Red Markets
Sometimes communist countries had to tolerate a little economic liberty just to survive.

Reason's December special issue marks the 30th anniversary of the collapse of the Soviet Union. This story is part of our exploration of the global legacy of that evil empire, and our effort to be certain that the dire consequences of communism are not forgotten.
One day in 1952, nearly six and a half years after the communists seized power in Yugoslavia, a member of the Politburo spoke to the nation's legislature. The old "exploiting elements of society" had been safely isolated, he announced. Bureaucracy was now the greater threat. To combat it, the country would take a step that Marxists typically relegated to a distant future.
It was time, he said, to commence "the withering away of the state."
He was speaking on April 1, but this wasn't an April Fools' joke. And while the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia did not wither away just then—that happened 40 years later, for rather different reasons—the place really was embarking on a new social system. It had, in fact, been making some hesitant moves in this direction for a couple of years already.
Yugoslavia had broken with the Soviet Union in 1948, but its government initially showed no signs of abandoning Stalinist economics. Indeed, it soon started a brutal drive to collectivize agriculture. By 1951, the number of state farms had leaped from 1,318 to 7,012, and in the process the government had not just seized land but demanded absurdly high production quotas—and sent many of the farmers who couldn't meet them to internment camps. The push prompted violent resistance in the countryside, most notably the Cazin Rebellion of May 1950, in which hundreds of peasants took up arms against the state.
Yet some of the country's leaders were starting to rethink their economic approach, especially as they watched newly nationalized industries churn out products with little regard for cost or quality. In 1950, Minister of Propaganda Milovan Djilas pitched a plan to two comrades while the trio sat in a car parked outside Djilas' home: Instead of forcing factories to answer to planners in the ministries, why not turn over each plant to its workers? You could still call that socialist—Djilas invoked a passage in Marx about the free association of producers—but you could avoid the dysfunctions of a centralized Stalinist bureaucracy.
One of those comrades, Deputy Prime Minister Edvard Kardelj, had already been flirting with similar ideas. Before long the trio had convinced the country's dictator, Josip Broz Tito, to back a much milder version of the concept. By the end of 1950, the federal assembly had passed its first reform bill.
The initial moves were small: Elected workers' councils were given some say in how most industries were run, but real power stayed with the state planners, who stepped in if they felt the firms were raising prices or wages when they could be investing in improvements instead. The government didn't even abandon its push to collectivize agriculture until the end of 1951. (All that armed peasant resistance made the regime more receptive to loosening its grip.) But over the next few years, planning was eased, various prices were freed, peasants were allowed to leave the collective farms, and those farms themselves were told to become self-supporting.
From 1951 to 1955, the number of agricultural collectives plunged from 7,012 to 688. Meanwhile, the mines and factories were now "social property" rather than "state property," though the exact meaning of this remained under dispute. In the 1960s, economic controls were rolled back further: Firms got more autonomy, tax rates were flattened, more prices were freed, and trade barriers came down. The historian Dennison Rusinow's tongue was surely in his cheek when he called the results "laissez-faire socialism," but you can see what he was getting at.
The government also started to allow, within limits, more personal freedoms and civil liberties. That made the culture richer—witness, for example, the so-called Yugoslav Black Wave of anti-authoritarian movies made in the 1960s and early '70s—and it made the economy freer as well. As Djilas wrote, there had still "hovered over the workers councils the continuing presence of the all-powerful secret police, and this went on until the Central Committee plenary session on Brioni in the summer of 1966, when the secret-police chiefs were dismissed." That change meant more practical autonomy for firms. Though even then, "fear of the secret police has not disappeared, although its methods are milder and its powers considerably reduced."
* * * * *
Yugoslavia wasn't the only communist country to experiment with reform. Time and again, Leninist parties found they had to allow a degree of economic liberty just to survive. Lenin himself felt the need to replace the severe strictures of War Communism with the more permissive New Economic Policy in 1921.
Mao Zedong did something like that too—though it took a famine to induce it, and even then he might not have gone along with the changes if his power hadn't been at a low ebb. In the early 1960s, in the immediate aftermath of the disastrous Great Leap Forward, China adopted a series of policies that let peasants tend private plots, let smaller firms buy materials on the market, and let the market set some consumer prices. This was not because Mao was a Misesian deep inside. It was because millions of people had just starved to death and the country needed to stay afloat. "While the ideology remains orthodox," the sociologist Franz Schurmann wrote of China during this interval, "the country as a working system of organization seems at times suspiciously similar to Yugoslavia."
Needless to say, that doesn't mean these countries became lands of free minds and free markets. Even Yugoslavia could be highly bureaucratic and repressive in practice—hence Djilas' comments about the secret police. Djilas himself was expelled from the ruling Central Committee, and eventually imprisoned for several years, because of his steadily more radical criticisms of the party and state. These critiques culminated in The New Class (1957), a book-length assault on the communist system. In Marxist-Leninist countries, Djilas argued, the party bureaucracy had established itself as an exploitative ruling class. He explicitly included Yugoslavia in his indictment, despite those moves toward liberty in the marketplace and democracy on the shop floor.
With Djilas jailed, reform in Yugoslavia slowed to a crawl for several years. The balance of power then teetered back and forth between the reformers and the more authoritarian old guard, who derided the changes as "anarcho-liberalism."
