Did Redistricting Reform Fail in Ohio?
Ohio's supposed reforms left lawmakers in charge of the mapmaking process, and a gerrymandered map was the predictable result.

After Republicans used their control of Ohio's state government to draw politically favorable congressional and legislative district maps a decade ago, voters in the state approved a constitutional amendment in 2018 that was supposed to put an end to such single-party mapmaking.
It seems to have failed.
In a pair of rulings last week, the Ohio Supreme Court rejected the proposed maps—congressional, state Senate, and state House district—on the grounds that all three unfairly favored Republicans. "The General Assembly produced a plan that is infused with undue partisan bias and that is incomprehensibly more extremely biased than the 2011 plan that it replaced," wrote Justice Michael Donnelly in a 4-3 opinion invalidating the new congressional plan.
The proposed congressional map would have given Republicans an advantage in 12 of the state's 15 congressional districts, according to an analysis by the Princeton Gerrymandering Project, which measures proposed and enacted political maps on several different metrics of geographic compactness and political competitiveness. (At present, Republicans control 12 of the state's 16 congressional seats, but Ohio is losing one seat due to reapportionment.)
Though the proposed map scored a grade of "C" for compactness and for not unnecessarily dividing too many existing political boundaries, the Princeton Gerrymandering Project gave it an overall grade of "F" for the underlying partisan imbalance. A fairer map, the group says, would give Republicans an edge in eight to 10 of the 15 districts.
It's not exactly clear what will happen now, but The Columbus Dispatch reports today that both the state legislature and the state's new redistricting commission will get back to work on a new set of maps.
Rather than speculating about what might happen next, it's more useful to look back at how Ohio arrived at this point. What went wrong with the redistricting reforms that were supposed to prevent this one-sided outcome in the first place?
The answer has to do with the changes implemented in 2018, which ultimately left state lawmakers and other political figures in control of the process, despite the veneer of reform. The constitutional amendment approved by voters created a new redistricting commission for redrawing state House and state Senate districts but left the state's General Assembly in charge of the congressional district-drawing process—though the amendment did raise the threshold for passing a new map so that 60 percent of both chambers had to approve.
That explains why the congressional map ended up the way it did. Republicans hold sizable majorities in both chambers of the Ohio General Assembly, so they easily passed a map that was slanted towards the GOP.
But the commission failed to draw a map that could pass judicial muster. That's probably because, unlike some other states that have attempted to create commissions where members of the public have a say, Ohio's "reform" put seven high-ranking state officials in charge of the legislative maps. The commission's members are: Gov. Mike DeWine (R), Secretary of State Frank LaRose (R), State Auditor Keith Faber (R), Speaker of the House Robert Cupp (R), Senate President Matthew Huffman (R), House Minority Leader Emilia Sykes (D), and state Sen. Vernon Sykes (D).
That means Ohio's new (and newly rejected) district maps are a classic example of what Walter Olson, a senior fellow at the Cato Institute, has previously termed "buddymandering." It's one of the major reasons why some redistricting reforms "go off the rails," as Olson wrote in a July 2020 Reason article. Leave politicians in full control of the redistricting process and overtly political outcomes are sure to follow.
There is probably no set of reforms that can fully remove politics from what is an inherently political process. Politicians and political parties have extremely powerful incentives to influence the district-drawing process, so the key is to try and mute that potential influence as much as possible—or, at the very least, to prevent one party from having full control. In the same way that effective constitutions prevent power from accumulating in a few hands, an effective redistricting system is one that diffuses the responsibility away from those who have the strongest desire to control it.
Many states have undertaken reforms—of varying degrees of effectiveness—over the past 10 years, so this redistricting cycle is the first large-scale experiment with what works and what doesn't. Clearly, Ohio's tepid changes were not worth much.
But reforms in other states still offer hope. In Maryland, for example, a truly nonpartisan citizens redistricting commission produced a congressional map that is objectively superior in every way to the one produced by state lawmakers. Unfortunately, the lawmakers get to choose which map becomes reality—something that reformers will try to fix before 2030.
Reformers in Ohio might want to pay attention to the words of Chief Justice Maureen O'Connor of the Ohio Supreme Court. A Republican appointee, O'Connor joined with the court's three Democratic appointees to block the approval of the new state legislative district maps. In a separate concurrence, she highlighted the obvious benefits of nonpartisan redistricting commissions.
