The Decline and Fall of the Oath Keepers
How Stewart Rhodes went from denouncing authoritarianism to urging an authoritarian crackdown

On January 13, 2022, the FBI arrested Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes for his alleged role in last year's riot at the U.S. Capitol. According to the charging documents, Rhodes and other Oath Keepers formed a "quick reaction force" ready to "rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power." He and 10 other defendants have been charged with seditious conspiracy and several other offenses, ranging from assault to evidence tampering.
Their plotting was inept, and the plan went nowhere. While several Oath Keepers did storm the Capitol on January 6, 2021, they left their guns behind; the so-called quick reaction force appears to have stayed at the hotel. The whole operation, in the words of Reason's Jacob Sullum, amounted to "a sideshow in a much broader spasm of vandalism and violence that was itself utterly futile."
But even as an unrealized fantasy, those hotheaded plans contrast sharply with Rhodes' original pitch for his organization.
When the Oath Keepers were launched in 2009, the group's central idea was simple and direct: It urged cops and soldiers to remember their oath to uphold the Constitution, and to lay down their arms if ordered to violate Americans' rights. To that end, the group circulated a list of commands its members would not obey. Some of these hypothetical orders ("to detain American citizens as 'unlawful enemy combatants'") were more plausible than others ("to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people"). But in each case, the upshot wasn't violent revolt; it was nonviolent refusal.
If you squint, you might spot a trace or two of those ideas in Rhodes' post-election scheming. (In one chat message cited in the charging documents, he pointed to the largely unarmed Bulldozer Revolution against Slobodan Milošević as a model.) But his thinking had clearly taken a turn toward violence. Rhodes reportedly said after the election that if Joe Biden took office, a "massively bloody revolution" would be in order. In another message quoted in the indictment, sent two and a half weeks before the riot, an alleged conspirator who said he had just spoken with Rhodes reported that "the time for peaceful protest is over in his eyes."
This isn't the first time a group's purpose has evolved radically. Just ask any historian of the 1960s to compare what Students for a Democratic Society was like in 1962 to what it was in '69. But while the Oath Keepers have certainly undergone their share of splits and detours since their founding, they did so while one man stayed at the group's helm. The story of the Oath Keepers' evolution is ultimately the story of Stewart Rhodes' evolution. And the last decade saw two big changes in how he viewed his organization and the world.
The first of those shifts was tactical. The group's original mission sounded like something straight from a classic text on nonviolent political action. (Pick up Gene Sharp's The Methods of Nonviolent Action and turn to method number 148: "troops, police, or both may mutiny and flatly refuse to carry out orders.") But over the course of the 2010s, the Oath Keepers started finding new methods and new missions.
In 2013, the organization started forming armed cells. These "training cadres," Rhodes told U.S. News & World Report, intended to go into communities and "train the local population in how to provide their own security and to help lead them." You can find something sort of like that in Gene Sharp too (method 198: "the creation, or acceptance, of some type of a parallel government"). But this initiative clearly involved a new relationship between the Oath Keepers and their weapons. As Rhodes' estranged wife later complained to the Los Angeles Times, they now looked like they "were running around playing army." The group was soon lending out its protective services—guarding shops against rioters in Ferguson, Missouri, in 2014, for example, and turning up as security at various right-wing protests.
Why did those protesters welcome armed guards? Not, by and large, because they were afraid of the authorities. They tended to be worried about counterprotesters, especially the ones associated with the loose left-wing network known as antifa.
That leads us to the other big change. Groups like the Oath Keepers often bristle when they're called "anti-government," since they don't oppose all government action. In the Oath Keepers' case, there's the added issue that they recruit mostly among current and former public employees. But most of their fears, in the beginning at least, involved the ways state power could be abused. To the extent that they now focused instead on nonstate groups such as antifa, some basic dynamics changed.
Those dynamics changed even more when a candidate supported by many Oath Keepers—Donald Trump—became president. It's hard to be "anti-government" if you feel committed to the head of state. And Rhodes was certainly feeling that commitment in the aftermath of the 2020 election: Fully embracing conspiracy theories that claimed the election had been stolen, he announced that "enemies foreign and domestic" were "attempting a coup."
Rhodes and company have not gone to trial yet, and we have yet to see what defense they'll offer. The government has certainly blown sedition cases before: The last time it brought such a charge, against the Michigan-based Hutaree militia in 2010, a federal judge decided there wasn't sufficient evidence that the defendants' chatter about killing cops had been more than First Amendment–protected bluster. There are, to be sure, some notable differences between that case and this one, including the fact that one of the accused Oath Keepers has pleaded guilty and agreed to cooperate with the prosecution. We'll see what a jury has to say.
But whether or not he's found guilty on any counts, Rhodes clearly has traveled a long way since the Oath Keepers began. The Capitol riot isn't even the most striking sign of that: Violent though it was, it was the sort of violence that often crops up adjacent to peaceful activism. ("Whether in 1980s Poland, Serbia in 2000, Egypt in 2011, or the ongoing situation in Belarus," Daniel Trombly noted in Foreign Policy last year, "even overwhelmingly nonviolent movements employ barricades, throw stones, brawl with cops, or ransack state buildings.") No, the strongest sign of a change was Rhodes' reaction to a different burst of unrest. During the protests and riots of 2020, Rhodes told The New Republic that the president should "call all of the National Guard units into federal service, under his command, and use them to suppress the insurrection in the streets."
