CDC: 61% of Teenagers Hospitalized for COVID-19 Had Obesity
A new study of 915 childhood COVID-19 hospitalizations found that most involved underlying conditions.

One of the only silver linings of the pandemic has been that young people are less affected by COVID-19 than the elderly. In fact, the most vital indicator of negative COVID-19 outcomes is age: Unlike the Spanish flu, which ravaged armies that were overwhelmingly comprised of otherwise healthy young people during World War I, COVID-19's death toll is dramatically skewed toward those who have already lived many years. (For context, the average age of death from Spanish flu was 28.)
That said, about 600 Americans under the age of 18 have died of COVID-19 during the pandemic. A new study from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) took a closer look at young people who were hospitalized for COVID-19 in July and August, while the delta variant wave took hold, and largely found that healthy young people continue to mostly evade the worst of COVID-19.
The study found that most young people who suffer severe COVID-19 outcomes had underlying health conditions. The most common, especially for teenagers, was obesity.
"Among patients aged 12–17 years, 61.4 percent had obesity," according to the study, "60.5 percent of whom had severe obesity."
The study looked at six U.S. hospitals—all of them in the American South—and evaluated 915 cases of COVID-19 in adolescents that required hospitalization. The vast majority were hospitalized for COVID-19, though some had other infections as well. Of the 713 patients who were primarily hospitalized for COVID-19, two-thirds had at least one underlying health condition. For the teenage cohort—patients at least 12 years of age—the obesity rate was 61.4 percent. The severe obesity rate was 60.5 percent. Just one of the eligible patients had been vaccinated, and 11 patients died in total.
What this means, of course, is that COVID-19 can be a fatal disease, even for young people—but vaccine status and general health are extremely important variables. It remains the case that healthy children who do not have underlying health conditions—particularly obesity—are by and large safe from negative COVID-19 health outcomes.
"Compared with patients without obesity, those with obesity required higher levels and longer duration of care," wrote the study's authors. "These findings are consistent with previous reports and highlight the importance of obesity and other medical conditions as risk factors for severe COVID-19 in children and adolescents."
One of the best ways to guard against obesity is to encourage healthy eating and active lifestyles among the youth population. Exercise is not a panacea, but kids who play sports or engage in physical activity are less likely to become obese. Physically active kids tend to have better diets than those who stay indoors all day, glued to their screens.
It's important to perform this reality check—the more healthy and active kids are, the less COVID-19 threatens them—given just how much the lives of young people were upended by pandemic mitigation efforts. In the name of slowing COVID-19's spread, public health authorities closed schools, shuttered extracurricular activities, and instructed young people to remain by themselves, indoors. Even benign activities like playing at the park were discouraged for the first few months of the pandemic. And while many activities have resumed, some college campuses (for instance) would rather their student populations quit sports than dare to do them unmasked.
Those who have rule-making power over young people would be well-advised to consider whether the purported cure is worse than the disease—and whether it actually makes the disease more dangerous for some. Young people need socialization and activity. They need a reason to put down their smartphones and venture out into the world. It is not in the interests of public health to keep them shut up in their bedrooms and dormitories for long periods of time.
As the super infectious—though seemingly more mild—omicron variant threatens to force public health officials to re-implement stringent mitigation measures, that's worth keeping in mind.
*CORRECTION: The headline of this piece has been corrected. Of the hospitalized teenagers in the study, 61 percent were obese, and another 61 percent of those patients had severe obesity.
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Fatties have had two years to flatten their curves. Two years!
But that takes discipline. The more convenient strategy for them is just to force everyone else to get "vaccinated" and wear face diapers.
You forgot blaming everybody else for being 'fatphobic.' To their (fat) credit, the CDC and other stupid health institutions have studiously avoided any discussion of whether or not being overweight may be a risk to health, because it might offend a burgeoning victim class.
Nobody wants to incur the wrath of Rosie O’Donnell
Actually its Ragen Chastain, look her up at your own peril
HAES - Healthy At Every Size is their motto and reading their material its obvious even 4chan is not crazy enough for them
After school closures childhood obesity way up. Almost like they manufactured little fatties, so they would get sick
Obesity has been way up since 1970 or so. And it's not because people have been eating more or because they are now lacking in character. It's because women started going to work in greater numbers and so industrial/restaurant food consumption rose. Which is loaded with carbs - which stimulates insulin which stores fat and makes it impossible to burn fat and stimulates snacking/grazing. Which is why 12% of 2-5 year olds were obese long before covid - 20% of 6-18 year olds. Among adults - 42% of adults obese with another 32% overweight.
Oh - and if you eat GMO corn/soy in significant amounts, then you have all the underlying conditions of future obesity (and immune system problems) even if the weight hasn't risen or you don't have the immune system problems - yet.
But carbs and sugar are so damn tasty.
Obesity is also way up this year. It is possible that fast food and take out were contributors.
Good thing the lockdowns and at home schooling didn't increase childhood obesity...
Or closing outdoor parks.
Americans have gained 2 pounds per month due to the lockdowns:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210323/lockdown-weight-gain-study
But only the lives saved by the lockdowns count (even if that number is hard to quantify), not the negative health outcomes in obesity, depression, anxiety, crime, and isolation.
Fortunately, the Biden diet will take care of that problem.
Side effects may include rapidly increasing dementia.
Less food on the store shelves = less obesity!
Humane Society hardest hit.
Biden Free Diet? Sign us up!
But he wants to lower the price of beef.
I blame EBT.
What this means, of course, is that COVID-19 can be a fatal disease, even for young people
As fatal as falling head-first into a five gallon bucket with two inches of water in it? Because every five gallon bucket is now required to carry a warning about how dangerous they can be. Although, oddly, bathroom trash cans are not required to carry the warning and I shudder to think how many thousands of toddlers must die every year from falling head-first into trash cans.
The warning label should have a label indicating it could be a choking hazard.
Also, it could cause cancer (in California).
I will posit that excess stress from being a hysterical weirdo and buying into the nanny-statist silliness that Cali pushes causes cancer. California is not California-compliant.
Imagine being outraged about a warning label.
Imagine expecting people to have a tiny bit of common sense, and responsibility.
"Imagine expecting people to have a tiny bit of common sense, and responsibility."
Neither of those are characteristics of modern day left wingers. In fact the main tenets of today's lemmings are :
"believe the govt, and The Science! (tm) over your lying eyes, throw your common sense out the window!"
and "everything bad that happens to you is someone else's fault. Racism, the patriarchy, republicans, trump, bigots, all of them have victimized you and equity must be enforced by daddy govt to make up for this crime done to you"
The two traits you mentioned essentially rule you out for being in the left nowadays.
"everything bad that happens to you is someone else's fault"
You mean, like the guy who slept through highschool and never acquired any useful job skills other than menial labor, and whose menial labor job was eventually outsourced to China, and blames "immigrants" and "free trade" and "furriners" for his problems, and votes for a right-wing authoritarian demagogue who promises to build walls and make them pay for it in order to protect those menial labor jobs that only those highschool slackers are qualified for?
