The Sedition Indictment Against 11 Oath Keepers Describes a Plot That Was Pitifully Inept and Ineffectual
This is the first time that participants in the Capitol riot have been charged with sedition.

Eduardo Nicolas Alvear Gonzalez, the dude in American flag pants who was famously recorded smoking pot in the Capitol Rotunda on January 6, 2021, was charged a month later with four misdemeanors. He ultimately pleaded guilty to one count of parading, demonstrating, or picketing in the Capitol.
The legal consequences that Gonzalez faced for participating in the Capitol riot were pretty typical. The FBI has arrested more than 700 Donald Trump supporters who unlawfully entered the Capitol grounds or the Capitol itself that day, many of whom incriminated themselves by recording and/or livestreaming their activities. On the anniversary of the riot, The New York Times reported that "a little over 300" had been charged with petty crimes such as trespassing and disorderly conduct, while "more than 225 people" were "accused of attacking or interfering with the police" and "about 275" were charged with obstructing the congressional certification of President Joe Biden's election.
Against this backdrop, last week's indictment of 11 Oath Keepers stands out. It was the first time that any of the rioters had been charged with sedition—specifically, using force to "prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States." The conspiracy described in the indictment is notably different from the spontaneous, heat-of-the-moment crimes committed by most of the people who stormed the Capitol. Unlike the riot as a whole, which looked more like a temper tantrum than an incipient coup, the "operation" mounted by the Oath Keepers was planned well in advance. Although it is the closest thing we have seen so far to an "insurrection" (the label that Democrats routinely apply to the riot), it was still half-baked and pitifully ineffectual.
According to the indictment, the conspiracy began two days after the presidential election, when Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes made it clear that he would not accept the results without a fight. "We aren't getting through this without a civil war," Rhodes said in a Signal group chat. "Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body, spirit."
The FBI describes the Oath Keepers, which Rhodes founded in 2009, as a "large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights." The group, which consists largely of military veterans and former law enforcement officers, is ostensibly dedicated to defending the Constitution. Rhodes saw violent resistance to Biden's election as very much in keeping with that mission, portraying the attempt to keep Trump in office as akin to the American Revolution and the mass protests that brought down Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic.
The preparations for January 6 allegedly included gathering Oath Keepers from around the country; paramilitary training; "reconnaissance" of the Capitol area; multiple purchases of guns, ammunition, and firearm accessories; a stash of weapons at a hotel in Arlington; and a "quick reaction force" (QRF) that waited at the hotel, ready to act "if SHTF." The indictment says "the QRF teams were prepared to rapidly transport firearms and other weapons into Washington, D.C., in support of operations aimed at using force to stop the lawful transfer of presidential power."
Exactly how prepared they actually were is open to question. Four days before the riot, the Oath Keepers were still trying to figure out what they would do if the bridges across the Potomac River were closed. When Kelly Meggs, head of the group's Florida chapter, posed the question in a Signal chat, the indictment says, "the North Carolina QRF team leader wrote, 'My sources DC working on procuring Boat transportation as we speak.'" Thomas Caldwell, a Virginia Oath Keeper, sent this message to "his contacts":
Can't believe I just thought of this: how many people either in the militia or not
(who are still supportive of our efforts to save the Republic) have a boat on a trailer that [could] handle a Potomac crossing? If we had someone standing by at a dock ramp (one near the Pentagon for sure) we could have our Quick Response Team with the heavy weapons standing by, quickly load them and ferry them across the river to our waiting arms.
The indictment does not say what, if anything, came of that plan. In any event, the "QRF teams" remained at the Comfort Inn in Ballston. The Oath Keepers who went to the Capitol on January 6 evidently did not bring any firearms, although they did have "hard-knuckle tactical gloves, tactical vests, ballistic goggles, radios, chemical sprays, a paracord attachment, fatigues, goggles, scissors, a large stick," and a German Shepherd named Warrior.
The Oath Keepers were supposed to wear khaki or tan pants, which proved to be a problem. "We don't have any khakis," an unnamed "co-conspirator" told Ohio Oath Keeper Jessica Watkins on January 3. "We have jeans and our b d u's [battle dress uniforms]." The indictment says many of the Oath Keepers who joined the riot "were wearing paramilitary clothing and patches with the Oath Keepers name, logo, and insignia."
At the Capitol, the Oath Keepers, allegedly including several of the defendants, formed two "stacks," which joined the mob that had already broken into the building. "Shortly after 2:00 p.m.," the indictment says, "crowd members forced entry into the Capitol by breaking windows, ramming open doors, and assaulting Capitol Police and other law enforcement officers." Half an hour later, one group of Oath Keepers "marched in a 'stack' formation…up the east steps of the Capitol" and "stormed into the Capitol alongside the mob."
Police succeeded in pushing back half of the Oath Keepers in "Stack One," who "regrouped in the Rotunda and then left the building." The rest of Stack One "headed toward the House of Representatives, in search of Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi." But "they did not find Speaker Pelosi and ultimately left the building."
Around 3:15 p.m., a second group of Oath Keepers ("Stack Two") approached the Capitol. According to the indictment, Alabama Oath Keeper Joshua James and New Jersey Oath Keeper Roberto Minuta "forced their way past law enforcement officers trying to guard the Rotunda," which they "briefly breached." James "was expelled by at least one officer who aimed chemical spray directly at [him] and multiple officers who pushed him out from behind." At 3:19 p.m., the indictment says, Minuta "yelled at a law enforcement officer" while "exiting the Capitol through the same east side Rotunda Doors that he had previously entered." Two minutes later, Georgia Oath Keeper Brian Ulrich and other members of Stack Two "entered the east side Rotunda Doors."
In an interview with The New York Times last July, Rhodes complained that the Oath Keepers who entered the Capitol had "gone off mission." He said "there were zero instructions from me or leadership to do so."
According to the indictment, however, Rhodes and other Oath Keepers celebrated the riot and talked about following it up with further acts of resistance. "Thousands of ticked off patriots spontaneously marched on the Capitol," Rhodes said that night in a Signal group chat. "You ain't seen nothing yet." Between January 10 and January 14, the indictment says, Rhodes spent about $18,000 on firearm parts, accessories, and ammunition. But apparently nothing came of whatever Rhodes might have been planning. He was not arrested until last Thursday, a year after the spending spree described in the indictment.
In a Signal message four days after the riot, the indictment says, Ulrich advised James that he and Rhodes should stay "below the radar." It was clearly too late for that, given the Oath Keepers' conspicuous participation in the riot and Rhodes' public endorsement of violent resistance to the election results. In addition to encrypted conversations between Rhodes and his followers, the indictment cites messages that he posted on the Oath Keepers website before the riot.
On Election Day, Rhodes publicly advised Oath Keepers to "stock up on ammo" and prepare for a "full-on war in the streets" if Biden were declared the winner. A week later, Rhodes posted a "call to action" under the headline "WHAT WE THE PEOPLE MUST DO." It described elements of the revolt against Milosevic, which included not only "peaceful protests" and "complete civil disobedience" but also "swarm[ing] the streets," "confronting the opponents," "storm[ing] the Parliament," and "burn[ing] down fake state Television."
In a December 23, 2020, message on the Oath Keepers website, Rhodes said "tens of thousands of patriot Americans, both veterans and non-veterans, will already be in Washington D.C., and many of us will have our mission-critical gear stowed nearby just outside D.C." He warned that he and likeminded patriots might have to "take to arms in defense of our God given liberty."
So much for staying below the radar. Rhodes' lack of discretion was not his only problem. It remains unclear exactly how he hoped to keep Trump in power.
If Biden took office, Rhodes warned in a Signal chat on December 11, 2020, "it will be a bloody and desperate fight. We are going to have a fight. That can't be avoided."
In another Signal chat two weeks later, according to the indictment, Meggs said "we need to make those senators very uncomfortable with all of us being a few hundred feet away." Rhodes replied: "I think Congress will screw [Trump] over. The only chance we/he has is if we scare the shit out of them and convince them it will be torches and pitchforks time is they don't do the right thing. But I don't think they will listen."