Trump did not take that advice. But if he had, I sure hope some of those Guardsmen would have been willing to refuse unconstitutional orders.
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I really hope that shit eater goes the way of Hihn.
The best thing about this article is that it is not about abortion.
But it would have been best if this article had been aborted.
"Why did those protesters welcome armed guards? Not, by and large, because they were afraid of the authorities. They tended to be worried about counterprotesters, especially the ones associated with the loose left-wing network known as antifa."
Maybe there is a basis for a story about how Far Left political violence has affected our political landscape. No? Anyone?
The writers would first have to be able to define far left, but anytime they survey that side of the political landscape there is nobody there so they conclude there is no far left.
Would it be fiction? Because I have been told repeatedly that Antifa does not exist, it's just a bunch of lefties who dress alike, love masks, and are simultaneously unruly in a "summer of love" kind of way.
They exist, but are not that organized or large of a group. Doesn't mean the Leftie riots didn't happen. They did.
Ditto for QAnon. Not organized, not that large of a group. Doesn't mean the Right wing riot on Jan 6th didn't happen.
I thought Qanon was a guy, not a group. Only democrats seem to know what it is.
Brandybuck is full of shit. Antifa is a well funded group with a political agenda. There is no counter to that on the "right" except normal working class people.
Brandyshit is still trying by whatever means to justify his raging case of TDS. Dishonesty is just fine, right brandyshit?
No they aren't, go back to your basement and check again. I suggest your broaden your search engine to include more than fox news, stormfront, and bloomberg as the only sites to search.
Antifa showed up in my city in a nice charter bus. Where do you think that money came from? Certainly not from unemployed dirty hippies.
Anyway, based on your comment, you should probably commit suicide. It’s for the best.
Lmfao. It's hilarious that Bloomberg made the list given it's owned by a radical leftist billionaire who has sent tens of millions dollars to Antifa and other radical left wing violent extremist groups.
"normal" working class people.. talk about being bullshitted concerning a non-existent group!
Antifa is organized enough to show up in the same place at the same time, and somebody is pulling enough strings in the background to shut them off when needed, too. Being organized in cells isn't the same thing as not being organized.
Spit it out, we know you blame Soros on this lmfao.
If I knew who was pulling the strings, I'd say. All I can say is that I observe behavior that says somebody is coordinating things.
He funds a lot of these organizations. By his own admission. Anyway, get to killing yourself.
Considering you think Antifa doesn't exist and was invented by fucking Bloomberg of all outlets...
Shreek, seriously bub, take some fucking time off. You were never good at this, and you're getting worse by the day.
Coordinated political violence across 20 or more states involving hundreds of thousands of people murdering over 3 dozen people including multiple BLACK law enforcement officers, beating hundreds more nearly to death, and causing 3 billion dollars worth of property damage is approximately the same as 300 people walking around the US capitol building while an FBI snitch outside directs traffic and capitol police hold the doors open until a racist black cop shoots an unarmed woman in the face despite a 4-man SWAT team with automatic M4 rifles trained on her back standing less than 10 feet behind her.
BOAF SIDEZ!!!!!!!
so are you for or against black cops?
Antifa is a large, well funded group, as is BLM. We see daily that Cullors real intent was grifting money from white people with guilty consciences. However, the people on the ground, the "true believers", are the real danger. They are the white liberals with the fervor of the converted who will shoot, maim, or otherwise destroy anyone who stands in the way of their idea of "justice". One need only look at the Rittenhouse videos to see the lengths white leftists will go to assuage their guilt for imagined offenses against blacks, LGBTQWXYZ people, or whichever "persecuted" group is the flavor the week. I, and many others, saw the Jan. 6 protests turned into something akin to Pearl Harbor or 9/11 by the MSM. A hundred or so unarmed people let into the Capitol through doors opened by Capitol police dancing on Pelosi's desk and otherwise showing their disgust with the election doesn't approach the damage done over 5 days in May 2020 in Lafayette Park. BLM and Antifa supporters attempted to scale the walls to the White House with the announced intent of killing the POTUS. Sorry to break this to you, but billions of dollars of property were destroyed throughout the summer of 2020 in the name of a junkie who died at the hands of a bad cop. Thanks to bleeding heart liberals, we ended up with cities across the nation burned down, untold innocent people killed or maimed by BLM and Antifa who will never be prosecuted, yet leftists still apologize for them, or worse, act as if the rioting didn't occur. The Democrat led media still act as if there was nothing wrong with hundreds of cities burning. Now we have Pelosi and her Jan 6 "commission" holding people in solitary confinement for over a year and a half for misdemeanors. All in the name of leftists keeping Trump from running for POTUS again. There are many people on the left and right who think there were major irregularities with the 2020 election, but we are called crazy. Yet Biden's new press secretary spent 2016 to 2020 claiming the '16 election was illegitimate, that Trump was an "unpresident", claiming Stacy Abrams had the Georgia governor's election "stolen" from her in 2018, and tweeting that all white people who voted for Trump were "racists". And don't forget, according to Biden, the "UltraMAGA's" are the most dangerous people in America. Half the nation's population is now considered "dangerous" for refusing to believe the bullshit Biden's handlers instruct him to say. One can smell the desperation coming from White House from miles away.
