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New York Is Trying To Punish Its Way to 100% Vaccine Compliance

15 out of 16 adult New Yorkers have gotten the jab, but that's not enough to keep government from fining businesses and excluding kids.

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When will New Yorkers ever be vaccinated enough to have their pre-COVID freedoms back?

That's the unasked question lingering over several new government mandates that went into effect this week. Beginning Monday, at the order of Democratic Governor Kathy Hochul, every business in the state was required by law to have every employee and customer show proof of full COVID-19 vaccination, or make everyone inside their doors over the age of 2 wear a mask.

Violators face fines of up to $1,000. Enforcement is being left to county governments, of which an estimated one-quarter—almost all run by Republicans—have indicated they will not participate in.

"My health department has critical things to do that are more important than enforcing this, and I think small businesses have been through enough already," Orange County Executive Steve Neuhaus told the New York Post, adding that his government rejects "using Gestapo tactics and going business to business and asking them if they are enforcing masking." (Paul Pettit, public health director for both Genesee and Orleans counties, made a similar if less hyperbolic point: "We do not have the capacity to enforce mask mandates, and enforcing mandates is not the best use of our limited resources at this point of the pandemic response.")

The two-shot vaccination rate for New Yorkers ages 12 and older currently stands at 81 percent. Six months ago, when Hochul's predecessor Andrew Cuomo lifted almost all statewide COVID restrictions, he did so because the Empire State had crossed the 70 percent threshold set by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)—not for full vaccination of everyone over age 12, mind you, but for single shots among adults.

"What does 70 percent mean?" Cuomo said then. "That means that we can now return to life as we know it."

The single-shot vaccination rate for New York adults is now 93 percent.

"The temporary measures I am taking today will help [slow the spread] through the holiday season," Hochul said in her original statement unveiling the mandate. "We shouldn't have reached the point where we are confronted with a winter surge, especially with the vaccine at our disposal, and I share many New Yorkers' frustration that we are not past this pandemic yet."

Contra Hochul, it is far from clear that even 100 percent vaccination would have prevented a third consecutive winter surge across the northeast, which currently has the highest rates of vaccination and coronavirus cases in the United States. Middlebury College in Vermont, for example, canceled in-person instruction last week after an outbreak of 50 cases on a campus whose vaccination rate is 99 percent.

The top three states in the country for case rates right now are New Hampshire, Rhode Island, and Maine, followed closely by neighbors Massachusetts (5), Vermont (7), Connecticut (10), and New York (19). Yet measured by recent hospitalization rates, those same highly-vaccinated states rank, respectively, 9th, 25th, 16th, 34th, 38th, 31st, and 26th. None are in the top 20 for deaths.

"Massachusetts is the most vaccinated state in the country and yet here we are in a surge of COVID that is just as bad as where we were last year at this point," said University of Massachusetts Memorial Health Care President Eric Dickson in an NBC Nightly News scare story Tuesday night. This claim is preposterous—as of Tuesday, the Bay State's seven-day average of deaths was 17, compared to 51 last year.

Even before the advent of the omicron variant, which looks considerably more contagious yet preliminarily less deadly than the still-dominant delta, many epidemiologists were urging politicians and public health officials to worry less about case numbers and more about serious illness.

"In highly vaccinated areas," wrote infectious disease specialists Monica Gandhi and Leslie Bienen in Sunday's New York Times, "focusing on a different set of numbers, hospitalizations, rather than case counts, can better tell us how we're doing. America is in the slow process of accepting that Covid-19 will become endemic—meaning it will always be present in the population at varying levels."

That process of endemic-acceptance is slow indeed. Hochul, like many coastal Democrats, continues to emphasize cases over hospitalizations, blame worsening trends on individual behavior rather than seasonality, and shape policy around sticks rather than carrots. "This is a crisis of the unvaccinated. Did not have to be, totally preventable," the governor snapped Tuesday. "So if I sound a little frustrated, perhaps I am."

