What's Next for Russia's War in Ukraine?
There’s no endpoint in sight to a war that threatens widespread consequences.

As Russia's invasion of Ukraine drags on, and western aid for the underdogs grows, more people ask how far we are willing to go to defend another country and how much we're willing to risk. It's difficult to find somebody who doesn't sympathize with the Ukrainians, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't worry about the price of supporting a war against an autocratic regime that seems unconstrained by human decency and that commands not just tanks and troops, but nuclear weapons.
"Anyone concerned about the cost of supporting a Ukrainian victory should consider the much larger costs should Ukraine lose," Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) commented last week after a bipartisan majority approved $40 billion in additional assistance to Ukraine.
Behind his words were the concerns every politician has of being the next Neville Chamberlain, appeasing a dictator now at the price of a wider war in the future. That concern is sufficiently compelling among politicians that Congress approved and President Joe Biden signed legislation offering up a sum substantially larger than the $33 billion actually requested by the White House. But that enormous sum of money at a time of soaring national debt and rising inflation largely fueled the 11 votes against the bill from McConnell's own Republican ranks.
"Today we are faced with a vastly greater sum of money to be contributed or gifted to Ukraine," Sen. Rand Paul (R–Ky.), who voted against the measure, told the Senate after reciting a perhaps apocryphal story about Davy Crockett, in his years as a congressman, passing the hat rather than approving taxpayer money to support a military widow. "A noble cause, no doubt. A cause for which I share sympathy and support but a cause for which the Constitution does not sanction or approve of."
"Putting aside the constitutionality of gifting $40 billion to Ukraine, isn't there a more fiscally responsible way this could be done? What about taking the $40 billion from elsewhere in the budget? The US spends more on our military than the next 8 countries combined. Couldn't Congress simply shift over the $40 billion and not add it to the debt?" he added.
The public shares at least some of Paul's concerns about the cost of the war; while 42 percent told Pew Research in March that the U.S. was doing too little to support Ukraine, a plurality of 35 percent now says it's doing enough. To concerns about cost, add growing public worries about the war's endpoint.
"About half of Americans also say they are either extremely (24%) or very (26%) concerned about the possibility of U.S. and NATO support for Ukraine leading to a U.S. war with Russia, with about one-third also saying they are somewhat concerned about this," Pew notes. "Only about one-in-five (18%) say they are not too or not at all concerned about this."
Concerns about the war in Ukraine cross party lines and include commentators that usually support the Biden administration, which has firmly dedicated itself to supporting Kyiv.
"There are many questions that President Biden has yet to answer for the American public with regard to the continued involvement of the United States in this conflict," The New York Times editorialized May 19. "It is still not in America's best interest to plunge into an all-out war with Russia, even if a negotiated peace may require Ukraine to make some hard decisions. And the U.S. aims and strategy in this war have become harder to discern, as the parameters of the mission appear to have changed."
The Times previously committed itself to open-ended support for Ukraine, but is having some obvious second thoughts as administration officials warn that the fighting and carnage will drag on.
"We assess President Putin is preparing for a prolonged conflict in Ukraine during which he still intends to achieve goals beyond the Donbas," Director of National Intelligence Avril Haines told the Senate Armed Services Committee on May 10.
"Moreover, as both Russia and Ukraine believe they can continue to make progress militarily, we do not see a viable negotiating path forward, at least in the short term. The uncertain nature of the battle, which is developing into a war of attrition, combined with the reality that Putin faces a mismatch between his ambitions and Russia's current conventional military capabilities, likely means the next few months could see us moving along a more unpredictable and potentially escalatory trajectory."
Haines added that "Putin would probably only authorize the use of nuclear weapons if he perceived an existential threat to the Russian state or regime, but we will remain vigilant in monitoring every aspect of Russia's strategic nuclear forces."
Given that Russia's regime hasn't been shy about vowing military consequences up to and including nuclear annihilation for anybody who supports Ukraine or otherwise annoys Moscow, the word "probably" is doing a lot of work here. But other informed observers, including Tufts University's Daniel W. Drezner and Texas A&M University's Matthew Fuhrmann, agree that Russia is unlikely to follow through on its high-stakes tough talk.
