Extending Its Stay, the 5th Circuit Says OSHA's Vaccine Mandate Is 'Fatally Flawed'
A unanimous three-judge panel concludes that the decree "grossly exceeds OSHA's statutory authority."

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit has extended its stay on the Biden administration's COVID-19 vaccine mandate for private employers, which the unanimous three-judge panel called "fatally flawed" and "staggeringly broad." The stay, which the court issued on Friday evening, says OSHA shall "take no steps to implement or enforce the Mandate until further court order." It is officially a preliminary pause "pending adequate judicial review of the petitioners' underlying motions for a permanent injunction." But the court left little doubt that it would grant those motions, saying "petitioners' challenges to the Mandate show a great likelihood of success on the merits."
The appeals court was responding to several lawsuits challenging the vaccine mandate, including complaints by businesses, employees, and five states (Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and Utah), all of which are now consolidated under the heading BST Holdings v. OSHA. The 5th Circuit originally issued a stay on November 6, the day after the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) published an "emergency temporary standard" (ETS) demanding that companies with 100 or more employees require them to be vaccinated against COVID-19 or wear face masks and undergo weekly testing. That stay said the ETS raised "grave statutory and constitutional issues," which the new order, written by Judge Kurt Engelhardt and joined by Judges Edith Jones and Stuart Kyle Duncan, spells out in detail.
The court flatly states that the ETS "grossly exceeds OSHA's statutory authority," adding that the mandate "raises serious constitutional concerns." It says the Occupational Safety and Health Act, the purported legal basis for the mandate, "was not—and likely could not be, under the Commerce Clause and nondelegation doctrine—intended to authorize a workplace safety administration in the deep recesses of the federal bureaucracy to make sweeping pronouncements on matters of public health affecting every member of society in the profoundest of ways."
The ETS option, which OSHA rarely uses, allows the agency to circumvent the usual rule making process, which typically takes years, by imposing regulations that take effect immediately upon publication. But to avoid the public notice, comment, and hearing requirements that ordinarily apply to OSHA rules, the agency has to identify a "grave danger" to employees "from exposure to substances or agents determined to be toxic or physically harmful or from new hazards." It also has to show the emergency standard is "necessary to protect employees from such danger."
The 5th Circuit notes that the statutory requirements for an ETS are difficult to satisfy. "In its fifty-year history, OSHA has issued just ten ETSs," Engelhardt writes. "Six were challenged in court; only one survived. The reason for the rarity of this form of emergency action is simple: courts and the Agency have agreed for generations that '[e]xtraordinary power is delivered to [OSHA] under the emergency provisions of the Occupational Safety and Health Act,' so '[t]hat power should be delicately exercised, and only in those emergency situations which require it.'"
OSHA's ETS "is anything but a 'delicate[] exercise[]' of this 'extraordinary power,'" the 5th Circuit says. "Rather than a delicately handled scalpel, the Mandate is a one-size-fits-all sledgehammer that makes hardly any attempt to account for differences in workplaces (and workers) that have more than a little bearing on workers' varying degrees of susceptibility to the supposedly 'grave danger' the Mandate purports to address."
The court thinks it is doubtful that the COVID-19 virus qualifies as a "toxic or physically harmful" substance or agent—a key point of contention in the government and petitioner briefs that preceded this ruling. The judges are also skeptical that the virus counts as a "new hazard." They say Texas made a "compelling argument" that the phrase should be understood in context to exclude airborne viruses.
"To avoid 'giving unintended breadth to the Acts of Congress,' courts 'rely on the principle of noscitur a sociis—a word is known by the company it keeps,'" Engelhardt writes. "Here, OSHA's attempt to shoehorn an airborne virus that is both widely present in society (and thus not particular to any workplace) and non-life-threatening to a vast majority of employees into a neighboring phrase connoting toxicity and poisonousness is [a] transparent stretch." He adds that "any argument OSHA may make that COVID-19 is a 'new hazard[]' would directly contradict OSHA's prior representation to the D.C. Circuit that '[t]here can be no dispute that COVID-19 is a recognized hazard.'"
That point aside, the 5th Circuit says, OSHA has failed to make the case that the 84 million workers covered by the ETS are actually "exposed" to the "grave danger" it perceives. The government argued that OSHA had met this test by presenting "myriad studies" of COVID-19 "clusters" and "outbreaks" in workplaces as "evidence of workplace transmission" and "exposure." That argument "misses the mark," Engelhardt writes, because "OSHA is required to make findings of exposure—or at least the presence of COVID-19—in all covered workplaces." He says OSHA "cannot possibly show that every workplace covered by the Mandate currently has COVID-positive employees, or that every industry covered by the Mandate has had or will have 'outbreaks.'"
Does COVID-19 pose a "grave danger" in all those settings? "The Mandate itself concedes that the effects of COVID-19 may range from 'mild' to 'critical,'" the court notes. It adds that the threat from COVID-19 depends on transmission trends, which have "varied since the President announced the general parameters of the Mandate in September," and the vaccination rate among employees. "For the more than
seventy-eight percent of Americans aged 12 and older [who are] either fully or partially inoculated against it," Engelhardt writes, "the virus poses—the Administration assures us—little risk at all."
The court thinks OSHA's prior positions regarding communicable diseases "further belie the notion that COVID-19 poses the kind of emergency that allows OSHA to take the extreme measure of an ETS." The ETS, it says, "makes no serious attempt to explain why OSHA and the President himself were against vaccine mandates before they were for one here."
In 1989, when OSHA issued a standard addressing bloodborne pathogens to which employees could be exposed in the course of their work, OSHA rejected a vaccination mandate, saying "health in general is an intensely personal matter," and "OSHA prefers to encourage, rather than try to force by governmental coercion, employee cooperation in [a] vaccination program." When OSHA issued a COVID-19 ETS for the health care industry in June 2021, it likewise did not deem mandatory vaccination appropriate or necessary. Last December, President Joe Biden said he did not think COVID-19 vaccination "should be mandatory"—a position that administration officials reiterated as late as July and August, shortly before the White House announced OSHA's vaccine mandate.
Even assuming that COVID-19 poses a "grave danger" in workplaces, the 5th Circuit says, OSHA has not shown its ETS is "necessary" to address it. OSHA tried to satisfy that criterion by exempting employees who work exclusively outdoors or who work from home or other remote locations where they do not come into contact with other employees. But in the court's view, that attempt at tailoring the ETS is inadequate.
