Florida House Passes 'Don't Say Gay' Bill Without Amendment Requiring Principals To Out Students
Problems with the legislation remain, including vague prohibitions that will likely bury schools in lawsuits.

The Florida House of Representatives on Thursday passed a bill which seeks to limit discussion of gender and sexuality in public schools. However, the bill is moving forward without its most controversial amendment: a requirement that schools disclose to parents any changes in a student's "emotional, mental, or physical" health.
According to supporters of House Bill 1557—formally titled the Parental Rights in Education bill and labeled the "Don't Say Gay" bill by critics—its purpose is primarily to support parents' rights to prevent their children from being taught certain concepts about sexuality. "We've seen instances of students being told by different folks in school, 'Oh, don't worry. Don't pick your gender yet. Do all this other stuff,'" Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) said in early February. "They won't tell the parents about these discussions that are happening. That is entirely inappropriate. Schools need to be teaching kids to read, to write."
The bill has drawn the ire of civil liberties and LGBT groups since its introduction in January, but drew national attention earlier this month when bill co-sponsor Rep. Joe Harding (R–Williston) introduced an amendment that would have required school principals to share with parents "child-specific information personally known to the school personnel."
As Reason's Scott Shackford noted, the amendment "pushes school personnel to violate student privacy by telling parents about the student's well-being even if the student doesn't want it (thus potentially outing kids who have turned to school staff for help on an issue they don't want to discuss with parents)."
On Tuesday, Harding withdrew the amendment, saying in a statement to the Tallahassee Democrat that "nothing in the amendment was about outing a student." Harding previously told media that he wanted opponents of his legislation "to go on record to say it's OK for a six-year-old to have one identity in school and one at home because the school encourages that kind of behavior."
Even without the amendment, however, Shackford anticipates that Harding's bill "clears parents (and lawyers) to sue and get damages if schools break the extremely vague guidelines described in the bill."
That's because, like other education bills sweeping state legislatures, Florida's H.B. 1557 has a major flaw: The bill's vagueness will likely ensure that the scope of the intended censorship exceeds the intent of the bill authors.
The bill says that "classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade three or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards." If schools violate these rules, parents can sue them. But those "standards" are clear as mud.
Can a high school English class teach Alice Walker's The Color Purple, a novel which contains an implied lesbian relationship? Can that same school's library stock a popular young adult novel with LGBT characters? Can a gay elementary school teacher put a family photo on his desk?
These questions are already plaguing schools in several states with similar bills. In Idaho, which passed a bill banning critical race theory, Boise State abruptly canceled 52 classes. A Texas administrator, unsure of how to interpret her own state's recent bill requiring "balance" when teaching divisive issues, encouraged teachers to "make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust, you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives."
H.B. 1557 passed the Republican-controlled House with 69 votes in favor, 47 opposed, and three abstentions. It now heads to the Senate, where Republicans hold 24 seats to Democrats' 15.
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"These questions are already plaguing schools in several states with similar bills. In Idaho, which passed a bill banning critical race theory, Boise State abruptly canceled 52 classes. A Texas administrator, unsure of how to interpret her own state's recent bill requiring "balance" when teaching divisive issues, encouraged teachers to "make sure that if you have a book on the Holocaust, you have one that has an opposing, that has other perspectives.""
"Because critics have idiotic views and are trying to be intentionally dense, we should just let them do whatever they want" seems to be an incredibly idiotic take for any government agency.
But you do you, "libertarians".
Hey damikesc... How do YOU "balance" this "thing" called "individual freedom" (if you've ever heard of that) with "forcing people to buy Reason Magazine", as you have advocated?
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
Teachers are employees paid with tax dollars. They get fuck all say above parents (you know, the people that pay their salary).
Teachers are employees paid with tax dollars. They get fuck all say above parents (you know, the people that pay their salary).
People that don't have kids pay their salary, too, if you're going to look at it that way. And how much of their salaries are paid by a given parent will depend on those parents' income and property values and other circumstances.
In truth, their salaries are paid by the local and state governments that employ them. Voters are the ones that determine who runs those.
BTW, this steaming pile of lefty shit recommends murder of un-armed people as a preventative measure to keep them from doing something in the future to which this asshole objects:
JasonT20
February.6.2022 at 6:02 pm
“How many officers were there to stop Ashlee Babbitt and the dozens of people behind her from getting into the legislative chamber to do who knows what?...”
