Terrorwashing a Genocide
How the war on terror facilitated Communist China's repression of Uyghurs

In 2002, the United States sent 22 Uyghur men to Guantanamo Bay, where they joined more than 700 other detainees living beyond the comforts of the Geneva Convention. The men were Chinese citizens who U.S. intelligence believed had received weapons training in Afghanistan, and the U.S. military had advertised $5,000 a head for their capture on leaflets circulated among bounty hunters in Pakistan. After their camp in Afghanistan was bombed in the early days of the American invasion, 18 of the men spent months hiding in the caves of Tora Bora, hoping to return to China. When they finally made it across the border to Pakistan, their mountain guides lured them to a mosque, where they were turned over to U.S. forces and flown to Gitmo.
Years passed. After a series of tribunals in the mid-2000s, the military concluded that none of the detained men was an enemy combatant. None could be charged with a crime under U.S. law. Until their detention, none had even heard of Al Qaeda, the great enemy of America with whom their obscure militant group was meant to be closely allied. The prisoners "only have one enemy, and that's the Chinese," one of the detainees told a tribunal in 2004. "They have been torturing us and killing us all: old, young, men, women, little children, and unborn children."
Something had clearly gone amiss. Yet the prospect of bringing the detainees into the U.S. was unthinkable to military and political leaders, even after a federal district court judge ordered some of the men released. Nor could they be shipped to China, to be forcibly disappeared inside an opaque prison system where political dissidents are routinely executed. (Although the exact figure is a state secret, China kills thousands of prisoners every year, several times the number of executions performed by the rest of the world combined.)
Small countries eventually stepped in to resolve what had become a very American paradox of habeas corpus. In 2006, Albania accepted five of the men. In 2009, four more—the youngest of whom, at 30, had been in prison since he was 23—found asylum in Bermuda. That same year, many of the remaining Uyghurs were temporarily resettled in the small Pacific island nation of Palau, although one man was rejected because he had developed a debilitating mental disorder at Guantanamo that Palauan hospitals were not equipped to treat. Finally, after more than a decade in detention, the last three detainees were accepted in 2013 by Slovakia.
At the time, critics saw the odyssey of Guantanamo's Uyghur detainees as an indictment of the U.S. war on terror. In the light of more recent events, that same odyssey now reads like a fable of Uyghur life under a global war on terror—an early chapter in the story of an ethnic minority willfully misconstrued by powerful nation-states, their threat to imperial expansion obscenely exaggerated.
Both stories involve post-9/11 forms of cross-border policing as well as new ways of constructing fugitive populations on which to test them. The difference is that what was once an American obsession is now an international one. "Terrorism" has become the opportunistic cover for governments around the world looking to subdue any kind of non-state agitator: ethnic nationalists in Russia, pirates in Indonesia, environmentalists in the Philippines, Kurdish revolutionaries in Turkey. There is hardly a government anywhere that has not adopted some feature of the war on terror, from its ideological abstractions of good and evil to the special permissions it grants states to monitor and control citizens.
The evolution is nowhere so stark as in China's Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, a frontier territory whose minority Uyghur population is almost certainly the most monitored and controlled on the planet. How did it happen that, at the dawn of the war on terror, the United States came to target 22 men from China who had never heard of Al Qaeda or committed any crime against the U.S. and who were not terrorists under any country's definition of the term? How did it then come to pass that the ethnic identity these men shared became criminalized in a sparsely populated region of China, where 12 million Uyghur residents are now subject to mass incarceration, totalitarian surveillance, and forced sterilizations?
In The War on the Uyghurs, Sean Roberts begins the arduous task of probing these and other mysteries of the first two decades of the global war on terror. In doing so, he shows how the United States' efforts to build an international consensus for its counterterrorism projects had far-reaching consequences on the other side of the world, changing the relationship between the Chinese state and its long-oppressed Uyghur minority. He also shows how, during that same period—apart from any Western influence—the Chinese government became increasingly brazen in its oppression of Muslim and Turkic minorities, steadily curtailing freedoms of movement, assembly, and speech in Xinjiang long before the moment in 2016 when it began secretly interning hundreds of thousands of people in extrajudicial "Transformation Through Education" centers.
The director of the International Development Studies program at George Washington University's Elliott School of International Affairs, Roberts is also an anthropologist who began visiting the Uyghur homeland—many residents prefer the name East Turkestan over Xinjiang, a Qing-era colonial term that means "New Frontier"—in 1990. Drawing on decades of research, fieldwork, and media analysis, his book is an excellent introduction to the modern political history of the region. The War on the Uyghurs is comprehensive yet lucid, and the writing never feels stiff or academic. Although there are references to Agamben's homo sacer and Foucault's biopolitics, Roberts' analysis is not explicitly theory-driven. At the same time, the history he presents is clearly informed by ideas about power and administration that emerged from efforts to understand the authoritarian governments of the previous century and the high-tech surveillance states of this one.
It is tempting to think of Xinjiang as a vast and arid Guantanamo Bay, one roughly as large as Alaska and as populous as Texas. Like Donald Rumsfeld's own "world-class operation," on a much grander (albeit largely domestic) scale, it is a hypertrophied state-within-a-state where minority residents are guilty before judgment and where the rule of law is reengineered in the name of fighting a pervasive, unbounded, and infinitely flexible terrorist threat. According to Darren Byler, another scholar of the region, China's counterterrorism campaign in Xinjiang "rests on the assumption that most Uyghurs and significant numbers of Kazakhs are terrorists, separatists, and extremists-in-waiting." But while Guantanamo Bay's purpose is containment, Xin-jiang's state of exception is intended to cure a diseased population. This philosophy is made explicit in government statements dating to the 2014 start of China's "People's War on Terror." In the words of one 2015 report from Hotan City, anyone whose thinking has been "deeply affected" by "religious extremism" must be transformed through "military-style management."
