Randy Weaver Dies
In the infamous Ruby Ridge standoff, federal agents killed his wife and son.

Randy Weaver died Wednesday, just three months shy of what would have been the 30th anniversary of the 1992 standoff that thrust him into the national spotlight. He was 74.
Born in Iowa in 1948, Weaver enlisted in the Army at age 20, near the onset of the Vietnam War. He was sent to Fort Bragg, North Carolina, where he became a Green Beret, but he was never sent overseas. While he was home on leave in 1970, he reconnected with an old girlfriend, Vicki Jordison, whom he would marry the following year, after leaving the military.
Randy and Vicki had each been raised religious, but together they grew more radical. By the early 1980s, they were speaking of the endtimes, warning that the government would soon be trying to kill all Christians, and exhorting friends and family to move off the grid to escape the coming dictatorship. In 1983, the Weavers did just that. The family, which at that point included children Sara, Samuel, and Rachel, left behind a comfortable suburban life to build a modest cabin on a bluff in the northern Idaho panhandle about 40 miles south of the Canadian border. The bluff was called Ruby Ridge.
By the time they got to Idaho, the Weavers' beliefs meshed with those of the racist Christian Identity movement. During the 1980s, Randy showed up at some meetings of the white supremacist Aryan Nations organization, and at one of these meetings he met and became friends with "Gus Magisano," a motorcyclist and gun trafficker. "Gus" was actually Kenneth Fadeley, an informant for the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (BATF). By Weaver's telling, Fadeley repeatedly pressured him to illegally saw down two shotgun barrels; after initially refusing, Weaver, hard up for cash, acquiesced. (Fadeley would later claim at trial that Weaver had approached him.)
When Weaver was arrested, the government offered to drop the weapons charges if he would become an informant against the Aryan Nations. Weaver refused, posted bail, and holed up in the cabin. For the next 16 months, BATF agents watched the Weavers' home, with video surveillance, sniper postings, and more.
Early in the morning on August 21, 1992, three deputy U.S. marshals came onto the property in full camouflage, armed with M-16s. Sam Weaver, then 14, was hunting with Kevin Harris, a friend of the family whom Randy had taken in, when Sam's dog Striker took off after the marshals; Sam and Kevin, thinking he was chasing a deer, ran after. What happened next is in dispute, but Striker, Sam, and one of the marshals, William Degan, were killed in the ensuing encounter.
In the aftermath, the FBI took over, bringing in its elite Hostage Rescue Team. In the process, the agency severely softened its "rules of engagement" to what a congressional inquiry would later characterize as "virtual shoot-on-sight orders." With these rules in place, an FBI sniper opened fire as Randy was entering the cabin. The shot missed Randy and struck Vicki as she was holding their newest daughter, 10-month-old Elisheba. Vicki was killed instantly.
An 11-day standoff followed. After he surrendered, Randy was arrested and tried on 10 counts, including the murder of Degan, but he was acquitted of all but two minor offenses related to the original weapons charge. Subsequent congressional inquiries were scathing, reporting that the government had violated the Weavers' constitutional rights and finding "numerous shortcomings" and "inadequacies" in the government's response.
Any civil libertarian hopeful that this incident would spur meaningful changes in how the government dealt with fringe groups would have their hopes dashed in short order. In February 1993, weeks into President Bill Clinton's administration and barely six months after Randy Weaver's surrender, the BATF descended upon a compound in Waco, Texas, occupied by a religious group called the Branch Davidians. What was supposed to be a quick raid instead became a disastrous 51-day standoff; it ended with a fire that killed 80 Branch Davidians, including 21 children.
The years since have not been banner years for law enforcement either. Even before 9/11, the federal surveillance state was expanding rapidly. During Barack Obama's presidency, "fusion centers," combining federal and state law enforcement resources, kept tabs on all manner of groups as possible terrorists. Just last month, a much-vaunted prosecution of a militia for trying to kidnap Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer fell apart when it came out that the militia members pushing the plan most fervently were FBI informants.
Did the Weavers harbor objectionable beliefs? Sure. (After Randy's initial arrest, Vicki sent the U.S. attorney a letter quoting Robert Mathews, the leader of racist terrorist group The Order.) But there is a big difference between thinking despicable thoughts and carrying out despicable acts. Again and again, key moments of the Weavers' story were catalyzed by government actions: the possible entrapment over a minor gun charge, the deployment of armed U.S. marshals to their property, the haphazard rules of engagement that led directly to Vicki Weaver's death. We don't remember Randy Weaver's name 30 years later because of the things he believed. We know it because he was the victim of an overreaching federal government that can be every bit as dangerous as the groups it was trying to stop.