Amazing how schools are the ONLY government agency it is, apparently, horrifying to not blindly trust.
Cannot imagine why libertarianism has not really taken off with spokespeople such as this site.
Parents as individuals obviously have no rights regarding their children. Teachers do.
Schools only exist to brainwash and groom children.
Babysitting, too.
I mean, even if that were true, I would thank heavens it's the case given the idiocy that permeates society today.
I mean, imagine you being the sole arbiter of what your kids learn. They'd be dumber than the dirt outside your door.
Yes, let the dumbest people who attend college make such decisions. Great plan.
Reason doesn't care about teachers. They're mostly concerned that sexual perversion be pushed on kids from every direction. Because as has been said over and over, libertarianism is only about butt sex and pot.
How about ending public education and let the parents send their kids to the school of their choice? Nope well then fuck you all, keep fighting over these stupid issues. Meanwhile 30 trillion and counting and soon all these issues really won't matter.
You’re free to send your inbred little shits to whatever school you want, but I’m not paying for it you slack jawed country bumpkin
I give you a D-
Good one!
There really should be some kind of troll university.
I agree. You really don’t know what to type do you?
The D- comment wasn’t bad though. Try running with it. See where it takes you…
So why then am I forced to pay for your kids??
How else does the government ensure they get in on the ground floor with brainwashing your children?
Oh, sure, present public policy regarding education as a single huge indivisible block that the statists are allowed to build brick by brick, but libertarians just have to criticize as a take-or-leave package. Same regarding that $30T.
It's not a perfect bill but some of the criticisms quoted in the article above are really reaching. The age-appropriateness of The Color Purple is based on the blunt descriptions of rape and violence, not any "implied lesbian relationship". And the plain wording of the bill limits it to "classroom instruction" and excludes the strawmen above about library books and family pictures.
There's lots to criticize about this (or any) bill without making up stuff.
Ya this has been the problem with this bill. The people objecting are using a combination of extreme bad faith and easily provably false strawmen to argue against it.
Its not that different than how they argued against the CRT bills. Its pretty much the same playbook. "R's are pushing for something bigoted and terrible because X strawman...R's hate blacks/LGBTQ/everything!!!"
Dude, AFAICT, that's been the de facto tactic since the start of the LGBTQ movement. African Americans at least had a legitimate gripe in that 100% of every thing they did they did while black and indistinguishably or inseparably because they were black. Homosexuals, OTOH, literally argued both sides of the coin. Just as oppressed as black people but toiling away silently in the closet of every back alley, female gym class, major Broadway production, fashion runway, women's tennis court, rock band, and women's golf tour without anyone aware that they were gay. Blacks were upset because their race was an issue. Gays
wereare still upset because their gayness isn't enough of an issue.It's a reinvention of the old lawyers' adage, "when both the law and the facts are against you, stand on the table and demand justice".
Put another way, when you have no logical argument, reach for the hyperbole and logical fallacy and scream hysterically to prove you're right.
I never saw any family photos on any teacher's desk. If I had, I would have nailed it with spit wads. Just asking for trouble.
Can a high school English class teach Alice Walker's The Color Purple, a novel which contains an implied lesbian relationship?
I read that in high school, and I totally missed that!
I read that in high school, and I totally missed that!
Lots of revisionist fictional history to be had under the banner of 'implied'.
You probably missed the rampant social discussion about how Lincoln was, in fact, gay too. It's implied in the way he wrote his letters. Nevermind the fact that courted a woman who died of Typhus, courted another woman within a year, married a third after the previous relationship dissolved, and produced 4 sons, one conceived less than 3 mos. after the death of a prior son. Nope. He said praiseful things to men in letters where the subject matter was completely platonic otherwise, therefore, gay.
Was that before or after he slew the vampires?
Chronologically within Lincoln's life? IDK.
Here in our reality, the assertion that he was gay or bisexual or whatever was about a decade before the Vampire Slayer documentary was released.
Also read that at my allegedly conservative, religious high school, and it was a point of discussion in class.
But as a private school, we were not as much subject to the whims of politicians or elected school boards.
Anne Frank has an implied lesbian relationship and no one is up in arms about that because the over arching story is one of value. Maybe if libertarians had a little discernment instead of this babe in the woods attitude about their pet issues, they'd have a little credibility.
