The Media and Big Tech Covered Up These Stories. Where's the Reckoning?
Left-leaning outlets and tech giants tried to label them disinformation—until they no longer could.

President Joe Biden says he never talked business with his son.
Maybe he didn't.
Maybe that Ukrainian gas company paid Hunter Biden half a million dollars because he has unique business skills that no one else noticed.
It's possible.
But unlikely.
Now a Justice Department investigation may tell us whether Hunter is a sleazy opportunist who broke the law and whether his father knew, or even helped.
But equally revealing is the arrogance and bias the reporting on Hunter's laptop revealed among wide swaths of media and big tech gatekeepers.
Even today, most will not admit they were wrong.
The New York Post broke the laptop story near the end of the presidential campaign. The story was explosive, of course, and the media pile-on intense. Some piled on Hunter Biden, but more piled on the Post. They questioned the authenticity of the hard drive and the timing and accuracy of the story.
Twitter blocked the story from even being shared. Facebook hid the story. Politico said it might be "Russian disinformation." A Washington Post column called it "laughably weak." A New York Times piece labeled it "farcical retread of the Russian hack-and-leak operation that helped torpedo Hillary Clinton's presidential aspirations." The story was mocked and buried.
Now, a year and a half later, the Post and Times admit that major parts of the story were accurate.
Do you know what they haven't said?
"Sorry. We cannot stand the idea of another Trump term, so we didn't report on bad things Democrats did."
The Washington Post finally wrote that the way the media handled the story was an "opportunity for a reckoning." But then they spent the rest of their editorial making excuses for their mistakes.
No one was fired.
No one was suspended.
No policy was changed.
This is nothing new. For months, Facebook blocked any mention of the theory that COVID-19 may have been leaked from a lab. Most media sneered that it was "fake news." The Washington Post called it "a fringe theory." The New York Times, a "conspiracy theory." PolitiFact rated it "Pants on Fire!"
Only when the Biden administration said there might have been a lab leak did Facebook drop its censorship.
Did Facebook say, "Sorry? We shouldn't censor such important discussion?"
No.
Did we see apologetic commentaries on CNN and MSNBC?
I must have missed them.
Maybe none of this is a big deal to you, but it's a big deal to me.
I make my living posting videos on digital platforms. I made two videos that suggested fears about climate change are overblown.
I didn't say climate change isn't real.
I didn't say it won't cause problems. In fact, I said it's already caused problems.
But because I said the fear might be overblown, Facebook's climate-activist "fact-checkers" make sure fewer people see my work.
I once got millions of views on Facebook. Not anymore.
Nothing I'd said in my climate videos was wrong. In one case, Facebook's own fact-checker admitted that I didn't get any facts wrong. Still, Facebook continues to smear my work as "partly false."
They even quote me saying something I never said!
Yet even after I point that out, Facebook will not make a correction.
Facebook, Twitter, The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNN, NBC, Poynter Institute "fact-checkers," and most of the elite media are now part information-sharers, part leftist interest groups.
I'm neither Democrat nor Republican. I don't obsess over whether Hunter Biden got paid to do sleazy things and whisper in his father's ear. If he did, I doubt that he had much influence, anyway.
I feel far more threatened when America's Big Media don't report facts, don't speak up when censors are wrong, and don't remove mistakes when they're caught making them.
Apologizing for mistakes is something we teach little kids to do. Is that too much to ask of our media and social media giants?
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Welcome to the wonderful world of fascist propaganda!
(and by the way, you are a republican, even if you don't know it)
Republicans are absolutely fascists. Democrats are absolutely communists. The two differ only in one nominal organizational detail. Anyone who thinks Stossel is any one of those things, has got his head planted firmly up his ass.
List the actual fascist portions of Republican ideology? We'll wait.
Tax cuts?
Should we tell him that the model for most of the New Deal social programs came from Fascist Italy and Germany? Or that Fascism was an outgrowth of progressivism, which at the time had both right and left wing proponents. Or that American Conservatives are most closely ideologically aligned with European Liberal parties? And are only labeled conservative because conservative is used to describe an ideological belief that conserves the tenets of the past, and America was founded as a classically liberal country? And that most conservatives in America would be considered left of center in Europe?
Should we also tell him that American abortion laws are more liberal than those of France?
Or that the Mississippi law is still more liberal than France's? And only a week less liberal than England's?
The thing is, we live in a world where a former president of the United States can say that it’s easier to buy a gun than a book and he isn’t laughed at.
My local gun store and pawn shops was doing gangbusters during the Obama admin, but the local Barnes and Nobles had to shut down, so I guess he had a point.
Because I am betting he can't. I'll list a few. Small government and low taxes and less regulations, kind of the opposite of fascism. Individual liberties and individual responsibility? Yeah again not fascist. Law and order? Not particularly uniquely fascist. Strong borders and legal immigration over illegal immigration? Again not really fascist, as fascist really didn't respect borders and weren't really for any immigration except for repatriation of people who descended from previous residents of their countries. School choice? Not fascist, opposite of fascism. Free market? Opposite of fascism, which believed in private ownership strongly controlled by the government, so the opposite of free markets. Even if you believe all conservatives are Christian, a quick search would show that Fascist wanted to replace Christianity with a worship of the state.
Small government and low taxes and less regulations
Individual liberties and individual responsibility
Law and order
School choice
Free market
Where is this mythical Republican Party? I'd like to meet them.
The real party, not the straw man you love to argue about and demonize and then accuse others of being tribalists. I've already caught you bald faced lying today, so run along you dishonest piece of shit.
The real party
Is that so. Well, let's see. Just off the top of my head:
Small government
Do you mean the party that routinely votes for even greater defense spending than even the generals want?
Do you mean the party that voted to spend tax money to create a completely stupid and gigantic wall in the fucking desert?
Do you mean the party that voted to create the Department of Homeland Security and the Space Force?
Do you mean the party that voted for the SECOND round of COVID stimulus checks, that Trump thought was even too small?
Do you mean the party that never managed to close a single government agency even when they had total power?
low taxes
Do you mean the party that voted to raise taxes on Americans in the form of tariffs on goods from China, and then routinely lied about them by claiming that they were actually taxes paid by the Chinese?
