Stephen Breyer Makes the Liberal Case Against Court Packing
"Think long and hard," Breyer warns would-be court packers, "before embodying those changes in law."

In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court told President George W. Bush that fighting a global war on terrorism did not entitle him to evade constitutional limits on his authority. That decision, Boumediene v. Bush, would go down in the books as one of the most significant modern rulings against wartime government power. "We'll abide by the Court's decision," Bush said. "That doesn't mean I have to agree with it."
What if Bush did not abide by the Court's decision? What if he said the Court was dead wrong and his administration would not be bound by its erroneous judgment? What if subsequent presidents followed Bush's lead and ignored the judicial branch whenever their own favored policies happened to lose in federal court?
Such counterfactual scenarios are the driving force behind Justice Stephen Breyer's timely and important new book, The Authority of the Court and the Peril of Politics (Harvard). The 83-year-old Supreme Court justice is well aware that many modern liberals want President Joe Biden to pack the Court with new members for the express purpose of creating a new liberal supermajority. Breyer thinks those court packers are being both dimwitted and shortsighted. "Think long and hard," Breyer warns them, "before embodying those changes in law."
Court packing is a naked power grab and an attack on the independence of the judiciary. It is a tit-for-tat race to the bottom. One party expands the size of the bench for nakedly partisan purposes, so the other party does the same (or worse) as soon as it gets the chance. Breyer understands this. He also understands something else: If the authority of the Supreme Court is trashed and squandered by court packing, liberalism itself will suffer in the long run.
Let history be our guide. President Andrew Jackson flatly ignored the Supreme Court's 1832 decision in Worcester v. Georgia, which affirmed Cherokee control over Cherokee territory. Jackson defied the ruling by sending federal troops to forcibly remove the Cherokee people from their territory via the infamous Trail of Tears. The rule of law suffers when the political branches ignore the judiciary's judgment. People suffer too.
Breyer worries that today's liberal court packers could severely weaken judicial authority and pave the way for the next Andrew Jackson. "Whether particular decisions are right or wrong," Breyer writes, "is not the issue here." The issue "is the general tendency of the public to respect and follow judicial decisions, a habit developed over the course of American history." One of court packing's biggest dangers is that it will undermine that general tendency.
Breyer asks us to imagine what American history would look like without basic political and public support for the Court's decisions: What "would have happened to all those Americans who espoused unpopular political beliefs, to those who practiced or advocated minority religions, to those who argued for an end to segregation in the South? What would have happened to criminal defendants unable to afford a lawyer, to those whose houses government officials wished to search without probable cause?"
Or take your pick of hot-button modern issues. If the court packers wreck the Court, as Breyer fears they will, what will stop a socially conservative state legislature from prohibiting gay marriage, despite the Supreme Court's clear 2015 ruling against such bans in Obergefell v. Hodges?
Breyer's message is clear and convincing: Liberal court packers should be careful what they wish for.
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Rather than accept a dilution of their power, the SCOTUS of 1933(ish) began to rubber stamp the Constitutionality of FDR's New Deal Programs when he threatened to pack the court.
"A stitch in time saved nine"
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"A switch in time saved nine".
yes the other is a grandma meme
"the next Andrew Jackson".
Huh.... Aren't we already there? Except we have courts that don't even respect the courts. Or the constitution. Or the separation of powers.
We recently had a judge who refused to allow the justice department to drop a politically motivated case in which someone was framed. The appeals court overturned him, until a very partisan circuit court heard the case en banc and ruled in his favor, despite the law (ruling exactly the opposite way on the same point of law the same week, for entirely partisan reasons.
We certainly have a president who could not give two craps about the constitution or the law. He actually has said as much, several times. He personally said the president did not have the constitutional authority to issue mandates on vaccines... Then did so anyway.
Forget "respecting the court", that is a direct violation of his oath of office.