Importantly, instead of cowing critics, Putin and company's threats drove Finland and Sweden to apply for NATO membership. They're not shy about their reasons for joining the military alliance.
"The Government's assessment is that NATO membership is the best way to protect Sweden's security in light of the fundamentally changed security environment following Russia's invasion of Ukraine," Swedish officials announced last week.
Even famously neutral Switzerland is drawing closer to NATO. Rather than intimidate its neighbors, Russia's regime in full frothing-at-the-mouth mode is frightening them to join together in self-defense. Who wants to be the politicians who meekly submitted their countries to the whims of the local bully?
Russia's imperial ambitions endanger the world beyond Europe, given the roles the aggressor and the aggrieved play in feeding a planet on which food was already rising in price and hunger spreading.
"Between them, Ukraine and Russia produce almost a third of the world's wheat and barley and half of its sunflower oil," UN Secretary-General António Guterres warned last week. "There is no effective solution to the food crisis without reintegrating Ukraine's food production, as well as the food and fertilizer produced by Russia and Belarus, into world markets — despite the war."
Reintegrate Ukraine's food production? On Russia's terms or Ukraine's? That question will be hashed out on the battlefield while the war in Ukraine chugs along with no end in sight. If anybody knows for sure where this conflict is headed, they aren't talking. The one thing we can be sure of is that we have good reason to be concerned about the months to come.
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Glory to the Banderites!
Glory to the Azov Battalion!
Glory to Ukraine!
“…an autocratic regime that seems unconstrained by human decency and that commands not just tanks and troops, but nuclear weapons.”
Ukraine has nukes?
I thought he meant the US.
No. They gave them up. They also converted the bioweapons labs into animal hospitals. Unless you believe all the Russian assets in our own DoD.
Trying to think of a national government with a strong military that is constrained by human decency...
Great point, Vernon.
Amen, Granite.
Glory to Russians who are willing to stand against their oppressor! Let's hope the next time is perfect:
Putin survived an assassination attempt after he invaded, Ukraine intelligence official says
https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-survived-attempt-on-his-life-ukraine-intelligence-official-2022-5
And another:
Russian diplomat to the UN QUITS over Putin's Ukraine invasion
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10845619/Russian-diplomat-Switzerland-says-resigns-Ukraine-invasion.html
At this rate, the last Putineer in Ukraine will be asked to piss on the fire and go.
>Business Insider
>Daily Mail
>Ukraine says
Next you'll tell me Ukraine is winning because they got more than 100k upvotes on Reddit
Upboat count doesn't matter. Unless they made the front page, of course.
Putin..."the big bully". I watched and read Putin, in translation, during the first week of the war. He demanded (1) international recognition for Crimea. (2) End the civil war in Donbas and Luhansk. Minsk 2 Agreement. (3) No NATO in Ukraine. Long understood to be unacceptable, a triggering event to Russia. The West didn't even say "maybe" to those grievances. We want war. We want to crush Putin. We want to destroy the backward East. Who's the bully.
The West crossed every redline that Russia had because they want this war.
The real question is why? Why fight a war against Russia. What is the endgame? Why pick a fight with the worlds biggest nuclear arsenal?
Maybe the plan is simply fewer of us? They have talked about it for decades.
NATO is a defensive alliance. If Putin had a problem with Ukraine joining it, it must be because he always intended to invade somewhere.
When your own U.N. Spokesmouth says you suck, that says way more than any InnerToobz poll.
Oh, and Makarov rounds from your own people do say a lot too.
It's the UN.
So? Russia's Spokesmouth still says Putin is making shit moves that hurt both Ukrainians and Russians alike.
See? Poor shots, just like Lolita Lebrón and the Symbionese Puerto Rican Liberation Army.
Dumb
Exactly!
The leftists in the USA who scream NAZI and FASCISTS at every opportunity cannot send actual, avowed NAZIs billions of untracked dollars and military weaponry fast enough.
The endgame for the war was the same as when Russia decided enough of the NAZI killing. It will end when the Donbas Republics are simply allowed to exists (as the people voted for by over 85%. I guess the West no longer believes in Democracy), when Crimea is recognized as a part of Russia, and probably when the entire Black Sea coast to Transnistria is also Russia.
