'Full-Scale War' Begins as Russia Attacks Cities Around Ukraine
Plus: American trucker convoys, tech restrictions for sex offenders, and more...
No one really believed Russian President Vladimir Putin when he announced earlier this week that the open advancement of Russian troops into eastern Ukraine was a "peacekeeping" mission. Still, some thought—or at least hoped—that Russia would initially stick to invading contested areas in the Donbas region, where Russia-backed separatists have been fighting Ukrainian forces since 2014.
Those hopes have been dashed, as Russian aggression has already started extending beyond the areas that Putin earlier this week declared the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic and begun mounting a full-fledged invasion of Ukraine.
Ukraine's Interior Ministry said—last night U.S. Eastern Time, early morning Ukrainian time—that Russian missiles had struck military targets in Ukraine's capital city of Kyiv and in the country's second-largest and fourth-largest cities, Kharkiv and Dnipro.
NPR journalists in Ukraine reported hearing explosions in Kyiv, Kharkiv, and Odessa, while the Associated Press "saw or confirmed explosions in the capital, in Mariupol on the Azov Sea, and Kharkiv in the east" and "confirmed video showing Russian military vehicles crossing into Ukrainian-held territory in the north from Belarus and from Russian-annexed Crimea in the south."
"This morning Russia launched a new military operation against our state," Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said in a statement:
There are strikes on military and other important defense facilities, border units are under attack, the situation in the Donbas has degraded.
The Armed Forces of Ukraine, all special and law enforcement agencies of the state are on alert. The National Security and Defense Council is working in an emergency mode.
Martial law will be imposed.
Earlier this morning our time, Zelenskyy tweeted that Russia was "embark[ing] on a path of evil."
"A full-scale war in Europe has begun," said Zelenskyy adviser Mykhailo Podolyak. "Russia is not only attacking Ukraine, but the rules of normal life in the modern world."
Morning to all those on the American east coast waking up to news about war in Ukraine.
A very eerie, calm scene in central Kyiv today as many have left the city heading west pic.twitter.com/vuyLuNeApz
— Tim Mak (@timkmak) February 24, 2022
President Joe Biden said in a statement last night that he will "meet with my G7 counterparts in the morning and then speak to the American people to announce the further consequences the United States and our Allies and partners will impose on Russia for this needless act of aggression against Ukraine and global peace and security. We will also coordinate with our NATO Allies to ensure a strong, united response that deters any aggression against the Alliance."
Americans do not want to see the U.S. play a major role in this conflict, according to a new A.P.–NORC Center poll. Only 26 percent of those surveyed said we should play a major part, while 52 percent said the U.S. should play a minor part and 20 percent said none at all.
FREE MINDS
Technology restrictions for sex offenders are "confusing, unfair, and ineffective," says Wired, detailing the case of Jason, who was convicted and forced to register as a sex offender "after an alleged sexting incident in 2012." As part of his probation, he faced "a patchwork of technology-related restrictions: He was allowed to use email, but he was initially not allowed to send text messages. He could use the internet, but he was not allowed to have a social media account, and all of his time online was monitored by a probation officer." Jason is now back in jail, after watching a prayer livestream.
With digital and mobile technology so woven into all aspects of our lives these days, barring people on sex offender registries from use effectively cuts them off from career opportunities, interpersonal interactions, and much more. "While the internet has certainly created new opportunities for sexual harms, the legislative response has often centered on efforts to ban people convicted of any type of sex crime from using technology at all," notes Wired. "As the internet is now the de facto venue for public life, it's been difficult to justify these laws without violating the Constitution and creating a massive class of people unable to survive in modern society." Meanwhile, there's little evidence this makes our world a safer place.
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Trucker protests hit the U.S. Following Canada's lead, U.S. truckers are headed to the capital city to protest pandemic restrictions. At least two convoys—the "People's Convoy" and the "American Freedom Convoy"—are reportedly headed toward Washington, D.C. "We are not out for any type of vengeance, violence, any of that stuff," Nicole Robinson, co-organizer of the American Freedom Convoy, told The Federalist, adding that the group would not block interstates. "The one thing that we have preached is the one thing that everybody has preached, and that's follow all the laws."
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Kansas City police officers didn't do two minutes of due diligence, which cost a wrongfully arrested teen three weeks of his freedom, and the city $900,000 now to settle (after, article notes, a jury couldn't reach a unanimous verdict). https://t.co/g5lGCcATGd pic.twitter.com/YGmFeUytED
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Thanks for the war, SleepyJoe!
Haven’t you been listening to MSNBC?
The fact that this is happening now, but not during the 4-year Drumpf Era, actually strengthens the case that Drumpf was Putin’s Puppet.
#TrumpRussia
Don’t ever change.
Their take is amazing. Joe is so powerful sanctioning Russia with sanctions he removed 9 months ago because trump put them on.
Now he needs to implement a “remain in Russia” policy.
Your take that there is much to be done is laughable.
But any of your takes are so at least you’re consistent.
Did you even read his post?
Lol. Never change. You do so much harm for your side I encourage it.
Why the fuck would I listen to MSNBC?
Haha.
There will of course be those who insist “nobody is talking about U.S. military involvement”.
But Pelosi is saying that this is our “Sudetenland” and others are popping out the Neville Chamberlain references. Anybody bringing up 1938 is talking about military action. I have never heard anybody suggest that Hitler could have been stopped with sanctions on German beer.
And moving more U.S. troops in proximity to the Ukraine increases the chance of an unplanned encounter.
Besides, our politicians lie the way normal people breathe. So I find their assurances…unconvincing.
US military readiness in the toilet after 30 years of personnel cuts, 20 years of wars, 10 years of pandering to the gay/troon lobby, gutting the brass of warriors in favor of eggheads and CEOs, and trashing the population that actually made up the bulk of the fighting force over the last year as racists, deplorables, and extremists, and these motherfuckers still think we can waltz in to Russia and end it like we did in Desert Storm.
This exactly. The US military is concidered a joke
This. It also is something to think about for those who insist that if we don’t get involved in Ukraine the Chinese will take Taiwan. If we get involved in Ukraine we won’t have much left over to protect Taiwan which will make things easy for the Chinese regardless of how big we talk.
We don’t have the resources to fight a two front war.
Don’t forget overreacting to COVID grounded most of our pilots and stopped most field training (and severely restricted recruit training) for over a year. Training isn’t something that can be neglected. It needs to be constantly maintained to keep proficiency levels up to standards. Instead of field time, the DoD wasted 6 million plus man hours last year, by their own numbers, conducting diversity training, which according to field officers and NCOs has only led to more disunion in the ranks. Unit cohesion is important to effective combat training.
Our over reliance on reserve and NG also hinders our ability to respond rapidly. I was a reservist, so I am not bashing these components, but the fact of the matter is one weekend a month, most of which ends up being dedicated heavily towards managerial housekeeping, isn’t adequate time for meaningful training. It is better than fresh recruits, but most guard and reserve units require extensive training before being considered deployable. Look at special operations, these are the best of the best and what do they do when not deployed (and even when deployed but not actively kicking down doors) they train, and train and train. It isn’t just equipment shortages, or outdated equipment, it isn’t just moral that has suffered, it’s field time. Field time is expensive. It is time consuming and requires lots of preparation. It is cheap to rely to conduct sand table exercises, to conduct power point presentations on the growing list of genders, to log in simulator and VR time. Simulators are great, but they don’t make up for the real thing.
We also have so focused on COIN training and urban warfare (preparing for the last war) that our near peer battlefield training has been neglected.
We have replaced a rifle with a carbine as the standard weapon, and an unreliable carbine at that. Carbines are not well suited for most battlefield applications, they are perfect for urban warfare, but lack the range and knock down power (which has always been a complaint about the M-16 platform, even full sized rifles). The Army isn’t projected to select it’s new rifle, GP machine gun and squad automatic weapon for another year and politics looks to probably extend that process, as the Army really seems to prefer the Sig-Sauer systems. The one selection has been the selection of the 6.8 mm cartridge as the new round, though even this isn’t set in stone as their have been protests from NATO allies who don’t want to switch from the 5.56mm and the military has huge supplies of 5.56 mm ammo. Some in Congress are protesting Sig-Sauer’s selection, because Sig-Sauer already won the sidearm contract, and they “want to spread the money around”. Translation they want the money to go to their district, even if the new systems don’t meet the Army’s requirements. The Sig-Sauer would require the least amount of retraining, as it’s kept and improved upon the ergonomics of the M-16, while integrating the latest developments in small arms, to make a more reliable, more lethal and more accurate rifle compared to the venerable M-16. The new GP machine gun, chambered for a .338 calibre round is vastly superior to the M256, and the Squad Automatic Weapon is considered superior to the M-249.
Instead of field time, the DoD wasted 6 million plus man hours last year, by their own numbers, conducting diversity training, which according to field officers and NCOs has only led to more disunion in the ranks.
This part is especially nutty because the diversity garbage is taught in our schools, so by the time a person joins the military they’ve had years of such training (and that’s leaving aside the emphasis placed on it by Hollywood, etc.). Gee, it’s almost as if our government schools can’t even teach that junk well enough, but we all know that’s unpossible!
We’ll ‘out-diversity’ those Russkis!
Soldier, I love ya man, you’re one of the best posters here. But would it kill you to mix in some paragraphs in your longer posts?
My phone is acting up, wasn’t able to go back and edit.
Some in Congress are protesting Sig-Sauer’s selection, because Sig-Sauer already won the sidearm contract, and they “want to spread the money around”. Translation they want the money to go to their district, even if the new systems don’t meet the Army’s requirements.
“You aren’t the one who is going to be humping it in the field so kindly shut the fuck up, Senator.”
Too true, but this is a big reason that r&d always goes over budget and procurement is so difficult. I would love to say this was new but it’s pretty much SOP for procurement.
I’ve read that Russia supplied Germany with a pretty good portion of Germany’s food needs in 1939, so Stalin could have sanctioned Hitler pretty well if he wanted to.
That option was not available to Chamberlain, and in any case he is considered damned because he didn’t take military action.
He is damned because he oversold what the Munich agreement meant, and because Hitler’s Germany pushed until military action was required to stop them.
^+1
Lebensraum.
Heh. I’m kinda old but I’ve lost track of how many times advocates for military action somewhere in the world have brought up Chamberlain’s name. It’s pretty much a standard go-to for cable TV talking heads.
The last train transporting military supplies from the USSR to Germany arrived the morning Operation: Barbarossa started.
Pretty much mirrored on our dependence on China. If the Chinese cut us off today how long until we can pick up the slack?
Years, I’ve been saying for awhile now our dependency on foreign oil and manufacturing are major national security issues.
Of course Reason and some posters response is but cheap goods.
Well, how are all our new semiconductor plants coming along?
We used to be the world’s leading producer in microconducters. And it really wasn’t that long ago either. I bet the Micron factory still exists near Boise, wonder what it’s being used for now?
That’s because wheat beer sucks
Wheat beer is a violation of Reinheitsgebot
YOU are a violation of the Reinheitsgebot.
Originally, but not now.
Disagree to the point that it hurts my soul.
Put troops close enough to get harmed to get Americans in a tizzy, Didn’t they do that with a ship to get us into another war in the past?
Yeah, but then they just faked it when it didn’t work out as planned.
Yeah, I’m doubtful we won’t be pulled into this mess. I’m ever hopeful we won’t, but not a lot of faith. The complete lack of benefit to American’s makes this war catnip to globalist.
^
We best not be, because NATO is a joke, and our military is simply unprepared for a near peer adversary.
They hustled Biden, Harris, and other officials into the bunkers last night.
Strikes me as an ominous sign of their mindset.
That is scary on two parts, it shows a mindset that Biden already expects a war and that it will go nuclear, and it also looks fearful. Neither are very reassuring.
Basically the democrat party may destroy the human race.
It is a scary possibility that hasn’t really existed since I was in middle school.
Actually probably grade school as Parastrika started when I was a grade schooler.
Yeah but think of how much more civilized Twitter is now.
Worth it.
Thanks for rolling back Trumps sanctions and cancelling arms sales to Ukraine and telling Putin that it was a-okay to stick it in as long as it’s just the tip.
Seriously, fuck Joe Biden.
And okaying backup pipelines!
Join up then soldier. I’m sure they could use you on the frontlines.
He might save your life some day soon.
Seems like the kinda guy who would give medical aid to his enemy.
I’ll just laugh and spit on you while you bleed out.
lol based
Get ready for nonstop propaganda.
The west wants the puppet regime it established on Russias border.
Do you think for a second that if Mexico became a state of communist North Korea the US wouldn’t invade. Imagine the propaganda then.
Get ready for nonstop propaganda.
I knew it was coming when Scientific American ran an article accusing anyone who wasn’t in favor of war for Ukrain was suffering from Russian miss information and propaganda thru the internet. and of course the left for month now has been claiming anyone not for supporting war is a supporter of Putin and anti democratic. the left is disscusting
Uh, Putin is ex-KGB and Communists would be considered “Left.” And your spelling is “disscusting.”
If the West really wanted Ukraine, it would be overflowing Ukraine and Europe with Light Sweet Crude of our own drilling, as well as selling horizontal drilling technology so they could get their own energy and fight their own wars.
This would make Putin draw in his fangs, ride side-saddle in retreat, then cower in a fetal position under his desk.
Instead, Putin is saying: “I will take Donbas, buy no further!” Doesn’t that sound similar to your favorite Wickedly Great One?
Fuck off, Nazi!
Making Russia great again!
Thanks for the war, SleepyJoe!
Yes, it is exactly like the Iraq War.
EXACTLY LIKE IT!
(for the new Peanuts here I heard this about Obama’s “war” in Libya)
The idiot poster here named ‘John’ actually said the Libyan “war” was WORSE than the Iraq War. Because Obama, you know.
John loved Bush and Sarah Palin and called them libertarians much like the Trump Cult does today.
Good morning Mr. Buttplug! How’s the legal case against Drumpf going? Any updates?
The Dotard will join his convict team soon. – Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2, May 2021
#WallsClosingIn
Was John the one that posted kiddie porn to these forums or was that you?
“loved Bush and Sarah Palin and called them libertarians much like the Trump Cult does today.”
They love the Bushies so much that they just gave Darth Cheney a standing ovation!!
…oh wait, that was you guys.
Maybe you can point out which “Trump Cultist” here or in general who loves GWB. Because Trump speaking out against the Bush’s is something he was rather famous for.
You’re always so dishonest, Shrike.
Shrike is still angry that Palin seemed smarter than Obama on foreign affairs. From 2008:
“After the Russian army invaded the nation of Georgia, Sen. Obama’s reaction was one of indecision and moral equivalence, the kind of response that would only encourage Russia’s Putin to invade Ukraine next.”
The 2014 happened.
Quit lying. This was before Trump.
John was Mr. Team Red.
Much like you guys are in the Trump Cult. I know that Trump insulted the Bush clan. Even he understood how the Bush clan betrayed everything small government.
Cite?
Wait. Nevermind. It will be child porn again.
You’re the one that brought up Trump supporters and made the association, you mendacious weasel.
“loved Bush and Sarah Palin and called them libertarians much like the Trump Cult does today.”
Do try and keep up with your own bullshit in the future. Okay?
I was here for John and, as usual, you are lying. It’s not unexpected (people do not expect a ton of honesty from people like pedos), but it should be noted regardless.
you like attacking people who are no longer here to defend themselves.
No, he said it was worse because Obama didn’t get congressional approval you lying sack of pedo shit. Gotta love how you’re still giving cover to Obama after all of these years.
No war is exactly the same, and no one is fucking saying that. But we managed to go 4 years without actually starting a new one. Until your fellow hair sniffer got into office. Fuck off, demfag.
Why don’t you just ask John to fuck you?
Is that the new Act Blue talking point?
You can tell they know this is going to be another clusterfuck, on top of a huge pile of clusterfucks. Their frantic efforts to change the subject to TrumpTrumpTrump is the tell.
The left is currently projecting an image of irresponsible warmongering and simultaneously extreme weakness.
It’s so ridiculous that I’m kinda impressed.
Weak.
But, but!
Biden said he was the only one who has gone toe to toe with Putin!
If only Obama knew!
Toe to camel toe.
Dude Trump has come out openly supporting Putin.
Trump, Putin and the little Korean Fat Boy have a nice little mutual admiration society together.
See, snowflake, if they were literally whacking each other off while posting mean tweets and doing cocaine together instead of going to war because weaklings are in charge everywhere, that would be better.
Now, with Biden in charge, the epitomical display of weakness has probably not discouraged Putin from anything.
Land area delivered to Putin by Trump: 0 km2
Land area delivered to Putin by the Biden regime: 20,000 km2 and counting
But yeah, it’s totally Trump that’s the Russian puppet.
Trump has come out openly supporting Putin
Oh?
When?
You wouldn’t be trying to misrepresent what he was saying, would you?
Just like sarc did the other day with the genius comment which he tried to backpeddle from.
Not Molly. She’s a pure and smart as the driven snow.
Driven something anyway.
