Don't Trust Biden's Dystopian 'Disinformation Board'
A "disinformation" board sounds like something from a dystopian novel.

Dystopian fiction always has fascinated me because writers such as Philip K. Dick and Ray Bradbury based their stories on real-world trends—and simply took them to logical extremes. Storylines involving, say, departments of pre-crime that arrested people based on algorithms seemed preposterous, but have turned out to be creepily close to the mark.
It's hard to underestimate the absurdity of government directives and bureaucrats, so these tales—however chilling—often are quite funny. My favorite dystopian hero is Robert De Niro's character, Archibald "Harry" Tuttle, in the movie Brazil. He was the government's main enemy—a "villain" who fixed HVAC systems without a permit from Central Services.
That's almost as bizarre as the story of a government so paranoid that it created a Weather Bureau, overseen by an Office of Censorship, that promulgated complex rules for the dissemination of weather reports to keep them out of enemy hands. It only allowed newspapers to publish forecasts up to 150 miles from its publication city. That wasn't fiction, but was an actual World War II–era federal agency.
Now the Department of Homeland Security—having apparently learned nothing from past U.S. government absurdities or George Orwell—is launching a Disinformation Governance Board to police the internet. Homeland Security always sounded ironic enough, but a board of disinformation is a "truth is stranger fiction" situation.
If its rollout is any indication, then the board will be incompetent, duplicitous and will overstep its authority. DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas announced the dubious project on April 27 but—and this fails even the most basic public-relations test—provided no real information about what it will do or how its agents will be held accountable.
It's the latest example of the oxymoronic nature of government intelligence—especially clear as the nation's security leaders seem blindsided by the amount of outrage this announcement has generated. "It is just an episodic failure," former DHS official Brian Murphy told the Associated Press. Indeed. As Orwell wrote in 1984, "It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking 13."
During congressional testimony about disinformation on the internet, Mayorkas said his agency established the board "to more effectively combat this threat, not only to election security but to our homeland security," per a Politico report. But the publication found this to be "an odd comment, given that DHS now says the board does not run or manage any department functions."
The takeaway is not to trust anything the Biden administration says about the matter. The board—and I don't think I'm going out on a limb—will probably use the fearsome power of federal security agencies to monitor online content and pressure social-media firms to remove content it calls disinformation. It will do so in the name of battling actual cyber threats from Russia and China.
Mayorkas has further eroded trust by proposing Nina Jankowicz, a former think tank fellow, as the board's director. As The Wall Street Journal's Daniel Henninger has explained, fighting "foreign propaganda isn't quite" how Janckowicz "defines the national-security threat from disinformation." He pointed us to a report she co-authored for the Wilson Center.
The authors say the report "strives to build awareness of the direct and indirect impacts of gendered and sexualized disinformation on women in public life, as well as its corresponding impacts on national security and democratic participation." They pointed to misogynistic "abuse and disinformation" on Twitter directed toward Vice President Kamala Harris.
Most Americans decry the viciousness and disreputable information that proliferates online. But this is not something the government can "fix"—at least not without undermining the basic tenets of our democracy. The "difference between opinion and disinformation is often contested—and many argue the government shouldn't be responsible for drawing the line," as that A.P. article noted.
The "many" who "argue" that point would no doubt include the nation's founders, who penned a First Amendment that forbids laws abridging the freedom of speech. In a free society—even one with an increasingly coarse and vile public culture—we sort out these things by letting everyone have their say. This is always news to a few people, but that amendment does not apply to private platforms.
Nevertheless, the nation does approach a true dystopia when a federal agency sets itself up as the arbiter of truth and then pressures those companies to do its bidding. We've already seen the Democratic administration exert regulatory pressure on social-media companies and lawmakers from both parties push for more government controls of the internet. This new board is even creepier.
Mayorkas claimed that, "we in the Department of Homeland Security don't monitor American citizens." But here's A.P.'s rebuttal: "In fact, DHS does. The sprawling department…has broad authorities to track and collect data on American citizens." Be afraid. Be very afraid. And you might want to re-read some of your dystopian favorites.
This column was first published in The Orange County Register.
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The only people that "trust" this nonsense are the people who want to actively use it to silence dissent.
Anyone with half a brain knows what this is
But elites know best.
They should report themselves to The Thought Police Civilian Review Board
I, for one, think that President B. and the DGB are doing us a favor by silencing dissent.
It’s for our own good.
to the sugar caves with you
It does save a lot of time, and saves many a man from the trauma of making their own choices.
Why the rush to judgment? Give the board a few years, then see how they’ve done. You won’t be able to find anyone with a bad word for them, I’m sure.
fair point. Some people are saying this is a China style authoritarian move, but I never hear any citizens complaining about Xi. I guess we should give it a chance!
