CNN's Leana Wen: 'Cloth Masks Are Little More Than Facial Decorations'
Maybe we don't need to wear them?

It is difficult to keep up with the ever-mutating scientific consensus on masks. In the early days of the pandemic, White House COVID-19 adviser Anthony Fauci told the public not to bother with them before abruptly adopting a wear-a-mask-any-mask stance. After vaccines became widely available last winter and spring, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) said the vaccinated no longer needed to wear them, and then reversed course after determining that the delta variant was much more contagious than the original strain. And the CDC's support for mask mandates in schools rests upon a study that has now been substantially debunked.
Enter Leana Wen, a medical analyst for CNN and former president of Planned Parenthood. Wen is one of cable news' most vigorous supporters of coercive COVID-19 measures: She previously suggested that the government should prohibit unvaccinated people from traveling (and, perhaps, from leaving their homes at all). During a CNN appearance on Monday, Wen made the provocative statement that the commonly used cloth masks are essentially useless at preventing the spread of the omicron variant.
"Don't wear a cloth mask," she said. "Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of omicron."
.@DrLeanaWen: "Don't wear a cloth mask. Cloth masks are little more than facial decorations. There's no place for them in light of Omicron." pic.twitter.com/Kpoj18sxdi
— Townhall.com (@townhallcom) December 21, 2021
Huh? As Townhall's Spencer Brown points out, Wen's view of the science contradicts the guidance from the White House and the CDC, which holds that cloth masks are good enough. In fact, the CDC has specifically instructed people not to wear N95 masks.
Wen is a supporter of mandates, so perhaps she thinks the higher quality masks should be required in some settings. Yet if she's right, it means the masks that the overwhelming majority of people are wearing in order to comply with mandates—in public schools, on public transportation, in many workplaces, gyms, and even social settings—aren't doing any good. They represent another element of pandemic hygiene theater: a public health requirement that makes people feel safer without offering them much actual protection.
Against the initial strain, some studies found that mask wearing helped to decrease the spread of COVID-19; others were more mixed. Delta and omicron, of course, are significantly more infectious, and thus Wen's contention that the commonly-used masks aren't doing very much is probably correct. This should be an argument for getting rid of all mask mandates, not making the mandates stricter. The government checking the quality of people's masks would be an absurd overreach; the mandate is already difficult to enforce, as people constantly (and understandably) pull their masks beneath their noses in order to make it easier to breathe.
It would be better for the public health bureaucracy to admit that we cannot mask our way out of the pandemic. At this point, COVID-19 is too contagious to be effectively constrained by the tools at the government's disposal. It would take transforming into a China-style totalitarian state: This is a path the U.S. government is constitutionally, morally, and practically prevented from taking.
It's time to end mask mandates in schools, on airplanes, and in other settings where they are required. Rational policy makers should conclude that these mandates' failure weakens their legitimacy.
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It's not about protecting from the virus. It's a way of identifying anti-party wreckers who need to be destroyed.
+1 Cultural Revolution
Yup and while people here are fighting each other, no one is paying attention to the fact that that woman is Chinese and is spewing forth CCP ideology. We've being conquered from within by foreigners who bring their countries mind think as proof they have no appreciation for our Republic
you are a sick pup, dude. this dr. may be off her rocker - but it's not because she's of chinese ancestry. and oh, BTW, she's just as american as you are - maybe more american, i don't know.
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One would think that being in America, she would understand that we are not a communist nation and will fight back against our government. She's not used to that.
If we could all only get $.10 for every comment on the internet that starts with "it's not about the virus" and ends with some empty/vapid conspiracy theory about "control" and "destroying" people.
If we could all only get $.10 for every comment
Last week it was a nickel, the Dems inflation is everywhere now.
So. Freaking. Pumped. For. This. Inflation.
I didn't have the change to make the $0.50 for all my "not about the virus/conspiracy theory" comments and gave you $20 right before Joe announced his mask mandate. You must've just forgotten that I gave it to you. Just pay back the $19.50 you owe me and we'll call it square. Actually, I'll probably make a few more so it's fine if you just pay up $19.
If jeans dont prevent farts from smelling, why would cloth masks prevent viruses from virusing
Farts leak out the bottom of the legs. That's why women wear skinny leg jeans -- to contain the farts.
Girls fart?
I like to pretend they don't do that.
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we need to know this sort of stuff.
So it’s ‘cuz of bell bottoms that hippie chicks smell bad?
No, that's the patchouli and crystals in lieu of showers and deodorant.
If democrats aren’t capable of logic or intelligent thought, why would we expect different on this subject?