Dude. Biden claimed putin was the new Peter the great.
https://grabien.com/getmedia.php?id=1256979&key=5b47f69ed10e16c6f8e49a91a41fb78f&userid=17087
Shocking, you are incapable of reading what was said.
No, not even close, we covered this yesterday. Trump made the statement that Putin’s actions up to this full scale invasion were clever. Which they were. He got what he wanted with little actual pain.
For reference, Truman said Stalin was a swell guy, and he liked him, but that didn’t stop Truman from confronting Stalin, enacting the Marshall Plan, the Truman Plan, the Berlin Airlift, and founding NATO and committing troops in Korea to stop Soviet sponsored aggression (and then refusing to expand the war into China, even after China attacked us).
The problem with you and your compatriots is you are so focused on rhetoric (and even then you have to take it out of context and twist it to your narrative)that you ignore actual actions. Looking at it dispassionately, and as I am not a huge Trump fan, and have little use for him, and didn’t vote for him, I also don’t hate him, I can do, Trump was far harder on Putin than any of his predecessors and his successor. The one thing Trump didn’t do was disrespect Russia and Putin. And that is what the Russian people truly crave, respect. They have a history of paranoia and a cultural inferiority complex. This dates back to the earliest days of the Russian Empire. Russia was always viewed as a backwater, “oriental” rather than European power by western Europe. This has been ingrained into their national psyche. Showing a little respect rather than disdain and open hostility probably would have gone a long ways to diffusing the current situation.
Super hard when he said he trusted Putin over his own intel agencies when meeting in Helsinki.
He’s Putin’s little bitch and I suppose that makes you Trump’s little bitch for pretending he isn’t.
If you trust our intel agencies, you’re the fucking moron.
Oh wait, it’s raspberry. Carry on, little guy.
Eh, all these fascists are going to completely ignore that Trump said he trusted Putin when in Helsinki over his own intelligence agencies.
They conveniently forget anything detrimental to the narrative they’ve crafted.
I love it when no shit fascist who think the government should direct the economy try to call everyone else a fascist. It’s like Democrats being paternalistic racists and calling everyone else a racist.
He did nothing of the sort; you can interpret his silly bullshit any way you want, but when you lie, you can expect to be called on it.
Well now, that shouldn’t matter. After all, the Mighty Joe Biden is our Commander-in-Chief! Putin will be too busy quaking in fear to cause any real trouble!
Weird how Putin didn’t invade Ukraine while his puppet was president.
Isn’t it great to finally have a President who terrifies Putin?
Vladimir Putin doesn’t want me to be President. He doesn’t want me to be our nominee. If you’re wondering why — it’s because I’m the only person in this field who’s ever gone toe-to-toe with him.
#LibertariansForBiden
Was that in the Civil War?
Putin = Corn Pop?
Thread winner.
Some of us remember the drooling admiration of Biden calling Putin the new peter the great.
https://grabien.com/getmedia.php?id=1256979&key=5b47f69ed10e16c6f8e49a91a41fb78f&userid=17087
I personally believe this was Biden setting putin up for 20 years later.
Bloomberg has a pretty good opinion piece on how to be skeptical of war news coverage, but then throws in some Biden praise at the end as a “to be sure”:
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-02-24/six-early-thoughts-on-russia-s-invasion-of-ukraine
On the plus side: It’s a nice time to have what appears to be a smoothly functioning White House, and an experienced president who by all accounts has strong relationships with U.S. allies.
If this is “smoothly functioning” I’d hate to see it when the going gets bumpy.
Yeah, double secret probation has worked so well, see how it stopped Japanese aggression in the 1940s, lead to Hussein’s downfall, helped overthrow the Syrian government, ended Iran and North Korea’s nuclear programs?
I think the “smoothly functioning” part must be in reference to Jello Pudding and Boost going in and shitty Depends going out.
We know since the first sanctions didn’t work, the second one will be sure to work this time.
I admit I didn’t think Putin would invade, especially after he got away with taking those two provinces. I am still not convinced Putin originally planned to invade, but Biden’s near constant war drums beating, Russia is going to invade any day now, it will be Sunday, it will be Wednesday, it will be Thursday, just you watch and see, goaded Putin into invading. If there is one thing a strong man can’t do, is be perceived to be weak or backing down. If Putin had not invaded, Biden could have claimed to have backed him down, and Putin couldn’t have that. It would threaten his domestic power, as his biggest appeal has been to make Russia respected again by the west, and to reclaim the glory of the Soviet Union
I think that might be a part of it, but it’s also just smart to go all in and eliminate Ukraine’s ability to counterstrike or move external forces in.
If you’re going to war, go to war to win.
There is that, and maybe Putin did plan to invade all along, but Biden’s rhetoric wasn’t going to stop it. And once Biden announced we weren’t going to use force, which he did in January, he eliminated the one fear Putin actually had, the one wild card Putin couldn’t ignore. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t and didn’t think a war over the Ukraine is worth it. NATO isn’t prepared for a near peer adversary, but Russia really isn’t either.
Biden did the worse thing possible, he got involved, issued threats and promptly removed the biggest threat possible. Putin at that point knew that west was bluffing.
Sanctions aren’t going to hurt Russia, but it will drive them closer to China (just like sanctions drove Japan into the arms of Germany in the second world war).
As for Nordstream Putin has probably calculated that the sanctions won’t last. Europe has had a mild winter and is headed into spring, but next winter is forecasted to be much colder in Europe, and Germany will need that NG. I fully suspect Putin is correct here, that the embargo on NordStream will be lifted before next winter, Germany needs that NG too desperately and any possible relief from other sources will take much longer to complete. New wells, new LNG port facilities, etc will take much longer than completing the pipeline.
No one really believed Russian President Vladimir Putin when he announced earlier this week that the open advancement of Russian troops into eastern Ukraine was a “peacekeeping” mission.
I can never tell when Vlad is in good standing with which side here in America.
It is indeed Bizarro World down here and Putin is the barometer for that.
The Little Bush Boy took his “As Seen On TV” Soul-O-Meter and looked inside the “soul” of Putin and saw “a good man.”
(By the way, kids, “souls” do not exist, but you do have a mind in your head, so use it and stop picking on the ginger boy, M’Ladies!. *Tips fedora like Mick Hucknall of Simply Red.*)
Obama got caught on a hot mic in South Korea telling President Medvedev that after he gets elected, he can “be more flexible” with Putin. I guess Obama was practicing with varying sizes of butt-plugs.
Depending on his mercurial moods, Donald Trump wax rhapsodic on Putin, Xi, Orban, Bolsonaro, Duterte, and other “strong men” leaders of the world.
Now, Hoveround Joe is saying: “Stop or I’ll say ‘stop’ again!” while depriving the U.S. of global oil producer status which would give us power even greater than our arms, then begging Islamofascists Saudi Arabia and Iran to keep their blood oil flowing.
Every sitting President in the past nearly 30 years has been wimpy with Putin and all the other Top Men of the world and it’s damn sickening to watch.
Trump didn’t necessarily kiss up to Putin, but he did show him respect instead of disdain. Russia has a cultural inferiority complex that dates back to the founding of the Russian Empire. In actual actions, Trump took a far harder line against Russia than his predecessors and his successor. It is like Truman who said he personally liked Stalin, but took a hardline against Soviet aggression with the Truman Plan, the Marshall Plan, the Berlin Airlift, founding NATO and Korea.
The current problem is we tend to focus to much on rhetoric (and often take it out of context and twist it to fit our narratives, whichever way it goes) while completely ignoring actual actions. Interesting enough, Truman felt that this was a problem made worse by TV and
Radio which made optics more important than actual actions.
C’mon. Strong rhetoric matching strong deeds is what gets respect, both on an individual and a global level.
Whatever Trump did with Putin obviously wasn’t too strong if Hoveround Joe could undo it.
No, he kissed his ass in public while criticizing his own intelligence services. He had the 2016 GOP platform on the Ukraine changed to weaken our support, waged a publicity war on NATO and the EU – 2 institutions feared and hated by Putin, and he publicly defended Putin on murdering people in foreign countries, falsely claiming we do the same thing – he wished maybe.
Covered this yesterday. NATO deserves the criticism and You are doing exactly what I stated, taking things out of context and twisting them to fit your narrative. NATO is so unprepared for war because of chronic underfunding, see western Europe not living up to it’s treaty obligations on defense spending.
As for the EU, they are also trading rival, that mainly benefits Germany and France at everyone else’s expense and is extremely protectionist to boot. They also are autocratic and ignore the rights of nation states to self determination. EU deserves all the criticism it gets as well. Look beyond the talking points and you may learn something.
BTW, when are you going to join up you fucking chicken hawk?
Never, that’s for the little people to do, and Joe is too big and important.
Trump treated all of his international competitors with respect including NK Kim. I suspect he developed that strategy over the decades he was in business. He wrote a book about the art of the deal. In a deal both parties get something but Trump always figured to do better than the other guy. If Kim only wanted a little respect Trump gave him what he wanted. And Kim was pretty damn quiet until Biden took office. He treated Putin with respect but was tougher on Russia than his predecessor and successor. We can see which strategy worked best in the interests of the US as events currently unfold.
The cognitive dissonance of these lefty morons, while Putin laughs at Biden and is actually, in the real world, conquering Ukraine, is really something to behold.
Hey Joe, what color is the sky?
Also, our own governments and the left are already waging war on us.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1496852683898171399?t=dPNaa32xBp05i_6ZscDyWw&s=19
Our political establishment is screaming at the top of their lungs about dictatorships, human rights abuses, territorial integrity and militant aggression.
Ok, I agree.
These things are bad.
So we all agree on nation crushing sanctions on China, right?
Anyone? No?
Odd.
Why go as far away as China, when Canada is right next door?
Hey, do you want to risk our maple syrup imports?
This is a little dated, but is still mostly reflective of Canada’s economy……
https://i.redd.it/atuoeltk5z551.jpg
Canada maintains a maple syrup strategic reserve. In the event of a nuclear apocalypse at least the survivors will have tasty pancakes.
https://nypost.com/2021/11/26/canada-releases-50-million-pounds-from-maple-syrup-stockpile/
Embargo Alanis, the NHL, and thinly sliced ham that is somehow called “bacon”.
Send back beiber
Only if we get Shatner back too… but we’re never taking back Jim Carrey.
No sorry, we’ve fully Americanized Shatner at this point.
Shatner too good for trudoes canada
Give up Shatner? I can’t get behind that! He’s a Secularist Libertarian if ever there was one!
Я не согласен! – William Shatner, Henry Rollins, Adrian Belew – I Can’t Get Behind That на русском
https://youtu.be/7gbazzlie0o
You can have Shatner if we can have Jewel Staite.
Kaylee was the sexiest one in my opinion.
Kaylee, Inara, Zöe, and River. Would. Would. Would. Would, then die happy from sticking dick in crazy!
Zoe was okay, but definitely the other three for sure.
We could divide carrey at the border, given that he is universally loathed.
Oh, and we’re happy with Jim Carrey too. Buzz Beer FTW!
Wait! That’s Drew Carrey! Sorry! 😉
Until about a month ago I wouldn’t give you Joni Mitchell back but now you can have her,
You still can’t have Ann and Nancy Wilson. I’m not quite done with them.
Send back the Douche and Douchess of Sussex too.
In Canada we call it Back Bacon.
Beauty, eh?
Take off eh, hoser.
Imma let ya’ll finish, but Getty Lee is the one who rocked that song!
It was a beauty way to go.
https://twitter.com/DanaHoule/status/1496723469890949127?t=l-K8hbSBlTas5-c4Cfr4pA&s=19
Lot of people in Ukraine crowding together inside.
Only 35% of Ukrainians have been vaccinated. Less than 2% have been boosted.
Vaccination won’t keep you from being blown up.
What myopic assholes.
80% of the deaths in Ukraine this week will be “COVID related”.
Someone with covid sneezed near those bombs and the bombs spread covid everywhere.
Wait till the nukes fall and the virus mutates into a 50 foot monster.
That’s what the masks are for
Sorry dude, we are playing World War now, not Pandemic. Get with the times.
Thanks to trump were used to world War. I think we’re up to ww v. Which given any movie franchise the fifth is the worse.
Police acadamey 5
Rocky 5
Star wars 5 (attack of the clones)
Star trek 5
If you even try and tell me that Home Alone: The Holiday Heist is worse than Home Sweet Home Alone, we’re gonna have words.
Tell em those aren’t real movies…
“I didn’t hear no bell” is one of the greatest lines in movie history. Take back your Rocky slander, commie! ????
Your thinking Rocky iv, Rocky v was the one with “Tommy gun”
The one with Tommy Gun is the one where he does the “I didnt hear no bell!”
Ohhh I have blocked Rocky v from my mind, just like the 5th season of sliders
I await your apology
I didn’t see Rocky V.
If the series dies, it dies.
Balboa and on they got good again
If you count the Cold War (III) and the Global War on Terror (IV), we were already up to V when Trump talked shit at North Korea. Taking out Sullemani was VI. So Biden is looking at being Episode 7.
Wait, is JJ Abrams directing this?
Well, in her defense, if this was the USA and they were bombed AND had COVID, their chunks of remains would be a COVID death officially…
Now the left will be on Putins side.
President Joe Biden said in a statement last night that he will “meet with my G7 counterparts in the morning…
Probably should have worked that out before this morning.
Sleepy Joe needs a full 12 hours of sleep or he won’t make it to afternoon naptime.
If we were serious we never should have announced back in January that use of force was ruled out. I don’t want a war and advocate against one, but sanctions are useless as a threat and it was probably the only thing Putin was truly scared of. On the other hand, even this thread may not have carried weight, as Putin is well aware of how prepared NATO isn’t for a near peer adversary, the only saving grace would have been Russia isn’t either. Don’t make threats if you aren’t ready to back them up. Sooner or later someone will call your bluff.
Maybe soldier, and negotiating with madmen is always debatable, but Biden was not speaking only for the US but in an effort to engage and lead NATO, the EU, and other allies spoke for broader potential and now actual team. Those are all democracies subject to polling their own citizens for support, and one can easily deduce that threatening war was a non-starter. His tactic in that sense is easily defensible as strategy. He might have been right or wrong depending on how this all plays out, but having Germany canceling Nord Stream 2, while NATO and the EU back and second our arguments and pronouncements is not nothing. Trump would have never tried, nor could he, accomplish that.
Keep shoveling that shit. I see media matters day shift is finally on duty.
First Trump sanctioned Nordstrom 2 without waiting for Germany’s approval. Second it is cute for you to think embargoes and sanctions will change Putin’s mind. Third, you’re naive if you think the sanctions are anything but temporary and Germany will leave them in place even if Putin doesn’t back off, they need that NG to much.
As for your bullshit worship of NATO and the EU we covered that yesterday and I addressed it again. NATO has no real military might right now and is totally reliant on US military for defense. So it is worse than worthless. The fact that you don’t realize how much our so called allies have let their capabilities slip and undermet their treaty obligated defense spending just shows how uninformed you are. Last several years the US Army has had to cancel annual joint training with the Germans because the German military budget is so small, the German army can’t conduct field training. This has been occurring since Obama was president. His talking nice and kissing up to the EU and NATO didn’t result in them agreeing to meet their treaty obligations.
Also, until you join the fuck up, stop with you sudden jingoism.
Man, Joe and shrike are really duking it out today.
Germany is so frail and pathetic. Just gotta listen to the creature that represented them at the emergency UN meetings.
From my BIL, served with a Marine Scout Sniper platoon in Afghanistan, basically all the Western European NATO allies were worthless except the Brits, Canadians, the French and the Eastern European NATO allies. The Aussies, NZ and ROK troops were solid too, but then again ROK troops have a reputation for fucking shit up, as do the Aussies. The Dutch and Germans were the most useless in his opinion. And he isn’t the only Afghani vet that has told me that.
So, to recap the last 13 months, here’s what we’ve got:
-Handed Afghanistan back to the Taliban in the most stupid and incompetent way imaginable, losing the lives of 13 American troops in the process that should never have been lost.
-The highest inflation in 40+years.
-And now, what will probably be the biggest war in Europe in three generations.
This is the kind of shit that happens when America elects it’s weakest president since Jimmy Carter. Jesus Christ, what a fucking mistake we made. I shudder to think what the hell else awaits us going forward.
“A million bucks a year to his worthless, sorry-ass crackhead son, and all we got out of it was a blank check to get invaded?”
-The Ukrainian government right now, probably
“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.”
-Barack Hussein Obama
The only inflation is the 10¢ increase for a pouch of spittin tobaccy.
You misspelled tabaccy
It’s a regional thing.
It’s a regional thang.
Chawin’ Terbacky!
Wasn’t it the pro-Russia government that paid the crackhead son? If so, then it was money well spent.
Yes it was
Yep, never would have happened under Hillary. Of course we would be at least 6 months into Libya part 2.
You left off:
-all the military equipment left behind in Afghanistan that is undoubtedly now in the possession of the CCP;
-gas prices nearly doubling;
-purging our military of conservatives and promoting all the LGBT propaganda
-siccing the Justice Department on concerned parents
And that’s just the ones off the top of my head. I know there are dozens more.