"The Mandate is staggeringly overbroad," Engelhardt writes. "Applying to 2 out of 3 private-sector employees in America, in workplaces as diverse as the country itself, the Mandate fails to consider what is perhaps the most salient fact of all: the ongoing threat of COVID-19 is more dangerous to some employees than to other employees. All else equal, a 28-year-old trucker spending the bulk of his workday in the solitude of his cab is simply less vulnerable to COVID-19 than a 62 year-old prison janitor. Likewise, a naturally immune unvaccinated worker is presumably at less risk than an unvaccinated worker who has never had the virus." The mandate covers "virtually all industries and workplaces in America, with little attempt to account for the obvious differences between the risks facing, say, a security guard on a lonely night shift and a meatpacker working shoulder to shoulder in a cramped warehouse." OSHA "fails almost completely to address, or even respond to, much of this reality and common sense."
At the same time, the court says, the ETS is "underinclusive," since it does not apply to businesses that employ fewer than 100 people. "The most vulnerable worker in America draws no protection from the Mandate if his company employs 99 workers or fewer," Engelhardt notes. "The reason why? Because, as even OSHA admits, companies of 100 or more employers will be better able to administer (and sustain) the Mandate….That may be true. But this kind of thinking belies the premise that any of this is truly an emergency. Indeed, underinclusiveness of this sort is often regarded as a telltale sign that the government's interest in enacting a liberty-restraining pronouncement is not in fact 'compelling.'"
The court adds that "the underinclusive nature of the Mandate implies that the Mandate's true purpose is not to enhance workplace safety, but instead to ramp up vaccine uptake by any means necessary." That is in fact how the White House presented the mandate in September. The aim, it said, was to "reduce the number of unvaccinated Americans by using regulatory powers and other actions to substantially increase the number of Americans covered by vaccination requirements."
The petitioners argued that workplace safety was merely a pretext for accomplishing that goal, and the 5th Circuit is clearly inclined to agree. "After the President voiced his displeasure with the country's vaccination rate in September," Engelhardt says, "the Administration pored over the U.S. Code in search of authority, or a 'work-around,' for imposing a national vaccine mandate. The vehicle it landed on was an OSHA ETS."
In addition to exceeding OSHA's statutory authority, the 5th Circuit says, the ETS "likely exceeds the federal government's authority under the Commerce Clause, because it regulates noneconomic inactivity [i.e., the decision to forgo vaccination] that falls squarely within the States' police power." Furthermore, the court says, "concerns over separation of powers principles cast doubt over the Mandate's assertion of virtually unlimited power to control individual conduct under the guise of a workplace regulation."
The ETS, Engelhardt says, "derives its authority from an old statute employed in a novel manner, imposes nearly $3 billion in compliance costs, involves broad medical considerations that lie outside of OSHA's core competencies, and purports to definitively resolve one of today's most hotly debated political issues." Yet "there is no clear expression of congressional intent…to convey OSHA such broad authority, and this court will not infer one."
In a concurring opinion, Judge Duncan emphasizes that courts "expect Congress to speak clearly when authorizing an agency to exercise powers of 'vast economic and political significance.'" He thinks "whether Congress could enact such a sweeping mandate under its interstate commerce power would pose a hard question." But "whether OSHA can do so does not."
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Check mate! This court is not fooled by the fools in the White House acting on behalf of fool. The mandate is dead. All that remains is it funeral. What shenanigans will the communists resort to now to kill off as many as possible?
The Communists actually don't care. All they care is that we are screaming at each other about Mandates, instead of talking about their epic failure in Afghanistan. If this mandate had stuck, all the better, but it wasn't needed.
Being able to portray their opponents as anti vaxxers is probably the most favorable political position possible for the Democrats. The more the fighting is around vaccine mandates, the more likely those accusations are to stick (assuming as given the continued subservience of the media).
Yup. And getting this slapped down is best for them too. They can say, “hey, we tried to save people” and put the death count back up on their news broadcasts. (With a new start date)
If it’s implemented they have to prove that it was worth it, which of course won’t sell to millions of fired workers or anyone concerned about liberty.
The libs will skip right past the fact that it was a terrible idea, and say “well, it didn’t happen anyway, so what’s the big deal?”, just as mike does with the FBI looking into the “domestic terrorists” who are unhappy with their school boards.
They’ll be in victim mode, which is like home to them. Add in the untold millions of (future) deaths (!) that will happen when the BBB monstrosity fails and there’s your platform for the next couple of elections.
“Poor us. The meanies won’t let us do incredibly stupid shit. Don’t forget to vote!”
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Being able to portray their opponents as anti vaxxers is probably the most favorable political position possible for the Democrats.
Disagree. A year ago referring to anyone who opposed the mandates as anti-vaxxers may've played to the base, the whole base. Now, referring to anyone who opposes the mandates as anti-vaxxers alienates the moderate portion of the base. Fatigue has set in, they've all gotten vaccinated and are ready to get back to normal. Whether they don't care because they don't want to continue to be held back by the unvaccinated or because they are actually sympathetic to the unvaccinated is immaterial. Continuing to say things won't get back to normal without the mandates isn't winning them over in large and increasing numbers.
I agree with you.
Presumably there were many people from the left and the right that begrudgingly got the jab in the first place, that won't be as willing to get boosters.
"referring to anyone" isn't what they're doing. The media does that, which you continue to rail against ineffectually.
What the Democrats are doing is imposing mandates and sucking up oxygen so that reactive elements of the opposition are consumed with opposing mandates. Then, during the election, they get to run on imposing vaccine mandates, and their opponents get to run on opposing them.
Every Democrat executive I can think of owns the vaccine mandates and outsources the mask and movement restrictions: the mandate is happening because I care and something has to be done about those anti-vax nutjobs. The lockdown is happening because The Science, as explained by That Guy, requires it. My hands are tied.
If you think frustration with the lockdowns is going to bring the median voter in swing states to an anti-mandate position you're mistaken - they'll go along with the rhetorical separation that the Democrats already push and the media echos. So, Republican candidates will get to answer questions about vaccine effectiveness instead of about literally anything else, which would be more favorable.
Stop trying to win PR campaigns, or worse here, assuming one is going your way. And then gambling with the country on your assumption.