I've said all thisxtime that Emperor Xi has been the de facto ruler of this Planet for the past 2 years and accomplished what every comic book villian never could. All he needs are foot-lojg fingernails and he'd be The Mandarin from Iron Man!
Don't Trust Biden's Dystopian 'Disinformation Board'
Yeah, thanks Greenhut, we'd kinda figured that one out on our own.
It took like two weeks, but Reason finally has a decent libertarian response to the regime's new ministry of truth. And not even a mention of Trump, DeSantis, or abortion.
And it was a reprint.
A better response would omit the writer's personal views, which greenhut is incapable of doing. That said, it does (shockingly) avoid linking to the bulwark, and hit on the painfully obvious reasons that have been in print for a week already elsewhere.
Are we sure the disinformation board is silencing misinformation on the internet, as opposed to creating and promoting it?
For example, I give you this tweet from the Biden Administration:
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1524868269148192779
In which every single thing is a lie.
https://twitter.com/ArTallks/status/1524873232569946112
Someone actually wrote an article claiming the vaccine has kept us from hitting the 3 million mark that was predicted, while also ignoring that the 3million was estimated for the first year. Amazing.
Would.
Really?
Some guys take "don't stick your dick in crazy" as a challenge.
Just look at Johnny Depp.
Is there a Title IX or "buyer's remorse... remorse" defense to "don't stick it in crazy"? As in, "She wasn't crazy when I stuck it in!"?
To be honest, none of them are crazy when you first stick your dick in. But the craziness co-efficient approaches 1 the longer you stick.
Thank you, Mr. Gore. I'll pass that up the chain. Luckily we now have your username and the folks down the hall will soon be delivering your dossier.
If Nina likes the cut of your jib, you will be hearing more from her directly soon. She has new, more explicit songs she's composed for more intimate settings.
If she does not... what size jumper do you wear? The nearest black site never further than a couple hundred miles away.
Have a pleasant day!
*black site is never
The DSB is coming for your lack of edit button, Reason!
Have a pleasant day!
*DGB
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST
Have a pleasant day!
Ah, so the DGB operative is engage in disinformation him/her/it's self huh?
Nina will have a special rehabilitation for you that involves you spinning on a music box or dangling from marionette strings:
https://youtu.be/L_l2ii_25tc
Fuck Off, Operative!
Dude, did you see the picture? She has little wings growing out of her back!
Yeah, black wings are never a good sign.
You have Glenn Danzig's attention...
Amusing that the author references "paranoia" since the right has completely freaked out - on purpose obviously as just another GOP culture war front - over a very limited and sensible proposal. The agency has no enforcement powers and is aimed at disinformation on or by foreign entities and noted in it's announcement disinformation which was luring potential immigrants to our borders based on false expectations. Oh no!!! Say it ain't so!!! 3 more steps to Aushwitz!!! Protect the children.
Cripes, how long are you little girls gonna' keep this one going? Is this meant to take up when CRT gets old?
Thanks god, no federal department has over-stepped its authority and illegally surveilled US citizens.
Or killed anyone due to clerical error -RIP Randy Weaver, or simple arrogance -cruise missile & drone 'diplomacy.'
Uh, Randy Weaver wasn't killed. It was his Dog, Son, and nursing Wife. And they weren't killed over a clerical error, but ultimately by BATF entrapment.
It's still horrible either way, of course.
I missed the obituary when you posted that and initially didn't get what you were implying. My apologies.
Joe, your basic problem is that you believe that the Federal Government is a reliable source of truth.
No, his basic problem is he has to defend his team at all cost to logic and principle. He’s been defending Biden at every misstep and now has to defend this monstrosity even though it’s ridiculousness is plainly obvious
Maybe he can explain to us how the new misinformation spewing Minister of Truth is qualified to squash our speech in the name of defending the homeland. But he won’t.
Let us know when the DHS squashes your speech bevis.
It doesn't have to be squashed Joe. Just use of government force for intimidation.
Let me guess, you didnt see the FBI admit to interviewing parents regarding school board statements during the hearing?
Youre such a statist partisan fool.
Jesse, not sure what specific incidences you are referring to, but physical threats were made at numerous school boards in the last school year. I've seen videos of meetings and it's not made up. No one's 1st amendment rights were abridged like the they just were in Florida with the approval of most here.
If that happened, it's a job for local police. It's just ordinary threats or assault. Why should the FBI have any interest or jurisdiction?
To silence dissent.
List them you autist cunt.
Good word, most people are afraid to use it,, for obvious reasons.