The plan, evidently, was to "scare the shit" out of Congress with a show of force that would persuade legislators to reject electoral votes for Biden. But in the end, the Oath Keepers merely joined a riot that was already in progress, and the riot itself accomplished nothing but an interruption that delayed ratification of Biden's victory until that night.
It obviously could have been much worse. If Oath Keepers had attacked the Capitol with guns, there could have been bloodshed on both sides, although that still would not have compelled Congress to do what Rhodes wanted.
The sedition charges do not require that the defendants had any realistic hope of success. Assuming the allegations are true, Rhodes et al. did indeed conspire to use force to "prevent, hinder, or delay" the execution of Congress' constitutional and statutory obligations to certify the election results. And in addition to the sedition counts, which are punishable by up to 20 years in prison, the defendants face various other charges, including conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding, assault, destruction of government property, interference with law enforcement, and tampering with evidence (mainly by erasing incriminating data on their cellphones).
The Justice Department estimates that as many as 2,500 people may ultimately face charges in connection with the Capitol riot. Most of them will be more like Gonzalez, the "Capitol Doobie Smoker," than Rhodes and his followers, who had ambitious but inept plans that ultimately amounted to little more than a sideshow in a much broader spasm of vandalism and violence that was itself utterly futile. When former President Jimmy Carter claims the assault on the Capitol "almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power," he is giving blowhards like Rhodes way too much credit.
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If encouraging people to riot is a crime,
why haven’t pelosi aoc and everyone at cnn been charged?
>>encouraging people to riot
should be protected speech.
I agree. I don’t agree with double standards.
Essentially what we have here is a conspiracy theory about government alleged conspirators [Oath Keepers] who have a conspiracy theory about those in government who have a "shadowy conspiracy" against Americans. Not that any of them are wrong about the other guy, but if this gets any more convoluted, it's gonna end up being the weird-ass sequel to Inception.
Insurrection
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edit - a government conspiracy theory about alleged conspirators [Oath Keepers] who have a conspiracy theory about those in government who have a "shadowy conspiracy" against Americans.
Of course you’d say that.
Who told you to post that?!
Wanna see some rioting in Aggieville this weekend after a win. It's hate week.
Good luck, Hayseed.
Ha, I'd like to think we're due. Haven't got you Squawks since '19.
hell ya. fucKU
Go Cats!!!!
Don't forget Maxine Waters and Kamala Harris.
I wish I could forget them.
Peace and Love:
"there will be blood in the streets” - Loretta Lynch
“Who says protests have to be peaceful“ - Chris Cuomo
“There needs to be unrest in the streets” - Ayanna Pressley
“Protesters should not give up” - Kamala Harris
“I just don’t know why they aren’t uprising all over this country“ - Nancy Pelosi
“You get out and create a crowd and you push back on them, tell them they are not welcome“ - Maxine W
Violent sedition:
“Go home with love and peace, remember this day forever“ - Donald J Trump
Remind me to store these for posterity.
Don’t forget to save those for posterity.
Thank you.
I’m here to help.
If you have it on paper, you can save them for posteriority.
Mostly peaceful sedition
1/5/21 - 99% proggies including those in Congress would have defined sedition as what they give you before surgery
1/7/21 - Sedition becomes word of the day on CNN and all proggies sound like Rain Man.
Believe it or not, there were Congressional spelling bees during WW2, where the rubes got to see how they had thrown away votes on semi-literate kleptocrats.
Suck it Tucker!
Bragging about being a hypocrite?
You be you.
It has to be imminent violence... I think this case is weak other than the group is despicable for speaking like this...
The "plot" seems to show up in DC as a protest and be prepared for violence.
"The plan, evidently, was to "scare the shit" out of Congress with a show of force that would persuade legislators to reject electoral votes for Biden."
There is no specificity as to a plan to commit violence or even a plan to actual physically delay the EC in anyway....is "scare the shit" "sedition"?
I am still lost how this gets proven... but they have to convict....
Now do antifa where the plans are explicitly for violence.
If they have even a halfway competent lawyer, this will be the defense:
1] It's utterly stupid and desperate to suggest that anyone planned to overthrow the US government at all, let alone without weapons in hand. Former police and soldiers would know this more than anyone.
2] The fact that the weapons were left behind is evidence that no such conspiracy existed and therefore, the only conspiracy is that of the prosecution for the sake of politics.
3] Weapons were purposely left behind to not escalate the situation and only retained off-site for defensive purposes if it were escalated by the government. Purely defensive for in a worst-case scenario.
4] Sedition charges are a political hail mary in an election year and a year. Only charged after the whole issue of 'how is it supposedly sedition if no charges have been made' was brought up in the Senate. Charges are a political response to allow Dems to make such a claim in campaigns.
Mccarthy also points out they thought they were fixing an unlawful election, not waging war. They thought they were protecting the government from wrong.
Intimidation is a time-honored tactic by pretty much everyone at one time or another. Politically, it's pretty common. When it also involves threats (implicit or otherwise) of violence, it seems mostly on the Left these days.
The democrats frequently use intimidation tactics. Look at how Merrick Garland was ordered by Biden’s handlers to threaten parents of schoolchildren so they wouldn’t speak up at school board meetings.
Democrats are enemies of the republic.
"We aren't getting through this without a civil war," Rhodes said in a Signal group chat. "Too late for that. Prepare your mind, body, spirit."
What was this, an "insurrection" or a Fruitopia Commercial?
https://youtu.be/T6aG-_d1BYU
that was a long article was there anything in it about Flowers By Irene orchestrating the whole shebang?
You mean like that recent little parade
by identically dressed patriots with nary a beer-gut in sight?
Not just slender but all athletic and clean shaven.
No Realtree camo either.
And so fashionable.
Go on...
They held their insurrection planning meetings at Olive Garden.
Now that’s horrifying.
Real insurrectionists don't need unlimited breadsticks.
I mean, they look like they could put some away - actually a lot - but probably shouldn't.
Those damn hillbillies were bred in the sticks! (Proof is if they really thought they were eating Italian food at THAT joint!)
Indeed……
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EN2C7whAOEA
No, that's The Mafia. .Olive Garden's slogan is: "When You're Here, You're Family!"
It just amazes me how many people have convinced themselves that there was any remote possibility that Jan 6 could have changed the outcome of the election. Let alone "almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power,". Jimmy Carter, wrong as he may be about many things isn't an idiot. Even taking the worst interpretation of the day's events, how could it conceivably have ended up with the election not being certified?
"But in the end" Congress was evacuated and theses lunatics couldn't get their hands on any hostages. Who knows what that violent insane crowd would have done had they encountered Pelosi or AOC. They sure as hell threatened violence and used violence. They took it far enough. It's insane anyone votes for Republicans after Trump. If you're in any real way aligned with that shit you're fucking trash.
"Who knows what that violent insane crowd would have done had they encountered Pelosi or AOC."
And who cares.
Probably nothing. It’s not like they were bloodthirsty antifa democrats.
So which ever pile of lefty shit that is thinks people should be arrested because they might do whatever his damaged brain imagines?
Fuck it with a rusty garden implement.
9/11X100!
>>get their hands on any hostages
fucking love you man. you entertain.
It was his Vietnam.
Or like Dan Rather's Iraq?
Courage!
Understand your sentiment, but I wouldn’t go that far. Trumpaloos have not completely driven out saner Republicans.
“Saner republicans” being democrats.
Former neo-cons, now all democrats.
His Republican heroes are Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger.
Not a leftist shit.
Mike Laursen is literally cancer
Be nicer to cancer.
Democrats are all cancer. And they need to face a round o chemotherapy.
But he swears he's not a Democrat, Jesse.
Understand your sentiment, but I wouldn’t go that far. Trunpaloos have not managed to drive out all of the saner Republicans.
Only Neocons and practically Democrats earn the ferocious sealion's certification of Republican sanity.
The part of the problem you fail to understand is that:
You put up incompetents like Biden, Harris and Mayor Pete, scaries like HRC and commies like Bernie, time after time after time. Seriously, you guys are basically daring Trump to run and give him a damn good chance. Given the alternative of economic annihilation and foreign disasters we now have, mean tweets sound damn good. At least the economy was robust, all those WW3s that were supposed to happen turned into peace agreements, we weren't importing Russian oil and NFATA got replaced. The only people still voting Democrat are blind party tribalists, masochists and short-sighted gimmees.