Yes, 100% of everyone who didn't learn to code slept through high school. Dirty working class.
Have you never met one? So much dirt. Under the fingers, on their face, on their trucks. It's fucking everywhere. And they stink.
Why, I don't think I got a single manicure back when I was banging nails for a living. It's positively savage.
If your *only talent* is hammering nails, then don't be surprised when there is a lot of competition for your job.
There is no excuse for anyone to graduate highschool and not have some marketable talent beyond menial labor. None.
Jeff thinks building things and carpentry is just hammering nails lol.
Neat how you have absolutely no conception of the math and engineering skills necessary to become a journeyman carpenter.
There's a bigger learning curve during an apprenticeship than journos get in J-school.
Also, that comment couldn't be more elitist if you tried.
The modern left folks, indistinguishable from a 18th century French aristocrat.
Jeff's philosophy degree got him an above average barrista job. So take that.
There is no excuse for anyone to graduate highschool and not have some marketable talent beyond menial labor.
Considering that high school doesn't provide education sufficient to qualify for positions beyond menial labor.... yeah.
If your *only talent* is hammering nails, then don't be surprised when there is a lot of competition for your job.
Sure, but it would be nice if it was a level playing field. Long-standing policies in labor, tax, healthcare, health & safety, etc have long incentivized the use of illegal labor in low-margin businesses while also disincentivizing entrepreneurship in the skilled trades. Couple that with an educational apparatus where lower-achieving students are actively encouraged to seek tertiary education or pursue their artistic dreams instead of learning a trade and you end up where we are today.
By "level playing field", you mean getting rid of the immigration law that serves only as a labor protectionist racket for native-born individuals?
The "illegal labor" is only illegal because the government has deliberately tilted the playing field IN FAVOR of native-born labor. So you want to "level the playing field" by making it more unlevel?
Thats not the only thing immigration caps do shitweasel.
By "level playing field", you mean getting rid of the immigration law that serves only as a labor protectionist racket for native-born individuals?
That's not all it does, but sure, let's have at it. I want everyone to come here and seek their own fortune.
The immigrants are a much smaller issue than the rest of what I talked about, anyway. That firms often prefer them ***at the same nominal wage levels*** in spite of any immigration restrictions is itself a symptom of a larger set of problems.
Nope, not 100%. Not even close. But enough of them to piss me off.
I worked my butt off in highschool and in college and I have a well-paying career because of it. And I am incensed by people who did nothing more than show up to highschool and then have the gall to demand to have the same lifestyle as a result.
Cite?
He sounds as believable as one of those spam comments: “I made 5743$ last week spending only one hour a day on the computer!”
You'd fucking die of cold and hunger if it wasn't for those "menial labor" proles you look down on, fat boy.
You really do deserve to have your smug face smashed in to a pulp.
You must be talking about the students who incurred tremendous debt to get a Masters in Women's Studies and now want the taxpayer to foot the bill. Is that the group you are referencing? They seem to want that 'same lifestyle' gig too.
I think learning to code and sleeping through highschool go hand in hand
Not quite what chemjeff said. In fact, not what he said at all.
Exactly what he said.
"You mean, like the guy who slept through highschool and never acquired any useful job skills other than menial labor, and whose menial labor job was eventually outsourced to China, and blames "immigrants" and "free trade" and "furriners" for his problems"
Let the hate and condescension for those dirty little commoners flow Jeff. Felt like you were channeling Jen Psaki well there. Dont be surprised when Kamala runs with this same tone and gets her ass blasted by basically any populist.
Jeff really does think he is one of the elite lol.
I'm not hating on "commoners". I'm hating on the whiny entitled losers who think that having nothing more than a highschool diploma entitles them to a middle-class lifestyle. If you think that this describes all "commoners" then that is telling.
You are a whiny entitled loser. You've spent 2 years demanding others reduce your health risks.
I'm hating on the whiny entitled losers who think that having nothing more than a highschool diploma entitles them to a middle-class lifestyle.
An environment where merely earning a HS diploma is likely to result in a decent job and comfortable life is called a successful policy mix. Why on Earth would anyone disparage that as a goal?
An environment where merely earning a HS diploma is likely to result in a decent job and comfortable life is called a successful policy mix.
Not if, as the result of obtaining that HS diploma, students didn't LEARN anything or ACQUIRE any marketable skills above menial labor.
If you ONLY have a piece of paper called HS diploma, but nothing else in the way of talents or abilities, then no, you're not entitled to a middle-class job or a middle-class lifestyle, sorry, and handing out middle-class jobs to people just for sleeping through highschool is not a "policy win".
A motivated tradesman can easily make $80k/year, even in small markets. Hell, I currently have water mitigation techs (guys who clean up brown water and do demo) who make $50k. Starting with no experience or education.
And I know college graduates who can't get a job because they don't want to use their hands.
You are a giant asshole snob.
That's funny, I've been saying that for years about high-schol dropouts with 7 kids. Those losers demand a middle-class lifestyle--without even pretending to actually work at any sort of job--what with free food, free healthcare, free housing, free smart phone, free internet so that they can spend what little cash they may actually earn on important things like drugs, big TVs, play station, and tattoos. And now they want "universal basic income" to boot?
I do know how to spell "school", BTW, sorry for the typo.
I fell like Jeff has never seen a single episode of "Dirty Jobs"...
Such a bigot.
Neither of those are characteristics of modern day left wingers. In fact the main tenets of today's lemmings are :
"believe the govt, and The Science! (tm) over your lying eyes, throw your common sense out the window!"
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I dunno if you've seen "Don't Look Up", but it's HILARIOUS to me that some left-wingers are using the phrase as an insult, proving they didn't understand the movie in the slightest.
The "Don't Look Up" faction in the movie were the ones who were actually ignoring the real science and listening to the political science driven by people with fancy-sounding titles. They ignored the well-established plan created by actual scientists and replaced it with models and rich CEOs.
Who does that sound like these days?
Forced speech is good again?
Imagine being a pussy that needs a warning label to point out the obvious.
Imagine being so stupid you confuse humor with outrage.
This is how mentally deranged mothers get rid of undesired children.
"I only turned my back for 1 minute"
Never mind the trash can, think of the toilet! It's designed to have a few inches of water in it. Clearly the seat should have bars spaced no more than 4" apart so a child couldn't stick their head in it and drown.
TOILETS: 42 deaths annually occur from falling off the toilet or young children drowning in them. VENDING MACHINES: Each year vending machines topple over and crush 13 people. WATER HEATERS: With incorrect temperature settings kill an average of 100 people per year.
I assume that 99.999999% of people being crushed by vending machines were trying to rock the machine to either get free food (or free up the bag of chips that didn't quite fall out) or were just in a rage about the machine taking their money. Either way, Darwin in action.
