The ACLU Thinks Kyle Rittenhouse's Civil Liberties Got Too Much Protection
The American Civil Liberties Union should not cavalierly take the side of prosecutors against the concept of self-defense.
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Kyle Rittenhouse, the 17-year-old who shot and killed two men during the riots in Kenosha, Wisconsin, last summer, was acquitted on Friday. Prosecutors had charged him with first-degree reckless homicide, first-degree intentional homicide, attempted first-degree intentional homicide, and two counts of first-degree recklessly endangering safety, but the jury was persuaded by Rittenhouse's argument that he acted in self-defense.
For anyone who had followed the trial closely, this outcome is unsurprising. The prosecution simply did not meet its burden of proof, and Rittenhouse's defense team presented considerable evidence that he reasonably feared for his life each time he pulled the trigger. A witness testified that Joseph Rosenbaum, the first man shot by Rittenhouse, had threatened Rittenhouse's life and was attempting to wrest control of Rittenhouse's AR-15. The second man, Anthony Huber, struck Rittenhouse with a skateboard. And the third man—Gaige Grosskreutz, who survived—admitted on the stand that he had first pointed his own gun at Rittenhouse; Rittenhouse shot him in response to this perceived threat. As former Rep. Justin Amash (L–Mich.) put it: "The Rittenhouse case was a clear case of self-defense based on the evidence presented. The initial media narrative was false. Justice prevailed."
Indeed, people who did not follow the trial closely, and instead relied on secondhand punditry from liberal media figures, probably missed some very basic facts about the case, including that it had little to do with race: Rittenhouse and all three of his victims were white. This is an important point that some mainstream media coverage continues to miss. At MSNBC, for instance, Ja'han Jones, a writer for show host Joy Reid's blog, reacted to the verdict by explicitly saying Rittenhouse's whiteness produced the acquittal:
The case had the makings of an acquittal before the trial even began. The outcome seemed clear even before an almost exclusively white jury pool was selected, even before Judge Bruce Schroeder created an uproar by ruling that the slain protesters could be referred to as "rioters" and "looters" but not "victims," even before Schroeder refused to punish Rittenhouse for what prosecutors said amounted to a violation of his bond conditions. Rittenhouse is a white teen who abides by white rules, and white people empathetic to those rules seemed poised to insulate him from repercussions.
Rep. Cori Bush (D–Mo.) described the verdict as "white supremacy in action":
The judge. The jury. The defendant.
It's white supremacy in action.
This system isn't built to hold white supremacists accountable. It's why Black and brown folks are brutalized and put in cages while white supremacist murderers walk free.
I'm hurt. I'm angry. I'm heartbroken.
— Cori Bush (@CoriBush) November 19, 2021
The accounts of former quarterback Colin Kaepernick and the Black Lives Matter movement made similar statements. These remarks all reek of ignorance: A jury acquitting a white defendant for killing two white men is hardly an example of white supremacy.
Perhaps it's not surprising that activists and Democratic politicians would reflexively cite white supremacy in a trial outcome that disappoints Team Blue. More troubling is the response to the verdict from an organization that should know better: the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). In a statement reacting to the verdict, ACLU-Wisconsin Interim Executive Director Shaadie Ali lamented the "deep roots of white supremacy" in Kenosha that prevented Rittenhouse from being "held responsible for his actions."
"Kyle Rittenhouse was a juvenile who traveled across state lines on a vigilante mission, was allowed by police to roam the streets of Kenosha with an assault rifle and ended up shooting three people and killing two," said Brandon Buskey, director of the ACLU's Criminal Law Reform Project. "These are the simple, tragic facts. His acquittal comes after an ACLU investigation exposing how Kenosha law enforcement used violence against protesters and drove them toward white militia groups, in ways that escalated tensions and almost certainly led to these shootings."
In a Twitter thread, the ACLU complained that Rittenhouse was not held accountable for his "conscious decision to travel across state lines and injure one person and take the lives of two people protesting the shooting of Jacob Blake by police."
Of course, it is not illegal to travel across state lines; the fact that Rittenhouse wandered outside the boundaries of his home and entered a neighboring municipality was irrelevant to the case. The jury did not agree with—and the facts of the case did not support—the claim that his decision to shoot three people was "conscious" in the sense that it was premeditated. He argued that he rationally believed his life was in imminent danger, and the surviving shooting victim provided testimony that supported this argument.
One might have expected that an organization dedicated to the preservation of civil liberties would not so cavalierly take the side of prosecutors against the concept of self-defense. In the past, the ACLU has done terrific work shining a light on prosecutorial misconduct—the tremendous power the state has to stack the deck against defendants. The ACLU purports to believe that all people, even the guilty, deserve due process protections. The organization is evidently outraged by the verdict: Is the ACLU outraged that the prosecutor tried to argue that Rittenhouse exercising his Miranda rights was evidence of his guilt?
It is not necessary to elevate Rittenhouse to hero status, or to agree with his very poor decision to involve himself in the Kenosha riots, to accept that the prosecution failed to prove the charges against him. Rittenhouse is now a free man—not because of white supremacy, or because the criminal justice system failed. Activists, politicians, and media figures who purport to care about civil liberties should work toward empowering other defendants to avail themselves of due process, rather than complain that in this one case, the prosecutors did not get its way.
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I hope he sues Cori Bush, Biden and everyone else who defamed him. Robby claiming his actions as a “very poor decision” is beyond the pale. You don’t know him or anything about him. Just like Joy Reid should keep her opinions to herself so should you.
It’s Kyle’s poor decision that caused Grosskreuz, Huber, and Rosenbaum to riot. It’s Kyle’s poor decision that Robby and the rest of the media run cover for Grosskreuz, Huber, and Rosenbaum to ‘peacefully protest’ by setting shit on fire and assaulting people. Because, after all, the adults are in charge and they can’t possibly be making poor decisions with obvious ramifications. It should be incumbent on the minor to make better judgments.
Welcome to the world of Millenial thought leaders.
Poor decision making? You are talking about the rioters, right?
Maybe in your twisted mindset that the rioter’s rights to vandalize, set ablaze businesses and let’s not forget looting is lawful and anyone standing up to these thugs with or without a gun are the villains, well I’m glad I don’t live in your mindset.
Check your sarc-o-meter. I’m just working from Robbie’s responsible, adult opinion that Kyle’s poor decision is the crux of the whole mess.
Rittenhouse is an idiot that punched a girl in the face and is on video saying he wants to shoot people he believes are shoplifters…if he were a Black teen like Trayvon Martin you wouldn’t support his right to self defense. In fact you nuts even thought Trayvon’s interest in guns meant he was a thug while Rittenhouse testified in court he bought an AR15 because he thought it was “cool”.
The video in question shows Rittenhouse defending female A(the short one) from female B(the tall one in the black jacket). Unfortunately there is no clear instigator of the fight between the two females although given that Rittenhouse and company were walking away before the fight breaks out, it is pretty clear that the tall female decided to continue the argument with insults at the very least. Failing to see the issue.
You must be one of those newfangled girl boys with a vagina and so you think it’s ok for males with vaginas to punch girls in the face?? Sorry, even males with vaginas can’t punch girls in the face…so maybe you made a mistake chopping your balls off. 😉
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Are you one of our regular leftist idiots? Or a new leftist idiot?
So you’re vocally against transgender men fighting women in MMA?
Equal rights is equal rights. If they “truly” believe in equality a woman has as much aright to get her ass kicked as a man does. Anything else is discrimination. Of course if they mean “equal” not “special”.
Haha, your tankie allies are dead and crippled, and the kid who plugged them walked free.
Cope, seethe, and dilate.
He says things about ‘you nuts’ that can’t even be remotely established as true even if it could be deciphered who those criticisms are aimed at. He’s arguing with the voices in his head. Best to just assume that any/all “truths” spoken are confined there.
“Female A” is, I understand, KR’s sister.
The video was taken by several males in a car who jumped KR after he swung at the girl. Just befor KR;s sister pushes her one says of the tall girl, “WHAT did she say?” So, yes, there seems to have been provocation. I don’t recall if the the fisticuffs began between the two girls before KR intervened.
Rittenhouse did not shoot said people, making it the opposite of probative.
Rittenhouse was attacked first, tried to flee from the confrontation, and finally killed the men who followed him in self defense. Treyvon Martin was offended that someone followed him on a public street, followed the guy back to his car, talking about murdering him with his girlfriend the whole way, and then ambushed him. He was killed by Zimmerman in self defense.
Martin is just like Rosenbaum, not Rittenhouse. His deliberate decision to provoke violence on an armed man for no reason was the cause of his death. Had he not been a thug, he would not be dead.
If Martin had been white (or if Zimmerman had darker skin), no one in the world would have cared about Martin’s death.
We have a Zimmerman groupie—known worldwide as a Zimmergirl!! Read the Sanford PD final report when they recommended manslaughter charges…because Zimmerman behaved like Rosenbaum and McMichael.
As supplemental reading you should read the jury’s final verdict.
Trayvon’s girlfriend made it very clear in two appearances on the Piers Morgan show, that that Trayvon walked calmly to the Brandy Green house where he was staying talking about whoever it was who had been watching him. Just as he was about to go in the Green house to give Chad Green his Skittles and finish watch the ball game, Rachel convinced him the guy had to be a homosexual and he should go back and “whoop ***” on him. Unfortunately, Trayvon followed her suggest, hunted Zimmerman down where Zimmerman was waiting for the police to arrive, and jumped him, to whoop ** on a homo to impress Rachel.
That came out in the trial and the aftermath, but was covered up in the media-preferred echoing of Ben Crump’s preferred narrative.
Um, you are aware, aren’t you, that the girl put on the stand wasn’t Trayvon’s girlfriend, barely knew him, and never talked to him, right?
That was one of the frauds Benjamin Crump played on the judicial system, including the letter, supposedly from Rachel, that convinced the prosecutors to bring charges, after having agreed that it was self defense.
Remember how she couldn’t read the letter she supposedly sent, and claimed she had a friend write it for her?
What a load of bullshit.
https://www.thetrayvonhoax.com/
“Read the Sanford PD final report when they recommended manslaughter charges”
Well, no need to investigate further than what Sanford PD says…
They are lying pigs, right??
It doesn’t matter what the cops recommended in that snapshot of time. Ultimately, the evidence doesn’t support any of your claims. Nothing backs you up.
Now go away. Adults are talking here.
“talking about murdering him with his girlfriend the whole way”
“Talking, with Martin’s girlfriend, about murdering GZ” is what you mean, but that didn’t happen. TM said something about the “creepy-ass cracker”, but there were no murder threats that I recall. Nor did he follow GZ back to his SUV. TM’s path intersected with GZ’s where the two paths met, and that’s where the assault took place. Get it right.
No, you get it straight pal. Zimmerman proceeded straight back to a pedestrian gate through which he thought Martin had fled. Unbeknownst to Zimmerman, Martin turned right down a dog path, and proceeded to the unit at which he was staying. Failing to see Martin, Zimmerman turned around at the gate, and proceeded directly back to his vehicle. Martin however, willfully lw
…willfully left the safety of his abode to confront Zimmerman, over 130 feet away. It was NOT a perchance meeting at an intersection as you suggest.
In fact you nuts even thought Trayvon’s interest in guns meant he was a thug while Rittenhouse testified in court he bought an AR15 because he thought it was “cool”.
I didn’t say this. I don’t recall anyone around here saying this. As near as I can tell, you’re simply advancing or repeating the arguments from your own mind. I’m not really sorry you feel that way about yourself, but blaming us, Zimmerman, Kyle, or reality at large for your own self-loathing isn’t going to fix anything.
Trayvon was in fact at least a receiver of burgled goods, and was at least a wanna-be thug according to the pictures on his phone of him playing with the pistol he was hoping to buy, and the grills, but, no, we think he;s a thug mainlty because he attacked Zimmerman, not b/c of his “interest in guns”. Crummyton is a moron.
“In fact you nuts even thought Trayvon’s interest in guns meant he was a thug”
Who here said this, and where is your cite?
And yes, this is a rhetorical question as I know you are just making up bullshit. You do realize that we all know you’re full of shit, right?
Rittenhouse is an idiot that punched a girl in the face and is on video saying he wants to shoot people he believes are shoplifters
You you saying the Jury is wrong?
me: OK, what do you think we should do with shoplifters? Bake them a cake?
Sebastian Cremmington: It isn’t your job to do anything about them, it’s the cops’.
me: OK, but what if the cops (for whatever reason) are demonstratively not doing their job?
Sebastian Cremmington: [blank silence]
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Don’t blame this shit on millennials. It’s not a generation’s behavior, it’s clear and consistent leftism, and libertarians that suck their dick.
crudely and perfectly put.
This kind of Cluster Hump comes from putting Agenda in front of principle.
It leads to the Lefts Spinning Agenda Compass…
Oh, and Fuck Biden. Almost forgot.
and libertarians that suck their dick
I thought you said not to blame this shit on millennials?
I assumed Welch was gen x?
Worse, Gen Xer in the Millennial neighborhood. Poor decisions all the way around.
Regardless, I was speaking to Robbie’s thought leadership.
See Kyle!
As Clinton showed, you can definitely be sued for things done before he is President. Take Droolin’ Joe to the fucking cleaners.
Then go ahead and bankrupt MSNBC and CNN.
Here here,lets not forget race lady,joyless Reid!
He should sue her personally too. In fact, he should do that to Don Lemon, Anderson Cooper, Rachel Maddow, Chris Hayes, Slow Jarbrough (and his bitch), etc.. he could make a career out of financially destroying leftist media weasels. Once he gets laid, he should start a legal foundation with Sandmann that is dedicated to suing people like this when they overstep.
The Drooler left the Whore in charge of the Store. Dear Christ were in trouble…
I hope they disinfect Joes chair before he returns.
I hear rumors that they both are plotting to have the other removed. If so, republicans need to sit back and let them tear each other apart.
Get beer and popcorn.
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> Robby claiming his actions as a “very poor decision” is beyond the pale.