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Randy Weaver dying is the news of the day? Huh. This is the first time I'm even hearing his name in decades.
Oh well, whatever. The stuff that people around here think is worth talking about and isn't worth talking about never ceased to amaze.
While I agree with your general statement, Randy is a local legend.
*Pouring one out.
He was a victim of government overreach, and that is the alleged "theme" of this site.
Glad that was decades ago and we currently Dont have to worry about an over zealous fbi
"Over zealous"? I think you misspelled "criminal".
It's only criminal if it's prosecuted. What happened to those FBI agents?
Anecdotally, from a co-worker, one of the bolt gun shooters developed a severe drinking problem after that raid. To be expected, I suspect. One can rationalize a lot of bs, but unless one is a complete piece of shit, being a part of a mission like that would make one question one's worth.
Involved authorities/edit
FBI- Feral Bureau of Instigation
Hard to believe nobody's ever responded to your numerous posts on Weaver and Ruby Ridge.
Regardless - as Idaho Bob points out below - that was a seminal event for some in this country, and it deserves remembrance.
Of course it was horrible what happened. Butch lesbian Janet Reno was absolutely one of the most evil government officials we've ever had.
Note of course that Reason's "obituary" about Weaver naturally has to go out of its way to talk about what a "bad" person Weaver was, apparently mostly because he was a white rural Christian who owned guns and didn't want to live around a lot of inner city minorities. For most government/media lefties, this is one of the worst crimes a white guy can commit, one that deserves to get him and your family murdered. Reason (to their credit) is obviously trying hard to be at least a little more sympathetic than that, but I'm just really not buying that they're all broken about it either.
"obituary"
Yeah, turn about being fair play I can only hope that when, after the FBI shoots Joe's wife and he dies some 30 yrs. later, he's remembered as a radical, fundamentalist progressive bigot. No animus against Joe or his wife, thems the rules and he dealt the cards.
Butch lesbian Janet Reno was absolutely one of the most evil government officials we've ever had.
Janet Reno wasn't in office. President George Herbert Walker Bush's AG was William P. "Bill" Barr during the Ruby Ridge "standoff".
Waco was cocked up during the Bush years too.
The entirety of the Waco siege and massacre took place under Clinton.
It began while Clinton was looking for an Attorney General - a search that was greatly extended as he'd only look at female candidates, and it turned out that most of the Democrat high-profile female lawyers had hired illegal aliens as nannies. (He finally chose Janet Reno, who was childless - never mind a record that appeared pretty evil.) So hold-overs from the Bush 41 administration were still running the ATF when they planned and botched their first raid. When Reno finally took over, federal agents were already shot dead, and her options were pretty limited. (Partly because she lacked the integrity or the imagination to investigate the ATF officials. Apparently they falsified the search warrant application to get permission to _begin_ by trespassing at night and shooting the compound's dogs.)
Furthermore, Bush and his AG had done nothing to reform the ATF or FBI after the Weaver fuck-ups. Len Horiuchi, the sniper that killed Vicky Weaver, was also sniping during the Waco siege. Apparently the FBI lied to Reno about this, as well as their use of incendiary tear gas rockets...
More proof the government has become as evil as any other .
If only enough brave courageous conservatives and libertarians could be elected to congress, who would pass legislation to totally defund the FBI.
Close it down. Use the building to house homeless veterans.
Of course the building would have to be thoroughly cleaned and fumigated.
Reagan had reformed the BATF, reportedly he'd considered actually abolishing it, only to find that the other federal police agencies would refuse to take BATF agents. So the agency remained as a sort of quarantine zone for them.
Bush had actually anti-reformed the BATF, which is why you ended up with the Weaver fuck-up. The people responsible had been promoted, not fired. I think helping the Bushes reach the White House was probably Reagan's biggest mistake of all time.
Reno was not entirely innocent when it came to Waco, though it was planned on Bush's watch. She had a real obsession about child abuse, and a horrific track record of persecutions in that area, so she was easily manipulated. All the feds had to do was suggest the Davidians were abusing their children, (There wasn't any evidence of it.) and she was prepared to slaughter them.