The last thing we need is more laws written is such a way as to maximize ambiguity.
It would be impossible to completely eliminate ambiguity, but it is a bad thing if legislatures are deliberately being more vague/ambiguous then necessary.
So you want then amending the law for every single work that becomes published? The parents can sue. The courts will decide. That's generally how it works.
It is not so much ambiguity as bad faith actors misrepresenting it and flat out lying. Mow name the law that looks good given that dishonesty.
It's a balancing act. A law that is written too generally will be overturned because the opponents will give an unlikely or absurd situation and argue that the law unfairly includes what it was never meant to. A law written too specifically will be ruled irrelevant to all but a very specific point and place in time.
It's the job of the opposition legal council to determine which argument most exposes the law to being overturned or ruled irrelevant. Either one is a win.
The bill says that "classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade three or in a manner that is not age-appropriate
Next paragraph.
Can a high school English class teach Alice Walker's The Color Purple
Seems to be the next :
"White people want any talk of slavery banned from all schools! Its in the bill!!!"
"Even for the teachers among themselves? As incredulous as it may seem, yes."
And it should be noted that this is the same error committed when Reason ran an article on this bill previously.
So, it's not an "Oh, I didn't know." or "It was just one editor working hurriedly under a deadline." Either they're all getting their talking points from the same place or they're all generally suffering the same mental disease (or both).
It’s the same faulty logic and strawman bullshit that Jeff constantly trots out.
"...or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
That's the part you left out, Jesse. And that's the part that is problematic.
No. It actually isn't. It specifically focuses on grade school and the age appropriateness applies to that part. Youre misreading it.
It's funny that the transgender bathroom law, which actually did remove old standards from business owners and install new ones was a panic on the part of the people who wanted to stick to old, settled customs and standards. But a state having educational standards that include science and biology, for decades, and a new law saying that a specific form of education won't be administered outside those standards causes not-a-panic about standards even existing at all. Despite both sides acknowledging the validity of those standards for decades.
"classroom instruction by school personnel or third parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur in kindergarten through grade three or in a manner that is not age-appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards."
Are you misunderstanding the meaning of "or", or are you just lying?
It’s strange that schools struggle to teach kids to read and write and often fail at that but they somehow manage help them with their gender identities and sexual orientation. It’s like taking your car to a mechanic and getting little in the way of repairs but having the mechanic offer financial advice and cooking tips.
And the financial advice is "Get into a naked bear position frequently and heavily." and the cooking tip is "You start by cutting the breasts off the turkey and throwing them away."
Meanwhile in Canada.
Lulu Cheng Meservey
@lulumeservey
·
Feb 23, 2022
The Canadian government has proposed legislation (Bill C-36) where people can be taken to court and penalized if they’re suspected of being ABOUT TO post something hateful online.
An individual would be able to report another PREEMPTIVELY for something they haven’t said yet.
Lulu Cheng Meservey
@lulumeservey
Alarming aspects, in ascending order:
1) Fuzzy and circular definition of “hateful” speech (“involves detestation…stronger than dislike”)
2) Encouraging citizens to report on one another — creepy
3) The ability to punish people for something they haven’t actually done yet (!)
They are really getting their scopes dialed in on the battle against "wrongthink"
Being a conservative means one is perpetually pissed off about gays kissing.
Whatever you say faggot.
Being a progressive means one is perpetually pissed off about conservatives being pissed off about gays kissing whether conservatives actually are or not.
Being a progressive is being pissed off someone isnt cheering along with the gay kiss.
Currently. But he said perpetually. In a perpetual sense I don't think you'd disagree that the next step is "conservatives are filthy deplorables for not cheering along hard enough" whether conservatives are cheering while wearing 32 pieces of flair or not.
Conservaturds: "Gays kissing is tolerable ONLY if they are kissing the Orange Phallus of Der TrumpfenFuhrer!"
(Meaning that we are all one and the same... One set of rules applies to us all, gay or non-gay; we ALL should be kissing the Orange Phallus of Der TrumpfenFuhrer! One has to admire the ??? even-handedness, even-lipped-ed-ness, incoherent, detached, ambivalent, ambisexual, non-committed, UNBIASED aspects of such a stance, in a certain way! Let us ALL do some kissing now, they say! Kiss and make up with Der TrumpfenFuhrer! All Hail the Orange OverLard!!!)