“You put up incompetents like Biden, Harris and Mayor Pete, scaries like HRC and commies like Bernie, time after time after time.”
*I* put them up? I’m registered non-partisan, and almost always vote for Libertarian candidates. I didn’t vote for Biden or Hillary.
Stop lying. You’re 100% democrat. You shill for them with every comment in every article here. Just admit what you are.
Dude u really need to take a long look in the mirror. As u haven't a clue or a conviction on anything that makes it to your mouth. In truth... You're everything that's wrong in the world.
The Phucko Knows
You can say that again (so it would seem)
And yet, Gallup shows more Americans identify as Republican than democrat.
Democracy has failed you.
Jesus, talk about no nuance, tribal broad brushing. Would you say the same thing for people who still vote for Dems after a Bernie Bro tried to kill a large amount of Repub congresspeople?
I was reliably informed by the totally non-partisan FBI that Bernie bro was just a suicide by cop.
One of you faggots went and shot at a bunch of republicans a few years ago. Nearly murdering Steve Scalese after Bernie and many other democrats encouraged him to do so. No one should have voted for democrats after that.
The Capitol police have a budget larger than Atlanta's police. The idiots were allowed to run free only as long as they were not threatening lives because the police rules of engagement are no lethal force except to in response to a deadly threat. As soon as they became an imminent threat, the trained and very armed police would have ended it (as happened with one protester on Jan 6).
Except of course to Ashley Babbit, an unarmed veteran. Apparently, her mom's evil-eye was threatening.
Of course they have a larger budget….the Capitolist Pugs!
ho knows what that violent insane crowd would have done had they encountered Pelosi or AOC.
Probably asked for a selfie with them.
Probably a spanking for each, which would appeal to similar crowds but for entirely different, yet not dissimilar reasons.
Well, it was really just mostly peaceful.
"Who knows what that violent insane crowd would have done had they encountered Pelosi or AOC."
Certainly not you. You have only your fevered imagination and wild fantasies to fall back on.
Very easily. If they broke past the door to the Speakers Lobby they would have had direct access to the House floor and the members who were there. If they got their hands on any member of Congress it could have stopped the certification. They came quite close to getting a few members. Had any of them committed arson it would have put an end to the certification.
But nobody did those things.
Quite a bit of what ifs in your indictment there buddy.
If they broke…they would have…
If they got…it could have…
They came quite close…
Had any of them committed…
Come on Jesse, that was damning.
Your story needs more Fabio.
Yeah. Where are the explosions and the Hollywood actors? Maybe we could get Nicolas Cage, He's been doing a lot of crazy off the wall fantasy rolls recently. If you're going to pitch a script, you need to go all out. think largess.
That still doesn't mean the election doesn't get certified. It might have been delayed a little longer. I mean, how do you think this works? These yahoos get into the house and force them to vote a certain way? And that would be legally binding somehow? It would have been absolutely horrible and a very serious crime if they had taken members of congress hostage. But I see little evidence that there was any serious plan to do anything like that (possibly excepting a small number of individuals). And even if there was, the election still gets certified in time.
No kidding. If a mob had actually forced Congress to certify Trump the winner, basically the only thing Trump could have done to salvage his reputation and possibly avoid prison would have been to immediately concede.
Just breaking into the Capitol was toxic enough that Trump had to drop his election challenge, and predictably so.
"it could have stopped the certification. " For how long? What alternate universe do you live in?
If wishes were horses, beggars would ride. You don't need to prove that you aren't very bright each time you trot out your dumb arguments.
You have the mind of a child.
And if they were bitten by radioactive spiders and gained proportional spider powers they would have been unstoppable. But none of that happened. So it isn’t relevant except in your progtard fan fiction scribblings. Also, Pelosi turned down national guard troops and extra police security when offered SIX TIMES. The national guard reinforcements were even encouraged by Trump.
You democrats wanted and encouraged this to happen so you would have at least a flimsy pretext to scapegoat republicans. Even though this was a lot of nothing and democrats are guilty of dozens of truly violent p, destructive and often murderous events that actually were insurrection.
"tampering with evidence (mainly by erasing incriminating data on their cellphones)."
Funny how this is not a crime for FBI agents...
If the FBI does it, that means it’s legal.
Hey Damiksec, damiskec, and damikesc, and ALL of your other socks…
How is your totalitarian scheme to FORCE people to buy Reason magazines coming along?
Free speech (freedom from “Cancel Culture”) comes from Facebook, Twitter, Tik-Tok, and Google, right? THAT is why we need to pass laws to prohibit these DANGEROUS companies (which, ugh!, the BASTARDS, put profits above people!)!!! We must pass new laws to retract “Section 230” and FORCE the evil corporations to provide us all (EXCEPT for my political enemies, of course!) with a “UBIFS”, a Universal Basic Income of Free Speech!
So leftist “false flag” commenters will inundate Reason-dot-com with shitloads of PROTECTED racist comments, and then pissed-off readers and advertisers and buyers (of Reason magazine) will all BOYCOTT Reason! And right-wing idiots like Damikesc will then FORCE people to support Reason, so as to nullify the attempts at boycotts! THAT is your ultimate authoritarian “fix” here!!!
“Now, to “protect” Reason from this meddling here, are we going to REQUIRE readers and advertisers to support Reason, to protect Reason from boycotts?”
Yup. Basically. Sounds rough. (Quote damikesc)
(Etc.)
See https://reason.com/2020/06/24/the-new-censors/
Stop taking stupid pills.
So, which magazines do YOU think a "free" people should be forced to buy?
I recommend your neighbors look into these.
I’m guessing that his the ongoing consumption of his own shit is the bigger problem.
It’s one of the few pleasures in his miserable “life”.
Have him muted. And knew from your comment who it was without clicking on the name.
You’re missing out on retard porn.
Have you seen his website?
See 2 of my best pages at...
http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Jesus_Validated/ and http://www.churchofsqrls.com/Do_Gooders_Bad/
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Would sqrlsy posting links to fecal porn get him banned like shrike, I wonder?
Since fecal porn isn’t illegal, probably not.
Not if Chumby reads or watches any mass media news.
Assuming everything listed here is true...none of it equals sedition. Having "plans" is immaterial if you do not do anything.
Idiot here has never heard of "conspiracy", unless it is a conspiracy by Lizard People to steal the votes of Dear Leader!
Hey idiot... You OK with money being paid to a murder-for-hire guy, so long as the murder actually never happens?
Can you be charged with conspiring to do the impossible?
Yes. It happens all the time.
Yes, your intent doesn't have to be realistic for a conspiracy charge to stick. But the heart of conspiracy is intent, or in this case, the intent and belief that you have a possibility of overthrowing the government.
Now it would be quite a stretch to suggest that a hundred Appalachain sharp-shooting squirrel hunters thought they could take on the entire US government. But to try and make the case that 11 unarmed former cops and veterans who understand assault tactics thought they had a possible outcome, please let me be the opposing lawyer.
Perhaps there's more, but if this is the entire case, this is a worse case than the Kyle Rittenhouse trial. I'd rather try to convince everyone that Matt Prater on the Detroit 5 yard line for a 95-yard field goal is a serious attempt to put it through the uprights.
All I can think of is that they are going to General Flynn these 11 chumps and scare them into a deal vs risk 20 years.
If I think that I can poison and kill every human on Earth with 51 tons of finely-ground cobalt-60, while in reality it would take 510 metric tons... See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_bomb ... "Theoretically, a device containing 510 metric tons of Co-59 can spread 1 g of the material to each square km of the Earth's surface (510,000,000 km2). If one assumes that all of the material is converted to Co-60 at 100 percent efficiency and if it is spread evenly across the Earth's surface, it is possible for a single bomb to kill every person on Earth. "
... Then if I dump a "mere" 51 tons of finely-ground cobalt-60 in YOUR hometown, you think that "attempted world-wide murder" would be an excessive charge for me?
Petr Beckmann showed that one day's output of ordinary pins would suffice to kill every person on Earth; that's one pin into each one's heart. Scary, huh?
So, you are a lawyer specializing in sedition law?