Yep. My uncle was 17 when he took a rifle and went to defend his country against National-Socialist invaders. He was killed two months later, in August 1941. “Very poor decision”? “Not necessary to make him a hero”? Probably he should have waited a couple of years, until Russian industry started to make more heavy artillery shells than the Germans did – if there was any Russian industry present at that time without him.
Kyle voluntarily put himself in a harm”s way, got attacked by a violent mob and a crazy prosecution state machine – and survived. I am not “elevating” him to a hero status – he IS a hero. That’s just a fact.
He’s on video punching a girl in the face…and he’s such an assclown he punched his friends in the face.
Is that all you’ve got?
That’s because he was defending his sister from getting beat up, you moron.
Here’s hoping you get the Full Rosenbaum soon.
You’re a retarded little bitch.
“…he punched his friends in the face.”
Lie, I presume. Link?
Well said, MikePlacid
‘Just like Joy Reid should keep her opinions to herself so should you.’
jawohl, mein fuhrer…
Joy Reid is both stupid and dishonest. She would be best served by shutting the fuck up.
Sounds like the coward Rittenhouse is getting sued:
“We are heartbroken and angry that Kyle Rittenhouse was acquitted in his criminal trial for the murder of our son Anthony Huber. There was no justice today for Anthony, or for Mr. Rittenhouse’s other victims, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz.
We did not attend the trial because we could not bear to sit in a courtroom and repeatedly watch videos of our son’s murder, and because we have been subjected to many hurtful and nasty comments in the past year. But we watched the trial closely, hoping it would bring us closure.
That did not happen. Today’s verdict means there is no accountability for the person who murdered our son. It sends the unacceptable message that armed civilians can show up in any town, incite violence, and then use the danger they have created to justify shooting people in the street. We hope that decent people will join us in forcefully rejecting that message and demanding more of our laws, our officials, and our justice system.
Make no mistake: our fight to hold those responsible for Anthony’s death accountable continues in full force. Neither Mr. Rittenhouse nor the Kenosha police who authorized his bloody rampage will escape justice. Anthony will have his day in court.
No reasonable person viewing all of the evidence could conclude that Mr. Rittenhouse acted in self-defense. In response to racist and violent calls to action from militia members, Mr. Rittenhouse travelled to Kenosha illegally armed with an assault rifle. He menaced fellow citizens in the street. Though he was in open violation of a curfew order, Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently. Kenosha police told militia members that they would push peaceful protesters toward the militia so that the militia could “deal with them.” Soon after, Mr. Rittenhouse killed Joseph Rosenbaum. The police did nothing. Concerned citizens, confronted with a person shooting indiscriminately on the street, stepped in to stop the violence. Anthony was shot in the chest trying to disarm Mr. Rittenhouse and stop his shooting spree. Still, the police did nothing. Mr. Rittenhouse continued to shoot, maiming Gaige Grosskreutz. The police let Mr. Rittenhouse leave the scene freely. Mr. Rittenhouse came to Kenosha armed to kill. Kenosha police encouraged him to act violently, and our son is dead as a result.
We are so proud of Anthony, and we love him so much. He is a hero who sacrificed his own life to protect other innocent civilians. We ask that you remember Anthony and keep him in your prayers.”
The Hubbards will spend $100,000 on lawyers and loose when a jury watches their son hit a supine Rittenhouse with a skateboard and try to take his rifle while dazed. Rittenhouse will be rich from defamation settlements.
A rough estimate:
Provably false statements: 50%
Absurd interpretations: 30%
Completely unfounded assertions: 20%
confronted with a person shooting indiscriminately on the street,
For example, do they not know what “indiscriminately” means?
But the worst of this is their claims demonstrate their own dishonesty. While they claim without any evidence RH “menaced” others it is undeniably true RB menaced many including RH. By claiming menacing is a serious issue their concealing the fact of RB’s menacing becomes inexcusable.
The sad truth is that their son tried to kill someone and ended up dead because of it.
Sue for what? Everyone attacked him first and now a verdict 12-0 agrees. Let them burn their own money or the democrats money. Kyle will get some from biden and the media though.
JesseAZ, I have wondered about that as well. Now that Rittenhouse was found not guilty, how much legal exposure do various people and media organizations have to defamation?
Given the high number of people who made inflammatory false statements, suing them all could be a cottage industry for Rittenhouse. Winning in court is a different matter though.
Not much chance of KR proving knowing malice, I don’t think. He has to meet “public figure” defamation standards, I believe.
I give suits against him even less chance, though.
Have him contact Nick Sanderman’s law team. He got, what, $250M from CNN and Washington Post?
Crossing State Lines is not allowed by the Bolshveks. Protecting yourself when govt refuses to is now not allowed if your a European American (and I suppose Christian). Disputing a clearly devoid of facts narrative (“systematic racism, white privilege) and defending child rapists who declare they are going to kill you is now not allowed.
The true racists and bigots are the woke media and the democratic party….authoritarian scum bags..the lot of them
Get rid to lose some more shitbird. You Marxist faggots never learn a goddamn thing. Hopefully KR will inspire thousands more like him to stand up for their communities and defend themselves from democrat rioters who try to murder them.
KR is an American hero. While you’re a dirty traitor.
Hero for killing three people? Have you lost your fucking mind? Yeah, probably. The utterly absurd notion that your “defending yourself from democrat rioters” is proof that you are a dangerously deluded nut bag, likely destined for prison yourself. Sooner the better.
Lots of people have been called heros for killing people. A good portion of Medal of Honor winners, for instance.
That doesn’t mean that Rittenhouse is a hero. Just that not all internet arguments are as well phrased as they could be.
Hero for killing three people?
They were trying to kill him. Do try to keep up, will you?
-jcr
Can’t count to three. Says it all.
“Hero for killing three people?”
Obvious left wing troll obviously didn’t follow the case whatsoever.
Username checks out.
I don’t usually expect truth in advertising *that* accurate.
Hey everyone, I’m pretty sure Stupidnet is the new handle for Killing All Rednecks. He always makes a point to call people traitors, among other aspects of his comments
I know math is hard, but he only killed two people. Do keep up.
i try and read this magazine. i often agree with its writers. i think that KR should have been aquitted and that the mainstream media are frequently dishonest. yet then i see comments like this and i just can’t stand to be lumped in with trump loving compassion lacking jerks.
Having compassion for a kiddie raper, domestic abuser, and grandma-slapping thief is the height of simpery.
I’m sorry, what kind of nonsense is that. Rational people do not try to ambush a guy carrying a gun who is not posing a threat to them.
Had their son not been rioting, and not tried to commit a violent crime, he would still be alive. Huber killed Huber.
Yeah, Huber put that bullet in himself. What an idiot you are.
He fucked around and found out, tankie. Hopefully you and your allies think twice before rioting outside your deep blue shitholes.
+1
I’m reminded of the lamentations of these folks from a few years ago.
MIAMI (CBSMiami) – Relatives of a 17-year-old are angry the teenager was shot and killed by a homeowner who police say was protecting her property.
The sister of the teen who died identified him as Trevon Johnson. She said he was a student at D. A. Dorsey Technical College.
“I don’t care if she have her gun license or any of that. That is way beyond the law… way beyond,” said Johnson’s cousin Nautika Harris. “He was not supposed to die like this. He had a future ahead of him. Trevon had goals… he was a funny guy, very big on education, loved learning.”
On Thursday, police say Johnson burglarized a home south of 79th Street near I-95 — just blocks away from where he lives.
The 54-year-old woman told police her surveillance system alerted her to the break-in of her home. She said she rushed home and found the teen climbing out of a window.
“She observed a subject leaving the home through the rear,” said police Det. Dan Ferrin.
Miami-Dade police said there was a confrontation and shots were fired. Police said they were on scene seconds after the shooting and gave CPR to the teen. Johnson was rushed to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
“What’s wrong with her,” asked Johnson’s sister Nisha Johnson. “She did not have to shoot him.”
“You have to look at it from every child’s point of view that was raised in the hood,” said Harris. “You have to understand… how he gonna get his money to have clothes to go to school? You have to look at it from his point-of-view.”
I’m willing to give Huber the benefit of the doubt and think that he might have acted in the belief that Rittenhouse was shooting people without justification. It is possible and it doesn’t cost me anything to say so. He was still stupid in trying to bring down someone who was armed, running towards police, and not still firing. Should have let the police deal with it.
And even if he did act with noble motives, it is also reasonable that Rittenhouse was acting in self-defense when he shot Huber. Because Rittenhouse had no idea what Huber was up to.
Huber, like Ashtray Babbitt, was Darwinned out of existence…u can’t fix stoopid. 😉
Ashli Babbitt
ASSHOLE Cremmington
Why are you still here?
Rittenhouse had no idea what Huber was up to.
Bullshit. Rittenhouse knew that Huber had chased him and was trying to beat him to death. That’s why Huber was shot, and good riddance.
-jcr
Self Defense needs to be reasonable according to the facts known at the time of the shooting (roughly meaning an average sane person, informed of the same facts, would or could have responded the same way). He’s giving the benefit of the doubt to Huber that he may have reasonably believed that Rittenhouse was an active shooter who needed to be stopped-especially given that Huber is now dead and can’t defend himself. That being said, it does not negate Rittenhouse’s own very reasonable fear that if he did not defend himself, an angry mob would have killed him.
Anyone who saw the preceding 30 seconds would not have believed that Rittenhouse was trying to shoot anyone else. The action immediately before Huber tried to brain Rittenhouse was other rioters attacking Rittenhouse from behind. There is no reasonable doubt to give Huber; he, like others, was trying to kill or grievously injure Rittenhouse without provocation.
Kyle called 911 after he shot Pedo-baum while running away from him, in self defense. He called 911, remorseful saying he shot/killed someone, and was leaving to turn himself in to the cops.
Then he was attacked by the now ventilated Huber.
Sorry the facts are getting in the way of your little fairy tale, but Kyle will certainly be found innocent. The description you posted is a narrative in no way supported by the videos widely available from that night.
Little bitch is seething here, sorry for your loss. A message to your blue haired antifa boos. Fuck with actual patriots, and you will get ventilated too. You have neither the strength, intelligence, or skills to win in a fight, and when you pick one, you will take a dirt nap. Legally.
KR called the friend who normally held his rifle for him (named Black), iirc, not 911.
Get it right.
If they wish to get smacked down because the genetic mistakes they sired got killed for attacking somebody, so be it.
“…Robby claiming his actions as a “very poor decision” is beyond the pale…”
She shouldn’t have worn a skirt so short!
Indeed. Dressing so provocatively was an incredibly poor decision.
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Joy Reid is a hollow headed moron.
These liberal organizations won’t have enough security when civil war 2.0 breaks out
The ACLU is a lost organization. I used to donate but never will again. It’s a hard left political organization now that pretends they protect civil liberties. But clearly they believe in trampling civil liberties if they go against their highly partisan political narratives.
A jury acquitting a white defendant for killing three white men is hardly an example of white supremacy.
Some white men are more supreme than others.
And it should be “shooting three white men” — the one who pointed a gun at him survived.
KR pissed mercy upon him. Better than he deserved.
Maybe they identified as black.
I expect a civil rights investigation by the DOJ.
Stop white on white crime.
Neither Hitler nor Stalin would have liked that….
I honestly wish the GOP had the balls when they take power again (if they ever do) to disband most of the Federal Govt..starting with the CIA, FBI, HUD, HHS, DOJ, DOE and DHS..get rid of all of them as they are just militant arms of the democratic party.
I’d also stop federal funding of any university that discriminates against Americans…
Since the days of J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI approves who is allowed to serve as President, the voters and Electoral College be darnned.
After OSS morphed into CIA, they too have entered the process of political approval.
NSA and DHS have yet to figure out their place in the hierarchy of our ruling class, but they will eventually.
Wait til TSA finds their muscle and starts strip searching the elected Presidents before allowing them through the gate.
Maybe they will raid James O’Keefe and Project Veritas again. To see if they can find KR’s diary.
Dear diary, punching that girl in the face made me feel like a real man! I hope another girl steps to this! 😉
Hey, just because you’re too neutered to stand up for your own relatives doesn’t mean all men are the same way.
Yep, you’re a silly bitch. You really have zero to contribute. I’m sure the guys you bottom for would agree.
Speaking of, Black Fridays cancelled.
Its Ray- Ciss.
The three victims have been declared honorary black people for their spirited participation in BLM riots.
Democrats actually believe this.
Speaking out for progressive causes makes you less white. Proven fact. Or something.
No, no that is “Following the Science”.
“What happened to ‘ we rape, we pilllage’?”
Spaceballs
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oops, wrong movie.
That was Ice Pirates, the rescue scene
Spaceballs and Ice Pirates
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Thats some Quality entertainment.
Crude, Rude and Socially unacceptable!
my gf and i got into a small fight in part because even after watching hours of the trial and caring deeply about it, she did not know that the people shot were all white.
…but she ” cared…”
( slaps self in forehead)
I’d argue not knowing that small piece of info indicates she did not care all that much about the trial.
Why of course not.
Libtards dont know what they care about, whom or why…
Just ” care”
Virtue Signalling. The Face on TV tells them to care…
Just showing up for the game = a win!
Some people have been in the grip of insanity. There’s no other accounting for it.
Just insanity.
The American Civil Liberties Union makes its money by marketing itself to private donors–who want them to say shit like this. It’s not a principled organization. They make their money by being a progressive mouthpiece. That’s what their donors are paying for, so that’s what they do.
Yeah, I guess you’re right. It’s about their donor base.
They’ve been moving to the American political left for years, now, and away from the principles of just civil liberties. I think we’ve all seen that.
But the last few years they’re just a full on progressive mouthpiece, as you said. Nothing else. It’s sad. No matter how much I hate Illinois Nazis, there’s a reason unpopular speech is protected. And someone has to say things like “If they’re not allowed to speak today, you’ll be muzzled one day, too.”
“They’ve been moving to the American political left for years, now”
They have always been on the political left. Just, in the past, they had to hide it.
Now that the left is in power there is no need to hide it.
They were always about defending commies. Defending others was merely cover for the real mission.
They have always been on the political left. Just, in the past, they had to hide it.
I’d say that in the past the political left wasn’t as hostile to civil liberties as they are now. Lifelong far lefties finding out that they’re now far right for wanting to put political opponents in camps is a full blown phenomenon.