I'm sure someone has written a story on it. But you won't find it at Reason. They wholeheartedly supported the "Summer of Love," and they think trying to bully SCOTUS into changing their ruling is just protesting.
The writers could not be anyone in the Big Media, because Big Media will only hire you if you're so far left that you see no enemy on the left.
But any honest writer would not have written this piece, which just repeats the Big Lie which says that 1/6 was an insurrection. In fact the only violence at 1/6 was by FBI and Capitol Police, many of whom infiltrated the demonstrators to discredit them, just as the FBI did at Unite the Right.
In reality, the FBI are far left just like their fellow terrorists in BLM and Antifa.
The author shows his bias when he refers to antifa as "counterprotesters" at things like the Ferguson riots. I wonder what he thinks they were "counter" to?
Then, in the next paragraph, calls antifa "nonstate", when they are clearly the brown shirts of the LieCheatSteal (democrat) party.
This story about "How Stewart Rhodes and His Swallowing of the Big Lie Stole the Oath Keepers" reminds me of another story about...
How the Bider-Grunch Stole Trumpsmas
The Bider-Grunch has stolen Trumpsmas!!! Get a grip, people, and focus on the BIGLY problems around here!!! Man the battle stations, full speed ahead, and DAMN the Lizard People AND their mind-controlled vote thieves!!!
How the Bider-Grunch Stole Trumpsmas
‘Twas the night before Trumpsmas,
And all through the lands,
Patriotic feelings were stirring our glands!
The voters ALL firmly fixed to vote RED!
Vote BLUE?!? They’d rather be dead!
Visions of Eternal Redness danced in their heads!
The Great Whitish-Orangish Pumpin-Father would soon be there!
All one-party Republican states would soon be square!
While every You Down in Youville Liked Trumpsmas a lot...
But the Bider-Grunch, who lived just north of Youville, Did NOT!
The Bider-Grunch hated Trumpsmas! The whole Trumpsmas season!
Now, please don't ask why. No one quite knows the reason.
It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right.
It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight.
But I think that the most likely reason of all,
May have been that his heart was two sizes too small.
Whatever the reason, His heart or his shoes,
He stood there on Trumpsmas Eve, hating the Yous,
Staring down from his cave with a sour, Grunchy frown,
At the warm lighted windows below in their town.
For he knew every You would vote Trump,
THIS, bigly, made the Grunch a real grump!.
"And they're preparing ballots!" he snarled with a sneer,
"Tomorrow is Trumpsmas! It's practically here!"
Then he growled, with his Grunch fingers nervously drumming,
"I MUST find some way to stop Trumpsmas from coming!"
For Tomorrow, he knew, all the You girls and boys,
Would wake bright and early. They'd rush for their toys!
And then! Oh, the noise! Oh, the Noise!
Noise! Noise! Noise!
That's one thing he hated! The NOISE!
NOISE! NOISE! NOISE!
Then the Yous, young and old, would sit down to a feast.
And they'd feast! And they'd feast! And they'd FEAST!
FEAST! FEAST! FEAST!
They would feast on You-pudding, and rare You-roast beast.
Which was something the Bider-Grunch couldn't stand in the least!
And THEN They'd do something He liked least of all!
Every You down in Youville, the tall and the small,
Would stand close together, with Trumpsmas bells ringing.
They'd stand hand-in-hand. And the Yous would start singing!
They'd sing! And they'd sing! And they'd SING!
SING! SING! SING!
And the more the Grunch thought of this You TrumpsmasSing,
The more the Grunch thought, "I must stop this whole thing!"
"Why, for four years I've put up with it now!"
"I MUST stop this Trumpsmas from coming! But HOW?"
Then he got an idea! An awful idea!
THE GRUNCH GOT A WONDERFUL, AWFUL IDEA!
"I know just what to do!" The Bider-Grunch laughed in his throat.
And he made a quick MAGA hat and a coat.
And he chuckled, and clucked, "What a great Grunchy trick!"
"With this coat and this hat, I look just like Saint Prick!"
"All I need is a Proud Boy..." The Bider-Grunch looked around.
But, since Proud Boys are scarce, there was none to be found.
Did that stop the old Grunch? No! The Grunch simply said,
"If I can't find a Proud Boy, I'll make one instead!"
So he called his cat, Chairman Meow. Then he took some red thread,
And he tied a big MAGA hat on the top of his head.
Then he loaded many bags and sacks, made ‘em all fit somehow,
On a ramshackle sleigh, and he hitched up Chairman Meow..
Then the Grunch said, "Giddap!" And the sleigh started down,
Toward the homes where the Whos Lay asnooze in their town.
All their windows were dark. Quiet snow filled the air.
All the Whos were all dreaming sweet dreams without care.
When he came to the first little house on the square.
"This is stop number one," the Grunchy fake-Trump hissed,
And he climbed to the roof, empty bags in his fist.
Then he slid down the chimney. To his fat gut, a punch.
But, if Trump could do it, then so could the Grunch.
He got stuck only once, for a moment or two.
Then he stuck his head out of the fireplace flue.
Where the little You ballots all hung in a row.
"These ballots," he grinned, "are the first things to go!"
Then he slithered and slunk, with a smile most unpleasant,
Around the whole room, and he took every vote!