Jeans aren't supposed to stop fart smell. They're supposed to stop Hershey squirts.
Masks aren't supposed to stop individual viruses. They're supposed to stop spray from sneezes and coughs.
Jfc
Masks aren't supposed to stop individual viruses
Just admitted they do nothing we need them to do.
Be nice, he's drunk posting.
But he persists.
To prevent infection, masks would have to prevent a sufficient amount of virus particles from entering the air/mask. Even if they stopped 99% of virus particles, they can still be 0% effective in preventing virus transmission. Its all about how many virus particles get into the air, not percentages. Percentages are imaginary, numbers of particles are not. And the number of particles sufficient to cause infection is very small, while the number emitted with a single breath is breathtakingly large.
Are you sure you conducted that experiment purely for the scientific learning?
Weird. A certain poster in the roundup is still saying they help.
Probably some dumbass I already muted. All these $.50ers are so useless they shouldn't be getting paid. I wonder if being muted affects their pay rate?
They are there to be foils for the other 50 centers to argue with. I have lot of mutes, too, so the regulars and 50 centers I don't have muted yet look extra crazy. Like Abe Simpson yelling at cloud.
They're doing their job. Muddying up the waters so it looks like everyone is fighting, and anyone not registered here still sees them. I'm betting they're earning their 4 bits still.
"still saying". I like the wording, as if the existence of faster spreading variants proves what you've been saying all along about those masks. 😉
I doubt there are any good post-omicron studies; I suspect masks still help, and also that they still don't help a lot (compared to N95 which are 5+x better.) And, if you do the math, the change in R0 will still end up being significant in terms of epidemic scale/speed, which in turn affects core public health challenges (system capacity) where relevant. Degree of that effect is fair to rationally question, if you are fortunate enough to be aware of a corner of the internet where rational questions about the pandemic still happen.
Wen you're right, you're wrong.
Masks are NOT 100% effective. Social distancing is NOT 100% effective. Vaccines and boosters are NOT 100% effective. Avoiding crowds and indoor places that have poor airflow (ventilation) is NOT 100% effective. Washing your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds is NOT 100% effective. If you’re not able to wash your hands, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol is NOT 100% effective.
Cover your mouth and nose with your elbow or a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw away the used tissue. Wash your hands right away is NOT 100% effective.
Avoid touching your eyes, nose and mouth is NOT 100% effective.
Clean and disinfect often-touched surfaces daily is NOT 100% effective. Quarantine is NOT 100% effective.
Logic is 100% ineffective.
It is for Douchebag Bruce. He’s not capable of logic, at all.
Logically I figured out that almost half of your 2 sentences are false, so logically will have to give you a F.
NPC fail.
He is a dbag.
That steaming pile of lying lefty shit got muted the day his sorry ass first showed up here.
How about a bullet to the head? How effective is that?
Bruce should try that, and report the results to us.
My report is you have less than 100% intelligence.
100% intelligence
Well that’s a new metric for me. What percent intelligent are you, douchebruce?
Pretty high in relation to this thread, Thank you.
I’ve asked the gentleman behind me to please cover his nose politely and was summarily laughed at. @united flight 476, seat 21E. No action at all from the staff members I’ve asked for support.
After two years we’re all tired of this, but THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS. https://t.co/zNUKARekTf
Twitter is just a garbage dump.
Leftists are garbage
What a little bitch.
Imagine if he could report it to a govt agent that he knows would use force.
How quick do you think he would turn over that guy, his address, personal details to a govt thug knowing the guy would be beaten or worse.
What a good little commie in training.
That’s not how percentages work.
-10%
Makes a stupid statement "100% intelligent" (which isn't even a thing) and then implies he is smarter then the people pointing out his statement is stupid... You just can't make this shit up.
It's called sarcasm.
Sarcasm has a definition. Your post doesn’t meet it.
Bill O'reilly and Trump went to a PGA rally and Bill said he took the booster and Trump chimed in that he did too and got booed by the crowd.
100% of what?
A gibbon, a baboon?
Can you even think?
For Bruce
A bullet to the head is the most effective mitigation available today. Unfortunately it has a nasty side effect.
It will 100% prevent you from dying of Covid.
It will not 100% prevent you from being statistically labeled as a Covid death.
And yet infection rates stay the same no matter the mandates regarding masks. Weird. They only flux based on seasonality. Hmm...