In the face of the omicron spread, there is a palpable desire to punish the unvaccinated, ratchet up the definition of "full vaccination" to include booster shots, and shrug at any discomfort (job loss, service denials, social isolation) meted out by blue-state governments onto the noncompliant.

As Reason's Robby Soave pointed out Tuesday, New York City has been running commercials showing glum teenagers excluded from fun-looking extracurricular and social events, warning parents that "your teen will miss out" unless you get them vaccinated. "Let your teens start being teens again!" runs the tagline.

That formulation gives the misleading impression that it is parents, not governments, preventing teenagers from full participation in what until two years ago was seen as normal life. Teens have been teens in Florida (and other states) since the fall of 2020, when public schools (quite unlike in New York City) opened back up full time, and where kids don't wear masks. The exclusion from athletic competition and band practice, the banishment from movie theaters and pizza joints, is a deliberate decision by New York Mayor Bill de Blasio that went into effect this week.

"By putting that mandate on for the youngest New Yorkers for indoor entertainment, et cetera, we know a lot more kids are going to get vaccinated and that affects the whole household," de Blasio said Monday. This is true. It's also true that the city has a robust testing regime among unvaccinated public schoolkids, and that their positivity rate since September has been 0.32 percent, or just less than one per 300 tests.

The seven-day rolling average shows an increase in that number—up to 0.78 percent for students and staff combined, or about one for every 130 tests, as the winter surge hits Gotham. But contrary to hysterical politician predictions over the summer that schools would become superspreaders, these data underline what we've known for a year and a half: Congregate settings of children have been some of the safest places during the pandemic, for the very good reason that kids disproportionately do not contract, spread, or suffer from COVID-19 at anything like the rates adults do.

The citywide death rate during the pandemic has been 419 out of every 100,000 residents. For kids under the age of 18, that number is 2. Yes, de Blasio is targeting children with exclusionary punishments on the slim chance that they will catch COVID and spread it to an unvaccinated adult, but he is also doing it because he can.

There is plenty of room for pediatric vaccination rates to increase. While the 12–17 cohort is vaccinated at a 71 percent clip in NYC, 5–11s—who have only had access to the jab since the first week of November—stand at 22 percent. If Miracle on 34th Street were re-set in 2021 New York, little Natalie Wood likely would not have met Kris Kringle, on account of being barred by the government from Macy's.

Denial of service to a broad class of customers has a long and mostly unhappy history in the United States. It also, even in a COVID context, does not poll well—51 percent of Americans surveyed this month by Axios/Ipsos said they thought denying services to the unvaccinated should be illegal. There is, however, a strong partisan divide on pandemic intervention; that same poll found 78 percent of Democrats favoring workplace vaccine mandates, compared to 30 percent of Republicans. One of the reasons COVID restrictions are clustered in blue states is that some of them are quite popular there.

New Yorkers, particularly in the governing and journalistic classes, will likely be fine with punishing the vaccine-reluctant (and their children) for their own good, even if that means disproportionately marginalizing poor and minority communities. They may even be willing to accept the inevitable economic hit that comes with further burdening businesses and alienating their customers.

But what happens after the two-shot vaccination rate goes from 81 percent to 90 percent, maybe even 95 percent, and yet the cold weather and latest variant still increases case rates? How much government force will Democrats be willing to exert to achieve full compliance on minority communities that have lost trust in authoritative institutions? I guess we're about to find out.

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  1. The rate will never be high enough as long as they are allowed to keep making stupid rules and punishing everyone. The only way it stops, is if people refuse to comply.

    1. The only way it stops, is if people refuse to comply with bullets.

      Voting won't be enough. You'll just get the next less officious yutz who thinks it'll be okay as long as they stay above 95% compliance forever.

      1. I don’t think we can solve our democrat problem through the ballot box or the courts. Both are increasingly corrupt in their favor. More will be required, and soon.

        It’s like thinking you can get a serial murderer to let you go by being polite enough. It won’t work.