Roberts argues that this state of exception is facilitating cultural genocide. In addition to the system of extrajudicial detention that has incarcerated hundreds of thousands of people—possibly more than a million—in camps, more than 300,000 residents have also received formal prison sentences in the last three years, an order of magnitude more than in previous periods. An entire generation of Uyghur academics, artists, and businesspeople has disappeared, probably into prisons; they include internationally respected anthropologists, poets, comedians, novelists, and economists. There have been many credible reports of torture, sexual violence, and forced sterilization among Xinjiang's minority population. Children are routinely taken from detained parents and placed in state orphanages where minority language and culture are demonized. And more than a million Communist Party cadres have been sent to live temporarily with Uyghur and Kazakh families, where they perform searches of homes, lecture their hosts on the dangers of Islam, and even sleep in the same beds as their "brothers" and "sisters." Meanwhile, birth rates have plummeted in minority areas. The end result, scholars and activists fear, will be the eradication of Uyghurs as a distinct people.
Except for a comprehensive final chapter on events since 2017, The War on the Uyghurs is less about the contemporary threat of cultural genocide than it is about the years of buildup that preceded it. The book forms a kind of historical prologue to the stories from Xinjiang that we journalists tend to focus our attentions on. Such a prologue is especially valuable to general readers seeking an understanding of the region that goes beyond news stories, where, for reasons of space or lack of expertise, regional history is often thin. (Sometimes it is contained entirely within a single adjective, "restive.")
Roberts spent six years as the United Nations special rapporteur on human rights and counterterrorism, and the question of what counts as "terrorism"—who gets to define it and how—animates the book more than any other. For Roberts, terrorism requires the deliberate targeting of civilians. While Xinjiang has seen no shortage of violence described by Chinese authorities as "terrorism" in recent decades, only a handful of incidents would qualify under his definition. On the contrary, he argues that the threat of terrorism presented by Uyghur jihadists was non-existent before 2013 and has remained minimal ever since.
It's true that small numbers of Uyghurs have sometimes pushed for political independence in their homeland, even founding two short-lived Republics of East Turkestan in the years before China's Communist revolution. But in case after case, Roberts shows, the Chinese government has used deceptive framing, official secrecy, and the framework of the war on terror to artificially inflate the danger of Uyghur separatism in order to justify increasingly ruthless policies in Xinjiang. "Often," he writes, "what was framed as a 'terrorist attack' by authorities at this time was really armed self-defense against police and security forces, which were seeking to aggressively apprehend Uyghurs they viewed as 'disloyal' to the state, often merely determined by their religiosity."
In one much-publicized case, an alleged series of attacks on security forces in 2011 was treated as organized terrorism sponsored from abroad; the Chinese government even went so far as to criticize Pakistan, a close ally, for harboring Uyghur terrorists. But the details grow strange under scrutiny. The attacks appear to have been inspired by a ban on veiling and the wearing of black clothing among Uyghur women. Of the 18 confirmed dead, 14 were the alleged attackers themselves, and—unusually for an attack of this scale—no group ever claimed responsibility. One Uyghur witness told The Wall Street Journal that "they say the people came from Pakistan; they say they were international terrorists, but that's not true; they were local people angry with the government and with the Han Chinese."
Roberts describes dozens of similar cases. He cites another 2011 "terrorist attack" that amounted to a shootout between police and a group of Uyghur men attempting to leave the country, and a 2012 raid of an "illegal religious gathering" that in reality may have been a normal prayer group the police interrupted before shooting four people dead. Far from any organized insurgency, the growing violence in the Uyghur homeland seems to have resulted from constant incursions by security forces into private and public Uyghur spaces; in one case officers conducting a household search lifted a woman's veil against her will, prompting a violent response from the men in the household that left 16 Uyghurs dead, including six women.
The labeling of such incidents as acts of terror was no accident. With the start of the war on terror, a new field of foreign "terrorism experts" in the United States and Europe began to rely on Chinese state materials on Xinjiang as part of a global assessment of terrorist groups. These "experts" often took Chinese authorities at their word about the urgent risk posed by Uyghur separatism while ignoring regional experts who for the most part viewed any separatist risk as remote. Roberts singles out one notorious target of government anxieties—the East Turkestan Independence Movement, or ETIM—for special scrutiny. This happens to be the group to which the 22 Uyghur men detained at Guantanamo allegedly belonged.
In Roberts' view, ETIM was a "phantom terrorist group." Although a group commonly identified as ETIM did release propaganda videos in the early 2000s showing a dozen men training with rifles and guns, their members never called themselves by that name, and Roberts finds little evidence that the group existed in more than the barest sense of the word. ETIM and its members performed no confirmed acts of militancy inside China or anywhere else. The group never claimed responsibility for an act of violence. And it remains virtually unknown among Uyghurs in China, with "very little if any impact inside the Uyghur homeland."