“I’d say that in the past the political left wasn’t as hostile to civil liberties as they are now.”
That’s because, in the past they didn’t have the power, only threat from power. So they hid behind the “principles” of civil liberties. Now that they have the power no one’s civil liberties are safe.
Because they are leftists.
There was a day when Berkley was an epicenter of free speech.
Since the 80s (as early as I can remember) it has been increasingly hostile to free speech. You can only say what they agree with, else you’ll be shouted down and banned form campus.
Free speech is a fundamental civil liberty. And embracing something like that is the difference between Liberal and Progressive, ideologically. Progressives are distinctly illiberal. Modern progressives have a much stronger voice these days than they did in the days a half century ago when lefties were singing about freedom.
Most of the hippies sincerely believed in civil rights, they were not progressives. When the shit got weird a lot of them blew up the TV, threw away the paper, and moved to the country. They’re still there but they don’t vote. They’re well armed but if you don’t fuck with them they won’t fuck with you. The rest were and are progressives who read Alinsky and have infected academia and the popular culture. Now they control the corporations and the federal government.
That control must be removed. THEY must also be removed.
Better a million marxists are slaughtered than one free American’s natural riots are infringed.
“There was a day when Berkley was an epicenter of free speech.”
To be more specific, they were the epicenter of THEIR free speech. Never yours.
“They were always about defending commies. Defending others was merely cover for the real mission.”
There are more communists and com-symps in their history than one might expect of a 100% simon-pure civil liberties organization.
At least in 1940 the kicked the Communist (Flynn) off their board promised not to appoint any more communists. But they apologized in the 1970s, around the time they were defending the rights of Illinois Nazis.
https://jacobin-v2.positiondevapp.com/2020/05/aclu-elizabeth-gurley-flynn-red-baiting
As Jacobin magazine explains:
“The idea that Flynn’s involvement in the CPUSA compromised her commitment to First Amendment freedoms was ludicrous. Her credentials as a civil liberties activist were unmatched by anyone on the board…”
No matter how much I hate Illinois Nazis, there’s a reason unpopular speech is protected.”
^
To paraphrase Chomsky, if you don’t approve of free speech for exactly the ideas that you most abhor, then you don’t approve of free speech.
It’s so disappointing to see how far Chomsky has fallen.
Indeed.
He has. Must be from old age….addled and senile.
The fundamental reality that popular speech does not NEED free speech protections is sadly lost on the modern Left.
Don’t know if it’s lost, or deliberately ignored.
Propaganda works. Say one thing, do another, but keep blaming what you’re doing on the “other”.
The fundamental reality that popular speech does not NEED free speech protections is sadly lost on the modern Left.
No. They are completely aware. The pre-modern left never wanted free speech either. They merely took advantage of it. Now that they have all the power, they are taking off their masks.
…except to prevent free speech…
The ACLU is a leftist PAC dedicated to leftist totalitarianism
There are whores, and there are attention whores. And then there’s the ACLU.
That’s why the ACLU is being sued by Johnny Depp for defamation. Amber Heard had pledged to give a big chunk of her divorce settlement to the ACLU. The ACLU’s response was to send some lawyers to start defaming Depp in a PR campaign to try to up the settlement amount.
Classy organization.
Leftists are never to be trusted. They are intrinsically immoral and lacking any integrity.
That’s…really clever. Cue the Ron Burgundy, “I’m not even mad…”
Not clever of them though to discuss it in email or other hard copy, which is how I’m assuming Depp’s legal team found out.
ACLU is basically very liberal lawyers from NYC who appeal to wealthy predominately Jewish and WASP monied elites in big cities..so they have to toe the far left line..or they don’t get money..grifters.
Playing the race care when there was not an iota of a racial component to the case simply drives the general public further away from the Democratic party.
So please keep doing it.
Agreed; “never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake”
NB
That’s not completely true: Rosenbaum, the first man who attacked Rittenhouse, was caught on video calling people “nigger” shortly before he was shot. That had nothing to do with the shooting itself, but there was a racist present–it’s just not who the corporate press wants you to think it was.
That had nothing to do with the shooting itself, but there was a racist present–it’s just not who the corporate press wants you to think it was.
No, Rosenbaum was a wigger who identified with and emulated the black criminals that he spent time in jail with. I went to school with a bunch of these types, and they all dropped “nigger” in their regular speech like it was a condiment.
These guys weren’t fake-o posers trying to gain authenticity by acting like dorks in a hip-hop video, either–they hung out with and were accepted socially by black gang members in the school.
I was referred to as nigga by a white guy while playing basketball with him and a bunch of gangbangers (bloods I assume from all the red they were wearing). Wasn’t a hostile thing, just “hey, guard that nigga hitting all those 3s!”
Play enough pickup basketball in the right parts of town and you get called nigga often enough by all types of people, regardless of color.
“hey, guard that nigga hitting all those 3s!”
Nice humble brag.
Damn right
“Damn, dude, cover that nigga who makes Michael Jordan look like a lame-ass cracker!”
Do they call you dinger? Or dinga?
That’s only in Denver.
That’s exactly what I think.
So Rittenhouse actually struck a blow for racial justice.
These guys did exactly what BLM expects white people to do–act as meat shields and take bullets for blacks. That they’re crying that these hammerheads died doing what they wanted them to do is all the more hilarious.
The rioters are all racists. All leftists are. They’re obsessed with race and have a savage hatred of whites,
1000000000000000 + that.
They are destroying themselves from the inside. Nihilists and Anarchists all
Ha Ha ! It’s normal to be crazy now.
There’s no such thing as normal, never has been.
No, there is. Self-esteem softness tries to push that bullshit to spare weak feelings, but norms are definitely a thing.
Yeah, in most contexts rational comes in one basic flavor, while irrational options are infinite.
Another revered institution, The ACLU, crapping on its traditions.
Problem, they are for liberty for some.
Theyre a den of rotten Leftist Lawyers. They think liberty comes from lawsuits.
Never.
“They think liberty comes from lawsuits.”
Well, when your liberty is squelched, suing the squelchers sometimes helps.
The difficulty is their increasingly wrong definition of liberty.
Just imagine the woke little pukes the ACLU hires. Of course they’ve become a horrendous pile of shit.
*Indeed, people who did not follow the trial closely, and instead relied on secondhand punditry from liberal media figures, probably missed some very basic facts about the case, including that it had little to do with race: Rittenhouse and all three of his victims were white.*
Point of order: Rittenhouse was the victim. The three men shot were his attackers.
Yes, Robbie is an idiot for having written that, especially so after the verdicts.
C’mon Robbie, Only commies have “civil liberties” and only minorities have “civil rights”. A non-communist white man has no rights or liberties a progressive State is bound to respect. The ACLU is being entirely consistent here.
A great man once wished people to judge his children by the color of their skin, right?
To be fair…a brave man, an eloquent man, who helped destroy Jim Crow. Which is all excellent, because Jim Crow needed to be destroyed.
But he also supported “compensative treatment for the Negro.” His vision of a race-neutral country seems to be something we would reach *after* this “compensatory treatment.”
https://academic.udayton.edu/race/04needs/affirm25.htm
compensatory not compensative
If you’ve paid any attention at all over the past several years, the ACLU has changed drastically; from an organization once concerned about civil liberties to one that is merely promoting the woke narrative [increasingly in favor of anti hate speech laws for example; actually they’ve never been much for self defense and the use of icky guns etc.].
If Neo Nazis were to march in Skokie today, they would be the first in line to want them rounded up and sent to a gulag.
ACLU never cared.
They loved mouthing platitudes until they had the power to stomp on your throat.
That’s the way of the left. They never had any principals. The constitution was a shield and a device to be used, when convenient, to achieve their ends. Not something they really believe in.
They have principals, alright. Plenty of ’em. Principles, on the other hand…
When I am weaker than you, I ask you for freedom because that is according to your principles; when I am stronger than you, I take away your freedom because that is according to my principles.
Forget about the neo-Nazis; they’d feel (and publicly argue!) the same way about a Trump 2024 rally!
Does anyone believe the people Rittenhouse shot really gave a fuck about Jacob Blake and BLM? Or rather, they were there simply to join in mayhem and destruction?
The comments by the lefties and the ACLU are simply to signal to the “true believers”, and it’s proving McWhorter’s idea of anti-racism as a religion is close to spot-on.
It’s modern Nazism.
No more, no less.
Just for giggles, I checked demographics. Wisconsin is only 6% black. Kenosha about 10%.
So, 10%. 1 out of 12 is slightly underrepresented, 2 out of 12 would be overrepresented. As far as a jury of your “peers” go, a bunch of white people in that city, in that state, trying that kid… 11 out of 12 being white is as peer as peer gets.
I think they had one black juror and one black alternate so the math works at 1.5 out of 12. Or close enough.
An Uncle Tom/Oreo/self-hater on the jury, eh?
/sarc /sarc /sarc
Fairer to say 1/12 or 2/18. So it’s either slightly below or slightly above their racial representation.
That said, I don’t see how it matters. Rittenhouse and all those who attacked him (at least those he shot) are all white. If anything it seems like it would hurt the prosecution to have more black people on the jury since Rosenbaum apparently was shouting “nigga” half the night.
poor decision to involve himself in the Kenosha riots
So, being involved in a riot is a poor decision? Kyle was 17, the aggressors were 24 and older, who was ‘more’ guilty of ‘poor decision making’. But maybe they were there and a riot sprung up around them and it’s just a poor decision for outsiders to get involved in a riot? So, it’s a poor decision for police to get involved in a riot? Why don’t you just call for them to be defunded?
Or maybe, just maybe, everybody in this situation took full responsibility for their actions and decisions and got the full consequences and you wish some of them shouldn’t have and are blaming Kyle for it. How sad to be a male that is, what? A decade? Kyle’s senior and be a more infantile pussy.
Kyle was the only person to kill anyone during that protest.
Biggest gun = biggest pussy.
So how much of a pussy was Grosskreutz for being armed with a Glock?
Less of a pussy than Rittenhouse.
I FEEL YOUR PAIN LOSER!!!! BWAAAHAAHAA!!!
Rittenhouse is going to be well off, sell interviews, write a book.
And he is buff and will have many more children than you.
This will fill the hearts of scumbag, rioting leftist pussies with fear. AMAZING.
He obviously has inbreeding in his immediate ancestry.
But I thank you for demonstrating your racist bloodlust right here for everyone else to pretend they don’t see.
LOL Seen him with the AR in his shirt? Google it. Will change your mood. We know this is good stuff for you.
Secondly, you are a true loser for pretending that someone supporting self-defense and the court system was afflicted with blood lust. Keep going. Become more of a loser.
Can you explain the “Racism” he demonstrated here?
well, he was a white guy who shot leftist white guys who were felons. Clearly, that’s racist. Or something. Because reasons.
Hopefully St. Kyle can visit you soon. Put you out of your misery
why don’t you come do it, tough guy? I have no quarrel with Kyle. Are you unable to read or sarc-challenged, and I don’t discount both as an option.
Who came to defend a business owned and operated by first-generation immigrants.
RACIST.
Your descendants will be far more biologically fucked up considering where you stick it.
I believe Tony was an asshole baby. Evidently his pop stuck it in the wrong hole.
He’s certainly an asshole adult.
You people’s ignorance of science is truly inexcusable.
Rosenbaum was a suicidal ped0–it was suicide by cop followed by a dum dum being Darwinned out of existence.
We know shitstain is really pissed at being shown to be a lying piece of lefty shit so I have a suggestion:
Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
I believe they are here to generate more replies, views and ad revenue.
Which is the reason they get no engagement, just insults.
Racist bloodlust=shooting 3 white people.
White Lives Matter is up in arms about this. Or in some cases, up in arm.
At least he’s not. Pillow biting, vapid little loser Marxist like you. Next time you Marxist feel like rioting, stay home.
You’ll live longer.
No, he was the only one to succeed at it. The others failed.
Biggest gun = biggest pussy.
“Biden is the nation’s biggest pussy.” – Tony
Technically, he’s the WORLD’S biggest pussy.
I’m thinkin we go galactic.
Tony uses his asshole to simulate a Pussy for the boys down at his local bathhouse.
Pussies are revolutionaries who completely happy burning down an innocent persons house, but turn around and go cry to the establishment for vengeance when someone dares to fight back.
You care more about property than lives, as long as the lives are your political opponents.
Try and de-radicalize yourself before you alienate your loved ones. Just some advice.
Delicious loser tears. Keep going. BWAAAAAHAHAAAAAHAAAA!!!!
Rittenhouse set a precedent. We are allowed to defend ourselves against rioting pussies.
You only care about lives that agree with your politics.
That’s convenient, but don’t expect sympathy.
You don’t know fuck about me, pickle-brain. Stop consuming right-wing media. I’m just giving you free, good advice right now.
OOOOOOHHHHHOOOOOO The pussy is angry and cries the best tears I have seen in a while. BUCKETS AND BUCKETS
You don’t know fuck about me, pickle-brain.
Are we supposed to pretend you haven’t been here for the last ten years telling us all about what you think about everything?
Tony has been here longer than 10 years. IIRC, he was here when I started lurking back in the 90s. He has not gotten wiser with age.
The character keeps getting handed off to different employees.
Uh-oh: someone’s triggered.
If he has a list too, you’ve moved up in the rankings.
Damnit.
The Tony Bowl is sponsored by Zima…
I don’t need to hear about The Tony Bowel, Chumby.
Soooooooo sorry this is happening to you right now, Tony.
Lol.
Youre a fat lazy marxist who wants others to be taxed so you can stay home diddling yourself.
I’m not fat, much to your mom’s disappointment.
I’m not fat
LOL! Just big boned, right? LOL!
And self-ownership is the ultimate property right. You can’t care about individual lives without property rights.
Plus, and perhaps most importantly, Rittenhouse was defending his life not his property. That was a very clear distinction established in the trial, despite how hard the prosecutor tried to push the “you can’t use lethal force to defend property” angle.
The irony is that if he hadn’t wandered over to the area where the dumpster had been put on fire, he might have gotten nicked for that.