Do you mean the party for which a US Senator just recently proposed raising federal income taxes on about half of Americans, because he thought every citizen should have "skin in the game"?
less regulations
Do you mean the party that wants to regulate and/or ban what parents, doctors and children might decide to do, if it has something at all to do with transgenderism?
Do you mean the party that wants to regulate abortion out of existence?
Do you mean the party that wanst to increase regulations on employers, banks, landlords, and basically anyone who might have the temerity to do business with someone lacking the correct government permission slips to be in the country?
Individual liberties
Do you mean the party that so strongly believes in freedom of speech that they want to make it a crime to insult a cop?
Do you mean the party that so strongly believes in freedom of the press that their most recent president wanted to "open up the libel laws" because he was mad about how the media reported on him?
Do you mean the party that so strongly believes in freedom of religion that their most recent president wanted a "total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States"?
Do you mean the party that so strongly believes in property rights that their most recent president couldn't contain his effusive praise for eminent domain?
Do you mean the party that so strongly believes in the right to life that they support the death penalty?
Law and order
Do you mean the party that demands swift prosecution and punishment for those committing crimes on Jan. 6, and don't, say, make excuses for them, calling them "mere tourists", accusing Biden of creating "political prisoners" out of them, holding rallies in their support or defense, no, none of that, right?
Do you mean the party that claims to support the law and the Constitution when it comes to certifying the results of elections, right up until their preferred candidate loses, then they concoct and propose schemes to try to overturn the result, such as declaring martial law/states of emergency, having the military seize voting machines, completely inventing a power of Congress to investigate state-run elections at the last minute to try to stop the process, and otherwise bend and stretch to the point of breaking the law and the Constitution so that their candidate remains in power?
School choice
Do you mean the party that wants state legislators to micromanage what teachers do and say in the public school classroom, out of fears of "indoctrination"?
Free market
Do you mean the party that turned the tariff scheme that they created into an entire cronyist enterprise to reward the politically connected with "tariff relief"?
Do you mean the party that cannot stand that its preferred social media platforms cannot compete with the Googles and the Facebooks, so they want the government to regulate and/or nationalize Big Tech?
And that's just off the top of my head. So please, put down the Team Red talking points and join us here in the real world about what the Republican Party actually is.
Yeah you're so fucking dishonest that you cherry pick examples that you disagree with and then misrepresent all of them to fit your narrative. You're already been proven to be a liar this morning, so fuck off. It's totally tribalism on your part. Anyone to the right of AOC is evil, we know your schtick. You're just a dishonest piece of shit, who can't help but misrepresent the actual facts to demonize Republicans and the right at every fucking turn.
Oh, look who is mad that I cited *actual examples* of the Republican Party betraying their supposed commitment to their bumper-sticker platitudes of "limited government and individual liberty". Grow up and stop being so defensive about a political party that doesn't love you and only desires your vote so that they can have power, not that they really actually like you or anything.
Die, groomer
The Republican Party is not your hero. Deal with it.
Your post is ridiculous chemjeff. Great example of all-or-nothing logical fallacy - if something's not perfect it must be absolutely terrible.
The Republican party isn't perfect when it comes to upholding liberty and freedom.
The Democratic party is still 1000X worse.
Republicans didn't ban people from practicing religion, educating their children, running businesses, etc - during 2020-21 like the Democrats did.
Republicans aren't trying to have every major communications outlet shut down all unaccepted opinion as "misinformation" or "hate speech".
Your post is ridiculous chemjeff.
Really. What's the "ridiculous" part? Which part is inaccurate? Point it out.
Great example of all-or-nothing logical fallacy - if something's not perfect it must be absolutely terrible.
It is actually the opposite. I am not saying the Republican Party is "absolutely terrible". I am however pointing out that their simplistic bumper-sticker sloganeering of "low taxes, limited government, individual liberty, blah blah blah" leaves out a LOT of details and facts about what they actually do. I'm going to continue to believe that Reason ought to do better than simply repeat talking points from either party.
The Republican party isn't perfect when it comes to upholding liberty and freedom.
The Democratic party is still 1000X worse.
Well, "isn't perfect" is a polite way of saying "is quite bad". But you know what? We don't have to choose between only two teams! We have more choices than that. EVEN IF your claim that the Democratic Party is "1000X worse" was objectively true in some manner, we DON'T have to settle for the bumbling, incompetent, corrupt, idiotic demagogic morons who currently run the Republican Party. We are free to choose other alternatives that are more faithful stewards for the ideals that we like. Don't fall for the false Team Red/Team Blue dichotomy.
Republicans didn't ban people from practicing religion, educating their children, running businesses, etc - during 2020-21 like the Democrats did.
Umm, many actually did. Only one state did not issue a statewide lockdown order in 2020. That means 49 states did, including a lot of red states.
Republicans aren't trying to have every major communications outlet shut down all unaccepted opinion as "misinformation" or "hate speech".
You're right! They aren't trying to do that. Good for them! Thankfully, there are others - let's call them libertarians - who are ALSO not trying to "have every major communications outlet shut down all unaccepted opinion" and who don't also have the baggage that Republicans carry. So why settle?
I don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
Yes, school choice is letting parents decide what school the kids go to, and having a voice in their education, which you're well aware of, but you have to fucking lie again about what the bill actually does, so you can diss on the Republicans. You are nothing more than a dishonest, lying sack of shit, and not worth the time to actually debate meaningfully because all you'll do is lie over and over again, and then claim you are an individualist. Fuck off, I'm done with you.
I really, really, don’t call him Lying Jeffy for nothing.
You could always go look at platforms and statements from the party.
But you were against tax cuts.
You claimed trumps deregulation were wrong.
You refuse to acknowledge the signed first step act.
You ignore all sorts of shit while pushing leftist narratives.
That was pretty much Trump.
The Republican party that was big government and big regulation was the Mitt Romney's and Liz Cheney's.
Both of whom you've you've held up here as your ideal Republicans.
Trump was the most libertarian president since Reagan.
Shorter Chem Jeff:
I like being a "Progressive" cuz it sounds totes awesome.
Unless you actually believe having a border = Nazism.
The vast majority of democrats and leftists labelling Trump and the republicans as Fascists have absolutely no idea of what fascism is.
