Denver Drops Effort To Criminally Prosecute Pickleball Enthusiast Who Made Small 'X's on City-Owned Gym Floor
The city is insisting that 71-year-old Arslan Guney pay nearly $5,000 to cover the alleged costs of restoring the gym floor.

Former engineer and current pickleball enthusiast Arslan Guney will not face criminal prosecution for making some marks on a public gym floor, according to a deal hashed out between him and the city of Denver. But he will have to pay a hefty $5,000 fee and write a letter of apology to city staff.
"It's been almost two months. It's been very stressful, for my family, for me. It's amazing that we are closing this thing positively," Guney told Reason today following the brokering of his deal with the city.
Guney was arrested for felony criminal mischief in late March for allegedly defacing a multipurpose indoor court at Denver's Central Park gym owned and managed by the Denver Department of Parks and Recreation.
In fact, he had used a sharpie borrowed from Parks Department staff to draw a series of small squares around pre-existing "x"s on the court floor to better mark off a course for pickleball—a kind of oversized table tennis game similar to tennis or badminton.
At the time, Guney didn't think he was doing anything wrong. The so-called "mayor of pickleball" had been in discussions with Parks Department staff about expanding the number of hours the Central Park gym would be open for pickleball play. The department had even asked the 71-year-old to make a diagram that more clearly established where temporary, felt pickleball markers should go on the floor.
Soon after he made those markings on the gym floor to help with course setup, he received an email from Parks Department staff saying that he was barred from department-run facilities because of his supposed vandalism.
Next, he received a phone call from a Denver police detective telling him that the Parks Department had filed a criminal complaint against him and claimed that he'd caused over $10,000 in damages with his small markings.
Despite getting the pro bono help of Denver attorney Hollynd Hoskins to negotiate on his behalf, the Parks Department wouldn't budge on the criminal charges they'd requested. Guney eventually turned himself into the police. He spent 10 hours in jail and was released after being given a $5,000 personal recognizance bond.
The deal he worked out the city today means he won't be criminally prosecuted. He will nevertheless have to cover half the alleged costs of the damage he's done to the gym floor, which amounts to $4,672. Guney has started a GoFundMe to cover the fine, with any additional proceeds going to support his favorite sport.
"This was clearly a pickleball shakedown," says Hoskins, his attorney. She says that estimates she obtained show the gym floor could be restored at a nominal cost well below the city's figures.
Nevertheless, Guney says he's mostly just happy to have the whole ordeal behind him. Shortly after reaching his deal with the city, he was off to play more pickleball.
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But he will have to pay a hefty $5,000 fee and write a letter of apology to city staff.
If that's an official ruling, then that means It's A Thing(tm). If It's A Thing(tm), then why can't we get public servants to at least come into the office an apologize to the individual members of the public that they wrong? Hell, I'm not even asking for an overturn of qualified immunity, just an apology letter would be a start.
Dear Citizen,
Sorry I murdered your dog.
Detroit Police Officer
Sorry I flash bombed your baby.
why can't we get public servants to at least come into the office an apologize to the individual members of the public that they wrong?
They serve everyone else. As in not you. All individuals serve the servants.
The city should have paid for the $5,000 itself and then when they have to raise taxes or fees to cover the shortfall Reason dot com can do a pissy article about having to pay higher taxes or whatever
Exactly! This article is so lame, making it sound like the city was after him and he didn't really do anything wrong. I play BB and pickle ball at our local city community center, which has nice hardwood courts, and I can tell you I'd be pretty disappointed if some knucklehead decided he was going to use permanent marker on the court at his own discretion. Also, if you don't know this pickle ball crowd, you're a little pollyanna to think all these oldsters are innocent and just trying to do the right thing. Some of them are as pushy and obnoxious as it gets in the service of their beloved sport, so it's not unthinkable that this dude thought he could do what he wanted. Punk.
1. The marks were already in the court in marker. He just redid them.
2. It's fairly easy to get those marks off of wood which is why the employees used a sharpie the first time. Claims to the contrary and a $10k estimate is absolute bullshit.
yeah cool people should be able to do whatever they want, whenever they want, and fuck the commons. cool ideology!!!
I meant to reply to the first guy, not Mother's Lament (who thought 'Aaauggghhhh''s post was sincere, fucking idiot).
also does your ideology tell you Permanent Marker isn't fucking permanent
Fucking public employees getting a god complex. I hope whoever the spiteful fuck that pressed charges for a non crime like this ends up like sqrlsy, all fat with emphysema.
This guy starting a go fund me is kinda lame though. Pickle ball shakedown? I mean, we’re they hating on pickle ball or the dude? It just sounds like the dumbest humanity has to offer coming out of Denver.
It's not if you know what you are doing. There is an easy (and inexpensive) way to remove permanent marker marks from a hard impermeable surface.