Ironically, it might be one of those words that would draw the attention of the Ministry of Truth based Disinformation
physical threats were made at numerous school boards in the last school year
Cite?
Um... Were you not around when Reason ran the article about Gov requesting account information RIGHT HER IN THE REASON COMMENTS of particular members who did some Nazi-Politician bashing??? ( Something about a wood-chipper )...
And this was LONG BEFORE the Nazi's proudly came out of the closet... This has been going on for DECADES... Google Cointelpro (Counter Intelligence Program) done on USA citizens by their own government.
Which frankly even after getting caught undeniably continues to do this... THIS is not the USA anymore.... It's a nation ran by Nazi's (National Socialists) far far far outside the "guardrails" of the U.S. Constitution...
AND Democrats are the WORST at having any respect for the U.S. Constitution (the very definition of what the USA is). They're literally a treasonous Nazi(National Socialist)-Regime outfit pretending to take pride in the USA when they don't even acknowledge it's existence. Matter of fact there's whole clan of them CRT, etc, etc who outright despised the USA - What the F are they doing here? Lawless theft of others wealth is what they're after.
How? H ow will he let us know once it is “squashed”?
He won't be able to let you know, you dumb shit!
Holy fuck. Leftists shilling for the DHS. It only took 20 years.
And a source for satisfying all other human needs and desires, including telling us what needs and desires we should feel.
You shouldn't have needs and desires. That leads to hedonism and sin. The government is here to protect you from that.
Actually, needs and desires are essential to survival. Don't let the government get in the way of that.
Steve-O, mostly yes, which is how the Ukrainians know where to target, and various agencies publish data as accurate as possible for various industries. Remember, unlike current hero Elon Musk or Russia, we choose who runs the government and who oversees it's practices so that gives me reasonable confidence as to it's essential honesty.
.. reasonable confidence as to it's essential honesty.
Now that is some funny stuff right there.
I honestly can't believe you just said that. The naivete is through the roof.
Joe cheered for the state while reading ‘1984’.
Didn’t everybody think the Empire was the good guys in Star Wars?
Oh. There wasn't an active and open resistance in government under trump. Antifa and activists admitting to using government resources to dox and target people.
Good to know.
That's a paranoid conspiracy theory that undermines legitimate concerns about a board like this. Please stop.
Did you not pay attention to the "leaks" between 2017 and 2021?
Joe, now imagine President Ron DeSantis and think about the horrors he could perpetuate with a board like this.
The basic idea is terrible and the uses it could be put to by a dedicated culture warrior (on either fringe) is terrifying.
-of course everyone knows he wouldnt do that... only your side is so brazen.
-he would probably just shut it down. Thats why Dems can be so blind to the obvious 'other side in control' arguments... they know that in most cases the abuse will only happen when they (dems) are in charge
Yup. Each extreme is convinced of their own party's virtue and the other party's perfidity.
And if you think that the GOP wouldn't abuse a board like that as badly as the Dems, you are not being clear-eyed. DeSantis specifically has already supported censorship measures (direct and indirect), I highly doubt he would lose his taste for it if he became President.
Extremists will always try to restrict information they find inconvenient. This administration couldn't get away with altering the charter of a board they created, but the next administration (whether Dem or GOP) will almost certainly take a toothless Disinformation Board and make it a censorship bureau with policing powers.
And if you think that the GOP wouldn't abuse a board like that as badly as the Dems, you are not being clear-eyed.
Why wouldn't they at this point?
Yes, you certainly wouldn't want Dickell Mitch, Mittens, Murkowski, Lezzy Liz, or Sassy Ben having access to that.
hey - I deliberately bolded 'in most cases' - obviously they have and will do it. just not nearly as often, egregiously, or blatantly with the sanction of the press. Probably because a) the press doesn't give them cover like they do the Dems and b) they just aren't as bad. Sorry that I cant say they are both equally bad - at this point in history I think its impossible to argue for that rationally.
My point was that if you think that the perfidity you ascribe to the Dems isn't equally applicable to the GOP, you are not being honest.
Who is worse is directly related to your views and nothing else. If you value stability and traditionalism over personal choice enough to support legislative action to prevent change, you will support Republicans. If you value maximal participation in shaping culture, to the point that you support legislative action to create change, you will support Democrats.
But those two have been garnering less and less support because they don't speak to most Americans. Republicans are 27% of voters. Democrats are 29%. That puts 44% of Americans outside the two parties. Factor in the fact that the fringes are either a small majority (GOP) or a small minority (Dems) of their party, but have an outsized voice in the national conversation, and you can see why people are leaving.
