My My, Hey Hey, Neil Young's Songs Are Here To Stay (Just Not on Spotify)
Three and a half lessons about Neil Young, Joe Rogan, Spotify, and our age of cultural plenitude

Some of music legend Neil Young's very best songs are angry and filled with howling, so it kind of makes sense that the two-time Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee's biggest burst of publicity in years comes courtesy of an ALL-CAPS ultimatum to the streaming service Spotify.
"I want you to let Spotify know immediately TODAY that I want all my music off their platform," he wrote to his manager in a since-deleted public letter on his website. "They can have [Joe] Rogan or Young. Not both." Young was popping his gaskets over Rogan's controversial and sometimes misinformed takes on COVID-19, which have led a bunch of doctors to demand that Spotify, the exclusive host to the planet's most popular podcast, "immediately establish a clear and public policy to moderate misinformation on its platform" (emphasis in original).
Spotify's response both to the M.D.s and "Mr. Young" (as Lynyrd Skynyrd once mockingly called him) was basically See you later! "We have detailed content policies in place and we've removed over 20,000 podcast episodes related to covid-19 since the start of the pandemic," a Spotify spokesperson told The Washington Post. "We regret Neil's decision to remove his music from Spotify, but hope to welcome him back soon."
That seems unlikely, at least in the near term. What Young's convictions may lack in detailed understanding of a given topic, they more than make up for in moral certitude. (Check out his 2009 financial crisis song "Cough Up the Bucks" and let me know what you think.) But who knows? In the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Young was one of the first big rock stars to sonically enlist in the Global War on Terror, a position he ultimately reversed without much explanation.
His November 2001 song "Let's Roll" didn't charge the charts like hijackers piling into a cockpit, but it left absolutely no question about Young's point of view. The title came from the last known words of a passenger on United Flight 93 as he and others attacked the hijackers, crashing the plane in rural Pennsylvania rather than letting it fly into the White House or the Capitol. "You've got to turn on evil," sang Young, who had long cultivated a fringe-wearing, peace-and-love persona. "When it's coming after you/You've gotta face it down/And when it tries to hide/You've gotta go in after it." As he received a "Spirit of Liberty Award" from the liberal group People for the American Way in December 2001, he endorsed the PATRIOT Act and told the surprised crowd that "to protect our freedoms it seems we're going to have to relinquish some of our freedoms for a short period of time." Just a few years later, Young reversed course and became an outspoken if clichéd critic of the new security state, even calling for the removal of President George W. Bush in a (not very good) song called "Let's Impeach the President."
So who knows where the artist nicknamed Shakey will land in a few months or a few years? Regardless, there are more than a few lessons to be learned from this contretemps. Here are three-and-a-half at the front of my mind.
First: We live in an incredible world of cultural plenty, one simply unimaginable in 1966, when Neil Young joined a group called the Mynah Birds that featured future felonious funkmaster Rick James, a couple of guys who would help form Steppenwolf, and an eventual Buffalo Springfield bandmate. For all the controversy over how Spotify pays artists, the service itself is a universal jukebox that gives listeners access to more music than they know what to do with. (As of yesterday, before it complied with his request and took down his catalog, Spotify said Young pulled over 6 million monthly listeners.) At the start of this century, even in a piece extolling the vast proliferation of culture, I couldn't imagine a free (well, ad-supported) streaming service that gathered virtually all the world's songs in a single app that you can access on your phone. It also hosts an endless number of podcasts, too. And of course, Spotify is just one platform among countless others that allow creators and audience to meet.
Indeed, Neil Young's complete catalog is easy to find, usually for free, elsewhere on the Internet. (If you want to, for 20 to 100 bucks a year at his website, you can get something approaching personal access to the man himself.) I spent a good chunk of today roaming around YouTube listening to and watching Neil Young clips, such as a strange, wonderful, batshit-crazy duet he did with Devo for the 1982 cult movie Human Highway.
That leads me to my second point: Generally speaking, it's a mug's game to demand that a given platform, service, record label, publishing house, or whatever conform to your singular moral demands. I hesitate to point out something that Neil Young, who has an official YouTube channel, probably already knows: Joe Rogan is also on that platform, with nearly 12 million subscribers. Should Neil Young, in the name of consistency, issue an ultimatum to YouTube and then bolt when the service refuses to yield to his demand? Where exactly does this sort of thing stop? Maybe all of us at our own paywalled sites, secure in our purity of association but with much less to talk about.