Nonetheless, Yugoslavia was the freest communist country—and when necessity compelled other red regimes to allow more freedom, they sometimes looked to it for ideas. Czechoslovakia went through several periods of attempted economic liberalization, and sometimes political liberalization too; the most extensive of those, in the mid-1960s, ended with Soviet tanks entering Prague to bring the experiment to an end. Poland never did manage to collectivize its agricultural sector, and its private farms fed not just the Poles but some of their neighbors. (After a 1956 wave of strikes, marches, and occupations, nervous officials also granted firms a degree of self-management, though the Poles were even less willing than the Yugoslavs to give the ostensibly worker-run enterprises actual autonomy.) Bulgaria hopped onto the reform bandwagon at the last minute: In 1987, just two years before the Berlin Wall came down, it made room for small-scale private enterprise, started a gradual process of relaxing the central planners' powers, and made some gestures toward self-management.
Not every economic reform worked out well. In the 1980s, in the wake of mass protests led by the independent trade union Solidarity, the Polish government decided to "decentralize" the economy by loosening the central planners' control of each producer's resources and choices. But it didn't disentangle those producers from the government's broader web of subsidies and controls. "In effect," Jeffrey Sachs and David Lipton wrote in 1990, "the central plan was replaced not by markets but by an unending process of ad hoc negotiations between firms and the government." Bulgaria's bureaucrats recognized that the country's official prices bore little relation to supply and demand, but they were reluctant to actually let markets set prices. So they simply resolved to pay more heed to how much things cost in other countries while continuing to set prices by diktat.
Hungary, on the other hand, liberalized a great deal. The seeds of that process were planted after Josef Stalin's death in 1953: As part of a general thaw, the government allowed its economists more freedom to debate, to do empirical research, and to exchange ideas with their counterparts in other countries (including Yugoslavia). After two years of this relative openness, Prime Minister Imre Nagy was ousted from office. But with the revolt of 1956, as thousands of Hungarians marched in the streets, Nagy returned to power and adopted a much more radical program—among other things, he legalized opposition parties, withdrew Hungary from the Soviet military alliance, and allowed workers' councils to take control of the mines and factories. These councils were new institutions that had been formed at the grassroots, not organized from above; if they had continued to thrive, they would have had much more independence than their Yugoslav counterparts. Instead the Soviets invaded, Nagy was arrested and executed, and after a period of dual power the councils were repressed.
The authorities who suppressed the revolution were worried about the possibility of further revolts. One way to blunt popular dissatisfaction, they realized, was to allow more consumer pleasures. So over the course of the '60s, Hungary made more room for the profit motive, opened the doors to foreign investment, devolved decisions about production and pay to individual farms and factories, and let the peasants working the collective farms keep private plots on the side. And in the 1980s, it allowed many more small businesses to operate legally. A host of entrepreneurs—builders, brewers, taxi drivers, restaurateurs, dealers in secondhand cars—either launched new projects or moved out of the black market.
Couple those reforms with a relatively generous welfare state, and you had a system that came to be called goulash communism. It wasn't the full freedom that Hungarians had fought for in '56, but it did give them some of the highest living standards in Eastern Europe. As the joke went, Hungary was the happiest barrack in the camp.
When communist governments weren't feeling pressure from mass revolts, there was still the day-to-day disobedience that fueled those black markets. Illicit exchange helped keep people clothed and fed even when reform wasn't on the table. Indeed, sometimes it pushed reform onto the table. Years before Deng Xiaoping "permitted" the peasants on China's collective farms to tend their own private plots, many of them did it anyway; entrepreneurs in the cities ran quasi-covert businesses in the same manner. Eventually the authorities formally accepted what was already rampant, and the way was cleared for an economic revolution.
* * * * *
This sort of thing was mostly a product of pragmatism, but at certain times and places there was an ideological component as well. The Yugoslavs who proposed a market-syndicalist system certainly seem to have honestly believed that they were devising a better kind of socialism. Even among the apparatchiks who earned Djilas' scorn, there was enough enthusiasm for the Yugoslav way to send advisers to countries ranging from Algeria to Peru. Some of that may have simply reflected Tito's interest in expanding his country's influence abroad, but the advice they offered was presumably sincere.
More importantly, the country's official ideology gave dissidents something to point to when they pushed for more freedoms. Yugoslavia's leaders had "offered the people working in the economy the illusion of power," the European journalist Paul Lendvai wrote in 1969. The changes that this set in motion "transformed the illusion of power into a power of illusion," and that in turn "became a prime mover of developments, animating them from below."
But the most curious connection between socialist ideology and market reform didn't emerge in Yugoslavia. It appeared in China during the first phase of the Cultural Revolution—the period, beginning in 1966, when Mao decided to fight his rivals in the country's power structure by declaring them counterrevolutionaries and urging his subjects to rebel against them. Before long, a chaotic mishmash of groups were violently contending for power. Some of these competing forces were basically pawns for officials bringing their power struggles out of the back rooms; some were students sincerely committed to one socialist vision or another; some were ordinary people taking the opportunity to press their grievances.
