New York Times Columnist Gail Collins Proposes a 'Simple Battle' To 'Get Rid of the Guns'
It's not clear which guns she is talking about, and even Collins does not seem to know.

If we are "sick of massacres," says the headline over Gail Collins' latest New York Times column, we should "get rid of the guns." Which guns? Collins herself is not sure. Sometimes she seems to be talking about the rifles that politicians call "assault weapons." She refers a few times to "assault rifles" and mentions "the infamous semiautomatic AR-15." But she also talks about banning "semiautomatic rifles" and "semiautomatics" in general, which are much broader categories that include many other commonly used guns.
As long as they do not have military-style features such as a folding stock, a pistol grip, or a threaded barrel, semi-automatic rifles are not covered by state "assault weapon" laws. The bill aimed at reviving the federal ban that expired in 2004 explicitly exempts dozens of semi-automatic rifles by name, and it applies to handguns only if they have specified characteristics such as a threaded barrel, a second pistol grip, or a barrel shroud.
Collins does not seem to understand any of this, which is both surprising and typical. It is surprising because Collins has worked at the Times since 1995, oversaw the paper's editorial page for six years, and has frequently written about gun control. It is typical because Collins has repeatedly demonstrated that she is unfamiliar with the firearms she wants to ban and unwilling to think through the practical consequences of the policies she favors, both of which are common failings among gun control enthusiasts.
After the 2011 mass shooting in Tucson, Arizona, Collins expressed amazement at the idea that Americans have "a right to bear Glocks." She drew a distinction between the Glock 19 used by the Tucson shooter and "a regular pistol, the kind most Americans think of when they think of the right to bear arms." Unlike a "regular pistol," she explained, a Glock 19 "is extremely easy to fire over and over, and it can carry a 30-bullet clip."
Although Collins claims a Glock 19 is not "a regular pistol," it is one of the most popular handguns in the United States. And contrary to what she seems to think, all semi-automatic pistols fire at the same rate, and they typically accept magazines of various sizes.
In 2012, Collins described "assault weapons" as "guns that allow you to shoot off 100 bullets in a couple of minutes"—i.e., about one round per second. That description would cover any semi-automatic firearm with a detachable magazine, including "regular" pistols as well as many of the rifles specifically exempted from the proposed federal ban on "assault weapons."
Three years later, Collins averred that "assault weapons…seem to be the armament of choice for mass shootings." Not according to a recent National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, which found that 77 percent of the perpetrators used handguns. In the same column, Collins asserted that "semiautomatic weapons are totally inappropriate for either hunting or home defense," which would come as a surprise to the millions of Americans who use them for those purposes.
Collins continues her confusion in her latest column. She says Congress could "toughen background check laws" or "limit the sale of semiautomatics to people with hunting licenses"—a puzzling suggestion in light of Collins' insistence that "semiautomatic weapons" are "totally inappropriate" for hunting. But Collins thinks it would be better to "just get rid of them."
There are a few problems with that proposal. Given how Collins has defined the guns she wants to eliminate, her ban would apply to a host of firearms "in common use" for "lawful purposes," which the Supreme Court has said are covered by the Second Amendment. The forbidden firearms would include most handguns, which the Court described as "the quintessential self-defense weapon."
Maybe Collins, when she refers to "semiautomatics," actually means the guns covered by the proposed federal "assault weapon" ban. But just as she does not understand how that category is defined, she does not seem to realize that the bill would not "get rid of" those firearms. Like the expired 1994 ban, it would allow current owners to keep them.
There are sound pragmatic reasons for that grandfather clause. Based on production and import data from 1990 through 2016, the National Shooting Sports Foundation estimated that Americans owned more than 16 million guns that politicians would classify as "assault weapons." That number surely is even bigger now than it was six years ago. Even if legislators shared Collins' disregard for property rights, the Second Amendment, and the Fourth Amendment, any attempt to confiscate all those weapons would be a practical and political nightmare.
At the same time, the fact that maybe 20 million "assault weapons" would remain in circulation even if Congress renewed the ban means they would still be available to mass shooters who wanted them. And since the definition of "assault weapons" is based on functionally unimportant features (another point Collins overlooks), murderers would still have plenty of equally lethal alternatives even if all those guns disappeared tomorrow.
Unfazed by these considerations, Collins thinks it is obvious that Congress should ban "semiautomatics," "semiautomatic rifles," "assault rifles," or whatever. The important thing, she says, is to "think positive" and fight "a simple battle."