Sooner or later (probably sooner) the two parties will fall below 50% of the voter pool. Will they learn that playing to the base is a bad strategy then? Will a moderate party arise to fill the center? I"m hoping for the latter.
Care to cite examples of your claims? I don't recall the GOP setting up something comparable to the DGB.
Indeed, it will be interesting how the checker board is cleared. Quick, violent, painful, deadly. or Slow, reasoned, dangerous, painful
The Ukrainians don't need our Government to know which way to shoot! If someone in a Putineer uniform or tank is running towards them from the East or South with weapons aimed at them, the Ukrainians fire!
The Ukrainians aren't as stupid as we think you are, Joe!
How are you enjoying your food pyramid, with that healthy base of bread and pasta?
Mmmmm. Bread and pasta.
corn's good too, and it can be harvested with electric combines
There is copious evidence supporting the view that joe's problem is a combination of ignorance, stupidity, and a desire to suck up to whomever is in power.
Full body scans are only going to be a secondary screening tool.
Joe Friday is here to piss on our legs and tell us it's raining folks.
Sure, when the DOJ conspired with the NSBA to sic the FBI on parents attending School Board meetings, the folks like Chemjeff and Joe were here to say that it was all nothing- just a letter about some meetings that would happen. But now we know that in fact the FBI is now visiting parents who did nothing but threaten to vote out their local school board.
Biden assured us that vaccine mandates were beyond anything his government could or would do...up until he needed to stir the pot.
When you come in and defend people with not credibility, you lose credibility, Joe. It makes you look like nothing more than a hack. A hack! This has nothing to do with the Right making shit up- your Team Blue is doing it themselves.
It is clearly obvious that this board was setup to allow political functionaries to "Warn" private companies about narratives that the government finds unacceptable being shared on private platforms. We know this because they installed a new head, Jankowicz, who has repeatedly insisted she should have this power. We know that Mayorkas is lying when he demurs, because even the words he is saying to Congress (the DHS tracks no americans!?) are patently, absurdly wrong.
When you are in a hole, the first step is to stop digging. Your Team at the Whitehouse haven't figured that out, and will continue to beclown themselves. You don't need to join them in the act.
And?
WTF are we, or anyone, gonna do about it?
If the food shortages continue and people start loosing their jobs en masse? Who knows, but it'll probably involve drinking Brando and watching "Ow, my balls."
How is this board going to determine that it is only countering “foreign” disinformation? Well the first thing it will do is secure investigation powers so that it can subpoena account information. And honestly it doesn’t matter because they have so nebulously defined what they are going to combat that everything will fall under its purview. The not-yet-seated director has already written papers on how misgendering of trans people and sexist speech are threats to national security. With a second echelon of compliant media and third echelon “fact-checkers” a future where social media statements can only be selected from a pre-approved drop down box doesn’t seem too far fetched.
Even without enforcement powers, this is creepy as fuck. You really don't see the problem with a government agency trying to be the arbiters of truth? You are perhaps unaware of the US government's long history of actively promoting disinformation?
THIS!
According to Joe, the Government’s track record of correctly reporting the annual rainfall totals in Sheboygan shows that it is an accurate source of information and should therefore be given power to ban certain ideas.
Joe is the little bitch in the prison movies that snitches on other inmates to the guards in hopes he stays in their good graces and benevolence.
He has that energy for sure.
We were lied to by DHS about domestic surveillance. You don't think they would lie to us again?
You poor poor babies!! I know many of you got roughed up by FBI goons at the PTA meeting and your phone calls to your old ISIS buddy from Beirut was tagged by the NSA, so yeah, this is like Stalin - you know the guy your hero Putin likes to emulate - and Hitler right here. Thank god you resistance fighters are defending the homeland from your outposts in the woods.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
oh pleeeeze! why treat this as the comment of an honest actor.
it is an obvious troll, party stooge, however you want to classify it
There was actually a pun buried in my post.
Fuck you, you statist shill.
Kiss my ass you panicky little girl and enemy of the US.
Time for a bigger flag in your pick up truck.
Hmm, gigantic rainbow flag in his pickup. Joe might confuse people.
It would have to be a rainbow flag. He would burst into flames if he ever touched an American flag.
Joe "You Don't Need the Constitution If You're Not Guilty" Friday in the house.
The guy from the team that throws around the term “fascist” recklessly is here to defend actual fascist behavior.
Hey, Joe, fuck the 1st Amendment, amiright?
No bevis, unlike most posters here who oppose the 1st amendment - they cheered on DeSantis getting legislation passed to pressure Disney because he didn't like what their CEO said - I fully support it. If the Disinformation Governance Board stifles Americans free speech rights I'll oppose that but I seriously doubt that will occur and it is not part of anything they have proposed nor do they have the power to do that. They will produce information to counter Russian bullshit - for example - not censor Americans.