        1. Seriously I don’t know why more people haven’t tried this, I work two shifts, 2 hours in the day and 2 in the evening…FSGh And i get surly a check of $12600 what’s awesome is I m working from home so I get more time with my kids.

          Try it, you won’t regret it........CASHAPP NOW

    2. Maybe they need to up their game. You know the old Irish joke prayer "Lord please turn the hearts of my enemies, and if you can't then turn their ankles so I may know them by their limp?"
      Just break the ankles of all non-compliant so they use crutches. That will keep them at home, and if they get out, we can tell who they are.
      Or, we could just shoot them.
      In the interest of public health, of course.

    3. I've got my first check total of $15,550, pretty cool. I am so excited, this is the first time i Actually earned something. I am going to work even harder new and i can't wait for next week payment. Go to home tab for more detail.......I highly recommend to everyone to apply...

      Join this right now............Pays-/24

    4. As long as they have another BILLION DOLLARS in SALES to go...

      For a non existant Omicron panic for a vaccine that doesnt eork for Omicron.

      Fuck New York
      Fuck Joe Biden
      Fuck Pfi$er

      $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
      $$$$$$!!!!!!

    5. Same as it ever was.

      1. No, they're getting a lot better at it.

  2. Competent adults understand 'compliance or consequences.'

    Gullible misfits, apparently, do not.

    1. "Compliance or consequences." Do you even realize just how menacing that sounds? I mean we don't have to look far to see women being exploited by the governor, New York making its schools more racist, or New York's policies causing deaths in retirement homes. But you'd better comply anyway, right?

      1. This is Obamacare.

        Buy insurance you cant afford saddled with govt expenses or well fine you$2500.

        I know a Hillary worshipper it happened to. A waitress.

        1. Trump care ?

    2. And you don’t realize what ultimately happens to tyrants.

      1. He looks like Hitler or Stalin.

      2. They retire to Spain to wind down their days on a bed of money surrounded by beautiful women?

      3. They escape to Argentina on a Uboat?

        1. They work for the UN.

    3. 'compliance or consequences.'

      Spoken like a true communist.

    4. Sure Arty. Look at one teenager did to a crowd of you people, many of who, were also armed. Wait until you push hard enough that instead it’s tens of thousands, with training and experience.

      Things will end poorly for you.

  3. vote. with. your. feet.

    1. It's tough to flip the right lever with my toes.

      1. I meant kick him in that stupid mask.

  4. Former Governor Andrew “Hands” Cuomo (D) dealt with approximately 15,000 New Yorkers who were not vaccinated.

    1. They were useless eaters, holding back the reich.

      1. Off to the Camps with them.

        1. The old folks homes? They were a paradise.

          Shuffleboard will make you free.

          1. Shuffleboard is one of the central sacraments of Methodism, along with Jello salad.

  5. It is not about stopping the apreas of COVID-19.

    It is about punishing the Other.

    1. Ah the "Other"

      Well put.

      "Ingroup/Outgroup." the basis for Communism and Marxism.

      1. If only the other little boys had let Karl play with them...

        1. yeah wed been spared this hell...

  6. While the rate of covid hospitalizations and ICU admissions in the US have increased in the past month, they are still only half of what they were 11 months ago.
    https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&uniformYAxis=0&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=new_cases_smoothed_per_million&Metric=Hospital+admissions&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=USA~GBR~ISR~SWE~DEU~AUT~CZE~BEL~IRL~NLD~DNK~SVN~SVK~HUN~ZAF~HRV~CHE

    But of course, left wing media fearmongers and their allied left wing Democrat politicians have gone to great lengths in the past two weeks to scare sheeple Americans, and impose more disastrous totalitarian policies that take away basic civil rights of everyone.

    1. The MORONS in the hospital industry went to one bed per room thus creating this crisis.

      And the STUPID SOBS putting virulent patients in hospitals in the first place is criminal moronicity.

      1. moronicity

        Isn't that the name of the new vaccine?