When a black coworker at the John Deere plant was laid off, Weaver let him sleep on his couch and have meals with Weaver's family until he found a new job. That was the kind of racial separatist Weaver was. Willing to live and let live.
Really shaped my future political outlook. Was a sophomore in high school. Grew up in North Idaho, my family helped settle the Bonners Ferry area. Ruby Ridge and later Waco really woke me and others in the area up to how out of control some of our government had become.
Government overreach that results in death versus the hyperventilating lunacy re 'literally dying' because words are violence. I'll take more stories about the former. On that, I had heard, and I don't know the sources, that a court clerk sent a letter changing Weaver's court appearance. The letter was an error, the date was not changed, which set off the entire shitstorm resulting in his wife being shot. Neither here nor there at this point given the lack of accountability, I suppose, but par for the course if it is the case.
From the DOJ OPR report on Ruby Ridge
[cnb: my notes]
January 17, 1991
BATF agents, posing as stranded motorists, arrest Weaver on weapons charge. Weaver tells the arresting agents, "nice trick; you’ll never do that again."
January 18, 1991
Weaver arraigned before U.S. Magistrate Judge Stephen M. Ayers in Couer d’Alene, Idaho. Judge Ayers appoints Everett Hofmeister as counsel for Weaver, releases Weaver on a $10,000 Personal
Recognizance Bond and directs Weaver to appear at U.S. District
Court for trial on February 19, 1991.
January 22, 1991
Weaver calls Karl Richins pursuant to the terms of his condition of release.
February 5, 1991
U.S. District Court Clerk in Boise, Idaho, sends a notice to the parties that the trial date has been changed to February 20, 1991.
[cnb: 19 Feb was a federal holiday.]
February 7, 1991
The U.S. Attorney’s office in Boise, Idaho receives two letters from Vicki Weaver dated January 22, 1991 and February 3, 1991 and addressed to "the Queen of Babylon." Because the letters appeared to contain veiled threats they are provided to the Boise office of the (cut off....)
February 7, 1991
U.S. Probation Officer Karl Richins sends Randy Weaver a letter requesting Weaver to contact him and then erroneously refers to the trial date as March 20, 1991 rather than the correct date of February 20, 1991.
February 20, 1991
Weaver does not appear for trial on either February 19 or February 20 and Chief U.S. District Court Judge Harold Ryan issues a bench warrant for Weaver.
March 5, 1991
Deputy U.S. Marshals Hunt and Mays initiate contacts with Bill and Judy Grider, who are friends of the Weavers. The Griders give the marshals a letter signed by the Weaver family saying "we will not obey your lawless government."
March 14, 1991
A federal grand jury in the District of Idaho indicts Weaver for failure to appear.
[cnb: The prosecutor was afraid the judge would dismiss the bench warrant.]
March 18, 1991
Chief Deputy U.S. Marshal Ron Evans, District of Idaho, provides
Marshals Service Headquarters with analysis of Weaver situation
and requests assistance from the Marshals Service’s Special
Operations Group ("SOG").
[cnb: If Weaver had dared to show up in court 20 Mar with the letter giving him the 20 Mar date, the Judge was willing to drop his bench warrant, but that would not have undone the prosecutor's 14 Mar grand jury indictment.]
By the by, this made the front page of my local rag, because racism.
Oh, and there were at least two Trump stories on the front page, so there's that.
What is most worthy of the attention of all of us are the words of Randy Weaver's Attorney:
Gerry Spence On Why He Agreed To Defend Randy Weaver
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/weaver/spenceletter.html
Weaver was introduce to Nazi groups by the FBI so he could meet another FBI informant there who would go on to convince Weaver into cutting one gun too short. the whole shit stain is on the FBI just like the Michigan governor kidnap plot and many other "terrorist" acts created by the FBI so that they look like they were doing their job. the FBI is a criminal organization that should be shut down along with the CIA
Actually at Aryan Nations, Weaver met two federal undercovers:
Rico Valentino, FBI, and Gus Magisano, ATF.
Aryan Nations was FBI turf.
Rico outted Gus to Aryan Nations security.
After Rico's cover was blown, ATF decided to use the gun charge to blackmail Weaver into becoming their CI in Aryan Nations.
By that time, Weaver had broke with Aryan Nations and had worked with less extreme separatist groups. Going back to Aryan Nations for ATF and pretending to have a change of heart could have gotten Weaver outted like Gus or Rico or even disappeared.