Or vaccination rates. I'm no anti-vaxxer, but by this point, infection rates should be impacted by the level of vaccination if they ever will be. I'm yet to see number showing me that mass vaccination slows it down. Anecdotally, we hear stories about how few people dying are vaccinated, but with 70% of the 50+ population "fully vaccinated", plus the 100m minimum who have been previously infected, it should have petered down significantly.
Vaccinations are sometimes unable to see future mutations especially if there is a lot of them. The trick is to limit mutations which can be done with limiting the spread. One of the latest variants is more contagious which means more mutations.
The trick is to limit mutations which can be done with limiting the spread.
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I'd just gloss over the fact that everything we've tried failed to limit the spread, too.
We're all gonna' get exposed. Sooner or later. One way or another.
And, frankly, mutations aren't happening here where we've had surges and vaccines. Delta was in India during the pre-vaccination surge, Omicron Africa. My wearing a mask isn't going to affect what happens in Botswana.
We're all gonna' get exposed. Sooner or later. One way or another.
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And we knew this in March 2020. No matter how flat you get the curve, the area under the curve remains the same.
They're called poorly educated Trump voters, that he is so proud of. Fun Fact...16/17 of the lowest vax states were won by Trump.
It’s all just social signaling to you isn’t it?
There’s no substance to you at all.
Those same 16 are the freest states. No mandates, masks, ect and our infection rates are the same as everyone else. Call us poorly educated, but you have gained nothing by getting the jab and surrendering to the safety theater.
I see now why stable genius called them poorly educated.
I see now that you are a genetic mistake.
The virus doesn't care if you are free. Doesn't care how you are educated. Doesn't care if you paid someone to take your SAT.
Yeah, that's why we don't have a cure for the common cold, have never had a successful coronavirus vaccine in human history, and have to make new flu vaccines to target the most common strains every year. Coronaviruses are notorious for rapidly mutating. And unlike natural immunity which offers pretty robust protection from variants, vaccines are virtually useless against them.
It's too bad the vaccine doesn't prevent the vaccinated person from acquiring or spreading the virus then.
All you need is another booster every time a new variant is identified. You believe in science, don't you?
According to the vaccine vendors, you can just get a third shot with the same original formula from last year. You'll get way more antibodies.
If anything, anything done to the hosts to make them less likely to spread conditions them to be more likely to spread. You can't beat unintended selection.
Delta is remarkably transmissible. Almost chickenpox level, which is quite high. It is literally near the apex of how infective an endemic virus can be -- any more and it'll burn out like SARS. So I get why it changes the numbers.
And local statistics (the ones I follow) show efficacy from the vaccines, and are pretty telling. 3x-4x more likely for unvaccinated to test positive (which is disappointing compared to Alpha), anywhere from 4 to 100x more likely to be hospitalized. That hopsitalization number is so variable week to week because there are very few vaccinated in the hospital at all so adding 2 or 3 vaccinated (in a town with a bit under 3.5 million) really alters the ratio. These numbers jibe with NHS and Israeli stats.
In other words, it is nowhere near as dangerous as it was a year ago when Alpha was against the mostly naive population or in NYC in April 2020 when OG covid was going nuts. Plenty of unvaccinated have been exposed, too, as you mentioned, not just vacciens. And reinfections/breakthroughs are nearly universally super mild, so Delta reinfections are often only found because we're running thousands of tests on a regular basis on people who aren't sick and they are catching asymptomatic exposures.
But, people ARE catching it when vaccinated. And there were surges of DELTA (not omni cron) in places last month, which is perplexing in light of the vaccination. I have no way of knowing, but all the super careful people moving indoors in the cold autumn might have just shifted the inevitable "We're all getting exposed sooner or later" calculus to cold months.
But NONE of this is a reason to freak out, force masks, mandate vaccines, or anything else. Folks who have already been exposed to the 'rona just aren't getting very sick. Unless your hospital is stressed, who cares? People can make their choices about all of this and not affect the course of the virus at all.
Whatever, I have fingers crossed that omicron remains as mild as it so far seems. If so it'll sweep over everyone between now and mid January, crowd out Delta, and half of the vaccinated/recovered who encounter it won't even know they had been exposed, then by mid Feb we'll all be more broadly immune.
I have no way of knowing, ……
Correct.
So, what are you saying? That you think places like Colorado (Denver at least) did NOT shift their Delta wave to the cooler months by being overly cautious during the summer when everyone was outside?
This sounds suspiciously like a testable hypothesis (i.e. rationalist dogma).
The next question would be trying to make it physical – e.g. what factor, temperature? But basically once you start you'll just end up sounding like Them and it's also not recommended because it is difficult to ensure that the final resolution is ideologically desired.