Collins does concede that "getting rid of assault rifles won't solve the gun problem as long as people in many states are allowed to own pistols and carry them when they stroll about the town." In reality, "getting rid of assault rifles"—whatever Collins thinks they are and however that would be accomplished—cannot reasonably be expected to have any meaningful impact on "the gun problem."
Leaving aside all the other problems with that plan, it would not affect the firearms that murderers (including mass shooters) overwhelmingly prefer. In 2019, according to the FBI's numbers, handguns accounted for more than 90 percent of the weapons used in gun homicides where the type of firearm was specified. Just 5 percent of those guns were rifles, only a subset of which would qualify as "assault weapons."
Since Collins is dismayed by the fact that Americans are "allowed to own pistols"(even the "regular" kind), it is not hard to imagine what she thinks the next step should be. A handgun ban would be not just flagrantly unconstitutional and politically impossible but also utterly impractical. In a country where civilians own more than 400 million firearms, with handguns being the most common kind, the idea is nothing but a fantasy.
The same could be said of pretty much everything that Collins says about gun control. She routinely substitutes emotion for logic, offers anecdotes instead of evidence, and makes wildly wrong factual assertions that could be corrected by a quick Google search. The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate.
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'Gail Collins' latest New York Times column, we should "get rid of the guns." '
Important but missed in this article is whether her statement includes guns owned or approved of by the state - which her comment implies.
Let her keep talking. This kind of soft headed, ignorant, progtard, gun grabbing talk is always electoral kryptonite for the democrats. It only appeals to faggots like Tony who are already in the tank for them.
SheReason routinely substitutes emotion for logic, offers anecdotes instead of evidence, and makes wildly wrong factual assertions that could be corrected by a quick Google search. The fact that their astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in aleading newspaper"libertarian" publication speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate.FTFY
Fixed it?
No you didn't, and you damned well know it.
BTFY or FTFY
FTFY - Fucked That For You
It is a bit tiresome seeing the people most passionate about creating new gun laws being impressively uneducated on gun laws in the first place.
The usual and moronic view about guns. PEOPLE and only people kill People. Also, the Mafia types kill with knives, so is this moron's view of guns.
It's amazing that a person who has been in the news business for that many years, and that had written numerous gun control in the past, would willingly remain so ignorant about the subject matter on which she is opining. A newspaper that would allow such a fact-free article to be published on their site, can't be trusted to provide truthful information on any subject.
Bird-cage liner or fish-wrap. I can't think of any more uses for the NYT.
...traing pads for puppies and kittens.
"training"
Kittens do not need to "train" to use litter. It is instinctive. It is one of their many superior qualities to dogs.
I beg to differ as the stray - Miss Kitty - I was 'awarded' by the consensus of the women at a 4th of July party, since Tigger had recently passed, needed a short course of instruction to get her act together.
As they get older, all cats eventually start pissing and shitting on the floor. Their "housebreaking" is inevitably temporary.
So does grandma.
And that's what puts Grandma in the nursing home. People will put up with doddering parents until they have to start cleaning up shit and changing diapers. That's where they draw the line with Grandma, but not with the cats.
I only use it for paper patching cast bullets I use for 38-55 loads in my Winchester 94.
It is common for liberals to strong opinions on matters of which they are completely ignorant. It maybe their most common defining characteristic.
Her hatred of the subject matter "guns" prevents her from learning her subject. It's all feels anyway, what to facts matter.
Her hatred of the subject matter "guns" prevents her from learning her subject.
There's a better explanation for why she doesn't learn the differences between guns. Why bother when you want to ban them all?
Ignorance of anything and everything to do with guns is a prerequisite for anti-gun rhetoric. If you knew the Constitution, the difference between an automatic weapon and a semi-automatic or how a lot fewer people would have died in the latest mass shooting if New Yorkers were allowed to arm themselves, the NYT wouldn't publish your work.
Gun controllers consider ignorance concerning guns to be a point of honor, so far as I can tell: If you actually know something about the topic you're tainted, and your opinion no longer matters.
So it's basically never possible to change their minds with facts. Just having the facts demonstrates to them that you're somebody they shouldn't listen to!
The best analogy I can come up with would be that they treat guns like some weird sexual perversion; Only the perverts know the details, so knowing the details, or getting the terminology right, identifies you as one of the perverts, automatically disqualified from having an opinion on the matter that anybody should listen to.
"It's amazing that a person who has been in the news business for that many years, and that had written numerous gun control in the past, would willingly remain so ignorant about the subject matter on which she is opining..."
Not to me; I know some 'journalists'.