The Heffalumps merely need to make the proper analogy:
Mandates are unconstitutional because they interfere with your private health. Imagine if they mandated birth control shots! To kill unborn babies Donkeys want choice, but not about what to put in your own body.
"not about what to put in your own body "
As the article notes, the mandate includes the option to opt for regular swab tests, a minor ask for public health in a pandemic.
Outrage merchants tend to gloss over this because it doesn't play as well for grievance signaling / victim culture...
except that anyone who is reasonabl well informed knows the stupid swab tests are bgus anyway. The PCR test has been rigged from the git go, and the guy who ivented that test has publicaly stated it dies NOT work as a diagnostic tool, never wasintended to, and cannot. That from the guy who knows more about it than the next most informed twenty people on the planet all taken together. Further, the interval at which those tests are to be mandated is bogus as well.. weekly? WHen the incubatiin period is three to five days? A guy could theoiretically have the stupid virus, be infectioins for three days, get the test which might show a positive and the results come two days leter, meanwhile he's infected half the other workers on his floor...... tell me this is "wise strategy". The tests are merely one more way to make us all knuckle under to the bog Daddy Mommy who cares SO MUCH for EACH f us.. NOTTT. One more excuse to burden the general public. Look at the numbers coming out of Sirael, and Florida. No masks in FL, no ma\ndates, no closed businesses, everything back to bfore the chinavirus was released into the public sphere. Their rates (infectioins, ICU occupancy, deaths, "cases". etc are all the lowest in the US, have been for months, and continue to fall weekly.
Isreal, on the other hand, likely the most injected population on the planet, have the highest infection rate, death rate, ICU rate, new cases rate, of almost eveyrwhere else. WHY? Simple. The pokes do NOT work, AND they bring al manner of "unpleasant' side effects that are unacceptiable.
OSHA have NO authority to meddle with the hgeneral health of the general population. When workers areAT the job site they ARE exposed to various hazards.. hoses on the flor, chenical exposure, dust/rgrit in the air, poisons used for varioous processes, eye hazards due to griding , painting , sandblasting, sawying sanding, etc. OSHA were established to bring improvement in the way these sorts of WORKPLACE hazards are handled AT the workplace. Even if that workplace is someon'es home where the workers are working.
But once a worker leaves the jobsite/factory, he leaves ALL those things behind. He does NOT take them home. OSHA have no authhority over what en employee does or is exposed to once he leavees the workplace. Even mndating masks offsite is outside OSHA's bailiwick.
Most workplaces, with a stable conssitent atttendance week to week, pose a far lower risk of infectioin transmission on the job. Their risks are far higher "out there". But oSHA have not an arm long enough to reach to everwhere the employee might go once he leaves his work environment.
further, there is NO CONSIDERATION for we who have natural immunity based on ur having had the stupid bug and fully recovered from it. That immunity is 99% effective, lifelong, and agaisnt ALL strans of COVID. Not so for any of the shots. WHY force ME to take the very dangrous poke in the arm? To help the coffers of the manufacturers and administors go kaCHINGGGG one more time Sorry not interested. And I"ve not even gotten near the risk factor, particularly for we who have had it and recovered.. our risks are abouit five times higher thn a never infected person getting the same poke.
"The PCR test has been rigged from the git go, and the guy who ivented that test has publicaly stated it dies NOT work as a diagnostic tool, never wasintended to, and cannot"
False viral claim, frequently debunked.
"A guy could theoiretically have the stupid virus, be infectioins for three days, get the test which might show a positive and the results come two days leter, meanwhile he's infected half the other workers on his floor."
Yes, better to get vaccinated. But there is a lot of online hysteria about the vaccine based on false viral claims, so a weekly test is a reasonable compromise.
"Simple. The pokes do NOT work"
At this point long lists of research confirm that they do. Your repetition of viral claims and bad statistics don't change that.
"AND they bring al manner of "unpleasant' side effects that are unacceptiable"
the aforementioned false viral urban legends and hysteria.
"WHY force ME to take the very dangrous poke in the arm?"
It isn't dangerous. And as you appear to know, you aren't forced to take the shot because you can take a PCR test. I know you have problems with all of it, but those problems aren't grounded in factual isssues.
etc.
U live in looneyville. Kary Mullis MOST DEFINITELY says that his PCR test can no way in hell test for a virus. He was YELLING this back in the days of AIDS when that piece of shit Faucci USED his test to bullshit everyone into thinking HIV caused aids. Bringing on the deadly AZT pill. 23+ million have died of AIDS over the years. U r just another parrot of MSM. The Gain of Function shot does NOTHING to stop u from getting sick.., spreading it or dying from it. Oh that's right.... It makes u feel it "less". Which is about as open ended as it can get. Maybe u can put that on your headstone. "It could've been worse".
The Phucko Knows
You do no better by merely stating the opposite without sources. Either side can find them to support their chosen narrative. Don't be lazy, share your data if you have it.
They are Heffalumps. Effective messaging is beyond their capacity.
"A year ago referring to anyone who opposed the mandates as anti-vaxxers may've played to the base, the whole base."
A year ago, Trump was President and it was the Democrats who opposed "his" vaccine.
How quickly they want everyone to forget. Heels up and Brandon were the first to politicize the vax.
Then again, having 95% of the media carrying your water makes it really easy to hoodwink about 65% of the country with a simple message change over the weekend.
That's why they hijacked the word 'vaccine' for this jab -- so they could call people who don't want it (or just don't want mandates) "anti-vaxxers".
It is an anti-vax talking point to claim these aren't vaccines.
This is the actual problem here – many want it to be a principled argument about federal authority etc. and claim that the 'anti-vax' label is slander. But in practice throughout the pandemic it has mostly been impossible to find anyone arguing against policy who, if you scratch the surface, doesn't immediately back it up with kook stuff (factually/scientifically indefensible claims about VAERS, hospitals faking covid deaths, etc etc.)
The reason the 'anti-vax' label sticks is that under the hood the bulk of the discussion and energy is fueled by classical anti-vax claims and beliefs.
thoughtthis was you again withbyour lies.