They are proudly and aggressively ignorant, and fully plan on staying that way.
https://www.thefreedictionary.com/
a. "A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, (and) violent suppression of the opposition..."
This is precisely what the current administration is working towards. It will get worse as the November election gets closer.
Massive military spending
Censorship of speech on traditionalist grounds
De facto government ownership of business through "industrial policy"
Disagreement often called treason
Hatred of foreigners
Strong surveillance state
Total police immunity
Need I go on?
Well, okay, Republicans don't hate white foreigners, who are far more likely to be Marxists than nonwhite foreigners.
Where in the Republican platform are those mentioned and how are they fascist? You make a claim, back it up. Move it.
WTF does a platform have to do with anything? Oh, you judge politicians on what they say, not what they do? How adorable.
One example is you have an extraconstitutional federal work-permitting bureaucracy, which is gargantuan in its market intervention (read: fascism), invasiveness, and expense, solely because you hate Hispanics. But you really don't care if English or Australian or German folks have their papers to be here, despite those being the ones who want to ban guns, mutilate kids, and impose full communism -- not the Ecuadorian fruit vendor on the corner.
The Ecuadorian fruit vendor on the corner in Ecuador, sure, but he isn't going to go through whatever rigamarole it takes to come here, "legally" (because constitutionally, immigrants are as "illegal" as modern guns, despite both being banned) or not.
The media knew they promoting lies when they were putting out article after article regarding the Trump/Russia "collusion. The media knew the Hunter Biden laptop was true. However, it was more important to get rid of Trump than to report the truth on these matters. Therefore, they all colluded to suppress reporting on the laptop while promoting (and still promoting) things such as the Alpha Bank/Trump towers communications.
A pox on them all!
"I, I, I, me, me, me"
Stossel, sorry the "misinformation fact-checking" industry reared its ugly head at you. I guess now that you've had a taste, you'll be against this sort of thing in perpetuity, right? Probably not.
Stossel has been consistent for several years in criticizing the media for it's ideological tilt and opposition to the principles of Free Speech. It's one of the reasons he left ABC.
He was speaking on this subject back when he was a frequent guest on the O'Reilly Factor in the early 2000s.
And while Reason's libertarianism has shifted with the winds, Stossel's libertarianism has been consistent.
He's about the only real libertarian and only writer with common sense really left on this rag.
Yep.
Tell us you don't know who John Stossel is without saying, "I don't know who John Stossel is".
OK. Just for the sake of argument, let's assume Hunter Biden is shady enough that his father would have lost the election if more voters were aware. Let's also assume the intelligence community, big tech, and most of the mainstream media conspired to bury evidence of this shadiness.
As a Koch / Reason libertarian my question is, would that necessarily be a bad thing?
After all, Koch-funded libertarians wanted Biden to win. Because he was clearly the best candidate according to our most important criterion — "Who will be more sympathetic to the billionaire agenda?" IMO the fact that Biden's first year saw the 10 richest Americans gain a combined $324 billion is more than enough to retroactively justify suppressing the laptop story. (Though I still believe Hunter is squeaky clean.)
#LibertariansForBiden
But, wasn’t trump a billionaire?
A phony billionaire, maybe. He inherited his money.
Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch, OTOH, got there the right way.
From low cost immigrants, amirite?
Reason.com's benefactor Charles Koch, OTOH, got there the right way.
His Dad was even named Fred too!
A billion is a thousand million, not a few hundred million. Why can't people even count anymore?
It's a parody. New here huh?
Sshhhhh! Let him argue. Sometimes it's fun to see what happens when they don't get the joke.
Joke is right.
Dry humor isn't easy to tell spoken by definition, let alone by text. Nonetheless, I can't throw stones at it, myself!
So, one has to wonder how much they've also gotten away with, that hasn't ever come to light.
Are the Hunter Laptop and the COVID Lab-Leak theory merely tips of the iceberg that have only been exposed because the media has become overconfident or complacent in their ability to deceive the people at will?
Masks and vaccine efficacy, dead from Covid, transitory inflation, the list goes on.
It's not new, remember NBC rigging up Chevy Silverados to catch fire? Or CNN cut editing shooting a cinder block with an AR-15 to make it appear the AR was shredding the cinder block but a bolt action rifle of the same caliber couldn't, and therefore ARs were more powerful? Or the national news reporting on citizens of Bonners Ferry supporting Randy Weaver because he was a white supremacist, not because of the actual facts of the situation? Or that the Branch Davidian committed mass suicide after a standoff with the FBI, because they were a dangerous end of times cult that had the local law enforcement scared? Or the selective editing of the Rodney King video, which left out most of the video and all of the context (while the cops actions I believe weren't justified but did arguably create reasonable doubt) directly led to the LA riots after the jury returned a not guilty verdict?
All that was fake, but accurate.
+1
Yeah. When Comey gave us the October Surprise, I don't think we had an idea of the whole iceberg. At this point, we probably still haven't seen every facet but it's pretty well documented that Democratic Administrations either side of the Obamas were taking foreign funds (from China) and using domestic intelligence agencies to attack political rivals with relative impunity. I mean, maybe Soros or the WEF put some money into the mix or nudged some people into the right places but enough mass to steer the self-licking iceberg seems pretty far fetched.
We also have a government that is willing to imprison you forever if you don’t plead guilty to garbage charges.
We finally had one January 6th defendant acquitted today in a bench trial. The judge found that the Capitol police had invited him into the building.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-acquits-federal-defense-contractor-jan-6-charges-rcna23245
Just because you were invited doesn’t mean you aren’t an insurrectionist.
It also doesn’t mean you aren’t a vampire.
And it only took 18 months to get to this point. How insane is this. Not a peep about it from Reason.
Why, It’s almost as if they aren’t actually libertarian at all.
Yes, almost.
15 months, exactly, being April 6th.
(At least insofar as the word "exact" applies to a unit of measurement with that much variance.)
Media; the only thing I trust less than government
? What's the difference?
About five letters.
Are they paid with taxes?
Hunter wasn’t whispering in Dads ear, he was on Air Force Two and paying 10% to the Big Guy
People are starting to wonder about 2017's payouts to Joe and jill Biden that are predicated on book sales. How did Jill make 3 million for 7000 copies sold? How did Joe make 13 million for 60k copies sold?
