Grabbing Guns Won't Reduce Urban Violence
Firearm seizures are ineffective, and gun possession arrests are frequently unjust.

If you want to reduce gun violence, New York City Mayor Eric Adams thinks, you need to go after guns. His plan relies heavily on disrupting gun trafficking, seizing guns, and arresting people for illegal gun possession.
This strategy is unlikely to work. Worse, the focus on gun possession arrests, if it fails to distinguish between people who pose a real threat to public safety and people who carry guns for self-protection, will compound the injustice of systematically denying city dwellers their Second Amendment rights.
"It is estimated that as many as 2 million illegal guns were in circulation in New York City in 1993," the Justice Department reports. Last year, the New York City Police Department seized about 6,000 guns; even at that unusually high rate, three decades of seizures would not have made much of a difference.
Given that reality, attempts to disrupt the supply of guns are not a very promising approach either. For crime guns in New York, the average time between initial sale and confiscation is nearly 12 years.
Philadelphia, like New York, has recently seen sharp increases in homicides. But law enforcement officials in that city are rightly skeptical that gun seizures or supply-side measures are an effective way to tackle the problem.
Between 1999 and 2020, according to a January report from a committee that includes local police officials and Philadelphia District Attorney Larry Krasner, nearly 13 million guns were legally sold in Pennsylvania, an average of more than 1,600 a day. Meanwhile, Pennsylvania law enforcement agencies seized an average of 22 guns per day.
"With so many guns available," Krasner says in the report, "a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns." And if that strategy "entails increasing numbers of car and pedestrian stops," he warns, it "has the potential to be counterproductive by alienating the very communities that it is designed to help."
As in New York, the Philadelphia report notes, "most guns used and/or recovered are those purchased a long time ago, indicating that attempts to limit the future supply of guns now will not impact the current gun violence crisis." The report's analysis of 100 shootings confirms other research finding that criminals typically obtain guns through illegal transfers or theft, sources that would not be affected by new restrictions on sales, such as expanded background checks.
Data from Baltimore, another city where homicides have risen in recent years, likewise cast doubt on the effectiveness of Adams' strategy. Based on 31 years of homicide and gun-seizure data, a Battleground Baltimore report published last week concludes that "seizing 'illegal' guns does not reduce violent crime, although gun seizures and gun possession arrests remain metrics frequently cited by police."
Arresting people for illegal gun possession is not just ineffective; it is frequently unjust. Krasner says gun possession arrests "must be targeted to distinguish between drivers of gun violence who possess firearms illegally and otherwise law-abiding people who are not involved in gun violence."
When "people do not feel protected by the police," Krasner notes, they may "view the risk of being caught by police with an illegal gun as outweighed by the risk of being caught on the street without one." Before he was elected, Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg expressed a similar concern.
"We need to recognize that not every person charged with possessing an illegal gun in New York City is a driver of violence," Bragg said on his campaign website. "My dad had an illegal gun not because he liked guns or because he was 'dangerous'; he had a gun because of crime in the neighborhood."
Bragg has since retreated from that stance, echoing Adams' determination to vigorously prosecute people who carry guns without the government's permission. But law enforcement agencies cannot redeem their failure to protect public safety by locking up people who respond to that failure by exercising the constitutional right to armed self-defense.
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Whenever someone asks me, "Why do you need a gun", the answer is always "You. Because of You."
Scratch a progressive hard enough, and you get a fascist every time.
In 2020, while BLM riots were burning cities, causing billions in damage, and leaving dozens of people dead, leftist mayors were pulling back their police forces, and DAs were letting people go. Purposely letting people's lives, homes, and businesses be destroyed because those in power were allied with the rioters.
I will never support any gun control policy no matter how small for the rest of my life. These people can go eat a bag of dicks.
I made this exact point today !!
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(Video is from BLM protests in May. Lots of property smashing and violence.)
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If they would just outlaw shooting people, (except of course protesters trespassing on public property), we wouldn’t have this problem.
Don't forget once convicted of said crime, with life imprisonment the federal government should then charge them with a hate crime and sentence them to another life imprisonment.
I have a qualitative preference for freedom, so I'd oppose gun grabbing--even if it did reduce urban violence.
Yea, reducing crime is totes the goal...
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Fucking dishonest idiots (I'm talking about you, Sullum).
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Was surprised to find out that DC has a National Guard. I wonder why they do.
They are mobilizing (700?) to assist in traffic control. They will not be issued weapons for that mission. (But I bet they won't be far away)
The DC "national" guard actually does have a military police component, so they better trained for this than ordinary soldiers.
(Of course, the real reason they have a "national guard" is to get around a pesky prohibition against using the military within the US)
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Democrats want more gun laws but they seldom prosecute criminals for the laws already in the books. They will arrest a convicted felon for a crime which involves a stolen gun, then drop the charges for "possession of a firearm by a convicted felon". So, if you aren't going to punish a criminal for possessing an illegal gun, why bother with the laws in the first place. Criminals know this so they certainly aren't worried.