And that leads me to my final lesson-and-a-half: It's a damn shame that Neil Young, age 76, is throwing one of the great OK, Boomer rage quits in recent memory. Talking with some of the younger people in my life (with "younger" generously defined as anyone born after the 1983 release of Everybody's Rockin', the album that led Geffen Records to sue Young for producing "not commercial" music), most of them had little to no idea who Neil Young was until this moment. If you are of a certain age, Neil Young was not simply one singer among many; he was a titan among gods. He reeled off a string of records from the late 1960s through the mid-1980s that helped define the upper limits of what rock music could accomplish as an art form. All at the same time, he could be folk, country, psychedelic, punk, and metal. Arguably, no male performer gave greater voice to the great cultural letdown after Woodstock while also embracing the still-underappreciated lifestyle liberation that made the '70s a fantastic time to be alive. (Joni Mitchell would be the female equivalent.) Just as important, if anything about rock music can be said to be important, he served as a bridge into the future, adopted by bands such as Pearl Jam as the grandfather of grunge and what came next in the alternative '90s.
The cranky old man we see in front of us is not the whole person. We do well to remember our heroes in their prime as well as their dotage. And—this is the half-lesson I warned about—we also do well to remember that we listen to musicians for the best music they make, not the worst fits they throw.
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Just a few years later, Young reversed course and became an outspoken if clichéd critic of the new security state, even calling for the removal of President George W. Bush in a (not very good) song called "Let's Impeach the President."
To be fair to Young about 80% of Americans eventually "reversed course" on Bush. Die-hard partisan Republicans now openly admit Dumbya was an unmitigated failure in every way.
And now dubya is embraced by the democrats.
Only because they hate Donnie-Boy more.
Dubya is a nice guy. He didn't traffic in personal insults like the Con Man does.
It also shows how shallow Democrats are.
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Stupid son of a bitch!
Guess the president who said that!
Biden thought he was off mic.
Be real. He's old. You can't claim he is senile then expect him to not forget things like that.
Oh, he didn’t think anyone would hear, That makes it all good to lying scumbag
like you.
He did not think he was off mic. Zero chance. He's just an asshole.
He always has been.
He’s also stupid. I doubt his IQ was over 90 even in his prime.
Have you seen the video of him “debating” Thomas Sowell?
Check that out for some entertainment.
Really? Zero chance. You know that how?
Shit up Dee.
Shut up!
He always shits up
He was answering questions from reporters. Are microphones typically off in such scenarios?
"I thought I was off camera" says the man who robbed the store.
Bush is not a nice guy. He is war criminal. He invaded a sovereign country and his orders killed thousands or more civilians and ignited a whole bunch of other regional wars. His "big govt' DHS created a deep state now taken over by the bolsheivik left to attack anyone who disagrees with this. His "big govt" everyone who has a pulse should own a house was a driving factor in the subprime meltdown and QE and the rest of the massive money printing. Honestly, he was the ultimate boomer..shallow, not very smart, manipulated (by the neocons).
Bush has good party manners. He’d make a wonderful 14th at a dinner party. Apparently That’s all some people want in a president, To appear to be congenial, Collegiate, placid and white collar.
To their thinking, your talking about policy, competency, cause-and-effect and stuff, is irrelevant to what matters. What matters to them is feeling comfortable, and seeing a projection of their ideal, reflected in somebody important. (My gosh, doesn’t he speak well)
He is war criminal. He invaded a sovereign country
Do you include Bill Clinton and Barak Obama on your list of "war criminal"s? After all, they both bombed sovereign countries and killed a lot of people without so much as authorization from Congress.
Hell I'd go back to LBJ and Truman.
Yeah, one of my more progressive friends used to say during Trump's presidency -
"Remember the Good Old Days when Bush was the Devil?"
dubya AND dick cheney.
Revered and embraced by the DNC, with gusto.
TDS is a bitch, but apparently it helped them drop that "anti-war" mask (we all knew wasnt true in the first place)
Nailed it through the board.
The democrats are lauding Satsn himself. You don't have to ponder which side is wrong when they onecside is siding with a Cheney.
It's a calculated move.