Any anything that isn't 100% effective isn't worth doing, right?
And you're back to this idiocy. For fucks sake.
Prove it is even 1% effective before your virtue signaling. Because even the CDC says you're full of shit at this point.
Once again. It is long term exposure within close distance. Masks do nothing to stop this. Air gets redirected. Virus is too small to be filtered.
Yet you persist.
You are behind in your CDC reports, they said that when the vaccines had control of the virus. That was back then when they thought the vaccine(s) had control. That was then. They are again recommending masks. Still not 100% effective. As of December 20, 2021 here is what they say https://www.prevention.com/health/a38570005/new-cdc-mask-standards/
Lucky for you I still persisted....
When did the vaccines have control of the virus, pray tell?
Only God and the Beach Boys know.
I'm referring to all data dummy. God damn. Cdc isn't even controlling for seasonality in the majority of their studies.
I was referring to the latest data ...Monday. "Seasonality" hasn't changed much since yesterday. Try to keep up.
We have 18 months of data showing zero correlation you raging moron.
https://mises.org/wire/why-there-no-correlation-between-masks-lockdowns-and-covid-suppression
The CDC has literally been wrong on every fucking projection. Their models are shit. They rely on the stupidity of people like you to maintain the theater.
I recommend a better source....due to the promotion of Pseudoscience and misleading statements regarding race and climate change. Mises has also promoted pseudoscience by claiming that MMR vaccines cause autism.
It is using the cdc data retard. Holy fuck. Correlation isn't some mystical concept. Are you mystified by it?
1. The CDC has literally been wrong on every fucking projection.
2. It is using the cdc data 1. or 2. ? You can't be right on both, it's called common sense.
“they said that when the vaccines had control of the virus. That was back then when they thought the vaccine(s) had control. That was then.”
Do you realize how retarded this makes you look?
“I know you are, but what am I?”
Retarded. He said that. And you keep proving it.
Facts are hard to disPROVE. I keep waiting for proof, all I get are multiple variations of swear words.
Well we'll provide facts once you do the same in your diatribes.
And hint appeals to authority are not facts, they are logical fallacies.
You haven't posted any facts, and consequently they cannot be proved or disproved, so that might be part of it right there.
Btw this a sarcasmic sock, in case anybody hadn't worked that out yet. Notice how he references his "persisting" right after JesseAz uses the same phrase in reply to sarcasmic. Same shit the retard does on all of his socks. He flies into such an immediate and histrionic bitch rage when he gets insulted on his sarcasmic account that he compulsively replies to the post before making sure he's on the right handle. Just like when he keeps posting his Sqrsly copypasta from his sarcasmic account. This is what drug and alcohol will do to you, kids.
He oddly went silent when you asserted this. Hmm
Folks we found PeeWee Herman.
Funny how all these variants popped up after the "vaccines" were released.
How about wrapping your head in 8mil plastic sheeting?
I think we'd be safe, then.
Yep. I've seen it done in the movies, and the subject never gets the sniffles afterwards.
House of Fog and Sand?
And abstinence is 100% effective at preventing unwanted pregnancies and STDs. Funny how no one recommends that.
The claim here isn't that they fall short of perfection, but that they are useless face decorations.
But I guess arguing against points no one is trying to make is kind of your thing.
Filthy face diapers don't work.
>>It is difficult to keep up with the ever-mutating scientific consensus on masks.
was very simple to shun the idea in first place.
+1000
This has been theater from the beginning...
I'm not listening to this physcopath. I'm going to start wearing a cloth mask today.
Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. And Wen is quite broken with respect to the Constitution and individual liberties. Reminds me of some posters here... (not you Eeyore)
Wear two, just to be sure.
"Enter Leana Wen, a medical analyst for CNN and former president of Planned Parenthood. Wen is one of cable news' most vigorous supporters of coercive COVID-19 measures: She previously suggested that the government should prohibit unvaccinated people from traveling (and, perhaps, from leaving their homes at all)."
I rarely criticize PP, but how did they let this principled left-libertarian get away? Was it money? They should have offered her $100 million per year if she wanted. Clearly she's done her homework on the Constitutional penumbras formed by emanations that protect the right to access abortion care — but not the right to leave your home without your vaccine card.
#MyBodyMyChoice
#(Sometimes)
Maybe we can all vote by vaccine card since IDs are racist?
No tie-in with immigration.
B-
OBL, you don't understand man. My Body My Choice only applies when you want to kill unborn children. If you're not taking the jab, you are putting all those vaccinated people at risk.