Most journalists are idiots who majored in nothing ("journalism")..and have zero critical thinking skills. They default to "experts" who are the same folks as themselves..liberal art majors who are morons and think emotionally. These types who are well connected in the "right" groups are a threat to liberty. From the woke idiots running censorship at big tech, to hedge fund/wall street, to NGOs, the media, academia, and the political class. I'm sure this woman checked all the "right" boxes to work at the NYT. She needs to keep talking and get greater platforms..put her on NBC or 60 Minutes...the more we see of these nut jobs the better to defend against them.
Shredded, it makes good insulation.
For that matter, shredded, it makes about the same amount of sense as it did before being shredded.
Mind boggling,does not the NYT care anything about accuracy?
Google Jayson Blair.
To be fair, the NYT doesn’t consider the NYT to be actual news.
Nothing amazing about it sadly. This level of ignorance and bias is entirely the norm for the devotees of that in-group's faith.
If you are going to write about guns in the context of gun control you should at least make an attempt to know what you are talking about.
Yeah. Joe doesn't understand this either and thinks he dominated the conversation two days ago on guns.
Still butthurt from your struggle with the laws of physics I see soldier, not to mention your dispute with ER docs some of whom were Iraq/Afghanistan vets medic.
No one gets butthurt by your stupidness Joe.
The sad thing is I think he truly believes he is as smart as he thinks he is. Unfortunately, we're all quite aware of how large a delusion this is. Joe, we aren't laughing with you, we're laughing at you. Additionally, your understanding of basic of science is literally a condemnation of our public school system. There is no need to get butthurt by you imbecilic drivel. The only thing that hurts is watching you try to act like an authority on any subject more complicated than tying your shoes. It is anger, but frustration that no matter how we provide you information, even at the most introductory level, you simply appear incapable of learning anything. You are nothing more than a pretentious prat who is incapable of original thought or comprehension of anything but rudimentary mantras of the left. You add nothing of substance to a debate, but you are an amusing oaf. Trying to have an fact based and logical discussion with you, however, is simply quixotic. You are simply to jejune for empirical and deductive dialogue. That's why I muted you, you are are a boorish nincompoop with few actual redeemable qualities.
It won't listen to, or will refuse to accept this. It's the nature of a religious zealot to refuse to acknowledge facts and new information that would change their worldview. The far right does this, but for the zenith, it's the many factions of the 'left.'
I knew you were truly a fool when you gave the example of pumping the shotgun to scare off would be invaders. There are plenty examples online of that very thing not working. I suspect most of your gun knowledge comes from 80’s movies and the orderlies who work at your local hospital.
Your handle should be Bazooka Joe rather than Joe Friday, although you do come across as having a stick up your ass like the cinematic Joe Friday.
Why?
No really. What purpose does knowing what she's talking about serve? The final determination is a priori. She is starting with a desired policy objective and then working backwards to justify it. Her audience is largely ignorant about guns and already agrees with her conclusion so any factual foibles she makes will go unnoticed by most and any that are noticed will be ignored because they agree she "had the heart of it right". Her column isn't written for you.
Guns do not kill people. People kill people and guns are one of the tools that are used. Perhaps dialing down the rhetoric which enflames people, and reduce the media fame for people who commit killings? While I acknowledge that such steps are difficult and would require personal maturity I believe they would be far more effective.
I mean, guns sometimes kill people if they're manufactured wrong and explode, but that's it.
That sounds reasonable but the do something crowd isn't known for being reasonable. They want symbolism over substance no matter the cost - to someone else.
Would it make you feel better little girl if theys was pushed outta window?
Archie Bunker
Knives kill more people every year than ARs.
You got the numbers?
https://www.statista.com/statistics/195325/murder-victims-in-the-us-by-weapon-used/
The above link breaks down all murder victims by type of weapon, but lists all long guns under the generic "Rifle".
This link references an article by the FBI that specifically singles out "Knives", "Shotguns" and "Rifles".
https://www.westernjournal.com/fbi-stats-2020-saw-twice-many-people-killed-knives-shotguns-rifles-combined/
From the article:
-454 murders by rifle
-657 murders by fists and feet
-1732 murders by knives
noted separately it said that shotguns were the murder weapon in 203 cases separate from rifles.
Please excuse the serial replies but I wasn't able to put two links into one reply for some reason.
"Some reason" is actually one of Reason's anti-spam defenses. More than one link throws your comment into moderation, and since Reason doesn't actually moderate the comments, there's no way back out of that black hole.
Thank you for the info.