In recent weeks we had a court hand out a sentence for a police officer who mistakenly drew a gun instead of a taser, killing someone. The sentence was very light by the guidelines. In explaining the sentence, she cited the unique facts of the case. The facts in question were the very facts that guilt or innocence of the charged crime hinged on. She literally ruled that she was giving a lighter sentence because she did not meet the criteria for guilt (proving that she was afraid to actually apply the law and issue a verdict of not guilty)
We just had a court rule that a president could be sued for inflicting emotional distress on Congress... Despite supreme court decisions that are exactly on point and explicit that this is not the case. Case law that the court cites itself, and chooses to ignore because "discovery should prove interesting". No, literally... A court ruled that it would ignore the supreme court because it wanted to cause political harm. And better? The appeals court above this judge is the same one I mentioned above.
So, justice Breyer.. perhaps getting your own house in order would be advisable if you want your stern warning on court packing and respect for the court to be heeded. It should be relatively easy... The two most political circuits in the land are right at your doorstep..
Well said.
I haven't met anyone in years that trusted in the courts. Justice has been flagrantly bought and sold for so long, the only expectation is miscarriage.
Same for politicians, though the less abstracted cults of personality around individuals drown out common sense.
So, justice Breyer.. perhaps getting your own house in order would be advisable if you want your stern warning on court packing and respect for the court to be heeded.
I mean, he's a lefty. He wrote the book. That kinda sounds like trying to get his house in order. At least on this point.
*shrug*
Isnt Roberts in charge of getting the Court House in order?
I thought Trump was already the next Andrew Jackson.
Shot from the hip and gut-shot the critter.
"The switch in time that saved nine" is the phrase, originally a quip by humorist Cal Tinney,[1] about what was perceived in 1937 as the sudden jurisprudential shift by Associate Justice Owen Roberts of the U.S. Supreme Court in the 1937 case West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish.[2]
The "switch" came in the case West Coast Hotel Co. v. Parrish, when the Court announced its opinion in March 1937.[2] Roberts switched sides and joined Chief Justice Hughes, and Justices Louis Brandeis, Benjamin N. Cardozo, and Harlan Fiske Stone in upholding a Washington minimum wage law. The decision was handed down less than two months after President Franklin D. Roosevelt announced his court-reform bill. Conventional history has painted Roberts's vote as a strategic, politically motivated shift to "save nine", meaning it defused Roosevelt's drive to increase the number of justices on the Supreme Court beyond nine.
The ruling marked the end of the Lochner era, a forty-year period in which the Supreme Court often struck down legislation that regulated business activity.[9]
"what will stop a socially conservative state legislature"
Federal troops.
https://reason.com/2022/02/21/californias-unconstitutional-bacon-ban/?comments=true#comment-9366894
Lord of Strazele: Lol, yeah sure. That's the rule. States can't regulate businesses. You guys are something else.
Your totalitarianism is showing again.
He’ll just deny saying it later.
The court has already been packed with the theft of 2 appointments from popularly elected presidents given to one rejected twice by voters, while 3 others were appointed by another president voters had rejected.
I feel your pain, loser.
A fascist out in the wild. Imagine that.
Yep. No incentive to not play partisan politics. It's how Republicans are winning anyhow. Using a system that clearly doesn't favor the majority to ensconce minority rule.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/388781/political-party-preferences-shifted-greatly-during-2021.aspx
More US voters identify as Republican or leaning republican than democrat or leaning democrat.
Packing the court right now would be exactly against the popular will of the people.
Which "people?" To assholes like rasberry, only certain people count.
You’re free to leave anytime.
Comes down to Senate confirmation, and things like nuclear options.
Right, as the article addresses, doing what is expedient for you today may not work out so well tomorrow.
Rather like empowering a government to force "others" to do what you want; has a way of coming back to bite you on the ass.
They call it Joe Friday
And Tuesday's just the same...
Except presidents aren't "popularly elected".
It bears mention that Jackson was a Democrat.
And he was dead wrong. What is your point numb nuts?
Made it for me, nice assist.
Increasing the size of the SC has been back-burnered, it seems.
At least until Congress sees which way the wind is blowing in 2022 elections. It is hardly a foregone conclusion that the GOP will retake the Senate as one expects the chicomvirus panic will be in the rear-view mirror and many folks will be in a good mood with their lives returning to normal, and the inflation blamed on greedy GOP business owners instead of reckless spenders.