This, surely, would get the You’s goat!
And he stuffed them in bags. Then the Grunch, very nimbly,
Stuffed all the bags, one by one, up the chimney!
Then he slunk to the icebox. He took the Yous' feast!
He took the You-pudding! He took the roast beast!
He cleaned out that icebox as quick as a flash.
Why, that Grunch even took their last can of You-hash!
Then he stuffed all the food up the chimney with glee.
"And NOW!" grinned the Bider-Grunch, "I will stuff up the tree!"
And the Bider-Grunch grabbed the tree, and he started to shove,
When he heard a small sound like the coo of a dove.
He turned around fast, and he saw a small You!
Little Cindy-Lou You, who was not more than two.
The Grunch had been caught by this tiny You daughter,
Who'd got out of bed for a cup of cold water.
She stared at the Grunch and said, "Lord Trump, why,”
"Why are you taking our Trumpsmas tree? WHY?"
But, you know, that old Grunch was so smart and so slick,
He thought up a lie, and he thought it up quick!
"Why, my sweet little tot," the fake Lord Trump lied,
"There's a light on this tree that won't light on one side."
"So I'm taking it home to my workshop, my dear."
"I'll fix it up there. Then I'll bring it back here."
And his fib fooled the child. Then he patted her head,
And he got her a drink and he sent her to bed.
And when CindyLou You went to bed with her cup,
He went to the chimney and stuffed the tree up!
Then the last thing he took Was the log for their fire!
Then he went up the chimney, himself, the old liar.
On their walls he left nothing but hooks and some wire.
And the one speck of food That he left in the house,
Was a crumb that was even too small for a mouse.
Then He did the same thing To the other Yous' houses
Leaving crumbs much too small For the other Yous' mouses!
It was quarter past dawn... All the Yous, still a-bed,
All the Yous, still asnooze When he packed up his sled,
Packed it up with all of their ballots… ALL of their votes!
THIS, the fake Lord Trump grumped, will get ALL of their goats!
Three thousand feet up! Up the side of Mt. Crumpit,
He rode with his load to the tiptop to dump it!
"Pooh-Pooh to the Yous!" he was Grunchishly humming.
"They're finding out now that no Trumpsmas is coming!"
"They're just waking up! I know just what they'll do!"
"Their mouths will hang open a minute or two,
Then the Yous down in Youville will all cry Boo-Hoo!"
"That's a noise," grinned the Bider-Grunch, "That I simply MUST hear!"
So he paused. And the Bider-Grunch put his hand to his ear.
And he did hear a sound rising over the snow.
It started in low. Then it started to grow.
But the sound wasn't sad! Why, this sound sounded merry!
It couldn't be so! But it WAS merry! VERY!
He stared down at Youville! The Grunch popped his eyes!
Then he shook! What he saw was a shocking surprise!
Every You down in Youville, the tall and the small,
Was singing! Without any Trump-votes at all!
He HADN'T stopped Trumpsmas from coming! IT CAME!
Somehow or other, it came just the same!
And the Grunch, with his Grunch-feet ice-cold in the snow,
Stood puzzling and puzzling: "How could it be so?"
The Grunch-light came on! “Yes! Now I know!
The Yous down in Youville, they’re really quite slow!
Their election’s been stolen, but the whole Trumpsmas glow,
Overwhelms EVERYTHING, even democracy!
They’ll lie bigly, and impose mobocracy!”
So the Bider-Grunch whipped out his cell phone,
Called the Lizard People, who send out a drone,
Mind-controlled them ALL, as is Lizard habit,
Now NO ONE could save them, not even Saint Babbitt!
So THAT’s the Sad Story of the bad Bider-Grunch,
Who stole Trumpsmas, the elections, AND your lunch!
You need a new hobby.
Or set it to music and find an attractive person to perform it on YouTubel
He’s prob on disability for being bipolar. A sack of shit would be a more welcome presence here that sqrlsy.
Very convincing sarcasmic. None of us remember the multiple times you've accidentally posted Sqrsly copypasta from your sarcasmic handle because you're a drunken fucking retard and forget which sock you're using.
You should do the world a favor and shoot yourself in the face with a .45.
EvilBahnFuhrer, drinking EvilBahnFuhrer Kool-Aid in a spiraling vortex of darkness, cannot or will not see the Light… It’s a VERY sad song! Kinda like this…
He’s a real Kool-Aid Man,
Sitting in his Kool-Aid Land,
Playing with his Kool-Aid Gland,
His Hero is Jimmy Jones,
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jim-Jones
Loves death and the dying moans,
Then he likes to munch their bones!
Has no thoughts that help the people,
He wants to turn them all to sheeple!
On the sheeple, his Master would feast,
Master? A disaster! Just the nastiest Beast!
Kool-Aid man, please listen,
You don’t know, what you’re missin’,
Kool-Aid man, better thoughts are at hand,
The Beast, to LEAVE, you must COMMAND!
A helpful book is to be found here: M. Scott Peck, Glimpses of the Devil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1439167265/reasonmagazinea-20/
Hey EvilBahnFuhrer …
If EVERYONE who makes you look bad, by being smarter and better-looking than you, killed themselves, per your wishes, then there would be NO ONE left!
Who would feed you? Who’s tits would you suck at, to make a living? WHO would change your perpetually-smelly DIAPERS?!!?