Andrew Mccarthy is at NRO since he prosecuted the last successful sedition charge. And he says the charges are bullshit shit weasel.
Why are you such a weasel?
Mike Liarson is a squawking bird named Dee and should be treated as such.
Sedition isn't as complicated as you apparently think it is, though for someone who only heard the term first a year ago and knows what CNN and MSNBC tells him I can see why you would think that. It doesn't require "a lawyer specializing in sedition law" to understand conspiracy to commit a crime, no matter what the crime. The fact that you don't know that makes anything more you have to say about it irrelevant at best and likely humorous.
In truth, everything it says is irrelevant and funny in a pathetic way.
To be honest, the only time I've heard the word before this month was in reference to the Adams administration, and explicitly referenced that the Alien and Sedition act was unconstitutional.
It's so exceptionally rare that I doubt there even are any experts on the subject.
But they did do stuff.
Going to be hard to go after them and still not go after Epps who, on video, did far more than they did.
"Epps" is dead, idiot! How are You going to punish the dead? Are you God, idiot?
I'm doin stuff right now.
No shit, Sherlock. The issue is that they are being demonized, and charged, and sentenced by clown-ass motherfuckers like you, for things they did not do. If you want a working justice system, keep your petty in-group biases, emotional yawping, and irrational inability to accept fact out of both law and the courts.
The best thing for justice in America is if everyone like Molly slit their own throats.
It still amazes me that people can be so hysterical and amped-up to the point that they prepare for and storm the US Capitol in support of a person like Trump.
Talk about living in just a bizarre fantasy world.
IS, looking forward to his train ride
Wait, you are arguing for committing violent acts against a republic in order to prop up a strongman? And I'm the one looking for a train ride?
You’re confused. Committing violent acts to prop up a strong man is what happens every day in this country, all committed by democrats.
"Wait, you are arguing for committing violent acts against a republic in order to prop up a strongman? And I'm the one looking for a train ride?"
I['m arguing that you are full of shit, TDS-addled asshole.
I see you prefer Biden and his corruption along with the open manipulation of the election. Not so inquisitive there are you.
No, I actually think Biden is the worst president in modern history. There is a reason I voted for Trump. But that doesn't mean I in any way would get behind the idea of taking up arms against Congress on behalf of Trump. Good lord, maybe add a little nuance in your life.
And there isn’t any evidence that actual arms were taken up against Biden. Just bullshit democrat lies.
"...Good lord, maybe add a little nuance in your life."
Add a LOT of intelligence to yours, asshole
Elections end up with a binary choice. In this case, the choice was between a moderate conservative who loves to sleep around vs a takeover by a bunch of neo-Marxist with a senile figurehead.
Perhaps you'd understand if you had actually ever lived in a socialist country.
How are all you people so extreme in your thinking?
I voted for Trump because Biden was the worse choice. That doesn't mean I would violently attack Congress in order to install Trump as grand leader though.
I'm thinking you may be the one who needs to look at socialist and dictatorial countries before defending violent uprisings to install a king.
Perhaps you need to take a look at what occurred before calling it a violent uprising to install a king. Of the few voices recorded yammering about actively preventing or interfering with the certification, I would be willing to wager that it was typical American HS level smack talking. Most Americans never get past the point where either HS or college is the formative point in their life, and it shows in their behaviors. Tough guys, mean girls, with no accomplishments except those they inflate.
They did much more than talk about it. You read the article, right?
They didn’t do shit. Not like when antifa tried to burn down a federal building in Portland OR with people still in it, or when another group of democrats tried to firebomb and ICE facility in Tacoma WA. Just to name a few 8 diners of democrat insurrection.
The problem here is with your reading comprehension, not my thinking.
I wasn't endorsing the protests at the Capitol (and protests is really all they were). I was simply explaining that when people opposed Biden, they weren't "supporting a person like Trump", they were opposing a disastrous socialist takeover of the US; Trump just happened to be the only alternative.
Personally, I wouldn't bother protesting at all. I think the takeover of the US by socialists has become is inevitable and there is no point in opposing it. It's better to think about contingency plans and what place one can leave to if necessary.
Heck, I might vote for AOC or Sanders next time around for shits and giggles. Americans really deserve no better.
Ever been to a rock concert?
R u bragging on your complete ignorance? Or bragging about your TDS? Either way.... U be everything that's wrong with the world. Hopefully you've taken the jabs and wear that face diaper all day. Tick Tock.... Tick Tock.
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Oath Keepers started out with decent aims (military and police, don't betray the USA people or the constitution; refuse illegal orders).
Then they (at the behest of their idiot leader) fell into the Trumpist spiral vortex. Wise people will NOT follow in their footsteps! A 1-party state has NEVER been a good idea! Nor is a 1-party state (Trumpaloo or otherwise) EVER in keeping with ANYONE's oath to defend the USA constitution!
Their leader who is an FBI operative.
And Trump is just some cheap ass Yankee conman. Jesus christ those people are so broken and owned.
Yes, you are. You’re a drone incapable of your thoughts and ideas. Nor do you possess an iota of original thought or conviction. You democrats are malignant drones.
So to cheer for Biden is a sign of what..., virtue? Please explain the common sense involved with that?
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Yeah, I was wondering what happened to them. The Oath Keepers charged in the January 6th riots don’t sound anything like the Oath Keepers I remember.
COINTELPRO
Really? They always seemed to be sketchy to me. But I've never been a fan of the armed militia who have to fight for the constitution subset of right-wingers.
Nothing more sketchy than your typical democrat voter. Whether they are burning down federal building in Portland, trying to firebomb and ICE facility in Tacoma, or just individual violent actions like the aggravated assault on Rnd Paul, or the attempted murder of Steve Scalese.
Every democrat is a weaponized, violent, radical nut job. But hey, you be you and grasp at whatever straws you can for your bofe sidez’ narrative.
Good lord man. Is this comment meant to be a parody, or are you really this radicalized?
Because antifa is a normal moderate to you?
Pure Whataboutism! After Der TrumpfenFuhrer "wins" next time, and send all known outspoken Demon-Craps and Libertarians to the gas chambers, Trumpaloos, when questioned, will say, "But what about Stalin"?
Every Nuremberg convict said exactly that!
Where did I say that? Wait, are strawman arguments kind of your thing?
I see your point. The armed militia right-wing are scary, crazy mofos. Antifa are ALSO scary, crazy mofos.
But, in the defense of the Right, the militia aren't traditionally applauded by the Right.
Antifa is not "typical", though they do seem to have much more clout within the Democratic Party on a per capita basis. I guess that's what violence gets you. Maybe there's a lesson there, though not the one we might like.
"...or are you really this radicalized?"
Many of the Trumpaloos apparently really are! They think that if they support Trump, they can be Vice Pussy-Grabbers, and get rewarded with "sloppy seconds" (or maybe more like sloppy 5,235-ths) with Stormy Daniels!
So many of us fantasize that our support of those who we think is (or will be) the “winner” will earn us the support of the “winners” and their spoils.
See “the night of the long knives” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives… Ernst Röhm (head brownshirt, street brawler, for Hitler) thought his support of Hitler would leave him sitting pretty. So sorry, Ernst Röhm, Hitler had another thing coming for you…
Orange Hitler will do the same kinds of things!
U should seek mental health little man. Maybe it was too soon in life to stop carrying that little blue blanket of yours.
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It’s Tulpa.
It really isn’t. Keep trying.
No, the democrats are. That’s why Biden can be so far off the rails with his totalitarian bullshit, with a democrat congress on an ongoing witch hunt, all after years of democrats rioting and raging in major cities all over the country.
But sure, I’m the radical one. FFS, get some perspective. It’s not people, like me rapidly transforming this country into Venezuela.
LOL. Totally. The Biden economic agenda has brought misery and want to every American. The S&P500 is minus -18% since him and his Marxist Demoncrats took office! What a calamity!
Thats a lot of spittin tabaccy
High school dorp-outs ALWAYS need MORE spittin tabaccy, so that they can spit and droll all over truth, democracy, and decency! WHEN will you quit dorping out, JesseBahnFuhrer?
I am talking about the Oath Keepers years ago. Haven’t heard about nor thought about them for many years.