LOL
Anything that has been created can have its powers expanded. And assuming innocent purposes at the moment (a hopelessly naive belief) will remain innocent purposes in the future strains credulity.
Joe, they’ve already been successfully pressing the platforms to suppress speech. One example is the Hunter laptop clusterfuck.
Now they’ll have the cover of this bullshit Ministry run by a highly partisan nutjob. It’s gonna be worse.
I thought the DeSantis thing was crap too. That’s the difference between you and me. I like the first amendment for everyone. You like it for one team and screw everyone else.
And Joe goes to retard level 11.
The first amendment doesn't apply only to Americans. It is a prohibition on government interfering with speech. And that is pretty much the explicit purpose of any entity whose job it is to combat misinformation.
"not censor Americans"
You mean they won't censor Americans like, you know, the New York Post?
Will the information they produce to counter bullshit originate from Democratic Party oppo research like the Steele Report?
And I asked you to explain how the partisan whackadoodle that is in charge of this (and who spread the Steel disinfo emphatically) is good for this job, but you hid from that one. She was quoted as saying that she should have to power to alter other people's tweets. Seriously. But sure, she's going to leave Americans alone. So you're either a liar or a partisan imbecile.
And if Trump were setting this up you'd be screaming like a hungry baby. Because you're a fascist hypocrite.
And because he would be out of formula.
Disney losing special status was something that should've been done earlier.
Jankowicz declared that the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian attempt at disinformation and was supported by 50 ex-intelligence officials. She still believes Trump was working with those Russians.
Aside from all her claims of the need for gender protections she supports lies and denies things proven to be true.
Johannes, the GOP led Senate Intel Comm report of 2020 on the 2016 election confirmed Trump was working with the Russians, Putin personally approved it, and Assange is a Russian stooge.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/report_volume5.pdf
The Hunter laptop was another October surprise - like the Steele Dossier - which responsible news sources held back on reporting. Given that both Guliani and the NYPost refused to let anyone else look at the "evidence" and the owner of the shop now says there is "information" on it that was not on it when he had it, it is and was suspicious.
PS https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/12/now-warning-about-hunter-biden-laptop-disinfo-guy-who-leaked-it/
WaPo? Hahahahahahaha!!!!!! Yeah, they’re reliable. Stupid Marxist faggot.
No they didn't Joe. The report relied heavily on information that is now known as compiled by Hillary and false. That report bring support Alfa Bank and the DNC hack which we know are false at this point. You truly are an idiot.
Jesse, the Senate Intel Comm report is not based on Hillary Clinton. It was compiled under a GOP Senate majority and represents thousands of hours of interviews and research.
"Senate Intel Releases Volume 5 of Bipartisan Russia Report
Press Contact:
Dan Holler (Rubio), Nick Iacovella (Rubio) 202-224-3041
Tuesday, August 18, 2020
Miami, FL — U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence Acting Chairman Marco Rubio (R-FL) and Vice Chairman Mark Warner (D-VA) released the fifth and final volume of the Committee’s bipartisan Russia investigation titled, “Volume 5: Counterintelligence Threats and Vulnerabilities,” which examines Russia’s attempts to gain influence in the American political system during the 2016 elections.
The Committee’s investigation totaled more than three years of investigative activity, more than 200 witness interviews, and more than a million pages of reviewed documents. All five volumes total more than 1300 pages."
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report
The report mentions the steele dossier and alfa bank.
How ignorant are you?
We all know what a Democratic hack Marco Rubio is. He's almost past being a RINO. He's practically a Communist.
So, as long as it's not as bad as Stalin, everything's OK?
You really are a pathetic bootlicker.
Yeah, it's not like Brenan lied about them spying on us when the Snowden leak dropped.
Oh, I forgot, that happened under Obama, so you think Snowden is a treasonous terrorist or something.
Hi Joe,
I'm glad you're here to help counter-balance the near-endless armies of "conservatives" here who can't even be bothered to try to "conserve" honest vote-counting and democracy rather than mobocracy! All votes not for Trump are fraudulent, ya know!
I do agree with you about the pearl-clutching... Next step is 1/2 step away already; supposed lie-speakers will be dragged away to the death camps!
However, calling this a "sensible proposal" goes too far, IMHO. Every government agency, down to every single active military base, has a spokesperson, a press agency, or other such thing, to get government's sides of the stories out to us. AND we have a mostly-free press! WHY do we need to spend the tax money to do yet MORE of this (getting out the government's side)?