Yeah, I didn’t want the wall of text to fill the entire screen!
Locking up mostly peaceful protestors for over a year without charges?
Now look. Don’t blame LGBTQ+ people for the incompetance in the Oval Office.
Telling Trudeau to go full Mussolini on the truckers.
Telling the world’s poor, uneducated, illegal immigrants that they are welcomed, no questions asked, and get $450,000 each.
“…This is the kind of shit that happens when America elects it’s weakest president since Jimmy Carter….”
There is strong circumstantial evidence that America did not elect Biden.
Are you suggesting that the DNC, Facebook, and George Soros are not American?
https://twitter.com/FearDept/status/1496853397307535360?t=9DbFNhkt07Gb5p12PIl4DQ&s=19
High from having declared martial law and trampled an old lady on a scooter, our brave Canadian puppet is now giving orders to Russia. LOL
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That was hilarious. Trudeau will face down authoritarian tyranny and defend democracy everywhere! (Except Canada)
Dude hid underground from a bunch of truckers waving flags and he thinks Putin is scared of him?
You don’t mess with truckers.
They will straight up stab you.
I seen it.
Following Canada’s lead, U.S. truckers are headed to the capital city to protest pandemic restrictions.
It took them this long to gather enough feds with CDL’s.
The chilling effect is alive and well in the USSA.
Now everyone thinks large scale American/liberty protests are fed setups, so who’s gonna participate?
Damn, that is brilliant.
11 words. Fantastic
I’ll be staying off the highways and taking alternate routes in the interim.
More disinformation from wingnut.com operation “AP.”
WASHINGTON (AP) — AP-NORC poll: Just 26% of Americans say US should play a major role in the Russia-Ukraine conflict.
I refuse to believe only one quarter of Americans are pro-military patriots. That just doesn’t match my experience. Literally every one of my progressive friends is eager to go to war with Russia.
IfYoureNotWithBidenYoureWithPutin
Oops forgot the hashtag. 🙂
#IfYoureNotWithBidenYoureWithPutin
I see them all lining up at the army recruiting stations this morning.
I’d love to enlist, but I twisted my right knee in 3rd grade kickball and it never fully healed. Wouldn’t pass the physical.
#ButIStillEncourageOthersToSignUp
Are you okay? Knee sprains hurt like hell. You’ve had a hard life. Biden is working to get you knee braces im sure.
Besides, your wisdom and leadership is needed on the Home Front!
Your knee gets no sympathy because Donnie Boy suffered with painful bone spurs. He actually has to ride in a golf cart when he tees it up.
Have you seen the latest anti-Biden disinformation from wingnut.com operation “Gallup”?
Biden Ratings on Economy, Foreign Affairs, Russia Near 40%
“Independents are most critical of Biden’s economic stewardship, with 30% approving, compared with ratings of 35% or higher on the other issues.”
Who do they think they’re fooling with this nonsense? As you remind us every day, we’re literally in the best economy ever — rig count proves it — and Biden’s real approval on that issue is surely at least 90%.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
Also that link is a few days old so expect his approval on foreign affairs to be around 90% soon as well. Because Putin not invading Ukraine during the 4 year Drumpf Era, then invading after about a year of Biden, actually proves Putin is terrified of Biden.
#Psychology101
I literally spit out food while reading this OBL. You’re doing the Lords work my man.
Don’t worry, msm will flood the screens with talks of Russia bad and sad pictures that may or may not be from what’s going on right now
For only the cost of a cup of coffee a day you can sponcer a Ukrainian refugee..
(and we totally won’t launder that money to the bodes)
Can my refugee be a 26 year old former figure skater?
Well that’s a hopeful sign. I imagine a couple months of propaganda will change that, but with any luck, this will be over by then.
Ukraine is only the start. More war is coming. Americans must wake up from their slumber. The communists never changed their goal of destroying our way of life. The communists will keep going until they can’t. It really is that simple.
Now, Ukraine is a European problem, that Europeans must solve. There is no vital US national interest in Ukraine, and NATO has not been attacked (yet).
Taiwan will be invaded by China; and China will probably succeed.
I am praying that POTUS Biden and his team make good and wise decisions. I personally have no confidence in them at all, and it will take nothing short of divine intervention for he and his team not to fuck it all up.
Weakness not strength causes wars. Wars usually happen when one side’s perceived weakness causes the other side to miscalculate and do something that it thinks it can get away with but can’t resulting in a war.
Even a President as silly, weak, corrupt, and stupid as Biden has a point where he will act. The problem is not Ukraine. Biden isn’t going to do anything and Putin is going to absorb it into Russia, which may not work out very well for him anyway. The problem is Taiwan. China sees a weak and pathetically compromised US President. They will never have a better chance to act on Taiwan than the next two years. Whoever replaces Biden, they won’t be any weaker or more unpopular than Biden. If China goes after Taiwan, that is probably something that would result in Biden lashing out and causing World War III.
You can’t elect a corrupt senile moron President. Everyone who voted for Biden or refused to vote for Trump when the choice was Biden or Trump owns this and all of the catastrophes that are likely to follow. They are all stupid, shallow dolts who let their cultural snobbery and status anxiety overrule their judgement.
Correct
Weakness alone didn’t cause this.
Giving Putin an economic windfall by strangling our own energy production financed it. Without all that extra cash there is no way Putin could afford an actual shooting war.
Weakness triggered it. Yes, the best way to deal with Putin is to turn US petroleum production up to 11 and bankrupt him.
Biden will not do that, however, because he is in the pocket of the environmental movement and the environmental movement is funded by and in the pocket of the Russians and the Saudis.
This would be more effective at shutting down the Russian economy than any sanction we come up with, but as you note we won’t do it because some tadpoles might suffer.
Why doesn’t anyone think of the tadpoles?
Not to mention when Biden did decide to get confrontational, he removed any threat of force which made his confrontation toothless. Putin called his bluff. Putin might only be holding three of a kind tres, but Biden and the west were found to be holding a pair of deuces.
Xi is betting on pulling an inside straight.
Was just going to say, the people most scared besides the Ukrainians today, has got to be Taiwan, especially as Xi has already made statements this week on his desire to solve the “Taiwan Problem”.
Already begun:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/taiwan-says-nine-chinese-warplanes-entered-its-air-defense-zone
^This x 1000
Yes, I despise Biden, even more than Trump, Obama and Bush (who I am embarrassed to admit I supported and bought into his jingoism at first) but I was hoping for the world’s sake, and our countries especially, that Biden would finally get something right here. Forlorn hope as it now appears. Now I just hope his ineptness doesn’t result in us stumbling into a war we aren’t prepared for. My son will be on the front line, he is a tank crewman. My nephew will also be extremely at risk, he is Transportation Corp.
I think the best thing we can hope for now is that this is quick and decisive, which limits the possibility of this bleeding over.
We’re in a lot more danger at the moment from the communists in academia and the press right here at home than the ones abroad.
The only reason we’re even thinking about getting involved is because no one knows if Putin will decide to cut off the Suwalki Gap and retake the Baltic states.
If we are not ‘balls to the wall’ moving reinforcements to the Baltics right now, we are asking for trouble.
Wrong.
Baltics don’t matter to Americans’ lives.
We need to be balls to the wall ending the leftist totalitarian threat at home, nowhere else.
Nardz…The trio of Baltic republics are NATO members. In addition, it might well give Putin pause to think through the implications of what might happen if he pushes it past Ukraine. We don’t want that. He has to know that NATO is serious about defending itself, else his tanks will just keep driving west. But yeah, the Baltics don’t represent a vital US national interest.
As for the leftist threat here….the ballot box sounds like a great way to dispatch them to obscurity. Just remember, the people voted for (and deserve) the representation they got. We’re fucked here in the People’s Republic of NJ. We just re-elected the fucking maniac who managed to get thousands of nursing home patients killed with his utter incompetence.
You’re ridiculously naive.
“But it can’t happen here”
Sure it can, it will, and it’s already started.
The Baltics don’t make a damn bit of difference to my life in any positive way, only potentially negative. Sure, I wish they’re happy and prosperous and safe.
But you’re asking me to sacrifice my life, my freedom, my hope for the future so the Globalist World Order can maintain and advance its dominion over us.
No thanks.
Have to agree with Commenter, the only thing that will keep Putin out of Poland, Romania and the Baltics is their membership in NATO, if he calculates that membership is worthless, then he will invade, one or all of them. At that point global war is almost unavoidable. If you don’t want war, prepare for war. It’s an old adage, but it still holds true. The best way to avoid war is to appear strong and prepared to defend yourself. Playground rules and prison rules apply to combatting aggression. The aggressor will always target weakness, but steer clear of the appearance of strength.
So we save the Baltic states from Russian aggression, and it only costs us liberty at home.
Leftist tyranny that will lead to atrocities as bad as anything seen in history is such a small price to pay to ensure the WEF ruling caste maintains its money laundering bases.
And what the hell are the Baltics worth as allies if they can’t stand up to Russia w/o US participation?
Poland+Latvia+Lithuania+Romania+Estonia don’t have armies? They don’t have the combined forces necessary to defend themselves?
Then why are we sacrificing ourselves bound in a treaty with apparently useless nations who can only possibly bring us ruin?
Fuck NATO, warmongering totalitarian scum that they are.
The Baltic nations gave us fairly good help in Afghanistan. They can’t face Russia because of their size. They’re also meeting their treaty obligations and really are trying to be free nations. Not every country in NATO are freeloaders. Most of the former Soviet Bloc countries remember what being under the Russian thumb and are doing their best not to end up their again. It’s western Europe that hasn’t met their obligations, with the exception of France and England.
I’m talking about the Baltic states combined forces.
FWIW, I think they can.
But it’s absolutely a vital question.
This proves the old maxim correct:
Good times make weak men
Weak men make hard times
Hard times make strong men
Strong men make good times.
Fuck, good times – weak men
weak men – hard times
hard times – strong men
strong men – good times
It’s a lot more difficult to invade a heavily armed island across 100 miles of ocean than to roll tanks across a frozen prairie (particularly with US Navy aircraft carriers in the area). And there’s a lot more economic downside for everyone if the island has key advanced manufacturing facilities the entire world depends on. Even a successful invasion could destroy the value China would be trying to gain.
Yet I’ll post this again:
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/taiwan-says-nine-chinese-warplanes-entered-its-air-defense-zone
The manufacturer of a new COVID-19 vaccine said it has 58 percent efficacy against symptomatic infections, 75 percent efficacy against moderate to severe disease, and 100 percent efficacy against severe disease and hospitalizations.
Based on this evidence, this vaccine has to be mandated. (Provided the manufacturer has sufficient investment in – and is invested in by – the right people in the Biden administration.)
“Safe and effective “
The link is paywalled. I wanted to get some more info on the manufacturers claim that it also is proven to increase the size of that certain part of the male anatomy.
You forgot to mention “asking for a friend “.
And a free puppy.
If converted into a paste and given to a horse, it causes them to grow a single horn.
Corporate greed, man. All the pharma companies should be nationalized, man!
Cite for your strawman? Pretty sure people are saying just don’t make us buy a product young sea lion. You can but your own sea urchins.
No, they should not be subsidized by the government, either directly or via mandate.
Whoosh!
(As usual)
Hahahahahahahahahaha. Goddamn man.
https://twitter.com/amandawinnlee/status/1496717129457946630?t=wUbfCqCkm5D5B0kDeXauqA&s=19
In one way, Putin did us a favor- historically every president running for reelection during a war has won.
If trump gets back in office we’ll have the casualties from the war AND the genocide of LGBTQIA people. I’m not fucking kidding.
When my father and my son both had cancer at the same time, I desperately clung to any bit of silver lining to get me through. It’s how I process trauma and I don’t give a fuck what you think of my process.
Holy crap.
These people belong in a mental institution.
This is why the US will eventually get its ass kicked in a real, live shooting war–because mental illness and cluster B personality disorder has been normalized, and the only people capable of actually breaking shit have been downtalked and emasculated.
Nonsense, our future leadership is all about uptalk.
Remember to put a question mark at the end of that?
“because mental illness and cluster B personality disorder has been normalized”
And celebrated. They are pushing and celebrating transgender nonsense which even the most sympathetic person to LGBTQ shit at least feels sorry for them. It was a legit DSM diagnosis before. It is still associated with a lifetime of severe depression, anxiety, and high suicide rates. Now its a way to be “different” and celebrated if you were previously boring and white (a sin to the diversity committee).
Its been too long since actual wolves have been at the doors for most people. They have been battling made up demons and larping at “conflict” while they truly have just been fat, slovenly, entitled, bored busybodies. Its no consequence the weird genderbending games and confusion come at the end of a civilizations “run”. I dont think this is any different honestly. Easy times make weak men. Weak men battle made up bad guys and twist themselves in knots fighting off invisible boogeymen (climate change, systemic racism, white supremacy, LGBTQ “genocide”) We had a good run, America.
Yeah, while Russia and China have been preparing for war our military leaders are focusing on training our troops to use the correct pronouns. I posted this above but it needs repeating, last year the military spent 6 million plus hours on diversity training.
Do you have a cite for this?
I’ll have to find it again. I read it several days ago on I think RCP.
https://www.blackburn.senate.gov/2022/2/under-biden-military-spent-nearly-6-million-man-hours-on-woke-training
Here is one story on it.
My bad it was just under 6 hours.
Thanks. Close enough to for government work.
We have almost two complete generations that believe that America is the real enemy, and have no historical understanding of the baseline for human’s quality of life.
“no historical understanding of the baseline for human’s quality of life.”
Also ya, we have thousands upon thousands of years where the human condition was nothing is given to you, everything is earned, your whole existence is to secure food, shelter, knowledge, and if you can do those things, maybe you get the luxury to sit back and do some pondering of life, academic endeavors, or even some R&R. Despite that being basically all of the existence of humans for all of the time we have been on this earth, the current generation is of the mindset that the fact they are breathing entitles them to free: food, shelter, utilities, college education and more while they spend essentially 100% of their time on sophistry and forming twitter mobs.
It is truly astounding.
And current procurement for support vehicles are focused on electrifying the Army transportation Corp, because traveling 200 miles and then spending half an hour recharging all the convoy vehicles sure sounds like efficient logistics to me, if we even have adequate battlefield chargers. How much you want to bet the charging stations will have to be diesel generated to work?
There’s the recharging issue, the extremes of temperature issue, the shock/impact survivability issue, the battlefield service & maintenance issue. This is yet another good idea fairy horseshit jugfuck glommed onto by career mediocre admin fucktards.
How much you want to bet the charging stations will have to be diesel generated to work?
Each truck will come equipped with wind turbines so they can charge while they travel.
Isn’t it great that every ill conceived idiotic idea that the left could possibly come up with is being enacted to our total detriment.
It’ll be like the new dollies we were issued in the late 1990s. They were hydraulic but the hydraulic system had an aluminum gasket in it. This would give out after several uses and then it would lose all fluid and be useless, generally about halfway in the middle of lifting or lowering a fully loaded CONEX. You couldn’t perform maintenance on your own because of an agreement the Government made with the manufacturer that required us to remove the whole engine assembly and ship it to Japan for repair. The system was supposed to be easier to use then the old spring loaded mechanical ones, that never fucking broke. You could literally drop them out of a C-130 at jump height, have the chute fail and the damn things would still work.
We used them, defects and all, but when we were getting ready to deploy to Iraq, the Army reissued us the old, reliable dollies because the new improved models didn’t work in the damn dessert.
I am betting the all electric support vehicles will be like this. Once we actually have to deploy and use the shit, we’ll take the old diesel vehicles out of storage because the electric shit isn’t reliable enough, but the DoD would still have spent all that money procuring them instead of something else we need.
that tracks with everything I’ve heard from guys that work in machine shops with nice government contracts.
the genocide of LGBTQIA people
I honestly have no idea how anybody comes up with this, and it’s an article of faith among a certain type of progressive (Tony loves this one, for example).
It’s a mighty leap to go from “treat gender dysphoria as a mental illness instead of a benign lifestyle choice” to “gas up the ovens and round up the trannies.”
Actually its more like “refuse to celebrate gender creativity and discourage kids from mutilating their bodies on a tween whim” to Nazis.
But then again, for most progressives, any challenge is Nazis.
I described the what, you described the how. Like I said, I really can’t grasp how people could think that way.
It’s not even pointing out the danger of a slippery slope. It’s straight to “Trump = Ovens.” And this even though we just had 4 years of Trump, and LGBT concerns weren’t even on his radar.
They need to demonize their political enemies to justify the use of systemic violence to get their way.
Government forces is violent, and violence is incredibly anti-social. The only moral excuse is self-defense. They won’t admit that, but, they know it. That’s why they need to demonize the enemy: it’s the excuse, and the galvanization of their political support.
For example: letting minors transition genders. On the one hand, there’s protection for the rights of minorities, and transkids are a minority. On the other hand, there’s protecting children from decisions they’re too young to make, just like we protect them from entering contracts, child labor, truancy, etc.
Really, these are two groups who want to use the power of the state to compel children for their own good, and they’re just arguing about the details. But one side needs to pretend the other are fascist Nazis.