And when the NAZIs are gone from places of influence, Ukraine declares itself a neutral nation, and hopefully America apologizes for overthrowing the elected government of Ukraine, siding with NAZi murderers and Oligarchs.
It's more likely to end when the Ukrainians retake the Donbas and Crimea. At that point they can apply for (and, given Russia's unprovoked invasion) will receive NATO membership. Thus making Putin responsible for expanding both NATO and their presence on Russia's border.
Russia is getting exactly what it deserves. Hopefully another 20,000 dead soldiers will make it impossible for them to surpess the truth from their people any longer. Ideally that would lead to a desire in the populace to no longer live under authoritarianism, but their history trends against that.
Here's something else very disturbing: Putin and the Putineers are making this about religion:
Putin hints at holy war in Ukraine with 'Anglo-Protestant' backing
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1614794/vladimir-putin-russia-president-holy-war-ukraine-anglo-protestant-backing-1614794
Nota Bene: During The Thirty Years War between Cqtholics and Protestants in Europe, 4.5 million to 8 million were annihilated, mostly civilians, men, elderly, women, and children, whole tracts of land rendered totally inarable, villages and towns destroyed and never rebuilt, all over the most nit-picky quarrels over where people go after their throats are slit.
I get a feeling that Jews and Atheists and other Non-Christians might not fare too well in such circumstances, then or now. And when people are motivated by faith, no common frame of reference required for peace is possible.
$58bn to prop up America's favorite money laundering nation.
So far Zelensky has destroyed Ukraine's democracy by literally making opposition illegal, confiscated opposition property and arresting dissenting journalists who dare say anything but "PutinManBad."
And they just lost Mariupol, so really that money ain't gonna cut it (if it was ever meant for other than defense contractor pockets - funny how Raytheon supports the people who support Ukraine.) The commander of the Azov battallion purportedly was among those surrendering, so it's going to be spicy when Russia finally gets a say on war crimes as well.
How about you just fuck off with your pro-russia bullshit, comrade.
Мы знаем кто вы.
Just ignore the trolls.
Schweinerchenko's counterattack with the Ukrainian Volkssturm will liberate Mariupol and retake Crimea!
Suddenly, shitlunches is a patriot.
He supports the Current Thing, like a good patriotic citizen would do.
For a product of Soviet manipulation of the 'intellectuals' and the academe in the West, it sure does have a thing for proxy wars against Russia.
Progs can’t be patriots. Only traitors.
Facts don’t care about your feelings, shitlunches.
You do realize Russia is socialist, right? That's your utopia, comrade.
And even though I think the best commie is a dead one, I still try to stick to reality rather than being wholly consumed by The Current Thing propoganda. You know, like the BS that Ukraine is winning or that our money was necessary to save their nation.
Pro Russia. Who is pro Russia? Those State Department functionaries in the US and their contemporaries across the world?
Those assholes went to Ukraine and made them stop peace discussions. Britain, Europe, America- they are happy to make Ukraine the battleground for our cold war with Russia. Mind you, many Ukrainian oligarchs have only themselves to thank for this. When this was just a cold war, they were happy to lobby the heights of superpower governments for money to counter the Russian threat. They were on the wall!
Well now they have figured out that they aren't on a wall. They are on the roof of their house, and the Russians brought artillery.
Want to know what benefits Russia? Time. They can churn day after day through Ukrainian people, until that land is as chewed up and spit out as Afghanistan. Their infrastructure isn't being destroyed. Their factories and financial hubs aren't being cut off. Ukraine is being destroyed. Every day, their institutions are being ground to nothing, and that (long term) benefits Russia.
Let's be clear: Even in the best case situation where Russia finally cries uncle and retreats back to its (newly conquered) borders, Ukraine will have paid the greatest price. Not Russia. Not by a long shot.
How bout you use your head for five minutes shitlunch.
Oh that won’t happen.
Why do you concider honesty in reporting to be pro Russia?
Ad hominem because he's actually right on all counts.
How about you and your NAZI brethren simply burn in hell and stop trying to take the rest of us with you?