Never stop being you.
I'm starting to question if your fake wife has fake cancer or if you hate yourself so much this is the fantasy you've created where even your fantasy wife wants to leave you.
It’s the sqrlsy inception.
JesseBahnFuhrer's wife is The Orange OverLard! And She (The Orange OverLard) wears the pants in the family!
Completely ignore that conservatives in general, and Republicans in specific, are more open and accepting of gays and lesbians. And completely fabricate Trump opposition to homosexuality and you’re almost to this post.
You don’t really have room to talk about anything that regards school aged children.
Being a conservative means one is perpetually pissed off about gays kissing.
Being a progressive means a conservative has to:
1. Not be pissed off about gays kissing
2. Not be free to form an opinion about how they feel about gays kissing.
3. Have to take an HR course at work to tell them how to feel about gays kissing in the workplace.
4. Celebrate gays kissing by decorating a cake for them, even if it goes against their feelings about gays kissing.
5. Teach their children that gays kissing is a great thing.
6. Not question whether their 8 YO really needs to know that gays kissing is a thing.
7. Embrace new children's books highlighting gays kissing as a wonderful magic moment.
8. Be labeled as a CIS - non gay kissing person and embrace that label as a non-derogatory judgement.
9. What ever else is demanded to make gays kissing feel good about themselves.
Sadly, most conservatives I know couldn't care less about gays kissing. Protecting children at a certain, age appropriate need to know basis on the other hand seems to make sense to them.
Another dumb as shit summary. Completely disregards any of the cases that resulted in this law where students LITERALLY TRIED TO COMMIT SUICIDE because of teachers trying to convince them they were LGBTQWXYZ. Get a fucking clue asshole and STOP SUPPORTING CHILD ABUSE.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/florida-father-daughter-suicide-school-counseling-gender-identity
I for one sure wish that the modern medical establishment was as data-driven as the CLAIM to be! But NOOOOO, we may NOT collect data, if it might be used (in BAD ways) by the troglodytes!
http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/03/brickbat-dont-ask-dont-tell#comment
I am utterly SHOCKED to learn that NOT offending the “tranny brigade” of PC people is WAY more important than the actual happiness of trannies and potential trannies!!! Or even STUDYING such matters!
Speaking of such things, there are biochemical, often off-label, solutions to your urges towards becoming a tranny, which MIGHT actually lead to better results! To MORE happiness, for many potential trannies! To becoming happy with your body, as it already is! Imagine that!
See http://www.drugs.com/condition/gender-dysphoria.html for “Off Label” uses of drugs for suppressing “gender dysphoria”… 6 drugs listed in web link above, to include (pretty obviously) testosterone…
Also use below as search-string…
“Transgender woman, who claims pills for male hair-loss sparked gender change, opens up about 'life and death struggle'”
Concerns male-hair-loss “…drug Propecia, called finasteride, to halt the onset of hereditary baldness”, which feminized his / her body, and brought around the desire for a sex change, according to him-now-her.
So then Propecia AKA (generic) finasteride sounds like a darned-good choice for an off-label drug use, if you are female, contemplating sex-change to male, and worrying that your marriage might not survive such a sex change… Which is a strong possibility! Try this first, to see if maybe you’d like to stay female, before you make drastic changes…
No one read that.
That's totally untrue. It clearly says,
+1
Thanks for these links. No seriously, as I keep saying, I appreciate when your posts aren’t speckle filled rants and copy pasta.
Also see “The successful treatment of a gender dysphoric patient with Pimozide” at http://www.researchgate.net/publication/14365362_The_successful_treatment_of_a_genderdysphoric_patient_with_Pimozide
(I hope that the PC police won’t be bashing my door down soon, for my sins, in reporting this.)
Everyone's seen that 26-year old study of one patient. The thing is, they've also seen all the other, newer studies of considerably more patients where transitioning was the most effective treatment for gender dysphoria. Like Devries et. al (2014), Murad et. al (2010), Keo-Meier et al., (2015), etc.
See https://reason.com/blog/2017/10/03/brickbat-dont-ask-dont-tell/ , right from the top of that...
"The ethics committee at Bath Spa University, a public university in England, barred a graduate student in psychotherapy from studying transgender people who regret having reassignment surgery."