The alternative is the libertarian approach which recognizes and respects all individuals and their freedom to make decisions. That’s not so popular because it’s so pro-social and mature.
“The alternative is the libertarian approach which recognizes and respects all individuals and their freedom to make decisions. That’s not so popular because it’s so pro-social and mature.”
I think one of the big issues is libertarians can’t even agree, much less communicate, their positions, and also a lack of pragmatism in many libertarians. Most libertarians will agree that government does have some role, but none will agree what that role is, and any suggestion by any of the proper role always results in several other libertarians calling you a slaver and an authoritarian. And what it ends up sounding like to the bystander, who may even be sympathetic, is libertarians are promoting anarchy.
this is what I was trying to convey to Leo yesterday. While sometimes you may end up with the “right principles” in an argument for libertarianism, some stuff is just too far beyond the pale for 90% of people.
Im talking about the extreme arguments for anarchy, complete open borders, the child mutilation thread yesterday, our local pedo Buttplug and his pushing of child porn. This kind of stuff is what gets most sane individuals to go…”ya, I think ill stick with a govt, thanks…you people scare me”
I peaked at the trans Texas thread. Holy shit trans activists are deluded and insane.
Trannies as a whole are deluded and insane. You’d have to be to look at a normal, healthy body of one gender and believe you’re actually the opposite (“non-binary” and “pansexual” just means “I’ll fuck whoever is willing”).
I don’t know why we had to invent a newer, dumber term for “transvestite.”
A few years ago in the grocery store, there was a tranny who was taller than Big John Studd walking around in hooker gear and badly-applied makeup. Some based Mexican kid started laughing at him and his mom had to shush him before he caused too much of a scene.
Izzard himself is a sterling example of the need for a newer, dumber term.
Curry : transvestite :: Izzard : transstupid
Izzard was funnier when he dressed in drag.
They are, yes. But they’re also child predators trying to normalize the idea of sexualizing prepubescent children.
That one weirdo had like 25% of the posts in that thread.
And all his posts amounted to nu-uh you are wrong and I am right, trust me.
Well, that was only when he wasn’t calling everyone who disagreed with his assertions Liars or Idiots.
Well yeah, we’re all obviously bigots and he was super enlightened.
But then again, for most progressives, any challenge is Nazis.
This isn’t hyperbole, believe it or not. The neomarxists like Marcuse actually argued that if a society isn’t moving towards socialism (and eventually communism), that it was moving towards fascism. I think he made this argument in “Counterrevolution and Revolt,” if I remember correctly.
Now they just aim for both.
I’ve seen this kind of thing before. I remember seeing a story about how people who have hereditary deafness will resist getting cochlear implants for their children “because it will destroy the deaf community”. Some people really do hang their own sense of self-worth on the tribe they belong to.
I remember when Sally Kohn was disappointed to learn that her daughter wasn’t a rug-muncher.
Reverts to the (thankfully) changing assumptions that conservatives think progressives are mistaken while progressives think conservatives are evil.
Fortunately, conservatives are starting to realize that progressives are evil.
It’s a mighty leap to go from “treat gender dysphoria as a mental illness instead of a benign lifestyle choice” to “gas up the ovens and round up the trannies.”
Also, call me old fashioned for needing definitions but, to be clear, where in “a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group” does LGBTQIA fall? That’s not to say anybody should be killing gays en masse, just that it sounds like, by asserting genocide, they’re asserting an LGBTQIA religion or LGBTQIA nation-state. Or that anybody killing anyone else constitutes genocide.
criticizing the narrative = actual murder
No criticism. I’ve said they’re trying to establish a religious nation-state for a while. I just want to be clear that that’s what *they* think they’re saying.
its their new gimic. Literally any criticism is no longer “violence”. Its “encouraging genocide”.
This method will work its way in to every victim nook you can imagine.
And they beclown themselves.
I was listening to an activist explain that opposing vaccines puts vulnerable First Nation citizens at more risk, so opposing vaccine mandates is eugenics.
“Disparate impact” equals “breeding people to control inherited traits.”
Yeah, if you’re nuts.
Look, I gave up my spot in the vaccine line so that First Nations people could get it before I did. If you’re giving them eugenics instead of the vaccine, that’s on you.
The same people who claim that xgender folks are ‘literally being murdered’ because of whatever they are complaining about. They have never had to be rational, or support an argument with facts, so wild, baseless assertions and biased stupidity make up their entire lives. See also, a goodly amount of the left-leaning/progressives types here.
Hey man, all it takes is a stand up comic giving “violent bigots” “permission” to murder, and it could be you they come for next. “This is no world for the fragile.” -tony.
Days since ENB last referenced ygleasis: 7
War? Piffle. White Mike assured us all yesterday that Trump is incapable of sarcasm and joking. We should assume that extends to his biggest supporter, Vlad “the inhaler” Putin.
Putin is clearly forestalling a war by eliminating the Ukraine’s capacity to resist his peacekeeping mission. Consider it a ‘fiery but peaceful’ solution. The American people should understand. We implemented the same strategy throughout the Middle East.
The Pentagon would call them “surgical strikes”.
And all the civilians that get killed, Putin can claim all procedures were followed, after first labeling it a righteous hit.
Does your church hate Ukrainians and/or Russians? Many are white and Christian, but I never heard of missionaries going to any of the old Soviet countries(except East Germany).
LOL! ‘Things KAR never heard of’ is quite an extensive list.
There is a temple in Kiev. Missionaries in Ukraine have been withdrawn multiple times over the last 10 years when tensions are high. They were withdrawn from the entire country at the end of January.
Russia implemented an anti-terrorism law in 2016 that requires any proselytizing to happen within houses of worship. So there are currently no missionaries in the country.
I do know that your church is a homophobic, transphobic, racist crock of shit.
Every question an excuse to insult. Never change, little buddy.
Fuck Russia, but keeping Mormons out is always the right call
Proselytizing is not exclusive to one church. The rules are similar for the Chinese. It is an excuse to arrest people arbitrarily for expressing religious beliefs.
Some of the most important stories often get ignored when there’s one big story happening. It’s like the media can only really pay attention to one story at a time.
Kudos to ENB for mentioning the trucker protest moving to Washington DC. However, someone should mentioned that “the Pentagon” has deployed 700 members of the National Guard to greet them.
“A convoy of truckers opposed to COVID-19 mandates set off on a planned cross-country drive from Southern California to the Washington DC area Wednesday as the Pentagon approved a request to deploy approximately 700 unarmed National Guard troops ahead of the group’s expected arrival.
https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/trucker-convoy-heads-for-dc-as-pentagon-oks-request-to-deploy-national-guard/
I remember when calling for the National Guard to put down arson and looting in our major cities was considered racist. It seems to me that deploying the National Guard to greet what appears to be peaceful protest is fundamentally authoritarian. Truckers exercising their First Amendment right to protest does not necessitate a deployment of the National Guard.
Meanwhile, I don’t understand what they mean, really, when they say “the Pentagon” approved this deployment of the National Guard. “The Pentagon” is run by the Secretary of Defense. “The Pentagon” is the Biden administration. Is this like that time the Biden administration effectively wrote a letter to itself asking Biden’s Attorney General to sic the FBI’s counterterrorism division on parents for opposing their local school boards?
I have long suspected that–since January 6–we may be under similar conditions to what the Canadians were experiencing under the emergency order by Trudeau. It’s just the Biden hasn’t bothered to ask Congress for an emergency order. Even so, I bet no one is allowed to protest peacefully in our nation’s capital. We’re not allowed to organize such a protest on social media. We’re not allowed to finance such a protest using GoFundMe, Patreon, or other apps.
Maybe the only difference is that Biden doesn’t need an emergency order to shut these things down because he’s using the coercive power of government to intimidate private companies into shutting down his political enemies online. My guess is that we’re about to find out if we’re under the conditions of an emergency order–even without one. I hope we’re not. I hope it’s all just a coincidence. We’ll need to see a big protest in Washington DC to find out, and “the Pentagon” deploying National Guard to greet a peaceful protest isn’t a good sign.
She linked to news stories, which do mention the 700 troops.
Thank you for defe ding bad reporting white Mike. What would an educated do without you being here to simp for terrible writers. Carry on young sea lion.
Two prosecutors in the New York’s criminal proceedings against Donald Trump resigned yesterday.
“The two prosecutors leading the Manhattan district attorney’s investigation into former President Donald J. Trump and his business practices abruptly resigned on Wednesday amid a monthlong pause in their presentation of evidence to a grand jury, according to people with knowledge of the matter.
—-The New York Times, February 23, 2022
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/23/nyregion/trump-ny-fraud-investigation.html
Don’t worry. I’m sure the walls are still closing in on Trump somehow. After all, they’ve been closing in on him–despite the facts–since before he was elected five years ago. Progressives gotta keep that dream alive!
That wasn’t supposed to be a reply.
You know how the commenting system works here, Ken.
Not Well.
Okay, I actually don’t know why they would resign. Even if the case is fraudulent, they’re in New York. Local judges would bend over backwards to claim even the most blatant fraud was only innocent mistakes, as long as it was assumed at Trump.
“The prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, submitted their resignations because the new Manhattan district attorney, Alvin Bragg, indicated to them that he had doubts about moving forward with a case against Mr. Trump, the people said.”
—-Ibidem
The problem appears to have been a lack of evidence.
Bragg literally doesn’t think the job of the DA’s office is to prosecute crimes. He’s just being even handed.
Holy shit, after seven years to turn over every stone in existence (and several not in existence), they still don’t have evidence that he did anything wrong?
Not enough to convince a grand jury to indict!
This really shouldn’t be surprising after the Russian conspiracy story, but it is. It is amazing that people will continue to make such a big deal out of nothing. It’s like the boy who cried wolf, only the progressive townspeople keep coming running every time. They never stop, and they think there is a wolf, too. Right there on the edge of the forest. They’re sure it must be there, but they just can’t seem to find it.
This really shouldn’t be surprising after the Russian conspiracy story
I don’t mean it’s surprising that they couldn’t find evidence of all the nasty things they constantly accuse him of, I mean they can’t find evidence of anything at all. Not even an unpaid parking ticket or an unreturned library book. That’s surprising.
It is. It’s astounding.
Yeah, it seems like they would have had enough for at least some bullshit charge to save a little face.
Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
Unless someone’s just blowing smoke.
They are still sitting pretty.
A judge just rules that a lawsuit from Democrat lawmakers for “mental distress” can proceed, despite clear and unambiguous precident that the lawsuit cannot be brought (which was cited by the judge) because, and I quote, “discovery should be interesting”.
The judge literally ruled that an unlawful suit can continue because they want to poke around in discovery.
Our legal system has become a clown show.
No more soapbox.
No more ballot box.
No more jury box.
Something something wood something something.
Another sign that this time they’ve got him.
Ken, you know the answers. For progressives and their liberal allies, protesting a Democratic administration is sedition; resistance is only moral when protesting a Republican administration. And a similar asymmetry determines “racism”. Pro-POC movements are moral; anything not pro-POC is Nazism.
We may soon find out for sure. People could plausibly argue about private property rights, despite the intimidation by the Biden administration, when they were deplatforming accounts and censoring posts.
The chances of there being people on TRUTH.social agitating for a trucker protest in Washington DC right now is probably 100%. I don’t think the progressives can tolerate that. I think they’ll come after TRUTH.social. But we won’t know for sure until they do!
We’ll have to wait and see.
TRUTH banned DevinNunesCow, so I expect y’all to be calling them out for violating the 1st amendment.
Did they do it at the behest of the government?
Then no.
Idiot Joe really refuses to see this simple distinction, despite it being said here dozens of times.
Not surprising, Joe still thinks we ought to ignore our allies failure to meet their treaty obligations under the NATO charter, because orange man called them out for it, and that is why we have a war now. Nevermind that most of western Europe cut their military budgets to almost non-existent since 1994, and spent all the money on social programs, that now cost to much and are to entrenched for them to easily reverse course.
At the same time, Europe criticized the US for our military budget, all well depending on us to defend them. And progressives have for three decades criticized the military budget, and have wanted to cut it to adopt European style cradle to grave welfare.
Plus, the Democrats fought Trump tooth and nail when he proposed raising the military budget because the state of readiness in our military was critical. Then they have refused to pass a budget of their own since they took control of Congress, relying on stop gap continuing resolutions, which don’t allow forward planning and procurement.
But remember everything that is wrong right now is Trump’s fault. Biden has been a great President and Putin is quaking in his boots (probably more because it is winter and riding shirtless in Russian winter takes a real man).
Don’t forget that Nancy Pelosi rejected Trump’s request for National Guard troops to guard the US Capitol and surrounding areas on Jan 6, 2021, and then deceitfully blamed (and is once again trying to frame) Trump for causing Pelosi’s failures on Jan 6.
I don’t believe any of that is accurate.
That’s what you get for doing your own thinking instead of researching the subject.
I’ve read about this. I’m skeptical on these post-hoc claims by Trump that he was offering Pelosi tons of National Guardsmen before the rioting starting. It’s not that I think Trump was trying to start an insurrection, I just don’t buy it. For one, Pelosi isn’t the one who would authorize national Guard deployment, it would be the mayor. Secondly, it’s a self-serving narrative that only came up months after the fact. And last time I checked, there seemed to be counter-evidence to disprove this claim.
Again, this is different than saying Trump started an insurrection, I just don’t find this particular claim of his offer very credible.
I am just basing it on reporting and congressional testimony.
With any luck when the trucks get to the DC guard check point “they’ll bust the gate doing 98 and say let them truckers roll. Yehaw”
+1
We thought back in the 70’s that it was just hyperbole when the song said “they’d brought up some reinforcements, from the Illinois National Guard”
Well, I, for one, am really happy that the adults are back in charge.
So much winning.
Biden supporting Reason staff hardest hit; along with the Biden ass licking trolls.
The one bit of possible good news are anecdotal reports of some Russian soldiers walking away from their tanks.
Hope there is some truth to the stories. The Russian soldiers have no reason to be enthusiastic about fighting supposed historically Russian people.
Haven’t seen that anywhere.
Did see that a Ukraine fighter pilot fled to Romania
https://twitter.com/BabakTaghvaee/status/1496832206815514624?t=KAfhx0OiQJj61d81uWtjqQ&s=19
This is image of the #Odessa based Su-27 air superiority fighter jet of #Ukraine Air Force that had to fly to #Romania today as its base was targeted by #Russian Navy. You can see it has full load of R-73, R-27ER & R-27ET missiles.
[Pic]
TRAITORS!
Walking away to get coffee?
Is there even any resistance?
Are they fighting the historical Russians? Isn’t the whole issue complicated by the fact that the local Russians for the most part wasn’t to rejoin Russia?
I should clarify. That I really don’t know what the situation is like over there fun the view of an average Ukrainian citizen both in the contested zone and out of it. US sources aren’t trustworthy, Russian sources aren’t any more trustworthy.
It sounds like the citizens in the zones being contested have been denied the right of representative government by the Ukrainian government, but that could be complete bullshit.
They are 25% vaccinated and aren’t wearing masks, so they deserve to get bombed and trampled
It is tough to get anything local, makes me wish I had a ham radio set to talk with folks there. Here’s a piece from Romania: https://www.romania-insider.com/romania-president-ukraine-russia-war
With the caveat that I’m no expert on this, and been trying to learn more in the past few weeks…
It sounds like a small area (something like 15%) of the two breakaway regions Putin claims to be rescuing from Ukrainian “Nazi” rule were under separatist control. That was before last night, of course.
Mike, no one has ever accused you of haveing any knowledge on any topic ever
https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1496783272575004674?t=2GyYLngFz4wcdb1-CyR2-A&s=19
The purpose of the US subsidizing Ukraine’s military for all these years was supposedly to “deter” Putin but it apparently did the opposite
Well, lifting all sanctions on the Russian bypass pipeline and announcing “there will be no military intervention” might have had a little more to do with it.
Does anyone really think they would not have done this 20 years ago if they thought they could get away with it?
I think Russia was fine with a Ukrainian vassal state next door.
The math changes drastically when the west/globalists orchestrates a coup in 2014 to install a rabidly hostile to Russia puppet government there.
Yeah.
And I wonder about the whole NATO promise thing. It seemed a goofy ask at the time… As in, unserious. Nobody was talking about NATO in Ukraine at the moment.
But they do have a legitimate concern about a NATO base in Ukraine. We would not put up with Russian or Chinese military presence in Mexico.
Somehow I doubt he was sincere… There are plenty of ways for Russia to engage NATO in those talks.
But if he was? How cheap is a promise? That one literally cost nothing.
This whole thing is weird. There must be a lot of unstated facts and assumptions out there. Otherwise, nobody’s behavior seems sane.
The US apparently has a bunch of bioweapons labs in Ukraine, which is weird.
We definitely aren’t getting a good picture from the people telling us what we’re supposed to think.
Leftists are stuck on “putin is the boogeyman, so of course he wants to conquer the world”
While conservatives are crowing about how weak Biden is, so of course putin wants to conquer the world.
But this is a huge move that comes with TONS of risks, no matter how “evil” Putin is or how weak US leadership is.