It's not going to be close.
"Court packing is a naked power grab and an attack on the independence of the judiciary. It is a tit-for-tat race to the bottom. One party expands the size of the bench for nakedly partisan purposes, so the other party does the same (or worse) as soon as it gets the chance. Breyer understands this. He also understands something else: If the authority of the Supreme Court is trashed and squandered by court packing, liberalism itself will suffer in the long run."
Except this clearly ignores that Republicans don't care anyhow. They did a naked power grab in appointing 3 justices that they favored and denied Democrats 2 of those. What incentive do the Democrats have to NOT pack the court.
It's already partisan and has been shown clearly as such in the past 5 years. Pack it and forget it. Besides that, do you think a president like Trump wouldn't just ignore them anyhow if they ruled against them? Packed or not, that kind of maneuver exists regardless.
Breyer's argument is pretty hollow and ignorant of current political reality. It's some kind of idealistic bullshit that has no bearing in reality.
You mean the GOP had the votes to win?
Indeed Rasberry, it's already broken. When the court has a majority of justices appointed by President's never approved by voters and 2 of them are in seats that were denied to popularly elected presidents, you can't claim there is an "institution" that must somehow be saved from partisanship. The Republicans stopped playing by the rules 6 years ago and continued that with Garret's rushed appointment AFTER 2020 presidential voting had begun.
What the fuck are you talking about, "Presidents never approved by voters?" Are suggesting that some guy just walked into the oval office and said, "I'm president," and then appointed supreme court justices?
Or do you mean that the duly elected president nominated justices to fill vacancies, per the constitution, and his nominations were confirmed by the Sentate, per the Constitution, and you would rather scrap the Constitution and rule of law, in favor of rule of men?
“ What incentive do the Democrats have to NOT pack the court?”
Their popularity has already failed. They don’t want to piss of voters any more than they already have.
Pro-tip: they don’t even talk about legislation anymore, they’re so demoralized. Do you think they’re going to start up a new court-packing initiative?
-WITF is he babbling about? This is Reason, not Daily Kos
It's fascinating how you advocate for one-party totalitarian rule because... you fear one-party totalitarian rule.
The funniest part is you're advocating for this against projected windmills.
"Think long and hard,"
Now that's asking an awful lot of some folks.
This is what Democrats (and Republicans) don't understand. Sometimes the Republicans (or Democrats) come to power. Imagine if Obama had packed the courts, Trump would be packing it too. Soon the SCOTUS means nothing as each new president keeps expanding it.
When Trump was elected the Democrats couldn't believe it. We had four years of them bemoaning the overarching powers that Trump had. But Trump inherited those powers because Democrats gave them to Obama. And Obama inherited powers that Republicans gave Bush. Everyone how deathly afraid of Sleepy Joe because he now was the powers Republicans gave Trump.
The answer is NOT ever more powers for the presidency. The answer is to strip those powers away, to the point that having the wrong dude in in the office is no longer a scary thing. We need to have a republic that can work EVEN when the wrong people are in power.
We had that; then we let women vote.
repeal the 19th!
"President Andrew Jackson flatly ignored the Supreme Court's 1832 decision in Worcester v. Georgia, which affirmed Cherokee control over Cherokee territory. Jackson defied the ruling by sending federal troops to forcibly remove the Cherokee people from their territory via the infamous Trail of Tears."
The Supreme Court specifically decided *not* to interfere on behalf of the Cherokee Nation.
The Worcester decision was that a white missionary didn't need Georgia's permission to be in Cherokee territory. The Georgia trial court defied this decision and said Worcester *did* need Georgia's permission and should be in prison for not getting that permission. After a standoff, the governor of Georgia pardoned Worcester.
So, numero uno, the Supreme Court (indirectly) got its way eventually. And second off, as Charles Warren explained 100 years ago, it's hard to imagine what Jackson could have done...the only order to be obeyed was by the Supreme Court to the Georgia court...should Jackson have sent troops to order the state judge to make the ruling required by the Supreme Court? If the case had gone further, the Supremes could have issued a decree requiring Worcester to be released from prison, and *then* Jackson could have been called upon to enforce the ruling, but it never came to that point.