  7. More from Mediaite:

    Twitter will begin imposing penalties on users who claim that vaccinated people can spread Covid-19, according to a change quietly added to the website’s terms of service.

    “When tweets include misleading information about Covid-19, we may place a label on those tweets that includes corrective information about that claim,” the website notes in a section detailing its rules about Covid-19 misinformation. “We may apply labels to tweets that contain, for example… false or misleading claims that people who have received the vaccine can spread or shed the virus (or symptoms, or immunity) to unvaccinated people.”

    Users can receive penalties up to a permanent ban.

    1. No no, JesseAz. You don't understand The Science. Vaccinated people can catch the coof from other vaccinated people, but they cannot, themselves, transmit the coof to other vaccinated people. Get with the latest evolving settled science my dude.

      1. They can obviously catch it from the unclean, unvaccinated monsters. Hence the need to make sure everyone is vaccinated and boosted, regardless of one's vaccination status.

      2. Tell Brain Dead Jessee " its settled science"

        Thats the Hypno Toad-esque dog whistle for Lefty Robots.

  8. When will New Yorkers ever be vaccinated enough to have their pre-COVID freedoms back?

    Given that these mRna Covid “vaccines” are a complete and total (as in they’re ineffective, as in they don’t fucking work, as in they don’t really do anything at all), the rather obvious answer is “never”.

    My question is: when will Park Slope Welchie Boy get sick enough of living in New York to stop merely whining about it and actually do something about it, like move out? Probably the same exact answer!

  9. When will New Yorkers ever be vaccinated enough to have their pre-COVID freedoms back?

    When the death squads start hunting down the untermenchen unvaccinated?

  10. Get what you vote for. Fuck New York City.

    1. Far better to live there than most any red shithole.

      1. Why are people fleeing blue states
        then, genius?

        1. I guess for the same reason that black and brown people all over the world risk everything to get to the USA, the most racist country on Earth.

          1. The fools!

    2. problem is, people that didnt vote " Stupid" have to deal with it too.

  11. If Miracle on 34th Street were re-set in 2021 New York, little Natalie Wood likely would not have met Kris Kringle

    And her movie career wouldn't have taken off, resulting in her murder by Robert Wagner.

    1. If it were remade today, no way would a "white" actress be cast in that role.

  12. Good and hard.

  13. Even the bleating sheep are weary of the nonsense. Deblasio is an unhinged buffoon.

    1. "Yes, this man has no dick,"

      Ghostbusters

      1. I pine for the day when the EPA is the villain again.

  14. Isn’t DeBlasio out of office yet? Can’t Adams promise no follow through or enforcement of these crazed ukases?

    1. Biden will give him a Federal position in 8....7...6
      ..5...4...

      FJB

  15. If this is how you get the freeloaders to actually do anything for society, so be it. Don't act like you're entitled to societal benefits when you don't do the bare minimum to earn it. Fuck off to the woods with your "freedumbs" you idiots.

    1. You present a very persuasive argument.

    2. "Freedumbs" is just barely a step above racial slurs.

      1. There are way more creative racial slurs. The people using brilliant language such as freedumbs and drumpf are the types that laugh at their own jokes and understand that they are just too smart for the rest of the morons to understand.

        1. The kind of people who make threats like "If you don't do as we say, we won't give you other peoples' stolen goods."

  16. Christmas Celebrations Cancelled in Most Vaccinated Area in the World as Cases Spike

    According to the Reuters coronavirus tracker, Gibraltar has administered at least 94,469 doses of the COVID vaccines so far. Assuming every person needs 2 doses, that's enough to have vaccinated about 140.2 percent of the British territory's population.

    Our World in Data has indicated that Gibraltar is the most vaccinated part of the world with the percentage of the population being fully vaccinated greater than 99 percent.

    1. Screw Christmas. Channukah has EIGHT DAYS And cool Spinning Tops!

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8RnHmwaKhyc

      1. The vaccines are effective!

        Great, so we can return to normal!

        No! Cases are rising! The vaccine isn't 100% effective and you can still spread the disease.