"While not free from their own vulnerabilities, independent redistricting commissions have become 'the premier institutional solution to the problem of partisan gerrymandering' because they increase the degree of separation between map-drawers and partisan politics," O'Connor wrote. "Having now seen firsthand the current Ohio Redistricting Commission—comprised of statewide elected officials and partisan legislators—is seemingly unwilling to put aside partisan concerns as directed by the people's vote, Ohioans may opt to pursue further constitutional amendment to replace the current commission with a truly independent, nonpartisan commission that more effectively distances the redistricting process from partisan politics."
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"the proposed map scored a grade of "C" for compactness and for not unnecessarily dividing too many existing political boundaries"
Yeah, that one doesn't look as bad as say, Maryland's recently proposed districts.
There is significant merits to going to a proportional representation system where each party gets the number of seats in proportion to the percentage of votes they get. That way the makeup of the legislature is always closely matching the voter will and very little opportunity for the manipulation mentioned in the article.
The problem is that the only way to ensure that result is to get rid of districting entirely and to make all your legislators 'at-large'.
That has the very negative consequences of hardening alignment to existing political parties and weakening the connections between politicians and their constituents.
It a small political party gets 10% of the vote they would get 10% of the seats. That could lead to smaller parties having a say and give voters options.
Not gonna happen.
Its called a parliamentarian system and it has many problems of its own, including failure to form governments and parties who won a minority of actual seats being in charge.
No, it isn't. A Parliamentary, or Westminster system is something completely different.
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Parliamentary systems exist with proportional representation and with single-member districts. Parliamentary systems aren't about how they're elected, but how they compose the government.
A parliamentary system is one without separation between the legislative and executive branches, and functions, of government.
Reason:
"Republicans in control. Map bad."
I'm pretty sure that conservative Republican voters in single member districts feel absolutely no connection with the liberal Democrats who get elected by simple majority rule.
The trouble with majority rule (50%+1 vote) is that the minority (50%-1 vote) is left without a voice.
The idea is to not have single member districts (or any districts) as much as possible.
In Molly's world, if a state had 10 seats available, and republicans got 49% of the vote, 4 or 5 (depending on the rounding rules) of the legislators seated would be republican.
Again, though, this breaks the system of legislators being beholden to a specific locality rather than to a general party platform. Manchin right now is bucking his party, precisely because he is beholden to his constituents, and not the party. In the proportional system, he votes with the democrats.
Yes it does break the local rep idea, which I am not a fan of. But I think it is a better system then we now have. However in the case of Manchin, my proposal would not affect him because I am only talking about state and House delegations. I think the Senate needs to change also but that is a different issue.
It also removes the ability to vote for people and forces a vote to be for party.
The actual answer is to make districts much smaller and vastly increase the amount of Reps. Both on a state level and national level. Oh, and force all votes to be livestreamed and recorded with cameras facing the podiums and chambers so that those Reps get to look like fucking idiots to their constituents when they're not attending their jobs. This forces any major gerrymandering to look really, really stupid and obvious, and more importantly increases the relation of any individual politician with their constituents thus making them more accountable for their actions.
Oh hell no! I live in Pennsylvania. If they went to that Philadelphia, Pittsburgh and Harrisburg would own the State's Congressional Seats.
Notice how Boehm picked Ohio for the article. The only State where Republicans benefitted from gerrymandering.
Notice how Boehm picked Ohio for the article. The only State where Republicans benefitted from gerrymandering.
That's funny. Tell another one.
Fine. Propose a constitutional amendment then. Right now the power is in state legislature per the constitution.
There are better merits in getting rid of elections altogether and using sortition (lot) to choose legislators. Akin to jury duty.
And it is literally impossible to gerrymander in sortition. No matter how screwed up the districts look, random selection (with enough critters) always produces a legislature that resembles the citizenry itself.
Lol. Have you ever seen a jury?
Jury selection without voir dire and with no ability to be excused. We get terrible juries (when we get them) mostly because lawyers choose terrible juries.
Can we split this baby? Assuming a state has more than 3 districts, can we combine districts and elect the top n candidates in a district.
ie, California has 50-some representatives - let's just go with 50 as a nice round number. If we reduce that to 25 districts, but each district elects 2 members, would that make it harder to gerrymander? Candidates would still retain a connection to localities, and people would still vote for individual candidates.