It feels like just yesterday that we gave him our latest payment, and he's already begging us for more. And he'll get it for all the reasons you said. He has a blank check, so this is going to cost us a damn fortune. But hey, it's only our children's money, so who really gives a fuck, right?
Like everyone else, he probably has dirt on the Bidens.
Maybe the surrender at Mariupol was Zelenskyy's attempt to purge the Azov Batallion from his ranks while tying up,the Putineers with any problems the Azov Batallion will cause. If so, this is genius.
8D chess going on.
Hymns and homilies about "studying war no more" won't cut it. You gotta study it and think of new ways to win it with little or no fighting (on your part, at least) if you're going to come out on top against a more massive power.
Here's a better question: what's next for America's war in Ukraine? What payoff does our own autocratic regime expect for spending $40 billion dollars on that conflict?
Bernard-Henri Lévy and other liberal interventions will defend liberal democracy to the last Ukrainian. Next, America needs to put nuclear weapons in Finland and Ukraine to really piss Putler off and show the world how strong America is.
I think Sweden and Poland are better positioned to really kick off this WW3 shindig.
Are the Poles just dumb or something? They are tripping over themselves to suck hohol dick when the Ukrainians openly celebrate Stephan Bandera.
He was so good in Desperado.
"What payoff does our own autocratic regime expect for spending $40 billion dollars on that conflict?"
Germany promised increased military spending and to use US approved gas instead of cheaper and more convenient gas from Russia. The empire needs to drive a wedge between western Europe and the rest of Asia.
Lord Balfour pretended to believe America was joking when handed the bill for those WW1 war loans. With Allies like these, who needs enemies?
I'm glad globalism has avoided conflicts and all. Such a terrific trade-off.
For once Rand Paul makes a decent point. Take the millions from the defense budget and put it to Ukraine. The money is going to buy weapons from American manufacturers anyhow so why not?
Advocating for a neutral Ukraine that isn't a militarized de jure member of NATO would have been the best option and it would have saved a lot of lives too. But America's institutions have to spread liberal democracy, even if it gets a lot of innocent civilians killed. Who cares if a half million Iraqi children for so long as Iraq is a democracy was Madame Albright's philosophy and we're seeing a rehash of that now in Ukraine.
And really, a Democracy isn't as important as a serf-state that needs constant influx of money to stabilize politicians' finances...
Yes, let’s defend Ukraine, but not ourselves.
Don't forget Scandinavia and NATO. Cheaper for them to sponge cash and protection off of Kleptocracy politicians than to develop their own nuclear weapons and make the initiation of force not worth the bother. What did PT Barnum say about suckers lacking birth control?
Who invited the neocon? Shitlunch, you’ve got so much Zelenskyy propaganda pumped up your ass it’s backed up into your brain and now it’s coming out your mouth.
Even VOA would blush at shitforbrains blithely accepted commentary.
The Times previously committed itself to open-ended support for Ukraine, but is having some obvious second thoughts as administration officials warn that the fighting and carnage will drag on.
They were for the war before they were against the war. Or maybe they just realized that dumping big bags of cash on Hunter Biden and his buddies might not be the best way to ensure accountability for how the money is spent. Maybe they stopped believing all their own propaganda for just a minute there.
What's the current street value for cocaine? I think is was something like $80 per gram in 2008.
Bout the same I think. But who tf does cocaine anyways?
We Koch / Reason libertarians want the war to last as long as possible. Because a longer war will create more refugees, which means more cost-effective imported labor for our billionaire benefactor Charles Koch. (Fiona has written like a dozen articles explaining this.)
#WarIsGoodBecauseItCreatesRefugees
#CheapLaborAboveAll
If we just imported the entire population of Ukraine, the war would be over!
Imagine how many cheap laborers we'll get when the world's reserves of wheat run out in 10 weeks!
Estimates reached a 20m wave of migration, but I think we can do better. Europe will be humming with industry after those intrepid lads reach their shores!
Put that in the Democratic Party platform. They'll love it.
Don't forget the fact that libertarians support sex workers. Now, with millions of young Ukrainian women refugees, Yair Netanyahu can get his dick sucked for only 300 shekels.