One of these factions was the Shengwulian movement, the self-declared "ultra-left" of the Cultural Revolution. And the most famous piece of writing to emerge from Shengwulian was "Whither China?," a 1968 tract by a teenager named Yang Xiguang. Yang wasn't the movement's leader—Shengwulian was a loose conglomeration that drew on different sectors of society, and not everyone in it adhered to the exact same political line—but his manifesto found hundreds of thousands of readers. Unconsciously echoing Djilas, Yang argued that China's problem wasn't simply reactionary elements within the Communist Party: The party itself was a privileged class. It should be overthrown, he declared, and replaced with a democracy modeled on the Paris Commune.
Every contending faction in the Cultural Revolution claimed to be acting in the name of Chairman Mao, and Shengwulian was no exception; the essay included some tedious passages straining to show that its ideas were what Mao really wanted. Unsurprisingly, Mao disagreed. (Shanghai had notionally adopted a Paris Commune–style system in early 1967. It lasted less than a month before the chairman put the kibosh on it.) The country's rulers did play a role in making "Whither China?" so widely read, but only because they distributed it as "material to be criticized." Those criticisms weren't exactly measured—Hunan Daily declared Shengwulian "even more stinking than dog excrement." The movement was suppressed, and Yang spent the next decade in a series of prison camps.
But a funny thing happened to Yang's manifesto: People kept reading it. Even after Mao was dead and the Cultural Revolution was over, this one essay kept getting passed around. In the democracy movement of the 1970s and '80s—not a world overflowing with nostalgia for the Mao years—"Whither China?" was embraced. When the Chinese dissident Liu Guokai published A Brief Analysis of the Cultural Revolution in 1980, he was caustic about Mao and his allies but praised Yang's essay as a "penetrating work."
The final irony came when Yang emerged from prison. While he was incarcerated, the erstwhile Maoist had started studying economics; he now pursued this as a profession. With time he became an admirer of Milton Friedman and Adam Smith. Now writing under the name Yang Xiaokai, he earned praise from the libertarian-leaning American scholar James Buchanan, who declared that he was doing "the most important and exciting research in economics in the world."
In his popular writing and his academic work, Yang argued both for economic liberalization and for civil liberties and democracy. Indeed, he argued that the first was doomed without the others. One of his final papers, from 2001, argued that the Communist Party's political monopoly and the dominance of state-owned firms made economic development "a hostage of the vested interests of the privileged class."
To the extent that "Whither China?" had an economic agenda, it had simply argued for self-management. But re-reading it now, with Yang's future trajectory in mind, you may be able to spot the seeds of something else. Under the Shanghai Commune, the manifesto had claimed, "without the bureaucrats and bureaucratic organs, productivity was greatly liberated. After the Ministry of the Coal Industry fell, production of coal went on as usual. The Ministry of Railways fell, but transportation was carried on as usual. All the departments of the provincial Party committees fell, but the various branches of their work went on as usual." Somewhere inside those old revolutionary ideas, another revolution had been lurking.
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With the certain passage of another Big Government waste of money looming it is time to update the Big Spending Asshole scorecard.
New federal spending programs to date = $5.3 trillion + $1.2 trillion this week
Trump $3.4 trillion wasted
The Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act
As a follow-up, lawmakers enacted the CARES Act, a relief package of around $2 trillion, on March 27 to address the near-term economic impact the virus is having on families and businesses. Some of the key items in the legislation
Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act
On April 24, 2020 policymakers enacted the Paycheck Protection Program and Healthcare Enhancement Act. That bill, totaling $483 billion
The Consolidated Appropriations Act, enacted on December 27, 2020, included $868 billion of federal support to help mitigate the economic impact of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Biden $3.1 trillion Total wasted with today's update
The American Rescue Plan, which was enacted on March 11, 2021, provides an additional $1.9 trillion of federal relief in a variety of areas.
https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2021/03/heres-everything-congress-has-done-to-respond-to-the-coronavirus-so-far
Enough! No more! Both parties suck! for the time being Trump is King of the Big Spending Assholes
But...
Biden - On his way to "Worse than Trump" status!
Poor fifty-center. Everyone knows about the vetoproof spending bills and the ones Trump refused to sign. Everyone knows about the economic collapse caused by governments worldwide crashing their economies last year.
But Buttplug can't mention any of that because he has a narrative he's paid to advance, and if he did his argument would collapse.
So day after day, week after week, year after year, he has to try and trick us with a toddler's sophistry. And everyone says "fuck off Buttplug", and he tries to dance around the facts, or get mad and play internet tough guy, but nothing works.
And tomorrow he will post the same garbage again.
"And tomorrow he will post the same garbage again."
turd forgot he posted this lie yesterday.
I really hope he dies in agony.
Bullshit.
Everyone knows Donnie-Boy wanted his signature on those big spending bills and the checks that went out to buy voters.
"Vetoproof" my ass. The GOP controlled the Senate and one phone call to Mitch could have killed those bills before a cloture vote was taken.
You Republicans are not libertarian and never have been.
turd lies; it’s all he ever does. When it's pointed out that he's lying, turd returns to add even more lies
turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. If he included numbers they are either out-right lies or cherry picked such that (his TDS-addled bullshit above) if used by an honest person, they would prove the opposite of what turd is claiming
Turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Further, it should be remembered that turd was BANNED from this site for linking kiddie porn, which caused turd to stick the "2" on the end of his (oh-so-clever!) handle, since his original was no longer allowed.
It must be hard being a paid liar when there are millions of news articles contradicting you.
Trump refuses to budge over aid bill, imperiling jobless benefits for millions
He just ignores facts.