Yet in 2002, the U.S. and U.N. both declared ETIM a terrorist organization. Within two years its leader was dead and its members decimated. Since then, Chinese state media has denounced the phantom threat as the "black hand" behind almost all acts of violence in Xinjiang "for decades."
With unprecedented detail, Roberts shows how ETIM's image in the eyes of the international intelligence community went from a ragtag nonentity to a well-funded terrorist conspiracy. He provides suggestive evidence that the U.S., which initially dismissed China's claims about ETIM as politically motivated, reversed its conclusions in order to secure China's support on the U.N. Security Council in the weeks before the U.S. pleaded its case for the invasion of Iraq.
As late as December 2001, the U.S. State Department refused to accept China's branding of Uyghur dissent as a "terrorist threat"; a U.S. representative suggested at the time that "the legitimate economic and social issues that confront people in Northwestern China" should be solved "politically rather than using counterterrorism methods." By mid-2002, the story had changed. The U.S. was by then anxious to forestall any objections from China concerning its pre-emptive strikes in the Middle East. Western "experts" needed no further prompting to produce all the evidence required to treat ETIM as a significant threat to Chinese stability.
Some of these experts claimed that ETIM was underwritten by Al Qaeda, and this may have been the link that doomed them. Roberts finds no convincing evidence the connection was real. Indeed, the organization seems to have denounced 9/11 and rejected any connection to the Taliban or Al Qaeda. Even calling ETIM an "organization" appears to oversell its status, Roberts writes: "I would argue that the available information about [leader Häsän] Mäkhsum's group suggests that it was not an organization at all, but a failed attempt to create a militant movement."
The Uyghurs who ended up in Guantanamo Bay had indeed "trained" in an ETIM camp—in addition to morning jogs, there was one Kalashnikov, which they took turns shooting—but they did not appear to understand themselves as belonging to a particular militant group. Most had ended up in Afghanistan looking for a safe place to live after leaving Kyrgyzstan and Pakistan over fears they would be extradited. To be labeled a "terrorist" in the global war on terror, however, is to become a figure with no legitimate political grievances.
As the war on terror escalated outside of China, state-conjured threats of separatism led to harsher policies in Xin-jiang. Roberts argues that this environment created a "self-fulfilling prophecy" where state tactics made spontaneous acts of rage and violence—eventually including genuine acts of terrorism, such as a coordinated knife attack in Kunming in 2014—all but inevitable, retroactively justifying the policies that caused the violence in the first place. As with the insurgent subjects of European colonialism, the Uyghur "problem" may be best understood as an unwieldy state force in search of a subject upon which to exert itself.
With its rare abundance of Uyghur-language sources, The War on the Uyghurs pairs well with Eurasian Crossroads, James Millward's brilliant longue durée history of Xinjiang. Elsewhere, Millward has said he is increasingly convinced that colonialism is a useful lens through which to understand Xinjiang since the late Qing era. Roberts, with his focus on more recent history, does not hesitate to describe Xin-jiang in settler-colonial terms, placing him in agreement with several other mainstream scholars of Central Asia, including Byler, Justin Jacobs, Dibyesh Anand, and Eric Schluessel. While often acknowledging the differences between Xinjiang and classical cases of European colonialism, these scholars have highlighted resource extraction, the Chinese state's domination of local politics, and the conscious destruction, displacement, or assimilation of indigenous populations.
Some Chinese Communist Party mouthpieces have defended policies in Xinjiang by arguing that the United States—a powerful and belligerent critic of China's domestic policies—has behaved with as much cruelty and force toward its own native populations. Roberts recalls a defensive message he received claiming that China's policies were justified because "the US had done the same thing to Native Americans." Yet it is precisely the similarities between the Uyghurs and other indigenous and native peoples that render their situation so acutely indefensible. Global norms have shifted in recent decades toward the recognition of indigenous rights, including the right to self-determination. China may not recognize the existence of indigenous people within its borders, but in 2007 the state voted in favor of the U.N. Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People. The U.S., which initially voted against the declaration, later reversed its decision.
Such instruments are part of a rising awareness that the destruction of a people or their way of life is never justifiable, whether in the name of modernization and development or, in the case of Xinjiang, in the name of securitization. Roberts' central argument is that the eradication of Uyghur life is facilitated less by any Chinese notion of manifest destiny than by the ideology of the war on terror and the infinite pliancy of a counterterrorism effort that justifies any policy and terrorwashes any law—including those once used to "civilize" the natives.
The War on the Uyghurs: China's Internal Campaign Against a Muslim Minority, by Sean R. Roberts, Princeton University Press, 328 pages, $29.95
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Does anyone seriously doubt the malignant and vile nature of those red communist Chinese bastards? They will seek to do the same with us, if we are ever dumb enough to let down our guard.
If you don't see that....get your head examined.
"the US had done the same thing to Native Americans."
One might conclude that the ongoing Narrative that 'white men exterminated the Indians' isn't a legitimate cry to save the Indians as much as it is a cover for the extermination of anti-socialist belligerents in the modern era, both here and abroad.
That the ongoing Narrative of holding countries to responsible *relative* to the lowest common denominator (throughout all of history) rather than absolutely to the highest, ensures that the lowest common denominator will be what gets enforced by and against the largest governing body or bodies.
Almost like the goal isn't progress, but control; even brutal oppression.
Can't wait until the US becomes a plurality/majority-minority country and it is suddenly discovered that brown people wiped out *far* more red people than the white people did (Seriously, the reduction in Brazil's native population alone accounts for more than the largest estimates of total native inhabitants of N. Am.)