        So what percentage to we have to get vaccinated before we can return to normal.

        *checks notes on Gibraltar* 487%!

        1. Yes they are.

          They pushed Modernas (?) stock prices up 10x ?

          The " safe" refers to where they put the billions of dollars in profit pushing worthless vaccines.

        2. Bud: ‘You can’t come in here!’
          Lou: ‘Why not?’
          Bud: ‘Well because you’re unvaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘But I’m not sick.’
          Bud: ‘It doesn’t matter.’
          Lou: ‘Well, why does that guy get to go in?’
          Bud: ‘Because he’s vaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘But he’s sick!’
          Bud: ‘It’s alright. Everyone in here is vaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘Wait a minute. Are you saying everyone in there is vaccinated?’
          Bud: ‘Yes.’
          Lou: ‘So then why can’t I go in there if everyone is vaccinated?’
          Bud: ‘Because you’ll make them sick.’
          Lou: ‘How will I make them sick if I’m NOT sick and they’re vaccinated.’
          Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘But they’re vaccinated.’
          Bud: ‘But they can still get sick.’
          Lou: ‘So what the heck does the vaccine do?’
          Bud: ‘It vaccinates.’
          Lou: ‘So vaccinated people can’t spread covid?’
          Bud: ‘Oh no. They can spread covid just as easily as an unvaccinated person.’
          Lou: ‘I don’t even know what I’m saying anymore. Look. I’m not sick.
          Bud: ‘Ok.’
          Lou: ‘And the guy you let in IS sick.’
          Bud: ‘That’s right.’
          Lou: ‘And everybody in there can still get sick even though they’re vaccinated.’
          Bud: ‘Certainly.’
          Lou: ‘So why can’t I go in again?’
          Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘I’m not asking who’s vaccinated or not!’
          Bud: ‘I’m just telling you how it is.’
          Lou: ‘Nevermind. I’ll just put on my mask.’
          Bud: ‘That’s fine.’
          Lou: ‘Now I can go in?’
          Bud: ‘Absolutely not?’
          Lou: ‘But I have a mask!’
          Bud: ‘Doesn’t matter.’
          Lou: ‘I was able to come in here yesterday with a mask.’
          Bud: ‘I know.’
          Lou: So why can’t I come in here today with a mask? ….If you say
          ‘because I’m unvaccinated’ again, I’ll break your arm.’
          Bud: ‘Take it easy buddy.’
          Lou: ‘So the mask is no good anymore.’
          Bud: ‘No, it’s still good.’
          Lou: ‘But I can’t come in?’
          Bud: ‘Correct.’
          Lou: ‘Why not?’
          Bud: ‘Because you’re unvaccinated.’
          Lou: ‘But the mask prevents the germs from getting out.’
          Bud: ‘Yes, but people can still catch your germs.’
          Lou: ‘But they’re all vaccinated.’
          Bud: ‘Yes, but they can still get sick.’
          Lou: ‘But I’m not sick!!’
          Bud: ‘You can still get them sick.’
          Lou: ‘So then masks don’t work!’
          Bud: ‘Masks work quite well.’
          Lou: ‘So how in the heck can I get vaccinated people sick if I’m not
          sick and masks work?’
          Bud: ‘Third base.’

          1. ( golf clap )

        3. Well if the dead can vote, they can get vaccinated, too.

      2. Christmas has 12 days, or so I've heard.

      1. Hebrew Hammer is a MUST SEE.

    2. It’s that last 1% that ruined it!

    3. So, if I were some sort of Communist Dictator, maladjusted socialist, or even just crackpot ideological, nutjob, cult-of-personality looking to get an administrative/political toehold in the West, a 140.2% vaccination rate would light up the political map like Rudolph's nose. Signals so intense it would make Jim Jones do a spit take.

  17. Is it too much to ask for the CDC and state public health regulators to be reading from the same book, let alone the same page?