“Everyone knows” = alleged certainty fallacy.
Or "lie". turd's good at it.
Also known as Argumentum Ad Populum (Appeal To Popularity.)
Also a great Leonard Cohen Song:
https://youtu.be/Lin-a2lTelg
Good point. I had forgotten about Trump’s insisting that the checks have his signature.
I mean every President tries to create the impression all largesse comes directly out of their own pocket, but Trump was especially blatant about it.
Liars have audiences, usually with the same level of 'honesty', as is evident here.
I just had to unmute you on this one to see what untenable position you were taking. You are saying it’s a lie?
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-signature-to-be-on-stimulus-checks-delaying-mailing-process-report-2020-04-14
“Federal stimulus checks for millions of Americans will be delayed by several days because President Donald Trump wanted his signature to be on them, the Washington Post reported late Tuesday. It will reportedly be the first time any president's signature has appeared on checks to taxpayers. Since the president is not actually authorized to sign checks from the U.S. Treasury, Trump's signature will appear in the ‘memo’ space on the bottom left, across from the authorized signature of a nonpartisan Bureau of the Fiscal Service official.”
When the lying audience posts something which isn't a lie, that's accidental too.
Fuck off and die, asshole
That made no sense. Back to muting for you.
Oh no!
Oh, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Fuck off and die, asshole.
We're all talking about the 2.2 trillion September 2020 stimulus bill, you dishonest fraud.
I just had to unmute you on this one
Lol, you never actually did. Like sarcasmic, you think it's some sort of punishment to tell people you've muted them.
What’s the point if “muting” someone, and then later peeking to see what they said?
What’s the point of muting half the commentariat, then constantly talking about all the people you muted?
It’s important to keep in mind we’re dealing with people that are really just dumb.
They think it's a punishment. A lot of people muted White Mike and sarc when the buttons came out and they were offended. sarcasmic took it particularly badly as he's an attention whore.
They just can't fathom that people aren't interested in their crazy opinions, so they thought that they must be doing it to be mean. You know, like the teenage girl tactic of deliberately ignoring someone on the outs. They still have very immature mentalities which is why people who tell them to smarten up or fuck off become "mean girls".
There's a lot of psychosis to unpack with those two.
Lol. You don't mite anybody. You pretend to and then realize you have no argument. Like how you skipped over trump vetting a bill just a year ago dummy.
Of course you Marxist faggots ignore that every last bit of this was shoved down everyone’s throats by Schumer and Pelosi, with their minions voting in lockstep. Along with treasonous RINO garbage.
But hey, never let facts get in the way of the democrat narrative, right?
Turd lies; it’s all he ever does. Turd is a pathological liar, entirely too stupid to remember which lies he posted even minutes ago, and also too stupid to understand we all know he’s a liar.
If anything he posts isn’t a lie, it’s totally accidental. If he included numbers they are either out-right lies or cherry picked such that (his TDS-addled bullshit above) if used by an honest person, they would prove the opposite of what turd is claiming
Turd lies; it’s what he does. turd is a lying pile of lefty shit.
Hey Dipshit Dave Weigel, what do you have to say about the "Steele Dossier" guy being arrested and indicted?
There's more coming down the pike, too. I told you so, you pathetic fatass little Ron Jeremy lookin' sack of shit.
No one gives a fuck about the "Steel Dossier" you Sean Hannity hambone shit-for-brains.
Today's Buttplug:
It’s Not Real
It’s Russian Disinfo
It’s Real But Doesn’t Matter <-- YOU ARE HERE
It Matters But Not Very Much
This is Old News
Shut Up Racist
ROFLMAO, now that everyone can see that you completely beclowned yourself and I was right and you were wrong all along, all you have to say about it is "no one cares".
You poor, miserable, pathetic "sad clown".
He has a clown suit alright.
"No one gives a fuck about the "Steel Dossier" you Sean Hannity hambone shit-for-brains."
"No one" = turd, sarc, jeff, tony, asshole joe, and the remaining steaming piles of lefty shit now that it's been shown to be the fake it is.
turd lies, and when he's called on he , he comes back with more lies. It's all turd does.
Actually at least a hundred million people in this country aren’t too happy about this.
Good point on Trump and the Republicans signing off on trillions in unneeded lockdown bailouts.
But Biden and his handlers are doing a classic magic trick -- get everyone to focus on the shiny new 1.2 trillion "infrastructure" bill and the upcoming 6/3.5/1.75 trillion "reconciliation" bill and debate their merits or lack thereof, while the baseline budget adds in Trump's "one-time" spending on bailouts and grows from 4 trillion to 6 trillion with virtually no comment (or media notice).
It's the same trick Obama used to stack up Bush's "one-time" TARP bailout and make that 800 billion (which seems paltry now) part of the baseline budget.
Good point on Trump and the Republicans signing off on trillions in unneeded lockdown bailouts.
Wow, That is an accomplishment here. A little bit of honesty.
Now my turn. Biden has been dreadful. Democrats are on their way to getting stomped in the mid-terms.
Likely. And, true to form, they’ll learn nothing from it when it happens.
Old Uncle Droolbib is on the outs with Team Soros right now and they're gearing up to replace him. Shrike's OSF bosses are fine with a little criticism as long as they establishment stays sacred.
Note Shrike is still pretending that the budget originates with the president and not Pelosi and the House Democrats. That's who he's actually running cover for.