You’d better come up with a better plan, Stan!
Name one person who would care if you died sqrlsy, just one.
Yer Momma would CRY endless tears, for the lack of my services!
You owe me a new scroll mouse.
Maybe calling the other side the ones pushing the Big Lie is the actual Big Lie.
Fortunately sarcasmic is literally, actually, medically retarded, so he doesn't understand that that's exactly what the Big Lie was in the original Hitlerian construction.
He's a Fed. Seriously.
Evidence?
Or just more made up bullshit?
Well, the leader of the Proud Boys turned out to be a federal informant, so it's not exactly a totally off the wall idea. The feds apparently ARE into subverting any organization they see that looks like it might cause problems.
Another Oath Keepers leader, Caldwell, had a current security clearance, which is kind of curious unless he was working both sides.
Conspiracy theories by definition are made up bullshit without evidence.
Ah, no. Conspiracy theories, by definition, are theories about conspiracies. Nothing more or less.
Conspiracies do happen. People do have theories about conspiracies that actually happen.
Now, enough conspiracy theories are bullshit that it's perfectly reasonable to start from a presumption that any given theory is bs. But to just try to make all such definitionally bs?
Bad mistake.
It’s Sarc, so all theories that cast democrats in a negative light are bullshit. All theories that cast republicans ima negative light are absolutely true.
Sarc is against both sides of course.
Sir John Harington famously observed about treason:
"'Treason doth never prosper!' What's the reason?
Why, if it prosper, none dare call it treason."
Similarly, a "conspiracy theory" ceases to be called a "conspiracy theory" if it turns out to b accurate.
“When everybody is out to get you, paranoia just makes good sense.”
-Dr, Johnny Fever
"a psychotic is a guy who just found out what's going on"
William S Burroughs
Not sure. He may be the only oath keeper that isn't a fed. Nonetheless, the entire outfit is a fbi sting just like the proud boys.
Yeah, this. The glowing-so-bright-they-were-visible-from-space informants like Ray Epps who is on video the night of January 5th trying to recruit people to storm the capitol and correctly being called out as a Fed and shouted down are the ones who went from the FBI's "ten most wanted" list to literally never having existed.
Yep.
Who can't be threatened with having violated some bullshit law and turned into an instrument of the deep state?
I doubt that there is any right-leaning organization that isn't rife with FIB "informants".
They don't see a need to infiltrate leftist groups, however.
"He and 10 other defendants have been charged with seditious conspiracy...the plan went nowhere...they left their guns behind; the so-called quick reaction force appears to have stayed at the hotel."
I guess conspiracy is a catchall if you have bad thoughts even if you don't act on them?
Thoughtcrime is the way to go when you really, really want someone to be guilty of something, but you don't have any evidence that they actually did anything.
So it’s the go to tactic for democrats to use against their opponents.
just texting your friends to meet at a protest can now be considered a conspiracy.
... unless it is in front of a non-Leftie SCOTUS.
Then it is righteous Free Speech!
It's been that way for a long while, conspiracy law is crazy. The feds infiltrate your organization with a paid informant. He suggests you rob a bank. You tell him he's an idiot, then go to the range for your regular shooting practice.
Bingo: You were practicing shooting for the bank robbery, it's a predicate act in the conspiracy he testifies you actually agreed to!
My first reaction after seeing the photo of Rhodes: moar parrots!
The Nazi-Regime doesn't like the U.S. Constitution or Patriots who believe in it.
If you put the Constitution over the almighty Nazi's UR but committing acts of sedition and treason to their Nazi-Empire... Even if your only plan is to have a legitimate (legal) election.
Considering the people who believe in the USA (per definition) are being gunned down by Nazi-Regime operatives what does that say about the current state of the USA? One would think keeping their "oath of office" would be the right side of the law not the wrong one.
What baby?
"In another message quoted in the indictment, sent two and a half weeks before the riot, an alleged conspirator who said he had just spoken with Rhodes reported that "the time for peaceful protest is over in his eyes."
This what counts as evidence at Reason?
Right wingers thinking about violence is a terrible threat to civilization. Left wing violence does not happen, and it is good for society.
"...the time for peaceful protest is over in his eyes."
Eyes? You mean eye.
Shhhh....Don't say that! 'The Cyclops Lobby might pay us a visit! 😉
I think the relevant part is that it counts as evidence to the justice department.
Just not when it's leftist terrorist cells literally organizing terrorist attacks in the open on Facebook.
Honk honk.
no Justice , no peace. then proceeds to destroy an entire town but not an insurrection.
Nardz? Is that you?
Considering you spent 2 years telling us that there was no such thing as Antifa and that it was fascism for uniformed officers to arrest the radical left wing violent psychopaths who had spent half a year blowing up and burning down the entire downtown Portland corridor including the federal courthouse, you can go ahead and close your cock holster, sarcasmic. Run and hide under your couch with your 4 nappies strapped to your face seething like the pathetic, impotent faggot you are while your pedophile, spousal abusing, illegal gun trafficking comrades-in-arms get ventilated by a 17 year old boy.
Don't really know much about these guys but I thought this was a pretty interesting article. Thankfully we were spared the obligatory TDS. The sedition charges are obviously ridiculous. Despite all of the blather neither they nor their fellow "insurectionists" bothered to bring any weapons.