Your naive progressive sees Democratic senators rush to fondle Dick Cheney on bring-your-daddy-to-work day, and your naive progressive vomits all over the place. The horror of treating well a man who invented lies to justify invading a country to steal its oil and failed.
But some simpleton in suburban Wisconsin sees that, maybe hears the little Republican voice of yesteryore. "I remember that guy. The only buffoonish thing he did was shoot a guy in the face. If Democrats and that guy are getting along, maybe there is something really, really wrong with the psychotic trash I've been pulling the lever for because (R)."
Has the thought ever occurred to you that those "simpletons" are more principled that you believe? They're not gonna turn to their ideological enemies so easily, not when the Democratic Party has shifted to the left.
You aren't the brightest thinker around, Tony.
You post this drivel and call others simpletons? Not very self aware are you?
Meanwhile the Democrats can't get Cheney's dick out of their throats.
The democrats are getting spitroasted. Dick’s dick on their mouth, and Liz’s cock in their ass.
I'm calling shenanigans on young pulling 6 million listeners a month. How much of that is from Spotify putting Neil into random channels
Yeah, you're right.
"Pulling" is when someone is at the spotify for the sake of that artist. A lot of boomer rock acts just get a lot of play because they always have on "classic rock" radio and the like. So they're algorythmically likely to show up in a generated playlist. Type in Classic Rock and you'll get to something of his along with the rest of the fogies.
Rogan podcast listeners are more likely to be there specifically for Rogan. And they are also a way better target to advertise to, a younger, active demographic with tastes easily tracked and catered to.
Spotify pays one penny per song played.
Young would bring in $60,000 in a six million song month.
6,000,000 x .01
Stop slurping over your pretend boyfriend.
Not to mention Rogan is still creating content, while Young is not so much anymore.
Young released a new album in Dec 2021 called <i<Barn.
Yes, I am a fan.
But I have been away for two days and I missed all the insults.
Anyone can release trash.
We only insult you when you’re posting here pedo. Go away for good and we’ll stop insulting you.
He’s looking forward to the glorious day Biden legalizes his perversion.
You have been on your Ali sock dumbass.
Ha, I kinda met him once. I walked into my ear, nose, and throat doctors’ office and there was Neil Young waiting for His appointment. I was too starstruck to say anything to him.
And I kept thinking, “I hope they don’t fix his singing voice.”
Buttplug has a similar experience when he went to the pediatrician and met Jared Fogle.
And I had the fortune of attending a few of the Bridge Concerts. They were fucking amazing.
That never happened.
You have been caught posting child porn to this site and banned for doing it. Why don't you go, put away this handle forever and post under one of your additional socks. Just let the SPB pedo identity die, because the fact that you continue to post here using that identity is a giant fuck you to anyone who dislikes the trafficking of CP and actually does much to tar the reputation of the rest of your lefty crew.
Because you are a cocksucking liar, that is why.
He’s to old for you.
Buttplug won’t date anyone over 13.
Oh, is he employed by CNN?
-jcr
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a TDS-addled asshole and apathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
It’s a proven fact that you’re a pedophile. Your denials mean nothing.
You’re a nasty leftist shitweasel who outed himself as an avid pedophile. You will always be excoriated here.
If you’re not going to do the right thing and take your own life, then at least stop posting here.
Rogan had scientists who unlike Collins and Fauci actually do research on regarding covid. The "medical experts' who published their letter were actually few actual practicing docs and researchers in virology.
As for Young. First day in High School in Sept 1979 in my comparative eastern religion class the teacher asked if we thought God was old or young. A complete stoner behind me stood up on his desk and yelled "Neil Young is god." I listened to the Who, LZ and was getting into the Clash, Jam, Black Flag, Dead Kennedys back then and thought Young sucked..still do.
Weller is Mod god.
Yup
It's also funny to mention that and not say how many listeners Rogan gets. Rogan adds several pieces of new long-form content to the platform every week and gets many millions more listens. He has several un-skippable ads per episode. In short, no matter how great the laurels Young is resting on he can not compete with what Rogan brings to the platform.
Further, Nick really does need to do better to discuss the substance of the conflict rather than going off on a 70s punk rock tangent. Statements are not controversial just because they don't repeat establishment narratives. Joe Rogan isn't lying about stuff even if his guests could be. He gives a platform for a wide range of ideas to be discussed by all sorts of people. That is the kind of free speech Nick should be vociferously defending.