Now do race. That will make it obvious why the left focuses on rifles.
Guns don't kill people, people kill themselves, usually after agreeing to testify against the clintons
Three years later, Collins averred that "assault weapons…seem to be the armament of choice for mass shootings." Not according to a recent National Institute of Justice report on public mass shootings from 1966 through 2019, which found that 77 percent of the perpetrators used handguns.
Did you see that Joe Friday?
Stop spreading "misinformation". Those on the left are the only one's who speak "truth.
Well, yeah, the Brady Campaign was initially called "Handgun Control, Inc." before Jim and Sarah got involved. They switched their focus to AR-15s when they realized they could get more political traction by scaremongering about their looks and firing capabilities. The Assault Rifle Ban was a direct result of that shift in focus.
"the Brady Campaign was initially called 'Handgun Control, Inc.'"
As I recall, it was initially called the "National Coalition to Ban Handguns," before "HCI." "Million Mom March" was in there somewhere, too. And "Everytown for Gun Safety."
Ever notice that progressive organizations keep switching names when they become politically toxic, but the NRA has been the NRA since 1871?
The National Committee to Ban Handguns was originally the National Committee to Ban Firearms.
But it wasn't HCI, it was started about the same time with a different political demographic, but helped by the same Nixon Administration staffer (whose name I no longer remember).
You're probably thinking of Edwin O. Welles, who 'retired' from the CIA directly to heading up the newly formed National Council to Control Handguns, later renamed Handgun Control Inc. He also helped with the founding of the National Coalition to Ban Handguns, a nominally competing organization. The initial fundraisers for the movement were held in the home of William Colby, Nixon's CIA director.
The simplest explanation for all this is that the modern gun control movement was just an astroturf operation run out of the CIA, and begun in response to the Kennedy assassination.
As far as I can tell, all the existing anti-gun organizations are still astroturf. They all have self-perpetuating boards, rely on major foundations for funding, and the "membership" are just props to conceal what's going on. There's not a single one where the supposed membership are actually in the driver's seat.
Note that Jim Brady was actually pro-gun until he got the head wound. After that he was just a convenient sock puppet for his anti-gun wife. Kind of abusive, I think, taking advantage of your husband's brain damage to use them to advance a cause they opposed when they were mentally competent.
Gabby Gifford comes to mind as well.
The lesson: Never marry (or even date) an anti-gun chick or dude. Really, don't hang out with anyone anti-libertarian.
We discussed numerous times dipshit and I posted the data in agreement. The data is based on 4 or more killed in ono-criminal activity and goes back to 1976. There is no breakdown I've seen on the recent trend to use AR-15s in hsootings with many more deaths than 4.
PS I don't hide from the facts or the argument.
No, you’re just completely oblivious to them.
Can't we enact some common-sense newspaper columnist controls? Maybe annual logic tests?
Maybe just a disinformation governance board or such to stop such things from being published
They should have to get every column approved by the Mary Poppins of the Ministry of Truth.
Crazy eyes say they approve of things, but by the next morning have buyers regret and...well things just go down hill from there.
You rang?
At least a 5 day waiting period before publishing a new story.
One story per day. including print, web, social media, all platforms now known and any invented later on.
Full background check paid for by the applicant.
Minimum of two named, verifiable sources per story, not counting other media outlets.
The potato in the Oval Office has been telling us, as have the left-leaning crowd, that the rights afforded by the BoR have limitations -are not as written. So, perhaps a hefty fine, prison term, and public caning for 'journalists' who spread false information. 1A protections for the press not being absolute and all.
And Gail Collins works in a building protected by armed guards, and likely lives in a Manhattan apartment building similarly protected.
all semi-automatic pistols fire at the same rate
*Grimaces. Cricks neck. Lets it slide (mostly, peacefully).*
Well, technically, yeah: The rate at which you pull the trigger.
Nope. See below. Just because you can't pull the trigger faster than a given action doesn't mean nobody anywhere can't pull the trigger faster than any action. A revolver only has to rotate the next round (theoretically) .45 inches to chamber it and is ready to go the nanosecond the round leaves the case. An AR-15 pistol has to move the full 1.7 inches of the round and doesn't start cycling in earnest until the bullet gets to/passes the gas ports. The AR-15 makes up for it by using a lot more powder/speed.
While not a pistol, I'm fairly certain I, and lots of other people, can outrun the AA-12 on full auto.
TD;DR
Bitch is a dumb cunt.
Jesus Christ, did that bitch ever brush her teeth? I've seen coal miners that looked cleaner than those chompers.