MOST folks I knoiw who stand strongly opposed to THIS injection understnd HOW it is supposed to work inside the uhman body, what it ACTUALLY does/can do, and the biological mechanisms involved. Don't pait us all wit h a broad brush of iggerunts and herd-speak. There are a number of very knowledgeable experts in various branches of medicine who have come out publically with hard scientific facts, explanations of mechainsims that do harm, lack of evidence and mechainsms that should work to prevent invfectioin and/or spreding but do not.... I know dozens who are well informed and articulate on WHY they will not take it. That amoutns to somewhere near a third of the population. THIS third will NOT change our minds until/unless a rdically different injection is developed that WORKS to keep me from getting the WooFlew, to keep me from SRPEDING it if I do get it, and minimise my cances of dying if I do get it But all this is useless for we who have had it and kicked it, and are now 99% effective immune for the rest of our lvies against all strains of this virue.
Ya wanna try again? That one flopped.
FUrhte,r if its just a matter of a careful explanation,WHYEVER do media, CDC, online chats, boards, facebook/twit, etc, all work so hard to prevent any "adverse' informatnion being shared on the platform? Used to be multiple sides of any conversation would freely be presented.. somethimes bieng shot down. sometimgs drwing out more valuable information, sometimes standing as proven fact. WHY do thes "sources" firght so hard to prevent any adverse suggestions surviving mroe than a minute or three on tose sites? Ya censor something it makes one wonder why. who gets the financial gain from the censoring. ANd that's a good part of it.
"Ya wanna try again? That one flopped"
Just repeating viral hearsay doesn't make an argument.
"until/unless a rdically different injection is developed that WORKS"
e.g. www DOT cdc DOT gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm
"to keep me from SRPEDING it if I do get it"
e.g. www DOT medrxiv DOT org/content/10.1101/2021.07.13.21260393v1
and www DOT nature DOT com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z
"and are now 99% effective immune for the rest of our lvies against all strains of this virue"
"WHYEVER do media..."
Because public hysteria, misinformation etc. cause masses of the public to engage in irrational behavior at immense consequence to public health, economies etc.
"Ya censor something it makes one wonder why"
It's a real head scratcher, for sure.
People in the same household have a 67% chance of catching Delta from an infected, unvaccinated housemate. For freshly jabbed housemates that number is 57%. In as little as three months after "vaccination" that number climbs to 67% (i.e. indistinguishable from an unvaccinated person).
www dot nature dot com/articles/d41586-021-02689-y
Maybe facebook hasn't gotten around to "fact checking" Nature yet.
I like the scare quotes, solid science contrarian FUD technique.
The "vaccines" reduce the likelihood of "infection" in the first place, then again reduce "transmission", while protecting against "organ damage", neurological "impact" and "death". The net effect is day and night in terms of overall epidemiology.
Yes, delta reduced effectiveness and you have successfully selected a paper showing less encouraging results for AstraZeneca (which isn't used in the United States, but hey.)
I'm sure your research is thorough, and also saw findings like:
"A point-prevalence survey of almost 100 000 people conducted in England in June-July 2021 during the height of that country’s spring Delta variant surge found that fully vaccinated people (n = 55 962) were two-thirds less likely to harbor SARS-CoV-2 compared with unvaccinated people (n = 15 135), with absolute rates of 0.40% vs 1.21%, respectively"
"viral loads in those who are vaccinated decline more rapidly, and the virus that they shed is less likely to be culture-positive than virus shed by unvaccinated individuals"
"in an English study of 151 821 contacts of 99 567 index patients, the rate of transmission from people fully vaccinated with BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech) was 23% vs 49% for transmission from unvaccinated people (adjusted odds ratio [aOR], 0.35 [95% CI, 0.26-0.48] for transmission of Delta to unvaccinated contacts; aOR, 0.10 [95% CI, 0.08-0.13] for transmission of Delta to fully vaccinated contacts)"
jamanetwork DOT com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2786040
Quick pro tip from a veteran of the science wars – be careful endorsing Nature as a publication. That's going to come back to bite you on any number of topics.
Actually it was the first article I found and what they are addressing is not what a "point-prevalence" survey is addressing. I'm guessing you know that? Tsk tsk.
BTW, if you click through the sources in your latest cite you'll see this with regards to effectiveness:
"Unvaccinated people were three times more likely than double-vaccinated people to test positive. However, after adjusting for age and other variables, vaccine effectiveness for double-vaccinated people was estimated at between ~50% and ~60% during this period in England."
I recommend you check out the Science article (cite #5) that formed the basis of your quote. You might be surprised at the jama article's interesting spin of the data compared to what the Science article actually says. That's my pro-tip to you - check the sources of your sources.
Oh and lol at Nature being a rag now.
"Quick pro tip from a veteran of the science wars – be careful endorsing Nature as a publication."
You truly are a professional. Hypocrite, that is. Or perhaps just cognitively dissonant. You just cited Nature in your reply above:
"and www DOT nature DOT com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z"
What an...amateur!
You didn’t scratch well enough.
The FDA requires a vaccine to be greater than 50% effective in preventing infection and/or transmission to be labeled as such. The USPTO has a lower requirement of demonstrating a response that is protective against infection or spread - essentially the same without the greater than 50/50 condition.
In practice the vaccines are not meeting that level. There is no correlation between vax rates and infection or community spread rates. None in either direction. There is a slight, but not statistically significant, positive correlation between higher rates and higher infection. Again, not statistically significant.
Now before anyone says correlation is not causation, of course it isn’t. But there is no causation without correlation. If we have no correlation we can not say we have causation.
With a vaccine with a reported/claimed 95% effectiveness and more than half the total population vaccinated, and up to 99% in some counties, a correlation mathematically must exist.
We can see with other historical vaccine programs that a 20% effective protecting vaccine (polio has two classes so it’s a bit different) administered to less than half of the target population shows a strong correlation. There is no reason to except less than that from more.
"In practice the vaccines are not meeting that level"
Per above, scratch the surface you get this sort of anti-vax junk.
e.g.
“The first U.S. multisite test-negative design vaccine effectiveness study among HCP found a single dose of Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna COVID-19 vaccines to be 82% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 and 2 doses to be 94% effective”
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7020e2.htm
"There is no correlation between vax rates and infection or community spread rates"
Unfortunately I am deeply familiar with the tropes and entry-level statistical fallacies of contrarian "science". See above.
e.g. https://www.eurosurveillance.org/content/10.2807/1560-7917.ES.2021.26.31.2100640
Erm you realize your CDC cite is from before Delta *and* involves health care professionals, right? You know, the ones with vastly superior PPE and usage habits compared to the unwashed?
