University of Florida Bans Professors From Testifying Against State Voting Law
"Outside activities that may pose a conflict of interest to the executive branch of the State of Florida create a conflict for the University of Florida," said the university in a statement.

The University of Florida forbade three of its professors from testifying as expert witnesses in a lawsuit challenging a new Florida voting law, according to documents filed by the plaintiffs in the lawsuit.
The law in question, S.B. 90, was one of a glut of new laws passed earlier this year in Republican-led states. Among other things, S.B. 90 put new limitations on voting by mail and ballot drop boxes. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed the bill into law in May. The same month, a group of voting rights advocates sued to block it, saying that it violated the Voting Rights Act and would disproportionately harm people of color.
To bolster their case against the law, the plaintiffs sought to enlist the testimony of three professors from the University of Florida (UF): Daniel Smith, Michael McDonald, and Sharon Austin, experts in election law, voting behaviors, and voting rights. The university, however, denied the professors' requests, saying in part, "Outside activities that may pose a conflict of interest to the executive branch of the State of Florida create a conflict for the University of Florida." As a public university, UF receives state funding, but consequently, it also has First Amendment obligations to its students and faculty that a private university would not have. The denial was news to the professors—in fact, as The New York Times reported, Smith had previously "testified with the University of Florida's permission in two voting rights lawsuits against Florida's Republican-led government in 2018."
Over the weekend, UF President Kent Fuchs and Provost Joe Glover jointly issued a statement, affirming the university's dedication to academic freedom and freedom of speech, announcing the appointment of a "task force" to "review" the university's policy on conflicts of interest for "consistency and fidelity," and further clarifying that "if the professors wish to testify pro bono on their own time without using university resources, they are free to do so."
However, as McDonald tweeted last week, "Our compensation was not given as a reason in the original disapproval" from the university. Smith declined Reason's request for comment, citing possible litigation. However, in a statement to Fuchs that was provided to Reason, David O'Neill and Paul Donnelly, attorneys representing the three professors, assert that "Prohibiting Professors from giving standard expert testimony, and instead only allowing pro bono testimony, undermines their credibility as expert witnesses and chills their speech."
Smith's C.V., linked on the school's website, lists multiple pages of experience as a consultant, lead author, or expert witness on behalf of plaintiffs, including several filed against the state of Florida. In only three total cases does he list himself as having appeared pro bono. Jennifer Garrett, media strategist for the American Civil Liberties Union of Florida (one of the plaintiffs referenced on Smith's C.V.), confirmed to Reason that Smith was compensated for his work with them.
In theory, it is entirely possible for a government entity to restrict the ways in which its employees speak out in their capacity as employees. National Review's Dan McLaughlin writes that even though "academics are not bound by a code of ethics or a duty of loyalty to their employers," they do still serve as state employees, and they should not be able to use "the imprimatur of their status as state-university professors to make the case against the state before a judge or jury."
However, as the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) said in a letter to the school, the Supreme Court ruled in Lane v. Franks (2014) that "Truthful testimony under oath by a public employee outside the scope of his ordinary job duties is speech as a citizen for First Amendment purposes." In a press release, FIRE said: "It doesn't matter if the professors are paid for their labor, or if the labor is provided pro bono. They have a right to testify."
On Tuesday, a fourth UF professor came forward claiming that he had been prevented from providing expert testimony. As reported by The Chronicle of Higher Education, Jeffrey Goldhagen, a professor of pediatrics at the UF College of Medicine in Jacksonville, was asked to provide expert testimony this summer in a series of cases regarding DeSantis' ban on mask mandates. Despite assurances that he did not expect to be paid, and that he "would be participating as a private citizen, and not as a UF faculty member," Goldhagen's requests were denied on the basis that because "UF is an extension of the state as a state agency, litigation against the state is adverse to UF's interests."
Critics of UF's actions have blamed the DeSantis administration, pointing out that the chairman of UF's Board of Trustees, Morteza Hosseini, is a DeSantis adviser. DeSantis' office has denied any involvement with UF's decision. Either way, it's unclear how professors providing testimony on specific state policies within their respective areas of expertise could be "adverse to [the] interests" of the university, unless the university feared some kind of retaliation from the DeSantis administration.
