Biden Is Trying To Pass a Wealth Tax—Again. It Could Be Unconstitutional.
The president's new budget plan calls on Congress to tax wealthy Americans' unrealized capital gains.

President Joe Biden got elected in part by portraying himself as a moderate, rejecting calls for a wealth tax by his primary campaign rivals, Sens. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.) and Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.).
Now that Biden has made it to the White House, though, he just won't drop the idea, even though, like many of his tax-and-spend plans, he can't manage to get it through the Democrat-controlled Congress.
Biden first floated what I called the "Biden-Wyden wealth tax," after Sen. Ron Wyden (D–Ore.), the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, back in October 2021. It went nowhere, thanks in part to the dynamic duo of Sens. Joe Manchin (D–W.Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D–Ariz.), who deserve credit for saving Biden from his party's worst policy ideas. It was too much even for Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.), who, The Washington Post reports, privately derided the Biden-Wyden wealth tax as a publicity stunt.
Now, like a sequel to a movie that wasn't any good the first time around, a variation of the Biden-Wyden wealth tax is back for another try in the president's latest budget. This time around, the White House is trying to sell it using slick language. The New York Times reports that a White House document described the tax, aimed at those with assets of more than $100 million, as "a prepayment of tax obligations these households will owe when they later realize their gains."
Politico reports that "illiquid taxpayers may opt to pay later with interest."
Many of the same problems that applied to the original Biden-Wyden wealth tax apply to this new iteration of it. It could well be unconstitutional. Its retroactive application violates a principle of the rule of law. The small number of people targeted by it raises concerns about consent of the governed and about taxation without representation. There are practical issues having to do with the valuation of assets whose value may fluctuate wildly over time. We should be figuring out ways to ease the burden of taxation and shrink the size of government, not moving in the opposite direction. The money would be better used by the rich people who own it than by the lobbyist-influenced politicians in Washington.
One could have some fun, though, with these two concepts on which Biden-Wyden II reportedly relies—prepayment and "illiquid…may opt to pay later with interest." What if the rest of the taxpayers applied the same principle to the federal government, under the theory that turnabout is fair play? I'd send the government an invoice for the future value of all my Social Security and Medicare benefit payments. They'll owe it to me eventually anyway, so demanding the money now is just "a prepayment of…obligations" the government "will owe…later." Also, I'd like the value of the future defense spending and Social Security and Medicare spending that my children and possible future grandchildren will benefit from. It'd like that money from Washington now, as a prepayment, please.
If every taxpayer made this demand, the government wouldn't have enough money to pay right away. It'd be "illiquid." The government would have to do what it does now—borrow by issuing bonds and paying the money back later with interest. The government can also create money through the magic of the Federal Reserve, though when it does too much of that, as it has recently, it erodes the value of the money that's already out there.
On the face of it, the imbalance between the two demands for immediate prepayment of long-off possible obligations highlights the asymmetry of the tax collector and the taxpayer. When the tax collector asks to be paid immediately, he has the armed compulsory power of the state to back him up. The tax collector can go to court, impose a lien, seize assets. If a taxpayer wanted to be paid those future Social Security or Medicare benefits right away instead of waiting for later, the taxpayer would be laughed out of town. And the taxpayer would be helpless to try to take the money from the government.
There is one way, though, in which the taxpayers have more power than the tax collectors. That is at the ballot box.
If Biden gets turned out of office by the voters, he may yet have occasion to be thankful that the Biden-Wyden wealth tax was not enacted in such as way as to require immediate prepayment to the IRS of possible future speaking fees and book royalties of past presidents. Once the federal government embraces the idea of "prepayment of tax obligations these households will owe when they later realize their gains"—well, there's just no telling where that dangerous logic might lead.
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Square in the pants shitting you.
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Only while meeting with the Pope (that we know of).
None of this ends until the US is destroyed or the progs are purged.
I am curious what the legal justification is for making somebody pay tax on a completely hypothetical value of anything.
When this collects far less revenue than predicted watch them call for more taxes and lower the limit. Rinse and repeat.
As illegal and immoral as this is, it still wouldn't pay for the tiniest bit of the shit they are going to spend it on. Better keep the printing presses rolling.