The politics of brown vs red has long been an entertaining side show in places like New Mexico. As soon as whites can't be blamed for everything, any POC truce will break up, and we can revert to conquistadors vs injuns.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-08-03-mn-22998-story.html
Blacks Dominate Postal Service, Latino Charges : Jobs: Tirso del Junco, head of agency’s board of governors, says management “must open the doors of opportunity to everyone.”
Blacks-v/s-Hispanics job-ops fighting is old news by now...
Yeah, some in California were rather upset when Newsom picked Alex Padilla to replace Harris in the Senate.
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Oh, but the Conquistadors *are* white. They're just a different kind of white.
No, I totally agree and it's been amusing over the years watching the shuffling of grievances as a New Mexican.
And anyone with a last name containing "Cortez" should probably be the first to be hit up for reparations.
Oñate. That one will actually still get people around here really angry.
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"That the ongoing Narrative of holding countries to responsible *relative* to the lowest common denominator (throughout all of history) rather than absolutely to the highest, ensures that the lowest common denominator will be what gets enforced by and against the largest governing body or bodies."
Slightly long-winded, mad.casual, but your sentiments are good and true, in this case! Shorter version: "I should get away with being a shit-head, 'cause LOOK OVER THERE! (Or back there in time, even). Them-not-us... There are (or were) bigger shitheads them me, so leave me alone! Or even VERY short: "Whataboutism".
Which brings up the topic of:
NY Times (NYT) can be punished for what someone ELSE wrote in a letter-to-the-editor in their hardcopy rag! An injustice, to be “fixed” by punishing Facebook for the same kind of offenses! Hey: Tear down Section 230 to “fix” this? Or REALLY fix it by adding a “Section 230 for hardcopy rags”?
In 1850, I imagine that perhaps some people in the USA were saying it isn’t fair that white folks hold black folks as slaves. Let’s “fix” it by having a bunch of black folks hold white slaves, too!
What kind of EVIL person fixes injustice by widening the spread of more injustice of the same kind? HOW does this “fix” ANYTHING?!?!
Speaking of neologistic handwaving.
"The NYT was once held responsible for something someone else printed in their paper without their knowledge or permission, so we should protect Facebook for publishing information they know is false and censoring information they know to be true (or have tried and can't prove to be untrue), but don't like."
Sooo… Your “fix” to all of this is to punish “publishers” (web sites) for the content generated by OTHER people? Those who post?
SOME people here have argued that, since there has been at least one (several?) case(s) of hardcopy rags (newspapers) sued FOR THE WRITINGS OF OTHERS, namely letter-to-the-editor writers (it was all well and good to authoritarians that SOME people got punished for the writings of OTHER people), then the proper fix MUST be to perpetrate / perpetuate this obvious injustice right on over to the internet domain!
This is like arguing that the “fix” for a cop strangling to death, a black man (Eric Garner) on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies” is, not to STOP the injustice, but rather, to go and find some White and Hispanic and Asian men as well, and strangle them, as well, on suspicion of wanting to sell “loosies”! THAT will make it all “fair”!
WHEN will authoritarians see and acknowledge their power-pig fascism?!?!
I am lusting after the day when they punish Casually Mad for what horrible things that ***I*** have written! If THAT is what it takes, for Casually Mad to see, recognize, and KNOW injustice, for what it is, then... Bring it ON, baby!!!
"Not protecting police = strangling civilians" - SQRLSY One
I mean, I certainly think the American people behaved execrably towards the native population. To some extent, 250 years ago, to some extent 150 years ago, and to some extent 50 years ago, though in generally different ways.
But that's the point with regards to the Chinese. Do they really want to claim that they're 50 or 150 years behind us?
Also, leave it to the CCP to make me sympathetic towards Islamic terrorists.
I mean, I certainly think the American people behaved execrably towards the native population.
I believe people should be judged by the moral standards of their time, not ours. That's what CRT is all about. Judging the past by the standards of today.
It’s about blaming the living for the sins of the past.
Bingo.
This, I tell people all the time the english/French based territories try to appease and atone for what their ancestors did, the Spanish and Portuguese say "yeah we genocide them good"
Jeff does. He has said repeatedly we shouldn't do anything to China except allow individuals to choose to not buy from them. Basically inferring the government shouldn't even have moral issues with trade with China.
"Governments", like all organizations, are incapable of having moral issues. The people running an institution, like all people, do have opinions, but the people running those institutions change all the time.
Government is not society. Government is not the nation. Saying government should have a moral position equates to saying government speaks for everybody, and then you're down the road to Biden claiming a mandate to rework the economy per the Green New Deal.
Agreed and well written!
Furthermore, using constrictions on international free trade to "punish" bad actors gets very dicey. Both sides lose trade wars, just like shooting wars. Here, below, see trade between Mainland China and Taiwan much-so mentioned... A casual glance at the title (below) doesn't reveal it, but, TRADE is a big issue here! Last but not least, more trade inter-dependencies means shooting wars become less likely, more painful, less palatable... V/S... Where good and services don't travel, boots and armies soon might!
https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/26/asia/taiwan-hong-kong-china-opposition-intl-hnk-dst/index.html
Why wiping out Hong Kong's opposition may have cost China a whole generation in Taiwan
Government is not society. Government is not the nation.
Not any government. But a government of, for, and by the people is, or should be.