And can you just imagine what it must smell like when she shambles along and the folds of fat shift? Probably something like rotten yeast.
This is also likely how Pedo Jeffy smells.
no advice from her until she goes to the dentist.
I think the best start of the debate would be for the anti-gunners to start a true gunless utopia. No guns for the police, military, or private security. Since they will have such strict gun laws, there will obviously be no gun violence. It is already working in Chicago, except for all the racist cops that haven't been fully defunded.
That is Britian. They now have a ban on assult knives. And then there was this guy:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10832699/Terrifying-moment-bow-arrow-killer-begins-rampage-killed-five-Norwegian-supermarket.html
Let's just outlaw being mean!
Remember the 'Mean People Suck' bumper stickers? Lefties are hysterical.
"Banning teh guns" is just a talking point. It's not meant to have any actual meaning. Thus it does not matter if the smartest people in the nation consistently display their ignorance on the matter. It's a shibboleth.
"Ban teh guns, gabba gabba, one of us, one of us"
With the next battery breakthrough, it's going to be lasers. Honestly kinda stoked!
Solid state batteries have been right around the corner for over 20 years now!
25 watt phased plasma pulse gun
People make fun of that, (25 watts is kind of pathetic if you're trying to do damage with a directed energy weapon.) but I figured it made sense if the thing was actually using a 25 watt isotopic battery to charge a supercapacitor array. The individual shots could be powerful enough, you'd just only have 25 watts would just dictate the speed at which the capacitors recharged.
I prefer something in the 40 watt range.
Will they outlaw Tomas Anthony swift and his electric rifel?
Working prototypes of gauss rifles are already on the market: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAHKS0nVlL4
Hopefully when they hit "play" on the Ministry of Truth she'll be the new Czar.
Remember, this is the paper where a resigning journalist wrote in her resignation letter: Going to work as a centrist at an American Newspaper should not require "bravery".
Bari Weiss rocks
Twitter is not on the masthead of The New York Times. But Twitter has become its ultimate editor. As the ethics and mores of that platform have become those of the paper, the paper itself has increasingly become a kind of performance space
https://www.bariweiss.com/resignation-letter
The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate.
The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of journalism.
New York Times Columnist Gail Collins Proposes a 'Simple Battle' To 'Get Rid of the Guns'
So she's advocating for civil war?
It appears so. Of course, the battle won't be so simple.
Simple enough that nobody will want to admit having started it.
But all the ones who did start it will be yammering to get it stopped once they realize the old paradigm of who's considered 'in the mix' changed when Bill Clinton - frustrated with Serbian intransigence in 1999 - came up with new rules of engagement when he added the political leadership, news media and the intellectual underpinnings of his enemy's war effort as valid targets.
She seems to fit right it at the Times.
Is this where we point out that a handgun with a second pistol grip is an NFA firearm known as an AOW (any other weapon) and is required to be registered as such?
Not that any convicted felon would be required to register it since registering it would result in self incrimination and violate the 5th Amendment. Funny how the "we need a registry!" crown conveniently forgets that part.
Ha! We know they didn't forget, they're happy to just toss the 5th on the fire with the rest of the Constitution.
crown? no crowd. I know, 'd' isn't even near 'n' on the keyboard. I blame the chianti.
Were there fava beans?
factual assertions that could be corrected by a quick Google search.
Google will be fixing that soon.
"factual assertions that could be corrected by a quick
GoogleDuckDuckGo search.Google will be fixing that as well.
"The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate."
And the state of "leading newspapers."
Bleating newspapers.
Not just newspapers but journalists in general.
Is she going to be in the stack? Or does she expect better men than her to do the dirty work?
Did they edit out the part where she announced she was retiring from the newspaper to head up the first squad that would be going door to door to confiscate guns? Oh, and where she was taking scuba lessons so she could dive for all those guns lost in boating accidents?
I live along the "Muddy Muskingum" River in SE Ohio. I've been theorizing that the color of the water isn't from mud at all, just rust from all of the lost firearms on the river bed.
Suggesting that Ms. Collins is confused about guns is an astonishingly generous take. Her writing is confused not because of her ignorance, but because an honest, forthright statement of her position -- ban all private guns -- is a political nonstarter. Even at the height of their political success, the gun-grabbers found it necessary to claim that they wouldn't touch the guns of "hunters and sportsmen", and it's been at least three decades since that height.