Up next - diet mandates for all schools
As an aside, have you seen Michelle Obama lately? She's looking rather chunky these days. I don't think she can be the point-person on this particular initiative anymore.
You forget lefties are immune from hypocrisy.
She will slim down to 'fighting weight' for her 2024 date with destiny.
You didn't give the rates of obesity, or extreme obesity in the general population.
Without that, it's impossible to know if obesity is a risk factor, or preventative, or how much of an effect it has.
20ish percent on the former; nationwide about a third of obese children have severe obesity. Nice try, fatty.
I learned in college it's BODY-SHAMING to discuss obesity as a health problem. In fact, larger bodies are just as healthy as smaller ones.
Furthermore, since Black women have higher obesity rates than most other demographics, criticizing obesity is also racist and misogynist.
#ILoveScience
Your professor must have been blubbering on about this.
Fat, salty tears...
And much whaling.
As long as they aren't doing scrimshaw, it shouldn't be a problem.
What? Humpback? I would never tease anyone who had kyphosis.
Exercise and a healthy diet are covert body-shaming activities. #rebelwilson #microaggression
A thin body is white privilege!
PoC have a thigh gap gap?
The fat ones definitely do.
Every day is Thanksgiving with string jeans and wrapped hams.
Dude, that’s heavy.
https://notthebee.com/article/wow-the-biden-administration-is-finally-openly-acknowledging-an-absolutely-critical-flaw-with-covid-hospitalization-data
Man after screaming incorrect facts at the top of their lungs they come to the set of facts that rational people learned after about 5 minutes.
Some of the best doozies the "experts" are slowly coming around on:
- Death rates are inflated due to "with" rather than "of" COVID
- Tracking and freaking out over "cases" rather than "deaths" is retarded and irrationally driving fear
- Masks do little if anything, especially when 99% wear a loose fitting, barely covering bandana
Coming Soon: actually those young men that are healthy that had a <<0.1% chance of dying from COVID probably shouldnt have risked the side effect from the jab when COVID was a non-threat to them.
You pieces of trash eating up the shit coming from these Top Men and carrying their water better come back and own up when everything they put out is found to be bullshit
- the virus almost certainly came from the coronavirus lab in Wuhan, the one specifically studying bats that have coronavirus and were experimenting with increasing human transmission and infectiousness of said viruses.
- the wet market ridiculousness is more of a conspiracy theory than anything
- GOF research might be a bad and dangerous idea
- the wet market ridiculousness is more of a conspiracy theory than anything
I disagree, its seems to be more of a cover-up than anything. Fauci didn't want his illegal funding of Eco Health research discovered and the Chinese had their own obvious reasons to comply with the lie.
Spot on. Easier to blame those filthy Chinese peasants and their dirty practices than to confess there might be problems with our Top Men Scientists.
It is definitely a cover up first and foremost, but the people that believe in it sound like conspiracy theorists when they say it out loud. A multi-step, unlikely, crank theory involving a bat flying from Laos, multiple animal species, and a hell of a lot of random chance and uncertainty. My point is that it is certainly more of a conspiracy theory than the lab leak theory which should sound to any rational person like Occam's razor
Yes yes yes of course. When the outbreak first started, Fauci panicked, realized that he was in trouble, and called all of his scientist friends to engage in a massive conspiracy to try to fool the world into believing that it came from a wet market, all to protect Fauci's ass. These scientists complied because they were all Democratic Party operatives who blindly do the bidding of the Deep State Health Establishment, and unconcerned that their own reputations would be sullied by participating in this massive coverup once the truth eventually emerged.
You know, if your hypothesis relies on everyone acting like they are in the plot of a Tom Clancy novel, the hypothesis is probably false.
Not all of them. Many hebtried to shut down such as those who signed the Barrington Declaration and like you are doing with Dr. Malone. And he funded attacks on all investigations into shutting down the lab leak information.
It is amazing how ignorant you are.
"called all of his scientist friends to engage in a massive conspiracy to try to fool the world into believing that it came from a wet market, all to protect Fauci's ass"
All of them? Not really. Plenty tried to say there was lots of evidence mounting that lab leak was much more likely. But they got their posts taken down as misinformation and laughed at as conspiracy theorists, also werent allowed to appear on MSM networks.
Oh ya, and by the way the FOIA emails and papers that have come out essentially piece together the lab leak theory including:
GOF being greenlit by the US through Fauci
GOF research involving enhancing transmissibility of SARS coronaviruses from bats to humans
The mysterious bat that "flew from Laos to Wuhan" was actually transported there, purposefully, for research.
Sorry your bubble didn't allow you to see any of these "conspiracies", but this is now public info
And you got this from Joe Rogan? LOL
I am not talking about gain-of-function research. I am talking about why, in the initial stages of the pandemic, people thought the virus occurred naturally. It is because that was the most reasonable conclusion from the best available evidence at the time, and it wasn't just being put forth by Fauci, it was being put forth by experts all over the place. It wasn't some cover-up to save Fauci's ass.
This wasnt from Rogan though he probably talked about the FOIA emails at some point, but I didnt catch it.
I did hear it from multiple sources such as the Hill and then when they talked about it, I read it myself, because I actually read primary sources.
"the most reasonable conclusion from the best available evidence at the time" LOL. Seriously the reason that Jon Stewart clip making Colbert look like a little bitch went so viral is exactly this sentiment. If you think it was the most reasonable conclusion its because the top men told you to put your head in the sand like a good commie.
I think he may be getting Josh Rogin and Joe Rogan confused. To be fair, Josh was on Joe's show once so the Washington Post is now a misinformation outlet.
I have no idea what video clip you are talking about. I'm evidently not the social media junkie that you are.
This is the best available evidence that I am talking about:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.pdf
He got it from the FOIA release of emails you leftist dumbfuck.
Cognitive dissonance, not just a river in Egypt, folks.
Jeffy pretended he didn’t even know who Joe Rogan was a couple months ago. Now he’s an expert on his credibility.
Just got done listening to the rogan mccoulugh interview. Dude cites study after study. But jeff just knows he is wrong because leftist Twitter tells him he is.
"I am talking about why, in the initial stages of the pandemic, people thought the virus occurred naturally. It is because that was the most reasonable conclusion from the best available evidence at the time, and it wasn't just being put forth by Fauci, it was being put forth by experts all over the place. It wasn't some cover-up to save Fauci's ass."
This is some serious gaslighting. Lots of serious people thought the virus was either manufactured or leaked from a lab. The notion that the virus spread from eating bats or wet markets was dismissed fairly early. No naturally occurring virus had infected the entire world the way Covid did. Some Ebola or swine outbreak that occurred in Asia or Africa generally remained local.
WHO just regurgitated China's official statement and initially repeated their now lie that person to person transmission was low. There are youtube clips of WHO officials shutting down zoom interviews that dared to question China's involvement. How you expected anyone to judge "best available" evidence in such untransparent situation is beyond me.
Lots of serious people thought the virus was either manufactured or leaked from a lab.