Self ownership*
*Women’s uterus not included
Self ownership*
*Women’s uterus not included
Also whether you take the vaccine
“My body, my choice” is a declaration of property rights.
I care more about my property than the life of someone trying to destroy it. I’ll say that anyway.
I wouldn’t shoot someone in the back for stealing my TV. But I would shoot someone trying to burn down my house or business.
Then you’re a psychopath.
BWAAAAHAHAAAA THAT FROM TONY OMG
No, “prison should only be for tax avoidance” is psychopathic.
That’s a pretty big leap. I think you stole a few bases there.
He’s projecting.
“Then you’re a psychopath.”
For shooting somebody trying to burn down your house or business?
Yeah, a dead leftist is the only good one.
You’re defensing people that not only destroyed property but also used deadly weapons to attack a kid. Well done Tony. You should get a prize.
Why? He’s already got a whole wall of participation trophies.
Timmeh, Jimmeh and Toneh
Kyle didn’t shoot anyone for trying to burn down anything. Kyle used a fire extinguisher to put out a fire.
Tony’s just jealous he doesn’t have and can’t get a gun as big as Kyle’s.
I know that. I’m just saying.
But it was an assault fire extinguisher.
Fire extinguisher is a white supremacist dog whistle. It’s their weapon of choice.
He was trying to start an insurrection.
You care more about property than lives
Antifa delenda est.
To Red Rocks so,
A reference to Cato!
In the original latin
In the Reason comments!!!
I am pleased and amazed.
Si vis pacem, para bellum!
(If you want peace, prepare for war)
You care more about property than lives, as long as the lives are your political opponents.
remind me of your outrage over the three dozen or so mostly black lives that were ended in months of rioting.
Cry more, bitch.
Yes, I care more about property than the lives of kiddie rapists.
Kiddie rapists that assault people.
I absolutely care more about property than criminals destroying things to act out some delusional commie cosplay. I wish for a thousand more like Rittenhouse.
Rittenhouse being the only person to kill anyone that night.
You’re fucked up in the head and need psychological help.
You care more about property than lives, as long as the lives are your political opponents
Although you were not responding to me, I do not care about property more than lives, but anyone who cares about lives will care about property. It takes time and effort for people to create wealth, and only an instant for a Marxist to destroy it with vandalism. There’s also the argument that you forfeit your right to security of person when you are vandalizing and looting. Do you think someone’s life is worth so much that he cannot be shot at in an effort to prevent him from stealing your car and burning your house down? If property owners are deprived are their right to defend their property forcefully, is there any way that they can still defend their property in way that isn’t more dangerous to themselves? Consider this question in the light of the fact that police are routinely “standing down” now.
I should add, that as the Marxists hold on power becomes more cemented and their behavior becomes more brazen, conservatives (and I don’t mean MSM-approved “conservative” pundits) had better think hard about these questions too.
Try and de-radicalize yourself before you alienate your loved ones. Just some advice.
If my loved one’s were looters and vandals, I might think of them as evildoers who live by the sword. I might alienate them just by telling them that, so I would quietly hope that they would change their nefarious ways some day and avoid talking politics with them.
“You care more about property than lives”
Two words :
Non
Sequitur
Tony, when you and your scumbag commie pals riot. Plan on getting some pushback. Those rioters had no business being out on the street. They weren’t invited. Then they fucked with the wrong hombre. It went poorly for them.
So crawl back under your rock, while you can. Americans are just about fresh out of mercy for rioting, murdering democrats.
DELICIOUS LEFTIST TEARS!!!!!!!!!
BWAAAAHAAHAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!!!!!
Think of it this way, Tony. A white guy who remorselessly used the N-word over and over was permanently cancelled.
He was loitering for hours…killed two guys that attacked him. Shot one that leveled a pistol at him. If he was bent on murder he is VERY bad at that. When he had half a dozen kooks around a dumpster his weapon of choice was an extinguisher.
THE KID HAD AMPLE OPPORTUNITY TO OFF ANY NUMBER OF PEOPLE IF THAT WAS HIS GOAL
He showed remarkable restraint. Imagine if next time it wasn’t one teenager, but a dozen men with more training and previous experience. They could have put down the entire Marxist horde.
+1 dropping tailgate.
Tony, point the witness, testimony or video that shows it was not self defense. Every prosecution witness testimony supported self defense. Every piece of evidence supported self defense, ever clear unaltered high resolution video supported self defense. There is no argument Rittenhouse killed the people. The question is why? and Self defense is the obvious answer. The fact the Prosecutor ignored established law, the judges instructions and appealed to emotion rather than facts and evidence tells you it was self defense. The fact MSNBC tried to tamper with the jury tells you it was self defense. They knew the case would be lost on the evidence. You would only be happy if Rittenhouse was the only one dead, because you are a sick, evil troll.
I await your pointing to the evidence that supports murder rather than self defense.
At the risk of damning him with faint praise, at 17 Rittenhouse was already a better man than you can ever hope to be.
Why don’t you go self-medicate or something? It might dull the pain of your worthlessness.
-jcr
Yes, this incessant throat-clear about whose decision to be in Kenosha was wrong is a terrible one. Determining who had a legitimate stake in the events there that night is unnecessary and idiotic.
“So, being involved in a riot is a poor decision? ”
It is not. It is a poor ACTION.
But to be clear, the right has elevated Rittenhouse to hero status for no reason other than that he killed leftists.
The Left has made Rittenhouse a white supremacist because he shot leftists who attacked him.
He’s a white supremacist because he hangs out with Proud Boys and goes to BLM protests in opposition, armed with an AR-15. But it’s not a crime to be a white supremacist.
But it’s not a crime to be a white supremacist.
it’s not even a fact in this case, nor is it relevant since the three wannabe tough guys were/are white trash criminals. My lord, you folks and your perpetual manufactured outrage over white supremacists you are convinced can be found under every bed.
I’m struggling to think of the last time a person shot three people, killing two, in self-defense.
Just say you like him because he killed your perceived political opponents. Be honest one second of your life.
You are projecting again, Tony.
As well he should, I Imagine anyone is rude and evil as Tony likely has done terrible things to people, and knows they deserve to be shot. Next time he might be shot red-handed. No wonder he is afraid.
BWWAAAAAAAHAAAAAAAHAAHAHAAAA!!!! YOU ARE SEETHING AND WANT OTHERS TO BE HONEST BECAUSE YOU ARE A LOSER WIMP!!!!! OMG TONY I LOVE YOU!!!!!
So, you can’t think of another identical case, so you won’t believe that this really happened? Is that what you are saying?
The concept of self-defense is not limited by number. Three people attacked him. No one forced them to do so. Stupid games begat stupid prizes. It’s not about liking him or not, or what I think of his attackers. Try your own advice on being honest – three guys attacked KR at different times. One smacked over the head with a skateboard and another was armed with a handgun. When did “sit there and take it” become acceptable?
They attacked him because he was carrying a weapon of war and shooting people.
I suppose school shooters are just acting in self-defense against their bullies.
WEAPON OF WAR BWWWAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAA!!!!
Whiny LOSER!!!! SUPPORTS RIOTING CHILD MOLESTERS AND WIFE BEATERS!!!!
#AHeartForLowlifes
Weapon of war. Please stop. No self-respecting troop would carry that rifle into war.
The only people he shot were the ones who attacked him; it’s almost like there is a correlation in play. And the school shooter straw man is a bit insulting to straw men.
Stupid idiot. You belong in a home.
What a profound argument. I’m sorry your buddies the pedo and wife abuser did not survive, but hey, the thief is still around so the circle jerks can continue, just in a tighter circle.
You deserve the full Napoleon Blownaparte.
Weapon of war? Armalite tried to sell the AR15 to the DoD and the DoD rejected it as unsuitable for war.
You should have stopped at. ” I’m struggling to think.”
“I’m struggling to think of the last time a person shot three people, killing two, in self-defense.”
Kenosha, WI. Last August.
Glad to help you.
I’m struggling to think
We can see that.
“I’m struggling to think” – Tony
????
That was meant to be a 🙂 !
Tony Clearly has problems thinking.
Tony is clearly a troll, but not a very bright troll. Everything he posts is designed to piss people off, but it is so easy to contradict with reality, like this case testimony, evidence and video that his posts are a joke. Yet he yammers on because in his fantasy world he can’t be wrong, the can’t accept reality and he wants to make people upset. Tony never talks about real things, but only things he imagines in his mind.
Psychology of internet trolls: They understand what hurts people but simply don’t care
Psychological studies show trolls tend to be male, show higher levels of psychopathy traits — low levels of empathy, guilt and responsibility for their actions — and higher levels of sadism traits, the enjoyment of causing others physical and psychological pain.
As you can see trolls are sick people. Facts will never sway them.
He killed 2 criminal vagrants…they were most likely Republicans.
Well the last time three convicted violent criminals (one a child molester) stupidly and violently attacked an armed person.
If it happened before or not has nothing to do with anything. It is irrelevant. There is no procedure for introducing “the last time it happened” as evidence to either exonerate of convict. Again Tony quit making things up and talk about the testimony, evidence and videos that support your opinions. You won’t do that because they don’t exist. You live in a fantasy world.
Rittenhouse was opposing arson, looting and property destruction. You cannot oppose those crimes if they are done in BLM’s name without being a white supremacist? Is that really what you want to dumb that term down to?
Also, the Proud Boys had a non-white man as their national leader. Kind of strange for white supremacists.
It’s not lawful to defend property with deadly force. KR was also not a police officer or even a rent-a-cop. Surely you can at least agree that he was a fucking retard for being there at all.
Rioters will have to think twice from now on. THIS IS AMAZING.
And that’s why Tony is so upset!
He’s also buff. Check him out. Great specimen. Bright future. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
youre doing lots of race baiting here Troll..
Floyd was an innocent Citizen murdered by cops.
Hopefully one of YOUR family get killed by cops so you get the hint.
Yeah. It has been obvious for a while that you are not that bright.
So where do I do race baiting? In your head? Does my “bait” fit in there? That’s what I thought.
The cops gave him fentanyl?
Whether he was murdered by cops is 50/50 chance when all’s said and done as he was having breathing issues well before he was pinned on the ground. However Chauvin was still guilty of 3rd degree murder because he was clearly acting in a depraved manner when he kept kneeling on him for 2 and a half minutes after verbally acknowledging the fact that Floyd had no discernable pulse.
Rittenhouse helped put out the dumpster fire Rosenbaum started before Rosenbaum tried to jump him. It is not lawful to commit arson or attack people who put out your fires.
At least you dropped the silly “white supremacist” libel.
It’s not lawful to defend property with deadly force.
And the jury found that nobody did.
“It’s not lawful to defend property with deadly force.”
He didn’t. He defended his personal body with deadly force. Which I am glad he successfully did.
It’s not lawful to defend property with deadly force.
If they’re trying to harm me and my family, it is.
Fuck off and die, shitstain.
Unless it’s the capital, amirite?
+1
+1000000000000
He lawfully defended his life and limb with deadly force against attackers.
Don’t forget his black friends that your butt buddies were calling the n word.
He’s a white supremacist because he hangs out with Proud Boys and goes to BLM protests in opposition, armed with an AR-15. But it’s not a crime to be a white supremacist
The only good white leftist is a Rosenbaum.
Proud Boys are more racially diverse than any progressive institution.
Their fucking leader is black, moron.
He was there to oppose arsonassault, and vandalism, not political protest.
Unless you’re saying that BLM protest is necessarily equated with arson, assault, and vandalism…
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/15/no-the-proud-boys-are-not-white-supremacists/
So everyone who disagrees with BLM is a white supremacist? Let me laugh at you harder.
A white guy killing other white guys and not being convicted of multiple homicides is white supremacy. Meanwhile, white guys who shout the n-word and try to burn down minority-owned buildings are acting as allies of the POC community.
/proglodyte
No, but it is a crime to destroy public and private property.
(I wonder if Tony knows this.)
He’s a white supremacist because he hangs out with Proud Boys and goes to BLM protests in opposition, armed with an AR-15. But it’s not a crime to be a white supremacist.
There’s an inadvertent reveal included here. RH was only in opposition to rioters. Left wingers have pretended for 1.5 years that rioters and protesters are different groups. But now left wingers assert that opposition to rioters is also opposition to protesters, they’re admitting they are the same group.
We should have guessed Tony would be one of the stupid ones to admit it.
The Lroud Boys are lead by a man who is a Jamaican immigrant and is of mixed black and Hispanic heritage. So try again.
killed leftists
“I don’t know who he voted for, but being a child molester, Rosenbaum must’ve been a leftist.” – Tony
It’s weird, isn’t it? Kyle kills three random leftists attacking him, and they just so happened to be violent felons, with a child rapist to boot.
What a great crowd. Inspiring riot, really. Heroes.
You forgot “jump kick guy.”
Kyle kills three random leftists attacking him, and they just so happened to be violent felons, with a child rapist to boot.
My favorite part is something like 60% of random poll respondents thought they were black.
Assuming the population is of any size at 60%, I’d bet there’s an awful lot of BLM leftists in that sample population engaging in systemic racism (especially if it suffers the typical sampling bias).
They weren’t “leftists” either…they were criminal vagrants that never voted.
They were model leftists, like Sebastian Cremmington
If we found out Tony is guilty of raping underage boys, would it really surprise anyone here? He’s an obvious sociopath, and I’ve always had the impression he’s a huge deviant.
If Rittenhouse has been elevated to the level of hero, it is because he stood up to the left’s terrorism.
“But to be clear, the right has elevated Rittenhouse to hero status for no reason other than that he killed leftists.”
….and?
I won’t shed tears when leftist kiddie rapists and domestic abusers get the honor of doing one good thing in their lives…fertilizing the earth.
He was defending the Republic. The police is to pussified to do that. At least if it’s rioters on the left.
Acquittal was the right verdict.
Plenty of evidence that they were violent criminals and at least one was a child rapist. I haven’t seen any evidence that they were leftists.
Child rapists (why was Jerry Nadler’s buddy out of prison) shot dead in self defense..sounds like Karma to me
I’m cool with it. It’s just too bad it wasn’t Buttplug.