Also, even if there are incorrect things being said about covid on his podcast it is worth noting that it isn't a health/science podcast. He doesn't claim to be an authority. If they want to go after him for health misinformation then they need to go after health podcasts that push crystal therapy and other quackery
Pleather doesn't often discuss or defend civil liberties, other than in platitudes. As for his stupid take on young being punk or metal, er, fuck no. He's a sad old hippie shit, as stuck is his stupid and ignorant rut as RAK.
Neil Young reminds that the cranky old man we see in front of us is not the whole person. We do well to remember our heroes in their prime as well as their dotage. And—this is the half-lesson I warned about—we also do well to remember that we listen to musicians for the best music they make, not the worst fits they throw.
Even if those fits are agitating in favor of the establishment in the form of the world's most powerful corporations and the far-reaching powers of the deep state?
I don't know. I'd still listen to his music if I didn't find it very boring.
Only because they hate Donnie-Boy more.
Dubya is a nice guy. He didn't traffic in personal insults like the Con Man does.
It also shows how shallow Democrats are.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Turd can’t stop posting child porn.
Boring describes his music at its best. Unfortunately, it goes downhill from there.
I'm not gonna throw Rage Against the Machine's old stuff out just because they're Rage for the Machine now.
But they will be held accountable.
I love listening to the Tom Morello show on Sirius XM, but fuck man. That guy would be the first to cheer the goons firebombing your store, and would lecture you on the power of collective action as they marched you off to the gulag. I'm pretty glad that he put his talents to being a guitarist instead of a politician where he might have done some real damage.
Has he gone as far as Howard "I don't LIKE censorship...but censor Joe Rogan" Stern?
How many people are disillusioned to learn that some of their favorite personalities were full of shit from the word go?
Yep.
Ironically, when they were big in the 90s I thought they were just edgy kids saying Fuck to lash out.
Now I'm older but I'm all FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME!
When I heard they were breaking up I gave my best friend (who introduced me to them when they first came out) so much shit about how they finally realized they WERE the machine.
RATM Sucks.
Don’t buy that.
His ultimatum to Spotify went against the spirit of open mindedness that the Sixties counterculture supposedly stood for. Right now, Joe Rogan is better exemplifying that spirit.
BUT, Neil Young isn’t being pro-corporate or pro-deep stare. Nice try, but that’s a huge stretch.
He’s as pro state as anyone, you lying shit.
And why did he feel so adamantly about them kicking off Rogan?
BUT, Neil Young isn’t being pro-corporate or pro-deep stare. Nice try, but that’s a huge stretch.
We'll just ignore that he sold over 50% of his catalog to old white guys in suits because we're all friends here.
Relevance to the Spotify episode?
Neil Young is 100% pro state.
a southern man don't need him around anyhow
So that "bunch of doctors" looks to be less than half actual practicing MDs. Even if you throw in the PhDs, it's a lot of non-doctors.
The majority were PHDs, psychologists (a field heavily dominated by lefties and women currently), and other misc characters.
Would be nice if the media would label itself as "misinformation" after an embarrassing claim like this.
There was also a veterinarian, a dentist, some nurse practitioners and a couple of first year med students.
Are you saying Reason wasn’t being completely honest?! Why I never.
Even if they all were, 250 is such a small number as to not matter.
Cinnamon Girl. everything else is zzzzzzzz and CSN was better without the Y
Young was 99% of CSN&Y over their full careers. The other three were nothing after Deja Vu.
'Like a Hurricane' and 'Cortez the Killer' are two of the greatest rock songs ever performed.
"after Deja Vu" is about the cutoff on CSN I agree although I loved "just a song before I go" when I was a kid
>>'Like a Hurricane' ...
just watched both they're lovely performances yes. I wouldn't walk out of a show or anything I just never really cared past Cinnamon Girl.
"Cortez the Killer" criticizes the conquistadors, OK. It also has a verse that seems to provide an apologia for Aztec human sacrifice as some kind of community service.
From that POV.
One of his classics is 'Down by the River'.
She could drag me over the rainbow
And send me away
Down by the river
I shot my baby
Down by the river
Dead, ooh
Shot her dead, ooh
One of his best.
Faggy
turd lies. turd is a pathological liar and a TDFS-addled asshole besides, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Cinnamon GirlEveryone Knows This is Nowhere.FTFY
Jokes on Neil, anyway. His best work, CSNY, is still on Spotify.