Book deals are the new back door bribery laundering. Pay huge amounts that no other first time writer ever gets paid. Have several activists order massive numbers of copies to get it on the best seller lists, and drive up royalties, and use it to launch your presidential ambitions.
The S Corp taxes were never released. It was disbursed in 2017 and they released their individual taxes from this release. The numbers cited above are very close to the estimated payments Hunter Biden has now been linked to in the 3 years Joe was VP.
And brother Jim was getting 10%. And Hunter was getting 20%.
Pretty big chunk for the Bidens.
Fuck Joe, Hunter, Jim and Jill Biden.
People would be very wise to get off facebook and sign up for Gab, Streetloc, MeWe or MySpace. There's a difference that everyone can make without even leaving home.
I deleted FB and Twitter accounts when they both shutdown the NY Post for reporting the news. I haven't participated in the fantasyland of either one since.
"...Maybe that Ukrainian gas company paid Hunter Biden half a million dollars because he has unique business skills that no one else noticed..."
Henny Youngman wants his material back.
https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1511768607977525248?t=gkPDIIA3fD77flx9opSL8Q&s=19
Twitter suspended former UN weapons inspector @RealScottRitter for the tweet below.
Twitter claims Ritter committed “abuse and harassment.” He was obviously targeted because he threatens the narrative.
He appealed the suspension but we must demand @Twitter bring him back.
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https://twitter.com/FiorellaIsabelM/status/1511755121746755586?t=TDPrhR7pgb2Ehv-_7aerag&s=19
BREAKING Scott Ritter, former Marine Corps intelligence officer has been suspended. The NYT just released an article about how Twitter will be cracking down on any dissent on Russia-Ukraine. It didn’t take long.
Why should the ministry of truth
tolerate dissent?
You may have some valid points here, but please get your terminology correct. COVID-19 couldn't have leaked from a Chinese lab because COVID-19 is not the virus. It is the syndrome that develops in a suitable host. What you are referring to is a novel coronavirus, specifically SARS-CoV-2. Carry on.
Or "The Communist Chinese Virus".
It's like the difference between HIV and AIDS. I tend to be pendantic, especially in regards to science but this is one I rarely get excited about.
Yoohoo, it's WuFlu.
https://twitter.com/aliceysu/status/1511558828802068481?t=b1Rhg915L-rp04UIhDRx8Q&s=19
As seen on Weibo: Shanghai residents go to their balconies to sing & protest lack of supplies. A drone appears: “Please comply w covid restrictions. Control your soul’s desire for freedom. Do not open the window or sing.”
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The "reckoning" is where it is supposed to be when it comes to the market - people vote with their wallets and their feet. In this case, they vote with their keyboards and their eyeballs. If enough people think that Twitter's actions with regards to the Hunter Biden laptop story were so egregious, then they will voluntarily leave and Twitter's competitors will prosper at Twitter's expense. I don't follow the social media market that closely, is Gab/Parler/etc. growing and Twitter shrinking? If so, then that is your market-based "reckoning".
How would they know to leave in an information vacuum?
And when the market colludes to kick off competitors and "bad people" oh well right?
Oh wait. You aren't actually pro free markets.
How is that going to stop DNC corporatist censorship? Tell me which media company isn't majority owned by Blackrock?
The "reckoning" is where it is supposed to be when it comes to the market - people vote with their wallets and their feet.
That's why we need public funding of media, because the feet are walking away.
If people walk away, we'll take it over and drive it through their livingrooms.
And if they keep walking away, we'll just get Big Tech trillionaires to shove money into our pockets
Hint, this is called "community funding"... when billionaires give you money.
And when we go even harder left, we'll just demand Federal Funding!
And if THAT doesn't work, we'll go with Publicly Funded NEWS VOUCHERS by ripping the money out of the unwashed, unwilling public's hands and stuffing it in the pocket of the dying journolists.
I mean, there are SO many clever ways of divorcing the crumbling media from to right-wing market forces and just cementing it in place by the barrel of a gun!
These people don't even realize how to fix 'the dying industry' -- stop making the advertisers your focus and instead focus on the readers. Plenty of people are doing well simply telling the truth on Substack.
and instead focus on the readers.
But this is also part of the problem, when "the truth" and "what the readers want to read" come into tension.
You've never cared for the truth. You pushed 2+2=5 for a summer.
That's the whole point of a paid subscription service, you fat moron.
Now you are starting to see the problem. The subscribers are expecting a particular type of service for their subscription dollars. In the world of news, this has largely turned into the service of feeding narratives. Only sometimes does that service constitute "reporting facts" or "delivering the truth". See the problem now?
You're seriously complaining because Substack writers produce content their readers want and are willing to pay for, yet simp for the Tech Trust and mass media suppressing a story that might hurt a Democratic presidential candidate's election chances?
Go back to your Twinkies and Mountain Dew bottles, shitheap, you have no fucking principles except "it might hurt my lefty neighbors feelings."
I'm beginning to think that you are not bright enough to understand the larger abstract issue here, and can only think in simplistic tribalistic terms.
I'm beginning to think your so-called "principles" are merely based on whatever your lefty neighbors are bitching about at the time, which is why you constantly simp for them.
Note that when chemfat is presented with new information from sources other than ones he favors--such as black supremacist ones like The Root-- he immediately resorts to well-poisoning. But he's all about "ideas," don't you know.
Didn't several employees of Twitter quit after Musk became the biggest stock owner and was put on the board because he wants free speech? Didn't the market conspire to shut out parler and other competition that offered freer speech? Yeah, what else would you expect from a verified liar.
https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1511770467979378693?t=m91PO0_Jk8JDOFWc1ekYHQ&s=19
There are prominent Democrats who admire China’s lockdowns and want this for you.
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How about we actually deal with what Hunter's laptop means, instead of trying to shame a media that obviously has no shame?
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/now-that-were-done-pretending-hunters?s=w
Check out Stossel over here looking for accountability. Good luck with that. The only thing they learned is that they could get away with it.
Why do you care? I mean, you've made it quite clear that you get your news from non-mainstream sources anyway. What does it matter to you if NYT lies? You don't read them anyway. Sure, other people might, and be misinformed, but then again, that is one of the prices we pay for having a First Amendment - everyone is subject to caveat emptor when it comes to their news consumption choices.