That did not stop them from procuring fully automatic assult fire extinguishers.
And not actually hitting anybody with them.
Yes, a peaceful riot where people died. But no one got hit.
The only person who died violently was murdered by police. It was an ugly, stupid, counterproductive mess, but a massive security fuckup more than anything.
Looks like two people were murdered by police.
And neither is facing charges.
Here's a lefty shit's take on it:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Murder as a preventative measure if the victim might later have done something which the lefty shit dislikes. Might have even put their feet on a desk or something!
Yeah? I guess I saw something suggesting that but wasn't sure how legit it was.
Then, bear-spraying the bejesus out the fools. And, tweeting mean stuff, too.
The plan was brilliant in it's simplicity.
I was curious about that -the alleged QRF, staying behind at the hotel, did they have the weapons they were supposed to transport? From your comment, I take it is no. If not, then the entire thing seems like another sad log on the bonfire of horseshit 6 Jan charges. Seditious conspiracy reads like an overeager DA using the most egregious charge in hopes that a lesser charge will stick. It's little wonder that folks have such enmity for the legal profession.
This should be no surprise to anyone not stuck in the kulturwar bubble. Back when Oathkeepers started they did a lot of talk about the Constitution, but they didn't seem able to express the content of the constitution. It was just a word they saluted, without understanding it. Today they're still saluting the Constitution while actively working to subvert it.
They were latecomers to the fauxtarian movement. Talk the talk, and walk a different walk. Because the Constitution is MORE than just the Second Amendment. It's also the First and the third through the thirty third. It's all that text that comes before the amendments.
Just like the modern evangelical Right that wants to pick and choose what parts of the Bible they will believe in, while ignoring the rest, the fauxtarian Right wants to pick and choose which parts of the Constitution they will honor and which they will wipe their asses on.
Yeah - when I first came across the Oath Keepers, I thought they sounded pretty reasonable. In principle they would oppose measures like extraordinary rendition.
In practice, you take a group that gets its members from a pool already self-selected to lean strongly conservative and authoritarian, and what else would one expect?
I also liked the idea of it. Could have been a really good thing if they had tried harder to keep out of politics and made explicit and consistent explanations of what orders they would refuse.
They did start out reasonable, but I suspect the feds pulled their usual "infiltrate and radicalize" schtick they do with groups they don't like. I was involved somewhat with the Michigan Militia back in the 90's, attended a few of their gun rallies. It was commonly said at the time that, if somebody started suggesting that it would be a good idea to rob a bank and start stockpiling unregistered machine guns, you'd identified your FBI mole. And needed to kick them out fast.
The idea of Police and Military not enforcing Unconstitutional orders is a great one, but what always struck me as strange were the Oath Keepers who said they wanted to join the Police or Military just so they could disobey Unconstitutional orders (???)
Why not just stay civilian and protest Unconstitutional orders instead? You'd have much more flexibility and you wouldn't have a court-Martial or firing on your record and are less likely to have a criminal record in general.
Also, civilians on the outside are in a better position to assist Police and Military members who take a stand on Constitutional principle, e.g. providing materiels and media coverage, going and raising bail for the incarcerated, protesting outside proceedings, etc.
Considering you support compulsory vaccination, gun control, political violence, and summary execution for trespassing, you can feel free to shut the fuck up about anybody being inconsistent in their support for the US constitution. Turns out the constitution is also more than a 35 year old tranny being able to discuss their favorite sex positions with a 5 year old and being able to smoke weed that's been taxed at 60%, and yet you've no enemies to the left.
Hooray for Brandybuck! (One of the few real libertarians around here.) Good job!
Yeah, Oath keepers SOUNDED so good when they started out... Ditto the Tea Party...
Nice, sarcasmic has finally found another REAL libertarian to add to his group! That's 4 now, right? Let's see, we have White Mike, cytotoxic (dba chemjeff/de oppresso liber), shreek, and now Brandyfuck. The real libertarian dream team! 2 gun control fetishists, one compulsory-gay-sex-ed-for-5-year-olds activist, an actual no-shit pedophile who got banned for posting deep web links to hardcore child pornography, and a partisan Democratic Party retard who has never had a thought that didn't originate in an ActBlue talking points PDF.
Congrats, Tulpa, your "Multi personality" disodor has now stunk up this place under the millionth posting-name!
“Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:
Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
My life is a mess,
Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
I whinny seductively for the horses,
They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
My real name is Mary Stack,
NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
On disability, I live all alone,
Spend desperate nights by the phone,
I found a man named Richard (Dick) Decker,
But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
Dick Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!
So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
Pause…
Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!
So Richard Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!
So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!
But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!
Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!
Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!
What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?
-Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
Yours Truly,
R Mac / Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan
These folks used to haunt local gun shows. One lady, in particular, was kinda' creepy: At every gun show, she would follow me, repeatedly ask me if I was a Veteran, and upon receiving my affirmative answer, she would launch into a canned lecture stating "You took an oath...".
Evidently, she often forgot that she had already given the lecture, and so her performance was often repeated two or three times per gun show.
Yeah, I mean, just look at Reason and the Cato Institute: they have gone from libertarian-leaning institutions to authoritarian establishment hacks.
When Reason decided it needed a DC office, the decline was pretty much inevitable. Can't survive in the swamp too long without growing webbed feet.