You know that, I know that, I am betting the average American knows that, but it's red meat to the anti-capitalist elitist that vote progressive.
"it's red meat to the anti-capitalist elitist that vote progressive."
"Red meat" huh? I don't suppose you'd be using that phrase to hate on Lizzy Warren, now would you? I understand she is very sensitive about her heritage.
Joe Friday will be along shortly to accuse me of racism again for using the term red.
Red meat? You you mean lentils?
Probably.
Since he knows it's unconstitutional, I'm sure McConnell and McCarthy are drawing up impeachment papers.
I'm not sure it is an impeachable offense, granted what Trump was impeached on wasn't what I consider impeachable either. The President can propose a tax, but it's up to Congress to pass it. I'm going to go out on a limb and say asking for something is protected speech, even if it is unconstitutional. If he signed it into law and the courts overturn it as unconstitutional I would say that is impeachable, but we've never used that definition unfortunately.
Impeachable is whatever the house says it is.
Conviction in the senate is a bit more problematic.
What was/is impeachable is violating his oath of office by not stopping the CDC from issuing "laws" without authority.
There's a lot of shit presidents have done that they should have been impeached for. The four times it actually been used were arguably stupid reasons. Yeah, Andrew Johnson was an asshole but his impeachment was fucking flimsy as hell. Rather than using it for what they should use it for, Congress prefers to use it for political points.
This has Ron Klain’s fingerprints all over it. Especially since mush for brains doesn’t know where he is most of the time.
Perhaps "reporters" would hit the web for a few searches on how Proposition 13 in California worked out.
Californians got what they asked for, good and hard.
Americans deserve the same.
Mostly democrats. I’m in favor of the lain fro these things being inflicted on the likes of Tony, Liarson, Buttplug, etc.. the rest of us did not make this happen.
It worked out great for the most part. People were getting priced out of their homes in retirement due to tax increases. Overzealous tax and spenders needed to be slapped back, and they got it hard.
I mean, there are some issues. The problems come when you can extend Prop13 rates to the children of the original purchaser, which reduces for sale housing inventory and, thus, property tax corrections. That could have been easily rectified, but nobody really wants to fix it, they'd rather use it as an excuse for just about every other thing they need to whine about. "We have bad schools, because Prop13. We have pension deficits, because Prop13" etc.
And there are other problems, of course, as with any tax proposal. But the disease was way worse than the prop 13 treatment.
Prop 13 was intended to be just a start.
Prop 13 made a lot of people not care about the rate of property taxes because they were no longer paying their share. The benefit they received for voting for services paid for by property taxes easily outweighed the cost to them since other people were shouldering most of the cost.
Waaaaahhhhh!!!!!
Perhaps we could understand how this will work if Basement Bunker Biden gave us a few examples, using Hunters next five "business" deals.
Does Hunter owe the taxes on his next grift now, or after the hook?
(and will ol' Joe pay the dodged payroll taxes from his book deal?)
Why would there be payroll taxes on a book deal? Like most people who make large amounts of income from speaking fees, book deals, royalties, etc., they set up an S corp. Still taxable at the individual rate, but not subject to payroll taxes since it is technically corporate profits instead of wage income.
While it may seem like a scam, many people (especially high-income people) have made themselves and/or their income into corporations for the tax benefits. It's all perfectly legal, although the types of income that benefit are fairly rare.
Given that the majority of these corrupt oligarchs worked so hard to put Biden in power, I say: let them have it.
Those corrupt oligarchs aren't going to have it. This is aimed squarely at peasants that dare to own more than their betters consider fair.
Those corrupt oligarchs aren't going to have it. This is aimed squarely at peasants that dare to own more than their betters consider fair.
According to Arty we're all a bunch of damned kulaks.
Marxist fucks like him should never ever feel confident. They should live in mortal fear of being discovered for what they are.
I identify as more of a 'wrecker', though.
Can I choose counter revolutionary?
And clingers. Kulaks and clingers.
i'm a social parasite!
It Could Be Unconstitutional
That hasn't stopped the regime before.
That's not YOUR gold! That's the KINGS gold!
Bow down and worship your Nazi-Regime Kings....