It remains to be seen whether the school's policy is unconstitutional, but at the very least, it is counter to the promotion of free speech on college campuses. As FIRE attorney Aaron Terr wrote in a letter to Fuchs, "The notion that a government actor such as UF can suppress truthful testimony in court out of a general concern that the testimony would be 'adverse' to the government's interests is completely alien to the First Amendment and harmful to the administration of justice."
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The university is being stupid. But putting any credence into professors as "experts" on political questions is even dumber.
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It's one thing for a scholar to testify on topics within his field as a private citizen (who happens to be an expert in the field and is employed by the U of xyz and is first author of thusandsuch many research papers), and quite another to testify on topics within his field as Professor ABC of the U of xyz.
One carries the weight of his knowledge, the second starts looking like it is the official representative of the University (who is now in the position of commenting on maters political while on the public's nickel.
And no. Just . . . No.
A professor can use his expertise privately - which these people were doing. By your standard no public employee could ever do anything because it could look like the state was endorsing it.
And it opens it up for private companies to control privates speech - lest someone think the company was endorsing it.
Depends on the contract. Lots of university professors in their field owe their intellectual work product to the University - e.g., it owns the resulting patents.
Saying a university professor gets to professor for third parties privately outside of his university is like saying a lawyer gets to lawyer for third parties privately outside of his firm. Often not, due to contract terms.
This case has the added issue of whether these professors are representing the university. Almost surely, the plaintiff Democrats would be touting the "University's" condemnation of the racist voter ID rules if these professors were to provide expert testimony. This is where the professors are free under the First Amendment to make comments in their personal capacity on a political issue.
But if it's a professional comment, the university might own it. And if it's arguably in their capacity as representatives of the university, the university gets to stop it.
That is sort of where I netted out. I see this as an employment law issue, not a 1-A issue.
"But if it's a professional comment, the university might own it. And if it's arguably in their capacity as representatives of the university, the university gets to stop it."
I have assumed that, since the University of Florida has approved such paid testimony in the past, it is at best suspiciously inconsistent of the university to block such paid testimony in this case. As for intellectual property, patents are typically owned by the university, but the intellectual property of poli sci profs consists primarily of books and articles, any payment for which (such as royalties) goes to the prof., and honoraria for lectures, which again belongs to the prof.
At best, you're describing general practice, not a legal rule.
I have assumed that there is no "legal rule" prohibiting faculty members from being compensated for such testimony. If you aware of a "legal rule" that can be applied so capriciously, please cite it.
I was referring to your claims about what the professor "owns" and "gets." You're the one making claims about a default legal rule. My point is that the applicable university contract is what sets these terms, disregarding your generalizations.
While I have never taught at the University of Florida, I have been on the faculty of several R1s, and at each the employment contracts have been consistent in requiring faculty to register patents to the university, but are silent on the allocation of royalties for publications, honoraia and other payments for lectures, speeches, etc. That is, in my experience at comparable universities, there is no "legal rule" prohibiting faculty from being compensated for a variety of professional activities. I'm not sure how else to express this: it is certainly a "general practice," but I don't think I claimed any more than that -- and presumably a university could not retrospectively invent a "legal rule" that was not in the original employment contract, prohibiting faculty from being paid for these traditional activities.
Let me suggest that most published political science research is worthless in market terms except for textbooks, which are not even considered academic research. If I recall correctly, I went to the trouble of copyrighting my dissertation (researched and written while I was also an employee of a state university at the time in the same academic department), but have to content myself with being cited a couple of times perhaps instead of even 2 cents in royalties. So, no recovery even of the copyrighting fees, or the postage. I may have received $50.00 for a commissioned encyclopedia article once, but not even a gratis desk copy of the published work. From the law reviews you would at least get a stack of bockletted copies of your piece back in the day.
BOTTOM LINE: there is no serious money to be made (by authors) from publishing original scholarly work in POLS and probably same in other social science disciplines (with some exceptions).
There are 49 other states that expertise could be applied to. Now maybe if it was something state specific like law where local details become important but general expertise can be applied to all kinds of other places that don't generate an appearance of conflict, either for the institution or for the individual.
That’s the exact hair he just split.
It’s one thing to state “I am Prof Expert, and I have specialized knowledge in X. I’ve wrote a dissertation and written many books and scholarly papers on the subject.”