I thought they were the group of cops/federal agents whose whole schtick was that they would uphold their oaths of office and not enforce unjust/immoral laws on their fellow citizens.
Which makes them domestic terrorist.
"We are going to have a fight. That can't be avoided."
He might still turn out to be right about that.
I was hoping that tanking BBB and the election stealing bill would take some wind out of that sail, but they're cranking up the "illegitimate election" rhetoric in response. Any violence that happens after the midterms belongs entirely to the democrats now.
The only way to stop them is to get rid of them. They will never ever stop.
The Sedition Indictment Against 11 Oath Keepers Describes a Plot That Was Pitifully Inept and Ineffectual
Once again the Left wing agenda of Reason.com comes through. Pitifully inept and ineffectual?!? Bitch, please. Try super patriotic and backing the blue. Who, other than a person who genuinely cares about law enforcement, would go through the trouble of filming themselves while yelling “Yeah motherfuckers, look at me. I just broke into the Capitol Building. Where’s that Bitch, Pelosi so we can hang her from the rafter we built outside. YEEEAAAHH!!!” I’ll tell you who…. Someone that deeply cares about law enforcement and the time management of attorney generals across the country. That’s who. You don’t see ANTIFA doing that. For sure.
Terrible at this shrike.
It really is awful dreck. He’s too stupid for anything else. And having his attention divided with child rape videos doesn’t help him at all.
I don’t know who this Shrike person is. I’m not hym, ok? But a person with the name of Dick Hardwood sure seems like they belong in the GOP— which is the political party most driving the libertarian agenda. Can you PM me or give me a way to contact you? My GOP lover and Average Joe, Milo Yiannopoulos, has now dropped me to hang out with people on the Catholic Home Shopping Network so I am super sad and alone.
Uh huh. The nine year old boy chained up in your bedroom closet must have escaped and left you all alone.
Just so God damn terrible at this.
The thing about moronic whack jobs attacking Reason is the obverse of moronic whack job looter partisans attacking each other. Now it includes the implicit confession that they realize that their own superstitious, girl-bullying, ku-klux hangers-on are what prompted folks to cast the Libertarian Spoiler votes that dumped their pathetic plans into the ditch. This is a good thing. It shows that even ignorant rednecks with green teeth are capable of learning--once you get their attention!
How many law enforcement personnel were involved in this plot? And how many of them will be identified and be forced to test its out their actions?
I'm gonna go with zero for $200. Next delusional question?
Testify about their actions!
If we had a free press we might know
what actually happened.
The media has to go. They’re fully integrated into the Marxist democrat machine anymore. They have no business existing at this point.
NOW can we please charge some of the ringleaders of CHAZ with sedition? Pretty please? They barricaded several blocks, prevented police from entering (after burning down a police station), handed out rifles (without background check, I might add) to create a security force, and declared themselves to sovereign and no longer part of the US. Their actions directly interfered with multiple homicide investigations and interfered with fire and paramedic response in the entire area. And they were at it for weeks. Can we have some sign at least that it isn't okay to declare a populated part of the US to be your sovereign territory and enforce the removal of government authority with armed security forces?
It was the summer of love. When young girls heart turn to whimsy and longing for something that can't quite be named.
Sedition, oh sweet sedition...
Keep begging the totalitarian left to be nice and play by the rules.
That's the ticket to keep your liberty!
Poor, pathetic, bipolar, girl-bullying, plant-pillorying, looter Trumpanzees™. The idjits STILL imagine Adams beat Jackson, Hayes beat Tilden, Harrison beat Cleveland, Bush beat Gore and Orange Don beat Shrillary, but are feeling the fallacy on their hides! Once they learn to simplify a fraction and cast law-changing, clout-leveraged Libertarian spoiler votes to help Freedom win EVERY election as usual, they will cease being a waste of skin and votes.
OF COURSE the plot was pitifully inept and ineffectual. The FBI had no motive to come up with a brilliant and effective plot for its moles to promote. First, because they didn't want the plot to work, and secondly, the sort of people who'd have noticed that it was pathetic wouldn't have bit in the first place.
It's all about getting some people into an organization that looks like it might be inconvenient, entrapping some idiots, and then using that as an excuse to shut down the whole organization.
I'm still baffled why nobody seems to give a shit about the pipe bomber.
I mean, they have more intel forces in DC than almost anywhere and they have no clue who this person is and seem to have no interest in this person?
It's not baffling at all, and the only possible conclusion is clear.
Trying to let folks draw their own conclusions. I'll stick with "kinda suspicious". 🙂
Sorta like Stephen Paddock.
The 'bombs' were props. All it takes is one look at them to see that. They weren't built to work as bombs, they were built to look like what somebody might think was a bomb.
They were planted there for somebody in on the plot to report at the right moment to distract the Capitol police.
Even assuming the FBI didn't build them itself to provide to the plotters, they'd be less than motivated to find somebody who builds FAKE bombs.
The Army of God abortion clinic and Atlanta park pipe bomber was caught in 2003. Eric Rudolph is still Long Dong's bitch in federal prison with NO chance of parole. Where you been?
See? See? The "National Socialist frogmen duped us" conspiracy theory now replacing backstabbing Weimar Juden, Obama BLM communisti, Global Warming, Reefer Madness and Satan's demonic possession as the Explanation of What Went Wrong. Altruism truly leads to self-deception, the root of all evil and stupidity.
"sedition—specifically, using force to "prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States."
So then, we can expect indictments of thousands of people going back decades right? Even those at mostly peaceful protests? And the whiny bitches at Senate confirmation hearings?
"large but loosely organized collection of militia who believe that the federal government has been coopted by a shadowy conspiracy that is trying to strip American citizens of their rights."
And does this apply only in 2021, or also in 2017?
If this bumbling nutroll of an "operation" is sedition, then what was the preceding 4 years of #resist?
Or the "fortification" admitted in Time magazine?
11 knuckleheads who can't even get khaki pants are not a threat. This is just a show trial to make it look like they have things under control. They have to know, the real threat is from the millions of people who DON'T want to be involved, who just want to be left alone, and who are slowly starting to realize that the progs aren't ever going to leave them alone. There are ~300 million personally owned guns in the US, and they're not all owned by militia bubbas.
Loser sedition. Wait for it... comprehension will dawn... eventually.
It’s different if it’s in support of Democrat objectives, duh.
Poor, butthurt, disappointed, self-deluding, tu quoque, superstitious sucker! Thank Thor I yam not a member of God's Own Pathetic partisan collective. Nothing makes one appreciate the opportunity to cast a libertarian spoiler vote like the sobbing tantrums of frustrated fascisti. Schadenfreude till it hurts, chumps!
Overthrow the government, or overthrow the Constitution?
Inept though they may have been, and clumsy as their understanding of the (frustratingly insane) workings of a republic may be, I find myself wondering if they had the spirit (as opposed to the acts) of sedition om mind.
Or perhaps I confuse sedition and treason?
om = in
need a preview feature again
The law does not require that sedition plots be good or effective to be illegal.
They have to prove anything actually happened.
And then explain why a guy who, the night before, repeatedly told multiple groups they need to go to the Capitol is not a person of interest at all.
Why do they have to explain that? Because you say so?
Because they charged and sentenced an old woman who never entered the building or told others to do so and let this guy free you statist shit. This guy was much further past the imaginary keep out line and was never charged despite telling people to enter the Capitol.
Dee continues her adventures in ignorance.
Wanna bet she’s never even seen a single Ray Epps video?
Liarson clearly just parrots what3ver CNN and Media Matters say. There’s not an iota if independent thought in that empty head.
Equal protection under the law. They can't just let some people go for no apparent reason and throw others in jail for the same actions.
It happens all the time, though. Prosecutors go after one person but not another, and explain it away as making the best use of their resources by pursuing the strongest cares.
And they aren’t going to care what damikesc thinks about it.
There is literally VIDEO evidence of Epps encouraging multiple groups to go the Capitol the night before the event.
He went to the Capitol the next day.
There is no stronger case than the one against him.
Liarson doesn’t know what that is, or care. It’s not what his masters have told him to think.
They can often get away with it. But Republicans are asking questions about these cases.