Remember when Republicans made a ped0 House Speaker?? Those were the good old days…
Rittenhouse was there to mitigate against the arson, looting and property destruction being done in the name of Black Lives Matter and ended up shooting three rioters who attacked him, two mortally. Race was involved, because the white men shot were BLM fellow travelers.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1461789794636288005?t=cYVW50LgHOI6EFqlo2_15w&s=19
Just look at how many people were radically deceived about this case – and still are! – including people paid to follow and “report on” these matters for a living. [Screenshot]
Are they really deceived? Or are they knowingly part of the deception?
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1461793216005607428
Brazil’s biggest newspaper, last week: The men killed by Kyle Rittenhouse in the anti-racist demonstrations in Kenosha were not black, as stated in a previous tweet, which was deleted.
Reputation with the international community restored!
Demonstration? It was three days of riot, including vandalism, buildings burning, with the police ordered to stand down.
Could be lost in translation. What’s not lost in translation: “What we originally got from our American news sources was that the men killed by Rittenhouse were black. That information was not correct. We apologize to our Brazilian readers for the mistake.”
So, apparently, our great uniter, President Biden is now “angry and concerned” about a verdict Soave describes as “unsurprising”.
Angry and concerned that violent rioters bailed out by the Vice President might be at risk in the future.
Last year, tragically, showed that in a riot, if you on a store, do not expect the cops to do nothing. Answer with deadly force and repeat as needed for as long as needed.
Dead bodies cannot be bailed out of jail.
The left wanted to throw Kyle in prison for the rest of his life because they have romantic feelings towards race riots, and Kyle clearly does not share their vision.
You can tell because none of the excuses they gave for throwing Kyle in prison had anything to do with a lack of reasonable doubt that he didn’t act in self-defense.
Hell, they came out and said he’s guilty of murder because he wasn’t invited to their riot.
That’s how violent, self-centered assholes think: I have a right to riot, you have no right to stop me.
You don’t talk to people like that. You defend yourself. If they attack you, shoot them.
If all the circumstances were the same except it was a pro-life rally and he was black, you’d want him executed.
You’ve become a shell of your former self.
If all the circumstances were the same except it was a pro-life rally and he was black, you’d want him executed.
“Black people shouldn’t be allowed to attend abortion protests they weren’t invited to.” – Tony
I think showing the “hidden” biases of Tony’s comments, highlighting his cognitive dissonance of his own bigoted opinions, must be a shock to the poor boy.
Tony is a pshycopath.
It takes a certain masochism to show up, daily, where you are universally despised. Whatever mental issues are causing that, I’m glad there’s two screens and a server between us.
+1000
I have to admit that I’ve never heard of anyone at a pro-life rally trying to set a gas station on fire.
But if they had, and a black kid had put the blaze out, and then three black people at that rally had tried to kill him for it and he’d shot them, I’d still think he was acting in self defense.
Tony isn’t just stupid, he’s fractally stupid. He is retarded at every level. No matter how much you zoom in, he’s just as moronic as he looks at the surface view.
Whatever you tell yourself in counter-factual fantasy land as you pretend that I would behave as you are, with no shame for yourself, I should add.
LOL the tears of the loser who projects their racism on others.
This is such great precedent. Hope Fartland, OR gets the message. Keep on seething.
If all the circumstances were the same except it was a pro-life rally and he was black, you’d want him executed.
Did the pro-life rally set a dumpster on fire and try to push it into a gas station? Did they destroy and burn property for two nights prior to that? Did they chase down an armed individual who hadn’t actually threatened them?
Your side got what it deserved. Sic semper Antifae.
“If all the circumstances were the same except it was a pro-life rally and he was black, you’d want him executed.”
They don’t tend to devolve into riots, mind you, but if three people at a pro-life rally assaulted ANYBODY, I’d not find killing them offensive.
Kyle is coming for you Tony. You and your pedophile anarchist friends
It would have to be a pro life riot attended by known violent criminals. Not sure that’s ever happened or ever will. But if your bizarre fantasy ever happened and a black kid defended himself against violent attackers libertarians would absolutely defend his right to do so.
If all the circumstances were the same except it was a pro-life rally and he was black, you’d want him executed.
It’s revealing how left wingers mistake their fantasies for reality.
This sums it up nicely:
If Kyle Rittenhouse were black, and all the facts of the case were the same, all the people defending Kyle Rittenhouse now would still be defending him, because it’s an obvious case of self defense, and we aren’t the ones who are racist commies.
https://twitter.com/kayotickat/status/1461859153102659592?s=21
That’s beautiful.
So if a black man shot three other black men, specifically a pedophile, a wife beater, and a granny assaulter, we would want him executed? Interesting.
People who attend pro life rallies don’t start rioting and attacking people in the street. That’s you people. But if the circumstances were the same, self defense definitely applies.
Amd stop acting like we’re racist, and you’re not. YOU are the racist here. Just like every democrat.
Do you stay up nights thinking of fictitious scenarios? Nothing you post is true, nothing you are posting happened anywhere but in your mind. Talk about facts, talk about evidence or talk about what the video shows. Making unsupported statement shows you are the with a problem, not anyone else. Again, point to the testimony, the evidence of the video that shows this was murder and not self defense.
The ACLU does not side with prosecutors, per see, just this inept bunch that did more to bolster the defense case than the defense itself. Where was this bunch when three dozen or so minority people were killed during the months of mayhem?
Too much protection? Does the ACLU think he should have been carrying a 10/22 instead?
A Kalashnikov; better at short ranges.
Had it been an AK, Rittenhouse would have been portrayed as an Al Queda member.
“A jury acquitting a white defendant for killing three white men is hardly an example of white supremacy.”
Especially given that the white defendant was defending a business owned by a person of color, and the shot white men who were involved in rioting that was destroying other businesses owned by black people.
First generation immigrants. He came to help defend their business. What a racist.
Sure it is. Whites were attacked along with Blacks in the South US
.. for supporting the Blacks
Hitler murdered mostly ” whitish” people. Jews in general are light skinned. They aint ” black”
Seems as if your lack of education drives your racist tendencies…
Oh crap, daveca is really not that bright.
Sorry dude. I guess “ca” stands for where you’re from. I know your condition now.
So given that Rittenhouse was attacked for defending black neighborhoods, you’re siding with Hitler?
Weird flex, but I suppose if you want to be out and proud about your racism, go you.
Seeking to inflame tensions NPR made note of the Mosty white jury in its announcement. Someone needs to lose their job and NPR it’s federal funding.
and NPR it’s federal funding
^ This at the very least – the fact that NPR gets federal funding is obscene.
https://twitter.com/cyr_actual/status/1461831152335994892?t=8ByeBC4NgxsP_9S0fgiysQ&s=19
Now CNN is back to the Charlottesville trial, showing the tiki torch thing over and over.
In between the, ‘white supremacist’ this, ‘white privilege’ that, of the Aubery and Charlottesville trials, they intersperse shots of Rittenhouse in the courthouse.
Obvious what they’re trying to do here.
Yep, NBC doing it on the national news right now.
They have been trying to do it since the day Obama got elected. To his..er…credit, Obama recognized that a post racial America is the death of the Democrat coalition.
I discovered this at the beer summit. Talk about dog whistles…. His buddy was overtly racist. Yet he calls a summit to chastise the cop for not being sensitive to the racism he harbors while getting verbally assaulted in torrent of racist attacks.
People with an 85 IQ need entertainment too. It is their niche market.
85? Youre being generous.
Thats like Bidens 38% poll number…
with a margin of error of 25 %.
“Now CNN is back to the Charlottesville trial, showing the tiki torch thing over and over. In between the, ‘white supremacist’ this, ‘white privilege’ that, of the Aubery and Charlottesville trials, they intersperse shots of Rittenhouse in the courthouse.”
It’s like Nazi propaganda talking about Jews and showing swarms of rats. Joseph Goebbels must be smiling from Hell.
NPR should have zero taxpayer funding.
They have their moments such as the interview with the woman from TX whose Mother was murdered by the restaurant invader.
Shed left her gun in the car.
They were forced to admit that may have led to her Mothers death.
Unfortunately those moments of lucidity are swallowed up by their ravenous Socialist Prog Leftism.
So in the end, they need tied in a sack and thrown in a river, journalistically.
You’re trolling yourself if you engage with this dimension’s current Tony. That’s why he was kicked out of the Consortium and Continuum.
I don’t know why it’s so irresistible. But yeah, this Tony is really around the bend.
He’s a faithful distillation of the retarded woke left pseudo-intellectual.
I don’t get opportunities to encounter that in my real life: no one I know is that stupid. Hence, I take advantage of the opportunity.
And it’s like the Turing Test: if you can’t tell that the person you’re taking to really isn’t a retarded woke-left pseudo-intellectual, does it matter?
I am believing that some are here at Reason’s request to post stupid shit. It generates responses and refreshes. Those generates “views.” And those generate ad revenue. Akin to the heel in professional wrestling.
no, the idiots are and have been across comment sections all over the Net since 2009…
Dont credit idiots with planning when simply being an idiot is sufficient explanation.
I agree, just check out city data. There are a lot of idiots out there.
Is that a Heinlein quote?
naw its on the bathroom wall.
I think you have a point chumby.
TROLLS sometimes talk to themselves using different user accounts as is being done here.
The giveaway is a long rapid string of comments. Thats abnormal. Casual readers dont post that fast
What ever happened to red Tony and future Tony and all of the other Tonies?
It is a bummer than John bailed out of this place.
their village in China musthave got the Covid.
Is our Tony a restarted powerless version of Q?
‘Retarded’
I’m pretty sure at this point we can wholesale discount any product of the modern ACLU. Its mission is not the same mission that saw the First Amendment defended to the incidental benefit of Nazis.
The movie Skokie seems like fantasy nowadays. No kid growing up today would believe that the ACLU just held neutral universally applicable principles on free speech or civil rights at one time. That’s too disconnected from reality
Skokie got them the civil liberties street cred needed to push leftist totalitarianism as disguised
I’m actually old enough to remember Skokie and the media uproar at the time. I’m not sure I was even aware of the organization prior to that but I supported the the effort. Can’t say I’ve paid much attention in the intervening years until their recent 180. Sad.
The modern ACLU is nothing but an organization of and for subhumans.
The modern ACLU is nothing but an organization of and for donation seeking parasites.
FTFY.
The longest lasting casualty from this trial will be that no conservative will ever support “criminal justice reform” again, because it’s proponents have clearly shown that leniency is a one way street
The main beneficiaries of the reform measure from the Trump years were minorities. Are you kidding? And it is conservatives who point to how blue cities/states harm law-abiding blacks with inane anti-gun laws that put criminals at a huge advantage.
Try using your brain next time.
facts upset you. It happens.
I disagree or, at least it doesn’t have to be that way.
Let’s compare and contrast Kyle’s actions with the LAPD ventilating a pickup truck with two old women in the pursuit of Dorner. If a 17 yr. old, untrained civilian can manage to disable dispatch 3 people with well less than a full magazine, why can’t trained officers?
Let’s compare and contrast Kyle’s actions with the shooting of Laquan McDonald (among others). Kyle had a credible threat *pursue him as he retreaded* and walked away under his own power. If a 17 yr. old, untrained civilian can exercise the restraint Kyle showed, why can’t a trained officers?
Let’s compare and contrast Kyle’s situation and armament with that of officers like after the Boston bombing or even like those in Portland. No tear gas, no riot shields, no MRAPs and he managed to neutralize three perps, one of whom was armed. If a 17 yr. old, untrained civilian doesn’t need MRAPs and drone surveillance, why do trained officers?
Kyle legitimately fired his weapon in self-defense. He voluntarily submitted himself to police custody and stood trial in a fair court for the fact that “a gun went off and someone was struck by the bullets”. If a 17 yr. old, untrained civilian can do it, why can’t trained officers?
The only way ‘police reform won’t hold up, especially in the eyes of conservatives’ is a valid assessment is if you consider police reform a strictly political issue and not a personal responsibility issue.
And *that* point applies to other issues. Don’t like kids with guns in the wrong neighborhood? Maybe reconsider running cover for violent rioters and ‘tobesure’ing actual tiki torch marches where no one gets hurt. That’s not “Don’t report the news.” that’s “Don’t hyperventilate and just call a dumpster fire a dumpster fire and building being set on fire arson.” Don’t respect the jury by saying “Respect the jury” as an opinion. Respect the jury by reporting facts, even facts you may not like, objectively. Even if that means agreeing that there are good people on both sides.
This is an excellent and underappreciated post.
The ACLU probably thinks the Soviet Union did the proper amount of protecting of rights. Or maybe it was Pol Pot’s Cambodia…..
you hit nail on head..when Govt ” protects rights ” it inevitably controls them.
The bullshit of ” we owe our freedom to the US Military ” makes me boil.
What a pathetic lie. Thats just rephrasing ” Government grants us rights.”
Also, Soave, your “centrist” approach to nearly every topic is tedious and retards truth’s propagation. You’re merely serving the state and its apparatuses.
He’s only “centrist” when the topic is something evil the left is doing.
If there’s anything objectionable in the slightest way by the right, or someone on the right, he has no problem blaming them exclusively.
Yes, Robby is pretty squishy. Maybe the chemicals from all his haircare products have softened his brain.
He’s a failing apologist. One might argue he’s a leftist un-apologist.
Writing nopologies?
The Nazi-Regime’s “American Civil Liberties Union”…
Paraphrased, “YOU have no 2A Civil Liberties to defend yourself.”
Almost as fun as watching the champions of “Democracy” steal the election and compulsively Line-Block any attempt at election integrity.
It’s almost like one can predictably expect the EXACT opposite of what’s being advertised to develop from the leftards.
At least they’re consistent. Progs always are terrible.
Seems to me that the following question might be, should be put to the ACLU. How come the strange selectivity displayed by the ACLU respecting which CIVIL LIBERTIES is chooses to defend, compared to which CIVIL LIBERTIES it would allow to fall undefended?
Like I said in the O’Keefe thread, something weird is going on all of a sudden at Reason. If feels as if they’re about to launch a massive fundraising drive or something.
Buyer’s remorse is real.