But another to say, “I’m Prof Expert, Associate Professor of Some Shit™️ at the University of Florida.”
they can testify but have to wear Seminoles shirts.
>>Michael McDonald
it keeps you running.
UF are the Gators. FSU are the Seminoles. Are they supposed to be dressing to fool the administration?
The accreditors are looking at this as an acade mic freedom violation.
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2021/11/01/ufs-ban-on-professors-testifying-against-state-to-be-investigated-says-accreditor/
The contracts with the faculty may have AF guaranteed in their contracts. AAUP might censure a U that violates AF.
Who takes the king's shilling ... is a core reason to divorce owners hip and management of schools from any units of government.
They can't be PAID to testify you fucking idiot. PAID.
Fucking idiot.
That's not actually the rule that the university is trying to enforce. They allow lots of paid extracurricular activities. Their initial statements said that this testimony would be banned whether paid or not. The university's subsequent press releases have waffled on whether this particular testimony can or should depend on paid vs pro-bono but it's pretty clearly a pretext since they don't even pretend to control other financial conflicts of interest by their employees.
They have been paid in the past, with the approval of the university. And the profs made it clear that they would be reimbursed for their expenses, not paid a fee over and above that.
Boy, I’d file this one under “cancel culture” and talk about how snowflakes can’t stand free speech, but in this particular case the example doesn’t include Jordan Peterson or some gaslighting dick fascist trying to figure out why people are throwing milkshakes at him so I guess I’ll have to file it under something else? Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Pay your mortgage.
It's always funny to me when people who advocate for more freedom, liberty, and personal responsibility are referred to as fascists by their opponents.
Either you don't understand what fascism is, or you purposefully misuse it for political shock value to score intellectually dishonest points.
So, which one is it for you on this occasion?
Libertarians: Conspiring to let you live your life as you see fit.
Fascists always pretend to be on the side of the angels. If you're trying to purge universities of wrongthink, it doesn't matter how much you pat yourself on the back for your high-level ideas.
Those inclined to simple-minded authoritarian thinking have a hard time understanding that others might be opposed to all authorities, not just their brand of authorities. To these morons, the world is always commies vs. fascists.
Of course this reveals most of the anti-"fascists" as commies.
ObSimpsons: Freedom! Horrible, horrible freedom!
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Yes, file it up your ass.
I think both sides make a fair point.
The professors should be taking unpaid days off for the time they are being paid to prepare and deliver testimony.
There should be some mechanism to ensure that the University of Florida is not being invoked as an entity that opposes the State. That is probably more difficult than it sounds, as they have to establish their credentials. Perhaps both lawyers could agree to stipulate their expertise in exchange for not mentioning their employer?
Meanwhile, most academic physicians are allowed to speak on behalf of pharmaceutical companies and get paid for it. But not all. Presumably that presents a form of precedent to sort this out?
Unpaid time off? That's ridiculous. Time off means time off. The university does not get to decide what activities at corporately appropriate for time off. If they ARE deciding that - then it is NOT time off. The only legitimate 'conflict of interest' for the university is if the prof is testifying and some class or other job activity is being disrupted. There is no 'conflict of interest' with the 'executive branch'.
The First Amendment violation here is also the two UF employees (and I assume some political hack in the governor's office) trying to squash the right 'to petition the government for a redress of grievances'. Undermining the ability to participate in that lawsuit is exactly that. That right has been getting squashed for a long time.
"The professors should be taking unpaid days off for the time they are being paid to prepare and deliver testimony."
The primary output produced by professors at research universities is scholarship and research, and presumably these profs would argue that the work they invest in preparing and delivering testimony in this case is part of that scholarly output. If they were to turn that output into a book, there would be no question that they could collect and keep the royalties.
"Meanwhile, most academic physicians are allowed to speak on behalf of pharmaceutical companies and get paid for it."
That is not the sort of activity that would put State government funding at risk. More like the sort of activity that would make the Medical School more attractive to potential students and educators.
Full-time profesors ... unpaid time off? Aren't they on salary? Do they have to be in the office even, except occasionally to meet students and a few hours of in-person presence in a lecture hall or seminar room (under pre-pandemic conditions)?
And while we are on the topic of divergent academic role conceptions … how about some serious whataboutism …
BARRATROSITY ?