Long Live David Crosby!
I don't need him around anyhow.
Lynyrd Skynyrd got that memorable line out but Young was the anti-authoritarian libertarian angry that cops shot those four protestors in Ohio.
As a Southerner I liked it at the time.
Now he’s a censor.
Yep. Neil is going to keep on rocking’ in the free world.
You also posted CP to this site. You continue to post under this handle which is a fuck you to the Reason staff who don't want CP on their site, and it also makes your side look deeply creepy as fuck when they get caught in nodding conversations with a pedophile. Honestly, you should be ashamed of yourself, but since you've never shown any sense of shame, you should understand that every argument you ever make on this site under the SPB moniker will be footnoted with someone pointing out that it is the argument of a person who was caught posting CP. Is that really what you want?
You’re doing the lords work Overt.
Too bad it falls on deaf ears.
Don't stop it, let it use the handle and let the others interact with the pedophile. It makes their in-group's hypocrisy that much more shitty.
turd lies. turd is a pathological liar and a TDFS-addled asshole besides, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental.
turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Neil Young should never have been granted citizenship. Censorship is for Canada not the United States.
Why do you think he left Canada.
Karen talked to the manager and got owned.
this. plus siriusXM opened up a Neil Young channel on 27 so she has the spotlight over there
Very satisfying. The manager said "thank you very much, please pay your bill and dont come back"
Meanwhile, Rogan's podcast numbers will probably go up as a result of this.
Yawn.
The only people he ends up punishing are himself and people who like him who use Spotify. I doubt Young is more than a blip as far as their revenue, and Rogan is a major investment for them.
Skynyrd's line was criticizing Young for painting with too broad a brush. His own spreading misinformation.
Painting Southerners with too broad a brush, while ignoring Yankee racism, which was and is arguably worse.
Is. If you want to see racism, find the people who consider themselves the elite in a liberal, northern college-educated town or city. The folks who know what's best for everybody, who talk down about people, refer to themselves as their betters. Racism of all sorts exists everywhere, but the left has pretended they are immune and that only flyover country, the South, and the less well to do are racist.
Hang out in Ithaca NY
Maybe people who like him who are on Spotify. Young doesn’t need the money.
He sure as hell needs the attention.
Young does not seem to own his catalog. Not sure how he gets any money from Spotify given that the songs aren't his any more,
https://reason.com/2022/01/27/my-my-hey-hey-neil-youngs-songs-are-here-to-stay-just-not-on-spotify/?comments=true#comment-9328060
I touched on this today: https://simulationcommander.substack.com/p/censors-gonna-censor
Of course, much more worrying than Neil Young attacking Rogan is Vivek Murthy attacking Rogan and saying that banning him would help curb misinformation.
Murthy can say whatever he wants. He cannot ban Rogan.
No he can only pressure the people who can. Sort of like government hiring a private security agency made up of ex-cops to break into your house and search it without a warrant, and claiming you didn't break the Fourth.
If the government doesn’t do it, it doesn’t matter.
He can try. Spotify can push back, and the government can still get in trouble if they cross certain lines, most notably the First Amendment.
This talking point is used by right wingers with way too little thought.
Liberals always said when they were not in control of everything that misinformation is best cured by free speech. Not they don't...interesting huh? F them and f big tech the modern day Bolsheviks..
I have been to a number of Bridge School Benefit concerts. Every single time I've left before Neil Young's set. Meh.
"Young was popping his gaskets over Rogan's controversial and sometimes misinformed takes on COVID-19"
Yeah, Rogan only hosted Harvard and Stanford Virology and cardiology professors, while Bailey read some CNN articles and a few WHA fact sheets.
Rogan's so misinformed.
Funny that this is only going to get the media more spooked about Rogan.
Spotify's very swift response is telling. They backed up a mega truck load of money for Rogan to be there, and after him being there for a while, they clearly do not want him released from his contract.
Of course its because he brings in millions of listeners they would be losing, daily. I now tune into spotify mostly to browse through podcasts. I like Bill Burrs, will occasionally throw on Conans or Jon Stewart for noise (will always have a soft spot for him even though he spawned Oliver and Colbert), and now that Rogan is exclusive there you cant even see his stuff on youtube anymore. Breaking points is an awesome one that exposes blatant media and govt hypocrisy with both left and right hosts.