You actually said something astute.
You didn't say that. This comment of yours does not exist. You've never been critical of Democrats and you've never said a disparaging word about Biden.
IT IS KNOWN.
Which means you didn't write what you just wrote. It goes against the narrative. Stop lying! Everyone knows you love Biden! Everyone knows you vote Democrat! You hate Trump! Aaauughhh!!
Liars have audiences, usually with the same level of 'honesty', as is evident here.
Poor sarc. So broken.
Nobody thinks that you're a true believer or a fifty-center like Shrike and Mike.
We know you shill for the Democrats because you desperately want "attaboys" from Dee and crave attention, even if it's negative.
Here is why sarcasmic is such a partisan hack. He ignores the dozen other bullshit posts attacking the right and then aims this one post is all that matter. This is why sarc thinks one gop vote makes something bipartisan.
Bipartisan opposition.
Blaming Biden for spending that the Congress passes is about as stupid as blaming Trump.
But then you’re a fucking idiot.
Biden could actually veto this one though.
True. And these morons completely ignore the Republicans and Trump basically saying fuck you to Pelosi for the even crazier spending the Democrats wanted to pass after royally fucking the economy in the ass
He would only veto it if he thought he could kick it back and get MORE spending.
"Blaming Biden for spending that the Congress passes is about as stupid as blaming Trump."
You're full of shit.
Biden has made this spending part and parcel of his administration since he was inaugurated.
Trump fought against quite a bit of spending during his time in office
Origins --
Cares Act
Introduced by DEMOCRAT Joe Courtney
"Incorporated Legislation" --- 87% by DEMOCRATS
Final Senate Vote Nay's ZERO. Not a single objection.
Return to House Vote - "The vote was by voice vote so no record of individual votes was made. "
"REPUBLICAN Thomas Massie's threat that he would demand a roll call vote.", townhall
BUT WAS over-ridden by DEMOCRAT Steny Hoyer
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/116/hr748
Paycheck Protection Program and Health Care Enhancement Act
Introduced by DEMOCRAT Rep. McCollum, Betty [MN]
Yes Votes - [Democrats] 230, [Republicans] 10
The Consolidated Appropriations Act
DEMOCRAT Henry Cuellar
100% bipartisan.
And Biden's?? I don't even have to look those up to have surety that EVERY SINGLE ONE was written by a DEMOCRAT.
Take-Away; It is MASSIVELY misleading to blame a Parent for not stopping their offspring from committing crimes; and that is EXACTLY the stance your pushing 90% of the time.
A kinder, gentler totalitarian repression... coming to a United State near you.
(Seriously though, interesting read, Jesse. Thanks.)
Meanwhile in the USA's Congress, a growing Progressive Cancer, er, Caucus thinks everyone can live off "the rich", ignoring the lessons of history.
They are the rich. It's all theatre to keep the proles distracted, while they made more money last year than has ever been made in human history.
Is it growing? They seem to have come out the losers on this one.
When an additional 1.2 trillion in federal spending "seems" like them losing, I'd say they're winning... roughshod.
Shush. Dee’s running cover for lefties here.
I didn't really take the comment as running cover. Naive at best, though, to not recognize how far left everything has shifted.
No, she’s running cover. See below where she claims it’s just infrastructure. Nobody really believes that it’s just infrastructure, right? It’s a bunch of money for left wing special interests.
I’d be shocked if more than half of the money actually goes to things like roads and bridges.
Like anything politicians do, it's an attempt to buy votes. Hopefully it backfires, but I doubt it (long term, at least).
They are certainly rewarding unions with this infrastructure bill.
Oh but it WILL go toward bridges! As in “bridging the gap between (insert “privilege” group here) and (insert grievance group here).
Thank you for acknowledging I wasn’t “running cover” or excusing Congressional spending or supporting progressivism.
It’s nice when someone around here can get subtlety of argument and observation.
You somehow thought my comment reflects naivety on my part, but I assure you that wasn’t what I was getting at. I’m just saying this latest round of spending came from a different faction within the Democratic Party, and isn’t the area of spending that appeals to progressives.
The "naive" comment was a bit of a shot... apologies. As a Christian, I try not to engage in stone throwing. We've all got our eye splinters.
I understand what you're saying. I simply disagree. Even if the progressives are ostensibly unsatisfied with the legislation, they've been extremely successful at pulling everything in their direction for at least the past two decades. I'd call that winning.
Yes, they have probably been winning over the long run. I’m not totally sure of that because the pendulum continues to swing from Presidency to Presidency.
The “squad” are getting slammed by many liberals as being obstructionists, and none of the spending was on progressive favorites like child care, socialized medicine, etc. It’s on infrastructure, which is like stuff that even appeals to cis males and Republicans.
No matter how it's being spent, or who's upset about it, it's indicative of the gains in collectivist ideology. It's a net win for socialists that such bloated, centralized budgets are even considered, let alone passed.
I’ll buy that it’s collectivist or socialistic, it’s just that this particular round of spending isn’t advancing progressive goals, specifically.
And if, when the details come out and there’s a bunch of progressive bullshit in it, you’ll acknowledge you were wrong, right?
Valid, not all of their goals anyway.
Cancer should be killed.