Did the Weavers harbor objectionable beliefs"
beliefs that were proven by the very government they were trying to avoid. the government does not like people who don't need the government
“Every bit as dangerous”?!
The rogue FBI is infinitely more dangerous than a gaggle of racist preppers hiding in the woods
The equivocation is just astounding.
Absolutely, much more dangerous for they commit murder in the belief they are doing so for the good of the country, the same as the busy body, do gooder.
And they can do so without fear of reprisal, or legal ramification.
When you're a Fed, you can get away with anything.
The sniper who shot Weaver’s wife should’ve been jailed. It was either q/immunity or a non-prosecution decision by the local state losers that saved him. I forget. And to say it was “ in dispute” as to how his kid was killed is, well, swallowing agitprop.
The follow up reports were all glaring indictments of the feds and of almost all invoked authorities. Civil suits in the millions were awarded to the key players, further delegitimizing that debacle.
WACO was worse. Janet Reno wouldn’t have seen Ruby Ridge as a teaching moment. Not her. The thing is, if one visits these places ( I saw the WACO compound twice), what’s troubling is why the feds would even waste time with such minor, obscure locations. Waco is beyond the middle of nowhere. It’s in the damn Texas “desert.”
But liberals love their statism. Reno was the paradigm. It’s a fucking disease with those clowns. Throw in putative reports of ( especially Christian) religiosity, kid abuse and guns-well, the poor bastards at WACO were toast. Doomed.
Meet the new boss, same as...
Involved authorities/edit
Waco is beyond the middle of nowhere. It’s in the damn Texas “desert.”
Waco is a medium sized city in the Brazos River Valley. It's home to Baylor University and (formerly) a beverage called Dr. Pepper. It's a long way from the desert.
I was referencing the compound, not the city. It’s been a while-over 20 years-since I was last there, but I’m fairly sure I drove @ 30 miles away from the city, out into the desert.
To nowhere.
Correct. The compound was not within the city of Waco, or even that near it. That was just the nearest FBI field office. Part of the reason the Keystone Kops were met with armed resistance when they arrived is because the convoy of unmarked black SUVs and APCs snaking toward the compound could be seen for miles. The local yokel sheriff knew Koresh and pleaded with the feds to let him take him into custody during one of his routine trips to town for supplies, but when the feds want dead children, the feds get dead children.
Exactly. He could have been picked up quietly, and without incident.
The sniper who shot Weaver’s wife should’ve been jailed.
That would be Lon Horiuchi. Horiuchi then managed to be involved in the Waco siege.
Which ultimately led to the Alfred P. Murrah bombing.
You can draw a straight line through all of it; the FBI is an evil organization.
Standing in the sniper's blind where the initial volley of shots into the door of the compound took place, where dozens of shell casings were found, and yet who never once fired his weapon according to the official record. Of course, we could just examine that door, since the Davidians obsessively preserved it in order to prove who fired first. Ah, but then that was burnt to the ground and razed by bulldozers within days along with the rest of the compound. Oopsie!
McVeigh actually started a campaign handing out fliers with Horichi's picture and home address at every gun show he visited and had intended on killing him, but decided the Murrah building was a better target.
The cartridge casings found in the FBI sniper nest were allegedly left by the ATF firing from that position on the day 1 of the raid, not day 51 of the gas and tank attack and fire.
(A) The ATF cartridge cases were not tagged, photographed, and bagged as evidence (routine procedure with Tennessee Bureau of Investigation handing of a shooting incident).
(B) The FBI sniper blithely occupied a sniper nest littered with ATF fired casings.
(C) Not credible.
According to the Texas Marshalls, the door actually survived the fire. It only disappeared after the feds took custody of the site.
I think Weaver's successful defense was part of why Waco turned out so ugly; Weaver had gotten off because the press had been allowed in early, and he lawyer could prove from press photos that the feds had altered the 'crime scene' to falsify things before taking the photos they'd used in the trial.
Knowing this, the Davidians were absolutely adamant that the compound had to be documented by 3rd parties before the feds took custody. (Remember that banner they hung from the tower? "God help us, we want the press"? The feds' response was to move the press far enough away they couldn't see any banners.) The feds were equally adamant that this would never be permitted to happen.
They finally burned the place to the ground to make sure the evidence would be destroyed.