It does probably create some unfortunate consequences where rural districts disappear into urban districts, and 2 urban politicians get elected. But that's probably less bad than long tails snaking into different demographics to siphon votes into particular districts. And this should make traditional gerrymandering a lot harder, because you'd have to protect not just the top candidate, but the top two candidates, which would require much larger majorities to ensure.
If you're a socialist/fascist, you certainly would believe that.
Yes, like 1930's Germany or 2000's Venezuela.
Also, the 'Partisan Fairness' metric slider from the Princeton Redistricting Report Card lists the 'Fair Zone' as anywhere from 8 to 10 Republican districts, out of 15, but the 'A' rating range for a map goes from 7.5 to 9.5. This seems like it's reflective of potential built-in bias.
Then there is a 'B' zone for fairness in which the Republicans only win 6 to 7.5 seats on a given map, but there is no corresponding 'B' zone to the right - it goes straight to an 'F' rating after 9.5. Even if the map was drawn in such a way that the Republicans had an advantage in 10 districts, like they proposed, it would get an F rating on their scale. Inside their own fair zone.
But a map that was gerrymandered in such a way that Democrats in a majority Republican state could command 8 of 15 seats, outside their definition of fair, that map would receive a grade of 'B'.
Aren't Democrat voters allowed to vote for Republicans and vice versa?
One would think.
Some places won’t allow it for primaries.
Why in the hell would Democrat voters vote for Republicans and vice versa?
Conversely, why in the hell would Republican voters vote for Democrats and vice versa?
Ask Democrats that vote Trump 24!
Succeeded beautifully according to plan.
Fuck Ohio. If you call your state "Oh. Hi, yuh" then you deserve what you get.
But don't you dare say fuck joe biden.
An article about gerrymandering in THE Ohio State.
Funny how it's only gerrymandering and a problem when Republicans set the lines. Let Democrats create a one party state through much worse district drawing and it's all good.
It's good in, say, California because they also control the court that ultimately blesses the gerrymander. In PA, for example, the court will unconstitutionally "correct the map" because the Dems control said court. What might be fair, is to have a computer draw up the districts with equal population in each and let the lines fall where they may. Yeah, you might be in a different district than your neighbor across the street, but that happens no matter who draws districts.
The PA districting has the party representatives in Congress closely relate to the popular vote. So success.
It's success if your objective is mob rule, which, of course, it is.
Point of drawing lines is to group people with similar interests, otherwise you could just program a computer to draw boundaries.
1. Agree on methods and pricedures to make the maps
2. Do so
3. Publish the results.
Those not liking the results are just bitter partisaners.
Agree on an algorithm that draws districts starting from a randomly chosen point. Governor throws a dart at a map to choose the point.
Voila, fair districts.
I live in Illinois and have been in a solid red district for 30 years. Not that it matters much because Illinois is a one party blue state no matter the interests of flyover deplorables. The new map will turn my district blue. It's not even controversial.
I thought that the Illinois map was pretty ridiculous. And, to be fair, Reason (or at least Boehm) and these Princeton guys thought so too:
https://reason.com/2021/10/19/illinois-gerrymandered-congressional-map-is-a-window-into-americas-political-dysfunction/
"There is probably no set of reforms that can fully remove politics from what is an inherently political process."
This, in a nutshell, is why it is folly to ever hope to get a wholly fair, nonpartisan drawing of districts. Who decides what is fair? The peoples' representatives? Judges? "Impartial" observers? A computer program? What if a heavily Democratic district votes in a popular Republican candidate? Do the districts then have to be redrawn to rebalance for fairness?
The trouble with these gerrymandering reform proposals is that they always lead to court cases where it ends up that judges impose their ideas of fairness on the process. By the way, judges, including supreme court judges, in Ohio are elected, so so much for an impartial opinion in the current dispute.
If the percentage of reps elected per party matches the overall vote distribution then it is fair. Simple.
We get it. You vote for a party and not an individual.
You're voting for an angry mob.
It's "fair" if you want totalitarian mob rule, if you view society as a zero-sum game, and if you think that might makes right.
It is a disaster for decent people who view government as a way of reaching compromise between disparate interests and who believe that a democracy needs to protect minorities.
The Colorado map was drawn by an independent commission and Princeton graded it 'A' so maybe it's possible to make a fair nonpartisan map.