And numero two-o, releasing Worcester didn't stop the Trail of Tears.
overturn Marbury v. Madison.
and stop electing judges it creates bias.
What if Bush did not abide by the Court's decision? What if he said the Court was dead wrong and his administration would not be bound by its erroneous judgment?
You can only do that during a pandemic!
Is it perhaps just possible that even the Warren's and Sanders's (and their mirrors on the right when the Dems are in power) are full well smart enough to understand the truth about this (court packing will never end once it start) but are working on the assumption that it's good PR to scream for it just the same, and hope that when push comes to shove, someone else will be smart enough to not pull the plug at the last moment before the damage is done?
Seriously, I despise the Warren's etc, but are they really that dumb, or just that out for a good issue to stir things up?
The problem is, if you play with matches, you're likely to get burned.
gawds we need a preview function back.....
...once it starts.....
....smart enough to pull the plug....
It’s adorable that they believe if the National Socialist Par….eh Democrat Party packs the court the other side would ever get a chance to pack it as well. Look at Venezuela, they packed the court has the other side even come close to being in power since? If they pack the court it is game over for the Republicans, they can Jan 6 anyone who attempts to challenge their authority, just look at Canada.
Thank you for that statement of reality. Reason writers have their collective heads up their ass. Reason has become a rubber stamp of the Democratic party themselves, and are all suffering from TDS to boot.
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We could peacefully return to 50 Laboratories of Democracy with a common need for Defense and Property Rights. As we were around 1890 or so.
Repeal the Legislative and Judicial Twentieth Century and have a do-over.
Are you familiar with [Article V] Constitution of States? Their resolutions, which just recently passed in the 17th State Legislature [so they are half way to 34 to mandate such a convention] specifically called for term limits, fiscal restraint, and [admittedly broad] "limits on federal power."
I like the idea, as a peaceful and constitutionally sanctioned means to rescind government overreach, but honestly I have a hard time seeing it work out that way. Legal or not, if it does come even close to fruition, the MSM will shit it's pants and those who cannot conscience loss of big government as provider to them and prosecutor of those they don't like, will react violently.
This is increasingly true every day. We have two groups whose view on rights and liberty are fundamentally opposed to each other. There is no compromise to be had, because the disagreement isn't over the details of policy. It's about the nature of freedom. You can't compromise on that.
The problem is, those that value freedom and individual liberty would be happy to just let the other half go peacefully and do their thing. But the other half, by their nature, can't allow that. Their worldview doesn't allow for just leaving people alone. Their worldview requires that all must be subject to their concept of "freedom."
I would love nothing more than an amicable national no-fault divorce, where both parties just go their separate ways. But that's just not possible with the other crowd. Unfortunately, we're in a situation where one side has to win and the other side has to be eradicated. I would prefer that to happen without bloodshed, but I don't know if that can happen anymore.
At significant expense of the populace first.
Yeah, this is going to suck.
I'd be totally on board with more devolution to the states. Keep the tax dollars closer to home and laws more applicable to the people who live there.
Even better if it devolved the power further to cities as it's pretty clear that rural and urban interests and desires are quite far apart as well.
Sounds good to me.
I think a whole lotta people like indoor plumbing more than caring about ephemeral rights and won't give it up for some future good.
And you are probably right. Will we be willing, as did the Continentals in 1774, to take that step toward rebellion that will either result in either victory or execution?
Been reading Washington's Immortals; what strikes me most is that we tend to gloss over and forget that the outcome of that revolution was far from pre ordained; in fact it was far from it. And for something like that to succeed it takes a shit load of courage and very inspired leadership. \
And like that rebellion, any future one will have enemies in front of us and behind us; if you doubt that just read some of the comments by the authority loving assholes that post hereabout.
There's no peaceful solution when psychotic totalitarians have all power and a significant portion of the population is completely brainwashed into being psychotic totalitarian tools themselves
He thinks he can lord it over the rural areas.