They started to prosecute the sniper who killed Vicki Weaver. According to Wikipedia:
"In 1997, Boundary County, Idaho Prosecutor Denise Woodbury, with the help of special prosecutor Stephen Yagman, charged Horiuchi in state court with involuntary manslaughter over his killing of Vicki Weaver. The U.S. Attorney filed a notice of removal of the case to federal court, which automatically took effect under the statute for removal jurisdiction[7] where the case was dismissed by U.S. District Judge Edward Lodge on May 14, 1998, who cited the supremacy clause of the Constitution which grants immunity to federal officers acting in the scope of their employment.[2]
"The decision to dismiss the charges was reversed by an en banc panel of the Ninth Circuit, which held that enough uncertainty about the facts of the case existed for Horiuchi to stand trial on state manslaughter charges.[2] Ultimately, the then-sitting Boundary County prosecutor, Brett Benson, who had defeated Woodbury in the 2000 election, decided to drop the charges, because he felt it was unlikely the state could prove the case and too much time had passed. Yagman, the special prosecutor, responded that he "could not disagree more with this decision than I do."[8]"
So the fact that he wasn't actually prosecuted is on the Idaho prosecutor.
But I'm astonished at the initial district court finding that federal officers are immune under the supremacy clause from prosecution under state law for anything they do in the course of their employment. If that kind of thinking had been in place in 1770, John Adams would never have had to defend the soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre, because the Brits could have told the Massachusetts justice system, "Go pound sand. The troops were just doing their jobs. Imperial supremacy, bitches."
Still waiting for an explanation of why the FBI hostage rescue team is shooting women when there are no hostages.
I am impressed that the same site that wrote a very sympathetic story about the death of an antifa member that the LP liked (keep that in mind), they will not do so for somebody who might hold views they do not like but was wronged, undeniably so, by the government
I am impressed that the same site that wrote a very sympathetic story about the death of an antifa member that the LP liked (keep that in mind)
To be fair, Garret Foster was hardly antifa, just a dumb larper who stupidly confronted someone that was quicker on the draw.
Randy and Vicki had each been raised religious, but together they grew more radical. By the early 1980s, they were speaking of the endtimes, warning that the government would soon be trying to kill all Christians
Holy Fuck. Beyond parody. Just astounding. Retardedly astounding.
30 yrs. after the FBI shot his wife dead because he didn't break any laws and Reason is sticking with the "You're just being paranoid." narrative. Uh, it's not paranoia
if you're rightafter the FIB shoots your wife dead, subsequently aids in botching a raid in TX, fails to prevent multiple bombings and shootings that it had direct involvement in, falsifies or knowingly provides false documents provided to a secret court to investigate a presidential campaign, multiply entraps people into terrorism and kidnapping schemes that it initiated, starts keeping tabs on parents who attend school board meetings...Jesus Fucking Christ, this site isn't even a magazine anymore. It's like a good faith alt-4Chan forum. I mean fuck, even Qanon looks legitimate, principled, and respectable relative to Reason shaming Vicki Weaver as a fundamentalist religious radical.
the possible entrapment
I mean, fuck. He was cleared on the charge based on nothing but the testimony and credibility of the agents entrapping him. No he said/he said technicality. The Randy('s lawyer) claimed he was entrapped and defending himself, put the people responsible for the entrapment on the stands to state what they did under oath and the judge said he was. The government paid out over $4.5M to the victims rather than go to trial in civil court and invoked supremacy in defense of its agents actions. It could not be a more textbook case of "We can neither confirm nor deny whether we entrapped Randy Weaver."
I mean, Jesus, the way this site just throws around 'allegedly', 'superficially credible', and 'possible' in order to defend the guilty and impugn the innocent is just incredible.
impugn the innocent
In a fucking obituary no less. Reason "Groom children and piss on fresh graves to equivocate about the FBI" magazine. Fuck.
Same rag that spent 10 years vociferously defending the intelligence community that was the personification of pure evil right up until their chocolate messiah got elected. Reason loves them some bloodthirsty mass-murdering feds.
Are you suggesting that those weren't Weaver's beliefs?
Plus, if we're being technical, the Weavers were killed because a bunch of careerist ATF and FBI assholes wanted to get an informant in with the Aryans, and went in shooting when their clumsy attempt to pressure Weaver failed. There was, and I'm a little embarrassed I need to point this out, no conspiracy to kill Christians involved.
As Kissinger was fond of saying "Even paranoids have enemies."
It was more a matter of complete indifference to killing, I'll grant you. If that's better.
Yeah.