I probably use it for music 1/20 times I turn spotify on. The times are changing. And old boomer resistance fogies are at the bottom of what people care about. Certainly not one who's only "plays" dont come from clicking on his song or channels, but by him being included in various classic rock playlists. Thats the only airtime he is getting nowadays. Irrelevant, sad, owned.
It has been amazing watching people on the left who dismiss well established doctors for merely being on Rogan. It shows how unserious they are with discussion.
They hate people in the out group, but they hate people who "should" be in the in-group even more. Thus the black face of white supremacy getting eggs thrown at him by somebody in a gorilla costume.
But he supported it be linking to a Bailey article! Of course the article said Ivermectin isn’t a miracle cure, and Rogan never claimed that it was, but it’s close enough for this rag.
By linking.
I can't imagine why anyone would give a shit about Neill Young's opinions about anything.
I dont know if its more funny or just sad for Young.
I mean just imagine having the self inflated ego to go public with a statement as bold as "if you stay with him, you can say goodbye to me!" and the company, in short order, saying "bye felicia".
Hilarious. But also, who does he seriously think he is?
A loyal CNN viewer?
"misinformation" has become the kind of red flag that "diversity" was.
A clear sign to stop reading and move on.
It's the new "THAT'S RACIST". A sign that the argument has been lost.
mine two below meant to be a reply here.
Blame fat thumbs
"Lies" has a nice single-syllable ring to it.
It's really a simple math problem:
Rogan tells lies to millions of people.
These lies get thousands of people needlessly killed.
Joe Rogan gets paid $100 million to do this.
And the bad guy is the musician.
What lies? Can you provide evidence that these supposed "lies" ends lives, Tony? Get going, the burden of proof lies on the accuser.
Provide the lies, Tony. Any of them. And how many people Rogan killed. Actual demonstrable numbers.
The bad guy is the shitty musician, not the comedian who hosts open discussions with people.
Thousands killed seems incredibly unlikely:
1. At this point, pretty much everyone who hasn't been vaccinated has made up their mind. They aren't going to get vaccinated. Doesn't matter what anyone says. Especially not some comedian.
2. Rogan's audience skews younger. Does he have that much listenership among the seniors who are at high risk? Rogan would have to discourage tens of millions of vaccinations among <40 in order to get to a thousand deaths.
3. I haven't seen a full breakdown of the doctors' argument, but my understanding is that the claim was made that seniors should get vaccinated but that healthy and younger people do not need the vaccine. To the degree that vaccines get diverted from heathy younger people to seniors in the developing world, that actually saves lives. The zeal of the left to push boosters on children in rich countries (boosting the entire <18 population in the US is unlikely to save even 100 lives), while poor countries can't even give primary series to their seniors is a disgusting injustice.
“Thousands killed seems incredibly unlikely.”
Now ask him about the thousands of trannies killed by Dave chappelle. Tony is a major drama queen.
“This is no world for the fragile”, tony. Haha.
The cranky old man we see in front of us is not the whole person.
Yeah, but he's the president, so we have to keep an eye on him.
Ive told some of our woke friends as much about a few of their buzz words. As soon as "white privilege" gets tossed around ill usually poke the bear by telling them my eye roll has already started before they can make their point. Systemic racism, always a classic too. Any of the stuff they have no argument for but think this vague buzzword wins them points.
Misinformation is certainly in there with the best of them now. Its almost a guarantee at this point if someone is left wing, claiming something to be blatant misinformation, that it is more likely to be true, and something that paints a bad picture for their preferred narrative.
Nobody is requiring you to understand these concepts in depth, but I find it's a good idea not to spout off ready-made opinions on such things until you've done a decent amount of good-faith reading. It's just not tenable that all progressive work is a con or frivolity.
Progressivism marches on, by definition, and you shouldn't be surprised that you don't get it right away.
Anyone wanna take the honors of refuting this guy this time?
Sure, I’ll take it;
“People will die!” Cuz of a stand up comic. - tony.
“People are coughing up tons of gross spittle into other people’s faces” in defense of mask mandates. - tony
Supports UBI cuz “work is misery.” - tony.
“This is no world for the fragile.” - tony.
Lol. One of these is not like the others.
Obviously you haven't figured out CRT. /sarc/
Bend over and spread 'em. Your woke friends are waiting.