Sorry SQRLSY, let's see the as yet unannounced budget and no I don't see a problem with the feds countering disinformation from places like Russia - which is a constant disseminator of bullshit intended to harm - and China. Ignore it or counter it if you think they're wrong. With most of the goons here getting their news from FB, Q Anon, or God knows where, how could it be worse?
Taxpayer money wasted is what could go wrong! The CIA spokesperon(s) could already be tasked with disseminating what facts the government knows or claims to know about foreign meddling. A "Czar" of government info (or lies-fighting) already exists in the person of the White House Spokes-lady. Why add yet more?
Alternately put, the rubes (of fossilized minds) will already ignore the CIA spokespersons, no matter HOW much data the CIA (or others) can trot out! Our emotions, NOT the facts, freeze up our minds!
In light of this, why bother to add yet ANOTHER tax-payer-funded agency, that will be ignored by the rubes, anyway?
Things are going to get real fucking bad for you.so you and the shit eater are pals now? Sounds about right.
"honest vote-counting and democracy"..... LMFAO...
That's rich considering mystery voters is the DNC flagship.
And just never-mind all the voting laws that got ignored (No oversight; oh whoops here's EXCUSES why) and overnight Voting Law changes by the Executive Over-reach.....
Projection... That's all the left is selling... Blame everyone else for EXACTLY what they themselves are doing. Why it's almost an admission of guilt at this point.
You don't WTF you are talking about but mimic your handlers very well.
Grade D gaslighting.
So many dog whistles, Joe.
"The agency has no enforcement powers and is aimed at disinformation on or by foreign entities"
DHS has enforcement powers. When you are fundamentally wrong on a basic point, it makes you look like a moron.
...well, MORE of a moron.
The Disinformation Governance Board has no enforcement powers.
And the Patriot Act will only be used against foreign terrorists. It is not a massive expansion of law enforcement’s surveillance of American citizens. There is no power for the DEA to expand the war on drugs.
Stop being so paranoid, guys!!
Like I said Thinking, stop texting with ISIS friends and you probably won't be looked at. If you do?
If you are doing any wrong you have nothing to fear, right?
What a dummy.
Yeah Don't and all those Americans being round up at night because the NSA tagged their phone call to or from Al Qaeda are just victims of tyranny. They're filling the jails!
Yup, NSA only spied on people calling AQ. Literally nobody else.
The DHS absolutely does have them. Sure, feel free to trust that an agency with enforcement powers behind it won't use them. Sounds rational.
It doesn't have to have enforcement powers. Other agencies can do that for them. This is just another authoritarian cup and ball game concocted by the progressive left. We have seen this before, the left weaponizing government against Americans that they did not agree with.
Since I have him blocked but can infer from the quote, how will the board determine what is coming from foreign actors vs domestic citizens? What will stop them from believing that someone is not a front for a foreign government (see libsoftiktok)? What redress, if any, will citizens have when ‘mistakes’ are made? (Oh please tell me you believe no mistakes will be made.) What stories from just the past year have been labeled as misinformation but are now recognized as being true would have been completely suppressed? Can you point to one totalitarian government in formation that has not moved to seize the means of communication as one of its first actions? A Disinformation Board by any name is a blatant violation of the First Amendment the second that one citizen has their speech suppressed or will you posit that since this is an action and not a law nothing is wrong)
It is no governmental purpose other than propaganda. Not shocked you support it.
Control of information is not a government duty.
over a very limited and sensible proposal.
Mayorkas couldn't even describe the purpose or extent of this board. Yet you blindly accept it as sensible. Lol.
Jesse, I accept it as a logical and limited function based on the description of it's purpose while you imagine Stalin without any information except your fever dreams of persecution. Cripes, you're one of the guys who thought getting a vaccine you could turn down if you wanted was like being sent to Bergen-Belsen.
You accept it because you cannot think for yourself.
You accept it because you're a Democrat fascist authoritarian.
...now pretend Trump did it.
When there is a Stalin, it's too late. You really are just straight up authoritarian.
Jesse: “….. mayorkas couldn’t even describe the purpose….. “
Joe: “I accept it ……. based on the description of its purpose….”
Joe’s just trolling. He don’t believe any of the stupid shit he posts. No one can be that dumb.
He’s like a Kirkland that tries a little harder. Ignore him.
It’s early, so I’m glad I’ve already read the dumbest thing I will see today. Friday is looking up!