Maybe she meant banning the handguns cops use to kill dogs, children, blacks and elders at the wrong address on no-knock prohibitionist raids. That would eliminate practically all of the initiation of force ordered by looter politicians who lose sleep over their nagging fear that someone, somewhere, might be happy.
“The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate.”
What debate are you talking about?
If she is so concerned about rate of fire, she should look up a quaint British Army tradition know as the "mad minute". Which involves AIMED fire with a bolt action rifle that has a fixed 10 round magazine. (only hits count) (and you have to start with only 5 rounds loaded)
The first Mad Minute record was set by Sergeant Major Jesse Wallingford in 1908, scoring 36 hits on a 48-inch target at 300 yards (4.5 mils/ 15.3 moa).
Looks like bolt action rifles have to go as well.
Of course, if she were actually a journalist, interested in truth, she would admit the goal is repeal of the second amendment; because nothing else will work.
Bob Munden, in 1966 using an Colt SAA (the Peacemaker originally designed in 1873), could shoot 22-21-20-21-22 on 18" balloons at 8 ft. SAA being short for Single-Action Army, single-action meaning Bob had to pull the hammer back each time. That's just shy of 5 shots in less than a second with a gun designed in 1873.
In 1995 he hit a 14"x24" target four straight times at 200 yds. using the iron sights on a S&W model 60 (double-action) with a 2" barrel.
It's not the gun, it's the man. How far back into history do we reach to get the rate of fire we want?
Grr... That's just shy of 5 shots in
less thana second with a gun designed in 1873.It seems like Sullum is missing the obvious. When someone says they want to get rid of "the guns" without specifying a subset they mean all guns. Sullum is so used to left wingers denying this is their goal (even though it is) he seems to assert it for them. Learn to recognize the admission.
Maybe we should get rid of newspapers too.
And while we're at it, let's remove all money from banks to ensure no more bank robberies occur!
Is it me, or does she look like a dude? I thought I saw an Adams apple.
I thought I saw an Adams apple.
Adam's apple, nth chin, turkey gobble... you don't autopsy the corpse when you can plainly see why it died.
If we're sick of massacres we'd make the law that every adult be armed at all times.
I can't think of a simpler battle than pistols at dawn on the mall.
Malls are dying in America, thanks to Covid, Amazon and Walmart. But if you introduce gun duels at dawn....yea they're probably still going to die.
Remember when the Duranty News cared enough to try to hire people who could pretend to make a cogent argument for their lefturd agenda?
-jcr
Gail's not confused - semi-automatic compact rifles with high capacity magazines that fire high velocity rounds are designed to efficiently kill humans, not deer and should be outlawed. The gun nuts - proven here to not understand the reason why high velocity rounds destroy human tissue and organs beyond repair and what that means in the ER - are also confused about the damage their fixation on playing cops and robbers and army man - yeah, I loved that when I was a kid - helps create in our country.
Oh, there's the fucking lefty ignoramus Joe Asshole!
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, lefty asshole!
You and most of the posters here are only capable of insults Sevo, and not very good ones at that. The best include mocking humor. Your preference for scatalogical stream of consciousness is self mocking and suggests your early toilet training did not go well.
Most of us don’t insult each other. This is reserved for lying Marxists, such as yourself, Jeffy, Buttplug, etc.. You have it coming, and if anything, we’re way too nice to you. Really, considering your bullshit here, you’ve been coddled.
Maybe you should try thanking us for this unearned kindness.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults.
Not a one of his posts is worth refuting; like turd he lies and never does anything other than lie. If something in one of Joe Asshole’s posts is not a lie, it is there by mistake. Joe Asshole lies; it's what he does.
Joe Asshole is a psychopathic liar; he is too stupid to recognize the fact, but everybody knows it. You might just as well attempt to reason with or correct a random handful of mud as engage Joe Asshole.
Do not engage Joe Asshole; simply reply with insults; Joe Asshole deserves nothing other.
Eat shit and die, Joe Asshole
"...The gun nuts - proven here to not understand the reason why high velocity rounds destroy human tissue and organs beyond repair and what that means in the ER - are also confused about the damage their fixation on playing cops and robbers and army man - yeah, I loved that when I was a kid - helps create in our country."
Notice Joe Asshole fixates on his juvenile fantasies, as Swalwell focused on his 4YO kids concerns to justify his idiocy.
Eat shit and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
"Gail's not confused..."
Joe Asshole is confused.
Eat shit and die, pile of lying lefty shit.
Knives kill far more than rifles. Citations available upon request.
They must be small high velocity knives.
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So do blunt objects. and hands and feet.