What if a professor of jurisprudence prone to pushing buttons and envelopes, not to mention doctrines, were to pro-bono himself to the abortion industry, and were to incite litigation against SB8 plaintiffs and writ-writers in Texas under a novel devil-ex-machina state-actor Section 1983 theory of color-of-law liability for private litigants dreamed up from the comforts of an employer-funded swivel chair?
Or were to deputize some captive law students to "go get them"?
Any ethics concerns there?
"As a public university, UF receives state funding, but consequently, it also has First Amendment obligations to its students and faculty that a private university would not have."
----Joe Lancaster
This piece seems to gloss over some important information that the NPR piece it links to included.
"The professors' requests to appear as expert witnesses were filed through the university's conflict of interest office, which requires faculty to "report any outside activities and interests." Guidance from the university shows that serving as an expert witness is considered to receive "low scrutiny" and is "generally approved" as long as it is "not likely to adversely impact UF's interests."
----NPR
https://www.npr.org/2021/10/30/1050817670/university-florida-professors-free-speech-voting-rights
This may be a feature of the professors' contracts, and contractual obligations to limit your own freedom of speech rights are not in conflict with the First Amendment. Non-disclosure agreements are one example. Given that they filed a request to the "university's conflict of interest office", the university probably has this as standard language in all their professors' contracts. The university probably doesn't want their professors appearing in advertising for questionable products either. For instance, they probably don't want University of Florida professors endorsing Mountain Dew over Coca Cola for health reasons.
It is not unconstitutional to waive your right to remain silent. It is not unconstitutional to waive your right to a trial by jury. It is not unconstitutional to waive your right to an attorney and represent yourself. It is not unconstitutional to waive your Second Amendment right to carry a gun as part of an employment contract, and it is not unconstitutional to waive your First Amendment rights as part of an employment contract either. Point is, this appears to be a contract dispute rather than a First Amendment issue.
"It remains to be seen whether the school's policy is unconstitutional, but at the very least, it is counter to the promotion of free speech on college campuses."
----Joe Lancaster
Just because we don't like Florida's voting laws, that isn't a good reason to argue in favor of everything that opposes them. And that principle doesn't remain to be seen. It just is, and it works on everything. There are millions of things in the world that are both awful and perfectly constitutional.
How would professors testifying in a lawsuit regarding areas within their expertise "likely to adversely impact UF's interests"?
I can't think of any situations off the top of my head where this would be an issue. UF is basically saying that it would "adversely impact UF's interests" for these professors to testify against laws passed and signed by the current legislature and governor. Maybe the higher ups at UF worried that it could piss DeSantis and the GOP legislature off enough to retaliate against UF by cutting its funding or something.
It should also be noted how UF administration didn't question in the slightest hiring DeSantis' pick for state Surgeon General to the med school faculty to the tune of ~200k a year. (Something that is usually done for that position, but with the controversy surrounding this guy, the rest of the faculty at the med school may have not liked him getting the same salary that they get just for being someone with a medical degree that will say what DeSantis wants him to say about COVID issues.)
Good luck convincing prospective scholars that UF won't bow to pressure from the state GOP now.
Maybe if they look like they're taking sides in a highly partisan issue, it could impact alumni donations?
I don't know.
I'm not qualified to say what is and isn't important to other people. They're perfectly capable of deciding that on their own.
Should we make disqualifying judgements about the importance of other people's religious convictions, too?
How important is it, really, not to work on Shabbat? How important is it not to not eat pork or pray five times a day? That's the thing about rights. They're important to the people who are exercising them for their own reasons. We should respect them anyway. Contractual rights are like that, too. If their significance only matters to the people who hold them, they're still significant.
The only 'controversy' about the Surgeon General is the University kowtowing to the wrong sort of politician.
Under any other circumstances it would be considered SOP.
"This piece seems to gloss over some important information...."
More accurate than 'free minds, and free markets' to be sure.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing a law that anybody that works for the government loses the right to vote or make campaign contributions including speaking in favor of candidates or positions since there's an obvious conflict of interest in being able to support your potential boss.
That include soldiers? They work for the government. Law enforcement officers? Firemen? Or do you want this to just apply to government workers that might be more likely to vote for Democrats?