No, Joe, this is truly a disturbing thing. While the possibility exists thatbit will be a powerless agency without enforcement powers, that is just for now. Nothing will prevent it, once formed, from expanding both its scope and its powers. The only way to not see this as a potential source of mission creep and government censorship is if you trust the government (regardless of the party in control because, once created, it will outlast this administration) is if you view government as universally benign. And everyone I know can point to an event in recent history and say, "that's a bridge too far". Go back only 2 years and virtually everyone can find something that concerns them.
This is a terrible and frightening idea.
Nelson, there are plenty of government agencies producing information every day and stifling other information is not part of it. If and when your fears come true, we have courts and we can elect leaders to change it but there is no reason - NONE - to think censorship is within the powers of this agency and especially censorship of Americans.
Now, if want to see governmental overreach which will probably not stand in court, see what the State of Florida just did because the governor didn't like what CEO of Disney said. It passed a punitive law which had previously not been on the political horizon as an issue of any kind - I googled it and the issue does not show up in any discussions in the last 2 years. Almost everyone here supported the governor because you're not 1st amendment freaks or libertarians, you're GOP MAGA and the Governor is the great hope for 2024.
Ah yes, the strained defense of your team in order to pivot attention to the bad, evil other team. Your tribalism is so apparent that you literally have no credibility.
Yes, DeSantis is an authoritarian culture warrior who uses the power of government to punish those who speak out against his policies. And there is a very real possibility that he could be our next President. Would you trust him to restrain himself? Would anyone?
Right now you think what the administration calls "disinformation" is the right definition. But get a Republican in there and you will scream bloody murder about what they choose to repress.
There is no scenario in which the government deciding what is true ends well.
Actually no, because the damage will have been done. No one will be screaming, only cheering. The Disinformation Board will see to that.
I’m reminded of the title “I have no mouth but I must scream “.
Nelson, the government like every functioning entity and human must decide what is true and is actually tasked with that purpose for information running from American crop yields to Russian and Chinese military activities. Of course it does and will decide what is true and make that information available as helpful and necessary. If Russians - or anyone - is luring immigrants to Mexico on false premises about their abilities to enter the country, and that is the example stated in their initial statement of purpose, countering that is a legitimate and helpful function.
If as so many here are eager to believe - most hate the US government and can't distinguish it from Nazi Germany or Stalin's Russi, so distorted is their vision - censorship follows, as is DeSantis' goal in Florida and which is already being challenged in court where it will lose eventually, we have courts and elections to deal with it. Information is not the same as censorship.
"We are working with social to combat misinformation"
I wonder who said that?
Social media*
"Oh no!!! Say it ain't so!!! 3 more steps to Aushwitz!!! Protect the children."
There was a time when the Department of Education was nothing more than an "advisory" committee, with no actual power to do anything.
Look cunt, you and your and your faggot Marxist friends GTFO of my country and we can focus on fixing the damage you’ve caused. Or you can keep pushing until you find yourselves in landfills. Face down.
You can't possibly be this much of an asshole without trying way too hard.
If one makes an absurd claim, he deserves to get called out.
To hear you talk, Joe, you'd think The Disinformation Governance Board was a make-work project like FDR's Works Progress Administration, where people get paid to shovel dirt from one hole to another when they aren't sleeping on their shovel, not a Totalitarian Police-State surveillance and censorship agency.
Either way, it still sucks! Fuck Off, O'Brien!
The agency has no enforcement powers and is aimed at disinformation on or by foreign entities...
Right.... Biden & Co. started the disinformation board to protect elections from Russian interference, like in 2016, and not in response to people questioning the pandemic lockdowns, the source of the virus, the efficacy of mask mandates, the wisdom of vaccinating young children, and what the CDC might be hiding from the public.
And get back to us on that lack of enforcement powers when JD Vance is running the Disinformation Board.
The agency has no enforcement powers
How do you know? We've been told literally nothing about how this board will be constituted and what powers it will have.
If it will have literally no enforcement powers, what in the world is the point of it?
The agency . . . is aimed at disinformation on or by foreign entities and noted in it's announcement disinformation which was luring potential immigrants to our borders based on false expectations
And, of course, also "to build awareness of the direct and indirect impacts of gendered and sexualized disinformation on women in public life."
Which I have no doubt will be used as often in defense of Marjorie Taylor Green as of Kamala Harris.
The hilarity of the Ministry of Truth Czar literally calling out attacks on her boss as "disinformation" should tell you all you need to know about how virtuous this Orwellian department will be.
Joe, you are really not helping.
This board is a bad idea. There shouldn't be government boards trying to authenticate speech as "true" or "false" even if that board doesn't have any police powers to enforce its opinions. That is because it's simply not the government's job. For better or for worse, people are free to believe whatever they like. If people choose to believe that the COVID vaccine contains microchips, or that Bush deliberately planned 9/11, that is their choice. The way to convince free people not to believe falsehoods is not for some government bureau decreeing from on high what is true or false, but to persuade them by exposing them to facts and rational argument. That is the pro-liberty approach to so-called 'misinformation'.