When is the last time your random political Youtube commentator apologized for being wrong about something?
When was the last time anyone in the right-wing news infotainment/grifting complex apologized for any of their insane drivel they publish about anything?
When did Joe Rogan apologize for being wrong about COVID vaccines?
That is also one of the problems with the subscription model for news, that information providers have now mostly adopted. Now, they are not beholden to "the truth" as an abstract value, they are more tangibly beholden to the interests and desires of their subscribers. And so they are going to deliver the news that their subscribers demand, since they are paying the bills. So of course NYT readers are going to hear gobs of TrumpManBad stories because that is what NYT readers want. Of course Breitbart readers are going to get gobs of stories about JOE BIDEN IS A PEDOPHILE since that is the type of "news" that they want. Let's be honest, I know you are quite a fan of Glenn Greenwald, but the moment he were to say "hey you know, maybe CNN Isn't so bad after all", you would tune him out and run to the next content provider ready eager and willing to reinforce all of your biases and everything you want to hear.
So there is not going to be any sort of "accountability" to any type of objective standard of truth for ANYONE, NYT included, because that is not what drives news outlets anymore. The only accountability that is going to occur is to an outlet's subscribers. And we have seen over the past 8+ years now, that what the readers and subscribers really want, is to be entertained and to be fed pleasing lies. And so that is what we are going to get.
"Of course Breitbart readers are going to get gobs of stories about JOE BIDEN IS A PEDOPHILE since that is the type of "news" that they want"
Watch 30 seconds of this C-Span footage and tell us again that Joe isn't a pedophile, you lying fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XqF4wA-dco
I want him to cite breitbart doing that.
Yeah you would excuse lying after getting caught lying today. Fuck off.
And before you deny it, I direct everyone to today's hit and run, and you can read the posts by Jeffy about the supposed white supremacist running as a Republican after he posted several times whining about people labeling the left by pointing to fringe elements, and then his response when I pointed out he just did exactly what he was whining about and then his gaslighting that it wasn't what he was doing, and then decide who is telling the truth here. We already know he denies he said something even after people post the actual quotes, but don't take my word for it, check it out yourself. And see what a dishonest fuck Jeffy is.
He called overt a liar in the thread prior to the despite overt linking his past moral preening.
Jeff has no morals. Just a leftist narrative pusher.
I just muted the lying sack of shit, because he is no longer worth my time. It's telling I muted Jeffy but haven't yet muted Sarc or Tony. I have no patience for hypocrites or liars and he is both.
And I could fucking care less if he insults me for muting him. I have lost any iota of respect I ever had for him after this morning.
You still had respect for him? He has always been this way. And sarc is following him like a lost little puppy for some reason.
Frankly, to tell you the truth, I hadn't seen him post in so long I frankly felt he had ran away after getting exposed so often for his blatant dishonest tactics.
If you mute him, you can’t remind everyone that he’s Lying Jeffy. And the more people that call him what he is, the better this board is.
There’s all sorts of different levels of abrasive people here. And it’s easy to ignore those that go over whatever line you may have. But consistently dishonest people are more toxic than the biggest of assholes, because they suck people into conversations that they’re not actually interested in having.
What r u..., 12-yrs old?
The Phucko Knows
Well well, look who is upset tonight.
It is not my fault Lara Loomer decided to run for office as a Republican. And yes I think calling her a "white nationalist" is absolutely fair, considering what she has done, not just in that one interview with American Renaissance and Jared Taylor, but also with her anti-Muslim bigotry, palling around with Identity Europa, etc.
And here is what I did NOT do:
I did NOT say "all Republicans are white nationalists".
I did NOT say ""The Right" are fine with white nationalism".
I did NOT make some broad-brush sweeping generalization about Lara Loomer's specific politics and applying it to everyone who is a conservative or Republican.
If you don't like it that Lara Loomer is running as a Republican, then maybe you should speak more loudly against it and advocate for people not to vote for her. She is not merely some crackpot now, she is actually running for office and seeking real power. 157k Republicans actually voted for her in the last election. I don't think all 157k of them are white nationalists like she is, but she did earn their vote anyway. That really is disturbing.
And here's the part you really don't want to hear: there actually is a part of the Republican Party that IS receptive to Lara Loomer's message. Jared Taylor is said to be on the 'alt-right', not the 'alt-left' after all. It is NOT the entire party. It is NOT every single Republican. It is NOT "The Right" broadly. But it is there, and IMO people like you, who identify as at least right-wing-adjacent, should do more to denounce it and speak up against it. They won't listen to me, they might listen to you.
So, sorry not sorry if the truth makes you uncomfortable.
Lol. You got taken the woodshed over the claim and you repeat it here? You honestly are a fucking retarded leftist shit.
I asked people to judge for themselves, who is speaking the truth, me or Jeffy. I'll stand by their judgement because I am quite certain the facts are self evident. Jeffy would rather not have others actually read the thread because he knows he is and was lying. And he is twisting the facts to suit his preconceptions and biases and bigotry rather than accepting them for the reality of the situation. But of course he claims everyone else is attacking him, rather than admit he is a disingenuous partisan piece of shit, to dishonorable to admit what is self evident to almost everyone else, except two or three individuals who use the same tactics. They were circle jerking each other this morning again on Hit and Run. It's funny to watch them claim to be the only True Scotsman in the comment section. Have the abandoned the puerile Mean Girls insult?
For some reason, you decided to take it very personally that I specifically mentioned that Lara Loomer the white nationalist is running for office as a Republican in Florida. To my recollection you don't even live near Florida. Why take it so personally? Who is being the tribalist here?
If that makes you angry, not that there are white nationalists claiming to represent the Republican Party and its agenda, but at ME for pointing it out, I think you need to reflect a little bit on where that anger is coming from.
I also think you need to consider the fact that there is a white nationalism problem in the Republican Party. It is not the ENTIRE party, it is not "The Right", it is not every Republican everywhere, but it is there. People like Lara Loomer, Jared Taylor, Nick Fuentes, they have a following on the right, and it is nowhere near a major following for sure, but it is there, and it is not a good look for your team. Maybe tell them that they don't belong in your party? They won't listen to me, but they might listen to someone like you.