Why not? Public employees certainly have a skewed interest in electing officials who will support them, financially and otherwise, and despite what might be better for the public.
What about business owners that contract with the government that have a skewed interest in electing officials that will support them, financially and otherwise, and despite what might be better for the public? Or anyone else for that matter, like you? Are you going to disenfranchise anyone that gets any tangible benefits from government? That would be basically everyone.
Found the government employee.
Unlike government employees, contractors have to win public bids. Unlike government employees, citizens pay more to the government than they receive.
We have an answer to solving the obvious corruption problem that feeds you - take away the government's power to pick winners and losers, to rob Peter to pay Paul.
You disagree, because you're Paul. Why the fuck is Paul getting to vote on what to do with Peter's money?
Unlike government employees, contractors have to win public bids.
Uh, government employees have to apply for their jobs, competing with everyone else that wants that same job.
Unlike government employees, citizens pay more to the government than they receive.
Uh, what? Government employees pay taxes on their income, just like anyone else with a job. And that income is compensation for their labor, for fuck's sake. It isn't a freebie or entitlement; it is payment for services they do for the public.
See, this is why Confucius went on and on about the rectification of names. What you claim is "unclear" becomes entirely transparent when you correctly substitute "the State of Florida" (the actual entity that employs the professors) for "the university" (which is not merely "funded" by the state, but is in fact nothing more than a specialized organ of the State of Florida).
Whether or not the professors have the right to testify in a lawsuit against the State of Florida, it's not remotely "unclear" how their testimony in a lawsuit against the State of Florida could be against the interests of the State of Florida.
No. Their testimony is against the political interests of the current governor and legislative majority that passed this law. Whether it could be against the interests of the State of Florida is much less clear.
You have a problem with appointed government being subservient to the interests of the elected government?
Fuck off slaver.
No. I have a problem with elected government telling people hired by the government what to do other than in regards to their job description. There is nothing in a professor's job description that says that they can't speak against laws passed by the government.
You keep saying 'job description' as if that somehow does not include abiding by the terms of employment.
If they do not like the job, and all that it entails, they can quit.
Where is it in their terms of employment that they can't testify for the side challenging the validity of state laws or other government actions?
Since the context here is explicitly a lawsuit, the word "interests" here means the legal interests of the State of Florida in the specific lawsuit to which the State of Florida is a party. Anyone testifying against the position of the State of Florida in the lawsuit is accordingly acting directly against the interests of the State of Florida in the lawsuit. Metaphysical debate over whether it would somehow be good for the State of Florida for the State of Florida to lose the lawsuit is entirely irrelevant to the analysis.
"Metaphysical debate over whether it would somehow be good for the State of Florida for the State of Florida to lose the lawsuit is entirely irrelevant to the analysis."
Not merely irrelevant, flat out wrong.
We are a representative republic. It is a duty of the elected officials to decide such matters. Then they bear the consequences of such decision at the next election.
That is how it is supposed to work.
And if the politics of this specific matter ran in the other direction I'm quite certain that most if not all of those making these arguments would be spinning in the exact opposite direction.
"Among other things, S.B. 90 put new limitations on voting by mail and ballot drop boxes."
So, uh, how long were the things this law is "limiting" in effect legally?
Hm, I thought for sure Ron DeSantis was an uppity gym teacher, but he went to Harvard and Yale same as all the other goosestepping meatballs in his party who demonstrate their masculinity by beating up on trans high schoolers and kissing the sweaty fingers of Donald Trump. The banality of evil indeed.
You'd think people who went to the premier universities of the world would have learned something about the concept of academic freedom, but the Ivies have been churning out fascists at an impressive clip. Must be one of their hare-brained affirmative action programs.
Let's see here - The GOVERNMENT ran Commie-Education is now insisting the people that work for the GOVERNMENT can't testify against the GOVERNMENT..................... Hmmmmmmmmmmm.....
And who says the USA doesn't have a Nazi-Regime?
"if the professors wish to testify pro bono on their own time without using university resources, they are free to do so."
cool. Next story.
The only experts they should call up are people of color and ask them if they have any trouble getting ids. Everything else is political bullshit.
In a case in Pennsylvania from 2014:
Noted [Judge] McGinley: “In contrast to the hundreds of thousands who lack compliant photo ID, only 17,000 photo IDs for voting purposes have been issued.” Since the 2012 election, fewer than 150 new voting IDs had been issued by the state per month.