Every time there is a high profile shooting, the left wants to take away the guns from those law-abiding citizens that didn't do it.
Exactly. Another point is that the Democrats got a National Database of people who are not allowed to buy firearms. The problem is that their Public Sector Union employees don't want to do their job and enter information into the database. A few years ago a man ran down several bikers at a rally. During the investigation it was found that his driver's license should have been suspended because of a DUI. Further investigation found out that the reason it wasn't suspended was because record of his arrest hadn't been entered into the system. When that was looked into it was found that hundreds of boxes of documents had been hidden so that the employees responsible for entering them would qualify for bonuses. In those boxes were documents that would have added many people to the Database.
To go one further, Virginia Tech's Medical Services treated Seung-Hui Cho for mental issues that required his name to be added to the Database by Law. They didn't want to embarrass him so they didn't. Cho was then able to buy the guns that he used to shoot up Virginia Tech's campus.
Though it's a pretty safe bet I wouldn't want to rely on the incompetence of Gov employees
Telling the Left that gun control won't reduce crime is futile, because they don't fucking care about it. For them gun control is just another way to punish political enemies.
Gun control has nothing to do with crime, or terrorism, or any of the other pretend reasons parroted by controllers.
Gun control is to disarm the citizens.
That is the only way we can be properly oppressed.
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There's a good chance that 'they' will simply not accept this, The 'fewer guns = less crime' canard is accepted as gospel in their church.
If the most recent trends in NYC are any indication, stabbings are increasing not guns. 6 stabbings over the past weekend which can't be blamed on guns. This should lead people to realize that crimes will be committed by criminals using whatever is available. Concentrate on the criminals not a particular instrument of crimes.
The only solution is common sense knife control, with registration and confisaction. We can't let just anyone possess a weapon of war.
I feel the same way about mace, not the pepper spray
You mean regulations of medieval weapons?
Gun laws only affect the people that you don't have to worry about in the first place.
Ending the war on drugs will end most urban violence the same way ending prohibition put an end to the organized crime wave of the roaring 20s.
Aw you beat me to it. Yes the way to lower gun violence is to end drug prohibition. The Dems never say that though. They won't even legalize weed.
I suspect that this will not be the case. Legal or decriminalized street drugs will have a minor impact on urban crime. It's a socioeconomic, and cultural phenomenon, based to no small degree, I suspect, in people being told that that system is stacked against them based on race/sex.
It's amazing how we are lead by incompetent fools.
It's not amazing at all. It's who Americans vote for.
Exactly.
Look at the number of votes (the real ones) the democrats got, even though their plans to destroy America are proudly published on the web under the title "party platform".
Vote for fascists, get fascism. What a concept.
A libertarian magazine arguing like progressives again: "a policy is valid if and only if it has beneficial effects for society overall".
The problem with that reasoning is not just that it isn't libertarian, the problem is that it doesn't work. If you grab guns hard enough, it will reduce urban violence. It's just that "hard enough" is beyond anything compatible with a free society.
Ditto for other aspects of progressivism/socialism: if you tax/regulate/restrict the economy hard enough, you can eliminate racial, class, and gender inequality; it's just that the price you pay is that you end up living in an impoverished totalitarian society, a price many progressives seem willing to pay (probably because they are already living in poverty and government dependence and they hate anybody who isn't as miserable as they are).
A libertarian can't win arguments with progressives by reasoning about the utility of policies.
"illegal guns"
"the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"
Resolve the contradiction.
There are no 'illegal guns' There are people who use guns in illegal ways.
"With so many guns available," Krasner says in the report, "a law enforcement strategy prioritizing seizing guns locally does little to reduce the supply of guns."
Hey, Krasner got something right!
Yeah, so they'll push for a federal policy. Remember when the mayor of Chicago blamed gun violence in that city on neighboring states?
"Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot has blamed her city's worsening gun violence crisis on neighboring states with less regulation on guns, calling on President Donald Trump for support through firearms legislation and community investment..." Newsweek 7/26/20
No one but convicted felons should be arrested for possession of a firearm, they should only be arrested for illegal USE of a firearm. The Second Amendment guarantees a citizen’s right to keep and bear arms. Nowhere does it say ‘unless some politicians don’t like it.’
The theory and practice of Gun Control as usually offered is fodder for idiots and those for some reason enamored of The Police State. The foregoing puts the thing more politely than is warranted.
Yet Sullum supported a guy who has spent 50 years promoting every anti-gun thought to come down the pike.
Silly argument. The ONLY effective way to reduce gun violence is STOP and FRISK. And for law abiding citizens who want to carry a gun, register it and make it a legal gun.
I'm not suggesting anything, but if New Yorkers want to solve their crime wave, they might want to watch a certain Charles Bronson movie.
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