“…The accounts of former quarterback Colin Kaepernick […] movement made similar statements. These remarks all reek of ignorance:…”
This is not news.
Fuck the ACLU, don’t Burn, Loot and try to Murder kids trying to put out fires in their dad’s hometown.
they example Social Justice not legal moral and ethical justice.
IOW closet Mob Rule
Hey Robby!
Quick up with the hot take.
You are just about the only voice worth reading at Reason these days. Ya got Lenore, the guest writer from Portland and Robby.
I wish you could do takedowns of the left without the throat clear.. but it is so much better than when you started.
I was a supporter of the ACLU before I could vote… Way back in the 70’s when it was uncool for different reasons. I am angry and offended that my civil liberties organization has abandoned civil liberties for partisan politics, socialism/communism and fomenting racism. I welcome anyone who will scream into the darkness with me, trying to get them to turn back to the light.
Move on to the ones actually doing some good: Institute for Justice, and Academic Freedom Alliance.
Been on the IJ train since … Wow, has it been 20 years??
They fight real issues for real people
If you were on the fence about criminal justice reform and also the death penalty, this trial should have pushed you violently into the activist camp.
This was an open and shut case of self defense. This was easy to see.
Yet the prosecutor brought the case anyway.
And normally Rittenhouse would have been in the hands of a public defender.
The prosecutor spent months upon months lying about the facts in the case in the media, tainting the jury pool. We all got to watch the multiple violations by the prosecutor, and many more attempted violations.
And Rittenhouse’s counsel did a mediocre job of protecting his rights. The prosecution actually put on evidence in the form of video a cop downloaded from the net. No chain of custody, no guarantee it was authentic. Nothing… And it was covered in prejudicial commentary. Rittenhouse’s attorney stipulated to the video. As is. WTF!?!
Then the prosecutor had the coo testify as to what Rittenhouse is doing in the video. WTF?!??! He is not a witness to any of it, and they allow him to draw conclusions for the jury. Incompetent.
Despite all the bungling, the facts were all for the defense. So the prosecutor pulls a hail Mary and puts in a last second enhanced video still…. From an interpolated frame of a slowed down video enlarged and enhanced with AI… For those who don’t know… This is not a true image. It is a smear between two frames, that they then smeared further. Cool tech. Makes slowmotion video look better. Not evidence. Fake just as much as if they simply edited it with Photoshop to change the people. They tried to hang the entire case on this one still. And the defense was completely innefective at presenting the issue.
Then it turns out the prosecution sent a downscaled and cropped video to the defense. And it really looks like they downscaled it and sent it late on purpose…claiming complete ignorance of all things computer… But having a copy of handbrake (transcoding software) in the same directory.
Then it turns out that the prosecutor may have charged different people with crimes and slow boated their trial so he could prevent them from testifying. And they may have known who other withnesses we’re, but hid it.
And the defense was almost completely inept at countering it. And the judge kept warning the prosecutor for these and other violations, but did nothing.
This is a high profile case with a couple of million to spend on defense. And that is how bad it was. In other states, this could have been a death penalty case.
And they knew the world was watching…live.
Imagine how bad it is when nobody is watching and you have a poor defendant.
Trusting death or mandatory minimum sentences to this pathetic mess is unconscionable.
This should have black pulled a bunch of people.
“Yet the prosecutor brought the case anyway.”
Thats what theyre paid to do and penny ante charges dont make glowing entries on CV’s…
They literally are paid to not do that. It is part of the oath of office. They are required to seek justice, not convictions.
Yeah,I know. Dare to dream….
I don’t understand how anyone who has been to court could possibly have any faith in the system.
We’re not supposed to have faith in the system, that’s why we have organizations like the ACLU. But the ACLU doesn’t seem interested in holding the system accountable here, either.
unicorns and fairy dust…
I sat on a Jury where just what I posted happened.
the Persecutors Attorney ( fresh out of law school) made a summary statement that the Acvused WAS guilty. The Judge didnt notice.
A couple of we Jurors stayed afterwards and the Judge asked us if we had any comments, in the hearing of the Attorney.
I said that both of them grossly violated the Accuseds Constitutional right to Presumption of Innocence and that it was unforgiveable.
You shoulda seen the look on his face.
The Judge tried to slightly melt back into the woodwork…
You are dumb as a stump. Go to a riot with an ASSAULT RIFLE and then claim after killing two that it was “self defense”? Nobody in their right mind would believe such an absurd claim. Kyle was the ONLY person who KILLED anyone else, not once, but twice. He should have never been there, never brought an assault rifle. It’s time to disarm Americans and ban assault rifles, that’s is perfectly clear. Your claims about the prosecution are bullshit, what you failed to mention, but was widely mentioned elsewhere is how the judge polluted the case from the very beginning. This was not a fair trial – the dead received NO justice whatsoever, so yes, I hope they sue Rittenhouse and the police department into bankruptcy for the rest of their miserable pathetic lives. Here’s what you’re too stupid to realize – the jury was instructed to give a not guilty verdict early on by the proceedings. We will soon hear from the jury that they knew that they gave the wrong verdict but felt that this is what they “had” to do.
You are allowed to carry a gun. You are encouraged to report and extinguish fires when you see them. You are allowed to defend yourself with lethal force if atracked and in fear for your life.
You are not allowed to light buildings on fire – this is arson. You are not allowed to attack people attempting to extinguish said fires – this is assault, in two cases with a weapon.
Questions?
clutch those pearls!
Light that Gas Lamp
The JURY believed it and its not relevant what you think, Mob of One.
Please go jump in front of a full speed freight train.
Not for lack of trying you ignorant frankie cunt. The violent mob you presume had a right to burn, loot and murder anyone they want were the ones in the wrong. Anyone standing opposed to them is not at fault until they become the aggressor in the confrontation. In all cases Kyle was attacked first, often while actively retreating from contact, and responded…textbook self defense.
Sorry you need a new member for your weekly kiddie porn club.
If you were on the fence about criminal justice reform and also the death penalty, this trial should have pushed you violently into the activist camp.
I’d say you’re working from a few false assumptions. Chiefly, the assumption that because the justice system is more humane, people are somehow more humane or crime just magically gets better. Quite arguable that the entire reason Rosenbaum and Grosskreuz were walking freely around Kenosha was because of a humane justice system.
In that regard, this could be considered to be a near-perfect execution of Rosenbaum and this whole thing was pretty much by-the-numbers as to how the justice system should work. Admittedly, not ideal through the vehicle of a teenager and a riot (‘humane’ justice, whaddyagonnado), but private citizens executing violent felons being reviewed by an adversarial court… you may not like the Wild West, but this is closer than the alternative.
The ACLU stopped being a civil liberties organization years ago. They are now just another political hack group. Someone should sue them to change their name; it’s false advertising.
Sort of like “Reason”
“The [ACLU] organization is evidently outraged by the verdict.”
Of course. This verdict wasn’t about a trial as was presented. Rather, it was the verdict of a symbolic trial. It was a microcosm and trial of all the essential -isms, the scaffolding of the statists’ utopia.
So like it or not, utopia and its agents like the ACLU got a well-deserved ass-whoopin’ today, and by a backwoods country, little white boy.
They’re gonna need a bigger -ism.
its a Projection game.
They try to ” glom” onto it to project their agenda as if they, and it, are relevant.
You gotta watch them “igger” words, they trigger the left….
Oh shit, I just did it.
” Youre talking to a nigger!”
Steve Martin, The Jerk
One more GD video popup on this site and im gonna burn it to the ground.
Ive already got Internet gas and internet matches…just waiting for it to get dark.
JHC give it a rest!
So will ACLU defend me if I do so?
LGBTQ!
Ive already got Internet gas and internet matches…just waiting for it to get dark.
It’s not arson. It’s creating a neighborhood that would be a poor decision for teens to go into.
Oh! I C
Not a child but a choice.
Phew Im all straightened out now.
PS Bidens eyes are down to slits..
Not much longer and well have a Prostitute for POTUS.
Prostitute of the United States.
Politician that is a prostitute, but I repeat myself
^^^^^^^^^^ that
Behind closed doors negotiations will have a new meaning.
A hot chick in a minidress goes to a shitty neighborhood and kills everyone who attacks her.
Justice, or totally avoidable?
You’re not a hot chick.
Who wants hot chicks these days? “Girls” with feminine penises is where it’s at. And bears.
Is there video of her making good faith attempts to get away from all of her attackers before killing them? And was she in the area helping the homeless and DV victims?
It is both. She has a right to be there unmolested, and her attackers have no right to attack her. It is imprudent, because having to kill people assaulting her is psychologically damaging and there is no guarantee she will be able to stop them all. What it does not mean is that injustice was done to the attackers.
‘Astounding’ to hear people who still decry the GOP for its ‘moral majority’ past saying, “Justice means nobody making decisions I consider poor, even if they’re right.”
Shit, even Hillary and Tipper weren’t stupid enough to go so far as to allude “Women shouldn’t be allowed to wear short skirts in certain parts of town.”
know why Mexican women wear ling skirts?
To hide the flypaper.
Todays joke break.
Where? I missed the video…
Black Floyday is coming up.
Sounds like a lot of looters and vandals are gonna have a party, get some new bling.
Like Nazi dentists?
Holocaust liar.
Talking to yourself because everyone hates you for being a piece of shit Nazi? Lonely and upset?
Follow your leader.
You’re a literal nazi. Why do you even come here? Shouldn’t you be with your ilk at some nazi comment board waxing nostalgic about the Reich?
You’re a literal holocaust liar.
“You’re a literal holocaust liar.”
Projection from Nazi asshole.
Fuck off and die.
“Holocaust liar.”
Projection from Nazi asshole.
Fuck off and die.
What are Jews without their lies about perpetual bogeymen persecuting them?
Jews have a long history of publicly claiming persecution via a holocaust in many nations besides Germany hundreds of times since before WW1.
These people are habitual holocaust liars. Does the Nazi version in which it is illegal to demonstrate the lie in every nation where it allegedly occurred any more credible?
Jews are the losers who fake persecution like someone who fakes cancer to extort money on a go fund me website. Except eventually their false persecution becomes a little too real when their lies are discovered.
Here are hundreds of examples of holocaust liars.
http://wearswar.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/repeated-claims-of-6-million-jews-dying-decades-before-hitler-vs-ignored-soviet-death-camp-tolls/
Jews are persecuted. By wanna be Nazis, like you. This goes back a long time. The Dreyfus case comes to mind.
Holocaust liar.
“Holocaust liar.”
Projection from Nazi asshole.
Fuck off and die.
Admit it. You’re a bunch of shitstains.
Pissing and moaning about 6 million of your fuckwit brethren dying in each of 166 holocausts for over 100 years.
You pathetic wastes of skin.
:…You pathetic wastes of skin.”
Projection from Nazi asshole.
Fuck off and die.
What is Misek without his Nazi party boner?
Hahaha.
Obviously drunk.
Fuck off, Nazi scum.
He’s only without his Nazi Party boner for a few minutes of “thinking about” his beloved leader.
Sharing the truth using logic and science gives me a boner. Oh yeah!
Your lying limp noodle can neither prove what you claim nor refute what you deny.
That makes you my bitches.
OH! OH!
Nazi shitbag picks cherries, makes a public asshole of himself once more!
Fuck off and die, scumbag
Hundreds of examples of lying Jews faking holocausts isn’t “cherry-picking “.
Hahaha.
Fuck off and die, Nazi shitbag. You stink up the place.
You talk dirty but you’re still my bitch.
Responding to sarc is also self-trolling.
Hi Tulpa!
The ACLU should have a lot to say about this case if they were watching the trial. Kyle’s Fifth and Sixth Amendment rights were infringed several times during the course of the trial. Even if they dislike the Second Amendment, there’s a lot of issues they should be taking up with the prosecution-lying about the law to the jury, hiding evidence from the defense, suborning perjury, and attempting to introduce evidence that had been excluded.
Weird to see the ACLU deciding they don’t care about the rights of a criminal defendant.
Also, rewatching a video from Rekieta where they showed the hearing about the evidence that was withheld from the defense. I really hope there’s a subpoena on ADA Krauss’ laptop. That fucker is dirty. And I’m not talking about the visible stink lines you can see emanating from his suit.
Anyone who stops two arsonists from blowing up a gas station is a hero. That he was subsequently forced to defend himself from the pedo Rosenbaum, the wife beater Huber, and the granny assaulting Grosskreutz does not change that.
It does change it a lot. My approval ratings went way up. Good job Kyle, doing what our judges won’t to clean up violent pederasts and thugs.
Let’s not forget “jump kick man”:
“Wisconsin arrest records show that Freeland has a lengthy criminal history, including charges for battery, disorderly conduct, possession of marijuana and other offenses this year. ”
I’ll never forgive Kyle Rittenhouse – for missing one of those AHs.
Tis way easy to see why racism enters the picture for many analysts on this situation and it’s pretty insincere to constantly pretend everyone’s at step 1 with their approaches to issues. There’s no reason to subtract the element of racism just because it’s uncomfortable yet there’s much reason to determine where anyone is coming from when they insinuate or state a suspicioun of racism in an issue.
Why would anyone think jurors are these righteous blank slates eager to understand the law always? Why aren’t they turds with their arms folded at the threat of antifa and blm and completely with their heads in the sand regarding any racial issue at all? Why aren’t the jurors simply eager to assume crazed antifa/blm rioters were destroying a town and maliciously saw an enemy in the crusading protector of business and property, attacking him to the point he needed to defend himself? It’s realized not all people are geared towards sorting things out for real, right? I was going to say just check the stinky trenches of Facebook and Instagram and you’ll see idiots still mentioning pedofilia and wife beating as if those elements at all need to be considered in this situation, but literally above where I’m typing there’s some nonce allowing his lil’ feelies about “the justice of it all” dictate what he felt should be included of his take on the situation, mentioning those two items. I’d think if I had time to read the comments here I’d see many more bums that migrated from shittier sites over to Reason (which used to be great) that allow the false empowerment of international commenting to have them believe they should at all be mentioning elements not imperative to this. I get a feeling of “the lady doth protest too much” each time I see a grown adult ranting on and on about pedofilia like they’ve never heard of a great country that protects citizens lives even if they have checkered actions within their history. Point is, why can’t the jurors and judge be suspected of having the same flimsy constitutions as some of the bums in these comments? As the author who dismisses racism willy-nilly? Why weren’t all the jurors, again, ignoring crucial evidence in favor of setting their innocent boy free? They are just people, goddamn.