The alternative, a government detached from all morality, isn't exactly a de facto better option than one whimsically beholden to morality.
Your worry is misplaced. It's not the Chinese who will do this to us, it's the American/global left.
https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1464614115587108868?t=4Uf85dSi2ZTXduHJ5IlVeQ&s=19
1982 interview w Larry Grathwohl who infiltrated the Weather Underground: "I asked, 'what is going to happen to those we can’t reeducate, capitalists?'..the reply was they’d have to be eliminated..they estimated they'd have to eliminate 25 million ppl in these reeducation centers
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Best to remember that the Weather Underground members, including Ayers, almost all went into K-12 education activism after their spree of violence didn't return successful results. These are the people who set the stage for how your kids are being "educated" in Woke schools.
Nardz, hopefully the push to individualize education by enabling parents to educate children at home will really make a difference here.
Fantasize all you want, it's not gonna happen.
The Chinese have a culture of repression and control and strict adherence to authority, so what can you do? It's their culture and we have no right to judge them by our cultural standards. White Europeans have committed the same sorts of atrocities and their progeny in the United States are still committing those atrocities to this very day. We should look to the beam in our eye before looking to the mote in others - sure the Chinese have killed millions and millions of their own people, but we still use racist terms like "black board" so it's pretty much the same thing.
The "progeny of White Europeans"? You must be referring to American progressives, who are the only group talking about de-legitimizing uncooperative people and putting undesirables in camps.
Nobody is talking about putting people in camps. That’s right-wing paranoia you are reporting as if it were fact.
Ever hear of Australia?
No, Mikee, you are wrong again. Democrats have talked about camps for dissenters. Australia actually does have internment camps run by the military for COVID dissenters.
Cite?
LOL
You're such a malinformed idiot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/20/world/australia/howard-springs-quarantine.html
You're such a malinformed idiot.
Malinformed is undue good faith. He's a willfully self-retarding moron.
You could have just said he’s a leftist.
This seems to be the Australian thing you are referring to. Besides the problem with your narrative that it’s not a “camp for dissenters”, how do you know it was put in place by progressives?
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/27/charlie-kirk-show/australias-quarantine-facilities-are-travelers-not/
Oh well if the Democratic Party's Politifact says it...
*reads link*
You do realize that (1) the Charlie Kirk Show is the only thing addressed, that (2) the article is more than a month old, and (3) contrary to the article it's Victoria, not Queensland, that is the state interning Australians.
What was happening in the NT's remote communities was an extremely alarming level of hesitancy along with households sometimes in excess of 20 and social distancing anathema to the very communal lifestyle of indigenous Australians. The quarantine centre is the one that returning Australians stayed in for their 14 days. And the army
"Army Aboriginal Community Assistance Programme
We work with the Australian Army to improve health and living conditions in remote communities in northern and central Australia.
Each year the Army Aboriginal Community Assistance Programme (AACAP) works with a remote community to build things like community centres, roads, sewerage treatment plants and health clinics. Army medical staff also provide health checks for locals.
This improves health and living standards in the community as well as creating job and training opportunities for locals."
Since 1997.
But Victoria, the rest of Australia calls the Premier Chairman Dan. Monstrous public housing multi-storey blocks from the last century with tiny windows, no balconies, extremely poor ventilation. Some apartments of 2 or 3 bedrooms families of 10 or more. And at 4.00pm on a Sunday the police turned up and barricaded the doors, no one permitted to leave, those returning from work could enter but then not leave. It was several days before they started allowing charities to drop food parcels nappies etc.
So Chairman Dan, of the hard left of the Australian polity.
Looked it up. It was passed by the Queensland Labor Party, who have a slight majority of “Labor-Right” members, who sound like they are like our centrist Democrats.
This is how you know he lies about muting ML. Gets called out then pretends he did research. Then figures out a way he can protect progressives.
Actually, reading more about them “Labor-Right” sound more like centrist Republicans. This is the problem, of course, of trying to map some other country’s political factions to America’s.
Certainly not clear at all, mate, that the Queensland camps are the work of Australian “progressives”.
I did a bit of research on these "camps" and they're mere quarantine sites. People have been using quarantines for centuries. That's when people have to sit it out for a while when they first enter the country, to prove they're not sick. Then they're free to go. I mean, duh. Only a conservative could spin quarantine to mean concentration camp with all the deadly connotations.
You don't use quarantine camps for something as minor as Covid, you fascist twat.
They're an artifact in the west from immigration a century ago, and with the onslaught of proper testing weren't even used for Aids, Ebola or H1N1.
Your innate authoritarianism is shining through in that post.
Anything for Sarc to twist things around to protect his precious democrats.
Plus this conversation somehow went from one person pointing the finger at American progressives to another claiming proof of that accusation is Australian concentration camps.
Their trains of thought don’t seem to be running on a track.
Uh, no, you were the one who brought up Progressives.
Not so:
https://reason.com/2021/11/27/terrorwashing-a-genocide/?comments=true#comment-9230691
Wonderful! Hihn-shit link to the same thread!
Fuck off and die
What is it with the left and trains?
Hey, that's my line!
This place is an asylum, and the inmates are in charge. The stupidity is mind numbing. It's not even entertaining.
More projection?
Eat shit, nazi fag
Mere forced quarantine sites huh? For a disease that vaccines don't control and has a 99.9% survival rate with the vast majority having no ill effects?
Fuck off.