Considering Putin/Russia has been one of the more rational actors on the world stage, you have to be skeptical of what we’re being told are his motivations and what there is to gain or lose.
https://twitter.com/RogueSixCIWS/status/1496930821218963459?t=nfwPhJOg1RPkVLKJ2APb6g&s=19
[Graphic]
I assume these are simply the strategic military centers, but it’s an interesting alignment.
I said the other day we should’ve just agreed to that request even if we had no intention of keeping the deal.
Right now it isn’t advantageous to NATO to have Ukraine as a member, no one in NATO thinks an independent Ukraine is worth a shooting war with Russia. Admitting them would’ve caused that.
So the Russians don’t want the Ukraine in NATO and NATO doesn’t want the Ukraine in NATO. Rather than making a deal that makes sense for both sides, we have to play the strongman and disagree with Putin out of principle. Why not agree to keep them out of NATO until it’s advantageous for us to admit them (if that ever happens)? It’s not like we’ve never lied to Russia about NATO’s intentions.
^
I’d add that the reason things went the way they did is because it’s politically expedient to do so.
Making that deal with Putin, while good for basically everyone on Earth, would’ve been viewed as capitulating to him and showing weakness. Our President can ill afford that right now, so a bunch of Ukrainians get to die to improve his reelection chances.
It’s disgusting.
Not only doesn’t most of Western Europe want the Ukraine in NATO, France isn’t even sure if they should honor the mutual defense clause of the NATO treaty of Russia attacks Poland, the Baltics or Romania.
Insert France joke here, however, France is the second largest military in NATO and the second most capable.
Just a small little invasion would be fine.
Just the tip.
So what’s Ukraine’s broad plan of defense here? Seems like they just have to turtle up and pick off the Russian air force from the ground – they claim to have already knocked out five jets; how many losses can Putin afford?
I don’t get the impression that they have any ability to counter even if they can weather the initial assault. Am I wrong here?
how many losses can Putin afford?
I doubt he is consulting his accountant.
He better be.
No chance at all. The numbers are staggeringly one sided.
Should take Putin as long to wrap this up as it took the Nazis to reach Paris.
The entire West has its pants around its ankles right now. Past wars make clear that turning this around will take years of pain.
Hard to argue with that.
The Ukraine will probably lose the military conflict. The danger to Putin is what this does to him back home in terms of public opinion. In the short term, Putin will get a big boost for doing this. If Ukraine turns into an eternal slog with an eternal resistance a la Iraq and Afghanistan, then that support will wear thin both among the general public and among his inner circle.
There are only three ways Putin leaves office: 1) coup, 2) revolution, and 3) death. Public opinion is about staving off a coup or revolution. I think we’re probably doing ourselves, the Ukrainians, and the Russian people some harm now by hitting his inner circle with sanctions–if the most likely way Putin falls is through a coup.
By sanctioning Putin’s inner circle, we may have made it harder for Putin to get this kind of war going, but now that it’s going, we want Putin’s inner circle to be better off financially because of their ties to the west. If supporting a coup against Putin could result in your retirement in a mansion on a beach in Florida, you’re more likely to support that coup. With sanctions in place, the wealth of Putin’s inner circle is now completely dependent on keeping Putin in power.
Anyway, my cold, calculated read is that Ukraine will fall, and because anyone who was in the Ukrainian military has virtually no chance at a decent life under Russian occupation, they’ll keep fighting like Saddam Hussein’s dead-enders. The rebels are well armed, and they have the support of the local population–something Saddam Hussein’s dead-enders didn’t have except in majority Sunni areas of Iraq.
Leaning in to the revisionism and Ministry of Truth vibe, NBC had a montage of politicians condemning Russia this morning, under the banner US politicians condemn Russian attack. Featured?
Mitt Romney.
Someone needs to cut that together with NBC fact checking Romney as false for suggesting that Russia was America’s greatest threat. Not even a whiff of that in their analysis… Which is odd, because that was the seminal moment in 2012.
They emphasized that every leader around the world condemned Putin… And then. …
“Except former president Donald Trump, who praised Putin for his savvy”. Definitely framed to imply that Trump supported the invasion of Ukraine.
We definitely live in doublethink times.
Case in point, check out this post that has aged like unpasteurized milk.
https://mobile.twitter.com/logandobson/status/1496769490339745794?s=10
Our own government/media/leftists are our enemy.
HA HA
How do these guys not have any shame?
What you think is shameful and immoral they use for masturbation.
We were always at war with Eurasia.
‘Full-Scale War’ Begins as Russia Attacks Cities Around Ukraine
I’m just glad the mean tweets have stopped.
They were so stressful. War in Europe is a small price to pay.
Poor attempt at satire. The left has beat you to it.
The progressive left has rendered satire obsolete.
Racist!
Why does Putin need this shit? He’s got to be looking over his shoulder all the time, and what fun can you have in a protective security bubble? Ukraine supposedly has lots of former Spetnaz soldiers who hate Russia for what happened to their buddies in Afghan. Maybe a few with terminal diseases wouldn’t mind dying for Ukraine if they could take out Putin with them?
Why does Putin need this shit?
Because he can take it and nobody’s going to do shit to him.
He’s got to be looking over his shoulder all the time, and what fun can you have in a protective security bubble?
This was true before his Ukraine adventure, so it’s not like anything’s changed for him personally.
Because China and putin have a pact. China just bought a shit ton of coal from Russia and are transferring money to back this so they can justify Taiwan.
https://news.yahoo.com/chinese-news-outlet-accidentally-leaked-211350671.html
“Simply put, China has to back Russia up with emotional and moral support while refraining from treading on the toes of the United States and European Union,” Ming Jinwei, a senior editor at the Xinhua News Agency, wrote in a WeChat blog cited by The Post. Xinhua is the official press agency of the Chinese government.
“In the future, China will also need Russia’s understanding and support when wrestling with America to solve the Taiwan issue once and for all,” the editor later added.
He’s shoring up domestic support for his regime. Russians are sick of oligarch corruption, but they’ll support any leader who seems to be recapturing Russian glory on the global stage.
So basically, the most depraved and most dangerous reasons of all.
And you get this information from where?
Putin doesn’t need to shore up support. He’s been wildly popular, perhaps the most popular leader with his people in the world, for 20 years.
He’ll be retiring soon, possibly as early as 2024.
Putin has nothing to prove to the Russian people, and no personal incentive to create such a risk.
It’s easy to parrot globalist talking points, but try looking at things from another perspective.
A fiercely hostile government was placed right on the doorstep of Russia by powers that have been talking about taking him out and invading Russia for decades.
He offered to join NATO, and was rebuked at least twice. He asked that NATO not pump weapons and bases into Ukraine, even after NATO had already broken its word on expansion into Eastern Europe.
So what’s Putin supposed to do when hostile powers say we’re going to take over historically Russian territory, and we want to take Russia too?
[Putin] offered to join NATO, and was rebuked at least twice.
When?
When Clinton was in office, then with Bush 2 after 9/11
Are we supposed to believe that Putin wouldn’t have engaged in an unprovoked attack on Ukraine if only Russia were in NATO?
Unprovoked?
GTFOH, Ken.
There is no justification whatsoever for rejecting Russia’s offer to join NATO. Nome. There isn’t really any justification for NATO existing, and hasn’t been for 30 years, but we’ll leave that for now.
Would team Soros-McCain have been able to organize a coup in 2014 if Russia was in NATO?
Would Russia have less of an argument if NATO hadn’t fought for Kosovo’s secession and bombed the hell out of Serbia?
Putin isn’t risking the potential downsides of this invasion unless he deemed it necessary to do so.
Why don’t you tell us where you live so we can move someone next door who hates your guts and has a bunch of serial rapist-murderers friends who pay him money and talk about how much they want to take you out all the time.
How you can go through the whole Russiagate fiasco and then take those very same people’s words as gospel now is amazing, and I really don’t think you have the psychological insight into Putin, Russians, or pretty much anyone else that you think you do.
You’re gonna have to suck harder.
Good question.
I would like to think you Russian stooges would at least tone it down when it comes to this. But no. Half of you are Russian trolls. What is the excuse for the rest of you?
Fuck off and die for Ukraine, pussy.
You can get a flight to Poland pretty easy these days.
You elected a President that gave Putin $100 a barrel oil and gave him the okay to invade Ukraine. Biden is a Putin stooge. And so are you.
“What is the excuse for the rest of you?”
“You’re banned from social media, racist!”
“You’re fired from your job, vaccine-denying racist!”
“All your bank accounts and credit cards are now frozen, racist!”
“We’ll keep you in jail indefinitely without charges, racist!”
“Now go fight and die against Russia for us, racist!”
You’re a bigger threat to us than Putin.
I feel terribly sorry for the Ukrainians, but it’s also none of our fucking business. Let the Europeans handle it. They’re weak and ineffectual but at least they’re not senile.
Also, quit sockpuppeting FFS, Shrike.
Principled opposition to involvement in foreign wars?
Distrust of news coming from official US sources?
Practical analysis of our inability to stop the invasion?
Any skepticism = Russian bot.
So says The Science.
Because we can totes trust the bot narrative invented by the Russiagate hoaxers…
I eagerly await documented proof of your enlisting, chicken hawk.
The weird part about this invasion is the purported rationales. Denazification? Is this really all about the official recognition of the Azov battalion and integration into their armed forces? Western media would do well to acknowledge some of these facts because the current take is “nobody knows why they’re invading” or “all their reasons are excuses.” They definitely aren’t excuses. There’s something real to be gained and that’s why Russia committed resources.
It’s just platitudes. He might as well claim he’s combatting misinformation and protecting 2SLGBTQIIAA+ rights.
Because strategic actors have a tendency to take big risks for no discernable reason all of sudden?
Discernible reasons, sure, but since when do successful strategic actors plainly state their reasons for action?
So maybe we try to analyze possible motives rationally instead of throwing around Russiamanbad talking points?
So you think he’s a mindless psychopath that committed his countrymen to death because rightful Russian clay?
I’m just saying that this is a lot more complicated than the media presents it as. Whatever Russia’s real reasoning is, I doubt I agree with it, but if you expect to talk them down, better address what they think the real issues are.
My primary concern is that I don’t know their real reasons and nobody seems willing to explore what it might be. Feels like one of those propaganda strategies where they avoid the facts out of fear that a few people might agree with them. Pointless strategy since we already have Russian sympathizers.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545389/BREAKING-NEWS-Explosions-heard-Ukraine-port-city-Mariupol.html
Scroll down to the bottom. Look for a swath of blue. It’s Putin’s declaration of war. Worth reading if you want a glimpse of his point of view.
Thanks, that’s exactly the kind of primary sources I was looking for.
I’ll have to re-read it and do additional research for historical context, but at a basic level, Putin is technically correct. That’s the worst kind of correct to be. IMO he’s technically correct, but also entirely wrong.
Team America World Police is a thing. We’ve been dicks to most of the world. We are the ruling powers that be and we do take advantage of it. However, that doesn’t entitle him to subvert Ukraine and do the very same thing we’ve done before.
Not really sure how you can make America change its ways so long as it doesn’t have to.
He’s tired of Russia being treated as a second-class citizen on the world stage, and he views NATO encroachment on Russia to be a very real threat. He also accuses the current Ukraine government of nazism and genocide.
I’ve heard that much, primarily from RT, but I’m not seeing a whole lot of fact finding going on.
You can’t just throw out a genocide accusation with zero violence to back it up, so where is that violence? Is he talking about the war crimes the Azov battalion is accused of committing during the Crimea invasion? I found Amnesty International condemning Ukraine back in 2014 for lack of accountability, but what does this mean? Does anyone have facts or some handy statistics on actual violence? Recorded deaths of innocents? War crime allegations?
The real reason appears to be that the people in Eastern Ukraine actually want to secede and join Russia. I’ve also heard they’re ethnic Russians who lived there since the fall of the USSR. Understandable premise. In the US people want to secede from their State if they feel the govt is unresponsive (ex. NorCal/Rural Oregon forming Jefferson and seceding from California/Oregon).
Problem is that secession means loss of territory. Ukraine might not want those people, but they want their land and the border. Putin put a gun to their head and said choose.
I suspect this is what all these world leaders were “negotiating” with him over the past month.
I did a little research and it looks like the word “genocide” isn’t meant to be literal when tossed around by Russians. It’s something that became part of the language after the Nazis did it for real, and they use it to mean evil without literally meaning mass murder.
So, in other words, it is a lie.
It would be a lie if meant to be taken literally. I don’t know if that’s the case or not, being that it appears that in Russian culture the word is used as a synonym for evil. At least that’s what I gathered from a little research. I’m not interested enough to dig in further.
Azov brigade, and other militias, did some really bad shit. Genocide is hyperbole, though they’d do it if they could.
First thing the installed and illegitimate (poroshenko, not zelensky- who did win a legit election so far as I can tell) government did in 2014 was outlaw the Russian language and take other actions against ethnic Russians.
Kiev has been shelling eastern Ukrainian neighborhoods for 8 years, and has either broken or rejected every ceasefire agreement.
They’ve courted the EU and NATO while vilifying Russia and Russian Ukrainians. They’ve talked about acquiring nuclear weapons to use specifically against Russians.
They cut off water supplies to Crimea, which was constitutionally granted autonomous status when Ukraine seceded from the USSR and voted overwhelmingly via referendum first to secede from Ukraine then to join the Russian federation.
Is there currently a genocide being perpetrated by the Kiev government? No, but their language, actions, and mindset haven’t been far removed from it.
Do yall realize what it was like for those areas when the Swedes, French, Germans, and Nazis invaded? Scorched earth and mass deaths aren’t something people who have a history of it forget or take likely.
Is Russia a good guy? No, neither is Ukraine. Russia has a legitimate interest in Ukraine’s status, and Putin seems to have come to the conclusion that invasion was required for the well being of Russia.
The people f Ukraine have multiple wars in living memory. Not like USA wars that happen everywhere but the USA, but wars in their backyard. I can’t even imagine.
The British and French once went to war over a sailor’s ear. Sometimes the excuses are just excuses.
*British and Spanish
Same difference. They’re all weird-talking girly men, amirite?
The Brits also went to war, twice, to force China to allow opium trafficking. It’s like the scene in movies where pimps beat and ten shove a bunch of coke/heroin in a ho’s face, only with the British empire as the pimp and China as the ho. There’s a reason China calls it their century of humiliation.
British intel/foreign policy are pure evil.
Winston Churchill was badass though. Gallipoli was a disaster, but other than that poor decision he comes out as a good guy.
The opium wars were a little more complex. Opium just happened to be classe de resistance. It really was about trade, Chinese protectionism and the English passion for colonizing any place not England.
Sure, but it’s more fun the way I describe it
• One day into the soft launch of Trump-backed social media platform Truth Social “and even its ‘free speech’ branding is – perhaps, unsurprisingly – falling apart.”
Instead of admitting that Trump was spot on about Germany’s
increased dependence upon Russian natural gas, European nation’s failure to contribute their share to NATO, and Europe’s dependence upon the US for defense, ENB reverts back to Trump Derangement Syndrome.
Meanwhile, ENB’s favorite president is so senile that he continues driving the price of oil and gas even higher, which Putin is relying upon to keep financing his invading army in Ukraine.
And that is a harsher criticism of a new platform than she ever made against her bae Twitter for a worse ToS.
White Mike keeps squealing about those ToS, but Twitter, Facebook and Instagrams are far, far worse.
It just demonstrates what a shill he/she/it is.
“Meanwhile, ENB’s favorite president is so senile that he continues driving the price of oil and gas even higher, which Putin is relying upon to keep financing his invading army in Ukraine.”
Entirely true. but if you think that ENB is remotely bothered or embarrassed by this then you do not understand what her goals are.
Absent other countries stationing troops in Ukraine, Putin was going to invade no matter what. There was no diplomatic solution. So all those blaming Biden remember two things. You would be even more unhappy if the US was dragged into a war with Russia and Trump is openly supporting Putin.
Sorry your guy completely and totally sucks ass so much, but you’re just going to have to own it.
So take that shriveled up, never firm, almost 80 year old dick all the way into your mouth as deep as you can until you choke on it.
If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that Shrike wants people to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d have done:
Limit fracking as much as he possibly could
Block oil and gas pipelines for everyone but Putin
Cut U.S. military spending
Try to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran.
But he didn’t. Biden did.
The Western Elites installed a government no less corrupt that the prior government. The only goal was to be able to milk the Ukraine. And they would have gotten away with it had they not also given Putin the income he needed to undo their actions.
Meanwhile our ‘elites’ – ie. the Bidens et al, who sought to profit from this will now suffer none of the consequences that all of us will surely suffer.
It’s more of a direct result of your side’s low future-time orientation and biting off more than they could ever chew.
“Absent other countries stationing troops in Ukraine, Putin was going to invade no matter what”
The idea that Putin is so irrational that he would invade the Ukraine, even if it wasn’t in his best interests to do so, is childish.
Meanwhile, the reason Biden reversed his original decision on Nord Stream 2 indicates that even he thinks his original decision was a mistake.