And there was a conspiracy, an actual conspiracy to capture or kill fundamentalist Christians. Heedless is using a diffusion of blame/mens rea defense of a conspiracy. If a team of people assemble and program a robot to kill all humans, they aren't guilty of conspiracy to commit murder because the robot doesn't know it's identify humans for killing. Even if you can point to the lines of code that says "If target==human: fire weapons until dead" the person or persons who programmed it aren't guilty of conspiracy because they didn't know it was going into an attack robot to be pointed at Americans and even if someone did point it at Americans, it's not their fault because they didn't wring the line of code.
Skipping past the stupid Zeno's Paradox of mens rea, if Lon Horiuchi was just a guy trying to get through life at his job, Randy was no radical.
If parody, kudos. Otherwise, 100% 'wet roads cause rain' ass-backwards (probably gaslighting) retardation. Even the Kissinger "quote". Kissinger wanted Meir to grant further concessions to the Arabs and when she didn't he said she was being paranoid. She replied with "Even paranoids have real enemies."
Also, (again if parody, kudos) if you're going to troll conspiracy theories, get your facts straight. The Aryan Nation was also known as "Church of Jesus Christ Christian". The FBI didn't classify them as a terrorist organization until 2001, right about the same time as The RAND Corporation did and the SPLC filed suit against them and they lost the rights to the name. I'm not defending the Aryan Nation, they were associated with some despicable acts. Nothing so heinous as being documented conducting COINTELPRO against MLK Jr., but bad stuff nonetheless.
I feel I need to say it again, if the sarc-tag fell off that post, it's brilliant. Otherwise, you're just another disgusting piece of shit willing to run with the 'Weaver entrapped himself. Vicky stepped in front of a stray bullet. Horiuchi acted alone. Nothing else happened.' narrative.
Nothing justifies what happened to his family, but that guy’s a fucking piece of shit.
Here's hoping somebody shoots your wife in the head, your kid in the back, you when you're unarmed and you die 30 yrs. later so we can all shit on your fresh grave too. Your family probably doesn't deserve it just for being associated with you, but we won't really know how big a piece of shit you are until you're all dead.
Actually you are a fucking piece of shit, sarcasmic. Randy Weaver is and was an innocent man who committed no crime and had his life destroyed by the Marxist pieces of shit you worship. And if you weren't such a faggot pussy cock holster, I would have put your teeth through the back of your skull on one of the numerous occasions that you've pussied out like the pathetic little cunt you are after you've invited me to fight you. Any time you're ready to stick in a tampon and put your money where your cunt is, I'm still game.
I’ll bring the popcorn.
How is this guy different from an illegal? He broke the law. He got what he got.
...except his wife and son were shot on HIS property, not a foreign country.
Nice attempt at a comparison there.
Well first, and most importantly, he didn't commit any crimes. "Illegals", as the name suggest, are, you know, criminals. They have broken laws.
And secondly, no illegal alien has ever had their wife and kids blown away in front of them and then had half their shoulder blown off by the Keystone Kops while they were legally present on their own private property committing no crimes.
Thirdly, he was not a welfare-leeching sack of shit equally illiterate in Spanish and English having his lifestyle subsidized by taxpayer largess.
He's kinda like the Antifa terrorists you spent 2 years defending, or like Garrett Foster, the little faggot pussy bitch who was your twin in every way, except he was stupid enough to run his little faggot pussy bitch mouth in person while you're a cowardly piece of shit little quivering cunt who routinely challenges people to fights and then pussies out like the pathetic little piece of shit bitch you are. He was as stupid as you, but had the balls to fuck around and find out. If you ever follow up on your threats you'll meet the same fate. But that'll never happen, because you're a faggot pussy bitch coward.
So that's how Randy Weaver was different from an illegal, and why you're a pathetic fuckwit who isn't fit to eat his last bowel movement.
Hope that helps!
Forgive me, I forgot to finish my thought: He's kinda like the Antifa terrorists you spent 2 years defending... except he committed no crimes, wasn't a terrorist, and wasn't killed while brandishing an AK-47 after running a motorist off the road.
Don't criticize Sarcasmic. He can't help it. Children who ride the short bus to school are exempted from otherwise required logic classes. Personaly, I look forward to his next comment explaining why saying "FJB" or "Let's go, Brandon" should, if justice prevailed, be a capital offense.