“….people have to sit it out for a while…”
How long of a while, sarc? Until they submit to the jab? As far as I know these people aren’t even sick, and haven’t traveled out of Australia. “Just chill for a while so we can be sure” doesn’t even make sense here. Sure of what? And they’re not applying for citizenship in a new country that might not be equipped to deal with whatever malady they may be bringing with them from their homelands.
Goddamn dude, if you don’t like being called a leftist just stick to taxes. At least you make sense there.
Nice try at dissembling Mike.
However, Wikipedia's infobox says they are; "Political position-Centre to centre-left".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_Right
Not to mention that the Australian Labor party itself, and not the tiny bit you're dishonestly focusing on, is "the major centre-left political party in Australia, one of two major parties in Australian politics,[6] opposing the centre-right Liberal Party of Australia."
You're such a dishonest fuck. Everything you do is lies.
Stalin would be proud of Mike.
He would have been proud, then he would have disappeared him.
You first said "Nobody is talking about putting people in camps".
Now you've changed it to "how do you know it was put in place by progressives?"
Sorry, Mikee, you don't get to change the strawman like that.
Recheck your timeline:
https://reason.com/2021/11/27/terrorwashing-a-genocide/?comments=true#comment-9230691
Why is your only concern protecting progressives?
Because it's an evil piece of shit that is an active threat to us all
No dude, it's a fact. Progressives are Nazis who will exterminate anyone who doesn't support the Green New Deal if they gain power. The only way to stop them is to exterminate them first. Haven't you learned anything from Ken? Or am I thinking about the Daleks...
I know you're auditioning to be White Mike's simp, but Australia is definitely herding people into camps and Canada is building them, and you're a creepy little fuck for pretending it's not happening.
Have you ever noticed how Sarcand ML have this tendency to show up together on the same thread within a short timeframe? Somehow Chemjeff and the others can’t seem to master that neat trick.
Yes, I have noticed that. I like sarcasmic, so I look for his comments and reply to them, so that he gets to converse with someone when he is here
I like sarcasmic
Not in the same way sarc likes you. He's a lonely, horny man Dee, and you're just stringing him along.
Ken is an unheralded master of logic and factuality. Oh, wait, he heralds himself all the time.
Why are you harassing and trolling Ken all the time? He's been nothing but polite to you, and you're always squealing about how you want comprehensive answers which is what Ken always provides.
I think you're just furious because he so effectively rebuts the DNC propaganda that you're always trying to push here.
It’s all driven by envy.
Oh and they both have a thing for Ken—one of the anti-progs who’s quite critical of Trump…
Ken is critical of Trump? Ha ha ha ha ha
He's so into logic that he mutes anyone who parses out the logic of his words.
So you're accusing him of doing exactly what you have openly boasted of doing many times here yourself.
You're like your own parody.
Come on. These people were obviously terrorists. After all, they CROSSED STATE LINES.
No, they crossed national borders, which is totally fine!
I'm so confused. I need OBL to come tell me what I should think about this.
My new hero is the Nantucket man who gave Sleepy Joe the middle finger:
https://nypost.com/2021/11/25/nantucket-man-reportedly-gives-joe-biden-the-finger/
Hats off to you sir! And it's hilarious how Nantucket is like the liberal's version of Mecca, only Muslims are only required to make one pilgrimage there in their lifetime, liberal politicians are apparently required to pilgrimage to Nantucket every year.
Fuck Joe Biden, Let's Go Brandon.
Ha! Look at those thin turnouts waving to SleepyJoe. Trump would have a yuge crowd.
The yugest!
I called Psaki asking her what the time the Biden rally was being held. She replied, “When can you get here?”
Bring your own beer, we'll have your vote waiting for you.
Hmm, powerful single-party socialist state, with favored mega-corporate partners including tightly-controlled media and tech? And then they use that massive state power to annihilate dissenting groups, while the compliant masses echo whatever the ruling elites demand, in exchange for middle class comforts?
That could never happen here.
This right-wing narrative doesn’t square with the likelihood that the Republican Party is going to take back the House in the next election.
Are you agreeing that the dems would indeed act like to commies if not for the republicans?
I bet that just kills you, doesn't it Mike. Don't worry. I'm sure your party will fortify the fuck out of it again.
Dee must have consumed a ton of turkey, she’s squawking even more than normal today.
She had a cawnucopia of leftovers. And is now squawking a cawcawphony of gibberish.
An excellent post. I won't resist pointing out that in the 2007 Supreme Court decision BOUMEDIENE ET AL. v. BUSH, which held, by a 5-4 liberal conservative split, that foreigners locked up in Guantanamo were in fact people was met by outrage by dissenting conservative stalwarts CJ Roberts and JJ Scalia and Thomas.
I remember that. I was listening to conservative talk radio at the time and they went ballistic. Anyone suspected of terrorism was to be locked up for life without a trial. Torture was totally acceptable and encouraged if just one American life was saved. After all, it's not like moozlims are human beings.
You don't remember fuck, aside from the fact that you are hoping to use his post to give the Democrats a boost and earn headpats from Jeff and Mike.