By moving all those troops to Ukraine’s borders, Putin had to show his hand. He didn’t realize NATO would come together the way they have. China’s late opposition to invading the Ukraine came as a surprise, too, but by that time, it was already too late.
Putin’s primary concern is public opinion in Russia. As powerful as Emperor Xi is–sans elections–even he is concerned about public opinion in China. The last thing Putin can do as a strongman is be seen as weak. Once it was clear to the Russian people what he wanted to do, he couldn’t back down–because that would make it look like he’d been intimidated by the west. And what’s the point of having a strong man in power if he’s intimidated by the west?
The time to stop Putin from invading the Ukraine was months and months ago, before Putin put his troops on Ukraine’s borders.
“Russia’s state energy company, Gazprom (GAZP.MM), and its Western partners are racing to finish the pipeline to send natural gas under the Baltic Sea. The project, now about 95% complete, would bypass Ukraine, depriving it of lucrative transit fees and potentially undermining its struggle against Russian aggression.
“U.S. waives sanctions on Nord Stream 2 as Biden seeks to mend Europe ties”
—-Reuters, May 19, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-waive-sanctions-firm-ceo-behind-russias-nord-stream-2-pipeline-source-2021-05-19/
Because Biden’s foolish decision in May of 2021 to drop his opposition to Nord Stream 2 gave Putin a false sense of security doesn’t mean it wasn’t a crucial part of the reason why Putin had the sense of security to ramp up an invasion of the Ukraine. Everybody but Joe Biden seems to have understood what the consequences of his foolish decision would be–even before he made it–and failing to avoid obvious pitfalls is the practical definition of incompetence.
This is all a result of Joe Biden’s incompetence. Even IF IF IF this wasn’t the only reason Putin invaded the Ukraine, throwing kerosene on the fire was a foolish and incompetent thing to do. From the perspective of Biden’s own political interests, if Putin was planning to invade the Ukraine in spite of Nord Stream 2 being killed, then Biden should have allowed him to do it–without Biden assistance in getting Nord Stream 2 up and running. There’s no way to look at this that doesn’t suggest Biden is incompetent.
It should be noted that May of 2021 is also about the same time that Biden had decided to ignore the deadline in the agreement Trump signed with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan. We were supposed to be out of Afghanistan in April of 2021, in Trump’s plan, and if Biden hadn’t foolishly violated the agreement by unilaterally deciding to extend our stay, our allies wouldn’t have been there when the Taliban overran the airport in Kabul in August of 2021. Quite simply, both of these decisions, made about the same time, were woefully incompetent.
Your bullshit is premised on the illogical opinion that the US could have stopped Germany from connecting to Nordstream 2. That was never going to happen, and only Putin’s own actions have stalled it. We’ll see how smart he was about that.
Trump did not sanction anything about Nordstream 2 until it was 95% complete, in other words, a done deal. Biden lifting that was an attempt at creating closer ties with Germany – something Trump didn’t GAF about – who was going to ignore us on the issue no matter what.
As usual, your analysis is partisan blather leavened with wishful thinking. Can you keep it shorter in the future? You’re not worth the bandwidth.
As usual, your analysis is partisan blather leavened with wishful thinking. Can you keep it shorter in the future? You’re not worth the bandwidth.
I don’t remember why I muted him, but judging by your response, it was probably for shitposting.
Reading the shit shitposters post is optional. Just hit the mute button, and you’ll never have to read one of his shitposts again.
You muted me Ken because you sensed I’d kick your ass on a daily basis and you can’t handle logical and fact based counter-arguments – you’re a simpleton with a pretense to punditry. Hey, your loss – you need the lessons.
As usual, your analysis is partisan blather leavened with wishful thinking. Can you keep it shorter in the future? You’re not worth the bandwidth.
Joe a legend in his own mind. If he was half as convincing as he claims, we’d all be joining hands singing Biden’s praises and calling for more mandates and lockdowns by now.
Instead, Joe gets confronted with actual facts that make him uncomfortable. Then he is back again saying the same stupid shit we discredited the day before. Hell, sometimes he just keeps repeating no matter how many times you’ve shown him to be wrong.
He also dismisses anything that runs contrary to his narrative as irrelevant.
His posts are straight talking points, and his repetitive nature is because he is incapable of doing any critical thinking, and thus able to offer any new views. He is not at all original. His trying to blame this on Trump is almost word for word something I read on line from a progressive site yesterday. Oh Trump was mean to NATO and the EU, so that is why Putin waited a year after Trump was out of office to invade.
Looking for substance there soldier, got any?
I didn’t blame Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine on Trump, though I did accurately state Trump’s opposition to both NATO and the EU which he shares with Putin. Given your mental limitations I understand how this is too complex and confusing for you, but I can’t speak in simpler sentences for you, OR LOUDER.
Since you have demonstrated no ability to discern facts or say anything original, forgive me if I laugh of your puerile attempt at an insult. Just keep repeating the same thing over and over again, and ignore anything that counters your narrative and pretend you are winning. Whatever makes you sleep easier at night, you fucking chicken hawk.
Looking for substance there soldier, got any?
Consider it an in-kind contribution, shitlib.
Trump is openly supporting Putin.
“Why wouldn’t he?” = “I’m glad he did”, apparently.
You’re forgetting that Trump is first and foremost a self-aggrandizing liar. He’s not telling you what he thinks about the situation; he’s telling you what he thinks will make him look good. This is true of basically every politician, but Trump’s utter lack of shame makes him unique.
+1 Claptrap and all too obvious.
yeah, and Trump is miscalculating badly if he thinks praising Putin will help his chances in 2024.
Trump’s biggest problem isn’t his lying or his personal attacks, it’s his habit of actually saying what he is thinking. Putin’s actions earlier this week were clever. That doesn’t make them right, and Trump didn’t say it did. Trump also condemned those actions, which Joe and Molly ignore. They just fixate on Trump stating Putin’s actions were clever.
I used the analogy above about Truman saying he liked Stalin. He was raked over the coals for this, accused of being soft on Communism and appeasing the Soviets. But Truman created the Truman Doctrine, championed the Marshall Plan, increased defense spending when it wasn’t popular to counteract the post WW2 drawdown, spearheaded the Berlin Airlift, founded NATO and sent in US troops to confront Soviet sponsored aggression in Korea. He also authorized the development of the hydrogen bomb, over the objections of the doves in his cabinet. Truman also was another president who was criticized for his words and rarely given credit for his actual actions.
BTW there were many parallels between the 1948 election and the 2016 election.
It’s easy to see where Molly is coming from. You just have to ignore facts and logic and talk about your feelings.
And she feels this very strongly.
Molly is also:
Full.
Of.
Shit.
She doesn’t know why she feels so strongly, but she does feel strongly
Cite on Trump openly supporting Putin, you dishonest fuck.
I have to believe that you’re a liar because no one can actually be this retarded.
I always thought of trump as a bullshitter, product huckster myself. I had little fondness for the man himself. Though I did like him calling out the media and the left I suppose.
But despite his many flaws as a person, we had 4 years of a screaming hot economy, low inflation, some shit talking but ultimately no escalation of foreign conflict. No nations walking all over him. No “red line” fiascos.
But he tweeted that Rosie Odonell is a fat fuck with a horse face or something, so “muh norms!”
Sorry but next time you guys sales pitch of “back to normal with a DC insider who knows the system, and has spent his life in govt!” I hope the country is appropriately horrified and runs the opposite direction. “The experts back in charge” looks more and more like the furthest thing from the truth, every day.
The next time these guys sales pitch of “back to normal with a DC insider who knows the system, and has spent his life in govt!”
I hope someone shoots them in the face.
Seriously.
I’m not quite ready to homicidal just yet, but I understand and respect the impulse.
Count me in for jury nullification.
Early in his presidency Trump confronted North Korea about their nuclear program and at the time the major media outlets were screaming Trump was crazy and was going to start WWIII. Then Trump started negotiating with North Korea and all of sudden Trump was in Kim’s pocket. There were legitimate things you could criticize Trump for regarding that sequence of events, but what we got was irrational “Trump bad” no matter what he did, and not even for ideological reasons, just the personal hatred directed at the man.
And North Korea pretty much stayed in line for 4 years. Crazy leaders know not to trust other crazy leaders.
“but what we got was irrational “Trump bad” no matter what he did, and not even for ideological reasons, just the personal hatred directed at the man.”
And this is what you get when supposedly “objective” journalists (ya that is obviously extinct now) take on the Mitch Mcconell stance of “our goal is to make X a one term president”. Its understandable when the majority leader in the opposing party wants that. When the “unbiased” media and vast majority of mainstream outlets take this position, its propaganda.
Lol. At least McConnell was willing to let that “one term” run out. The left wanted pence.
The four year temper tantrum was something to see. It continues to this day. Fucking ugly.
It’s hard to know what might have happened. Several diplomatic options appear not to have been tried, for fear of being labeled “appeasement”. Well, the current alternative doesn’t seem so much better.
NATO could have said they would not ask Ukraine to join, for X number of years (or forever, promises are cheap.)
If the issue was the “breakaway republics” or “separatist regions”, Ukraine could have granted them some level of autonomy or independence, instead of shelling them when the Russian army is just across the border.
If the issue is Russia wanting a “buffer zone”, some level of demilitarization could have been offered.
And if Putin really is the next Hitler bent on taking over Europe, at least he would have been exposed as being unwilling to negotiate.
So why get confrontational while also promising from the start not to use force? If Russia was going to invade, and diplomacy was doomed from the start, engaging just makes the US, NATO and Biden look impotent. So, even if your assertions on true, it still means Biden fucked the pooch royally.
Perhaps the walls aren’t closing in:
“Prosecutors in Trump Criminal Probe Resign, Case Could Be Tossed”
https://ijr.com/prosecutors-trump-criminal-probe-resign/
Buttplug hardest hit.
Poor Shrike, his narratives always collapse so quickly.
Trump is a fat old man. The coffin walls are closing in if nothing else.
But his accounting firm admitted they were a bad accounting firm.
I hope he sues the living fuck out of the new directors.
Just finished reading Putin’s declaration of war.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10545389/BREAKING-NEWS-Explosions-heard-Ukraine-port-city-Mariupol.html
Got to scroll down almost to the bottom to find it.
After reading it I highly doubt Putin cares who the president is. He’s been planning this for a very long time. Those who say this wouldn’t have happened if Trump was president are, based upon what Putin said, wrong.
Which explains the 6 year gap of aggression. It just can’t be bidens fault. He had nothing to do with it. It would have happened in your fantasy land of all hate for trump.
God damn man. Making excuses to cover your vote preference despite overwhelming evidence of Biden being terrible is why people call you a leftist.
You misspelled “asshole”.
I argue it would not happen because, you know, it did not happen. It happened under Biden who removed sanctions on the pipeline AND said a “small” incursion into Ukraine is OK.
You can think what you want. Can’t prove a counterfactual. But based upon what Putin himself said, I don’t think he gives a whit who the president is. Did you read his declaration of war, or were you too busy listening to Trump’s latest speech?
“You can think what you want. Can’t prove a counterfactual.”
I’m saying it did not happen under Trump. YOU are engaging in hypothetical bullshit. Putin waited a shade more than a year after the worst President we’ve had since Buchanan took office and showed how inept he is at everything to invade. And China will also take Taiwan before the year is up, most likely.
Good job, Biden. Really, great fucking job.
“Did you read his declaration of war, or were you too busy listening to Trump’s latest speech?”
You are the one obsessed with Trump.
Who, uh, brought him up first? You or me?
“I argue it would not happen…”
Read your own words before accusing me of hypothetical bullshit.
It DIDN’T happen. You have to present the case that, in spite of ample opportunity and a government opposed to the President, Putin decided to not invade before 2022. You have not.
I can’t prove a counterfactual. Neither can you.
I was commenting on Putin’s declaration of war. Not my personal opinion of what he would do based upon who is president. Read it for yourself.
Stop backtracking. You made a dumbass hypothetical comment to divert any and all blame. Just admit you’re an idiot already.
You pushed a countefactual dumbass. You did that. Do you not get that? The “doesn’t matter who was president” isnt based on any fact whatsoever. We know what actions biden actually took. We know that he undid those actions after the invasion. But your claim is the initial actions did nothing, so will the current actions reimementing them do anything?
The one fact is this didnt happen under trump. Full stop.
Your wishing that fact away is laughable.
“….I don’t think he gives a whit who the president is.”
Whoa, wait a minute! Doesn’t that blow the whole “Putin’s puppet” meme out of the water?
Being a democrat is just a series of contradictions.
He also warns the West of ‘consequences greater than you have faced in history’ if it interferes. Being that he’s got hypersonic missiles and a pile of nukes, I doubt he’s bluffing.
He’s not bluffing. Both Russia and China began asserting “first strike” doctrine regarding their nukes after the Obama administration announced plans to reduce our nuclear stockpile.
And some of the missile development by Russia was added by agreements for technology transfers by Hillary through the Skolkovo arrangement.
BEST SECRETARY STATE IN HUMAN
HISTORYHERSTORYObama upgraded the Missile Defense System in Eastern Europe.
Wingnut.com didn’t report it.
Obama cancelled the missile defense system in Eastern Europe, dipshit.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obama-scraps-bush-missile-defense-plan/story?id=8604357
It’s never a surprise when the hicklib pederast reveals how ill-read he actually is. Also note how he didn’t actually refute the facts and changed the subject.
The only good hicklib pederasts are those who get the Full Rosenbaum.
“…how ill-read he actually is…”
You misspelled “STUPID”.
Did you even read the article? Says he scrapped Bush’s idea and did something else. Your implication is that he did nothing at all.
FTA:
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the new plan still places systems in Poland, the Czech Republic and other countries in the region, though the details are still to be ironed out.
Try reading more than the headline when you link an article.
Those “details” ended up being literally nothing. The “replacement” for that European missile defense system was Aegis cruisers in the Atlantic.
Bullshit.
Aegis Ashore is land based and is an upgrade from the older antiquated system that it replaced.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole, a trafficker in kiddie-porn and pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Yeah, seven years later, after Putin made fools of the Obama administration and their Reset Button.
Your article didn’t say that.
And what did he actually replace them with, sarcasmic? You should’ve maybe looked that up before writing that gotcha.
Hh has to defend the left at all costs. Even if it reveals how retarded he is.
I see you provided no facts yourself. Did Obama and gates actually implement plans elsewhere. Hint. NO YOU RETARDED SHIT.
You ignorant retard – they relocated to Romania. An improved system.
http://www.nuclearfiles.org/menu//key-issues/missile-defense/issues/eastern-europe/obamas_new_approach.htm
Shrike. Do you know why Poland was originally chosen dumbass?
The pedo lied? Say it ain’t so
Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
April.20.2021 at 10:47 pm
“Ashli Babbitt attacked the USA much like the 9/11 hijackers did.”
Kiddie porn addict lefty shit turd here seems to fantasize that ‘trespassing’ on public land = flying an airliner full of passengers into a skyscraper.
There are few more obvious examples of turd’s imbecility than this.
turd lies; it’s what turd does.
“Ashli Babbitt attacked the USA much like the 9/11 hijackers did.”
How embarrassingly stupid!
That’s a propaganda statement worthy of the Kremlin. Putin needs people who can justify shooting unarmed protesters with conviction. Maybe he should apply for a job with the Kremlin.
Ken, you are super logical, so answer this with logic: how did the officers guarding the Speaker’s Lobby, in the moment, know that Ashli Babbitt or any of the rioters with her were unarmed?
Yes, everyone knew they were unarmed, you evil piece of cancer.
How? Did they all go through metal detectors and get patted down?
Yes, you retarded monkey.
That’s exactly what they do when you’re going to hear a sitting president speak, or enter the Capitol Hill complex.
They’ve been doing that since JFK.
Her hands were exposed. 3 cops on her side of the door were completely unwired. Her hands were on the window frame as she tried to go through.
Holy shit man. What about your principles? Shoot first look for weapons second?
Sure, right before they stayed behind the velvet ropes!
Well, like Mother’s said, seeing as everyone actually does get patted down and has to go through a metal detector to hear Trump speak or enter the Capitol area…
I’m surprised you guys don’t know that.
Ken doesn’t reply to people who use logic. Logic showed him to be a supporter of authoritarians. So logic is bad, as are those who practice it.
You just inferred that people don’t “go through metal detectors and get patted down” when attending a presidential speech, and you’re now accusing Ken of not using logic?
You’re easily the dumbest person here.
I dunno, dude. KARen is back.
US propaganda has been worse than Russia’s for years.
Stop acting like our biggest problem/threat isn’t the US government/media/left.
They are more evil than Putin. Full stop.
You really are fucking ignorant lol. As pointed out above Obama canceled it. He also signed a treaty where the US wouldn’t developed tactical nukes but Russia could continue doing so.
“California adopts plan to tackle microplastic pollution — first state to do so”
[…]
“…But there’s a problem with regulating this pollutant. Only so much is known about it — how it gets to the sea and to what extent it’s there. Also, standards for collecting and measuring microplastics are just emerging, and what level of the material may be safe to tolerate is still unclear…”
https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/California-to-become-first-state-to-tackle-16939499.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result
We don’t know what it is or if it harms anything, but we’ll regulate it for shits and giggles.