    CDC: We don't need to update the vaccine for the new variants because while the efficacy against infection is way down, they are still almost as effective against variants are against the original. Since infections don't really matter, no reason for updates.

    Public health regulators: These new rules are necessary because...LOOK AT ALL THESE INFECTIONS!

    1. CDCs contradicted by todays news.

      JnJ vax useless against Omicron.

      The End.

      Run screaming into the night.

    2. It makes more sense when you understand that the masks and the vaccines were never about preventing the transmission of COVID. The CDC itself admitted as much early last year when all of this started. It's a shibboleth to test who is a virtuous compliant Good Guy versus an callous noncompliant Bad Guy. It's about creating an "Other" that can be singled out and hated and most importantly blamed for all bad things, real and imagined. It's not Big Brother that makes the bad things happen, it's Goldstein!

      1. When you don't have a despised minority handy to facilitate imposing fascism, you create one.

    3. Rereading this, I realized that I missed a couple words: "they are still almost as effective against variants in preventing severe disease as they are against the original."

  18. That's the unasked question lingering over several new government mandates that went into effect this week.

    Wait, who's unasking the question?

    1. Well, for ~18 mos., Matt Welch.

  19. Google to fire unvaccinated workers:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/12/14/google-employees-to-lose-pay-if-dont-comply-with-vaccination-policy.html

    Google asked its more than 150,000 employees to upload their vaccination status to its internal systems, whether they plan to come into the office or not...

    “We expect that almost all roles at Google in the US will fall within the scope of the executive order,” Google’s memo said. “Anyone entering a Google building must be fully vaccinated or have an approved accommodation that allows them to work or come onsite,” the company said, adding that “frequent testing is not a valid alternative to vaccination.”

    1. The document said employees who haven’t complied with the vaccination rules by the Jan. 18 deadline will be placed on “paid administrative leave” for 30 days. After that, the company will put them on “unpaid personal leave” for up to six months, followed by termination.

    2. So, will the uploads have to be co-signed and/or verified by a notary public or public health official at the time of upload or are they just going to accept any pdf?

      1. People wouldn't lie about their vaccination status, would they?

  20. To sum up, the beatings will continue until morale improves. Got it.

  21. Resist we much!

  22. I hear they are repurposing the Hawaii leper colony.

  23. Am I guessing that this directive?suggestion?mandate? is the response to the Omicron spreading. What is a leader to do? Tell people to pray? Pretend it is not happening? You have to do something.
    A total lockdown where nobody can even go out except to take turns shopping for food would be even less popular.

  24. "Postive" test.... From a test that can't test for a virus. Results which "say" your sick... Even though u feel fine. For the first time in the history of man... Healthy folks "can" make unhealthy folks... "Sick". Something really REALLY f-ing EVIL is a floating about. Let us all hope the Bible prophecy of the great Harvest is true. As these stupid ass sheeple need to go.
    The Phucko Knows

  25. "They" are screwing themselves. The next time there's some sort of national calamity "they" shouldn't count on much support from the people. Trust and confidence has been lost in government/law enforcement/media/judiciary/"science" at any and all levels. We now see these organizations' true colors, and those colors aren't pretty. They don't work for us, and they don't care for us. Keep that in mind when "they" ask your support. Fuck them.

  26. Get the real time US lightning map at lightningmaps . org and listen to 9.45 MHz AM mode.

    A real education

  27. New York Is Trying To Punish Its Way to 100% of people getting government benefits and sheep.
    ...anyone with a brain has left or is leaving.

  28. If I had gotten 3 smallpox vaccinations in < 1 year and still got smallpox, I'd have some serious questions .. and it wouldn't be for the people who didn't take it, but for the people selling and pushing the "cure".

  29. There is a lot of talk about a coming civil war. That’s nonsense. It will be unnecessary. Blue states will institute travel bans to keep out ‘unclean’ people from red states who haven’t had the requisite 37 boosters. They will effectively separate themselves like the Confederacy tried to do in 1861 but, unlike the Union, the red states will gladly let them without firing a shot.

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