There it is
"massively bloody revolution" would be in order"
How many times have i heard the left say these exact same words even as recently as after the leaked scotus oppinion. when will they be arrested.
One little known consequence of the Students for a Democratic Society (SDS) was that when Xerox bought Scientific Data Systems, they were happy to rename them as XDS.
"...While several Oath Keepers did storm the Capitol on January 6, 2021..."
Stupid sumbitch can't spell "protested".
I don’t give a shit about these far right radicals as long as they stay out of my neck of the woods.
Let’s relocate that neck to Antarctica. Problem solved.
Why should I move? They’re the ones who come down from their shitholes to my neighborhood to cause problems.
Fuck off and die, shit-for-brains.
Hey KAR-n evil 9!!!
I know of a Gypsy Queen, who, in a glaze of vaseline, caused QUITE the scene! It might even have been obscene! In the bushes, not more than a putz from the green! I can set you up with her; together, you could STAR on my silver screen! Pay-per-view; what a SCREAM-DREAM!!! (I'll cut you in!)
No. YOU cause problems. You’re a leftist. You’re like the town drunk. Driving through my fence and wrecking up the place. Your kind need to leave, quietly and politely. Before things become…….. contentious.
It would be a shame if anything happened to you and your fellow travelers.
What makes you think I’m a leftist?
Fuck off traitor
Fuck off and die, shit-for-brains.
The below poetry is dedicated to Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo the Pedo, Hippo in a Speedo,
AKA “SmegmaLung”!
Sitting on a park bench
Eyeing little boys with bad intent
Snot's running down his nose
Greasy fingers smearing shabby clothes
Hey, SmegmaLung!
Drying in the cold sun
Watching as the frilly panties run
Hey, SmegmaLung!
Feeling like a dead duck
Spitting out pieces of his broken luck
Oh, SmegmaLung!
Sun streaking cold
A hateful man wandering lonely
Insulting others the only way he knows
Brain hurts bad as he tries to think
Goes down to the bog to spread his stink
Feeling alone
The army's up the road
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea
SmegmaLung, my friend
Don't you start away uneasy
You poor old sod
You see, it's only me
By you insulting me,
The rotting goes to thee!
Nobody reads your shit, sarcasmic. Just use lorem ipsum if your only intent is to shit all over a thread to make it less readable. It's more coherent than anything you've ever concocted on your own. Also considering you've become butt buddies with shreek's Sarah Palin's Buttplug account from which he posted dark web links to hardcore child pornography, getting himself banned and an entire article and comment section removed from Reason's servers, you should be careful who you accuse of pedophilia.
Lots of far right radicals living in your section 8 apartment building in Maine, sarcasmic?
they left their guns behind; the so-called quick reaction force appears to have stayed at the hotel.
There's a word or set of words describing the actions of someone who "leave their weapons behind and remain behind at the hotel". As soon as I can put that collection of words and syllables into a sentence, I will.
Rhodes reportedly said after the election that if Joe Biden took office, a "massively bloody revolution" would be in order.
He said that?
Who said this, and what jail is he sitting in?
“If this country doesn’t give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it. All right? And I could be speaking figuratively. I could be speaking literally. It’s a matter of interpretation,”
In another message quoted in the indictment, sent two and a half weeks before the riot, an alleged conspirator who said he had just spoken with Rhodes reported that "the time for peaceful protest is over in his eyes."
Hehe... if that's an actionable offense, then I want to see a whole bunch of BLM rioters in prison, for a very long time.
Well to be fair, that statement by Hawk Newsome couldn't possibly have landed him in jail since neither he nor any organization he has ever been affiliated with went out right after he said it and spent 12 months causing 3 billion dollars worth of property damage including vandalizing and trying to burn down a federal court house, murdering 3 dozen people, and beating thousands of others.
You know what's funny? I'm old enough to remember when bombs... literal bombs went off in this country so often it was called "Wednesday". You know who was behind those bombs? Hint: It wasn't "Oathkeepers".
It does tell you something when the people running the government see law enforcement and military personnel who take their oaths to defend the Constitution seriously as some sort of potential domestic terrorist threat.
During the Obama Administration the FBI literally had one of the 'watch-out' for terrorists items as anyone who believed in the U.S. Constitution. Not sure if it's still there.
The Oath Keepers were disaffected right-wing misfits and QAnon-class, faux libertarian stains on our society from the start.
I hope Stewart Rhodes (whose lawyer of choice just got disbarred) is in a jail cell and stays there until he is transported to prison. Insurrectionists deserve long periods of incarceration, imposed by better Americans.
Carry on, clingers. But -- as Stewart Rhodes may actually be learning -- only so far and so long as your betters permit.
Fuck off and die, shit-for-brains.
Works for this asshole bigot also.
Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo-the-Pedo, Hippo wearing a Speedo, enlightens us ALL with Wisdom from His Ass-Crack! Keep on SMOKIN’ that ass-CRACK stuff, Speedo-Hippo!!!
Some fierce and brave Truth-Speakers-Wannabes are actually whining little crybabies who want to run to Big Mommy Government Almighty's courts of law, every time that someone hurts their little baby FEELINGS, right, Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo-the-Pedo, Hippo wearing a Speedo?
https://reason.com/2021/07/18/meet-the-new-york-times-libertarian-podcaster/#comment-9001051
"Fuck off and die, asshole.”