The "data driven medical and psychological communities" will not ALLOW the study of people who have regretted becoming "trans"!!! We will ONLY study the (supposedly, outwardly) HAPPY trans!!!
Geezum, do you think that there could be some... BIAS in the folks who "study" these matters?!?!?!
Parents whose children don't confide in them are often surprised when they discover their child's identity. Their child has often been dealing with it for many years, but since their parents don't know that, they assume it is a new phenomenon. Often the child begins to express themselves more when they find a supportive environment. The parent will often assume that the supportive environment made them gay or trans. But actually, they were gay or trans all along. They just either didn't know how to, or were afraid to express it.
The article is told entirely from the father's point of view, he hardly seems an unbiased and trustworthy source. From reading it, it sounds like the father had a trans child of some sort who didn't trust him to help her, and turned to the school for help. It's unfortunate that their parents were so untrustworthy that their child was afraid to turn to them for help.
If parents don't want their kids counseled behind their back, there is a simple solution: They just need to stop being horrible. If they are safe and validating to your child they will tell them what's going on in their heads. Everyone complains about the government getting up in parent's business, but the government's casus belli for doing that is to protect children from mistreatment. If you want to weaken the government, stop providing it with so many casus belli!
I did find it amusing that the father's lawyer talks about how children are not "creatures of the state." She acts like she's talking about freedom but what she really means is that she wants children to be oppressed and dominated by their parents, not by the state. The idea that no one should oppress or dominate anyone never even occurs to her.
Nobody "is" "trans". That's a concept they choose to apply to themselves.
Having the State keep secrets with a child from the parent is beyond stupid.
With the children in the neighborhood along with siblings, cousins, and other family and children of adult friends who attend school with the targeted child, how in dog's name will you keep it private?
And, to top it off, the claims made of "horrible" parents, why would you allow a child you keep secrets with from those "horrible" parents be allowed to get on the bus to go home? Don't you care about the child's safety? Why haven't you called Child Protective Services based on your "reasonable fear" of the "horrible" parents?
Why don't you go all the way?
But actually, they were gay or trans all along.
Nope. If the parents were unaware, they *couldn't* be heaping shame on the kid for their gayness/trans identity so the kid developed their own sense of shame about it. Really, the kids were born with a Christian soul, became gay/trans as the result of a biological defect in need of correcting and were ashamed by it because they hold their Christian beliefs centrally and more tightly than their gay/trans beliefs. Go ahead, prove me wrong.
gay/trans
"Gay" and "trans" are utterly different types of category. Don't Frankenstein them together.
Your delusions are strong.
You claim parents aren't supporting.
You claim parents are horrible.
You claim government is "protecting" children while inducting them to suicide.
You claim parents are oppress or dominate their children.
Teachers are getting students into clubs, lying about the purpose of the club, telling the students to not tell their parents about the club, hiding what they're doing. This is grooming technique. You want to encourage this? Really?
https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/12/16/2-california-teachers-accused-of-encouraging-students-clandestine-gender-transition/
Parents whose children don't confide in them are often surprised when they discover their child's identity. Their child has often been dealing with it for many years, but since their parents don't know that, they assume it is a new phenomenon.
You don't have children.
And it shows.
Finally some pushback. The unelected gay activists needed their wings clipped.
Damn, Sally Kellerman has died.
She played 'Hot Lips' in the wonderful anti-war movie - M*A*S*H*.
Donald Sutherland and Elliot Gould were the two main stars. Robert Duvall played Major Burns.
The TV show was a pale imitation.
“I was into mash before it was cool “
More like "I heard the move M.A.S.H was good and want to appear cool so here is what I learned on wikipedia."
Entirely possible.
This is the most likely explanation.
MASH was never cool. Like Neil Young, it was a broadly useful camouflage used to seem cool. People using it to seem cool today might as well be wearing U.S. Woodland camouflage to seem cool.
Unfortunately I only know her from Back To School.
+1
Am I the only one who sees a shadow of the head of an animal like a bear or dog on that rainbow flag?
Yes. Take your meds.
Article in the WaPo the other day said that almost 25% of GenZ identifies as LGBTQ +, compared with about 10% of millennials and 3% of GenX. The article said it was because of greater cultural acceptance, but I don’t think this explains it. It’s not like millennials faced that much more pressure to be closeted. I’m not sure it’s the schools either, more likely the shows kids watch and social media that promote LGBTQ characters.