I'm pretty sure the Vietnam War was in full swing in 1968. I mean my dad was a Marine company commander on the DMZ in February when the Tet offensive started and he said there was a lot of fighting.
The historically illiterate fuckwit who wrote this character assassination wasn't even alive when the Ruby Ridge massacre took place, let alone Vietnam. Turns out Twitter and Wikipedia aren't exactly Herodotus.
"By Weaver's telling, Fadeley repeatedly pressured him to illegally saw down two shotgun barrels; after initially refusing, Weaver, hard up for cash, acquiesced. (Fadeley would later claim at trial that Weaver had approached him.)"
The ATF informant (pseudonyms Gus Magisano and Ken Fadeley) testified at trial that Weaver had a legal duck gun for sale. Fadeley told him if he cut the stock off behind the handgrip and the barrel off at the end of the magazine and did a good job, he'd pay Weaver $150 more than he was asking for it. Fadeley touched the gun at the points he wanted Weaver to cut it. The jury who heard that testimony decided that was entrapment.
For sawing off (it's illegal) down two shotgun barrels and demanding a trial (versus snitching), the BATF (generally, without mission, as alcohol, tobacco and firearms all legal) surveilled a fellow citizen's home, with video surveillance, sniper postings, and more! Huh! Camouflage and Shoot on Site for two sawed off shotguns? And know one outraged the BATF still in existence; even after WACO that followed this murder?
"warning that the government would soon be trying to kill all Christians, and exhorting friends and family to move off the grid to escape the coming dictatorship."
He wasn't wrong, he was early.
The federal government can be just as dangerous as “the bad guys” is a major misrepresentation, though perhaps not intentional, for “the bad guys” don’t have the virtually unlimited taxpayer funding available to the forces of “law and order”, so called.
By the way regarding the “CLUSTER FUCKS”, a relatively mild descriptive phrase describing governmental antics so clearly displayed at Ruby Ridge, and Waco, isn’t it strange, or isn’t it that nobody involved on the government side suffered the least punishment? Should the foregoing strike anyone as that proverbial “dumb question”, I guess I’m given to sometimes pose the proverbial dumb question.
So Lancaster imagines "religious" and "radical" are antonyms? Religious means addled or partly addled by the sort of superstition that abjures experimental verification. Radical is a Newspeak smear-word for integrity. Robert Dear, the Colorado murderer is a soi-disant religious fanatic. He combines radical with faith in an outcome that speaks for itself. The root of the equivocation is altruism. Anyone who seriously buys into altruism is bound to worship the initiation of deadly force, whether for an invisible friend or totalitarian dictatorship. It is the opposite of what libertarian platforms offer. Where does Reason find these "writers"?
You’re a vicious leftist, idiot, senile bigot. No one puts stock in anything you have to say here and you are regarded exclusively as a senile crackpot weirdo.
P.S. fuck off
The murder of Weaver's family and the massacre of the Branch Davidians was obviously very carefully plotted by the BATF and FBI.
Neither of these two government agencies have any reason to remain in operation. They have proven to be enemies off the American people. They are a dangerous threat to public safety, to freedom and liberty and serve no useful purpose except to use whatever fraudulent and criminal activities to perpetuate their useless existence.
On another note, see what happens in the coming months to the four men whose charges were struck down by the Court and instead of being sent to prison for the rest of their lives, are free men.
The FBI doesn't like to lose. The judge and members of the jury may be in danger as well.
The Discovery/Times special with all of the interviews is especially chilling.
If there really is an afterlife I hope you get to see your wife and daughter Randy.
And Sam
Randy was my best friend. Randy, Bo Gritz, Sheriff Mack and many others were given tables at my gun shows but Randy was special and we have been the best friends for many years. We never failed to call each other whether it was in Idaho, Arkansas, New Hampshire or Georgia. I watched all three daughters grow up and become great young ladies. Randy and I both named our grandsons after little Sam who was gunned down in cold blood by the government criminals hiding in the woods. Randy never got over Vicky or Sam. The last time my wife and I talked to him he had gained back some of his weight and his COPD seems to bother him less. He looked forward to seeing his grandkids almost every day. He lived in an apartment in Kalispell and begged us to come out so he could take us on a tour of Glacier Park. We are both older than Randy so we never made it out there. Randy asked me to write his second book. I still have the original galley of the book but just couldn't spare the time so I introduced him to Sheriff Mack who ended up being his ghost writer. I could write about my best friend all day but I'll stop here.