You're right. The government doesn't have to explain anything to the over millions peons who are so unappreciative of the benevolence and virtue of the politicians and bureaucrats who work only for the greater good, who would never even dream of doing anything contrary to the interest of the people they rule. Wait.... Are we talking about the United States or China?
The defense is free to subpoena this person as a witness at trial if they believe he has testimony relevant to the specific charges that will help their clients.
I know. Look at how bad the FBI was trying to take down a sitting president.
Ideas must be crushed.
Precrime, anyone?
Merely advocating the violent overthrow of the U.S. government is protected by the First Amendment--according to the Supreme Court--regardless of how you feel about it.
"Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action". Specifically, the Court struck down Ohio's criminal syndicalism statute, because that statute broadly prohibited the mere advocacy of violence."
----Brandenburg v. Ohio
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio
It helps to educate yourself before you guess at what charges of sedition take.
https://www.nationalreview.com/2022/01/seditious-conspiracy-is-the-wrong-charge-in-the-capitol-riot-prosecutions/
Molly is incapable of being educated.
Actually, it turns out more and more that it is Biden's disgrace. Biden will really enter the history books as one of the worst presidents in US history: incompetent, racist, incoherent, mean-tempered, mendacious, and corrupt.
Written like the cryptototalitarian you are. The idea that this was a plot for sedition comes from the government, if you were, as you claim, super liberal, you might take that claim with a large grain of salt. But you take it at face value, like every other lie the state feeds you.
What an idiot.
In the case of the 1940 Christian Front fascisti, relatives on the jury sufficed to let them off with a frightful scare. Once the Nipponese Empire of God's Mystical Midget attacked Pearl, fronters turned like rabid dogs on those racially different mystical collectivists. That made them OUR useful idiots, and they were politely ignored until they voted in Ike, Nixon, and Gott Mitt Uns on dollar bills.
So what would stop those who participated in those Walls of Moms and Walls of Vets who stood between arsonists and federal agents in front of the Mark O. Hatfield Courthouse in Portland from being indicted for sedition?
Aside from prosecutors personally sympathizing with their cause?
Can't you tell the difference between overthrowing the federal government and a band of rioting thugs who commit arson?
Motive counts.
Lock them all up together.
Pedophiles should be locked up. Permanently.
Was this sedition? They actually reached the lawmakers in the Wisconsin Capitol.
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna41664858
Burning down a federal courthouse would "prevent, hinder, or delay" the execution of a law of the United States.
So participating in a White House tour.., is now the equivalent of overthrowing the US Government? These "tourists were directed thru the gates.... Then they were lead by thier tour guides on were to go in the building. As a "man with a gun" hid with his gun drawn in the corner behind a door. Waiting to shot whoever was the first to enter. No STOP!!! NO WARNING!! NO TASSER!! Just BAM!! U be dead. So please explain the "officer training" involved in that outcome? If real.... It was cold bloody murder. PERIOD!!
The Phucko Knows
Raucous laughter? Embarrassed pity?
"He warned that he and likeminded patriots might have to "take to arms in defense of our God given liberty."
This statement may be alarming to some, but it isn't far from the text and spirit of the Second Amendment itself:
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
----Second Amendment
Is the Second Amendment seditious? Anyone who finds the statement above alarming, attributed to the Oathkeeper in this story, should find the Second Amendment even more alarming. The real purpose of the Second Amendment is to arm the American people so that they can resist an oppressive government if it should ever become necessary for them to do so to defend their rights and liberties, and anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
"If circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow citizens."
----Federalist No. 29
It should be noted that at the time of the Capitol Riot, the results of the Georgia Senate runoffs had just become public in the wee hours of January 6, and the progressives were promising to pack the Supreme Court--making the Democratic party and the U.S. government one in the same thing.
Meanwhile, Biden, on his campaign website, was promising to launch a war on gun ownership like nothing we've ever seen before--including a ban on "assault weapons" and a ban on the online sale of both firearms and ammunition. Biden's campaign promises included a national gun
relinquishment[confiscation] plan to be coordinated between the FBI, the ATF, and local law enforcement across the country."As president, Biden will direct the FBI and ATF to outline a model relinquishment process, enact any necessary legislation to ensure relinquishment when individuals newly fall under one of the federal prohibitions, and then provide technical and financial assistance to state and local governments to establish effective relinquishment processes on their own."
----Biden Campaign Website
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
Statements made on and around January 6 should be understood and judged within the context of the circumstances on and around January 6. No one knew that Manchin and Sinema would save us from some of the worst excesses of the authoritarian progressives at the time, but Biden has still gotten away with murder from a constitutional standpoint since then. Off the top of my head, he admitted to the White House flagging posts and accounts for Facebook to censor and ban, and he sicced the FBI's anti-terrorism task force on parents for opposing their local school boards.
If progressives don't like rhetoric that compares them to authoritarian dictatorships in the language of the American Revolution, maybe they should stop openly advocating and implementing authoritarian policies that violate our constitutional rights.
"should find the Second Amendment even more alarming. "
They do. We can't have people questioning or opposing the Government.
And in addition to the sedition counts, which are punishable by up to 20 years in prison
Five years is enough since since it was a lame form of sedition.
20 years should be reserved for slimeball pieces of shit that post child pornography on this website.
Fuck you, you lying redneck Trump cocksucker.
Pluggo the clown
Chumpy Chump the Toddler-Humper
I know you ware, but what am I?
I see The Plucky Squirrell surrounded by grey rectangles I assume must be populated by Pottsylvanian nazis like Fearless, Boris and Natasha. If only they knew how outmatched they are...
Everyone here know what you did. Why do you even bother pretending?
He likes pretending. And kidding.
Preteending.
Just like some of you evil liars endlessly repeat the lie that I once wrote that I like to eat shit? Yet you can't produce a cite that proves it? Just like Hitler had his Big Lie, and now Trump has his Big Lie, and if you repeat it often enough, it becomes true? Hitler, Trump, and the clown-car parade right here... All servants of the Evil One, AKA, the Father of Lies!
If you ever come around to wanting to work on your affliction, EvilBahnFuhrers, start here: M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, the Hope for Healing Human Evil
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/
People who are evil attack others instead of facing their own failures. Peck demonstrates the havoc these “people of the lie” work in the lives of those around them.
You attack people all the time you evil shit eater.
I think it is because you are not happy with who you are. I mean you post on a site, pretending to be a squirrel who attacks everyone who does not agree with you politically and then play the victim when someone hits back. Could this be because you are such a shitty failure of a human being in life, that you have to come here and pretend to be a retarded tree rat, because that is so much better than having to be who you really are? Look at the amazing robo rodent who types out bad parodies of good rock songs so they can feel creative or relevant. It is sad when people have the hypocritical gall to tell others that they should reflect on themselves when they themselves surely have not.
You resent the hell out of the fact that many other people are flat-out, better, more honest people than you are, right? More “live and let live”, and WAAAY less authoritarian?
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/in-love-and-war/201706/why-some-people-resent-do-gooders
From the conclusion to the above…
These findings suggest that we don’t need to downplay personal triumphs to avoid negative social consequences, as long as we make it clear that we don’t look down on others as a result.
SQRLSY back here now… So, I do NOT want you to feel BAD about YOU being an authoritarian asshole, and me NOT being one! PLEASE feel GOOD about you being an evil, lying asshole! You do NOT need to push me (or other REAL lovers of personal liberty) down, so that you can feel better about being an asshole! EVERYONE ADORES you for being that asshole that you are, because, well, because you are YOU! FEEL that self-esteem, now!
All you do is look down on others. For example, " you resent the hell out of the fact that other people are better, more honest people than you are." Trying to allude to the idea that you yourself are better and more honest people. Your Comments are always negative, so you are no do gooder. As far as being authoritarian, you can't seem to let anyone hold a different belief from yourself without your usual caustic inane chatter that reminds me of an old saying, if you can't wow them with wisdom then baffle them with bullshit. And I have no reason to be sad, all I did was point out the obvious. I especially like the last paragraph of your idiotic statement, where you go on the attack and play the victim at the same time. Almost as if I predicted it. You are a lying sad individual, who has to pretend to be some third-rate anthropomorphic personification of a cute woodland creature because the person behind the squirrel is all the hateful things you project onto others. Drop the act, stop lying to yourself, just be your real self and the healing can begin.