#LibertariansForUkrainianSexWorkers
$40 billion...
What's the Big Guy's cut?
10% for Joe
10% for Jim
20% for Hunter
So $16B to the Bidens.
It's not Russia's war, it's the US proxy war with Russia. The Russian invasion is a shitshow that I would rather had not occurred, but to pretend that US forces, equipment and influence have not been central in the fighting is myopic at best.
The war in Ukraine is inconvenient for us here in America. It is affecting prices and the supply chain. Not a real lot to complain about for holding Putin's ambitions at bay.
I think the war will work down to a stalemate and when it is convenient Putin will pull his troops out. What is gained is Ukraine stays independent and the Russia army is worn down a little. Both good.
I say worth a little inconvenience.
What is it with leftists being totally cool with breaking a few million eggs-that-actually-are-living-people for the perfect breakfast?
Leftists are soulless and care nothing about human life, unless using lives as a prop to advance The Narrative. That’s why they HVE no probably with infanticide.
Trumpanzee sockpuppets fail the third-grade grammar test. Over at National Socialist Review illiterate girl-bulliers are welcomed with males-only hugs. Bye.
Ok, bye. Although I think you will be even less popular there. We will miss you here. Just like the way we miss Hihn.
Right wingers are ready to go to war with Venezuela, Iran, China, but are so reluctant to do anything that put them out of favor with Putin. What has Putin got that so many conservatives want to curry his favor. I can understand the ex-President who likely worry about his loans being called, but what about the rest of you.
It's really beginning to seem that all positions, both left and right, are based on politics and not reality.
My guess is that the right has gone soft on Russia in response to the left becoming fixated on hating Russia and blaming Russia for everything. It's the flip from when the right was adamantly against Russia and the left mocked the right for it.
Problem is so many in this country don't base positions on actual information and deduction, but rather base their positions on simplistic political tribalism.
Information and deduction? What kind of American would THAT be?
You have to start with a side and then garner some arguments and science a' la Lysenko and work you way back.
Right wingers are ready to go to war with Venezuela, Iran, China,
The far left's tactic of inventing facts sees full deployment yet again.
He seems to be part of the my truth trumps your facts crowd.
Thank you for directly addressing my comments with a reasoned rebuttal. This was enriching. I can see you are a person well-grounded in reality with impeccable listening skills.
Really? Who is calling for war with those countries?
Precisely who is talking about going to war with any of those countries right now? Also, you do understand that Russia has a huge stockpile of nuclear weapons, right?
Stop being such an ignorant fucking warmonger and try to use at dried up thing that passes for your brain.
Zelenskyy already evacuated all the Jewish Ukrainians to Israel. Why not send wave after wave of Goyim into the artillery fire in Donbas?
There are no real supply chain issues. The world won’t even notice ukraines lack of wheat exports - even in Africa. All that is propaganda and scare tactics. Sure they contrive a shortage though.
So, I recently heard a company executive point out that some of the oils in baby formula come from Ukraine. There is the wheat and the effects that sanctions are having on world oil prices.
What you evidence that there is no real shortages?
I think you're right on this inevitable outcome. The only concern that I have is the Us spending too much money that it doesn't have. But supporting Ukraine to get this thing to end in a stalemate situation is probably the best outcome we could hope for.
Yes, we want Russia to do what we did to ourselves for two decades in the desert.
I definitely hope the stalemate would come much sooner than that. Two decades of this type of war would be catastrophic for the country of Ukraine and would result in huge amounts of dead people.
That is a small price to pay for liberal interventionists to have liberal democracy in Ukraine. And by liberal democracy, I mean Pride parades, Drag queen story hour, and a monument to St. George Floyd.
I'm sure you'd be on The Flintstones float and have a Gay Old Time visiting. 🙂
Hey, Harv, it looks to me like Putin and Lukashenko are Globalist Entitled SJW Special Snowflakes, just like the Soros Davos Man crowd:
Vladamir Putin and Belarus President's Bizarre Letter Reveals 'New World Order'
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/vladimir-putin-and-belarus-presidents-bizarre-letter-reveals-new-world-order/3W3QBCJI7J5Z6WNZ5MKACBIWQI/
Putin wants a "New World Order" where his "security needs" requires an effort on the part of neighbors who haven't even expressed intent to harm him.