Does your deep knowledge of entry-level statistical fallacies cover a concept know as "apples and oranges"?
It does. It covers a bunch of fruit topics, including cherry picking.
Per above you are free to peruse "results" for non-health care workers and "Delta" if you like as well.
www DOT medrxiv DOT org/content/10.1101/2021.09.28.21264260v2
Are you reading the cites you give? Again, they don't say what I think you think they do:
"While vaccination still lowers the risk of infection, similar viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals infected with Delta question how much vaccination prevents transmission."
and
"Transmission reductions declined over time post-second vaccination, for Delta reaching similar levels to unvaccinated individuals by 12 weeks for ChAdOx1 and attenuating substantially for BNT162b2. Protection in contacts also declined in the 3 months post-second vaccination."
This matches exactly what I cited a few comments up. At some point you need to admit these vaccines are not 80+% effective anywhere, at any time. And after about 3 months you are essentially unvaccinated as far as the likelihood of transmission goes.
Maybe you're for monthly boosters? The data strongly suggests that's about the only way to maintain a 10%(!) reduction in transmission compared to unvaccinated.
Yes, the totalitarians' master plan was to shift perception and get everyone to hate those mean anti-vaxxers who aren't taking the protection that doesn't protect the vaccinated from the unclean. Gotcha!
Another example...
of course the vaccines protect the vaccinated. The idea that they are a contradiction or "not vaccines" if they aren't 100% effective (including against all new variants) is common B&W fallacy.
then WHY have the injection manufacturere/developoers, all thre eof them, together with the CDC all come out and publically stted in plain language that these injectioins cannot prevent anyone getting the disease, cannot preventing anyone having it from transmitting it, and only "reduce the severity of symptoms" when one deos get it?
You are revealing that yo are either 1) a paid shill to come on and say these provble ies, or 2) increbily ignorant or 3) have some other vested interest in stiffing the pot on a site like this that feely allows open discussion of any issue, from ALL sides.
"WHY have the injection manufacturere/developoers, all thre eof them, together with the CDC all come out and publically"
This is a trope of viral contrarian commentary. You similarly see lots of headlines in outrage media about "even the CDC admits"... "the IPCC itself admits..." "NASA admits..." only when you dig into the article you see it is usually an article about someone claiming the CDC/NASA/etc said something.
Why don't you provide a link to the CDC where they clearly state that vaccines do not reduce risk of infection and do not reduce spread, as a quick test of whether you are critically questioning what you read.
If you really wish to "critically question" (there are those scare-quotes you like!) what you read, try following the money instead of "following The Science" (look, more scare-quotes!). Human beings respond to incentives. The powers-that-be protect and reward one another.
https://youtu.be/CWILhrSzw5o
"try following the money "
Very good! That's the stuff I was trying to convey to polsksm above with the comment about citing Nature. I'm not sure your "follow the money" plus Joker clip qualifies as "well-articulated conspiracy theories about how the entire scientific enterprise is unreliable and corrupted by socialists or capitalists" but you are clearly headed in the right direction.
Are we supposed to believe that it is a coincidence that a "virus" causing a "pandemic" would create profit opportunities for the biomedical sector? I don't think so. The usual corruption of the capitalist class – using their power to create demand for their own products.
Plandemic indeed!
the court also told the biden regime that the eviction moratorium was illegal and to terminate the moratorium, they they cared not. the regime continued despite the court's orders. i have little doubt that the senile old man will also disregard the court in this case. he and his regime does not give one shit about the law.
He might. One thing we can take heart in is that the CDC doesn't have the manpower to actually enforce the order.
Oops. I meant OSHA doesn't have the manpower.
Die.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=egl21vUsnEY
Go Brandon!
how to tell theyve had enough?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Xtl5z0KVDs
Almost spilled my coffee.
Almost isnt good enough!
An instant classic.
https://twitter.com/emeriticus/status/1460084630858735620?t=dhQfkxBJPFF0co0u9CDW7g&s=19
The Jake Gardner trial preceded the Rittenhouse trial and provided a model for how media and activist pressure can force an outcome. In Gardner's case, a judge initially refused to file charges against Gardner for killing a BLM agitator in self-defense 1/
The Tragedy of Jake GardnerWith the Kyle Rittenhouse trial approaching, it's worth revisiting another all but forgotten incident in which the media and courts lynched a man who defended himself during last year's BLM riots
But that judge would not only capitulate to pressure from the public, but he appointed an overtly anti-white special prosecutor to lead a grand jury investigation that, without any new evidence, charged Gardner with four felonies 2/
Gardner's parents had to move because all the threats they received. Gardner alone received over 1,600 death threats 3/
Gardner had attempted to de-escalate the situation, fired two warning shots, tried to retreat, before finally shooting and killing one person in self-defense who was in the process of attacking him. It was all on video. But the mob wanted a white man lynched 4/
The worst case scenario of a racially motivated lynching in the Rittenhouse trial already happened in the Gardner trial, but it has been memory holed. Nobody in power cares about what happened to Gardner 6/
The man Gardner shot for attacking him was James Scurlock, an absolute scumbag with a long track record of violent crime. But the media went all in on "white man bad." I mean it when I say these journalists should be ruined, living among the homeless or in prison 7/
Kyle Rittenhouse is lucky that everyone who attacked him was white, because that might help him avoid being destroyed like Gardner. But still, what now? What about justice for Gardner? 8/
Even if Rittenhouse goes free, unlike Gardner, the media has already framed that as an injustice. Anything short of ruining Rittenhouse, like Gardner, would be an injustice, one that needs to somehow be rectified. So America basically is home to two legal systems now 9/
This is true. Although Gardner took literally every effort—even after BLM agitators punched his father and knocked him to the ground—to avoid violence, Gardner's veteran status helped indict him as a killer-in-waiting. Thanks for your service 10/
The most important thing is that even if Rittenhouse survives round one, that isn't really a victory. It's a respite, which is good, but the system that killed Jake Gardner isn't going to go away as a result 11/
Well said. The Left, including the media and Democratic politicians, drove Gardner to suicide. They slandered him an wrongfully charged him. They effectively murdered him. They are trying to do the same thing to Rittenhouse. Neither should have been charged. Where's the accountability for these murderers?