You might ask, aren't vaccinated people safe since they took the most effective vaccine of all time? That's just a deflection. You hear that often by those selfish people that think personal liberties trump government rules. THIS vaccine will only truly be effective if EVERYBODY takes it.
Rational policy makers should conclude that these mandates' failure weakens their legitimacy.
This may be true Mr. Soave, but US policymakers and their media minions seem to be channeling their inner totalitarian instead.
Either people have finally decided to grow up and stop saying stupid shit like "You were mean to Trump which means you voted for Biden which means you're a poo poo head and all your articles suck!"
That or I successfully muted all the crybabies.
That or your strawman was always a strawman.
Funny, all I hear around me is, "You don't wanna wear a mask? What are you, a Trump supporter?"
My answer in all cases is simple: ignore their braying and make the case for freedom. It really makes no sense to me why you are still- weeks later, writing these missives to provoke either an Amen from team left, or yet one more 40 comment thread about blue v red pissing.
That comment of mine was genuine.
The constant refrain of "Reason spent four years trashing Trump, that means they're all leftists and they're lying when they trash the left!" from the usual morons was getting really really old.
And I'm not seeing it, which is nice.
Don't know if it's because it stopped, or because I managed to mute all the retards.
You should keep muting everyone who hurts your feelings and cry about it just to be sure.
They did spend 4 years trashing him and they continue to do so. It doesn't mean 100% of their articles are anti liberty, it just means they have left leaning tendencies that have been shown for years now.
But you created a retarded strawman all on your own instead of educating or thinking for yourself.
My answer in all cases is simple: ignore their braying and make the case for freedom.
But that won't work. First you have to counter the idea that masks are effective. As long as people think masking is going to keep them safe, a great many of them are going to support mandates. In their mind the alternative is sickness and death. That fear gets them to say "fuck freedom, I want safety!" So the case for freedom alone just won't cut it. You also need to convince them that the masks are ineffective. As long as they feel that freedom means giving up safety, they're not going to side with freedom.
Contempt and condescension aren't good methods of convincing people of something. It usually backfires. "You're a moron if you think masks are effective!" only results in "Fuck you, I'm gonna wear a mask just to piss you off."
You've described 90% of your posts, attempted condescension, when all it does is make you look like a clown. And then you cry victim.
This comment is a perfect example why most people ignore you.
"First you have to counter the idea that masks are effective."
No, because you are never going to do that, Sarc. You are never going to do it, because there are 1000 studies backing up whichever interpretation of SCIENCE! (tm) one needs to paint their ideological opponents not just wrong, but stupid. Once people *want* to believe something, they will ignore your study and promote their own 100 times before they will even consider what you are saying.
Haven't you seen that in the 10,000 posts between Joe and ML for the past 5 months? "My study says X!" "My study says Not(X)" "Fool!" "Denier!"
"So the case for freedom alone just won't cut it. You also need to convince them that the masks are ineffective."
As I said, no one is going to be "Scienced" into changing a moral stance. If the science said masks provide a 5% benefit, they would say, "See! 5% Benefit!" Because they have already made a moral calculation. You are not going to convince these people, because there are hundreds of others who will pop up next week to tell them not to believe your facts.
This is why I get so frustrated with Sullum & Bailey parsing the science in article after article. The data has remained "conflicting" and "muddled" for 2 years now, and that isn't changing. The only clear thing has been that it is morally wrong to expect others to protect you from nature.
But you did vote for Biden and you constantly cry about mean tweets. Boehm too.
I'm not sure if you or Boehm are hit harder by CNN saying what you've had your face rubbed in for months.
You and Laursen have been the only two uttering this when you come up for air after blowing each other for weeks.
Unspoken: using N95 masks in public is largely useless as well because they won't be used effectively. Effective use requires discipline, training, and support not available outside of tightly controlled settings. Even within those settings (short of actual bio-hazard units) mask benefits are modest.
Vaccines work. Staying home when you don't feel well works. Quarantining when you're positive works. Using anti-bacterial sanitizer between locations works.
Masks do not work. Masking is virtue signaling, as is advocating for mask mandates or lockdowns.
Vaccines work? Is that why you can still get and transmit the virus after getting the jab? And after 6 MO it's completely useless?
Is that why you can still get and transmit the virus after getting the jab?
Why do you think perfection is the appropriate standard?
That's what vaccines were just a couple years ago. Sure, they didn't work in 100% of cases, but in cases they DID work, the spread was stopped.
These 'vaccines' don't even limit spread WHEN THEY 'WORK'.