Trace over it with a dry erase marker and the permanent marker marks will come right off.
That is correct. Dry erase marker will remove permamarker.
Have you even used a permanent marker lately? Ever since the California Prop 65 people got at them, you can wipe off sharpie permanent marker with acetone, or even spot sometimes - even on fabric!
It's so bad that sharpie has come out with a red label "really permanent" marker, but a paper towel with xylene or mineral spirits makes short work of that.
More like, the city needed to refinish the courts anyway, and found a patsy. Bastards.
Yep. Sharpie on a finished floor comes off easily with rubbing alcohol and a rag. Won't hurt the finish either.
oh cool let me come over and do it to your floors. idiot
Hard to feel sympathetic to the guy. He used a freaking Sharpie. Maybe try a less permanent solution -- masking tape or something instead?
The city employees had previously used a sharpie to mark the boundries.
Yeah. The marks were already there in marker. I wouldn't have thought twice about it.
And claiming $10k in damage for something a little sandpaper would fix smells like some sort of con.
I would have fought it through trial. How they gonna prove criminal moschief? Fuck that. Fight it all the way, win, then sue those fucks for attorney fees. All the while making a national spectacle of the jackasses who started it and the DA who filed it.
Well, it probably is government + union work. It could cost at least that. It might take one to hold the sandpaper, another to move his arm back and forth. A few people to oversee. Someone had to procure the sandpaper. There would be a study to determine the sandpaper to use, how to use it, the manpower to do this, on and on. I mean the expenses are astronomical I tell ya.
At some point I expect to welcome arrest and spending time in the slammer for actions like this. In a few years when I am not going in to work daily and don't have so many depending on me, I think the civil disobedience may get me a free meal and some entertainment. A couple of times a year for the hell of it. Officer I am guilty, take me to jail.
Doesn't even need sandpaper. Permanent marker can be removed from a hard impermeable surface by tracing over it with a dry erase marker.
"for something a little sandpaper would fix"
It won't. Gym wood floors aren't like what you have at home, and even at home it'd take a lot more than that to fix it properly. It _might_ be possible to patch-fix only the inked areas, but even that is several days work for a skilled person with expensive specialist tools - albeit most of the time spent sitting around waiting for multiple coats of varnish to dry. (I'd charge about $2k, and I tend to undercharge a bit.) It's more likely, though, that it can't be patch-fixed and the whole floor needs re-doing, which is definitely a $10k+ job.
Well, assuming it can't just be cleaned off with some kind of solvent - although that may damage the varnish underneath, taking us back to the above costs.
Agreed.
Asshole should've used tape.
He vandalized.
Give me a rag and some acetone and I'll fix it for $500.
How much union labor did you employ by doing that?
I will underbid the 5,000 cost and charge the city only 4,000.
3,500 for me and 500 for you.
Give me a rag and some acetone and I'll fix it for $500.
Acetone? $500? Give me 5, $999 dollar bottles of whiskey, a $5 bottle of isopropanol and I'll supply the rag and labor for free. Hell, even the hand sanitizer at the door would probably work. In fact, forget the rag, and the isopropanol
$500 bid. That's a good deal, but are you a minority owned business?
You are exactly right though. I can't use sharpies at work because I work with a lot of organic solvents and sharpie marks come right off. Methanol or grain alcohol will take it off too, no problem...unless the floor is waxed in which case stripping and re-waxing will take it off.
Give me a rag and a dry erase marker and I'll fix it for $50.
I hope you're insured for the damage that'll do to the surface...
Former engineer and current pickleball enthusiast Arslan Guney
He was just trying to define pickleball in terms of x.
Not a very bright engineer. Everyone knows pickleball equations require at a minimum calculus. Algebra is so white privilege
Entitled Mayor of pickleball?
Bwahahahaha
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2022/05/11/arslan-guney-mayor-pickleball-denver-rec-center-damages/
Dry erase marker will remove permanent marker from any smooth surface.
Despite the label, it's not actually permanent. There are anti-washing inks that permanently bond to the specific substrate they're applied too. Sharpies are only permanent in that they aren't water soluble.
Everything is water soluble to some extent. You can take any cubic centimeter of sea water and if you have sensitive enough equipment you can find traces of the entire periodic table.
People say this, but it depends on the permanent marker type, the dry erase marker type, and the surface.
Shoulda wrote BLM on the sidelines.
If had done that the city might have helped him burn the place down rather than letting him enjoy the facilitirs.
"Pickleball Enthusiast"
Isn't that Tony's OnlyFans username?
“Tickleball Enthusiast”
"Pickle & Balls Enthusiast"
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Those supply shortages are as manmade as the virus that allegedly caused them. Just what the fuck was LA doing with their hands in their pockets for 9 months? Who the fuck is so stupid they can’t hire some fucking help? Jesus Christ every goddamn tragedy in this country is contrived. Humans are fucking stupid.