That’s because getting a voter ID in Pennsylvania was a bureaucratic nightmare. There are 9,300 polling places in the state, but only 71 DMV offices. There are only five DMV offices for the entire city of Philadelphia, none in nine counties and in 16 counties offices are only open one or two days a week. “The Voter ID Law does not contain, on its face, any valid non-burdensome means of providing compliant photo ID to qualified electors,” McGinley wrote. “Accordingly, the Voter ID Law is facially unconstitutional.” The lead plaintiff in the case, Viviette Applewhite, was a 93-year-old great-great grandmother who marched with Martin Luther King Jr. and had voted in every election for the past 50 years but did not have a driver’s license and was at risk of being disenfranchised by the new law.
So there you go. A voter ID law was challenged by someone that would have had a substantially greater burden than the average voter in obtaining an ID that qualified. Hundreds of thousands of people that had previously been eligible to vote didn't have one of the few forms of ID permitted, and only 17,000 had obtained one 2 years after the law being passed. Sounds like the voter ID law would have done what they wanted it to do. Suppress voter turnout.
If you need further evidence against any of this shit being about election security, There was this laughably transparent attempt at bullshitting people in Texas.
Breathing is burdensome. There is no non-burdensome anything. That (checks notes) Pennsylvania state trial judge applied an inane standard. If you read their whole screed, that wasn't the only ridiculous reasoning. They applied strict scrutiny to a facially neutral voter ID law. Here's another gem: "To the extent the Voter ID Law requires photo ID to identify in-person voters at the polls, there is no reasonable basis for the ID to contain an expiration date"
If that were federal court and not the Democrats' pet judge in some podunk Pennsylvania court (in an unpublished opinion) it would have been summarily vacated on appeal.
It's been a long enough century of your toadies on the courts substituting your policy preferences for legitimate voters'.
Breathing is burdensome. There is no non-burdensome anything.
The questions are whether the burdens are even for all voters and whether they are needed to actually prevent fraud.
They applied strict scrutiny to a facially neutral voter ID law.
Uh, why wouldn't strict scrutiny be the correct standard to apply to a question about voting rights? Conservatives want strict scrutiny to apply to whether or not nuns have to fill out a form stating their religious objection to their employees getting birth control covered by their insurance (even though that coverage would not be paid for by the nuns).
It's been a long enough century of your toadies on the courts substituting your policy preferences for legitimate voters'.
Ah, and here we have it. Legitimate voters are those that vote for your team, I take it?
I moved earlier this year. When I changed my Driver's license information I was asked if I wanted to change my address at the County Board of Elections. In a few days I received a letter confirming the change and the location of my new polling place. I also received a Voter's Registration card. A few days later I received a card from the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation with my new address. I have to carry that card with my license until it is time to renew it. I also had to show ID to get my COVID shots.
I also had to show ID to vote since I had moved.
What kind of ID did you have to show? In my state, Florida, our equivalent of that Voter Registration card you got the in mail would be sufficient. We can show a driver's license instead (among other government-issued photo IDs), but we are not required to show a state-issued photo ID if we have that voter registration card.
Besides, the point in that PA case, I believe, was that the 93 year old plaintiff had not moved, and had not had a driver's license in many years (if ever), and had been voting for 50 years in PA, yet she would need to go to one of the few DMV offices, deal with all the paperwork and waiting in line, to get a new state-issued photo ID just to vote when she had no other need for one.
Photo IDs like this are not a burden at all for ~95% of voters. That is not in question. But of that ~5% that don't have one of the types of IDs that Republicans have been pushing for in these states, the burden falls more on the poor and minorities. (Especially older Black people that may not have the other documentation needed now to get an ID, like a birth certificate.) If you think it is a coincidence that Republican politicians are the ones pushing for ID laws when the poor and minorities more strongly prefer Democrats, then I have some swampland down here to sell you.
Any such color-coded individuals would be *fact* witnesses.
WHEN RED NECKING GIVES YOU THE BLUES
Also, what makes you a people of color? Let's say I enjoy online notoriety as a colorful character; do I qualify? Or, to get more optically physical in the sense of sensory perception, literally speaking, what if I blush easily when called out for faulty reasoning or abundant typos? Or turn ruby reddish or even scarlet with rage, facially if not neck-wise?