I’ve muted the shit eater so I don’t see his rantings.
R Mac has ALSO muted its conscience, so that it can keep on being an evil liar, in "peace".
The truth hurts, doesn’t it Kiddie Raper? Maybe you should just admit to yourself that you’re an evil predator of children and do something good for once and turn yourself in to the cops.
Ooohhhh, aren’t you testy? The truth hurts doesn’t it Kiddie Raper? We should find out who you are and dox your ass so the locals can cleanse their neighborhood of your child raping ass.
"20 years should be reserved for slimeball pieces of shit that post child pornography on this website."
Just thls site? So, you're OK with this if it's on another site?
That refers to Buttplug’s poster of child porn links here. You’re taking the statement a bit too literally.
The Trump 2020 campaign seemed to excel at incompetence, much like his Presidency. The public saw a campaign that could not put together a platform or message. They saw lawyers that could talk about fraud but could not make a case for the same fraud. Now they see a second-rate sedition plan to stop the vote certification. Good thing the prosecutors will be first rate.
Yeah, it had nothing to do with the pandemic, the lockdowns, or the biggest, fastest spike in unemployment in American history caused by both.
"The public saw a campaign that could not put together a platform or message.
The public rarely heard from Biden at all. They thought they were getting a moderate. And now his radical agenda is eating shit because of the lack of support. Biden was a lame duck from day one.
Biden doesn't have a "radical agenda"; Biden is barely coherent. Biden is a figurehead for a bunch of radical holdovers from the Obama administration.
Presidencies are no defined by the crisis faced but by the President's response. I can not say that another President would do better than Trump, I can say they could not do worse.
Can you really tell me what Trump's message to voters was in 2020? I certainly could not tell what it was?
The message was on the red baseball hat, dim bulb. And, presidencies don't require a crisis, or a response. I can say that it seems pretty clear that Warp Speed would not have occurred with biden in the Oval Office. Or, most likely, trump's predecessor, the lightworker. They are both followers and believers in rules, regulations, and governmental systems. Rapid deployment of anything is anathema to fuckwits.
A quicker end to federal exploitation of the COVID pandemic? A popular rejection of 6 months of burning/looting and fuck all being done about it? The fact that the de facto state media has lied so bad and obviously that they make Trump look honest? A deescalation to war mongering in the middle east? Slightly less in spending? Less arbitrary power for unelected, rule by memo agencies? A potential Block against more progressive SCOTUS nominees? And (outside of his dumb attempt to ban Tiktok), a clearly better choice for almost every constitutional right we have and claim to hold dear?
While the LP spewed out half-woke mush while the country was on fire.
Well, SCOTUS just ruled the Con Man couldn't hide his records from that day.
The walls are closing in!
HAPERINVESTIGATION!
The net is closing.
Yes, and that will amount to a big, fat nothing.
How many times has this happened before? Haven't you figured it out yet? Trump doesn't resist these demands for information because he has something to hide, he does it because he loves seeing Democrats tie themselves in knots trying to get them.
And they make themselves look like assholes every time.
Nancy Polosi's buttplug
Shouldn't be applauding a Committee who argues in court that there are no actual legal limits on their ability to subpoena information.
Blue states shutdown and a TikTok 5 second attention span society blamed it on the guy in DC. Except they didn’t shutdown mail delivery.
No Malarkey!
Yeah, after Democrats worked for four years to make it clear that they would destroy anybody who was in any way associated with Trump, it's not surprising that Trump had a hard time to find competent people to run his campaign.
Trump actually accomplished a lot of good things in his presidency, and that is even more remarkable in light of the relentless persecution by Democrats of Trump, his administration, and his supporters.
"Trump actually accomplished a lot of good things"
Nothing that couldn't be summed up on a post-it.
We aren't talking about your understanding of reality.
FYI.
How sweet. Trumpanzees™ are no less promiscuously submissive than their Siamese twins on the other side of the two-looter aisle. It must be pheromones that let them tell each other apart.
Moderate US political views are evidently incomprehensible to a fascist like you, Hank.
Yeah, you’re REALLY centrist.
Trump was at least a moderate success. Not like this abortion of an administration that fails miserably at absolutely everything.
Out of one side of his face Biden says the election could be rigged while out of the other he charged people with sedition for saying the election was rigged.
Curious how Reason’s coverage of the January 6th Committee’s abuses will be going forward.
https://greenwald.substack.com/p/congresss-16-committee-claims-absolute
Take your Trumpy Greenwald links elsewhere, this is a libertarian website.
Sorry I forgot.
Of course it’s Loretta Lynch.
“But the 1/6 Committee recognizes no right of any kind and no limits on its power. On November 23 — the day after it served a subpoena on Budowich himself — it served a subpoena on Budowich's bank, JPMorgan. The original date for the bank to produce the records was December 7, but JPMorgan — advised by Loretta Lynch as its legal counsel — bizarrely requested that the deadline be extended until December 24: the day before Christmas, knowing that courts would be closed that day and the next. It was only on December 21 — when Budowich was in Washington for his testimony before the committee — did JPMorgan send him notice at his home that it had received a subpoena and intended to produce the requested documents on December 24: just three days later. As JPMorgan and Lynch knew would happen, Budowich did not see the letter until he arrived home on the evening of December 22: less than forty-eight hours before the bank told him they were going to give up all of his financial records to the committee.
Upon discovering that the committee had subpoenaed his bank, Budowich's lawyers immediately advised JPMorgan that they had legal objections to the subpoena, and requested that — given it was about to be Christmas Eve and the courts would be closed — the bank seek an extension from the committee to enable Budowich to seek a judicial ruling. But the bank, advised by Loretta Lynch, refused — and told him they intended to turn the documents over on Christmas regardless of whether that gave him time to request judicial intervention. The bank even refused to provide a copy of the subpoena they received from the committee, which Budowich, to this very day, has not seen.
A one party committee persecuting opposition politicians and their supporters.
The US truly has turned into a socialist sh*thole.
It turned into a National Socialist satrapy in 2016, using the same fake "we're not the same as the commies" camouflage that suckered the Germans into totalitarianism in 1933.
There, FTFY.
Yup, that's the approach of the Democrats. The Democratic party platform is very similar to the NSDAP party platform, as is the repeated abuse of executive power by Democratic presidents and administrations.
You hate Trump so much because he was a speed bump in America's slide into fascism.
Rochelle Walensky just admitted, in senate testimony, that the VAERS reporting system counts any adverse event after a vaccine, including a death by car accident.
Conclusion: The VAERS database numbers can't be trusted because it's essentially counting deaths WITH the vaccine, not FROM the vaccine.
I wonder if there's any other reporting systems the CDC relies and reports on that might also contain this interesting method of accounting?
That conclusion is wrong. Unlike official COVID death statistics, which are supposed to be a complete accounting of every death from/with COVID, the VAERS does not attempt a complete accounting. It just collects reports of adverse events.
VAERS is primarily used to look for patterns in the reports themselves; for that, the actual text and patient history are important.
But VAERS can also be used to get a very rough estimate of relative risk of different vaccines, since the with/from distinction applies the same way to all vaccine reports. And when you look at relative risks, the VAERS suggests that adverse reactions from COVID vaccines are 10-100x more frequent than from other vaccines.
That conclusion is wrong. Unlike official COVID death statistics, which are supposed to be a complete accounting of every death from/with COVID, the VAERS does not attempt a complete accounting. It just collects reports of adverse events.
That was what Rochelle Walensky implied in her testimony.
I'm aware she's wrong, and she and Fauci may have actually lied to Congress today in their testimony. I just find it interesting that they continue to back themselves into impossible corners.
I have lost count of how many times Fauci has lied to Congress and the American people. Regular people would go to prison, Fauci gets a half million dollar a year salar/pension instead.
Nor are Fauci's faults and failures anything new. As with COVID, Fauci also bet on ineffective vaccines while interfering with the development of effective anti-viral drugs for HIV. He was reviled for years, ACT UP was created to fight him, but then somehow managed to wheedle himself into the good graces of AIDS activists again.