And Lukashenko wants global standards clamping down on "hate speech" and keeping media "from encouraging racism and discrimination based on national, cultural, linguistic and religious affiliation." Never mind that Lukashenko is assisting Putin in genocide against Ukrainians.
Six of one, half a dozen of another. Distinction without difference.
I say worth a little inconvenience.
So what if a bunch of people die?
"...worth a little inconvenience."
That has to be the most thoughtless and vain comment I've ever read here.
Pretty par for course from the faggots on the left here.
And by faggot, I mean a piece of dried wood nicely sized for fireplace or woodchipper.
At the risk of being mean...Burisma certainly earned their money back they paid Hunter. Ukraine is getting a LOT of money from us and, rest assured, their rich benefactor is doing well.
the Biden administration, which has firmly dedicated itself to supporting Kyiv.
I'm sure Kyiv has lots of information about Hunter's dealings.
And Pelosi and McConnell. Besides Burisma, Biden and Pelosi have kids in Metabiota (Ukrainian biotech company that collaborated with EcoHealth on the WuFlu), I forget where McConnell's spawn is suckling.
That editorial by the NYT was remarkably candid and on point. When the Biden admin is losing the NYT on the Ukraine situation, or more accurately, when the NYT and I agree, you know things are not going well for the establishment.
I was blown away by this passage:
That's the New York Times.
Biden's response to the Ukraine situation has been described right here in these comments as "Masterful" when it's been nothing of the sort.
I have been told in no uncertain terms that Russia was clearly "getting its ass kicked" in Ukraine and pay no attention to any information that suggested otherwise. The Western Media pushed this narrative and now suddenly over the last week, there's been a slow, plodding realization that it's not going as well for Ukraine as was previously thought.
But what about the Ghost of Kyiv?
What about the Martyrs of Snake Island who were resurrected by Zelenskyy?
"a slow, plodding realization that it's not going as well for Ukraine as was previously thought."
Irrational exuberance when Ukraine didn't fold like a cheap suit against Russian "military might" caused too many people to ignore that large parts of the country were being smashed to bits.
But, it would also seem that the Ukrainians were never blinded to the reality of what was happening and have only been hardened and emboldened.
Personally I think what happened is that it was the Brits, with no love lost for Russia ever and sensing a vacuum in the White House, who fed the Ukes the key intel that let them turn Putin's shock and awe into utter failure - especially the airborne operations at Hostomel. Biden's handlers were probably all too willing to let a Russian decapitation strike succeed, but when that failed in the first72 hours felt too hamstrung to do anything but fall in line supporting the opposition to the invasion.
Thus blundering into another quagmire with no means of victory and no exit strategy.
The threads are full of Mises/Russia trolls today aren't they.
Russia running out of soldiers kind of explains why "realists" are so pissed off that Russia failed to win months ago.
Everyone is a Russian.
The term for it is Tankies, people so deep into Communism and it's offshoot of Putin's Revanchist Eurasian Empire, that they justify tanks rolling over the innocent to achieve their goals.
Ukraine Update: The Tankies Think Everything--Even the Ukraine Invasion--Is America's Fault
https://www.dailykos.com/story/2022/5/18/2098657/-Ukraine-update-The-tankies-think-everything-even-the-Ukraine-invasion-is-America-s-fault
Thanks for the propaganda. I especially liked the framing of McConnell's comments as motivated by fear of being the next Neville Chamberlain rather than the at least equally likely explanation that he believed every word he said, while portraying Rand Paul as speaking from the heart. Yes, we get you're against doing anything while Putin violates every principle of international order on the one planet we share, as if there will be no consequences for letting just have whatever he wants. Next time, just say so and cut the pious shit.
I’m surprised a leftist pussy, such as yourself, has a such a throbbing little war boner for nuclear armageddon. Especially when you can’t even fight your way out of a wet paper sack.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Europeans are really good at luring altruistic suckers into deathtraps and cadging loans they never repay. Anyone that clueless is welcome to put down your books and pick up a gun and head Over There. Ukraine is not exactly the same as KGB Russia. Then again, the Dem half of the looter Kleptocracy ain't eggzactly the same as the Nationalsocialist half. The difference in both cases is in the hundredths place, not worth a vote, much less money down the toilet.