And it's pretty rich that you are willing to "stand by their judgement" of people who don't like me because of petty childish disagreements. I will absolutely admit: I tend to be arrogant, elitist and pretentious, and that turns a lot of people off. But I also am thoughtful and principled, and I don't fit the depressingly typical libertarian profile of Team Red-friendly, conspiracy-addled, paranoid, filled with knee-jerk rage and contrarianism against "the establishment" or "the powers that be". I want to be more deliberate and thoughtful than that. So of course I'm going to get a negative review, not because I deserve it but because I don't fit their stereotype of what they think a libertarian ought to be.
Whatever man, I think you have some issues though that you need to work out.
But I also am thoughtful and principled
Whew, the bullshit emanating from that statement could make up for all the fertilizer production lost in the Ukraine-Russia conflict.
As is typical, I would not expect you to recognize the concepts of "thoughtful and principled".
As is typical, you display your unwarranted sense of self-regard.
It is warranted, and I am smarter than you.
You're not smart enough to not eat yourself in to a heart attack. Try not to over-estimate your intelligence there.
Jeffy, you should really go somewhere else. You’re a laughingstock here.
I'm not going to abandon the cause of liberty to these Team Red lackeys or to these paranoid buffoons.
I'm not going to abandon the cause of liberty
This from a guy who complained that not letting child molesters claim refugee status here was decreasing their liberty.
You wouldn’t be abandoning liberty, you’d be abandoning being a laughingstock.
You wouldn’t be abandoning liberty, you’d be abandoning being a laughingstock.
Yeah, but he still has to look at that fat face in the mirror every day, so it's not like the humiliation is lessened all that much.
The people who think I'm a "laughingstock" are the people whose opinions I don't give much weight to in the first place.
The people who think I'm a "laughingstock" are the people whose opinions I don't give much weight to in the first place.
You're already carrying more than enough weight around for the entire commentariat, fat boy, you can afford to give a little.
“I also think you need to consider the fact that there is a white nationalism problem in the Republican Party.”
Cite?
You know what the hilarious part is? chemfat claims that the "reckoning" Stossel talks about is supposedly market-based because Twitter isn't going down the drain, but then complains that people paying for media content that they want is a problem.
Apparently he never considered that people who might pay less attention to mainstream media sources that parroted the CIA line about Hunter's laptop being "Russian misinformation and election interference," might be making a market-based choice there, too.
You repeating a lying talking point over and over despite everyone else pointing out your evidence is not actually evidence is amusing.
Takes a special kind of ubkearning retard thought process to have such passion of being wrong.
Why aren't you dead yet, chemster?
And not only is he excusing the NYT for lying he attacks the subscription model , pretending the media hasn't always crafted stories to fit a narrative, that the only difference now is they try to pretend they don't, and then straw man's and belittles the original poster because they prefer media sources (at least in his mind) that he doesn't agree with. Fuck you're a real piece of shit.
Normally I don't go for Sevo's way of responding but for you, after this morning, you don't deserve anything better.
Shorter Jeff. "Why should media apologize for intentionally being wrong for political reasons."
OK groomer
Notice the deflection in fat boy's entire response here. He knows his allies in the media and Big Tech provided the DNC with in-kind political contributions via the suppression of negative information on Biden. It had empirical effects on how people voted in 2020; it was literal election interference, unlike those stupid Facebook ads the Russians supposedly bought.
So his response is the typical one made by leftists when their lies finally catch up to them--"What difference, at this point, does it make?"
Notice the gaslighting in RRWP's response here: "Ignore what chemjeff actually wrote, here let me give you the REAL reason and motivation for his actions, which just so happen to align perfectly with my biases and preferences, and which also just coincidentally relieves me of the obligation of arguing against the substance of chemjeff's comments, which I can't do, which is why I had to resort to gaslighting in the first place."
Jeffy, stop lying. It’s over. You’re done here.
What am I supposedly lying about? That I'm a LEFT-WING PROGRESSIVE even though my views and those of actual left-wing progressives have a next to zero overlap?
Truly the people who think I am some sort of "left-wing progressive" are analyzing me only in terms of tribalism. I hate the Republican Party in its current form - that is hardly a secret - therefore I must be on "the other tribe". That is the "logic". No, that makes me someone who doesn't like the Republican Party.
Probably because you constantly simp for leftists and whine when they get criticized or suffer the consequences for anything that happens to them.
That's not true. There's plenty of valid criticism of Team Blue to go around. Their tax and spending policies are ridiculous. The Green New Deal is ridiculous. Their gun control policies are ridiculous.
What I tend to object to, are the unfair, over-the-top criticisms. Like claiming that Team Blue is full of pedophiles. Or that they want to brainwash kids into Marxism. That is nonsense on stilts.
But I would not expect a person like you to understand the difference between rational, fair criticism, and irrational, unfair criticism. Because to people like you, any criticism of Team Blue is fair criticism because the object is not to have a discussion of ideas, but to destroy them. Isn't that right?
That's not true.
Of course it is.
What I tend to object to, are the unfair, over-the-top criticisms. Like claiming that Team Blue is full of pedophiles. Or that they want to brainwash kids into Marxism. That is nonsense on stilts.
Uh, cultural marxism has been the foundation of Team Blue pedagogy for about 40-50 years now.
But I would not expect a person like you to understand the difference between rational, fair criticism, and irrational, unfair criticism. Because to people like you, any criticism of Team Blue is fair criticism because the object is not to have a discussion of ideas, but to destroy them. Isn't that right?
"Ideas" such as whining that Oberlin got an unfair monetary judgement against them, that child-molestors should be able to claim refugee status, claiming that parents shouldn't have any kind of say in what their kids are taught, claiming that a voter ID policy isn't fair unless they deliver it straight in to your fat fingers instead of having to waddle 20 yards in to a DMV to pick it up, and denying that the DoJ and NSBA coordinated to slander people pushing back against critical pedagogies and mask mandates as "domestic terrorists."
Uh, cultural marxism has been the foundation of Team Blue pedagogy for about 40-50 years now.
In my experience, the entire term "cultural Marxism" is an ill-defined concept which means, in practical terms, little more than "ideas that don't like that will be given a scary label".