Sorry, but I don't consider Tom Cotton to be a "serious person" when it comes to virology.
And this is the best available evidence that I am referring to:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9.pdf
Were all of these people on the Fauci payroll in order to protect his ass?
And you got this from Joe Rogan? LOL
Is this your go-to deflection now, you fat useless sack of shit?
You know, if your hypothesis relies on government agents acting benevolently without concern for themselves, their agencies and their budgets, the hypothesis is probably false.
Sorry I know too many people in government to understand that the majority would go along with this, without any act or thought of malevolence. They simply are towing the agency line, for their own well being and the mistaken belief that their agency is the only thing that stands between us and chaos.
- natural immunity is actually just fine for defending against COVID, as it always fucking has been
- getting an unnecessary shot when you already had COVID and are young/healthy is fucking retarded
But inflating authoritarian state power, and cultivating a fearful and compliant population, priceless.
"Wearing a seatbelt when I always drive safely is fucking retarded."
Yes. Let your authoritarian beliefs be rationalized anyway you can.
Jeff that's not even similar, do you wear a helmet when you drive?
When I drive a motorcycle, yes.
A vaccination is like a seat belt in that it is a preventative measure to reduce your own risk of a severely bad outcome when in situations that are not entirely under your control. No matter how safely you drive, you cannot control all of the other drivers on the road. No matter how cautious you are in public with regards to coronavirus, you cannot control all of the other individuals in public, some of whom might sneeze directly in your face and give you a big whiff of virus. It is not "fucking retarded" to reduce one's risk of adverse events by taking simple low-risk steps.
Should I cancel my homeowner's insurance because "I am always safe in my house"? Maybe spending the money on homeowner's insurance is "fucking retarded"?
Citation of jeff on motorcycle.
https://suggestive.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/fat-twins-on-motorcycles.jpg
Lmao.
When I got my polio vaccine, I didn't leave the house for months because I was terrified of the unvaccinated.
[Golf clap]
Seat belts are a safety measure implemented in a designated area where people behave in a certain way. Pedestrians do not have to wear helmets and knee pads when they cross the road on the off chance that a car might run into them. They might opt for life insurance, but that's not a requirement.
Do you think the government should force you to purchase insurance? If you get uninsured and get sick because you didn't get tested, the hospital gets crowded and the premiums go up on everyone else, right? You're just parroting the same "seat belt" rationale used by ACA fans.
If a spread of virus or disease resulting from human beings breathing and touching each other is the exact equivalent of a automobile accident, then any pandemic response can be like wearing seat belt. Australia dragging unvaccinated people to covid camps would be like wearing a seat belt. Mandating vaccine passes for grocery stores would be like wearing a seat belt. Donald Trump deporting all unvaccinated illegals would be kosher.
A "radical individualist" would logically oppose vaccine mandates. I'm not a "radical individualist", so I'm not a fan of millions of foreign nationals crossing our borders just because they felt like it. But that's YOU, right? Why does a "radical individualist" insist that a healthy 24 year old must be vaccinated, when science has shown that they're generally safe from the recent strains? You're individualist when it comes to immigration, but defers to the collective and security when it comes to the virus?
Jeffy is so radically individualist that he went all the way back around to raging fascist authoritarian.
Sorry swing and a miss. The correct analogy would be "wearing a second magic seatbelt when studies show the standard seatbelt youve been using for years works just fine."
Try and keep up man.
But the "standard seatbelt" in this case doesn't work just fine, if you are referring to antibodies from natural infection. They don't work as well against strains that didn't infect you, like the new omicron strain.
Why are you so dead-set against the vaccine? It's not really about the supposed "riskiness" of the vaccine, is it?
For those under 60 the risk of death due to covid is the same as driving to work daily with a standard seat belt you ignorant shit.
Please ask for a refund from your community College.
"But the "standard seatbelt" in this case doesn't work just fine, if you are referring to antibodies from natural infection. They don't work as well against strains that didn't infect you, like the new omicron strain."
It absolutely does, and there is mounting evidence that the vaccine induces lots of short lived antibodies in the 1-2 month time frame compared to the much longer response from natural immunity (even though the antibodies dont spike as high). Not only that, but I dont need it to do anything for Omicron (even though it does give some protection). Omicron is so mild its a non issue. Hence why deaths and hospitalizations havent budged.
"Why are you so dead-set against the vaccine? It's not really about the supposed "riskiness" of the vaccine, is it?"
Its a simple risk/benefit. My example was a healthy young person that had COVID. The CDC says absolutely yes, still get the vaccine. The actual risk/benefit calculation absolutely argues against that. There is an infinitesimally small risk to the person I mentioned from COVID, especially with protection from natural immunity, while the vaccine does have potential side effects. Even if they are rare, there is almost nothing to gain for this person, with some risk.
It is honestly asinine to argue for further vaccination in this person, and it shows your interest is in following the top men off a cliff as long as thats what they told you to do, rather than taking a second to think as an individual.
And as Dr Malone mentions it also reduces the cell generation for protection of other viruses and infections. So mass vaccination to those with near zero risk can actually harm them in defense of other illness.
It was known on launch that the shots caused more harm than good, but they already were paid for.
It absolutely does
That is not true, and it just proves that you are not "thinking for yourself", just repeating what Joe Rogan or Dr. Malone told you.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/12/17/how-omicron-evades-natural-immunity-vaccination-and-monoclonal-antibody-treatments/?sh=621cb81c60e0
"Current data suggests that those who have been previously infected have little to no protection against Omicron infection."
The actual risk/benefit calculation absolutely argues against that.
And you know this because Joe Rogan told you so? LOL
Here's what is going on. You hate Democrats, you hate the media, you hate authority structures in all their forms. So you go running for sources of information that claim to "tell you the REAL truth" but in reality are just slanting the news in a different way. You are less skeptical of these information sources because they are much more agreeable to you. Why, a guy who objects to masks just as much as you do? How could he be wrong??? So once he's sucked you in, he can present whatever bullshit he wants and you will gobble it up, because he has earned your trust with his "truth-telling". Of course he knows his audience so he can't just flatly declare "trust me", he has to bring in cherry-picked experts who support the whole theme of his show of "telling the truth". He has to make you believe that you discovered the truth for yourself even as he spoon-feeds it to you. That is what these grifters do.
top symptoms for Omicron:
1. Runny nose
2. Headache
3. Fatigue
4. Sneezing
5. Sore throat
top symptoms for TDS
1. Squawking
2. Pointing
3. Sputtering
4. Referencing WaPo
5. Using “boaff sydez” when discussing Biden
You forgot over eating chumby.
I see you haven't actually argued against a single argument made by Dr Malone yet.
And omicron also avoids immunity from vaccines and so far has the lethality rates of the common cold.
Is Joe Rogan your new "Uncle Fester"? Its about your only response you can come up with.
"See that on ROGAN?! LOL!"