Yes, apparently we are supposed to ban the firearm with the same manual arms, ammunition, etc as our military has used for their main battle rifle, for 60 years now, from use by the civilian militia, based on your fears. Have you ever read the 2nd Amdt? In particular, it’s precatory Militia Clause? Tens of millions of veterans, almost all of those who are still alive, learned this manual of arms.
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Tell Joe Asshole to eat shit and die. Any of you who have not be muted by Joe Asshole deserve what you get; the rantings of a slimy piece of lefty shit.
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You're not in a militia Bruce - it's archaic. If you were, it would be subject to congressional and presidential control, including training. Read the rest of the constitution.
Nope, you really don’t understand what you’re talking about. This has been explained many times here. So just stop.
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Fuck off, slaver.
That is the appropriate response.
That's generally what you need when you want to defend yourself against people who want to do you harm.
So on what grounds do you oppose that?
Get a shotgun.
Joe Friday the suck up to senile pedos
Suck up? Or sucks off?
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Eat shit and die, Joe Asshole.
All centerfire rifle rounds are high velocity. That's why they are used for hunting. More energy on target to kill the animal. That's why, what you call, semi-automatic compact rifles are used to hunt game.
Pete, short barrel rifles lack accuracy for deer hunting and the large magazine and semi-automatic operation are in turn superfluous and overkill.
You just claimed that the M16 (identical to the AR-15 except for the trigger group) lacks accuracy for deer hunting, but is accurate enough for the military? Never mind that in my state most deer are shot at under 100 feet, where any rifle is as accurate as the shooter, because with all the brush you can't see to identify the target at any longer range.
And you also claim that the 5.56mm/.223 caliber round is especially deadly, but this round is banned from deer hunting in my state not because of inaccuracy, but because deer shot with it could run away and get lost in the woods too often.
YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.
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Most all guns can efficiently kill humans. And that's good because some humans need killing, and that right quick.
That you don't like that merely tells people that you have murderous fantasies that you can't make reality because people have ways to stop you.
I’m always prepared in case deranged democrats try to come into my home uninvited. I say ‘democrats’ as they represent over 99% of violent criminals.
designed to efficiently kill humans, not deer and should be outlawed.
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with hunting. But you know that.
Fuck off, slaver. I live in a state where it's occasionally necessary to defend one's home or business with efficient, high-capacity firearms.
-jcr
All of them, except for her private security detail.
let's put aside the "second amendment". Those are words on a piece of paper. Obssess over them if you want, i don't.
People don't need guns in their daily life in a civilized society.
The only 2 places where i might see an exception
1/ Hunting (with dedicated hunting rifles, and hunting permits. And no, you don't hunt with an AR15)
2/ recreational shooting. For this i would suggest that it would be limited to handguns, stored in safe boxes away from their munitions and with a double key , one for owner, one for gun range owner.
Any and every other gun should be taken away and that's it.
"Any and every other gun should be taken away and that's it."
Which pretty much requires door-to-door, no-knock, no warrant, SWAT-style searches, everywhere.
What could possibly go wrong?
Nobody asked you, and you clearly are too ignorant to have a viable opinion.
Relevant to your first thought, people hunt coyotes and feral hogs with AR-15s (probably AR-10s as well for the hogs) all the time, and ranchers use Mini-14 rifles which are functionally very similar to the AR-15 (similar rate of fire and barrel length using the same ammo with a slightly different shape of detachable magazine) to control various pests.
The only reason that the AR-15 isn't a practical gun for hunting deer is that it's not a powerful enough weapon to take down the larger species without perfect shot placement (bolt-action rifles are often more accurate at longer ranges as well). The fact that deer will scatter on the first shot makes a rifle semi-automatic action not super useful, but it's also not detrimental to the task. If a deer hunter were to be attacked by a larger predator (bear, mountain lion, wolf), the semi-auto vs bolt action could actually be a life-saving feature; I'd rather have an AR-10 or M1A in that situation than an AR-15 (again for the more powerful ammunition).
As for point 2, keeping range guns in lockers at the range could reduce accidents in homes (which aren't all that frequent anyway, and could almost as easily happen while cleaning a gun at a range), but would only affect guns owned by those interested in compliance.
An analog to the world you're imagining would be if we had a law limiting opioid pain killers to only be distributed by licensed and trained pharmacists (maybe also requiring an order from a licensed doctor?) and prohibiting street distribution of "controlled substances", a "civilized society" could almost entirely eliminate drug overdoses. The difference being, we have all those laws, and we also just finished a year where drug overdoses outnumbered gun homicides by a factor of about 6 to 1.