Regarding Roberts' dissent:
"Chief Justice Roberts' dissent focused on whether the process afforded the Guantanamo detainees in the Detainee Treatment Act were an adequate substitute for the Habeas protections the Constitution guaranteed. By arguing in the affirmative, he implied that the issue of whether the detainees had any Suspension Clause rights was moot (since, if they did, he found that those rights were not violated anyway). This line of reasoning was arguably more in line with the plain reading of Johnson v. Eisentrager (1950) (which denied German prisoners of war habeas rights primarily due to both practical logistical concerns and the determination that they had been afforded an adequate substitute: traditional military war crimes trials, which complied with the Geneva Conventions) than that of Justice Scalia, and also avoided the more controversial and complicated issue of whether the detainees were entitled to file habeas petitions in the first place."
And a well regulated social media, being necessary for the security of the narrative, is an adequate substitute for the First Amendment, don't you think?
Common sense pun control. 🙁
They're unfortunate to have a name that sounds like "wiggers". I think that's actually a substantial reason they're not taken more seriously by English speakers.
Are they trying to culturally appropriate whites that attempted to culturally appropriate blacks? Far from being Nice, Nice Baby. Do do do do do-do do do.
In other words, be careful what you wish for, you just might get it. The US wished for a global war on terror, and the Chinese helped, and now the US cries foul.
That wasn't what we meant!" rings hollow.
It applies to everything government does, from financing a transcontinental railroad to starting wars with pipsqueaks which oughtn't supposed to be able to fight back. There are always unintended consequences, and it doesn't take much imagination to think that even if they weren't intended, they sure are welcomed by those who wish to Grow The State.
"That wasn't what we meant!" rings hollow.
"I was against the war on terror until the Chinese joined and, incidentally, fucked the GOP. Now, I'm 100% on board. Torturing people to save lives? How blase. Torture people to spite Republicans, I say."
With principled pacifists like you, who needs warmongers?
Does this article really exist? I've been assured so many times in these comments that Reason loves Commies and has never acknowledged Chinese repression. This article completely goes against the narrative of what Reason is about. How can this be?
Does this comment really exist?
Sarcasmic will never intentionally let anyone know he has read it, only that he is aware of it, that he has muted me at my request, unintentionally letting everyone know he is curious about what he has muted, leading to the suspicion that he regularly does logout to see muted comments.
No, it does not. Go back to sleep.
Does this article make you mad White Mike. Four years later kind of destroys your earlier arguments that it wasn't real and didn't matter.
Dude, it's like noon.
How do I know what time zone contains whatever progressive hellhole an obvious progressive like you lives in.
It's no secret that I live in Maine. And fuck you for calling me a progressive.
But you are. Youre defending government camps above you statist shit.
I've been assured so many times in these comments that Reason loves Commies and has never acknowledged Chinese repression.
After four years of ignoring it this is the very first article here at Reason specifically addressing THE premier libertarian issue globally. An actual genocide by the Chinese Communists.
This reinforces our earlier point, you terrific retard.
The fact that there were 24 articles on a minor Trump-supporting lawyers legal troubles and 165 articles by Sullum on Trump's election challenges demonstrate what a disgrace it is.
As for this article, kudos. It was long, long, long overdue.
Wait... What is this about Trump's lawyers? Maybe you could write some more on that topic....
It's not an article criticizing China, though it's an article criticizing the US
The whole premise is that it's the US's fault that China is doing this.
Basically it's from the Howard Zinn/Noam Chomsky school that some supposed libertarians believe in
Then senator Biden voted for this shit.
Fuck Joe Biden.
World famous economics guru, Sara Lee's Buttplug, swears to us that it's all an illusion, but;
U.S. inflation is one of the highest in the world
The only important inflation metric is the price of spittin’ tobaccy, and is only up mercifully 10¢ a pouch..
The United States isn't to blame for everything that goes wrong in the world. We certainly aren't responsible for the way the Chinese government mistreats their ethnic minorities. This is almost like some form of cultural elitism--to assume that everything the United States does is the first explanation for everything that happens. Are we responsible for the way the Chinese government has mistreated the people of Tibet and Hong Kong, too?
The techniques the Chinese communists adapted for political use were originally developed by Buddhist monasteries centuries ago to teach their pre-pubescent acolytes not to desire women, property, or anything else, and the Chinese communists have been using them for a very long time. Using reeducation camps was a big deal in China long before the War on Terror. It was a big deal in China by the real beginning of the Cold War.
And these mass thought control camps and techniques weren't just adapted for political use by Chinese communists in the middle part of the 20th century. They were also utilized by various cults--some of which made their way to the United States in the 1960s. It would be wrong to blame Buddhism for the way Chinese communists have misused their religious traditions, and it's absurd to blame the American War on Terror for the way China restarted education camps--something they were doing 50 years before the War on Terror even started.
For the record, China's reeducation camps were apparently repurposed for Xinjiang in 2014, but they official began in 1957, long before the War on Terror began, and they were still in continuous operation long after the War on Terror started, too.
"Active from 1957 to 2013, the system was used to detain persons who were accused of minor crimes such as petty theft, prostitution, and trafficking illegal drugs, as well as political dissidents, petitioners, and Falun Gong followers. It was separate from the much larger laogai [criminal justice] system of prison labor camps . . . .
While they were incarcerated, detainees were often subject to some form of political education. Estimates on the number of RTL detainees on any given year range from 190,000 to two million. In 2013, there were approximately 350 RTL camps in operation."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Re-education_through_labor
The camp system in Xinjiang was created in 2014, and it appears to have been the case that the personnel and resources they used for "political dissidents, petitioners, and Falun Gong followers" in 2012 were simply repurposed for Xinjiang in 2014. Reeducation wasn't something new. This is what they had been doing continuously since at least 1957.