These 'vaccines' don't even limit spread WHEN THEY 'WORK'.
Yes, these vaccines aren't as good as some others against their diseases. They are new and developed hurriedly, hopefully we will develop better in the future . But I'm not sure why you think this the appropriate standard. The question is the level of protection for this virus. Otherwise you're saying my disability insurance is useless because it has more exceptions than my life insurance. The relevant question is whether there is a better disability policy.
There are two appropriate standards, both of which must be satisfied:
1. Are they better than nothing?
2. Are they better than other alternative treatments / strategies?
Based on the data the answer is obviously yes.
But I'm not sure why you think this the appropriate standard.
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Because every idiot 'leader' in the nation told us that vaccination was the key to ending the pandemic, and that people who get jabbed don't get covid.
I'm not sure that was true, the idiot half told us we had to shutter the economy, cower in our homes, and visibly indicate our political subservience even when outside.
But the vaccine greatly reduces death, hospitalization, and the severity of symptoms so taking it is a good decision. The fact that it's less effective than we hoped is just something we have to live with - as we do with the flu which kills > 100k / year but which we accept the risk of because there's no serious alternative. Hopefully we'll develop something better and we'll eventually achieve ending it completely.
You have to separate the medical decision from the political hype.
Well then let me help you out.
https://twitter.com/Sentinel2NO/status/1471886835152560130?s=20
I say you have to separate medicine from politics and you respond by showing a video of politicians.
The director of the CDC is a politician?
The director of the CDC is a politician?
Yes. As is Joe Biden.
No.
Viral loads in unvaxxed or those that tested the therapy are comparable. There is no difference in transmission potential.
It is a leaky therapy, no matter how the CDC contorts language.
2. Are they better than other alternative treatments / strategies?
We have no way of knowing. Alternative treatments and strategies have been banned.
That said- there's a lot of alternative treatments and protocols that work. Better than the vaccines. If the sole criteria is reducing death- we'd be testing everyone for Vitamin D blood levels, and focusing on getting them up to 50-60 ng/ml. The relationship between Vitamin D blood levels and all kinds of URIs have been known for decades. At the very beginning ER doctors noted there was an inverse relationship between Vitamin D blood levels and ICU admission with covid. And now?
https://www dot medrxiv dot org/content/10.1101/2021.09.22.21263977v1
From the link: "COVID-19 mortality risk correlates inversely with vitamin D3 status, and a mortality rate close to zero could theoretically be achieved at 50 ng/ml 25(OH)D3: Results of a systematic review and meta-analysis"
Who is dying from covid? Obese and the elderly in nursing homes. You know what group of people are known to have chronically low Vitamin D blood levels? Obese and the elderly in nursing homes.
Yep! Besides age (which we can't do anything about), the two biggest predictors of bad covid outcomes were obesity and vitamin D deficiency. So we told everybody to sit inside and watch Netflix.
I've said it for over a year at this point -- our outcomes would have been MUCH better if we had 'mandated' an hour-long walk in the sunshine on days it was possible and done nothing else.
They're not banned unless someone is preventing you from taking a walk in sunshine. They are pursuing what they consider the most likely avenue.
Marshall think those are good questions (I'll leave alone freedom of choice) but they need to be answered based on more defined groups and then decided on. Kids - sound like the above is no and non. Older feeble adults yes and mostly yes?
Seeing as blue states with vaccination rates above other states have higher infection rates... how about something measurably effective?
I don't, the standard changed last august
Why do you think perfection is the appropriate standard?
He didn't say anything about perfection. He's doesn't, but he could just as well be comparing them to vaccine standards that have existed for more than 50 yrs.
Also, because he doesn't say anything about perfection, that makes *you* the one arguing perfection in opposition of the good.
Masks can be effective in specific situations such as when the wearer is sick and has to be around people who are at risk. The mask will help stop the sick person's sniffles and sneezes and coughs from filling the air with little droplets of saliva that carry the virus. Other than that they cause more harm than good. And in that specific situation staying home would be much more effective than wearing a mask.
A-E-R-O-S-O-L-S.
He won't get it. He realizes if he educates himself now his last 9 months would make him look like an idiot and have to agree w his enemies.
I think it's probably fair to say that it's better than nothing if you are actively sick and have to go out and be around people. Probably not a lot better than nothing, but it might stop that glob of spit from landing on someone else, I guess.
And no facial hair, so orthodox Jews, Sikhs and Neo-Pagans can't wear them.
All CNN employees should switch tk plastic nose and mouth coverings.
Serious question, what are the numbers for kids under 12 killed by the wuflu v's kids under 12 molested by CNN employees?