Is Bill Bennett the Joe Friday sockpuppet? When Milton Friedman suggested repealing laws calling for thugs to kick in doors, rob and shoot people and their dogs over the "wrong kind" of plant leaves, Dope Czar Bennet equivocated this into a call to "do nothing" to stop people from experiencing even that transient bit of harmless happiness. This was in 1989, after Dubya Waffen's asset-forfeiture and Gestapo murder tactics had totally wrecked the entire economy, handing the Dems 2 consecutive administrations. Brilliant work.
The monetary cost of supporting Ukraine is significant. That said, the costs of allowing Putin’s antics to go on unpunished will likely be much greater. Checking Hitler in the 1930’s would not have been cost free, however it would have been a lot less expensive that fighting World War 2 was. Remember World War 2?
Remember Vietnam? Same same.
Yes. In WW2 the nuclear side with the Second Amendment won.
Globalization is great until it’s not!
Reason falls lower and lower
I can't wait until Axis And Allies: Donbas is released
In Biden’s case it will be Axis and Allies: Dumbass.
+1 Points for style
If you really want to end the war, just start a rumor that Putin has damning information on the Clintons. He will either commit ‘suicide’ or have a horrible accident before you can say “reconstituted Soviet Union.”
Funny. BTW, yesterday I had lunch with a Russian friend, married to a Ukrainian, both Jewish. He said that Putin might as well be an American agent--his attempt to make Russia great again will probably lead to the downfall of Russian civilization. To put it mildly, the Russian brand has been tarnished.
There is no doubt our problem is in washington, not Ukraine, not Russia.
We'll be lucky if this war is over by Christmas.
Depends on how fast the Russians can run. Or swim, in the case of Crimea.
The day Ukraine adopts its own Second Amendment, learns the difference between vices and crimes and dedicates mebbe 5% of the vote to its own Libertarian party, it will be positioned to pass the Atlas Shrugged Amendment (no national laws against production and trade). With that, the way will be cleared to buy or develop its own nuclear weapons, like Taiwan, and thumb its nose at the KGB Czar's régime. Americans have 2 sayings: 1. Fool me thrice, shame on me! 2. No entangling alliances.
This survey is deliberately presented in a misleading fashion.
I am concerned about Putin pushing the button. But that doesn't temper my support for Ukraine one bit. In fact, it strengthens it - because if he is really that much of a despotic madman, any appeasement will just make the inevitable war that much worse, and if he isn't, we force him to back down.
The reality is that appeasing him has been a consistently terrible idea, and if you appease people with nukes when they try to invade and conquering neighboring countries, you basically defeat all attempts at nuclear deproliferation.
It's in the best interests of the US to completely wreck Russia in Ukraine, regardless of the consequences, because if Russia believes it can attack neighboring countries without consequence, World War III *IS* inevitable, and Russia will be in a better position for it. Moreover, the same applies to keeping China under control - if the PRC sees the West roll over on Ukraine, it is much more likely to attack Taiwan, and THAT will start World War III instead.
The reality is that the USSR and PRC should have been dismantled in the aftermath of World War II, and allowing them to exist and get nukes was the single worst two political decisions ever made - even worse than appeasing Adolf Hitler in the lead up to World War II, as nukes did not exist back then.
The real solution is to quietly work to dismantle any real attempt at MAD by these countries, until we can either push them to democracy or destroy them and rebuild them in a new way, like we did Nazi Germany and Japan.
There's no other good outcomes for the world in the long run.
This poster is mental and will get a lot of people killed.
A lot of people are already being killed. He goes too far, but he's right about Russia.
If we appease them, they will continue to invade neighbors. Ukraine is highly motivated, highly competent, and mightily pissed. As long as we keep feeding them modern weapons, Russian soldiers will continue to die and Russia's ability to threaten their neighbors will be reduced.
That is the the best outcome, since Russia has shown themselves to be vicious, immoral, violent, and evil.