"Kyle Rittenhouse is lucky that everyone who attacked him was white"
But what happens when the mob "identifies" the "victims" as black?
(Note the redundancy, since victims on the left are automatically black.)
A 1905 Supreme Court ruling grants states the authority to issue vaccine mandates. The decision was upheld nearly 2“According to settled principles, the police power of a State must be held to embrace, at least, such reasonable regulations established directly by legislative enactment as will protect the public health and the public safety,” Harlan wrote.
Individual right must sometimes give way to 'common good', Harlan wrote years later in a case barring unvaccinated children from school.
What does this have to do with this case?
What about a vaccine that protects neither public health nor public safety?
U only tell part of the story. The Judge also ruled that ANYONE could opt out and pay a 5.00 fee.The definition of WHAT a vaccine IS has been changed by the industry several times over the last 100-yrs. This current shot is not even close to a Vaccination. A true vaccine has within it..., the ACTUAL virus. As Covid-19 has never EVER been isolated under a microscope. How does the shot have something in it that hasn't been proven to exist?
The Phucko Knows
"A 1905 Supreme Court ruling grants states the authority to issue vaccine mandates...".
Key word there: states. Not the federal government.
The Voice of Confusion must have been speaking.
Over! It's not over 'til Cheese Justice Roberts says "Hold ma beer and watch this"
It's somehow a tax, I'm sure.
Penalvaxx
The court flatly states that the ETS "grossly exceeds OSHA's statutory authority," adding that the mandate "raises serious constitutional concerns."
And Joe Biden? He says "Do it my way anyway! Fuck the courts."
Vote for fascists, get fascism.
Welcome to the revolution.
The adults are back in the room.
Authoritarianism under normal parameters.
*Totalitarianism
*Grievance signaling
Don't be a contrarian, Wax! You were quite displeased with others who did the same above.
Oh wait, you're a hypocrite. I forgot for a moment.
"You truly are a professional. Hypocrite, that is. Or perhaps just cognitively dissonant. You just cited Nature in your reply above:
...What an...amateur!"
Apologies for the confusing sarcasm.
To clarify. It can seem helpful for contrarians to cite papers from Nature when they find one that they think complicates the "scientist media narrative" or such.
It's tempting, but is actually a bit of a trap as it paints you into a corner. Later in the fight to reject some problematic aspect of reality you will find some hostile rationalist (like myself, as you note!) throwing citations from a journal like Nature at you – and now you have implicitly agreed that such findings are valid to consider.
The contrarian gig serves a critical role in ideological tribal warfare, unpaid work carrying water for key industry allies etc., but is tricky. You want to be able to walk a tightrope – out of context quotes from real published papers now and then can create useful FUD, but at the end of the day you want to be able to fall back on well-articulated conspiracy theories about how the entire scientific enterprise is unreliable and corrupted by socialists or capitalists.
That was the pro tip I was trying to pass on.
"And Joe Biden?"
Hey all of ye Reasonoid readers! Do NOT bother to read this article about Joe Biden! (And-or his policies). Do NOT bother to read (or read about) ANY links, facts, or logic contained here! Do NOT bother to trouble your pretty little heads about silly factual details gathered by useless Reason-writer eggheads!
Because I, the SMARTEST ONE, can “summarize” it ALL for you! Here it is, above article summarized: “Senile Mackerel Snapper Bad”!
(/Sarc, revenge for moronic “summaries” about “Orange Man Bad”)
Where did you get the Mackerel Snapper portion?
"Mackerel Snapper" = nasty term for Catholics... Not really anti-Catholic here actually... Just trying to be snarky...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mackerel_snapper#:~:text=Mackerel%20snapper%20was%20once%20a,for%20which%20fish%20was%20substituted.
Never heard of that term. You learn something new everyday.
Some of the very same people who are outraged at Biden's CDC eviction moratorium are unaware that the original CDC eviction moratorium was done at Trump's executive order.
Only one of them extended it after the USSC had ruled on it. And yes it was wrong under trump.
Who is unaware, mike? Enlighten us…..
None of the people outraged over it were unaware you lying sack of shit.
And all of us have said it was the wrong call then too.
Stopped reading.
"Some of the very same people who are outraged at Biden's CDC eviction moratorium are unaware that the original CDC eviction moratorium was done at Trump's executive order."
Discovery Channel narration, "Watch as the leftard *PROJECTS* his own [WE] mob-gang affiliation Gov-Gun-God worshiping mentality onto everyone in his surroundings while unable to accept that the '[WE] mob gang' mentality is a specific trait of only leftards (i.e. Democracy) who want their [WE] gang affiliation to maintain absolute POWER in their gang-battled polluted view of Gov-Gun-Power."
"Then watch how easily those from the *NOT [WE] gang* affiliated individuals admit they don't worship their gang affiliated Gov-Gods but actually have principles concerning governing"
"Come visit us next week and watch the leftard PROJECT their own [WE] gang affiliated Gov-God worshiping 100% as they accuse any NON-[WE] affiliated of Trump worshiping."
Where their perception is directly defined by the eye of the beholder.
possibly Mikey, but I don't recall those here defending the Eviction moratorium..
How about pointing out the "some" here instead of using the new version of journalism and just making statements without facts...
Fuck me, you're still alive? I'd hoped the ChiCom flu got to you a year ago...
" Help, help, Im being repressed!"
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtYU87QNjPw
Lol. Hard not to think of that in this forum.
Wait... f*** me, you mean *other* people, not those melodramatically littering sentences with "tyranny" and "totalitarianism" over such things as swab tests, don't you? ????
First it's swab tests. Then come the anal pears.
I fear it might not be, but I'm going to take this as an enjoyable satirical skewer at the deluge of earnestly-intended slippery slope fallacies that are the norm in these sorts of discussions.
"If you let doctors test you for diseases, why *wouldn't* they demand inserting anal pears next?"
I'm so old I can remember when Trump was a dire threat to the Republic merely because there were concerns that he might ignore the courts and do whatever his fascist totalitarian ass pleased. Glad to see there's no such concern about Biden ignoring the advice of the courts. Well, except for that one time he did in fact ignore the advice of the courts in extending the rent moratorium. But I'm sure he won't do it a second time with the voluntary vaccine mandate.
voluntary vaccine mandate.
Epic newspeak.
A double plus ungood sign for our Republic…..