That’s the best kind of problem. It means literally anything with plastic in it is eligible for regulation.
Companies need to start marking their products “not intended for sale in California.”
No mention of Trudeau rescinding the emergency order (most likely because he would have lost in the senate which would have triggered a no confidence vote)?
We’re discussing it here
https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/a-little-less-tyranny-eh
Generally the consensus is that Trudeau was going to lose the vote in the Senate, perhaps due to some embarrassing emails talking about the political upside of the EA. Also a little side of ‘everybody is taking cash out of the bank’.
British couldn’t freeze Washington’s accounts as it could have led to a bank run
fiat money and consolidation turned banks into utilities
today large numbers of smallholders taking their money elsewhere means relatively little
Not really rescinded. They are still prosecuting people with those powers. Bank accounts continue to be frozen. Leaders still denied bail.
This.
They realized that it wasn’t remotely legal, so they’re just going to stop talking about it publicly and hope that the public doesn’t notice.
I heard last night they were unfreezing the accounts. Could be wrong.
This still needs to end with Trudeau disgraced and out of politics.
And in prison awaiting sentencing.
In a better world perhaps. I don’t see that happening. Though it absolutely should.
This is why I don’t believe in karma. Evil people do evil shit and then live long, happy, prosperous lives.
Yeah, I don’t expect to see cosmic justice stepping in here.
So just accept it, or realize that you/we have to do something if we want to have any hope for the future?
Do something like what?
I don’t care about Ukraine. It is not a “free” country and it is not even a real country. The #1 criterion for sovereignty is the ability to defend oneself. Clearly, Ukraine can’t do that. And that is true of almost all European states–they are a bunch of relatively indistinguishable pre-Roman tribesman, singing campfire songs of their indispensability and distinctiveness. But today they all depend 100% on the world-police powers of US taxpayers to enable their playtime. Without it, they’re cheese-eatin’ surrender monkeys!
Enough! The US government must immediately cease all hypocritical international welfare and policing, and instead demand all these podunk, hapless “cultures” adopt the American societal system, that is, to unite as pseudo “states” under a fascistic central government run by the global banking cartel!
So the world can burn. At least until the fire is at our doors.
John Quincy Adams said it better about America’s role in the world:
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example. She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom. The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force…. She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit….
Wow. Those old, dead white guys could be pretty eloquent sometimes.
The world will burn precisely because our oligarchs, the WEF crowd, and leftists want it to burn.
We need to take necessary action if we want to stop that, and that action has nothing do with Russia or Eastern Europe.
I haven’t been paying much attention to the Russia/Ukraine thing, so I don’t completely understand what’s at stake and what the goals are. I’ve been trying to get it sorted out but there’s a ton of simple “Biden’s fault” and “Trump’s fault” discussion that doesn’t get at the issues.
I understand that Russia wanted the Crimean Peninsula, which had historically been Russian territory, at least going back a couple hundred years. But they annexed it in 2014 (for people now making Sudetenland comparisons, I think that event is more relevant).
I’m aware that Russia claims to be concerned with corruption and violence from the Ukrainian government and they perhaps don’t recognize the current administration as legitimate. but there’s been corruption in the Ukraine for over thirty years, so that’s not a new condition.
And I’m aware Putin is concerned about Ukraine being admitted into NATO, and potentially having NATO troops stationed on his border. However, the Baltic Republics are also NATO members, and beyond that, NATO is a defensive alliance that isn’t aggressive toward Russia-NATO members have extensive trade and business agreements inside Russia.
So what exactly is the Russian goal? Are they trying to annex the Ukraine? Are they planning to topple the Ukranian government and install a friendly regime? Are they simply trying to end the expansion of NATO?
I can’t get a clear view of the factors that led to this without a load of lies and propaganda, so I’m really confused about how this has escalated over the past few years.
Are they trying to annex the Ukraine? Are they planning to topple the Ukranian government and install a friendly regime? Are they simply trying to end the expansion of NATO?
Based upon Putin’s declaration of war, yes.
NATO is a defensive alliance that isn’t aggressive toward Russia
This isn’t Vlad’s view of the situation.
So what exactly is the Russian goal? Are they trying to annex the Ukraine? Are they planning to topple the Ukranian government and install a friendly regime? Are they simply trying to end the expansion of NATO?
I don’t think they want A; B and C seem to be the point.
it really hasn’t escalated
remember 2008, when Russian forces drove around Georgia like they owned the place for a bit?
some other poor schmucks along the Russian border will be next
and it won’t matter then either
I don’t think many of the factors have actually changed all that much recently. Putin has always been wary of NATO’s eastward expansion, and expansion has always been a goal of his. Whether or not he acts on these things depends on whether or not he thinks he can get away with doing something.
Why he felt like he could get away with it in 2014 and then not again until 2022 is impossible to answer, personally I blame the weather.
I would kind of beg to differ on the assertion NATO isn’t an aggressive alliance, recall how it inserted itself in the Balkan civil wars and Libya. Possibly you could argue the Balkans at least concerned the Europeans, but Libya was completely unnecessary. It should be noted both of these were egged on or initiated by a Democratic President who wanted to look tough.
“Bay Area yoga studio owner gets 45 days in jail for Jan. 6 U.S. Capitol breach”
[…]
“Castro pleaded guilty last year to illegally picketing inside the U.S. Capitol, a federal offense…”
https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/02/23/bay-area-yoga-studio-owner-gets-45-days-in-jail-for-jan-6-u-s-capitol-breach/
And scaring the pants off of Pelosi!
“illegally picketing” is a crime. I will just leave that there.
Hey, if it weren’t for “crimes” like that, steaming piles of lefty shit like turd and Tony wouldn’t be able to claim that ‘eleventy-seven of Trump associates have been convicted!!!!!’.
It was like 9/11 times 100!
91,100?
No, 81.818181…..
I thought all of those Hunter crackdoodle purchases were supposed to secure the US militaries intervention?
Does Hunter seem like a guy who is going to make good on his promises.
One day into the soft launch of Trump-backed social media platform Truth Social “and even its ‘free speech’ branding is – perhaps, unsurprisingly – falling apart.
TRUMP DON’T WANT NO FREE SPEECH!
Sarah Palin’s Buttplug 2
April.20.2021 at 10:47 pm
“Ashli Babbitt attacked the USA much like the 9/11 hijackers did.”
Kiddie porn addict lefty shit turd here seems to fantasize that ‘trespassing’ on public land = flying an airliner full of passengers into a skyscraper.
There are few more obvious examples of turd’s imbecility than this.
turd lies; ne does nothing else.
Perhaps you missed my question earlier. I’ll repeat it.
In May of last year you predicted The Dotard will join his convict team soon. What’s the latest update on the case(s) against Drumpf?
Let me tell you:
“Prosecutors in Trump Criminal Probe Resign, Case Could Be Tossed”
https://ijr.com/prosecutors-trump-criminal-probe-resign/
Perhaps that’s the reason turd is not willing to admit to yet one more in an endless stream of lies.
turd lies; it’s what he does.
I’m betting that post will age like milk. I remember how buggy Twitter was at first.
I’m glad to see a platform they can’t control infuriates them so much.
Some of the “bugs” I saw reported appeared to be about servers overwhelmed by demand. Not being able to create an account because the authentication servers are overwhelmed by other people creating accounts isn’t necessarily a bug. That’s just overwhelming demand.
It’s a bug. It should have been planned for by a competent IT lead.
Reminds me of the Obamacare rollout.
True.
Well, to be fair, in this case it may be Nunes doesn’t want no free speech.
https://twitter.com/pepesgrandma/status/1496786072268804109?t=glvTxPSLHz8kdUkXN-wUgQ&s=19
Ukraine – Why is a 4.5 million views video of attacks on Mariupol actually a video of a nasty thunderstorm from January? See the tweet below this.
You tell me what’s going on here?
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Not sure what those near flashes are – maybe power surges, but the ones on the horizon sure look like ordnance ground strikes.
https://twitter.com/KateHydeNY/status/1496699063680524292?t=ocFU-hMuqnhGN8ylmuqL_g&s=19
Three shots and a chaser.
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https://twitter.com/ChristinaPushaw/status/1496857427865743362?t=TNKgrdctRZCgjUFGqEa-sA&s=19
No. These are not the same. The fact that you think the Capitol riot is equivalent to Russia bombing Ukrainian cities into dust shows why you should never be taken seriously on foreign policy and in part why we are in this horrible situation to begin with.
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I love the guy that says the ideologies are the same.
Of course, Trump didn’t invade the capitol, and the only people to die that day were protestors, but totes the same.
NYTs today:
“Russian celebrities joined a chorus of public figures on Thursday in condemning President Vladimir V. Putin’s decision to launch military action in Ukraine.
Maksim Galkin, one of Russia’s most popular television anchors, said he could not express his feelings.
“There can be no justification for war, I say no to war!” Mr. Galkin, who runs a popular prime time show on a state-run television network, wrote on Instagram.
Valery Meladze, a popular singer who is often featured on state-run television networks, said in a video statement: “What happened today is something that could not and should not have happened, ever.”
“I plead you to stop military hostilities and start negotiations,” he said, without specifying whom he was referring to.
Zemfira Ramazanova, one of Russia’s most popular rock stars, published a post saying: “No to war.”
By speaking out against Mr. Putin’s decisions, Russian celebrities often put their careers at risk. The government controls vast segments of Russia’s popular culture by filtering access to the main television networks it controls.
Ksenia Sobchak, a popular socialite and journalist, was barred for years from appearing on state-sponsored shows because of her participation in anti-government protests. After reading the news on Thursday morning, she was bewildered.
“We Russians will deal with had happened today for many years,” Ms. Sobchak said in a post on Instagram. “I will now trust only the worst scenarios, even though I have always been optimistic,” she said, adding that “only optimists stayed in Russia, pessimists are long gone.”
In at least one case, the resentment of war among Russian cultural figures went beyond public statements. Yelena Kovalskaya, director of the Meyerhold Center, a state-run theater in Moscow, said she had resigned from her post. In a statement, she said, “it is not possible to work for a murderer and receive a salary from him.”
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The only person I follow on Twitter who lives in Russia is Edward Snowden. I was remarking a couple of days ago that he seems to have free rein to say whatever he wants as long as he never criticizes Russia or Putin. And he is very vocal.
He has been silent for the last 24 hours.
Trust Mike to insinuate Snowden is a Russian tool.
Trust Mother to miss the fact that Snowden, Assange, and Greenwald never release damaging info on Russia or criticize it. Understandable given Snowden’s position, but the other 2 are just Russian tools.
Oh fuck off, Shrike.
You’re an actual fifty-center, and yet you have the guts to accuse people you believe are religious heretics, of being Russian shills because they won’t repeat your DNC propaganda.
Fucking pathetic.
Mother confirms my post by her inability to counter it.
What’s a fifty center?
You never counter any post, you just repeat what you stated in the original post over again.
As for a fifty center, it’s what you next raise at media matters will be. Hang in there, kiddo, you’ll soon be able to buy your own pizza bagels instead of relying on your mom.
I have Mother’s muted so I don’t know what he said. Sometimes I suspect he is on the Russian payroll.
That’s because you’re a lying disingenuous troll.
So Joe MiKarthy here thinks I’m a dirty commie because I don’t want his war.
I’m definitely saving this post for later.
We shouldn’t go to war because the piece of shit you morons installed as Commander in Chief is an incompetent, senile, idiotic crook who is surrounded by Marxist mental midgets. If the Afghanistan withdrawal is representative of their ability to manage a military operation then they should do nothing, or close to it.
Well he probably wants to stay alive and out of prison.
let’s ask Peng Shuai whether Taiwan should exist
Celebrities saddened by war? What powerful statements, joe.
Who cares? You do. Haha.
I wonder if air strikes on their troops along the boarder and the rail lines suppling it at this point may be persuasive. hopefully without starting an all out Nuke war. it would have to happen quickly and soon it would be risky but if they really want to stop this shit show now before it hits nato borders that is what it will take. thats the choice we go all in or not at all. sanctions are okay but I think useless in this case. a small country yes Russia probably not.
note In Syria recently 50 American troops with air support wiped out 300 Russian “mercinaries”.
Are you volunteering?
The US has no dog in this fight.
Learn to comprehend what your read. I clearly state you go all in or not at all, I made no statement of support for either. this situation literally has two choices. Nato does have a stake with Russia wanting to take back other countries if it succeeds here and we are a part of NATO which I am for leaving any way but we can’t now for it would embolden Putin more.
No i can not volunteer, couldn’t when i was of age and am to old now even if i was heathy and don’t know if i would have if i was capable in my youth.
further i have several relatives in the military and I pray we don’t go to war for their sakes and the sake of a nation that is tired of war. but I am not the one to make that decision Trump or Biden sometimes shit happens and there is little more that can be done
Learn to understand what I wrote:
US HAS NO DOG IN THIS FIGHT!
Stuff your war-mongering up your ass.
I guess you refuse to understand what i wrote or simply can’t understand, very well then good day
Oh, so another one of the I almost joined but they wouldn’t take me crowds. We veterans who actually served thank you for your service… For someone who is against the war, you sure sound jingoistic.
It isn’t in our best interests to go to war over the Ukraine although it is in our best interests for Putin’s war in Ukraine to fail miserably.
We should have let our defense contractors sell them plenty more in the way of anti-tank, anti-missile, and anti-aircraft hardware.
The Turks sent them some highly effective drones, and the Ukrainians are presumably using them to the best of their ability.
God bless people who fight for their freedom from vicious dictators and their awful aggression, but it isn’t in the best interest of the United State to go to war over the Ukraine.
It isn’t in the best interests of the United States for Biden to circumvent the Constitution and attack Russian targets in the Ukraine without an act of Congress either.
lets hope the Ukraniens can hold out and fight long enough for Russia to go home, maybe ten years that might be okay to keep Putin busy for a few years. but if he is succesfull he may want more and that is the gamble.
We need to shore up our forces in NATO. His next targets are Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, with Poland showing up after that, and they’re all full fledged NATO members who have been paying their full dues–because they really do depend on NATO deterrence for their security. Biden has already ordered a lot of our forces into the Baltics to deter any further action there, and from a purely libertarian perspective, I maintain that going to war in defense of the alliance would be in the best interests of the United States–if Putin were to attack one of our NATO allies. Mutual defense treaties can be and often are a highly effective deterrent to war, and if Putin did this to one of our NATO allies, rather than the Ukraine, I suspect the declaration of War on Russia would already be up for debate in Congress.
Don’t count on Congress to declare war. The last time there was an actual resolution to do so, it was from Ron Paul, trying to make a point that Congress doesn’t take its responsibility to do so seriously.
Maybe an open ended “authorization” of some kind.
It isn’t in the best interests of the United States for Biden to circumvent the Constitution and attack Russian targets in the Ukraine without an act of Congress either.”
did i suggest that? there are plenty of European nations that could launch a strike, I laughed when i wrote that, never mind.
“We should have let our defense contractors sell them plenty more in the way of anti-tank, anti-missile, and anti-aircraft hardware.”
Didn’t we have a recent President who was withholding Congressionally-authorized military aid to Ukraine? Until, like, the Ukraine president would make a statement helping this former President’s re-election campaign. Sure seem to remember something like that…
He was vice president then. There’s a video of him bragging about it and everything.
And you Mike Laursen campaigned for him.
Yes, that’s correct Mike, and before that he personally had the 2016 GOP platform changed to weaken support for Ukraine. Of course the GOP had no platform in 2020, instead relying on “I’m with Fatso”.
These are facts.
This is the President who supposedly would have handled all this better in a hypothetical counterfactual parallel universe in which he is serving a second term.
You’ve lived in a counterfactual world for at least two goddamn years now.
“Of course the GOP had no platform in 2020, instead relying on “I’m with Fatso”.”
I’m not able to find anything about the GOP in regards to their support of a “Fatso”. Do you have a citation for that?
Scary, you find their platform and I’ll get you the T shirt.
You’re a babbling idiot. And your master might actually start WW3 through his idiotic, unready jackassery.
Yeah, his name is Joe Biden.
Douche.
ah, “airstrikes”, always a popular route to escalation. why not “advisors” on the ground?
Is it too soon to start the pool in which country Russia will invade next?
Moldova. Already has a built-in rebel faction in the Transnistria “Republic”. Also, its not in NATO.
At least two convoys—the “People’s Convoy” and the “American Freedom Convoy”—are reportedly headed toward Washington, D.C.
Aww, man. I kinda wish I was still in a truck, now. I could have put a big “REASON” sticker on the side of the cab, and made sure that everyone knew that the Premier Libertarian Periodical truly supported the truckers. 😉
Perhaps recognizing Chechnya and other separatist movements in Russia as independent countries. While I can see how Russia would not want a NATO member on their border, the reality is that Ukraine becoming a member of NATO was not going to happen. In fact there is more probability now after Russia has attacked Ukraine.
The problem is that we have two boneheaded leaders with Putin and Biden. I would not be surprised to see China take advantage of the situation and invade Taiwan.