"both Russia and Ukraine believe they can continue to make progress militarily..."
Yes, but one of those "beliefs" is based on demonstrated delusion, and the other on demonstrated ability and progress. Ukraine pushed the invaders out of Kiev, and then Kharkiv. Russia's ambitions have been shrinking as fast as they lose soldiers and vehicles. Not really sure how one can say that the war "drags on".
US support for Afghanistan against the Soviet Union did not bring nuclear Armageddon, but it did help bring down the USSR. The key differences here are that Ukraine is in Europe, and the US and UK have security obligations under the Budapest Memorandum, which Tucille failed to mention at all.
Rand Paul's budget concerns are valid, but it is unlikely that all $40B will be spent. The amount is a signal of commitment, and the Russian government will understand. Russian state media are already changing their tone.
In the Donbas Russia is reverting to the military style that they employed seventy years ago on the Eastern Front. It is slow and costly, but effective sort of meat grinder that they can feed better and longer than the Ukraine can.
Putin really has no other choice at this point.
Meanwhile the Ukraine lacks the sort of men, material, and experience to mount any sort of combined arms counter offensive that could alter the status quo.
The only thing they can do is continue to make Ivan pay dearly for every meter of advance and hope someone else comes to power in Moscow.
The global response basically comes down to paralyzing Russia's economy with sanctions and trade embargos. History tells us such efforts fail and or end up hurting the ones setting up the barrier. Napoleon's continental system (economic blockade on Britain) failed largely due to illicit trade from Russia.
Black market trades with Russia are all but inevitable. The EU will try desperately to keep members in line and charge them with punishing individuals who deal with Russia. That will cause more resentment and anxiety. This winter will not be kind to Europe. Russia is a giant piece of land and it's about to get bigger, there's no way you can punish it without depriving yourself of oil, grain, minerals, etc.
Self reliance is something that's scoffed by libertarians here, because it conflicts with their visions of globalized economy. But it doesn't have to be a either or situation. I think Europe is screwed, but most of that place is basically one big blue state. They probably won't be able to help themselves much less help us. We should be drilling for oil and growing more food as much as we can.
The financial sanctions combined with the massive losses in men and material will create a crisis for Russia. They are the only ones who can replace any material that is lost. The entire Western world is supplying Ukraine. Russia will run out of weapon systems before Ukraine does.
You may be right about personnel, but as long as there is a trained soldier to shoot it, there will be a modern weapon in their hands.
And the financial sanctions will have long-term effects. Right now they are selling their oil for pennies on the dollar because they have an extremely limited pool of buyers. Those contracts will outlast the war.
And their pool of future customers will be more limited than it was before the war because anyone who thinks about doing business with Russia will have the possibility of a sudden loss of product if Putin (or whichever autocratic strongman comes next) decides to randomly invade another neighbor in an unprovoked attack.
Russia was a tiny economy before the war. It will be almost irrelevant after it.
No one thought a pederast/misandrist/catholic junky fagot mafia, afghan pederast heroin cartel coverup would have any consequences?
Rly?
Rly?
Dubhhhhhhbbhhhhhh.
Pure schizophrenia
O'Biden could make another major mistake, he smells blood in the water but I believe he will exploit all the wrong methods....he wants to go into the Ukraine badly and wave the flag prematurely...The U's have to have the russkies on the ropes and in the position of making them pull out back into Russia and restore their borders of Ukraine....Joe thinks it's already time to go rebuild the American embassy because Putin is infirmed.....Making use of the unrest in Russia and creating the covert operations to support those people will be beneficial to the US for a long time to come if done correctly, keeping the world watching aggressive countries we oppose is a stanch focus for prevention of their acts to undermine inalienable rights and destroy free trade...Joe the bumbler, is a walking monkey wrench...
I just hope there will be no WW3 because it seems like everything leads to it, and it's horrible. It's insane, and the fact that only Putin can make everything over is driving me crazy. I like Russia a lot, it's indeed a beautiful country, and before this whole political situation, I even wanted to get a visa on https://www.russia-travel.com/visa-services/ and go there, but Putin ruined all my plans, and it's awful that now people are suffering just because he decided that he needed to have more power.