Stranger Things 4 teaser trailer sees Eleven trying to embrace California lifestyle while dealing with demons from her past
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-10172269/Stranger-Things-4-new-teaser-sees-Eleven-trying-embrace-California-lifestyle.html
Wearing a mask and trying to find her vaccine passport?
But when does Mean Girls 2 come out?
You missed it…..
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1679235/
I love “Stranger Things!” I wish they’d nail down the release date a bit more specifically than “in the near future”….
"Unconsciously echoing Djilas, Yang argued that China's problem wasn't simply reactionary elements within the Communist Party: The party itself was a privileged class. It should be overthrown, he declared, and replaced with a democracy modeled on the Paris Commune"
I wonder what would have happened to world history if the Paris Commune had been allowed to play out and reach the natural fate we all know it would. So many communist revolutionaries worldwide were enamored with the idea of it, because it never had a chance to completely discredit itself.
"Not a real commune", "Capitalist saboteurs", "Wrong revolutionary in charge"
^ This. Alas. *SIGH*
"No True Marxist-Leninist" Fallacy?
Pretty sure it was Conquest's book on the collapse of the USSR where he mentions that the Kremlin was well aware of the Moscow (and other locations) courtyard black markets, protected by hired thugs, where people were able to get enough to eat.
Of course the food had been stolen or grown in "illegal" plots, and the money to buy it came from "illegal" jobs and small businesses.
But Gorby was well aware that it would take the military to shut them all down, and since the military shopped there also, such an effort was not likely to help what was already a shaky regime.
So he adopted what you might call the 'turd-approach'; pretend it's not true and lie about it, loudly.
Sounds like CA with the 'illegal' weed stores.
Speaking of failed communist societies, I'm seeing a lot of parallels between Brezhnev's last years and Biden's first.
Brezhnev had a stroke in 1975 and became a weak old man quite rapidly. He was desperate to retire to his dacha in the country, but his top officials, Yuri Andropov, Andrei Gromyko, and Andrei Grechko wouldn't let him.
The Ministry of Health kept doctors by Brezhnev's side at all times, and Brezhnev was brought back from near-death on several occasions. All the senior officers of the CPSU wanted to keep Brezhnev alive because he was the source of their power.
So the country was actually governed by Gromyko, Ustinov, Suslov and Andropov who made all the crucial Politburo decisions despite Brezhnev not even going to work anymore. Much like Klain, Rice, etc. are doing with Biden.
One of those guys took on a business partner and started a taxi cab company.
Pickup/Andropov
Chumby's got competition!
They had been balkan about setting up a location in Belgrade for fear that they would be viewed as too lyft-wing. Their business model revolved around taking passengers to state-desired locations with the slogan: Where I Go, Yugo.
But not much competition.
Every master has an apprentice.
Nope, notta LADA!
The car should have been called Yu-Don't-Go. I remember seeing a box with free raffle tickets trying to give a Yugo away and they still couldn't give it away!
Until Andropov fell I’ll himself and found the business too TAXIng.
Ūber tighten up if you want to compete with Chumby.
FBI Raids Project Veritas . . . Over A Missing Biden Diary?
There is a curious story out this weekend on reported FBI raids of writers or associates of Project Veritas, the conservative investigative journalism outfit. Project Veritas has been described variously as “Gonzo” or “guerilla” journalism and some insist it is more of a political than a press organization. However, it fits the definition of journalism, in my view, and that makes the raids troubling. All the more troubling is the cause: the missing diary of President Biden’s daughter Ashley.
https://jonathanturley.org/2021/11/07/fbi-raids-project-veritas-over-a-missing-biden-diary/
This has JoeBama and their nasty little minions in government written all over it.
The FBI hasn't taken significant action based on the revelations in Ashley's diary or Hunter's laptop, but look at them go here.
The FBI is now pretty much the DNC's KGB.
Related, posted elsewhere but bares repeating:
"Capitol Rioter Who Boasted She Wouldn’t Go to Jail Because She’s White Is Going to Jail"
[...]
"At the hearing, Cooper told Ryan that he believed her punishment would tell Americans “something about the courts and about how our country responded to what happened, and I think the sentence should tell them that we take it seriously.”..."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-rioter-boasted-she-wouldn-154911234.html
Cooper is the judge, telling the defendant that exercising her A1 rights is 'sending a bad message' which Cooper intends to correct, in spite of the fact that no coordinated effort has been found to be aimed at anything at all, let alone 'changing the results of an election'.
Note that not a single protester ("insurrectionist") has been charged with much more than a late library book or an unpaid parking ticket. This woman is a victim of 'signaling' by an assholic judge, far overstepping his/her authority.
Greenwald's take on the issue (especially that 'doctor' whose head is exploding) is looking spot on.
Hey, Shitstain, turd, sarc, Mike and other lefty shits! Tell us how they were going to 'overthrow democracy!!!!!!', assholes.
Paul was the one who found Greenwald's comments:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgo7JXgk_t4
The FBI has become more like the SS or the Stasi, an enforcement arm of The Party.
When people say stupid shit like that it's like black guys comparing McDonald's to slavery. Appreciate what you've got. Because you've got it pretty damn good.
Sarcasmic hasn't been paying attention for the last twenty years (or 9 mos), which is why he can pretend it's 1999 like this.
1999 is where the Party’s at!
Please sarc. Tell us how the fbi raiding the houses of 3 journalists over a diary that wasn't stolen but left in drug rehab is good.