Which of the above will suffice to make me a bona-fide colored by at or under law witness admittable to weigh in on ease-of-voting disputes in federal court and related disparate impacts?
I'm pink with brown mottling. {Freckles, scars, etc .} If I try to tan I turn red, temporarily. Pink's a color, right?
Who wants to bet me that if this was a union member and employee of the state that the university/bosses would have been like, "Oh, sure, you go do what you want... tell the judge hi for me!" (because of union lawyers)
Even here, the profs are going to lawyer-up. This is just an unforced error by UF.
"Who wants to bet me that if this was a union member..."
University faculty typically have a union. I'm pretty sure UF has one too.
Good to see (?) that the Republicans are trying to catch up with Democrats on crushing fundamental rights in the 21st century.
I don’t see how you draw that conclusion. UF is not a conservative school in even the most fevered imagination.
Critics of UF's actions have blamed the DeSantis administration, pointing out that the chairman of UF's Board of Trustees, Morteza Hosseini, is a DeSantis adviser. DeSantis' office has denied any involvement with UF's decision.
The 'fundamental right' to do your own thing on your employer's dime?
Or did you miss the bit about "if the professors wish to testify pro bono on their own time without using university resources, they are free to do so."
A UF medical school professor (doctor) was planning to testify against the state regarding the ban on mask mandates, and was blocked from doing so even though he would have done so pro bono. So this isn't about whether they are paid or not. It is about whether it would piss off the governor.
Way to keep ignoring the fundamental issue.
Which is what, exactly?
Right to contract and the employment agreement.
If those State employees do not like the terms they can quit.
Like I asked above, where in these professor's terms of employment does it say that they can be prevented from testifying in cases challenging state laws or policies? And what do you think of this from the article we are discussing?
...as the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education (FIRE) said in a letter to the school, the Supreme Court ruled in Lane v. Franks (2014) that "Truthful testimony under oath by a public employee outside the scope of his ordinary job duties is speech as a citizen for First Amendment purposes." In a press release, FIRE said: "It doesn't matter if the professors are paid for their labor, or if the labor is provided pro bono. They have a right to testify."
"Why I left California for Florida" I guess the answer is because you're a total jackass
Amusing to see so many supposed "libertarians" like the always verbose Ken, defend stifling free speech when that also means defending GOP legislation and politicians. These people aren't libertarians, they're Republicans and winning at any cost is their mantra.
In this case, UF, which has recently waged a campaign bragging about it's top 5 public university ranking from US News & World Report, is rightly becoming the laughing stock of the academic world and this issue is only one of the reasons. UF was also revealed to be in collusion with the Governor's top campaign contributor - also state university system board member - to get a plum tenured faculty position for his recent quack surgeon general appointment. On the hush hush, emails show the rush job on that maneuvering. The new surgeon general is not only opposed to mask and vaccine mandates, but questions the effectiveness of both. Not surprisingly he belongs to the same organization of pandemic quacks as the woman MD who thinks demon sperm have a part in illness. No, really! And UF, with an excellent medical school filled with world class MDs and scientists who know better and in fact have researched and written on the subject, now have a new member who may be using voodoo dolls instead of medicine, and all on behalf of the ignorant and scheming Governor who's every major action is part of a political campaign aimed at a an ignorant GOP base. The cowardly president - he has a history of this bowing to a Richard Spencer appearance on campus that shut down the town for a day and cost probably a $million in police and lost wages and nearly ended with yahoos from Wyoming shooting at people at bus stops, because he was afraid UF would be sued. (Funny, but Ohio State told Spencer to go f..k himself, and never heard from him again). - is now caught in a public statement that is a lie, since it repeats the falsehood that pro bono is the key to testifying, and is dragging the otherwise excellent institution through the mud puddle the state GOP has made.
Is there the ability to update this article? The university has reversed its position:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/university-changes-course-professors-may-testify-in-lawsuit/ar-AAQmBW8?ocid=entnewsntp
AP article on reversal is here:
https://apnews.com/article/elections-education-florida-voting-voting-rights-cc0aa16e9a5b3fb78e979b81db4c9a6b
Thanks for such post and please keep it up..
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