You already know the answer to that. It should be reported more loudly, though.
Prior to the Communist Chinese Virus, the CDC stated that masks were not needed except by those treating someone known to be infected who could not wear a mask themselves.
Then they said save the masks for the front line workers.
Then they said wear a mask.
Then they said wear two masks.
So the medical science is masks are not necessary for the masses, and the political science is spend like a drunken sailor on masks to show subservience to your political masters.
Leana Wen, formerly of CNN
wen to another network.
She knew wen it was time to leave.
Is she formerly of CNN because CNN is going tits up?
I think they were just saying it because she didn't follow their normal line/code of acting.
“Wen in Rome, do as the Romans.”
I dunno. I'm sure the other half of the sentence was "that's why everybody needs N95s everywhere they go."
"It is difficult to keep up with the ever-mutating scientific consensus on masks."
Actually it's not, because the scientific consensus hasn't changed: the masks that people are being told to wear do nothing. All the changes that Robby is talking about are in political propaganda, not science.
Funny: When Rand Paul said essentially the same thing, and was censored by YouTube, Sullum was on Reason chiding him for "overselling" the case against masks.
Gee, maybe Reason writers would find themselves contradicting one another and beclowning themselves less if they focused on the libertarian case for or against mandates in the first place, rather than trying to be YET ANOTHER Liberal Arts Major trying to interpret politically-motivated, shoot from the hip grants.
No matter what the science says, you are always making decisions to benefit some small majority of people, while inconveniencing or infringing upon a large minority. Whether the science "tells" you that it is a 51/49 split or a 60/40 split doesn't change the fact that you are interfering with freedoms of others. And that is either right or wrong.
It’s cute you still think this publication is libertarian.
The problem is the name.
Come on Overt, Rand Paul is an icky Republican. YouTube and Sullum were justified in their criticism of him, as such.
a China-style totalitarian state: This is a path the U.S. government is constitutionally, morally, and practically prevented from taking.
Hold their beer.
Tell that to January 6 protestors.
Tell that to the Dems with fan pictures of Chairman Mao on their walls and desks. Or, the New York Times, as they give the CCP space to defend their anti-speech/anti-liberty policies against Hong Kong.
Australia anyone?
But Reason did do an article on how the COVID concentration camps are nicer than Auschwitz.
Even the Germans didn’t go full nazi until 1942.
We do not wannasee that repeated.
Heil, no!
U.S. government: "Challenge accepted."
A quick correction. No study has ever shown masks to be effective at preventing the spread of COVID. Several models have shown that, based on the assumptions made in the model, masks should be effective at preventing the spread. However, every real-world study, going back well into 2020 has shown no difference in spread in masked vs un-masked populations.
When you tell the model that masks work, the model tells you that masks work!
SCIENCE!
In the IT world we call that "garbage in, garbage out." It was frustrating to see the media push these bullshit models as evidence, along with the CDC and Dem politicians. Our country is so scientifically and fiscally illiterate, it's not difficult to understand why we're on a path to communism.
The problem is that the data is too rough and people are masking in wrong situations. Masks reduce particulates in breathing and decrease the viral load you get from any interaction by a percentage.
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19
The reduction from most mask styles is actually a pretty low percentage (20-50%). Therefore, anyone you have extended interaction with (school, family, co-workers), it does not matter if you are masked or not. The percentage reduction is meaningless. Now, if you are masked during brief interaction with infected people, it might help. It might not.
However, this is too fine a detail for observational studies to interpret, especially when mask use is self-reported (which, as we know is an inherently flawed method that is prone to cheating)
Magical talismans. That's what many of us have referred to them as- magical talismans.
From the very beginning of the covidiocy.
"Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron."
----CDC Update December 6, 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html?
The CDC's guidance doesn't even say that masks will protect the wearer. It says that masks offer some protection to the wearer.
It's like the CDC saying that wearing a helmet will offer some protection in the event of a motorcycle accident, which is a far cry from saying that wearing a motorcycle helmet will protect you from harm in an accident. I understand that progressives are incredibly stupid people, but even they should be able to understand that. Somehow, I bet this is about Trump for most of them.
Cloth masks looked like and could be substituted for the kind of masks which may have been effective, so they were treated the same way as vaping, which looked like and could be substituted for smoking.
Similarly, Iraquis looked like Afghans, just not as long haired.
Iraquis? I thought you said Iroquois!
The spelling police might want to sioux.