By far the biggest curse of Nazi's is their use of Gov-Guns to Steal from it's own citizens anything they deem '[WE] mob wants'.. It's the very curse of unlimited democracy packing guns/weapons(gov-guns). It initiates violence and war; because at it's foundation it is a Power-Struggle war of gov-guns for survival.
The USA wasn't founded on gang land politics like that for a reason. The USA was founded on principles of Individual Liberty and Justice (as-in *EARNING* and keeping property) not who can rally up the biggest Gov-Gun toting thugs to go out and STEAL from other people.
Democrats are criminally minded.
The 75% registered Democrat prison population represents that.
Democratic voters use the exact same excuses in their heads as prisoners do...
"I'm innocent; here's 50M endless excuses on why I had to rob that bank by gun-point......"
"Just because I was using guns (gov-guns) to rob the bank doesn't mean I wanted to hurt anyone..."
etc, etc, etc.................
Get a F'en Clue F'en Democratic Nazi's.
"...he can't manage to get it through the Democrat-controlled Congress."
Wow; just imagine how it's going to be for the second half of his term.
Interesting no one is talking about Biden's disastrous speech on Ukraine.
Too local.
Which disastrous speech are you referring to? I've kinda lost track.
The one where he telegraphed that "regime change" in Russia was the ultimate goal of US economic interventions into the Ukraine situation.
It's ok, he said not really. But yes. But not really.
The important thing to remember here is putinmanbad though.
Forget the exact parallels to the Crimean War, a catastrophe for all involved, in both issues/arguments and rhetoric, because what really matters is russiamanbad.
Best to just trust the global establishment's narrative and go full NPC.
"...The important thing to remember here is putinmanbad though..."
The important things to remember are that Putin is the aggressor and apologists like nardz need to be called on their bullshit, bullshitter.
Yeah excusing bad behavior on Putin's part isn't the answer to bad behavior on Biden's part. Both should be equally condemned and both put us in danger.
C'mon, Soldier. Don't be ridiculous. Don't you know that two wrongs make a right?
I mean, when has "the ends justify the means" ever led to a bad place?
To be fair, I have both Sevo and Nardz muted so I don't know exactly what they said. But considering the source and your response, it seems like they're doing the "Putin apologist" routine.
That covers just about anytime the staffers slip up and let him near a microphone.
Now I'm just hoping the gaffer doesn't actually get us into a nuclear war; damn, survived the who thing from when I was born to 1991, and now this damned fool comes along with his demented palavering.
There's no time to worry about that, we have celebrity antics to discuss!
So what are Trump’s chances now?
Chances require actual elections.
Chances he’s illegally spied on by the IC and Reason ignores it again? You
"There is one way, though, in which the taxpayers have more power than the tax collectors. That is at the ballot box."
Don't know about Ira but his cohorts at Reason did everything they could to put this guy in the white house. Right now Trump out polls Biden in a hypothetical 2024 election. Has Reason seen the light?
Did you see the Supreme Court nomination coverage?
I'm thinking the Dems will nominate a WoC and then remind everybody that a vote against "them" is a racist and/or misogynistic hate crime.
That's if they can't rig a new "extra special deadly" strain of Covid or get us properly into an emergency "brink of war" state of panic, delaying the elections.
Gee, maybe the real coup was the friends we made along the way...
You know what else is unconstitutional? Interstate sales tax and forcing citizens to bake cakes and buy insurance. But our supreme court will find a way.
"illiquid taxpayers may opt to pay later with interest."
Uh, I think I'll opt to pay up in AD 2173.
2173, two 3rd party nominees face off for the presidency, or every law passed since 1965 gets repealed, whichever comes first.
They can have my unrealized gains when they pry them out of my cold, dead cryptocurrency blockchain.
Utterly dead on arrival. A sop to the prog wing.
Step 1: Start a new tax on unrealized capital gains for people with over 100 million dollars.
Step 2: Lie by an order of magnitude and call it a "Billionaire Tax".
Step 3: When it doesn't raise enough money, lower the threshold to 10 million dollars.
Step 4: Keep cranking inflation so eventually anyone with a job has 10 million dollars.
Step 2 <---- YOU ARE HERE (with inroads on #4 because multitasking!)