If you're willing to imagine it's all happening in a world fundamentally different from the one that exists, there's virtually no end to the number of problems that could be wished away with ideological "solutions".
I, too, want to go back to the strong taking whatever they want from the weak.
"Any and every other gun should be taken away and that's it."
No, your move pissant.
Leonremi: Since you didn't make an exception for police to have guns, you must want to return to the Medieval Age, when there were no guns, and the world was ruled by the physically strong and vicious.
Or perhaps you just forgot and you want the government to have a monopoly on guns. This means you favor totalitarianism of one flavor or another - either Fascism or Communism, both of which murdered tens of millions.
Feudal cultures universally prohibit the serfs from owning weapons.
let's put aside the "second amendment".
There is a prescribed procedure for amending the Constitution. You get started on that and let us know how it goes.
"let's put aside the "second amendment". Those are words on a piece of paper. Obssess over them if you want, i don't."
East shit and die, lefty asshole.
People don't need guns in their daily life in a civilized society.
What an idiotic claim. Shit happens, and when it does, it's better to be prepared than unprepared.
Maybe you've never been burgled or carjacked, but other people have, and it's their right to resist with deadly force.
Any and every other gun should be taken away and that's it.
μολὼν λαβέ, motherfucker.
-jcr
Leonremi,
Do you deny that there are rapists?
A woman with a revolver can defend herself against 6 rapists.
is it better she be raped, and possibly killed?
Nothing with a vagina should question the rights of men. When hoe bag does her trench time on the western front, maybe then she would have a place to question the society that sheltered her.
If she never looked down a barrel she should have no place to say what should be in one.
Which end?
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Almost all Americans have not done time on the western front - or any other front except in their imagination. I did that kind of time but grew out of it about the time I noticed those other kids with vaginas.
Crawl back under your rock and leave everything teal American men. You’re just a democrat soyboy. Not even American.
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Oh, so you fought in WW2 then?
Edith Bunker should stay in her lane.
That's interesting because there has never been a bigger need for guns than right now in every major city in the USA, and for the rest of the world as well.
Not that I'm in favor of it, but banning semiautomatic weapons would be the only thing that would actually make a dent in fatalities.
No, it wouldn't
Anyone can carry two 6 or 7 shot revolvers. That equals 12 to 14 rounds downrange and speed loaders make reloading easy.
Now consider shotguns.
But back to 'banning'.
Whatchagonnado? Confiscate them? Riiiight.
There's likely over 300 MILLION semiauto firearms 'in the wild' here in the U.S.
The gun isn't the problem. The person bent on mayhem is.
Democrats are the problem.
Prove it.
We citizens have a bad habit as a group of putting idiots in position of power. They are smart enough get money and make some tv commercials attacking someone else and then get elected. The we learn the truth later as they vomit about stuff about how to fix items and situations they have absolutely no understanding about. Might as well have roto-rooter do bypass surgeries based on her vision and understanding. 🙁
At least she’s not one of those nincompoops who claim that MORE guns are a good thing.
Gund-hating nincompoop heard from.
Eat shit and die.
Clueless old lady blathers on about a topic she doesn't understand.
"The fact that her astonishing sloppiness and magical thinking pass for policy analysis in a leading newspaper speaks volumes about the state of the gun control debate."
I think it says more about the New York Times.
Anyone who cared about accuracy in news reporting stopped reading the NYT after Jayson Blair.
What’s better, though?
Morons who cannot identify a BCG, describe it's function, and list it's components and proper lubrication, have no business telling me about 'assault rifles'
Where oh where I wonder does the lady garner the misinformation she wallows in strikes me as a most cogent question.
Just a typical gun control fanatic. Ignorant as hell ... and damned proud of it.
There are sensible solutions that will have an meaningful impact on "the gun problem".
One is to continue to restore the Second Amendment to a "first class" right. Hopefully we will see progress on this within a few weeks in the form of the majority opinion in the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association case before the Supreme Court.
Another is to purge Democrats from California politics (that, though, I'm much less hopeful of happening - esp. before I flee California) and eliminate stupid laws such as those that require a background check to buy ammunition or ban weapons for cosmetic reasons (if this ban isn't rescinded, it should at least be applied more generally to, for example, politicians - although the House would then be short a Speaker).
Another is to completely eliminate insulate manufacturers of firearms from lawsuits related to the unlawful use of their products.
There are a lot of "gun problems", unfortunately Ms. Collins and her ilk appear not to understand the most pressing ones.