An Austrian research team from the Medical University of Innsbruck found that people who had previously been infected with the Delta Covid variant have little natural protection against the Omicron variant. They also found that Covid survivors who are fully vaccinated have a 'super immunity' of some sorts against the new mutant strain.
Does anyone actually buy this shit from one of the most lockdown-happy countries in Europe?
You know what other Austrian was lockdown-happy?
Franz Joseph?
John j jingleheimer Schmidt?
Falco?
Just print "Just following orders" on them.
Or "I CAN'T BREATHE!"
"Use until expiration date"
Per Robby's link, the CDC says to avoid specially labeled “surgical” N95 respirators, as those should be prioritized for healthcare personnel.
It's Fauci redux! If these things are so special and rare, just be done with it and make them illegal for John Q. Public. 8-(
Ya think, Leana? Ya think? Ya fucking think?
None of this shit works against the Chinese Flu.
And 800,000 supposedly dead of this over two years? Three times as many have died of heart disease/cancer in the same time frame, yet we don't damage our society trying to fight and stop the spread of these diseases.
Apples and oranges? No. Just shows heart disease and cancer kill multiples of what the Chinese Flu kills.
"It's time to end mask mandates in schools, on airplanes, and in other settings where they are required."
More reflexive right-wing bullshit from right-wing Reason. Fuck those socialists! We demand the freedom to infect and kill others, because as "libertarians" it's all about us.
You lefties never gave a shit about anything except power.
Yup. We all hope you are next.
"We demand the freedom to infect and kill others, because as "libertarians" it's all about us."
We demand steaming piles of lefty shit fuck off and die.
A lot of anti-COVID articles all at once. Is two years of this authoritarian bullshit finally making you guys question the nobility of our leaders?
robby, you blew it on this one. quoting wen out of context to make your political point is intellectually dishonest. i don't like mask mandates either - but wen is not opposing mask mandates, or masks - just cloth masks. be libertarian + honest, and you retain your credibility.
This article is yet another rant from a whiner who is upset because the scientists didn't know everything about Covid-19 from the start, and don't know all the answers immediately with the new variants that no one has had the time to thoroughly study as they infect their way through the world's population.
Yes, Dr. Fauci originally told us we didn't need to wear masks, then he changed that position as he learned more about the virus. Yes, there have been a bunch of studies (though none of consequence for Omicron, yet) and some show conflicting information about masks. Carping about this uncertainty in the face of a new virus just gives fuel to those who would deny any and all protections, push funky alternative cures like horse deworming medicine, or get their advice from political podcasters instead of keeping up with the latest scientific information.
From what I've seen, pretty much any mask, properly worn, is better than no mask, and the best mask worn poorly, or not washed and disinfected (for cloth masks) is as bad as no mask.
Masks don't have to be perfect to help. Your chances of getting infected depend largely on how much virus you get up your nose. The more you start out with, the less chance your immune system has and the faster the virus replicates and spreads in your body. A mask won't stop all the viruses, but it will reduce the load and give your immune system a better chance of fighting the infection off.
Fuck off and die, slaver.
Demanding certainty serves ideological obsessions – if nothing is certain, perhaps there is no real justification for civilization. It's also convenient, given in fact nothing is certain.
The transparency of the charade is a feature, not a bug – the more ridiculous the claims expected of tribe members, the quicker rationalists and independent thinkers can be identified and antibodies developed.
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https://ptc.bocsci.com/product/bi-4464-cas-1227948-02-8-291264.html
BI-4464 (BI 4464) is a potent, highly selective, ATP competitive inhibitor of Focal adhesion tyrosine kinase (PTK2/FAK) with IC50 of 17 nM.
Pharmacophore Modeling
https://www.profacgen.com/pharmacophore-modeling.htm Pharmacophore approaches are successful subfields of computer-aided drug design (CADD) which have become one of the major tools in hit identification, lead optimization,
As a chemist, I have strong concerns about biological studies. They are inherently over-complex due to the nature of medicine.
I prefer hard numbers. The EPA did evaluations of all types of masks. The most common mask type was 20-40%.
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19
These numbers are pretty darn low, especially since these are in laboratory conditions with pristine masks, not infrequently washed masks with sagging elastic. (Ironically, the "bandit-style bandana" was among the top of the consumer masks evaluated)
I've washed my homemade cloth mask once since June 2020. Is it still effective?
Every time an article says "the CDC recommends people not wear N95" without including the next line "because they should be reserved for health workers" I stop reading, because clearly the author cannot be trusted.
That's about as blatant a mischaracterization as I can imagine.
It seems that to many people a mask is a kind of talisman to ward away evil spirits.