You first! Else you're a hypocrite, advocating that others should do, what you will not! "Do as I say, and not as I do"!
Can ANYONE believe that Sevo the Pedo would be a HYPOCRITE?
Sevo the Pedo issues threats to “DOX” his trolling would-be-victims!
Sevo the Pedo, whining crybaby, once threatened to take me to the courts of Government Almighty!
Let’s see now, Super-Perv-Predator-Sevo the Pedo, hippo wearing a speedo… Apparently what the law supposedly prohibits (IF you do NOT have enough money and lawyers to defend yourself)… Is making “credible threats” against others online! So, apparently, making threats to reveal more truths about the predatory nature of the pedo habits of Sevo the Pedo ***IS*** a credible threat!
Did you think all of this through, Sevo the Pedo, with your LONG, well-documented history of being one of the biggest, most empty-headed, unfounded-accusation-makers in Gay ol’ San Fran, and on Reason.com? A hundreds-of-years-old English-style legal presumption is that one gets to confront (challenge, ask questions of) one’s accuser. Are you ready to reveal your REAL ID to all of the decent people that you have pissed off, for no other reason other than keeping on satisfying your sadistic trolling boner?
Might as well reveal your real ID NOW, Sevo the Pedo! Get it over with!
sarcasmic rushing to defend rev artie is nearly as good a look as rushing to defend the confirmed, actual, no-shit pedophile Sarah Palin's Buttplug who got his account banned after posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com. Carry on, sarcasmic, but only so far as shreek's tiny flaccid micropenis will fit past your lips.
Yeah, you’re going to make it necessary to execute you. Your trial will be quick, but not you death sentence.
Shouldn't you be pissing your pants and hiding under your bed with your 4 nappies strapped to your face waiting for a 17 year old boy to blow your pedophile brains out, shreek?
"The government has certainly blown sedition cases before: The last time it brought such a charge, against the Michigan-based Hutaree militia in 2010, a federal judge decided there wasn't sufficient evidence that the defendants' chatter about killing cops had been more than First Amendment–protected bluster. "
Um ... the fucking "bluster" WAS FROM FBI INFORMANTS.
Who is Ray Epps, Jesse?
This is the kind of sick, liberal propaganda that has causes peaceful protesters who are merely trying to hang democratically-elected representatives outside of Congress to charge a cop with a loaded gun. Reason is nothing more than sick and perverted liberal propaganda directed at peaceful protesters who are just trying to spray police officers with bear mace. For shame, Reason.com, for shame.
*yawn*…….. You done? That was boring. You’re boring. And a failure. Just a boring, failing faggot.
shreek is a perfect demonstration of why the left can't meme. He's also a perfect example of how the left is composed nearly entirely of pedophiles. You will recall that he got his Sarah Palin's Buttplug handle banned after posting dark web links to hardcore child pornography at Reason.com.
So, some guys went around "playing army" or making claims you disagree with or using language you don't like. What did they actually DO that was illegal?
The only Oathkeeper that actually DID anything illegal on January 6th was Ray Epps, who promptly disappeared from the FBI's most wanted list mere hours after leftist Twitter doxxed him.
Ctrl-f
"Ray Epps"
Zero results
Lmfao.
From the FBI's ten most wanted to literally disappearing from any and every government database. Nothing to see here, folks. Just a bunch of racisty racists who racist and, uhhhhhh, insurrection.
"Rhodes and other Oath Keepers formed a quick reaction force ready to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power. * * * Their plotting was inept, and the plan went nowhere. [T]hey left their guns behind; the so-called quick reaction force appears to have stayed at the hotel. The whole operation ... amounted to a sideshow ... that was itself utterly futile."
"Jesse Walker and his associates formed a quick moving association ready to apprehend and molest children, in support of their larger aims at creating a massive pedophile network. Their plotting was inept, and the plan went nowhere. They never actually attempted to abduct or molest any children. The operation amounted to a sideshow that was itself utterly futile."
See how easy that was?
"Lawful transfer of power?" What in the actual fk is lawful about hiding jHoe's afghan pederast heroin cartel from the public usinf all but perfectly honest coverup methods? The people had a right to know if one of the candidates sat in the whitehouse vp chair the whole while they funded, hid, and guarded the scumbyest representation of human filth history has ever seen. The people had a right to know they're were potentially voting for a most heinous third degree warcriminal. And then after that, what's lawful about arbitrarily disregarding substantial evidence of election tampering?
An how in the actual fk did anyone get away with saying heroin cartels were just a conspiracy theory? The whole 2020 election looked like painted puke face.
No way. Not cool. "Lawful transfer of power." Never going to hear some shit like that. Reads like gaslighting.
what's lawful about arbitrarily disregarding substantial evidence of election tampering?
60+ cases, even Trump-appointed judges (including SCOTUS appointments) didn't find election tampering.
All hat, no Kraken.
I want the whole federal government subject to random supervised drug tests. Not just the house, senate, whitehouse, and judiciary. Im specifically demanding the whole state department(overseas or otherwise), the whole fbi(including any janitors), and whatever the actual fk that underground city in kansas is supposed to be. Every single one of those kansas bastards have an elvis colon as big as a 9mo pregnant woman.
why wait for mythical abortion riots? why aren't you out killing your enemies now?
pussy