Technically it is voluntary since they're not going to force you to volunteer to keep your job if you don't want to accept their dominion over your body.
For now
Or, you know, take a swab test.
But you can't stop the grievance signal, mal.
Will you stop whining about grievances already? We get it, you have a grievance with grievances.
I really do.
No different from the "voluntary" tax regime. If you don't want to go to jail for one you comply and for the other if you don't want to be forced out of every aspect of society you comply. Totally voluntary, no coercion involved.
^THIS - this is the reason rational people hate corporate media.. We expect politicians to lie to us..
unfortunately the gaslighting has permanently altered the modern liberal (aka illiberal)
Brandon: How many divisions does the 5th circuit have?
Up next: why we need court packing.
Dread butt Pirate Roberts agrees.
I am the law!
If Stalin ordered a division to fight, they stood their ground and fought to the death.
If Brandon ordered a division to fight, it would immediately start looking for the exits.
Totalitarian strongmen have a lot of standards to uphold, it’s not a job for weak, senile, slow-witted jackasses.
Fatally flawed? Is this another COVID-related fatality? Or is the mandate merely in lockdown? (If so, two weeks—tops!)
Dudes, don't get too excited. This ruling was by a 3 judge panel of the most conservative Federal District Court in the country, and 2 of the judges were Trump appointees and one was a Reagan appointee.
This is not the end of this by any definition.
Cry more.
Never mind the valid arguments, we'll find a way to inpose
Impose* our will on everyone.
I feel your pain, loser.
Yes, this is the end.
First, this is a Federal Court of Appeals not a District Court.
There are three paths to change this trajectory. Two are appeals: (1) to the U.S. Supreme Court or (2) review en banc by the Fifth Circuit, which as you indicated is one of the most conservative, so that's not likely to be a reversal. And what are the five votes on the U.S. Supreme Court to reverse a stay of an unprecedented imposition of a vaccine mandate on the entire country by an agency.
The much more likely course is (3) no (realistic) appeal, leave the stay and wait for the ruling on the merits from the Fifth Circuit, which will be subject to the same "most conservative" odds as this panel selection was. With their colleagues having already said the things that this panel said, like "fatally flawed" - and that's assuming it's not the same three judges who hear the merits appeal.
See, your claims don't have a realistic chance of success when the Court of Appeals doesn't want it and there's no plausible relief from the (very limited-capacity) U.S. Supreme Court. After all, the Ninth Circuit has been doing it to legitimate claims for decades. But here your claim isn't legitimate, it's just shrilly proclaiming the unfettered authority of your Emperor (and/or the eunuchs pulling the levers).
I appreciated that, but asshole Joe doesn't deserve it.
Joe Fuckboy is yet another troll commenter not worth the effort of a response.
As if you could write one perl.
Tell me where I'm wrong - you think that ruling was the end of the issue?
You were already told where you're wrong. Read rreally's reply. Of course, you would have replied to that, instead, if you had something of substance for a retort.
I stand corrected, you did reply...with an apples-to-oranges comparison of state authority vs federal authority. Profound attention to nuance there!
Thanks for your prediction rreally and everyone here seems to enjoy it - the band started playing again - but:
"Supreme Court Justice Amy Coney Barrett on Thursday opted not to block an Indiana University vaccine mandate, giving no explanation as to why in declining to unravel the school’s rule that students, faculty and staff must get the Covid-19 shot...."
so no, no one knows where this will go including you and I.
But hey, party on!
There is a difference betwen a state mandate and a mandate by a federal regulatory agency.
Yeah, I'll take the country, you can have IU.
Which has nothing to do with a nationwide mandate by a government agency claiming newfound emergency powers.
Actually, all of the proceedings against mandates in various Federal courts are being consolidated and will be heard by ONE court. This is based on a picking a jurisdiction out a court from a pool of all the jurisdictions involved in mandate cases.
Stuff it up your ass so your head has some company, asshole
Heh, you fuckheads REALLY hate the taste of your own medicine.
liar, the COURT ORDER said it was the end.
NO MORE mandate. Guess in your political stupor you didnt read the Courts decision?
Throw away the plastic bag and spray paint can, retard.
What else do you want to see imposed, you know, for the common good and all?
And the take-away from that is........
This ruling was by a 3 judge panel of the most conservative Federal District Court in the country, and 2 of the judges were Trump appointees and one was a Reagan appointee.
That the Conservative courts appointed by Republicans ACTUALLY CARE what the US Constitution (definition of the USA - The People's Law) has to say!!!!!
Heaven forbid.... /s
I haven’t been paying too much attention. Is there any serious legal challenge to the mandate for federal contractors or employees?
This ruling raises the constitutional concerns, not just statutory. Need someone to raise the contractor EO issue and enjoin.
So you’re telling me there’s a chance
Not that I am aware of. The Oklahoma National Guard refusal to obey the military mandate is likely to go to court and the outcome could affect federal Contractors.
But this is just the OSHA rule
I remember the original discussion was that it was a long shot to challenge the contractor/employee portions in court. I just haven’t heard much about it since, and I wasn’t sure if something had changed. It sounds like there may be some chance (albeit slim) of a positive outcome on this.
this circumvents a shitload of lawsuits...
I’m curious about that too. Lotta private companies contract with fedgov.
Many with less than 100 employees.
No, for Federal contractors and employees the vaccination orders seem to be on much less shaky ground.
No. It is just as fucking shaky. Keep your fingers crossed though white Mike.
It is shaky indeed. I parried the federal contractor mandate through a religious exemption. Thank God for the US constitution.
I'm sorry that this is happening to you, White Mike. Don't stop believing.
that ahole got Muted.
5th Circuit, way to stick it to the Biden faucis.
Parry that jab.
I blame insurrectionist soccer moms.
I think we're blaning dumb, white trash bitches who didn't go to college now.
And those with a PhD.
When choosing a scapegoat I always prefer the Golden Mean. So if the two extremes are white chicks who never completed college and those with PhDs, then I blame The Graduate. MRS ROBINSON, JE T’ACCUSE!!!
Mrs. Robinson, are you trying to vaccinate me?
I just hope private sector employers don’t end up filing for Bancroftcy!
Laugh about it, shout about it
When you’ve got to choose,
Every vax mandate means we lose.
What’s that you say, Mrs Robinson?
Drooling Joe has GOT to go away!