Did yours come from Fauci?! Or CNN/MSNBC/NYT?! Because those sources have been both inadvertently and purposefully incorrect on different occasions.
Not only do I have tons of access to medical journals (I read direct from the source, not a magazine article most of the time), I work in a hospital and treat patients. Omicron has been the biggest nothingburger, in all groups. Vaxx, unvax +/- prior infection, it has been extremely mild. Half my group got it already too (we are all vaxxed, half boosted). Nothing but mild colds and asymptomatics. Same with what we are seeing (really not seeing) in the ICU. Minimal severe infections in all the above groups. The ones getting it bad at all are the ones you would assume: obese + old + sick. Those are the people I tell to get a vax if they want one, because those are the group with the most to gain from it relative to risk.
Its funny you would pick Omicron and my example of a young healthy person with natural immunity as the case to argue for. Its absolutely the most obvious person that WOULDNT need a vax. You arguing this specific case shows you have almost no understanding of what is going on currently.
And of it follows the pattern of SARS1 then it does protect from serious types of covid.
Huh, what a coincidence, I have access to medical journals as well. Why don't you give me the citation of the journal article that you think makes the best case for the cost/benefit analysis that you cited above, that it does not favor vaccination of young adults. Then we can have a discussion based on the facts and data in the article. Sound good?
99.5% of people who got infected survived just fine. Even among the most at-risk (obese people over 65) 92.5% survived just fine.
A very small fraction of the infected survivors did require hospitalization and a small fraction of those required extreme measures like ICU ventilation, but on the other hand something like 1/3 to 1/2 of all infected people were asymptomatic and another large percentage had only mild symptoms.
The human immune system is a wonderful and complex thing, and it *is* the standard seatbelt.
"Watch while I employ this dumb analogy for the 100th fucking time."
You're right, we should all get our epidemiological and virology advice from Joe Rogan and that one guy on his podcast. They are the trusted experts that we should believe.
Dr Malone is now just one guy. And Joe has had multiple scientists and doctors on his podcast dumbass.
Instead let's listen to Fauci who in one weeks time changed guidance 2 different times based on political push back.
"You're right, we should all get our epidemiological and virology advice from Joe Rogan"
I dont think that, despite him being open about the conversation, consistent on his positions, and wrong less than one Anthony Fauci. Imagine trusting someone who has been both accidentally, and also intentionally wrong about public health policy, so much.
So where should we get our epidemiology and virology advice then? "Think for ourselves"? So everyone should become an expert in epidemiology and virology in order to decide what to do?
Also what about Dr. McCoulugh, and every scientist on the Barrington Declaration. I could list you dozens of well cited well published scientists, most with much better credentials than anyone at the CDC.
Instead we should blindly take the word of some government hack who has admittedly lied to the public on several occasions?
When you lost the folks at Slate.com...https://slate.com/technology/2021/07/noble-lies-covid-fauci-cdc-masks.html
When experts or agencies deliver information to the public that they consider possibly or definitively false to further a larger, often well-meaning agenda, they are telling what is called a noble lie. Although the teller’s intentions may be pure—for example, a feeling of urgency that behavioral change is needed among the lay public—the consequences can undermine not only those intentions but also public trust in experts and science. During the first year of COVID-19, leaders were faced with an unknown disease amid a politically sensitive election in the era of social media, and the preconditions for noble lies became especially fertile. Not surprisingly, we witnessed several examples. More than anything, these examples illustrate the destructive potential of such lies.
Noble lies—small untruths—yield unpredictable outcomes. Nietzsche once wrote, “Not that you lied to me, but that I no longer believe you, has shaken me.” Public health messaging is predicated on trust, which overcomes the enormous complexity of the scientific literature, creating an opportunity to communicate initiatives effectively. Still, violation of this trust renders the communication unreliable. When trust is shattered, messaging is no longer clear and straightforward, and instead results in the audience trying to reverse-engineer the statement based on their view of the speaker’s intent. Simply put, noble lies can rob confidence from the public, leading to confusion, a loss of credibility, conspiracy theories, and obfuscated policy.
And The Atlantic is leading the panic, wondering how the NFL and the NBA can be backing off on COVID restrictions and vaccine mandates, when exactly zero NFL and NBA players have had serious health issues from COVID-19:
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/nba-nfl-surrendered-vaccine-refusers-kyrie-irving/621142/?utm_source=pocket-newtab
The Atlantic definitely does seem that way this one is from Jemele Hill - not biased at all..
Do we even have to treat these people? I have been reassured by our local militant lefties that those who have not taken personal responsibility to protect themselves from COVID should have treatment withheld.
Well, obesity remains to be one of the single largest factors in dying of COVID and it is absolutely self induced with a 100% free treatment. So sorry you fat fucks, Jfree, chemtard, and Tony dont want you getting any treatment, since you have put yourself at undue risk
I have been reassured by our local militant lefties that those who have not taken personal responsibility to protect themselves from COVID should have treatment withheld.
But this doesn't count because HEALTHY AT ANY SIZE!
Lefties will also say that being fat isn’t unhealthy.
Sources and estimates vary, but are in the same ballpark...
"Estimates of the medical cost of adult obesity in the United States (U.S.) range from $147 billion to nearly $210 billion per year. The majority of the spending is generated from treating obesity-related diseases such as diabetes and cardiovascular disease, among others.
"The estimated annual health care costs of obesity-related illness are a staggering $190.2 billion or nearly 21% of annual medical spending in the United States.
"After a dramatic increase in prevalence over several decades, obesity has become a major public health crisis in the United States. Research to date has consistently demonstrated a correlation between obesity and higher medical costs for a variety of U.S. subpopulations and specific categories of care. However, by examining associations rather than causal effects, previous studies likely underestimated the effect of obesity on medical expenditures...Adults with obesity in the United States compared with those with normal weight experienced higher annual medical care costs by $2,505 or 100%, with costs increasing significantly with class of obesity, from 68.4% for class 1 to 233.6% for class 3. The effects of obesity raised costs in every category of care: inpatient, outpatient, and prescription drugs. Increases in medical expenditures due to obesity were higher for adults covered by public health insurance programs ($2,868) than for those having private health insurance ($2,058). In 2016, the aggregate medical cost due to obesity among adults in the United States was $260.6 billion.
What? Moral decisions about what people deserve help have nothing to do with consistent logic and individual character (unless they violate ideological doctrine).
Otherwise, we might have to withhold social welfare benefits from people who made stupid life decisions.
One would hope this might be a wakeup call for the obese but I sadly don't think it will be.
Unfortunately between equity, affirmative action, "body positivity", and the desire for drive-thru abortions, the left has pushed (purposefully) for a culture with absolutely no personal responsibility, and this is the result.