"Talking with some of the younger people in my life (with "younger" generously defined as anyone born after the 1983 release of Everybody's Rockin', the album that led Geffen Records to sue Young for producing "not commercial" music), most of them had little to no idea who Neil Young was until this moment."
----Gillespie
That album made me respect Neil Young. It was an early taste of what had become Indie ten years later. Neil Young made a video for the single from that album, and it's great. It was unpredictable. It was unexpected. It was inspired. It was weird.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0PlwVPbM5k
It was relevant--like the Violent Femmes and the B-52s circa 1983. Nobody thought that stuff was commercial either. 10 years later, everybody was alternative, but Neil went mainstream in the later 80s--and it's been pretty embarrassing since.
Stopped clocks, Ken.
the two-time Rock & Roll Hall of Fame inductee's
Wait he's been inducted as a member, twice, of an 'elite' group of musicians that includes the likes of The Dave Clark Five, The Paul Butterfield Blues Group, Traffic, and Laura Nyro but doesn't include Chubby Checker, Steve Winwood, Joe Cocker, Patsy Cline, The Doobie Brothers, Pat Benatar, Willie Nelson, Motorhead, New Order, Dead Kennedys, Depeche Mode, Black Flag, The Go-Gos, Pixies, The Shangri Las, Jethro Tull, Devo, T. Rex, Warren Zevon, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest, or Tina Turner? What. an. honor.
I can remember when the RARHOF was founded and, at the time, it struck me as being a shittier version of The Grammys. It's lived up to every inch of my expectations. I'd rather visit Graceland or the Grand Ole Opry. Boomers should really cement their place in history by giving Young another seven spots in the Hall for the Gen Z kids to bulldoze into the ground.
Are you serious? None of them are in the Hall of Fame? What the fuck is it even for then?
What the fuck is it even for then?
So people like Nick, who think and act like Neil Young, can glad-hand, shower each other with praises and awards and share a sense of incredulity with the writers at Rolling Stone over Jackie Coakley's rape.
Neither list is exhaustive and it's somewhat tailored to my taste:
In:
Janet Jackson
Beyonce
Madonna
ABBA
Not in:
Run-DMC
Wu-Tang
Outkast
Soundgarden
Sonic Youth
And that doesn't even get into more parsing like Neil Young being in twice but Sammy Hagar and Ozzy Osbourne only being in as part of Van Halen and Black Sabbath. Even if you're a rabid Van Halen fan who thinks Sammy should be shot on sight, I can't imagine you'd say ABBA belongs in the HOF and not Sammy and certainly not ABBA but not Ozzy. In that vein, Ozzy (of all people) nailed it:
It's not even a joke. It should be regarded as an insult.
People vote with their dollars every day.
Seriously, when I heard they were building it in Cleveland, I thought it was a mistake. When it was announced that it was being built there, I thought it was just another tourist trap and they'd be better off with a 50 ft. ball of yarn or going back to setting the river on fire. At this point, it's exceedingly clear that its only purpose was to fuck up Rock and Roll.
Nick Gillespie, I thought your article was really good and the message at the end was even better. Helps me to keep on seeking the positive. Thank you for the fine work.
Thanks, Mom! - Nicky G
JMartin, just so you know, the cool kids here pride themselves in continually insulting the writers. They wouldn’t be caught dead saying anything complimentary about Reason or it’s writing staff.
They just hang out here because it is a free,
unmoderated forum, not because they like Reason or are libertarians.
Reminds me of the "cool kids" in the 1960s when I was growing up. Always cynical, loud and negative. About everything.
God forbid you ever praised anything or anyone. They'd tear your head off and laugh in their negatively arrogant manner.
The White Knight is back!
I seem to remember a minor stink in the 1980s over Mr Young having voted for, or at least saying nice things about Ronald Reagan. That really pissed off some of his already ageing hippie fans. I never cared much for him-sounds a lot like a howling basset hound, but anyway I’m sure this latest stunt will help both him (leftist boomers are the most pro-vax) and hopefully help Joe Rogan even more.
There is music which has legs; none of Young's catalogue would make me pause a minute to hear more of it.
It was briefly relevant, as was he.
BTW, see my comment just above:
"My My, Hey Hey, Neil Young's Songs Are Here To Stay"
Yes, they "are here to stay" in that they can't be really erased, but are they here to be listened to?
I doubt it seriously.