But yet it's totally possible to believe the board is a bad idea without hopping on board the right-wing crazy train of OMG IT'S MINITRUE COME TO LIFE. Anyone with two functioning brain cells that has been around over the past 6 years understands that their outrage over this board isn't fundamentally based on principle, it is based on partisanship. They never said a word when Trump created the CISA, or when Trump's CISA decided to "combat misinformation" before the 2020 election. They are calling this board MINITRUE only because Team Blue is currently in charge. That's it.
So the principled thing to do here, IMO, is to call out the horrible idea that this board represents, while also calling out the bad-faith reaction to it. Not to try to defend this board just because Team Red (again) wildly overreacted to a bad idea from Team Blue.
Jeffy's pathetic attempt to bitch about team red aside...
When you've lost Jeff, one of the biggest left wing shills on this site, you know you have overstepped a line.
"Never go full retard", Joe Friday
The sloped forehead is to reduce wind resistance.
"the direct and indirect impacts of gendered and sexualized disinformation on women in public life, as well as its corresponding impacts on national security and democratic participation."
I'll bite. Give me one specific example.
They already gave you one - criticizing the Vice President. Saying anything derogatory about Kamala Harris means you're racist and sexist and you're destroying our trust that she is highly intelligent, upright, skillful, and profound, which of course endangers our democracy and our security. We won't mention the senile corrupt old pedophile wandering around the Rose Garden looking for the uh, you know, the thing.
Jankowicz actually said something like this. She stated that claims of Harris sleeping her way into government appointed positions was a "right wing conspiracy" in spite of the fact that the claim began with Harris' ex "Downtown" Willie Brown.
“….. that she is…… upright…..”
Haha. I see what you did there.
Every time you post "heels up Harris" on the internet, a pink-haired DGB agent cries.
Chicks. Go figure.
Repeal the 19th.
It should have included a Clause that said: "Don't use your righr to violate anybody else's, you power-hungry bitch!"
"If its rollout is any indication, then the board will be incompetent, duplicitous and will overstep its authority."
If the CDC can commandeer rental properties, then the Disinformation Governance Board can certainly nationalize the food supply and mandate clothing fashions, right?
What's the over-under on when the DGB becomes another armed federal agency?
Well, let's be honest. Skinny jeans need to be banned as the threat to the homeland that they are.
One of the DGB’s first priorities will be the renaming of homeland to Motherland.
Birthing Person-Land, you bigot! 😉
Remember that day we passed an Amendment to allow the Federal Government to regulate the press????
Yeah; me neither -- F'en Nazi's.
To assist the Disinformation Governance Board, please put this number on your speed dial list:
1-800-Am I allowed to say this?
What, we're not talking about abortion now that it's become about aborting black kids? Is it all getting too icky now?
Free speech bans and abortion bans are different subjects, but should be resisted just as strongly. Authoritarianism is a bad thing.
Actually, violating the NAP is what's bad.
When even Greenhut is more libertarian than your libertarian website, that's saying something.
Well, if one thing this comment thread has reaffirmed: When fascism came to America, it waves a rainbow flag.
I guess I missed where anything LGBT was discussed. We're talking about a terrible idea for a government agency.
George Carlin said fascism would come with a smiley face. "Smiley smiley!"
Fascism came to America 100 years ago and it was waving the same flag then as it is today: Progressivism.
Look, just because Nina Jankowitz sings show-tunes doesn't mean LGBTQ+ people like her. This here Pansexual thinks she's a Debbie Downer for any Swinger Party!
[Mayorkas] "provided no real information about what it will do or how its agents will be held accountable."
Not true. Mayorkas rapidly addressed this by clarifying that the board will "gather best practices and communicate those best practices to the operators."
I know I feel safer now.
Whoa! Greenhut is really sticking his pencil neck out this time, and going against the progressive wind. Usually, it takes him a year or more to get up the nerve to criticize his corportate masters.
Given the nutcase they've hired to front this thing, I'd say the chances of anyone taking it seriously are between slim and none.
Yeah, they'll take it really serious when you join and sing Die Horst Wessel Lied while burning witches for DGB!
Fuck Off, Witch-Burner Nazi!
How long until the Democrats move to dissolve the Senate? After all it’s just an anachronism leftover from a bygone age.
The latest rant, which includes lots of DGB:
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/the-scorpion-and-the-frog
I think its funny the author encourages the audience to not trust this board and be weary of the implications