Who decided Princeton was the arbiter of fair?
If Princeton graded it "A", you can bet that it is highly manipulated in favor of one party.
The more districts there are the harder it becomes to gerrymander in any significant sense without it being stupidly obvious. Moreover, with many more smaller districts it makes the racial sorting effectively mandated under the VRA obsolete. However the powermongers in both parties don't want to divide their power and so refuse to increase the number of reps.
Maybe the inherent problem is that Democrats tend to cluster in cities, and you'll have 70-90% of a population a certain geographical area that are completely Democratic voters. Drawing any sensible boundaries is going to concentrate Democratic votes while Republican votes are going to be more even distributed.
Gerrmandering is much more about helping Democrats than anything else. You can spread some of those inner city deep blue voters in amongst the people who live in the burbs, or even out in the middle of nowhere. It doesn't make any logical sense-the point in having a representative in government is it represents the interests of a specific group, but if you cut the line so there's no common interests for that group, districts are meaningless.
"Maybe the inherent problem is that Democrats tend to
cluster inturn cities into clusterfucks."FIFY
All redistricting is done with computers and by consultants. The only real decision is whether to accept a set of maps or not accept the maps. I think that the best we can do is to require that the process is transparent, and that any consultant hire to produce maps should not have significant ties to any major party.
The computer instruction for the map drawing should be a matter of public records. This will allow the public to see what criteria was used for the process.
Just divy it up into equal and randomly placed squares.
The only way to do redistricting right would be to have it done by people who had no stake in the outcome: foreigners, for instance, or condemned criminals.
Both foreigners and condemned criminals have a strong interest in destroying the US, simply out of spite.
Just like Americans who wasted their education on getting a social science degree, are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, and are never going to have a family want to destroy this society out of spite.
If you had to decide the rules your employer would use to see if you kept your job, you'd rig them too, wouldn't you? I know I would. Same with deciding about the jobs of any friends of mine.
Any game with significant stakes that I could cheat strangers at, I would. I'd play fair only in a penny ante or friendly game.
If you had to decide the rules your employer would use to see if you kept your job, you'd rig them too, wouldn't you? I know I would. Same with deciding about the jobs of any friends of mine.
If the rules you make to evaluate your job performance are rigged, then it would hurt the performance of the company as a whole, right? The company would lose profitability, thus you and your friends would lose the opportunity for better pay, possibly even your jobs altogether if the company folds.
In your thinking, you are assuming that rigging the system in your own favor is only going to benefit you and your friends, and not hurt the company enough to harm you and your friends. But if everyone at the company thinks the same way and has the same chance to affect how the company functions, that definitely won't be true.
Voting for politicians without integrity and that will bend the rules in their favor so blatantly is self-defeating. If they don't have the integrity to ensure fair elections, what makes anyone think that they will really care about the people that vote for them?
This is the real problem here. A large majority of Ohio's voters wanted fair districts, so that had to include a sizeable number of Republican voters. But Republican legislators ignored that and looked to further cement their power. But they won't be punished for it by those voters. Not enough people bother to vote in primaries or pay enough attention to who votes for what in the state capitals for the legislators to worry about that. And when it comes time to vote in a general election, too many will just vote (R) or (D) without thinking beyond that.
If people don't wake up and vote only for people that have integrity, then nothing will change. The swamp will stay the swamp.
Now do Maryland.
Its all lies...the boundaries have nothi g to do with voting and counting the results.
Its Democrats jobs to then manipulate tge counts.
BTW those are population maps...the small areas are highly populated.
The more outlandish the attempts by Republicans to make the United States government unrepresentative of the United States, the more they are admitting that they are desperate for white male Christian capitalists to have more power than they deserve. And if you people spoke in honest language, you'd say you agree with that notion.
It's easy to prove that the white male Christian capitalist is the best at governing the world. Whether he invents space travel or genocides half the world looking for gold, you can't say he didn't go big!
White male Christian capitalists seem like the worst people on the planet, until you actually compare them to the rest of humanity. Sadly, most other societies used to be slave-owning, sexist, racist, genocidal, bigoted, impoverished, and massively unequal. The socialist/fascist regimes that followed them were even worse.
The big contribution of white male Christian capitalists to humanity was to largely wipe those other kinds of societies off the face of the earth.