No, it's a fad, especially among white affluent girls.
Homosexuality has been entirely and completely normalized, which may account for increasing numbers of people who identify as gay or lesbian in society. Stigma is pretty much gone, so people feel less inclined to closet themselves, and that's great. However, it doesn't account for the huge increase among GenZ. I agree with Vernon, a lot of it is a fad or social contagion. It's cool to be gay or lesbian now. Being LGBT now is the "I'm a wiccan" of the twenties.
Which says a lot about how far gay rights have come in society. Less than a decade ago, gays couldn't even get legally married, and "coming out" was fraught with stress and anxiety because you didn't know how people were going to react. Today, it's pretty normal to know at least one, if not several, gay people in your own sphere, and gays are open and out all over pop culture and media and nobody cares.
This bill is in response to social programming going on in schools over transgender bullshit, not gayness. To say it's some kind of sinister attempt to stuff gays back in the closet is ridiculous.
>Harding previously told media that he wanted opponents of his legislation "to go on record to say it's OK for a six-year-old to have one identity in school and one at home because the school encourages that kind of behavior."
Has Harding ever met, or been a kid at school? Everyone has one identity at school and one at home! No one acts the same way around their parents that they do around their friends, especially kids. Everyone has different identities for every situation.
If parents expect to be able to control how their kids act at all times, even when they're not around, they are insane control freaks. Lawmakers should not cater to people like that.
Children need independence, and if parents do not give it to them, I see no problem in other people doing so. If someone gave food to a kid whose parents weren't feeding them they'd be worthy of praise. Similarly, if someone gives independence to children whose parents are failing to provide it to them, good for them.
If the school is actively hiding mental health information from a parent due to a "reasonable" fear that the child is in danger from the parent if the parent knows, then the school is REQUIRED to make a report to Child Protective Services.
Why would YOU (specifically you) allow a child to go home each day to parents you fear will harm that child if the parent finds out about their child's activity at school? Think the other kids (siblings and cousins, nextdoor neighborhood children) won't get that information to their parents and community?
If YOU really believe that parents are a danger to a child then that child must be immediately removed from the parents for the child's safety. But no one on your side proposes that. Why?
That's the retarded part of all this pearl clutching. The FL bill specifically says that none of this disclosure stuff applies in cases of abuse or neglect. The problem is, it also says if a "reasonable person" has reason to fear abuse or neglect, and we all know, progrssives are not reasonable people.
AND, not indulging the trans fantasies of pre-pubescent children is not abuse or neglect.
You're framing this as a problem that individual teachers may accidentally run afoul of and be sued over. But legislation like this is in response to an effort involving events too similar and yet widely scattered to be anything other than a coordinated propaganda campaign. Go ahead, you try wording the legislation in a way the propagandists can't wiggle thru.
Finally some sanity on this subject.
"labeled the "Don't Say Gay" bill by critics"
Which is how Reason headlined it.
So Reason opposes parents being aware of what the state is doing to/for their children.
Libertarian position; no state involvement in education.
Reason is not too sure what their position is at this moment.
Oh, I disagree. They don't know what the bill says and don't care what parents think but they're pretty sure that anything people, even people not necessarily on 'their team', can label as "Don't say gay" is bad. Even ignoring the overwhelming stench of their own dumpster fire takes that they had to walk back on anti-gay wedding pizzerias, jewelers, photographers, Russian assets, superficially credible accusations, etc., etc., etc.
Don't talk about _____! It's against the law!
Do you talk about you sexual habits with young children...or children at all?
Against the law it is if you do.
Want those law removed as well?
What you up to?
Funny how the same people who were mad about the CRT bills because all of a sudden they couldn't say racist things toward children, are the same people seething that they might not be able to push sexual propaganda on K-3rd graders.
If you havent figured it out, you are the evil one in this story.
Funny how the bill doesn't actually say "Don't say gay." and actually forbids unnecessary discussions of sexuality both hetero, homo, and other but people can read "Don't say gay" and assume they aren't just kicking themselves in the groin by arguing on that point. Like women calling for an end to women's suffrage.
That mass murdering sociopath Putin hates gay people too. You rightwing creeps are right where you belong. I bet some of you have gay sexual thoughts. Sexuality isn't so black and white and many of you know it somewhere in that twisted up space between your ears.