Those elements have no inherent legal impact true, but it certainly ascribes as to the character of the individuals and their probable motivations for attacking Rittenhouse. Thus rendering his claim of self defense more probable on their face. Not to mention it means that one holds little sympathy for the deceased and no real tragedy actually occurred except to the psyche of those still alive.
That should read “claims of self defense” not “claim of self defense”
They attacked Rittenhouse in direct connection with their former crimes? Whaaaat.
If I’m the type of person who has a history of just out and out assaulting others, it is much more likely that I am attempting to do the same during a riot rather than any sort of attempt to stop an active shooter or help others. By and large, people don’t significantly change without adequate impetus and how they would act yesterday is likely how they will act tomorrow.
Schroeder is a great judge. The ACLU should be giving him a medal for ensuring the defendant received a fair trial, based on the evidence, and not on the media coverage.
Self-defense isn’t a right.
There is no Second Amendment.
The ACLU has clearly spoken. The Bill of Rights consists of the following amendments:
One
One
One
Four
Five
Six
Eight
Fourteen
Fifteen
Nineteen
Do you see any Second in there?
See? I told you so.
OneOne
One
Four
Five
Six
Eight
Fourteen
Fifteen
Nineteen
0.5, 5.uterus, 14.LGBTQBIPOC
Math is for racists.
FIFY
Given their silence on the prosecution hijinks they’re not that keen on the 5th either.
Really stupid people commenting here, ignorant couch-potatoes aching for violence. Bunch of dumbasses headed to prison is what I see here.
go elsewhere.
We *had* noticed your arrival, yes.
Go drown in freshly poured concrete.
“One might have expected that an organization dedicated to the preservation of civil liberties would not so cavalierly take the side of prosecutors against the concept of self-defense.”
Only if you mean “expected” as in “hoped” rather than “predicted.” The ACLU used to do good work, but over the years it’s become a good example of what Dennis Prager means when he talks about distinguishing between “liberal” and “leftist.” The ACLU used to be former. Now they’re the latter.
The ACLU is wrong. If anything they should be calling for the Prosecutor to be disbarred.
A jury of his peers found reasonable doubt on the charges. They didn’t deliver a verdict on his prudence, or whether it was his “business” to go 20 miles to defend people from rioters.
But bear in mind…until quite recently, there were young, armed Americans who went *thousands* of miles to supposedly bring democracy and Western-style liberalism to people unconnected to them. And killed more than two people in the pursuit of these supposedly noble ends.
The one thing about this case that should be unifying any halfway reasonable left, right, and center is just how sheisty and cretinous that prosecution was.
This is the problem with making everything about race or the partisan thing that’s super important right this second. The actual systematic flaw (prosecutors are off the chain and need to be held accountable at some point) goes unnoticed.
Obviously, when it comes to radicals, it’s not about actually fixing problems.
Beezard, I didn’t follow close enough to have an opinion of either legal team, but Rittenhouse was overcharged and the result was he walked. That’s on the prosecution.
Then shut up, Barbie Jack.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
Any charges was overcharging. The kid is an American hero.
He walked because he was innocent. I guess that means he was “overcharged”.
“…. injure one person and take the lives of two people protesting the shooting of Jacob Blake by police.”
More like three white rowdies taking advantage of three days of chaos to act out, vandalism, arson, beatdowns, threats of killing you if they caught you alone. I serious doubt they gave a diddly darnn about Jacob Blake.
CNN doesn’t. They featured a segment on the verdict that introduced it as “the town of Kenosha had just suffered the trauma of the killing of an unarmed black man by police, Jacob Blake”
Pretty impressive to get so much wrong in a single sentence as a news broadcaster.
Rittenhouse should have been charged with manslaughter, not 1st degree murder. He’s neither villain or hero but a stupid kid who should not have been walking around at night with a weapon designed specifically to kill humans efficiently, nor should he have been facing life in prison. I’m happy he didn’t get that, but walking away free after essentially bringing dynamite to a volatile situation which then blew up deserved limited punishment.
As to AR15s and other weapons of this type, if allowed at all, they should not be allowed for open carry on our streets. They were designed specifically as killing machines for human targets which have the following design elements. They fire high speed rounds which produce damage to tissue and organs which can often not be treated effectively by doctors because they explode the body, including organs in proximity. The reason for this physics. Damage from rounds increase in a direct straight line result of weight increases, while increases from speed of the round are exponential. Secondly, the smaller rounds means less recoil, and thus more control by the shooter. Being high capacity and light semi-automatics add to the lethal mix. You can Google it and read what doctors who treat these type wounds have to say to confirm this. Unless we think Elon Musk and Bill Gates should be able to buy nuclear weapons, we all agree there should be limits on what private citizens should legally be allowed to own in the US. These weapons should not be among them, or at least be restricted and not allowed on our streets in open carry.
Your opinion has been noted and dismissed, Karen. Please pop more pills and cry harder.
Fuck off and die, asshole.
KR is a hero who protected his community from violent rioters who caused over $50 million in property damage and were attacking people. This was clear self defense period.
Those rioters had no business on the street in the first place. You democrats were given an object lesson. Don’t ignore it and you will live longer.
“with a weapon designed specifically to kill humans efficiently, ”
This is not what it was designed to do, the military doesn’t seek to kill but to coerce. It’s designed to get people to stop doing the things you don’t want them to do, as such it’s perfectly appropriate as a self-defense weapon.
” They fire high speed rounds”
Compared to what? They fire slower rounds than deer rifles like those chambered in .308.
” which produce damage to tissue and organs which can often not be treated effectively by doctors”
No, the cause the same sort of wounds all bullets do.
” because they explode the body, including organs in proximity.”
No bullets don’t generally explode in the body, the can disintegrate but that’s true of any bullet.
“Damage from rounds increase in a direct straight line result of weight increases, while increases from speed of the round are exponential. ”
No damage from increased speed would at most increase with the square of the velocity not exponentially.
“You can Google it and read what doctors who treat these type wounds have to say to confirm this. ”
Don’t tell us to google things, if you have evidence present it.
” we all agree there should be limits on what private citizens should legally be allowed to own in the US. ”
Yep and according to the constitution it should be at least guns useful in the militia, which includes 5.56mm.
“Secondly, the smaller rounds means less recoil, and thus more control by the shooter. ”
How is that a bad thing? If you’re using it for self-defense it’s important to hit the attacker, not Joe down the street.
“but walking away free after essentially bringing dynamite to a volatile situation ”
Dynamite doesn’t blow up by itself, it’s remarkably stable unless something very violent happens to it. So how is it his fault that people choose to attack him?
Don’t bother. No understanding of physics and no desire to understand it. Just a desire to parrot talking points to political/moral ends. Political or moral ends which, again are neither understood or truly cared about. He doesn’t want to make a valid, cogent argument, he just wants to defend a convicted pedophile in an attempt to assault a minor.
If he did have a desire to understand, he’d realize that Elon Musk actually already has the ‘keys’ to weapons far more powerful than nuclear weapons and that slower frangible rounds, rounds banned by the Hague Convention (explicitly banned for military, not civilian, use), and semiautomatic guns that fire the rounds, have been available to Americans, even minors (by today’s standards), for over 100 yrs.
NB: Dynamite can blow up ‘by itself’. If left to sit, the nitroglycerin can sweat out of the dynamite and become as volatile as, well, nitroglycerin.
It does provide the current stupid set of talking points circulating in fucktard outrage world, so there’s that. And, nitroglycerin, having sweated out of dynamite, still requires something to set it off. A shock, typically.
LiveMike –
Here you go on links – this will take you to many:
https://www.google.com/search?q=high+velocity+bullet+damage&rlz=1C1GCEA_enUS958US958&oq=high+velocity+bull&aqs=chrome.7.0i512j69i57j0i512l4j0i22i30l4.19483j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
I didn’t say the rounds explode, I said they explode the body which is exactly what ER docs and others dealing with the aftermath describe. This includes organs not even hit but close by.
Also, a “square” means an exponent of 2.
Kinetic energy: KE = 1/2mv2 (where m is mass and v is velocity)
“Abstract
High velocity bullets inflict large wounds consisting of permanent and temporary wound tracks. The temporary cavity, which is present for only a few thousanths of a second, may inflict great damage at a distance from the permanent wound track. This feature sets such wounds apart from other penetrating and perforating wounds. Surgeons should attempt to determine the ballistics characteristics of the missile which inflicted the wound since the probable extent of injury may be predicted and appropriate treatment applied.”
“I have seen a handful of AR-15 injuries in my career. Years ago I saw one from a man shot in the back by a swat team. The injury along the path of the bullet from an AR-15 is vastly different from a low-velocity handgun injury. The bullet from an AR-15 passes through the body like a cigarette boat traveling at maximum speed through a tiny canal. The tissue next to the bullet is elastic—moving away from the bullet like waves of water displaced by the boat—and then returns and settles back. This process is called cavitation; it leaves the displaced tissue damaged or killed. The high-velocity bullet causes a swath of tissue damage that extends several inches from its path. It does not have to actually hit an artery to damage it and cause catastrophic bleeding. Exit wounds can be the size of an orange.”
“Abstract
The gunshot wounds sustained on the battlefield caused by military ammunition can be different in nature to those usually encountered in the civilian setting. The main difference is that military ammunition has typically higher velocity with therefore greater kinetic energy and consequently potential to destroy tissue. The surgical priorities in the management of gunshot wounds are hemorrhage control, preventing infection, and reconstruction.”
” “The picture is radically different in the case of a high-velocity missile. As the bullet enters the body, there is a “tail splash,” or the backward hurling of injured tissue. The bullet passes through the target, creating a large temporary cavity whose maximum diameter may be up to 30 times the diameter of the original bullet. The maximum diameter of the cavity occurs at the point at which the maximum rate of loss of kinetic energy occurs. This cavity will undulate for 5 to 10 msec before coming to rest as a permanent track. In high-velocity centerfire rifles, the expanding walls of the temporary cavity are capable of doing severe damage. Local pressures on the order of 100 to 200 atm may develop. This pressure may produce injuries to blood vessels, nerves, or organs that are a considerable distance from the path of the bullet. Fractures can occur even without direct contact between the bone and a rifle bullet. Positive and negative pressures alternate in the wound, with resultant sucking of foreign material and bacteria into the wound from both entrance and exit.
“¼ Energy loss along a wound track is not uniform. Variations may be due either to behavior of the bullet or changes in the density of the tissue as the bullet goes from one organ to another. An increase in kinetic energy loss is reflected in an increase in the diameter of the temporary cavity. A full metal-jacketed rifle bullet will produce a cylindrical cavity until it begins to tumble. At this time, the bullet’s cross-sectional area will become larger, and the drag force will be increased. The result is an increase in kinetic energy loss and thus an increase in the diameter of the temporary cavity. With hunting ammunition, the picture is radically different. The bullet will begin to expand shortly after entering the body, with a resultant rapid loss of kinetic energy. A large temporary cavity is formed immediately as the bullet enters the body.
“¼ It has been found that above a certain critical velocity (800 to 900 m/sec or 2625 to 2953 ft/sec), the character of a wound changes radically with tissue destruction becoming much more severe. Trans- or super-sonic flow within the tissue causing strong shockwaves has been assumed to be responsible for this effect. In experiments by Rybeck and Janzon, 6-mm steel balls weighing 0.86 gm were fired at the hind legs of dogs. They found that at a velocity of 510 m/sec, the volume of macroscopically injured muscle was only slightly larger than the diameter of the bullet. At 978 and 1313 m/sec, the volume of devitalized muscle was seen to be 20 to 30 times the volume of the permanent cavity.”
I feel your pain, loser.
If you think a .223 is bad, Joe, you should see what a .303 round does to a deer.
Or a .40 caliber pistol round (the kind Napoleon Blownapart was carrying) to a human body.
This never should have gone to trial in the first place, but in the end, justice was served. Also a good lesson for all you America hating activists. Here it is.
Don’t bring a skateboard to a gun fight!!
Also, don’t try to badtouch young boys.
Keep your dumpster fires in your own dumpster.
I’m surprised by the verdict, not because that even thought I feel that it is very clearly that Kyle Rittenhouse acted in self defense, but because the jury found the courage to judge him as peers instead of allowing their decision to be influenced by the woke mob and corporate media.
Kudos to the jury.
“History doesn’t repeat itself but it often rhymes” – “Mark Twain”
James Butler Hickok (May 27, 1837 – August 2, 1876), better known as “Wild Bill” Hickok, was a folk hero of the American Old West known for his life on the frontier as a soldier, scout, lawman, gambler, showman, and actor, and for his involvement in many famous gunfights. He earned a great deal of notoriety in his own time, much of it bolstered by the many outlandish and often fabricated tales he told about himself.[citation needed] Some contemporaneous reports of his exploits are known to be fictitious, but they remain the basis of much of his fame and reputation.[citation needed]
Hickok was born and raised on a farm in northern Illinois at a time when lawlessness and vigilante activity was rampant because of the influence of the “Banditti of the Prairie”*. Drawn to this ruffian lifestyle, he headed west at age 18 as a fugitive from justice, working as a stagecoach driver and later as a lawman in the frontier territories of Kansas and Nebraska. He fought and spied for the Union Army during the American Civil War and gained publicity after the war as a scout, marksman, actor, and professional gambler. He was involved in several notable shootouts during the course of his life.