BUT, if you can provide a precise, rigorous definition of the term "cultural Marxism" and explain how it is relevant in the current conversation, then by all means go right ahead.
"Ideas" such as...
In all of your examples, you not only dishonestly characterize my position on the matter, you don't even bother to consider the rightness or wrongness, or even the impact on the cause of liberty, that the particular issue might raise. It's all just tribal warfare. Oberlin is "on the left" so therefore any judgment against them must be "good news". Let's not look at the precise details or context of the judgment, though! Child molestors are "bad people" and of course the "good team" is against the "bad people" so therefore they should be kept out. And since Team Blue constitutes the "bad people" that means I must be on Team Blue if I offer any criticism of that very naive idea whatsoever. Etc. etc. That is the extent of your "analysis". Sophomoric, tribalist, and dull.
In my experience, the entire term "cultural Marxism" is an ill-defined concept which means, in practical terms, little more than "ideas that don't like that will be given a scary label".
BUT, if you can provide a precise, rigorous definition of the term "cultural Marxism" and explain how it is relevant in the current conversation, then by all means go right ahead.
Note how chemfat can't actually refute what he's arguing against (because countless examples have been provided in past threads that he pointedly ignored), so he deflects by appealing to pedantry.
In all of your examples, you not only dishonestly characterize my position on the matter, you don't even bother to consider the rightness or wrongness, or even the impact on the cause of liberty, that the particular issue might raise.
Here chemfat lies that his "positions were mischaracterized," (no, they weren't, he actually said all those things) and tries to deflect again to his go-to "tribalism" hobby-horse.
So you don't have a rigorous definition of cultural Marxism (likely because you don't really know what it means either, only that it is used by your tribal warrior allies against the Bad Team) and doubled down on his lies about my positions, because that's all he can do. I'm done here.
Child molestors are "bad people" and of course the "good team" is against the "bad people" so therefore they should be kept out.
That chemfat thinks that child molestors aren't actually bad people says all anyone needs to know about him.
So you don't have a rigorous definition of cultural Marxism (likely because you don't really know what it means either, only that it is used by your tribal warrior allies against the Bad Team)
"This person didn't conform to my pathetic demands to reframe the argument by appealing to pedantry, so I'm going to claim that he doesn't actually know and ride my 'tribalism' hobby-horse again."
For your edification (because it is sorely needed), here is an actual discussion about "cultural Marxism" and how the term is used in an academic sense, and in common usage.
https://theconversation.com/cultural-marxism-and-our-current-culture-wars-part-2-45562
I don't expect you to read it, but, you can't say I didn't try.
Jeff denies simping for the left but can't resist defending and simping for them once criticized over post modernism and critical marxism. Lol
For your edification (because it is sorely needed), here is an actual discussion about "cultural Marxism" and how the term is used in an academic sense, and in common usage.
"That I pulled up after a random Google search."
For chemfat's edification (because he sorely needs it) and for those interested in how cultural Marxism has influenced educational pedagogies over the last 40-50 years, you can check out a highly sympathetic article that outlines these views called "Marcuse, Bloch and Freire:reinvigorating a pedagogy of hope," by Richard Van Heertum in the Policy Futures in Education journal, Volume 4, Number 1, 2006. Here's the abstract:
Critique of the current order of things is a necessary starting point for any project for radical change. Without an analysis of what is wrong, it is hard to convince anyone that change is necessary. And yet critique alone rarely inspires people to act. We need something to fight for as well as against. The article looks at the centrality of hope as a necessary complement to critique. Combining insights from Freire, Bloch and Marcuse, it argues that critical pedagogy needs to seriously engage methods to create an environment amenable to resistance and struggle for change, founded on a belief that a better world is possible. Marcuse, in particular, offers three key insights that can be instrumental in moving beyond the overly negative discourse and cynicism that prevail today – including a trenchant analysis of capitalism and desire, a program for aesthetic education and a model for utopian dreaming and embodied hope. It is argued that critical pedagogy must move beyond consciousness raising and identity formation alone to foster the belief that change is possible. We need to move toward a discourse and action that can capitalize on repressed desires and provide a provisional alternative vision that can galvanize people to act toward its realization.
You are so full of shit, you gaslighting leftist sealion.
Notice the gaslighting from chemfat when his substance-free deflections are called out.
And notice how RRWP continues to evade having to address the substance of my arguments by continually making his comments about me personally.
I’ve never had over a dozen people call me a liar.
But if I did have over a dozen people call me a liar, I might self reflect on why so many different people keep calling me a liar. Because people just don’t go around calling random people liars.
A dozen pieces of shit if there's even a dozen of you.
You're hardly one to criticize, Strazele. You're not even brave enough to unmask that email after talking shit about how you'd kick our ass.
And notice how chemfat continues to deflect with his circular reasoning that his arguments are "substantive" instead of mere distraction and strawmanning.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1511865230451650563?t=zOMdJYp9x0311m2mhX1RRA&s=19
BREAKING: Atlantic propagandist Anne Applebaum says Hunter Biden laptop shouldn’t be reported on. Please DO NOT RT this video that exposes her wickedness
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https://twitter.com/fact_meta/status/1511844384651808776?t=gxtYWxtMt7JSn6mYt49k9g&s=19
Today a defendant was acquitted of trespassing charges at the US Capitol on Jan. 6 after it was determined Capitol police let him in.
Here are fact-checkers who labeled claims USCP officers let people as falsehoods.
Quick note, a USCP officer reportedly even testified under oath that they let people into the capitol that day
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Anyone who still trusts the media and the government is just stupid.
You use the "news" to discredit the "news" so what the fuck are you even trying to say?
That you get caught in obvious lies, Sullum.
I don’t know what’s worse-that the WaPo/NYT/MSNBC/CNN lie through their teeth, or that progs actually believe it without doing their own fact checking.
Plenty of room in this nation’s landfills for all of them.
The real question is, how much longer does Stossel stay with Reason, given he's bucking their line?
Is there a better place for him to go?
Substack? Joe Rogan?
I've long argued that the idea of an impartial press is impossible. The only way someone could possibly spend 40-60 hours a week covering a subject and not have an opinion is because they're an idiot, a liar, or more than likely both.