Hey hey hey
Hey hey hey
I got one word for you,
plastics“pharmaceuticals”.That’s a good name for a band.
Hey, some good news on a Sunday evening!
Now if we could just get Newsom de-throned and return the CA economy to something approaching market-driven.
I would love to see it in my lifetime…
"'A unanimous three-judge panel concludes that the decree "grossly exceeds OSHA's statutory authority."'
Ya think?
A Fifth Grader could have found that conclusion.
Mon Corps, Mon Choix, bitches!
Tomorrow, Biden on TV Gaslighting and Pearl Clutching and attacking the Court.
STEELE YOURSELVES: New FBI arrests announced
https://www.newsbreakapp.com/n/0cw9jNYb?pd=05vSRvT0&lang=en_US&s=i16
I don't get it.
"Arrests Made In FBI Trump-Russia Investigation
By Sharon
Canyon News
UNITED STATES—The Department of Justice (DOJ) announced that they have taken action against two foreign nationals charged with deploying Sodinokibi/REvil ransomware attacks on businesses and government agencies across the United States.
The article doesn't explain what the ransomware attacks have to do with Trump/Russia.
They are Scapegoating hacker contractors they used to attack Trump.
Half surprised "We're charging the people we used to falsely impeach a sitting President." made it to the news at all. Not surprised it's barely considered news. Maybe I'll get to read more in-depth coverage from Reason, in my cell, some time in the 3rd term of the Harris Administration.
I was hoping someone would notice the creature headline. That actually forced me to re-read the damn thing 3 times. …Now visualize all the minds that will take in the headline…the two arrests….and the THIS INVESTIGATION IS FAR FROM OVER battle cry. Steele file mentioned only in that context (if you can call THAT a proper context)
Creative headline, not creature
Clicking through to the story:
Nobody needs even one Christopher Steele.
A true FUCK BIDEN MOMENT!!!
Anyone NOT getting the message that hes a PSYCHOPATH?
If not, seek peofessional help.
The drug companies will be unhappy.
They just lost a TON of profit..
$50 (?) each x 80 MILLION.
Wont be able to SELL THEIR 2019 VACCINE
IN 2021!!!
2019 vaccines are past their use date.
Hooray for checks and balances! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray! Hip hip hooray!
Bowf sidez you slimy alcoholic shill.
Here is sarcs response when siding with jeff and Mike in other threads AGAINST those saying mandates were bad.
sarcasmic
August.30.2021 at 11:46 am
Flag Comment Mute User
Either the vaccine is 100% safe and effective, or there is no point in taking it at all. If you say it's a good idea then you're saying it's 100% safe and effective, and you're wrong. Just to prove it people who've been vaccinated have died of the disease. That means it's a joke. It doesn't work at all for anyone. It's all a big lie being pushed by Democrats who want to take away our freedoms. Don't you know anything?
It’s reassuring, in a country that seems to be going downhill every day, when a President is still told “no” once on a while.
Well hey, I can agree with you after all!
Oh sure, everyone is happy. What are you going to say later when everyone is dead?
/White Mike.
BRAAAAIIINNNS!
https://twitter.com/ChrissyvTyranny/status/1459165067786739717?t=CLJ_UV0nWMKomjzat78TFQ&s=19
Canadian war memorial defaced with "the real heroes are the vaccinated" on armistice Day! [Link]
I wonder if this is a sarcastic troll.
nice to see you back.
I must say I'm Impressed with your blog!
Thanks for such post and please keep it up..
Disband OSHA and charge the White House with contempt.
Don’t you have to give the White House a chance to act with contempt first? Joe Biden hasn’t even had his Monday morning Ovaltine yet.
IDK, poop in the pants is pretty contemptuous.
All Liberals need to know about this, from the Washington Post.
"A three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit, helmed by one judge who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan and two others who were appointed by President Donald Trump..."
Hey look Joe Friday and his wise contractor wisdom!
Amazing how many here think a ruling by a 3 judge panel ends the issue. Wishful thinking is not really thinking at all.
PS and that includes the author of the article.
it does. too bad youre in denial.
Everyones wrong but you, Troll
mba-pim
cambridge university
5th Says NO! To The Fauci Ouchie.
Hey - at least we're not Turkmenistan
Mask mandates for over a year - for 'dust'. The first country to mandate vaccines for all adults. And to date - no admitted cases of covid.
Yep, there's absolutely no covid in Turkmenistan. Zero. Nada.
No different from the "voluntary" tax regime.
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I think that the real threat to this ruling is not from the 5th Circuit en banc, or the Supreme Court, but rather the intra circuit lottery and that the DC Circuit is supposed to have jurisdiction over federal agencies.I think that this panel moved first for a reason - so that neither the liberal 9th or DC Circuits got control over the case. I think that maybe they figured that if they moved fast enough, these other circuits would have a hard time unwinding what they did. Who is going to force them to transfer the case at this point? The other circuits are peers, not bosses, and right now, they probably have a winning argument with 5 of the Justices. Maybe 6, with their heavy citation to CJ Roberts’ previous federalism decisions. Time is now probably on their side, with the Delta variant bump having peaked and cases decreasing substantially on their own, without the OSHA mandate.
The entire OSHA Nazi-Regime is constitutionally fatally flawed.
I see no authority for Occupational Safety and Health Administration in the enumerated powers because it's just NOT there.
Next. ....
Does this stay apply nationwide or just to the area the fifth circuit covers?
it applies to OSHA . Did you not read?
The vaccine mandates are a tool being utilized for total control of the individual from both the inside out and the outside in. If we do not stop this with every fiber of our being, it will be the gateway to digital and biological enslavement.
The entire system is rotten to the core and woven together by blanket webs of interlocking incestuous corruption. It cannot be untangled or fixed – each corrupted entanglement is dependent on the next – it can only be demolished and rebuilt. For instance:
Although the CDC officially denies it, they receive millions in funding and gifts from the industry they are supposed to be regulating.
Their members own 50 vaccine related patents, meaning those members likely earn money on most - if not all - of the vaccines they approve.
You could hook the revolving door between the CDC and their subordinate industry up to a turbine and light up the Vegas strip.
These criminals should be in prison – strolling ‘C’ block swinging from some alpha male’s belt-loop – not sipping martinis in their mansions as they further enrich themselves by approving ever more poison to inject into our children.
https://tritorch.com/criminal
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