*The Banditti of the Prairie, also known as The Banditti, Prairie Pirates, Prairie Bandits, and Pirates of the Prairie, in the U.S. states of Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio, and the Territory of Iowa, were a group of loose-knit outlaw gangs, during the early to mid-19th century. Though bands of roving criminals were common in many parts of Illinois, the counties of Lee, DeKalb, Ogle, and Winnebago were especially plagued by them.[1] The new crime wave in the region of the frontier Midwest may have occurred following the crackdown on Southern outlaws by the rising vigilante-regulator movement and the breakup of the criminal syndicate of John A. Murrell and his gang, the “Mystic Clan” in the Southern United States. In 1841, the escalating pattern of house burglary, horse and cattle theft, stagecoach and highway robbery, counterfeiting, and murder associated with the Banditti had come to a head in Ogle County. As the crimes continued, local citizens formed bands of vigilantes known as Regulators. A clash between the Banditti and the Regulators in Ogle County near Oregon, Illinois, resulted in the outlaws’ demise and decreased Banditti activity and violent crime within the county.
“escalating pattern of house burglary, horse and cattle theft, stagecoach and highway robbery, counterfeiting, and murder ”
Oh, Democrats.
Meh
Where was the due process?
I don’t want to sound judgmental, but the banditi of the prairie sound like dicks!
Today I Learned…..
A lot of new sock puppets were created, and some severely mentally ill people found their way here for the first time.
To the first group:. Stop it. It was dumb in 1997. I cannot imagine why one would do it 20 years after the middle school giggle wore off. If you have anti-libertarian views, by all means argue the point with vigor. Good ideas are forged in a crucible of open debate. But stop the juvenile and uninspired trolling. You guys are invoking the Billy Madison speech far too often.
And to the second group… Get some help. Go back on your medication. Call family and find someone who can shepherd you to appropriate healthcare. The rest of us are praying for you. Well, except for the atheist contingent. They are just hoping you find appropriate medical care.
theyre mostly Chinese and Russian agitators, ergo, know nothing of the US. It shows in theircomments.
Objection! “The ACLU Thinks…” is assuming facts not in evidence.
The ACLU has the right to remain silent. If they give up that right anything they say may be taken down and used against them.
No, don’t think the Russians or Chinese are much concerned, or aware of, with Reason or libertarians.
But the leftists of the pajama class corporate media are. David Brock is, and Brock has been running troll brigades for a decade now.
Though some I bet are sincere leftists, since the left is nothing but a hivemind of malevolent mass psychosis demanding totalitarian dominion these days.
Things learned:
The police are going to let BLM/antifa burn cities. The left encourages and wants them to burn cities. If you are going to show up, show up armed, and use force when necessary…because they will have no hesitancy using it on you, and writing headlines such as “Gage Grosskreutz heroically shoots white supremacist that was killing BLM members”, right before Biden gives him a presidential medal of freedom.
What any truly neutral, clear headed judge should take away: the tactics of the left are going to get worse. Next time, fuck them, declare a mistrial with prejudice. Or a direct a verdict when its clear. The prosecution not only dropped the ball, but clearly tried to ratfuck Kyle…and the corporate media did everything possible to try and intimidate or sway the jury. The fix is in, and if you want a shred of dignity left in the justice system, you have to stamp this shit out right now. They have to know that if they try and get a conviction via mob aggression, that you will put a stop to it.
My Give a Damns busted.
Run Riot ! CFI care.
Burn down THEIR cities. NY DC Pissland Atlanta LA
CFI care
Yay!
Ahem… that was a mixture of realism and sarcasm.
They come HERE and itll get ugly REAL fast.
My understanding is that the Judge asked Kyle to go outside and defend the courthouse while the verdict was being read.
Truth. As reported by reputable mainstream media outlets.
RIMSHOT!
Boy, my entire Youtube-pushed ‘straight news’ feed is 100% Kyle Rittenhouse. The tears are raining from the sky. They literally put aside the “Get your jab” propaganda from NBC, CBS, Bloomberg and ABC to tell me why the Rittenhouse verdict is a tragedy for
looting, burning, killingcivil disobedience.In their defense, Kyle was responsible for almost 30% of the COVID deaths in Kenosha on 8/25.
Youtube, a Google company.
Says it all.
For Tony and any other “if the shooter wuz black he’d have been found SuperGuilty” people:
https://www.wptv.com/news/region-indian-river-county/alteria-woods-man-charged-for-murder-of-woman-during-swat-raid-found-not-guilty-mother-supports-jurys-decision
Black male defendant cleared of all violent charges in regards to him shooting at police during a SWAT raid. In fact he was charged with the murder of his girlfriend, who was ventilated by the panicky police. A good decision from a libertarian standpoint. Good luck finding a story about it on CNN or MSNBC though.
I dunno what the big deal is, Chicago lets black suspects shoot people all the time without filing any charges.
THEY usually shoot at each other. Das OK its not Ray-ciss.
https://twitter.com/AmySwearer/status/1461801378137919489
Twitter thread with many MANY other names of minority suspects either acquitted at trial, or had charges dropped upon investigation, or never had charges filed against them in cases of self defense.
Eat shit Tony.
tony does. Thats why it acts that way.
hes a Stupid Newfie…
The ACLU hasn’t been a consistent defender of rights for a half century. It forgets or ignores that civil rights can’t be compromised without contradicting their meaning and eventually destroying them.
The Commie Left Agitators went to Commie Colleges and got degrees.
Now they run the corporations. Right down the drain.
The ACLU hasn’t read “Moral Rights and Political Freedom” by UTexas prof Tara Smith.
Cori Bush: “I’m hurt. I’m angry. I’m heartbroken.”
Good. Keep your rioting thugs out of our cities and you won’t have to worry about it.
During the height of BLM riots, polls showed that most black people wanted MORE police on the streets. A black witness gave an accurate account of the incident and testified that one of the “victims” shouted the N word and acted aggressively.
There exists two Americas. There’s one that exists in the diseased minds of liberals, where white supremacy permeates every aspect of society and some white guy riding on a bike can jump a person of color out of sport because the legacy of slavery infects his mind.
Then there’s the other America, a country with enough foreigners to form their own country, and thousands cross sea and desert to fine refuge.
The BLM mfers will all flock to Canada if they ever manage to burn down America. That’s the whitest country on this side of the earth. Not one of these white hating lunatics will ever cross over to a non white society and learn a new language and assimilate into their culture. Many blacks will flee CA if it ever became a Latino majority state.
During the height of the BLM riots Trumpista rednecks with green teeth were struggling to media-lynch candidate Jo Jorgensen. Their argument, parroted from back when Malcolm X was shot, is that “all BLM sympathizers are card-carrying members of the Communist Party acting on orders from Moscow.” The current crop of racial collectivists, brown and white, are as different from each other in their tactics as the Team Red and Team Blue factions of the looter kleptocracy.
Take your meds or fuck off, Hank.
Jo Jorgensen on Black Lives Matter: ‘I Think We Should Support the Protesters’
But she warns against “opportunistic people hijacking the movement.”
Regardless of Trumpista/Chicom, unquestionably brilliant leadership material. Really just the best. Hard to believe that with such a clearly superior third option, Hank and Jo haven’t been able to convince anyone that they’re significantly different than the “Good people on both sides” and “We would’ve treated BLM protestors storming the Capitol very differently.” Hard to fathom how libertarians aren’t sick of all the winning.
WTF with the video? JUDGE FINDS???
No, the JURY FINDS.
This sounds like the Media lie about ” police file charges.”
Is there anyone in the Media NOT as brain dead as Joe Brandon?
FJB
The ACLU has joined the clown show
Time to tell the ACLU to take a hike. Send no money to them. Make no donations . Nothing. Show them no support.
ACLU now gets nothing from us. Reason now gets $5/year so Welsh knows he hasn’t been forgotten. Ditto IJ; they have yet to see any danger from the government take-over of the economy.
These folks: https://pacificlegal.org/ seem to have grasped that the Newsoms of the world represent a real danger.
They now get the ‘lump’ of our contributions.
“Reason now gets $5/year so Welsh knows he hasn’t been forgotten”
When the phone doesn’t ring you’ll know it’s me…
So as I understand it the problem is that Rittenhouse is a “vigilante”. In other words, he took the law into his own hands.
So what do we call people who burn down a town to express their feelz about Jacob Blake? Seems like they kinda…took the law into their own hands.
You are guilty of wrongthink, they were just peacefully protesting.
Rejected once by Dems, George Wallace remarked: “There’s not a dime’s worth of difference between the Democrat and Republican parties.” Reason, a libertarian magazine not sympathetic to either hateful Kleptocracy faction, is suddenly flooded with fake name sockpuppets whose every utterance proves that Wallace was right about that one thing. Dem and GOP collectivists accurately describe each other while struggling to simultaneously ignore the LP and hate-raid a libertarian magazine.
Seems somebody missed the “BOWF SIDEZ!” idiocy.
Yes, there are two major tribes. Yes, they are both bad. No, any/all other tribes aren’t necessarily any better. No, decrying the two tribes or exempting yourself from them doesn’t make you better or more enlightened. It just makes you part of a less powerful and arguably more idiotic tribe.
Pope: “Blame the sin, not the sinner.”
Hank: “BUT, MUH TRIBEZ!”
[ACLU complained that Rittenhouse was not held accountable for his “conscious decision to travel across state lines and injure one person and take the lives of two people “/]
Except the jury specifically rejected the idea that he consciously choose to take the injure one person lives of two people. If he did that it was aggravated assault and two counts of murder. He consciously decided to defend himself. He presumably had no intentions about the ending of their lives one way or another. From experience when you think you are going to die you’re apathetic about everything else. Whether your enemy lives or dies matters about as much as last years Superbowl scores – to an Englishman.
Not the first to make this point (credit where due):
If you did not threaten the life of Kyle Rittenhouse, you were in no danger at all.
He shot no one who did not try to kill him.
LiveMike, I replied above to your comments.
https://reason.com/2021/11/19/kyle-rittenhouse-verdict-acquitted-aclu-media-liberals/?comments=true#comment-9222853
“… the ACLU complained that Rittenhouse was not held accountable for his “conscious decision to travel across state lines and injure one person and take the lives of two people protesting the shooting of Jacob Blake by police.”
Suspicion of a white man being “not from around here” is justification to disable his civil rights and confirm his guilt, says ACLU? There’s this new concept that protesters against racial inequities can bus in from all over the country, but counter-protesters must be “local” or stay away. Convenient rule…
The ACLU is a communist org with deep ties to the bosheviks and socialists who immigrated from Russia 100 years ago..occasionaly they take a pro liberty position to provide cover.
The Nordstrom store and markets in San Francisco are desperate to hire Kyle and his admirers as extra security. Unionized San Francisco police were busy busting an unlicensed potted plant as nearly a hundred VICTIMS forgot to pay for armloads of merchandise.
Take your meds or fuck off, Hank.
Heh. Kenosha County School District shifted 5 schools to remote learning in anticipation of the unrest.
Can’t have kids making the poor decision to go somewhere they shouldn’t be… like school.
Having no clue about the Rittenhouse case, because they got their news from MSNBC or CNN, they now feel virtuous outrage that “a white supremacist crossed state lines with an assault rifle & shot three innocent black guys.” The mind boggles at the depth of ignorance on the left. As for the ACLU — they sold out years ago.
Kyle Rittenhouse was at the gas station his grandparents owned, when rioters lit a dumpster on fire, and rolled it toward the gas pumps, in hopes of igniting the tanks. When he went toward the dumpster fire with a fire extinguisher he was assaulted with lethal force by two felons and one professional agitator, who, unlike Rittenhouse, was illegally carrying a firearm.
Please stop aiding and abetting the narrative which says that he injected himself gratuitously into the riots.
He was there to defend his family property, clean graffiti from his school, and to render aid to the wounded impartially. His were acts of selfless good citizenship and self defense that this magazine is ordinarily quite vocal about promoting and defending. Reason magazine usually does not recommend passively waiting for the state to solve civic problems.
For shame, sir.
The ACLU was formed by members of the communist party to use our laws against us. They pick and choose who they will defend aka NO conservatives, only liberal causes. They are rotting flesh and need to be buried, DEEP.
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Graphic video shows a speeding vehicle ram through participants of the Christmas parade in #Waukesha, Wisc. Few details confirmed at this point though the police said they have a person of interest they’re looking into. [Video]
Some utterly defeated, whining, morally curb stomped twitter leftists already say that the SUV driver will be claiming self-defense.
Insufficiently morally curb stomped apparently.
Rittenhouse’s guilt or innocence aside, whenever I hear people express their relief upon learning that someone has been charged with a reviled crime — ‘Did they catch him? They did? Well, that’s a load off the mind!’ — I mentally hear the phrase, ‘We’ll give ’im a fair trial, then we’ll hang ’im.’ If I point out the person may be wrongly accused and is being railroaded, I could receive the erroneous refrain, ‘Well if he’s truly innocent, he has nothing to worry about.’
It’s why I strongly feel the news-media should refrain from publishing the identity of people charged with a crime — especially one of a repugnant nature, for which they are jailed pending trial (as is typically done) — until at least after they’ve been convicted.
Considering the serious flaws, even corruption, in the law-enforcement and justice system — great injustices committed, both hidden and exposed — no one should have their name permanently tarnished and life potentially ruined because the news-media insists upon immediately running a breaking story. I find that it epitomizes an unjust presumption of guilt.
I agree with this, mostly. What I think is that police and prosecutors should be forbidden from revealing the identity of accused/indicted persons unless a conviction is obtained. It’s hard to know what to do about court proceedings, because they are supposed to be open to the public and the internet does exist. Maybe, or order to prevent pre-conviction identity publication, defendants in a criminal case could sit behind one-way mirrors. As soon as a conviction is obtained, the mirrors could pulled away and the name revealed. Still not perfect because facts of the case would still point to the identity of the defendent, but there is no perfect world.
Slightly OT:
5 People Killed and 40 Injured After SUV Plows Into Wisconsin Christmas Parade
So, this prompted me to visit the ACLU’s website, which I hadn’t been to in a couple of years.
Yow! I though I’d accidentally gone to BLM’s website, or maybe an Antifa chapter. They haven’t just gone ’round the bend in the last couple of years, they then built a new bend to go around!
The ACLU was always a far left bolshevik org that superficially was for “civil rights.” Most of the time they were pushing cultural marxism given their roots during the red scare in NYC. mostly communists..
Not surprising. The odd thing is the ACLU believes itself to be non-partisan.
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The ACLU is now nothing more than mouthpiece for the DNC and the other ultra-leftist / Marxists trying to destroy this country from within…
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