I would actually argue the reverse. That China's social credit system and treatment of the Uighurs are influencing Blue State policymakers and the national Davoscrats in their treatment of the working class.
They're basically trying to do this with CRT and sensitivity training in the workplace. Gillespie keeps hyping a kinder, gentler form of employee training on race--that seems to conform to the kind of EST training that originated from the same religious tradition as the Chinese communists used as the basis for their thought control techniques. The government has no business trying to control our thoughts, and parents and employees are right to bristle against it.
Well, except unlike EST, the workplace programs will let you go take a pee when you need to…,
I certainly wouldn't say we're to blame for it, for the reasons you mentioned, but I think it's fair to say that we've provided them with some cover for it in the past two decades.
Not that they wouldn't have done it anyway. Just that it's hard to give them crap about it when it makes us look hypocritical.
Blaming America for everything bad that happens, either because of our actions or our inaction, is the real cover--it provides cover for those who want to make the U.S. government responsible for everything that either does or doesn't happen.
How often is it the case that people want us to believe we're to blame--so that we won't get involved? It certainly isn't the case with neoconservatives or progressives that they want us to take responsibility for what's happening in other parts of the world--for fear that we might do something to solve the problem.
They're almost always afraid that we might do nothing if we think we're not responsible.
Reminds me of the time Shreeka blamed Trump for India’s behavior.
I remember that!
These are the kinds of situations people get in when they pick their side of the issue first and look for justifications second. That's an easy way to write a college term paper, but it doesn't work in real life. They always end up painting themselves into a corner that way.
Not to mention trespassers at the U.S. Capitol and parents complaining to the Loudoun County School Board.
+1
But definitely not when a black Hebrew runs over a few dozen people of specific ethnic makeup....
I heard it was a red SUV. Apparently driverless.
Violent trespassers at the Capitol.
You are sick.
Evil. Pure evil.
You're not seriously going to maintain that violent trespassers are the only ones at the Capitol who are being called domestic terrorists, are you?
Yes, she is. They’re all dangerous insurrectionists who threatened the very existence of our democracy to her.
I’m not calling anyone a terrorist. I am pointing out that at least some of the trespassers were violent.
Talking about Kavanaugh? 2016 protests? Forcing the president into a bunker for blm fires?
Please keep up with current values. Womyns and POCs who disrupt and break shit (and threaten people) are heroes of the people expressing righteous morality via sacred speech. Redneck white men who do exactly the same are evil seditious Nazis who have violently threatened democracy.
None of which are things I have ever said.
There was far less violence at the capitol, and by fewer people, than in one day of rioting and looting in San Francisco this last week.
Why? Were 40 people hit by a truck in San Francisco last week?
You mean the white mob who attacked a black man and damaged his SUV?
He was surrounded by racists.
"Violent trespassers at the Capitol."
Lying piles of steaming lefty shit.
Facilitate is a reach and a prime example of wishful thinking -confusing one's opinion for fact, or one's theory for proof. If anyone thinks that Xinjiang wouldn't exist at the level it does w/o the GWOT stupidity involving Uighurs, they really need to think without their biases. China may have welcomed a bit of 'cover' from the West, but they have not historically required it to deprive citizens of basic human rights.
I am impressed with how the war on terror has moved on to tracking parents who don't want their kids taught to be racists in school..... All while completely ignoring a guy who mowed down 60 people, killing a half dozen in a rather explicit act of race-based terroristic violence.
But yeah, I guess we could obliquely tie the war on terror to a completely unconnected country that does not participate in our war on terror at all....
I mean, that other story is being covered to death, after all.
Yeah, but those people had it coming because of a jury verdict somewhere. Karma or something /s
They should not have been parading because Xmas is bad. And they were white.
Well there are diseased populations or groups given their actions historically on innocent peoples. In the US it is hard to not find certain groups who have had been a disaster on American's liberty and freedom.
Fuck the CCP.
Tibet, the Uighurs, Hong Kong, probably Taiwan soon, disappearances, 3-hours per week video game limit, ruining Hollywood because it’s so damn eager to kisses their racist asses despite its own wokeness—let’s face facts: the CCP utterly sucks. Fuck ‘em.
https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1464818773597331458?t=XbG3Du3fdfXrE_DGBlSe4A&s=19
Australian Northern Territory Chief Minister States He is Not Harming Aboriginal People, He is Protecting Them With Forced Vaccinations
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https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1464638657739079688?t=SkEsM2l7uDbVQ_30LM8Kdw&s=19
The Cult is getting crazier.
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https://twitter.com/sus__amogus/status/1464628691401650181?t=NkbV6GaJnix7vrqFXkAxhQ&s=19
Wikipedia says the idea of Cultural Marxism is a "conspiracy theory" now.
Compare the current live article to an archive of the 2014 version.
2014 today
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Yeah, it's totally the War on Terror and not that fact that virtually every giant corporation relies on China for both manufacturing and as a market to sell in.
Also you've completely overlooked what has been going on in Tibet, which is basically ethnic cleansing, if not actual genocide...that was going on before the War on Terror and about the only one who seems to care is Richard Gere, who has basically been blacklisted in Hollywood because of it
CCP banned a Simpsons episode… I think I see why (the banner is priceless)
https://twitter.com/hkfp/status/1464554470260424710?s=21
So the persecution of the Uighurs is Trump's fault.