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That looks like a nice hardwood court. It should be reserved for a real sport like basketball, as intended. Maybe volleyball or badminton on Tuesdays.
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And by foreigners, they mean anyone who holds opinions "foreign" to progressives.
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Horrific moment cop shoots 75-year-old woman with dementia dead in the doorway of her home for refusing to drop carving knives - as family who mistook the gun for a Taser breakdown when they realize the weapon is real
It will be ruled justified, the cop will get a paid vacation, a raise, a medal, and be the envy of those on the department who haven't killed anyone. Yet.
Thanks for making my day with that. And um:
Well, clearly not, or the 70 hours didn't take.
He was the de-escalation team. "Do what I fucking say you old cunt or I'll fucking kill you!" BLAM BLAM BLAM
Nothing to escalate or deescalate. Problem solved. Give the man a parade.
Well, clearly not, or the 70 hours didn't take.
Whaddyatalkinabout? He clearly gave her ~45s of "Drop the knife! Do it now!" before plugging her. That's like a 9-fold improvement in the time between the inappropriate response time.
But seriously, I'm neither here nor there in this case. I don't like that the cop had to shoot someone but people, not cops, need to find another solution. If it had been the olden days and they called the men in white lab coats with their orderlies and straightjackets and one of them got cut up in the process of sedating her, I don't know that I'd feel any better or worse about the whole affair.
"If it had been the olden days and they called the men in white lab coats with their orderlies and straightjackets and one of them got cut up in the process of sedating her,"
They could try borrowing a trank gun from animal control.
And oh shit... Las Cruces... I um, have some background---shall we say with that two-horse town.
I am sure that now the city of Denver will go after BLM protestors and hobos for damages they caused to city properties.
Divide and conquer doesn’t work like that brah
Democrats strike again.
Give me the $5k. $6 at lowes for some acetone, and I'll have it cleaned in about 3 minutes.
Again, acetone won't dissolve urethane, but good luck determining whether the floor is coated with urethane, acrylic, shellac or mixture thereof that acetone absolutely will destroy. Assuming it's been treated with any/all of them, it absolutely will come off with a swipe of methyl, ethyl, or isopropyl alcohol and, as long as it's not left to pool for hours, won't damage the floor in any way.
Submit a public records request for the invoice from the company that finished the floor. The materials used will be on there.
A week's worth of work at best, for potentially, a list of all the materials used anywhere in the building for a job that requires 10 min. worth of work, at best. Even if I were certain the invoice would tell me exactly what the floor was finished with, I'd get a q-tip and find an out-of-the-way and/or already 'damaged' spot and test it there before using it on the play surface. Even then, I wouldn't start with acetone when I should have alcohol swabs in my first aid kit and hand sanitizer at entrances/exits/restrooms.
The invoice would definitely list the material used.
He will nevertheless have to cover half the alleged costs of the damage he's done to the gym floor, which amounts to $4,672.
As always, the true motivation. While that's not the actual cost of stripping magic marker, it nonetheless probably isn't enough to cover the man hours that went into this rent seeking.
They tried to remove it but the solvent destroyed the finish and now they want to strip and refinish the floor. He admitted he was wrong and offered to pay reasonable repair damages. Too bad it's $10,000 and not $10. He could have gone to court and tried the single issue of damages. He should pay 100% and this former engineer should provide us with a list of any 'structures' like bridges or buildings he may have worked on so we can test those for integrity. '...he had used a sharpie borrowed from Parks Department ...' as if that has any relevance to what he did but let's be glad he didn't borrow a gun; otherwise Reason would surely find a way to excuse him if he committed a homicide with it. What a moron.
So what you're saying is the parks department took a 5 dollar repair and turned it into a 10,000 dollar repair by using the wrong solvent. Why should he pay for their idiocy?
No silly. . I'm simply applying common sense and logic i.e he could have taken the case to court and gotten and presented written estimates from contractors or brought similar wood stained and demostrated how easy you say it is to clean and proven that it was a $5 repair job. You wouldn't need a lawyer to do this. You knows what's idiotic? Say it's a $5.00 repair in admitted facts i.e. someone plead guilty to causing damage, agrees to pay $5,000 and waive their right to defend on the basis it's a $5.00 repair? A $5.00 repair? Based on what facts?
Common sense isn't a strongpoint of the various far right/left mouthbreathers and Putinfans round here.
Yep. Sharpie on a finished floor comes off easily with rubbing alcohol and a rag. Won't hurt the finish either.
$4,672? Did they misplace a decimal? A bottle of Goo Gone costs more like $4.67.
That's government for you.
Is this about some editors dad or grandfather?
Why is this here?
Talk about a 'local story'.
Man writes on floor, after fuss, nothing happens. Film at 11.