If he would just learn more chords and practice his harmonica more....
Three chord rock has been the rule forever. Long before Neil Young was involved. And, it continues to this day.
Want something with a broader range? Try jazz.
As a serious fan of blues harmonica, I can assure you, his harmonic playing sucks! Anyone who plays the harmonica using a neck holder isn't someone who is any good on harmonica.
It is not an "Okay Boomer" rage, it is a "woke liberal" rage. I am a boomer and could not agree less with Mr. Young.
Again Reason clouds the issue with liberal propaganda.
Agreed! I may be a boomer by label, but I've never been a liberal....not as that term is being used here.
Blackstone (via Hipgnosis Songs Fund) bought 50% of the revenue stream from Neil Young’s catalog.
Any questions?
A southern man don't need him around anyhow
Sometimes misinformed? Are you suggesting Ron Bailey's google search is better informed than the thousands of MDs that use Ivermectin as part of their protocol?
I know I may sound crazy, but is it possible that there are multiple treatments including Ron's miraculous* vaccine?
*Miraculous results dependant on willingness to be boosted indefinitely.
Thank you for revealing your cartoonish level of understanding.
Cartoonish like an old school GI Joe PSA? Sweet.
The pinnacle of Neil Young's "fame" was being mentioned in Sweet Home Alabama. Spotify don't need him around, anyhow.
-jcr
The peak of his fame was having the album "Harvest" and the song "Heart of Gold" hit #1, or the great album "After the Gold Rush." Or maybe being on "For What It's Worth" or in CSNY. He was pretty major in the sixties and early seventies.
The cranky old man we see in front of us is not the whole person.
Actually, it is. Young's been pulling this same schtick for decades.
Righteously angered idiocy.
I respect Young's right to attempt to have Rogan thrown off Spotify, but the fact is he just doesn't have the juice. Spotify is a business and their obligation is to look out for the most profitable interests of their owners/investors. Rogan, otoh, might just have the juice to demand Spotify throw Young off their platform were he so inclined!
And, maybe he did? 😉
The only thing one really needs to know about young, other than this current petulant stance against individual rights, is his earlier support for the Patriot Act, regardless of his second thoughts on the matter. Fuck this stupid shitbag, full stop.
Hey hey, my my. Now I canceled Spotify. . .
Shockingly, he's got a new deal with Sirius. Color me a cynic, but somehow his political activism seems remarkably correlated with his economic interest.
Your colors are true.
Lol, this is all just free publicity for Rogan. My hunch is that all the late outrage articles that take 30 seconds out of a 3 hour Rogan podcast and make sweeping hysterical conclusions has amplified his audience.
Young got more notice having a pissing match with Rogan than his music has generated in two decades. He in effect was irrelevant and will be more so going forward
Well, I heard Mister Young sing about him
Well, I heard ol' Neil put him down
Well, I hope Neil Young will remember
Spotify don't need him around anyhow.
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If you can find ten people who really give a s--t about Neil Young and where he puts his music I'll kiss your ass in Time Square and give you 20 minutes to draw a crowd.
I have never listened to Joe Rogan, although I do have a general sense of how he fits into the current cultural environment. I think that Neil Young is one of the greatest artists of the 20th Century. And I applaud Spotify for not giving in the the latter's demand. Fortunately I can still play Neil Young albums on my turntable.
Have you heard? Yoko Ono is threatening to put her music ON Spotify if Joe Rogan isn't kicked off.
Seriously...who cares? Just another washed out has-been trying desperately for a few more moments in the limelight. That he would try to gain them by attempting to censor fellow Americans who are speaking their truths just says so much about Mr. Young's understanding and appreciation of the principles that made this country great. (And the same goes for Joni "Me Too!" Mitchell!) It's all so sad.
Great song! Recently I saw a guy singing this song in his own way, it was very cool. And then I found out that he also has his own tracks that he puts on one cool platform where he is engaged in his music production there, which helps him to promote himself. I think you should try it too! I wish you good luck!
Neil Young has definitely created and performed some great music over his career, but he's far from the only one to do so. But Young isn't just competing against the younger musicians, but also against pretty much the entire catalog of recorded music from the 1900s on. If Young wants to stifle free speech just because he disagrees with it, then forget him. Or if you really want your Neil Young fix, there are plenty of free choices available, both legal and illegal. Old man, take a look at MY life!