"...It Could Be Unconstitutional."
We're not relying on droolin' Joe to tell us.
There's no chance that Silicon Valley would tolerate such a scheme.
Someone soon will probably sit Joe down and explain to him that this kind of tax regime would almost exclusively target the Dem Party donor base, and any serious attempt to enact it might actually lead to CA becoming either a "red" state, or becoming a huge burden on Federal revenues when the bulk of the federal tax base within the state moves offshore, leaving an enormous pool of illegals who live in a cash economy but have been promised generous handouts by Gavin Newsom and a vestigial "middle class" who will have no choice but to flee the state when Sacramento figures out they're now the top tier of wealth and subjects them to punitive taxation at the State level.
This is a ruse. Eventually any tax on "future gains" or "unrealized gains" will filter down to the equity in your house, your IRA, 401K, 403B or any investment or collection that appreciates. You will die broke and homeless if this passes.
The federal government had to pass a constitutional amendment to tax income. Wealth (property) is not income. Taxing wealth is a power the feds do not constitutionally have.
So, would this proposed tax actually reset your cost basis to whatever the "value" of your investments was on April 15th? I wonder if this may actually be a gift to ultra-wealthy and well-connected investors (because how else are you going to get them to donate?).
1. Buy X for $100
2. Convince everyone X is now worth $50
3. Write off $50 in losses on your taxes, allowing you to make a different $50 in an otherwise high tax bracket "tax free". Don't actually sell X. X is still really worth $100, you've just used your connections and high end legal services to argue the tax man into agreeing that it's worth $50.
4. In a different year, when your tax obligations are minimal, sell it for $100. Claim $50 of "profit" and pay taxes on it in your low tax bracket.
You see, the great thing about being rich that a lot of people don't realize is that you unlike peasants who need to earn their money every week, or month, or maybe who count their yearly salaries if they find themselves in a particularly good spot, the really wealthy people don't need to earn money every year. They can choose which years to earn stuff in.
I talked about this in another thread, but I would assume that the cost basis would be determined everything else, December 31st. It would reset the cost basis for the next year. And repeat each year.
It would allow for losses as well. And while most assets aren't manipulable by the taxpayer, some (like real estate, as demonstrated by Trump) are.
Choosing when to sell certain assets has always been as you describe. You hold both gains and losses for when you need them. It isn't a "rich-person" thing, it's an "every smart investor" thing. As long as you don't need the money, holding on to a loss until it can help lower your taxable invome is investing 101.
Matt Gaetz just entered a copy of Hunter Biden's laptop harddrive into the congressional record.
I officially forgive Gaetz for his hair gel.
Already having passed current debt burden to your great grandkids, the Democrats now want to steal from them an opportunity to pay it.
"a prepayment of tax obligations these households will owe when they later realize their gains."
Does this mean they can prededuct unrealized losses?
The proposed Biden wealth tax will be constitutional.
Every leftist on the SCOTUS will be a good little puppet and do as Doctor Dementia Biden tells them...or no pudding for them by God!
To me, this is not really about billionaires. That is just a way to make the process seem palatable.
The billionaires have the resources to move wealth offshore, or have shell corporations hold it, whatever their teams of lawyers come up with.
How this ends is people like my family. We are ranchers, which necessarily means we have a lot of land in the middle of nowhere. It is a nice place, because we have been clearing brush and picking up rocks there for five generations. They would love to tax us on the value the land would have if bulldozed, subdivided and sold by the acre to retirees.
Most people in our situation manage to get by, year by year, generation by generation, but it is no way to get rich.
Now, when we cannot pay those taxes, the developers that bulldoze and develop it, they get rich. And of course, the politicians get rich.
These are people who, when they fly from one urban hellscape to another, look down from their Gulfstream and see houses and roads and farms, and it just drives them nuts to think that all those yokels down there have so much wealth. The individual rube families may not have much, but there are a lot of rubes to fleece.
A perfect world to them, would be for them to have even more jets and gated compounds, and the rest of us living in pods eating bugs, toiling away in the districts.
Neither party is going to do anything to upset the actual rich.
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Somewhere in hell, Karl Marx is saying, “l wish I’d have thought of that.”