No coincidence that recently there is a big push to blame systemic racism for obesity in minorities. When you tell everyone nothing is their fault, they are victims, its because sexism/racism/gender-phobias etc, you are setting people up to be weak, ineffective eternal victims (with lower outcomes in every way, I should add). Conveniently, these people will be happy to be dependent on an authoritarian ruling class that occasionally cuts them a sweet govt check so they can watch netflix and eat cheetos on their couch. Fat, stupid, slovenly useless population...that they can count on to keep voting them into power in exchange for a promise that big daddy govt will take care of all that hard stuff for them.
All of the victim status problems arent a bug, they are a feature of left wing politics. The "fat is sexy" and "fat is healthy" trends from the left are absolutely are a problem and contributing to people thinking this stuff is not only OK, but actually good. God forbid someone "fat shames" one of these poor victims.
'...as ....omicron variant threatens to force public health officials to re-implement stringent mitigation measures...' FORCE?! Spoken like a true libertarian - i.e. someone who is totally misinformed about what is actually taking place.
This isn't even a matter of libertarian thinking, it's simple dishonesty. This variant isn't 'forcing' public health officials to do anything. They are choosing to make recommendations for unnecessary stringent 'mitigation' efforts because it is their nature, not because the evidence or scientific method suggests it. It certainly has nothing to do with civil liberties, except a continuation of the tendency to violate them, and then bang on about how anybody that disagrees is antiscience, or antivaccine, or a white supremacist, or a fringe conspiracy theorist, or a trump supporting insurrectionist, or a literal nazi. Or some combination of any or all.
The virus has caused widespread anxiety and increased suicide! Darned virus!
This weighs heavily on jeff.
some of his comments really take the cake
His diet plans went belly up.
Quit piling on!
Maybe he doesn’t understand the gravity of his situation.
I'm going to eat up all this news and get back to you. Maybe spend a few extra calories going through the data.
Jeff is a fat fuck
Winner. Lol.
On this take few seem to waffle.
You don't think he may be hamming it up?
He's just a glutton for punishment.
Yeah real funny guys, did you hear that from Joe Rogan?
Yeah real funny guys, did you hear that from Joe Rogan?
Joe's not going to fuck you, fat boy.
Great!
Now, whatever you do, don't share this on Twitter.
Or Facebook.
I think it would qualify as misinformation, dangerous material, and probably hate-speech under the new Twatter exec
Twixter. StuffFaceBook.
Although the key goal of the continuously extended Democrat lockdowns in 2020 was to blame Trump for destroying the economy (and bungling the pandemic response) to remove him from office, the Democrats actions sharply increased obesity (which was already at 46% of Americans), depression, drug overdoses and suicides.
Meanwhile, left wing BLM/Antifa/Democrat protests/riots, false accusations of GOP racism and calls for defunding the police significantly increased violent crime rates in large cities controlled by left wing Democrats.
And yet, due to daily lies and demonization of Trump and the GOP by left wing media propagandists, and its partisan censorship of Trump, his supporters, and those who told the truth about covid in 2020, Biden somehow won/stole the election.
Tony Fauci, CDC Director Rachel Wolinsky, US SG Vivek Murthy, OSHA Director Scott Ketcham and directors of all State and Local Health Departments who increased the obesity pandemic's hospitalization and death rates (which they falsely claimed were caused by covid) and who intentionally scared the public about covid, and advocated/imposed unscientific totalitarian lockdowns, mask mandates and/or vaccine mandates should ALL be fired, indicted, prosecuted and held fully accountable for conspiring to commit public health malpractice.
The key goal was to make it easier for everyone to vote from home, whether they wanted to or not.
Whether they knew they voted or not - - - - - - - -
During the past two years, I've lost 25 pounds by riding bike and/or hiking several hours per day several days per week, by eliminating virtually all processed junk food from my diet, and by defying PA Gov Tom Wolf's unscientific, totalitarian and abusive lockdowns and mask mandates.
Stop doing your own risk management. Get jabbed as the science requires.
2020 was actually a great opportunity for losing weight. Much less time spent in my vehicle meant more time I could spend exercising, and fewer people were out in the parks anyway so it was less miserable to get out and walk.
Unfortunately I did put some of it back on in 2021, which is why I'm having to kick myself back into shape at the start of this year.
I didn't take a single day off work due to what I do and where I work. I actually had to carry over PTO both years due to the need. Not medical industry. But the people who did WFH actually caused more work to be done by those still working at the office while crying for the business to pay for their internet at home.
Hey, at least fat people are sequestering more carbon. If we all got fat, we could stop global warming. Eat that, Greta!
Carbonara?
I've done my part in sequestering plenty of carbonara.
"Human carbon sinks"! Yes, this! Eat MORE, to prevent global warming!
(Maybe we could also invent a mobile, in-car liposuction machines, with the hoovered-out fat powering or partially powering the car? Fat people could more easily hitch rides! "Gas, grass, or ass; nobody rides for free" would take on an entirely new meaning!)
Ahh. Reason was given the okay to pivot by the journalist bubble.
CNN
@CNN
People who are overweight or obese are at a much higher risk of much more severe disease and even death from Covid-19 -- and one new study suggests that losing weight can reduce that risk.
"and one new study suggests that losing weight can reduce that risk."
Hmm thats a funny way to word "what everyone has fucking known forever based on the vast agreement of medical data for almost every condition, especially fucking respiratory illnesses"
We've been making fun of jeff for not losing weight to lower his risk since March 2019.
Fat drunk and stupid is no way tk go through life... Sarc hardest hit
Yeah, amazing how underlying conditions, weight, and seasonality are now being discussed, after it became apparent that the vaccines didn't prevent infection and transmission.
Crazy that "those crazy right wingers" and "my uncle fester" have been harping on all the above for 2 years and just now the left is coming on to these ideas as if they are completely new and didnt call the right a bunch of conspiracy cranks for thinking outside of the accepted SciEnce!(TM)
If any public health advocate or Republican recommended or imposed a vaccine or mask mandate only on obese people (scales could be placed at entrances of employers and businesses), left wing media propagandists and Democrat politicians would immediately denounce the policy (and those who advocate or impose it) as discrimination against the obese and "fat shaming".
From the study: "What are the implications for public health practice?
COVID-19 vaccination and other prevention strategies are important to protect children from COVID-19, particularly children with obesity and other underlying health conditions."
Notice 'vaccination and other prevention strategies .. '
Not 'lose weight as fast as possible.' Children are not 'with obesity' - they are currently obese. That can change. Of course, they'd rather keep kids fat and let them die.
You’re suggesting there is a slim chance the CDC will promote Chunky Brewster to lose weight?
What exactly do you want the CDC to do? They have been urging everyone, including kids, to lose weight. They've been sounding the alarm about the obesity epidemic for years and years now.
Here's an example of the government doing something about the obesity epidemic. Predictably the usual right-wing suspects denounced it as the nanny-state run amok.
https://reason.com/2010/12/14/obamas-obesity-war/
So the government is both not doing enough, and doing too much, to combat obesity?