Remember that time the FBI told CNN before they raided Roger Stone’s house so they could televise it like the good propagandists they are?
Definitely not them acting like an enforcement arm of The Party.
What an incredibly asinine thing to say sarc,
True facts. Even Lysander Spooner had to admit that even under Reconstruction, These Sovereign states were the envy of the rest of the world. T'was to the land iv Pierponts, Rockefellers, Vanderbilts and Carnegies that folks with gumption and ability struggled to emigrate. Parasites also emigrated to escape the product of their ideologies overseas, but then... who wouldn't?
The Federal Bureau of Instigation has been a criminal operation since Hoover's day.
It would take martial law and mass arrests to get rid of it. Same for the CIA and NSA.
"Would" is always present where people equivocate wishful thinking or suppositions for premises. All arguments intended to conflate communist anarchism with anything libertarian, for example, are more heavily loaded with "would" than with sawdust.
"Project Veritas did not publish Ms. Biden’s diary, but dozens of handwritten pages from it were posted on a right-wing website last year a week and a half before Election Day, at a time when President Donald J. Trump was seeking to undermine Mr. Biden’s credibility by portraying his son Hunter as engaging in corrupt business dealings. The posting was largely ignored by other conservative outlets and the mainstream media."
----The New York Times, November 6, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/06/us/politics/james-okeefe-project-veritas-ashley-biden.html?
Two questions:
1) Why is the FBI involved in the theft of a diary?
2) Is the FBI involved because of the Trump campaign?
If the reason the FBI is involved is because they've taken it upon themselves to police Republican presidential campaigns, that's worse than the FBI merely overstepping its bounds because the president's daughter is involved. The FBI has no business policing political campaigns.
P.S. Fuck Joe Biden!
Fuck Joe Biden
Fuck Joe Biden
The FBI has no business policing political campaigns.
You can't see it because you have him blocked, but sarcasmic is squeaking above that comparing this to KGB practices is horrible exaggeration.
Because he's a good proxy for the views of your average boomer CNN viewer, I wonder what these people would consider a step too far?
It feels like the parable of the boiling frog. The water's starting to bubble but they still insist everything is fine.
I'd compare it to Comey era FBI practices.
Who gave them a warrant on the basis of an alleged stolen diary?
I’d guess a judge either appointed by Obama, funded by Soros, or both.
It was the new york office. So easy to guess.
Marcia Brady?
Marcia ! Marcia ! Marcia !
It wasn't even stolen. She left it at drug rehab. And the NYT didn't mention the inappropriate showers between dad and daughter.
Weird right? Because they spilled gallons of ink on incest speculation when Trump bragged about how good looking his kid was. And yet nothing for that.
They've also been remarkably silent about how Hunter banged his underage blood niece, but somehow young Barron was a legitimate press target.
Socialism is inherently authoritarian. It is time to stop pretending that it will ever be significantly separated from communism in any meaningful way.
I'd bet that ten years from now socialist orators will still assert that communism and nationalsocialism "weren't really" socialism. I'd also lay odds that televangelized Republicans will still be insisting that Positive Christian National Socialism and Lateran Treaty Italian and Spanish fascism "weren't really" Christian or altruist. Ask around and see for yourself.
It's already happening, Hank. Leftists have always denied that Christian National Socialism was Socialist and Conservatives have always denied that Christian National Socialism is Christian. They will both call it Nationalist, even though it is more Transnational Tribalism supporrted from all sides of the drink. There are even Israelis of Russian extraction who are Neo-Nazis and Mongolians who venerate both Genghis Khan and Der Fuhrer.
Ministry of Climate Change Control Taxation
and Pandemic Safety
Federal court blocks SleepyJoe’s vaccine mandate.
Why don't the people just submit?
- Joe, or any typical American liberal
Thou shall not covet thy neighbor’s social credit score
My credit score is like 815, why would I covet my neighbor's?
God you are fucking stupid. Please understand what a social credit score is dumbass.
You know sarc would have a terrible social credit score.
And notice his comment is "ideas", not making the thread about him.
Early drunk?
It’s the weekend. And on the weekends, sarc day drinks.
A Sinfest fan, perhaps?
https://thehill.com/opinion/finance/565860-coming-soon-americas-own-social-credit-system
Hold up, did sarcasmic just confuse a credit score with China's social credit system?
That's hilarious.
"Why don't the people just submit?"
Because they're racist insurrectionists!
link:
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2021/11/06/federal-court-blocks-biden-administration-requirement-private-sector-workers-vaccinated/3411636227479/
If we could get a few ideas across to most Americans, these would probably be at the top of my wish list:
1) The difference between socialism and capitalism is clear. In a more socialist economy, industry is dominated by the government, wealth is distributed by the government, and prices are set by the government. In a more capitalist economy, industry is dominated by private owners catering to markets, wealth is distributed by markets, and prices are set by markets. Whatever additional distinctions there are between socialism and capitalism are only in addition to these core features.
2) Markets are nothing but people making choices. Having elected politicians plan industry, distribute wealth, and set prices will not make the economy more responsive to the people. Elected politicians making choices on our behalf are not more responsive than people are to their own desires when they're making choices for themselves in markets. Representative democracy and democratic socialism are both hopeless undemocratic compared to people representing themselves in markets.