The solution is the breakup of large countries into much smaller countries. Large countries try to act as empires and lose perspective. The western nations like USA, Canada, Australia are loose cannons as well so it’s not just Russia and China. This does not give Russia or Putin a pass as the attack on Ukraine is not warranted and criminal.
Hopefully Karma will give both Putin and Biden what they deserve sooner rather than later. Let’s Go Brandon and Poutine!
You are going to break up Russia and China, how exactly? Part of Putin’s want list here is to reconstitute the Russian Imperial territories. He 8s going in the opposite direction to what you want. Good of you to propose a solution that requires the main antagonist to completely backtrack but somehow without the larger war necessary to enforce it.
Ole’ Horseface has his eye on the ball:
Ironically, Ukraine only happened because of German climate change policies, namely Germany’s absurd rejection of nuclear energy and its insane carbon goals.
It was 32 degrees in California this morning. I suspect the Tonga volcanic explosion is going to make this a colder than normal year. We could use some of the “security threat” level global warming to make the weather a bit nicer.
Biden press secretary calls Trump a nauseating pig
See, that’s the other thing that was better under Trump. I mean, what does Trump get for siding with a great Russian democrat (excuse the term please) like Putin. He gets cancelled by people that don’t understand that the Russian war to liberate Ukraine from itself was always going to break a few eggs— which are necessary to make an omelette, you know.
Besides Biden supported the Iraq War and pulled troops out of Afghanistan. Who is he to comment on anything anywhere where a military is going in murdering people? I like Trump better because he knew that the right answer to geopolitical affairs such as these were to murder people by drone strike and having his lackeys commit war crimes in Mosul. He was after all the peace President.
You suck. try a new shtick.
Leftists can’t meme/satirize
They really cant. Its hard to watch. Nothing kills comedy like a good dose of “PC jokes”
“What does Trump get for siding with a great Russian democrat (excuse the term please) like Putin”
You may need to wait for him to actually do that before you wax poetic about the repercussions of such a thing.
Shrike’s paid to lie and propagandize here, so he can’t wait for something that won’t actually happen.
eh so what if a few eastern regions move from Ukraine to becoming “independent” Russian satellites
not like Putin can occupy Kiev for any length of time
as breathless as the media coverage has been about them having no legitimate concerns, have to wonder how Russians in Donbas feel about Putin
perhaps he’s greeted as a liberator
I guess it was OK when the US invaded a sovereign nation – Iraq. The only difference is it’s not us this time.
It’s wasn’t OK then, and it’s not OK now.
Nobody said it’s okay, but we’re also not very keen on the wardrums you’ve been banging here.
Fucking war monger. Democrats are the real enemy. Not Putin.
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The contrast with Putin will do the cause of liberty well in the minds of the American people come November.
Progressives will not benefit from their similarity to Putin. Putin also intimidates civil society into silence–like Biden and the progressives.
Send them to Ukraine to see the indirect results of their handiwork.
https://twitter.com/tooloee/status/1496315633931198464?t=RKuUwJM3EaQO4kQoOxs6aw&s=19
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Wow
I’ve been reading comments on this over at Patterico’s blog, which is good barometer of the neocon mindset. The cope levels there are off the charts–these people are utterly delusional, actually arguing that we can choke Russia off and annihilate them in a matter of weeks. They’re still living in the 1990s when their faction ran the GOP and Russia was a defanged power with our puppet in the leadership seat.
I’ll say one thing, the neocon thirst for war never really abates.
You do understand the problem with “winning” the war in Afghanistan was an intractable political problem, not a military one? It also is a completely dissimilar situation to Russia trying to conquer another country.
It’s not about cultural identity. It’s about being put under the yoke of an oppressive government. Oppression breeds revolt.
Canada has extra mounted police we could borrow if we run out.
Plus they expect that any real fighting will be done by “deplorables” from “flyover country”. The progs will be happy to let them do all the fighting while the progs sit at home getting stoned, dyeing their hair purple, and complaining about the lack of gourmet cat food at Trader Joe’s.
All these people talking tough about going to war and “standing up to Russia” have no intention of putting anything on the line for it.
Ukraine has been accepting volunteers to fill out militias for 8 years now. They have every opportunity to do what they think is right, but they don’t get to demand I contribute blood or treasure, and they don’t get to silence me in the face of their propaganda masquerading as analysis to make the “moral” justification for US involvement.
I don’t think the Ukrainian people see it that way. In fact, this whole conflict is about the Ukrainian people voting to turn their backs on corruption and Putin’s cronies and embrace the EU. When the Ukrainian government turned its back on signing a treaty with the EU, the country erupted in protest and threw Putin’s cronies out.
You should watch this documentary on Netflix.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RibAQHeDia8
This is about oppression. This is about Putin putting his boot on the neck of the Ukrainian people. There isn’t anything about people being culturally like me that makes me more comfortable with having them put their boot on my neck, and the Ukrainian people have fought long and hard to free themselves from Putin’s domination.
Who are you to argue with them about that?
P.S. Because we oppose the U.S. going to war in Iraq is no reason to support the narrative of Saddam Hussein. Saddam Hussein was a horrible dictator who oppressed his own people, and I opposed the U.S. going to war in Iraq anyway.
You really need to stop regurgitating Atlantic Council memos
You are regurgitating Kremlin propaganda whether you realize it or not.
Suffice it to say, the Ukrainian people rose up against a government that refused to sign a treaty with EU.
Suggesting the Ukrainian people are taking their orders from the CIA is like suggesting that people only voted for Trump because of Russian intelligence services.
People used to come here and claim that the only reason I opposed Barack Obama squandering my future paychecks on bailing out Wall Street was because the Koch brothers.
“The protests were sparked by the Ukrainian government’s decision to suspend the signing of the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. The scope of the protests widened, with calls for the resignation of the President of Ukraine, Viktor Yanukovych, and the Second Azarov Government.[79] The protests were fueled by the perception of “widespread government corruption”, “abuse of power”, and “violation of human rights in Ukraine”.[80] Transparency International named President Yanukovych as the top example of corruption in the world.[81] The situation escalated after the violent dispersal of protesters on 30 November, leading to many more protesters joining.[5] The protests led to the 2014 Ukrainian revolution, known as the Revolution of Dignity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan
Those are the events, regardless of why they happened, and suggesting that they happened because of the CIA–rather than because of what the people of Ukraine themselves wanted–is preposterous.
In the “Revolution of Dignity”, the corrupt, Russian puppet leader of Ukraine fled the country ahead of an impeachment vote that was going to remove him from power–and presumably have him thrown in prison for ordering state security services to fire on unarmed protesters. When he fired on those protesters, that’s when everything changed. What had been a protest movement before became a revolution. The day after the puppet fled, he was impeached by the Ukrainian legislature by a vote of 328-0. The people of Ukraine won and Putin’s cronies lost.
All of this was about the Ukrainian people turning their backs on Putin and wanting to become an EU country and a part of NATO, and, ultimately, that’s why Putin is invading the Ukraine. It isn’t about the expansion of NATO into the Ukraine. It’s about the people of Ukraine wanting to join the EU and NATO. Putin is invading the Ukraine to subjugate the people of the Ukraine to his rule, and it is indefensible by the facts.
Not that I’m touting this as a *huge* plus, but…
What makes you think we are going to have such advantages when faced against a technologically advanced enemy that can actually inflict serious damage in return?
No lefties screeching about how we’re oppressing the Russians?
This is garbage in so many ways. You’re regurgitating Kremlin propaganda again.
Putin invaded the Crimea after the Ukrainian people overthrew his puppet.
“In February and March 2014, Russia invaded and subsequently annexed the Crimean Peninsula from Ukraine. This event took place in the aftermath of the Revolution of Dignity and is part of the wider Russo-Ukrainian conflict.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation
Outside of Kremlin propaganda, why does the people of the Ukraine rising up in revolution to kick his crony out of office–for tearing up an agreement to join the EU–give Putin sufficient provocation to invade a foreign country?
Does not compute.
Wherever you’re getting this, you should start reading them critically.
You’re talking about what some leader said or did somewhere–as if that were important. I’m talking about what motivated the Ukrainian people to do what they did, and the CIA simply can’t manufacture that.
When a protest movement against the Ukrainian government arose because their leader rejected the EU framework for Ukraine to join the EU–and he joined up to be part of Russia’s agreement instead–it wasn’t because the Ukrainian people wanted to join the EU. It was because of the CIA–is that what I’m supposed to believe?!
The protest movement persisted. It wouldn’t go away. And when Putin puppet fired on the protesters, and the protest movement exploded in support to become a revolution, it wasn’t because that’s what usually happens when a government fires on unarmed protesters (from the Boston Massacre to the Libyan Revolution). No, the people of Ukraine wouldn’t have cared about unarmed protesters being fired on if it wasn’t for the CIA–is that what I’m supposed to believe?
Do you believe the Tea Party opposed Obama nationalizing GM and bailing out Wall Street with their future paychecks because of the Koch Brothers or don’t you?
The actions of the people of the Ukraine are not explained by the CIA. The people of the Ukraine did what they did because they wanted to be part of the EU rather than live under Putin’s corrupt shadow, and that’s why Putin is doing what he’s doing, too.
To whatever extent the CIA busting some pipes in the basement contributed to the house flooding, it was nothing compared to the once in a century hurricane, the storm surge, and the levees breaking. Build Back Better didn’t fail because of Manchin. Build Back Better failed because Manchin feared the people and voters of West Virginia.
Talking about the CIA and the leaders of West Virginia or the leaders of the Ukraine is talking about the pipes in the basement. The people of West Virginia and the people of the Ukraine are the hurricane. Putin wants to blame what the people of the Ukraine did on the CIA, but the people of the Ukraine didn’t turn their backs on Putin because of the CIA. They turned their backs on Putin because they did not want Putin.
Send all politicians, press, community organizers, administrators, and journalists. And insure they have no access to social media -full blackout. The proles must not be the only ones who fight the stupid wars America’s ‘betters’ involve us in.
Fair, but you’re using Wikipedia cites. You can trust Wikipedia for things that aren’t even a little controversial, like when a celebrity was born, but using it as a cite for this argument while whining about everyone else falling for propaganda is a bit rich.
The only provocation by the Ukrainians was their protest movement against living in Putin’s shadow and the revolution that toppled Putin’s crony.
And you’re still yet to explain why a revolution in some third country is a justification for Putin’s invasion. Is a Russian invasion of Paraguay justified by a provocation if the people of Paraguay reject Putin, too?
Why does a popular revolution in some third party country serve as a justifiable provocation for a foreign invasion? If it was in Russia, I might understand–but Ukraine isn’t part of Russia according to anything but Kremlin propaganda.
Here, this is Kremlin propaganda–straight from the Kremlin.
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
This is probably the ultimate source of any belief you have that the Ukraine is part of Russia.
P.S. Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, and Poland are also not part of Russia–no matter what the Kremlin says.
Ken has resorted to “you’re a Russian bot” style argument to defend his Global World Order handed down talking points.
“Fair, but you’re using Wikipedia cites.”
Wikipedia is an excellent source of links. If you want to see the source of any of the pertinent links, go at it.
My only claims are verifiable facts.
1) The protest against Putin puppet erupted over his rejection of the Ukrainian-European Association Agreement.
Does anyone want to dispute this? If so, check the Wikipedia article for links.
2) Putin’s puppet turned the protest movement into a full scale revolution, with the support of broad swathes of the Ukrainian people–when he fired on unarmed protesters.
Does anyone want to dispute this? If so, check the Wikipedia article for links.
Those are two premises.
I maintain that my opposition to TARP and the nationalization of GM had little or nothing to do with the Koch brothers, and I maintain that the reasons given in the premises above are more than sufficient to explain both the actions of the Ukrainian people and Putin’s subsequent actions–with or without the CIA’s involvement. That logic does NOT depend on anything at Wikipedia itself–it’s just that the argument is based on the facts that are conveniently linked in the Wikipedia article.
To demonstrate my point further, my observation that the shooting of unarmed protesters has notoriously blown protest movements up into full scale revolutions–from the Boston Massacre to the Libyan Revolution of 2011–isn’t based on any logic at Wikipedia itself either–although if you want to attack my argument on the facts, this is a great place to start:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Massacre#/media/File:The_Boston_Massacre_MET_DT2086.jpg
I don’t know of a more accessible place where I can more easily give people a list of links with which to attack my argument on the facts, but I’m open to suggestions.
There isn’t anything neocon about opposing a war over the Ukraine because it isn’t in American interests–despite Putin’s unprovoked aggression.
But there is something very progressive about pretending false narratives are true because they support your position. Because I oppose a U.S. invasion of Rwanda does not compel me to deny genocide.
Because I oppose invading Iraq does not compel me to pretend that Saddam Hussein isn’t a fascist dictator.
Because I support the U.S. withdrawing from Afghanistan does not compel me to pretend that the Taliban will treat women as equals.
And Because I oppose a U.S. war with Russia over the Ukraine does not compel me to spread Kremlin propaganda
Don’t you see, this is how Jane Fonda ended up posing on a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun and vouching for the good treatment of American POWs that were being tortured? I’ve long called it, “Jane Fonda Syndrome”, where you start out with a reasonable position–like opposing the Vietnam War for whatever reason. And then, for some reason, people feel compelled to pretend that the position they want is on the side of the good guys. Before you know it, you’re denying that the North Vietnamese are torturing American POWs! You become a purveyor of communist propaganda, and all she ended up doing was hurting the credibility of the anti-war movement.
Fuck that noise.
Clear eyes. Wide open. Nothing but the facts. Putin’s aggression is unprovoked. The people of the Ukraine are being unjustly subjugated because of their desire for freedom. And I oppose the U.S. going to war over the Ukraine anyway–because it isn’t in the best interests of the United States to do so.
That isn’t neocon at all.
If anything, it’s “America First”.
Ken totes opposes war against Russia, he just thinks it would be morally righteous and justified, and he’s going to post dozens of comments making the case for it.
A lot like people “against” vaccine mandates who spend all their time talking about how wonderful the vaccines are, how covid is a super existential threat, and how anyone who doesn’t take the vaccine is stupid and has a death wish.
If you’re actually opposed to something, you don’t spend every comment trying to make the case for it.
That’s not fair. And neither is Ken’s retort.
I don’t think I’ve seen any of the regular non-moron posters here advocate for war. In fact both of y’all are saying there’s no American interest in going to war with Russia.
“The people of Ukraine are not a monolith.”
The idea that the Ukrainian people protested against Putin’s crony for shredding their agreement to merge with the EU–because of the CIA–is absurd.
The idea that the only reason the Ukrainian people ousted Putin’s crony and turned their back on Putin–was because of the CIA–is absurd. It ignores the fact that they were reacting to Putin’s crony firing on unarmed protesters.
Meanwhile, the idea that the only reason the Ukrainian people turned their back on Putin was because of the CIA–is Putin’s preferred propaganda message. Beware of spreading Kremlin propaganda–especially when it ignores the fact that there were plenty of clear reasons for the Ukrainian people to turn against Putin’s puppet and Putin–without the CIA.
This is exactly like progressives claiming that the only reason Hillary Clinton lost to Trump was because the Russian intelligence infiltrated social media with misinformation–when the reality is that there were plenty of good reasons why average Americans in rust belt swing states would and did prefer Trump to Hillary. No, I can’t deny that Russian intelligence was buying ads on social media–but what difference does that make the larger point? Plenty of Americans didn’t want Trump, but millions of other Americans did–and their support for Trump would have been what it was even if there hadn’t been any Russian activity on social media.
The reason hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians demonstrated against Putin’s puppet regime was not because of the CIA. The reason the Ukrainian people rejected being subject to Putin’s cronies and embraced the entry process into the EU was not because of the CIA. There were lots of good reasons for Ukrainians to not want to be subject to Putin’s cronies with or without the CIA.
And we should always be skeptical of propaganda from the Kremlin that explains away people rejecting Putin’s boot by blaming the interference of the CIA.
In a near peer engagement, it could easily be 7000 in a single week or even a single battle.
Fuck social media blackout, I want to see their selfies from the front line.
Prove that they’re doing what they’re lobbying for others to do.
We have actual emails between McCain and Nuland celebrating their “achievement” with Maidan, plus the precedent of color revolutions, the 2012 astroturfed CIA protests in Moscow directed by Hillary, and the Arab Spring… but we’re repeating Kremlin propaganda?
JFC, Ken. The same pattern of events, behaviors, and messaging publicly taught by the CIA just all spontaneously (magically) happening across the middle east and on Russia’s borders right where the State Department wants it to…
Maidan was about as organic as blmantifa.
It was totally organic and grass roots.
Ken, I love your posts. I love how much thought you put into your comments. But I think you are comically wrong here.
You been getting Atlantic Council checks, Ken?
Maybe some Open Societies bucks?
Preserving democracy in Ukraine?!
It’s about crushing it.
What was I wrong about?
How the people would have protested against a Putin crony for nixing the EU deal–even without the CIA–or how they would have kicked the Putin crony out for firing on unarmed protesters–even without the CIA?