You should thank your lucky stars that they did. If it wasn't for white male Christian capitalists, someone like you would probably have been drowned in the nearest swamp by now.
Here's an idea: the minority party could try to get more votes by presenting a program more voters would support and convincing voters they can make it happen.
Yeah, that idea leads straight to socialism/fascism, because that's what giving the voters what they want results in. Societies can't function like that. Catering to short term voter preferences results in massive long term debt, economic collapse, authoritarianism, and people hating each other.
What does function is a society in which government is strictly limited and voters can't just vote themselves government handouts. In a functioning society, gerrymandering isn't an issue because the government has so little power that almost nobody cares.
If only more voters were superior like you...
Catering to short term voter preferences results in massive long term debt, economic collapse, authoritarianism, and people hating each other.
So you agree that no one should be voting for most current Republicans? Or does your thinking only apply to Democrats? Besides, it isn't just short term thinking, but all kinds of irrational motivations. The GOP has been making bank on appealing to people's emotional and religious interests for decades, all while only pretending to care about debt when Democrats have control.
What does function is a society in which government is strictly limited and voters can't just vote themselves government handouts. In a functioning society, gerrymandering isn't an issue because the government has so little power that almost nobody cares.
If only more than a tiny fraction of voters were actually consistent libertarians, this might work. That has no chance of ever happening, though. There is a small chance that enough voters could decide that voting for people without real integrity is self-defeating and start looking for candidates that won't screw things up and then try to convince everyone that they need to keep voting for them or things will get even worse.
Basically, if you don't want politicians to cheat, then stop voting for ones that do and convince others to do the same.
I have an idea, why not have a 3 year old do it? No seriously, hear me; sit a kid down with a map of the state and tell them to draw squares or something.
I still think gerrymandering is a fake issue, as evidenced by how we discuss it. Several aspects bother me:
1. Zero objective standard of quality of districting. Everyone is evaluating the districts and rating them, but nobody talks about what literally makes a good district. I would think that a good district encompasses a sociopolitical area that is congruent. The shape itself could be wacky and the party registrations could go 80/20 one way, but the underlying standards and logic are sound. I would like to believe that new districts are created to represent different classes of people who are different and important enough to warrant their own representation.
2. Obsession with red herrings like shapes and likelihood of victory. Take Philadelphia as an example. Northeast Philly has nothing in common with the rest of the city. It's a more suburban environment, majority white (city proper is plurality black), and is geographically distant (almost an hour away from Center City). Why is this group included in the district? Because it's part of the legal City of Philadelphia. Does it matter that they vote overwhelmingly Republican and effectively have zero representation in city politics? Should they break away from the city because of this? No, because fairness in terms of likelihood to win is not a good standard to use.
3. Toss up districts do not produce better representatives. Some parties and candidates are simply out of touch with their constituents. People vote 70-80% in some elections because of this, especially in areas with unique and specific needs, such as agriculture. Are we supposed to break up these districts so the other party can win? That's insane. Representation isn't supposed to look good by the numbers. You're supposed to have someone that actually represents the majority. This is why rank-choice is unconstitutional in most states and a terrible policy. People elect their representatives, not the other way around. Forcing extreme people into a toss up district doesn't make them less extreme. If anything it increases extremism because they can't vote with their feet and voluntarily segregate. Toss up districts actually encourage extremism because nobody wins by trying to please everyone. Everybody who tries to please everyone ends up pleasing nobody at all. Even if you assume toss-ups do produce moderate candidates, you're basically admitting that representation does not work, that milquetoast candidates are your only choice, and ignoring the strong incentive to politically segregate, which leads to further extremism.
If people are actually divided enough to politically segregate, the answer is to stop being out of touch with your community. If real divides exist, they need to be reconciled. If we beat those horses to death and realize that segregation is necessary, then so be it. We shouldn't insist that everyone be the same by destroying the meaning of a town, township, county, etc. just to force equity in election outcomes.
Well when you consider party affiliation in the US is roughly 27% blue team, 27% red team, and 44% independent the concept of gerrymander is largely meaningless because as long as one of the two minority parties gets to make the lines the majority is always going to be on the shit end of the gerrymander stick.
Yes, I know there are bullshit academics that say there are no true independent voters because they don't understand the reality that independents truly are voting for the lesser of two evils/idiots.