3) The failure of socialist economies (compared to capitalism) has nothing to do with the knowledge and intellectual authority of the people running the government, how much the people in charge care about the people, or whether the people in charge share the same demographic features as the people they're governing. Ultimately, socialism fails because the government cannot see the world from 325 million individual perspectives--simultaneously and in real time--the way market capitalism does.
People who do not understand these things are poorly educated. These principles should have been clear to everyone before the beginning of the 20th century, given the information and arguments that were already available, but for those of us who have the benefit of seeing everything that happened in the 20th century--debunking socialism is no longer a theoretical exercise. No wonder the socialists want to teach our kids their Marxist religion in public schools in the form of CRT. Reasonable people wouldn't be socialists if they were properly educated. Socialism can only survive as a religious faith.
0.5) Government does not have wealth. For them to be able to spend money, they must take it from other people. In some cases, such as the gasoline tax, people that pay the tax benefit from it. In other cases, such as the trillions in social spending, not only are the funders not benefitting but some oppose such actions knowing that at best they are inefficient. It leads to more unproductive people that demand additional social spending. For a person to receive a government benefit, it requires others to work and have it taken from them.
1) "[...] In a more capitalist economy [...] prices are set by markets..."
More specifically, prices are always and everywhere set by the buyers. Sellers can only ask for a price; it becomes 'the price' when the good in question finds a buyer. "Gouging" does not exist.
Now when the government dicks with the market, we're in trouble as we are now, having yielded control of the market to government 'planners' some 20 months back. Want empty containers where they are not needed? Turn over the economy to Newsom and the other econ-ignoramuses; presto!
I wonder what other things of libertarian interest happened in the last 48 hours.
I’m curious how Reason will cover it when they get around to it.
What happened in the last 48 hours?
The pop-up video has me craving Chinese food.
The Minister of Food is known as the RiceChancellor.
I was wondering why they always sport bowl cut hair….
The bowl cut is out. Fast forward to 2 minutes and play for a few:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m5o6vP0Obdg
That's Lice Chancerrol, Lound-Eye!
Good libertarian commentary from a British perspective on Critical Race Theory.
Happy November 7 Comrades!
With Communist Greetings,
Utkonos
Frankly, my revolutionary festivities got off to a bad start. There I was late Saturday night plotting my glorious Great Leap Forward…when lo and behold at 1:59 I suffered a Fall Back! But fear not comrades! I shall root out the counterrevolutionary saboteurs behind this and smash their vile reactionary dogheads!
Forward! with your festivities, Comrade! Seize the means of intoxicant and lubicant production! You have nothing to lose but your sobriety and your jism!
Was Comrade Malm, the noted Climate Leninistand saboteur of reactionary doghead pipelines invited to the festivities?
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2021/11/vol_6.html
Hmmmm…..Most inspiring! I must issue a congratulatory telegram inviting Comrade Malm to become a candidate member of the Central Committee!
A violation of liberty so disgusting, so unlibertarian, that it must... not... stand.
Every time some yabbo comes into the comments bragging about how when he got HIS vaccine that his life now pretty much normal, my response shall be, "Well thank your Republican governor for that."
Such an abuse of executive power!
— Reason
Meanwhile in Australia.
Margaret Sanger is on the line, she's got good news about this new Virus spreading around.
And the question does become why did so many immigrants to the US from Russia (before and even after Lenin took over) engage in subjecting American institutions, values, and the media with communism? What was the "love" by so many Russians for the Communists/Socialists...this never is allowed to be discussed (we can ask why so many of the "mafia" were Sicilians and that is fair game) but why the hell were so many Russian immigrants communist? And why did they get so much influence in the US in our colleges and media?
Tribal conservatism.
The USA Bundy Story ( History repeating itself )
The government had not just seized land but demanded absurdly high production quotas—and sent many of the farmers who couldn't meet them to internment camps. The push prompted violent resistance in the countryside, most notably the Cazin Rebellion of May 1950, in which hundreds of peasants took up arms against the state.
But Obama had the "Climate Change Hoax" excuse to STEAL the Land!??!!! Right, Right???
Any Excuse to STEAL and ENSLAVE..................................
The very foundation of every Democrat.
FLPMA (where 28% of the US Landmass is TAKEN by the FEDS)
Introduced by DEMOCRAT Haskell, Floyd cosponsored by
DEMOCRAT Jackson, Henry and DEMOCRAT Metcalf, Lee
Thanks so much for the broad-ranging, well-researched and brilliantly-written article.
Socialist governments which allow some aspects of capitalism (corporatism, really) is actually what fascism is all about. The state is still in control of the industries, but private ownership is allowed.
This is a good article on it:
https://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2011/01/20/china-the-first-mature-fascist-state-n187147
Ownership requires control or it's not ownership. This fact, this definition is ignored by fascism. For example, "private ownership" is a redundant term. All ownership is private, or it's not ownership. "Public property"/"commons", is not property, quite the opposite. No one can claim permanent control as control quickly changes with political power, resulting in "tragedy of the commons", e.g., short sighted exploitation which always results in destruction. But, since the public is not able to recognize the contradictions in authoritarian politics the fraud the rulers sell gets by them, hurts them.
As a voluntarist I am for self-government so I point this out. Don't be fooled into submission, into forfeiting your sovereignty by voting to be ruled. For your security, your self-confidence, your self-esteem, disobey political authority, e.g., do not comply with offensive mandates.