From day 0 the official message should have been: "run, jog, bike, get some vitamin D naturally or synthetically, eat vegetables, take vitamins (especially C, D, and zinc) get in shape and not obese; The above are hands down the best thing you can do to ensure a good outcome from COVID."
Instead that was almost never mentioned and the message was "stay at home in fear, only protest for social justice, otherwise lockdown".
Well except for on Rogan, who has been consistent on saying it from day 0. Maybe you should listen to him, being that his advice was absolutely correct far more than your precious Fauci.
But fat totalitarians like Jeff did not want to waist this opportunity for control.
Yes yes, "fat totalitarians" who object to government vaccine mandates and government mask mandates. Whatevs
Yet you attack every single scientist who goes against the narrative abd spent months threatening people that if they didn't mask up government would force them to.
You ever lying shit.
Will say that fat Jeff never jumps to conclusions. This is due to him being too fat to jump.
Waddles to conclusions.
The government has been imploring everyone to exercise and eat well for YEARS. What more do you want them to do? If they do anything beyond just give advice, you will denounce them for overreaching nanny-state-ism.
You are trying to have it both ways: blame the government for not doing enough to curb obesity, and blame the government for doing too much when it does attempt something other than mere nagging.
Why didn't you listen then?
It was almost never part of the conversation, at all, from Fauci, the CDC, or your beloved top men; I saw the briefings every day. Despite it being the best advice at the time in terms of what you can do. They didnt have to mandate anything, but it should have been shouted daily from his little briefings as a "do this and you will be better off". You know, being that we knew it would massively improve morbidity and mortality. The things the CDC is supposed to be pushing.
When they shouted "wear a mask" you took that to mean impermissible tyranny. Why would I believe that if they had shouted "take Vitamin D" you wouldn't have reacted the same way?
And besides it is just not true that CDC hasn't been trying to get people to lose weight for years and years and years.
When they shouted wear a mask they ignored 100 years of studies and replaced it with lab tests and models instead of real world study. Post data shows masks had zero effect. In fact this month multiple cdc officials have said cloth masks were useless and are recommending only n95 masks.
That is one of the points they've now admitted was wrong lol.
And being that the vast majority of masks in public are home made or cloth masks, only a truly small percentage are in compliance with that. Id bet from seeing this daily that 1-5% of people are wearing N95s
And kids won't wear n95 correctly. They don't wear lighter masks correctly. Neither do the teachers or basically everyone.
Thats why real world data and usage takes priority over lab settings.
I am not sure kids can wear n-95 masks correctly. N-95s are supposed to be fit tested.
"When they shouted "wear a mask" you took that to mean impermissible tyranny. "
No when some said "we want to force masks on you or else you have to stay home" or cite/fine people, I associated that with tyranny. When some said "you should wear a mask" I disagreed and moved on. Mandates are tyranny. Suggestions are not.
"And besides it is just not true that CDC hasn't been trying to get people to lose weight for years and years and years."
This is not the same, its a disingenuous argument and you know it. They always said hand washing was important historically, but decided to reiterate that daily (with their little "do happy birthday twice for a full wash!"). Why not do the same with getting in great physical shape with exercise and vitamins (it was not mentioned daily, and it was barely mentioned at all)? When they know it would absolutely improve morbidity/mortality?
Mandates are tyranny. Suggestions are not.
Tell that to all the people around here who condemned even SUGGESTIONS to wear a mask as "submission to tyranny" and should be resisted.
And I think you miss the point of these briefings. Washing hands and wearing masks are steps people can take to help prevent the spread of the virus right away. Losing weight and getting in shape are long-term changes that won't help right away. So if you want to let people know what they can do right now to help control the spread, losing weight isn't it. It's wearing masks and washing hands.
Besides, if Fauci et al. had stressed getting in shape, I no doubt believe it would have been politicized just as much as masks were, and you would have Team Red whining that Fauci was fat-shaming them.
A suggestion isn't a suggestion when it's not a choice just an appearance of choice then applied with force
"Besides, if Fauci et al. had stressed getting in shape, I no doubt believe it would have been politicized just as much as masks were, and you would have Team Red whining that Fauci was fat-shaming them."
So your argument is 100% based on a theoretical depiction of your opponent, that you made, in your own head. I mean in fairness, I guess that means I get to use my "I need to fight the left because pedos keep turning up among them, therefore lefties will keep putting pedos in power"
Tell that to all the people around here who condemned even SUGGESTIONS to wear a mask as "submission to tyranny" and should be resisted.
Jeffy likes to conflate calling him a giant pussy after he absolutely insisted that not wearing an ineffective mask is a violation of the NAP with resistance. He can't stand the idea that his risk is not others' responsibility. He caterwauled that we were keeping fatties like him in prison by breathing air outside.
I don't have the patience to quote him. Many regulars can confirm he argued it for months leading up to the election.
Jeff to be fair one is an edict the other is a suggestion
I worked through the AID's epidemic as a surgeon. Had to operate those people. Never refused them. I was familiar with Fauci from that period. He came under attack then too, for not allowing supplements to treat AIDs. Gradually he relented somewhat.
If there is anything that could be done to treat obesity, nothing is more effective than a vegan diet and walking 2-3 miles/day.
No answer is perfect. But that is the closest I have ever seen to work. I say this as a former fat person. I think that is the message that should have been sent, then as now.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Retired surgeon
If you’re so smart, why don’t you go on the Joe Rogan show?
If you're so fat, why don't you put down the pizza and go on a diet?
"The government has been imploring everyone to exercise and eat well for YEARS. What more do you want them to do?"
Do you think that the government closing down gyms, schools, hiking trails, and discouraging outside activity had something to do with weight gains during the pandemic? You think streaming netflix all day and ordering food on grub hub had some negative consequences?
Why do you indulge in false choices so much, Jeff? Because Michelle Obama and FDA obsessed over healthy eating and school menus in 2015, the government is absolved from blame in the pandemic? No, they can't force you to exercise. But they took away options from those who wanted to remain active. They kept people locked down way longer than they ever should have. Have you not heard of the nation's steep decline in mental and physical health over the last 2 years?
What do you mean "what more can the GOVERNMENT DO"? Aren't you a libertarian? You haven't been reading Matt Welch here recently? I'm not going to tell you the answer, everyone here gets it except you. Holy cow, Mr. "radical individualist"
1000%.
Google now refers to a "Mass formation psychosis" as a right-wing buzzword.
'Sup Robby.
Is that even real?
Yes you ignorant shit. It was well documented over the weekend.
Some of us have been talking about mass psychosis for a couple years now. Before covid even.
The BLM rioting and the Jan 6 reaction were great examples.
Covid likes big butts and it can not lie.
/posted the most bizarre version I could find.
That was hilarious.
Meme of the pandemic:
https://i.imgur.com/GxNjnyW.jpg
Tony, Mike, Jeff, JFree hardest hit.
Contact now. You know jeff is also balding. That meme isn't realistic.
The scooter needs a Biden bumper sticker.