It's not that you don't HAVE an opinion. It's that a journalist doesn't let their opinion slant their reporting of the facts. This is not an impossible task.
They have moved so far beyond slanting they can't see Russia anymore - - - -
https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/1511931020144119811?t=I0UEZ2T8rxwrkUU9QRWWDA&s=19
An image from an 8 year old YouTube video is being shared, starting yesterday, as if it’s a current photo of a mobile crematorium being used by Russia to hide causalities
Compare screen shot form video and the image going wildly viral.
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It's absolute bullshit. If PutinManBad, why the propoganda? Is there not enough reality to make their case?
This exactly.
Just like with covid.
If it's/they're really the monster made out by media coverage... why the overwrought propaganda? Why all the lying? Why the censorship, and constant deflection?
If your cause is just, no need to disseminate and deceive.
When someone(s) lie consistently and repeatedly, especially in attempts to get emotional reactions, be very, very suspicious of their motives.
And here's the thing (call me a putin stooge or whatever, it doesn't change these facts): we have numerous videos of Ukrainian atrocities, filmed and shared on social media by the perpetrators themselves. Do we have any of Russians committing similar atrocities?
And the overwhelming majority of reactions to those Ukrainian atrocities fall into one or more of these categories:
1. It didn't happen
1b. It could be (or is) Russian propaganda
2. It's war, so no big deal
2b. Both sides do it (despite the lack of comparable video); see these news stories/"witnesses" for all the horrible things Russians are doing
3. Whatabout bombing/shooting/raping civilians, that's worse (note the hyperbole and appeal to assumptions made here)
4. Russia invaded, so it's their fault
4b. POWs wouldn't be tortured by Ukrainian soldiers if they weren't there in the first place
5. You'd do it too
6. Russians POWs deserve to be tortured and killed after surrendering
7. Russians should be tortured then executed after being taken captive, and I'm going to celebrate the atrocity on this video
I could've chosen a more familiar form for the above list...
1. It's not happening
2. Ok it's happening, but it's not common
3. Sure it's commonly happening, but it's not unusual (or both sides)
4. Yes, it's happening, it's common, it's only one side - and it's a good thing
https://twitter.com/martyrmade/status/1511935642950721537?t=D6gNvqXAPU6LTCtBFWIR6A&s=19
This is a Ukrainian journalist with nearly 600k followers, whose reports are often taken up uncritically by Western influencers. Consider that your entire view of the war might be a product of the propaganda being shoveled into your face.
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I assume this means Reason will soon issue a mea culpa on a whole panoply of spoiler alerts they failed to cover or outright denied?
Progressives/leftists don't do mea culpas.
But you can expect an article tomorrow lamenting the "groomer" labeling that's picked up steam...
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1511930549694201856?t=D4Xe0_piSdenzJVdLqraeg&s=19
Western media has begun the rehab of Azov Battalion
They’re betting Western audiences won’t look at all the videos on Telegram
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https://twitter.com/camilapress/status/1511826552090157058?t=_VlGxlj6S34aP0iKqhauuQ&s=19
Three U.S. officials tell NBC News that U.S. claims based on “intelligence” on Russia were made up simply to “preempt the Russians”
One U.S. official: “It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence when we talk about it..”
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"Where's the Reckoning"
It would help if "journalists" would stop citing them, wouldn't it?
An apology means you actually regret what you did wrong. They do not. They only regret getting caught but not enough to even apologize for that.
They do admit to one 'conservative' line of thought:
"Never apologize, Mister; it's a sign of weakness".
It is hard to see a true libertarian response to this particular issue. It could not be a government-centric response. I just don't see what can be done other than shaming of the individuals and corporations involved.
"It is hard to see a true libertarian response to this particular issue."
Look in the mirror.
Boycott them all, and make sure everyone knows you are, and why.
while i appreciate the sentiment, i think there is an even bigger problem.
when these stories got "buried" they were not really buried. they went to the places with the opposite bias, where they flourished.... and blew up way beyond their significance.
hunter's laptop.... i never cared.... he was not on the ballot, and he has not had any major role in the administration. it never has been anything more than a nasty bit of hate for people to throw at his dad. a mean thing to yell to hurt feelings more than express legitimate concern. it was not exactly a secret that the kid had a history of drug problems..... it was proof of things that were already public record.
the lab leak theory got blown WAY WAY out of proportion. the truth might be that poor quality control led to the early outbreak of a virus that was destined to hit us eventually. on the sites with the opposite agenda, this got so exaggerated that a large number of people believe it was engineered or deliberately released. (none of whom seem to understand what gain of function actually is.) and all of this ignores the fact that even if this remains possible..... it is neither the most likely source or provable it is was.
the stories were not buried.... they went to other echo chambers where they were distorted and twisted into narratives even further disconnected from reality than the echo chambers that censored them. the problem isn't the censorship, it is the competing versions of reality that are not real that we have come to accept in the general public's thirst for more tribalism and confirmation bias. the censorship is the easiest to recognize part of that, but what happens after the censoring is even more off the rails. the worst part of the censorship is the way it actively drives people to the more disconnected sources.
Hunter's laptop showed pretty clear records of Joe Biden trading favors while in office for personal and family gain in significant amounts.
Big fucking deal.
Covid being leaked from the lab versus evolving naturally means that China, with funding from the NIH via nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance conducted research on how to make a virus more contagious to poeple.
Big fucking deal.
But the REAL concern is "Republicans pounce."
The author doesn't understand the issue, which is that responsible media have a policy of not becoming tools for a presidential election year October surprise. Trump was similarly protected in 2016.
"The founders of Fusion GPS have described how they did not hide the fact that they were researching Trump and Russia: "Fusion and Steele tried to alert U.S. law enforcement and the news media to the material they'd uncovered ..." and their office became "something of a public reading room" for journalists seeking information. In September (2016) they arranged a private meeting between Steele and reporters from The Washington Post, The New York Times, The New Yorker, ABC News, and other outlets. The results were disappointing, as none published any stories before the election.[56]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steele_dossier#Hints_of_existence
Gee, do you think it had anything to do with the whole thing being a fabricated DNC hit job?
Which is why normal folks apparently take out their rage against the government by shooting up schools, churches, and malls, instead of legislatures, courthouses, and the DMV.