Iron law of woke projection continues to bat 1.000
From the Bill to which Reason has referred:
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third
parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur
in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
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Of course there will be battles over what this passage means. But you miss the point. The Left-wingers will now have to publicly announce what they believe to be "age appropriate or developmentally appropriate" for k-3. That's a victory for the Right-wingers.
Left-wingers used to do all their curriculum writing in committees down at the central school offices. NOw they have to do it in public for the entire public to see.
Can't wait to see the "fight."
No, they won't.
3. Classroom instruction by school personnel or third
parties on sexual orientation or gender identity may not occur
in kindergarten through grade 3 or in a manner that is not age appropriate or developmentally appropriate for students in accordance with state standards.
For grades K-3, it is not taught at all.
Dems want to teach CRT and Repubs want religion in schools. Dems say math is racist, repubs say sex ed bad, etc. Like how bout we rid ourselves of public education since its a joke or maybe, I dont know, teach some actual valuable shit to kids...
Good to know that libertarianism at Reason does not include respect for parental rights over respect for the "free speech" rights of educators. God forbid a government agency should be sued for violating a parent's right to direct the upbringing of their children.
Get your kid out of public school. Controversy solved.
Get your kid out of public schoolStop collecting taxes to pay for schools. Controversy solved.FIFY
"pushes school personnel to violate student privacy by telling parents about the student's well-being even if the student doesn't want it"
Students don't have privacy from their parents. Sorry.
Gay students should. Sometimes their life depends on it.
Then they should go to a judge and get emancipated. Until they do that, they may have privacy interests, but they don't have privacy rights. Parents have responsibility for children, the children lacking privacy is the flip side of that, shorn of parental rights, you're talking slavery.
"Privacy rights for children!" is the cry of every pedophile and grooming gang, and ideological fanatic who wants to indoctrinate somebody else's kids without the responsibility of supporting them.
Since at least the invention of birth control, gender roles have been changing. Now that women are no longer society's cattle, the dominant Abrahamic patriarchal paradigm has rapidly shifted to allow for women in the workplace, unconventional relationships, and all the other things we know as modern freedom.
This hasn't taken any power from hetero men that they didn't deserve to have taken from them.
So while I grew up just as gay people were being visible, witnessing marriage equality happen (to my great shock), remembering the lies to family and the underground solidarity of the community and the Christian reactionary hellfire, young people are growing up in an entirely different world.
Maybe it's even hip for young people to have an unconventional sexual orientation or gender. It blows my mind that it would ever be thus, but hey, nerds used to not be cool tool. They used to be shit on by jocks, and all of society went along with it. Then the first one made his first billion dollars, and suddenly they were cool.
The old gender roles are disappearing because we are more free. If you're prone to being a reactionary, this will bother you. But it's still just freedom, and if you actually care about freedom, you'll take whatever bizarre developments in how people choose to be in stride.
Of course the Republican party won't make it easy. We'll see how far they take their hysterical dog and pony show this time. They're moving faster than I expected, which is interesting. "We hate the trans right? They make us feel icky? Might as well start the extermination!"
And to think in 1920 -- 83% of Commie-School administration came directly from local communities by 1950 that State took over 40% of that and by 1960 the Fed (willfully breaking the peoples law) took over 10%.
And Power just keeps flowing upwards like nobodies business until that lovely totalitarian Nation with an elected King appears.
"As Reason's Scott Shackford noted, the amendment "pushes school personnel to violate student privacy by telling parents about the student's well-being even if the student doesn't want it (thus potentially outing kids who have turned to school staff for help on an issue they don't want to discuss with parents)." "
Screw that. Minor children don't HAVE privacy rights against their parents.
“ a requirement that schools disclose to parents any changes in a student's "emotional, mental, or physical" health. “
I can’t for the life of me figure out why anybody would find that controversial. Of course, parents need to know if some issue causes mental health problems, even if the issue is homosexuality.
I myself am inclined to believe that school is a place where a child should receive basic knowledge in a safe environment. So why not keep up with teenagers? They will choose themselves without the use of slogans and propaganda. And when they are 21 or older, they have an open path to an online dating site, such as onenightfriend. There are separate branches for those who consider themselves non-binary persons. Anyone will get a chance for personal happiness. This is a normal situation for me.