Fascinating typical demographic reversal.
https://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/prevalence-maps.html
I was a heavy teen. So I understand this issue with personal clarity. I started smoking (stupid idea) as an 18-year-old and lost 35 lbs. I looked much better and could finally attract females. It was a happy time.
Then I got into medical school and over the years managed to control my weight even though I smoked for only 3 years. A friend and fellow student "introduced" me to jogging. That helped enormously.
Eventually I became a surgeon. I became a vegan after seeing my stratospheric arterial calcium scores in my L descending coronary artery.
I am convinced that daily exercise is the key. I am not obese. I still eat primarily vegan, but "sin" with chocolate and some cookies. But I am almost 80. Still not fat.
Never caught Covid. Take myriad supplements. Because I used to be a doctor I was able to get ahold of anti-Covid medications you can no longer get.
i think it helps to provide some history from a previous fat person. I treated lots of heavy people. I was able to help some, not others.
Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
Retired surgeon
WHAT "anti-Covid medications you can no longer get," pray tell? Just for historical interest, of course (and to help figure out if you're just blowing smoke, which it sounds like).
"For context, the average age of death from Spanish flu was 28."
For further context the life expectancy just before the Spanish flu was only 50 for males and 55 for females. It's difficult to draw parallels between the Spanish flu and Covid given the average age of Covid deaths is about 80 and that demographic largely didn't exist during the Spanish flu and there have been at least a few changes in diet and healthcare.
Nobody with diabetes died during the Spanish flu epidemic from the flu. Insulin was not synthesized until 1921, so they were already dead. People also often died from their first heart attack and the only treatment for cancer was surgery. The vast majority of people it killed were otherwise healthy.
COVID is a poser.
Precisely, few parallels. I'm guessing the median BMI, as bad a yardstick as it is, was much lower 100 years ago before TV and iPads and there wasn't so much government nannyism over people's diets.
What if all deaths from C-19 were unhealthy people, but some cases were not usually identified as such? What if their immune systems were compromised, primarily by poor diet, i.e., SAD (standard American diet), but the AMA doesn't recognize it? What if public schools discourage independent thought, encourage acceptance of authoritarianism, e.g., complete reliance on state "experts"? What if any/all challenge to sanctioned practices is discredited not with facts, but the slur "conspiracy theory"?
What if you could win a debate on independently verifiable facts regarding anything having to do with covid-19? As long as we are fantasizing.
"What if any/all challenge to sanctioned practices is discredited not with facts"
Eyeroll. How well do excess death stats fit the 'hospitals are reclassifying normal unhealthy deaths' idea? Whoops. How well do controlled studies reproduce ivermectin's miracle properties? Whoops. How well do daily hospitalization stats back up claims of useless and dangerous vaccines that aren't worth taking? Whoops.
Everyone accidentally makes mistakes or seventy.
"but the slur "conspiracy theory"?"
Does your challenge happen to involve a hypothesis like "hospitals choosing not to identify real cause of death" involving improbable secret coordination of thousands of doctors, nurses, public health officials and scientists around the globe? Maybe it's ok to use non-Orwellian English and call things what they are.
ONE OF THE ONLY? WHICH is it, the only, or one-of-the?
Are 60.4% of the obese, severely obese, or were 60.4% of the whole 915 severely obese?
This article is utter gibberish for anyone seeking intelligible information.
You think you’re going to get better information from Dr. Joe Rogan’s podcast?
You think you're not going to die of a massive heart attack?
Fortunately, Soave linked to the CDC's paper. In Table 2, there were 272 patients aged 12–17. 167, or 61.4% of the total, were classified with "obesity". These 167 obese patients were further broken down: 59 with "obesity", 101 with "severe obesity", and 7 with "obesity, unknown severity".
In other words, the 59 severe-obesity patients made up 60.5% of the 167 overall-obese patients; they only made up 37.1% of the 272 total patients.
Soave's "The severe obesity rate was 60.5 percent", and his correction "...61 percent were obese, and another 61 percent of those patients had severe obesity" are both incorrect. Another correction, please, Robby?
Time to regulate the donuts.
Headline is incorrect. 61% were obese, 60% OF THOSE were severely obese, so roughly 36% of children hospitalized with COVID were severely obese.
Still noteworthy, but you're failing basic math here.
Headline is incorrect. 61% were obese, 60% OF THOSE were severely obese, so roughly 36% of children hospitalized with COVID were severely obese.
Still noteworthy, but you're failing basic math here.
Does it really matter? The bottom line is that they were fucking fat, as most of Corona-chan's victims have been.
The story of COVID-19 isn't a bunch of people who won't take a specific shot in response to it, it's the nation's obesity epidemic that already kills over 600,000-750,000 people every year and made those who caught COVID more susceptible to dying from a virus that targets your lungs.
clearly, the solution is to close schools and playgrounds and force more screen time while pretending it's all ok because you can do more baking at home.
What’s missing here is the % of well kids that are obese for comparison.
Marked as one of my favorite headlines so far in 2022. But you cant call little Johnny or Suzy obese because that will be body shaming them. Heaven forbid if parents take responsibility for their children and start feeding them right and make sure they put the phones down and go be active.
Dr. Robert Malone
Should we also listen to the experts, also with impeccable credentials, who disagree with Dr. Robert Malone?
Why are you cherry-picking the one expert who just so happens to be saying exactly what right-wingers want to hear, to the exclusion of all of the others? It is almost as if you are first forming your conclusion and then constructing the rationalizations, complete with "expert advice", to justify it.
Well you can't google them. Google has been biasing their results. Use duckduckgo
Here is an article about the history of mRNA technology.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w
Based on reading it, I don't think it is unreasonable to believe that Dr. Malone may be more than a little bit bitter based on how he was treated, and that his behavior may be based at least partially on this resentment. He did help to develop the mRNA technology that is used in the vaccines but he didn't get any intellectual property rights from it. Perhaps this is his 'revenge tour'.
Regardless, Dr. Malone's voice is just one of many. Sure let's listen to what he has to say, but there are also lots of voices that disagree with what he has to say. Shouldn't we listen to those too?
Your ignorance is shown above. You trust government science only, as based on your initial post, and ignore all others. This despite for a terrible track record of the cdc scientists who have been proven to work from a political angle such as this week or collusion woth the NEA.
Youre such an ignorant statist.
What did Dr. Malone say that you disagreed with? I would bet 1000 yo 1 odds you didnt listen, you just know leftists said he was a look despite his credentials.
Ahh. So an ad hominem attack so you don't have to listen to his well researched and cited opinions.
Lol. And choosing nature as the vehicle for the ad hom attack is precious.
“Dr. Malone may be”
“his behavior may be based at least partially”
“Perhaps this is his 'revenge tour'.”
What a brutal refutation Jeffy.
Your story has nothing to do with the "lab leak theory". It is about the Great Barrington Declaration.
The lab leak theory was FOIAD earlier dipshit. See the discussions around EcoHealth alliance you sealioning dumbass.