I believe Darkhorse podcast was also talking how tough it is to get reported into vaers. I'm regurgitating their analysis but Brett basically said it isn't any joe schmo just puts up a report and it's approved in there.
Yeah, that's clearly absurd. The people stripping American citizens of their rights are doing by open and free collaboration, by buying votes and corrupting the political process, without the need for any conspiracy. You can read about their strategy in Alinsky, Dutschke, Schwab, and many other books.
Ultimately, Americans are losing their rights because Americans have become lazy, stupid, greedy, and entitled.
Two headlines in major news sources:
Some Americans continue to refuse COVID-19 vaccine as hospitals feel strain from Omicron
Omicron flips ‘big switch’ at Seattle-area hospitals as ICUs are spared from COVID surge
From the second:
The other interesting thing... I absolutely find this *finger kiss* magnifique how the media and health institutions are starting to slowly back away from "cases".
It’s not all that slowly. As much as you would like to paint them as irrational, they are looking at omicron and realizing tracking cases doesn’t give them that much useful info.
Could be another entrapment like the kidnapping of the Michigan governor. There is nothing I wouldn't put past the government.
"Pitifully Inept and Ineffectual" is the clue, actual seditionist could do way better.
Yes, you are planning an armed insurrection, but leave your arms and ammo at the hotel. And what is this unnamed arsenal? Two pen knifes and a hammer?
Could be. It will come out in the trial.
The one detail that supports your hypothesis is: how does the government know what they were talking about in private Signal conversations?
Will it? We’ve seen the kind of shit the FBI and DOJ pulled when Trump was still in office. Now they’re completely unbound.
Where were these guys when Obama was robbed of about 100 federal judge picks and a U.S. Supreme Court pick? Where were these guys during the unconstitutional “Bush Preemption Doctrine”, warrantless domestic spying, spying on churches, Cointelpro style covert blacklisting, etc. that also violated the U.S. Constitution?
Can anyone imagine what would have happened if the January 6 rioters were predominantly an African-American group?
This is really about “Tribalism” and some rioters (not all) with an unconstitutional theocratic view of government (instead of a First Amendment view of Freedom of/from religion).
Politicians do bear much of the blame. They continually demonize their opponents and divide Americans. Gerrymandering divides Americans even further. Trump swore an Oath of Office (supreme loyalty oath limiting his authority) to uphold the U.S. Constitution to the best of his ability. Trump then promised GOD to uphold that oath. Does anyone honestly believe Trump honored his employment contract?
Well said.
It has become apparent over the past year, that the riot at the capitol was not a coup attempt. It was an ill advised protest turned into a riot that was more or less peaceful (using the standard set earlier in the year with all the BLM and George Floyd "mostly peaceful" riots).
It's now apparent that there were government agents and some opposing political actors in the crowds that were actively inciting for the crowd to enter the capitol. This event was orchestrated not by the protesters, but by opposition players.
The protest was bad, but the people who incited the crowd are much worse. The government will indict and punish the suckers who were deceived by government agents into entering into the capitol, but the truly evil government agents who incited the crowd will be hidden in the shadows.
Can you breathe with your head stuck that far up your ass?
"Can you breathe with your head stuck that far up your ass?"
You should know given your extensive experience with this position.
That’s rich coming from a shitweasel traitor like you.
Recited like a true uomo dei fascio. Next we'll have rednecks with green teeth swearing on Tha Bauble that nazi frogmen flippered out of the Delaware to trick Positive Christian Patriots into gettin' a leetle carried away after Libertarian spoiler votes shitcanned their girl-bullying gaggle of superstitious mystics out of trough and troth, bribes and boodle, pelf and payola, and the opportunity to send goons gunning for girls, messkins, hippies, "black gentlemen" and salseros. True Credere Obbedire Combattere brainwashing in action.
Hank: you are the fascist. Go to hell.
Uomo. What evidence do we have that there were federal agents involved?
The only evidence I have heard are that several prominent people have not been arrested, with focus on minor players or even people who were arguably non-players. No actual "leaders" have been arrested (notably Epps). A counterpoint is that this is in no small part this is because there were no leaders of the spontaneous riot, and the DOJ is avoiding charging anyone with the resources to properly defend themselves against these charges.
Present us with actual evidence of a false-flag, not just supposition.
>...and a German Shepherd named Warrior.
That is fucking HILARIOUS Sullum. Well done!
"When former President Jimmy Carter claims the assault on the Capitol "almost succeeded in preventing the democratic transfer of power," he is giving blowhards like Rhodes way too much credit."
Oh yeah, I guess a Beer Hall Putsch wasn't some harbinger of something bigger because it didn't succeed.
Fuck off. What lazy "journalism." It was a full front assault on our republic. Just because these idiots didn't do it well enough doesn't mean they didn't learn from it and won't prepare more for the next one.
You lose all credibility when you pretend this was an actual threat to the federal government.
raspberry’s take is quite credible.
He was referring to credibility by a rational and objective person, not by ignorant extremists who are only able to accept things that feed their own fantasies of Leftist domination of the nation and its people.
Only to simpleton's as yourself. Your pathetic dude. Just pathetic.
The Phucko Knows
You can't lose what you don't have.
Looked pretty threatening to me as I watched it on television and I'm a veteran and retired LEO.
I guess they'll just have to show the video to the jury and let them decide if the defendant's actions were "threatening"
Are you trying to claim that the Beer Hall Putch almost overthrew the Bavarian government?
Are you trying to claim that the Beer Hall Putsch was not a seditious conspiracy? The Germans at the time seemed to think so. Hitler was convicted of Treason and sentenced to five years imprisonment (although they let him out early)
Sounds like the Capital Police and the Oathkeepers were playing Red Rover.
Capitol, with an o.
Who cares... U know what was implied. Only the mindless always get hung up on semantics.
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It will be much more interesting to learn what a judge and jury have to say, applying a "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard. I doubt DOJ would have brought this case if they didn't think they had a decent chance at winning. I find this much more persuasive than the 'analysis' of a non-lawyer.
Just like today, the FBI in 1940 had to round up whining Christian Front Hitlerites, Bund brothers, Silvershirts, Klan kooks, communists and Abraham Lincoln Brigade marxists--all of them equally collectivist, totalitarian, altruistic and brainwashed. Search "Christian Front" in the Google News Archive and see for yourself.
He's also lying like a rug.
Jimmeh is lying like a dog for his half of the altruist looter Kleptocracy, just like Nixon, Ford, Ceausescu, Bush I&II and The Don lied for theirs. We don't call them looters for nothing, and they certainly have good reason for calling each other liars. You should pay attention to what they say about each other.
Jimmy Carter was almost as much of a loser as Biden. Almost.
Did they drive to D.C. in clown cars? The scary thing is that these were veterans. Is that the quality of our military? I spent my grade school years playing Army and Cowboys and Indians, and back then I could have organized a better action than those 'tards.
There was an earlier Christian Front sedition trial in NY in 1940. The same sort of superstitious, paranoid, papal collectivists, wannabee blackshirts, caudillo brawlers and Hitlerista Positive Christianity Socialists brainwashed by Father Coughlin's "Social Justice" braycasts accumulated weapons to attack Frankie Rosenfeld and STOP THE STEAL! As in Germany, this riff-raff sought to sacralize a War on Jews. Today's version is a two-front War on Plants and sacred War on Girls, with black-baiting thrown in for good measure.
disclaimer- I am not and have never been a Trump supporter.
GLENN GREENWALD nails the libertarian issues on this topic. HIRE HIM. Get his permission and publish an op-ed. You cited the NYT, failed to mention FBI involvement in the riot, and ignored the multiple unconstitutional actions being taken by Congress in this investigation. Commenters did a better job raising th elibertarian issues than you did. You write for Reason. You did better than Tucille- but you had a whole article, he just made a random mention. Anyone who wants the lowdown on the 6th should follow Greenwald on Substack.
Don't be silly. Why would Reason hire a libertarian writer?
"...Although it is the closest thing we have seen so far to an "insurrection" (the label that Democrats routinely apply to the riot)..."
It's spelled "protest", Sullum.
Whataboutism is not a good defense strategy unless you're pretty darn certain you already have a sympathetic jury.
Remind me again ... from where will this jury pool be drawn?
the meaning of export and its purpose..