The Defense Department Shrugs Off Drone Strike That Killed 7 Children as 'Honest Mistake'
According to the Pentagon, no crimes were committed.

Pentagon investigators have rendered their judgment on a U.S. drone strike in Kabul, Afghanistan, that killed 10 people, including an aid worker and seven children: It was a regrettable goof that violated no law.
The August strike came a few days after a suicide bombing conducted by ISIS-K, the Afghanistan branch of the terrorist group ISIS. The attack killed 13 U.S. servicemembers and 170 Afghan civilians. Military leaders initially claimed that the strike took out ISIS personnel who were preparing another bombing.
Almost immediately, reports started surfacing that those killed in the attack were not ISIS members but civilians.
An in-depth investigation by The New York Times, published in mid-September, determined that a vehicle targeted in the drone strike was being driven by Zemari Ahmadi, a longtime worker for the California-based aid group Nutrition and Education International. A missile blew Ahmadi up as he was pulling into his home, killing him and members of his family.
"It's a regrettable mistake. It's an honest mistake. I understand the consequences, but it's not criminal conduct random conduct negligence," said Lt. Gen. Sami D. Said, the Air Force inspector general, at a press conference on Wednesday.
Said added that the personnel who conducted the strike were acting in a high-pressure environment and sincerely believed that the vehicle they were targeting posed an imminent threat to U.S. forces. Nevertheless, a mix of "execution errors, combined with confirmation bias and communication breakdowns," led to the botched strike and civilian casualties, per a Department of Defense press release.
The report itself is classified, so the public obviously doesn't have an opportunity to vet those conclusions for itself.
It's notable that the top military officials defended the strike, even after reports surfaced that it had ended up killing civilians, often justifying their actions on details that later turned out not to be true.
At one press conference, Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, described the attack as "righteous" and said the military had "very good intelligence that ISIS-K was preparing a specific type of vehicle at a specific type of location."
Milley also said that secondary explosions after the drone strike were evidence that it had in fact hit a vehicle laden with explosives. The Times investigation found no evidence of that second explosion, and we know now that there never was one.
Even if one takes the Defense Department at its word that while mistakes were made, everyone involved in the strike acted reasonably, that's hardly exonerative.
The military insists that its drone procedures are not enough to prevent mistaken strikes that don't kill any terrorists but do leave behind a lot of dead children.
If that is the case, the U.S. military certainly can't guarantee it won't botch another strike with similarly tragic and fatal results. That really calls into question whether we should be performing these kinds of strikes at all.
Everyone acting in good, but misplaced, faith is the most charitable explanation for the Kabul drone strike. It's hardly an acceptable one.
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Said added that the personnel who conducted the strike were acting in a high-pressure environment
The air conditioning in their control room, far from the target, was making a thumping sound.
It certainly was high-pressure. After that suicide bombing killed those Marines and Soldiers, those Generals were feeling the heat to find some usual suspects to blast into oblivion. Which is what they did.
Read elsewhere, and it's true: If Private Snuffy had ripped a burst from an M2 into that minivan, and killed everybody, Snuffy'd be pilloried. Up on charges, maybe even murder.
A general (on intelligence likely provided by the Taliban) basically says,
and nobody gets even inconvenienced.
Oh well, Afghanistan's out of the news now. Mostly. Mission accomplished.
"those Generals were feeling the heat..."
Heat no doubt coming from the Biden administration if not directly from Poopypants-in-Chief Biden.
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Only clingers and deplorables belabor unflattering events. Yesterday's news, time to move on [.org].
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Trump Escalates Killer Drone War And No One Seems To Care
There is no evidence that it's improved anyone’s security in the Horn of Africa or in the U.S.
https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-escalates-killer-drone-war-and-no-one-seems-to-care/
"lol he didn't even hit Americans." ~~O
Hilarious:
The Trump administration has significantly increased the tempo of drone strikes in a number of countries, and it has relaxed the rules governing the targeting of these strikes. The result has been an increased number of civilian casualties with even less accountability than before and no redress for the innocent people caught in the middle of our endless wars.
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Remember when Orange Hitler droned an Iranian terrorist chief and Stroozle shit his drawers and said it was literally WW3?
That was far, far worse than Biden droning kids, because orangemanbad, right Stroozle?
Hilarious.
Every president we've had for decades is a damn war criminal.
It's in the job description.
The truth of the matter is that drone strikes are counterproductive.
Yes, they did get the Iranian general Soleimani.
But just like here, every strike against a wedding, family barbecue, and farmer weeding his field Creates 20 terrorists for every collateral kill.
You can’t drone strike the way to victory if every strike creates more Terrorists than you kill.
But the bullets move at the speed of cold
Drones do as they're told
And the men go home at night and kiss the wife
And watch TV
And never see all those souls untethered floating out to sea
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"According to the Pentagon, no crimes were committed."
Is Britschgi disputing this?
Does Britschgi think someone should be criminally prosecuted for collateral damage?
Is this the first time Britschgi has read the term mens rea or thought about what it means?
Mens rea doesn't apply to me when I'm in front of a judge. Why should government actors dealing in death get to enjoy it?
Tradition.
When you blow up a carload of kids, it doesn't matter if you thought you were blowing up a carload of bad guys. The person pulling the trigger/dropping the bomb/ordering the drone strike is still responsible for the damages they cause. There was no fleeing suspect and no imminent danger and no accidental collateral damage. A guy was pulling up to his house (not the airport) with a carload of water. It's manslaughter or at least reckless endangerment, if not murder.
Are you being serious?
Because you're responsible for the damage you cause, doesn't mean you're criminally responsible.
Even if you want to convict someone of criminal negligence, you need to prove to this juror that the defendant intentionally neglected to do something that cost the victim his life.
I don't believe that's what happened here by any stretch. Regardless of whether you want to argue that they were purposely trying to kill innocent bystanders or that they were intentionally disregarding the lives of innocent bystanders, there's no way to establish mens rea in a criminal court--with a beyond a reasonable doubt standard. The is absolute reasonable doubt regarding their intentions.
That doesn't mean they aren't responsible for what they did, and it doesn't mean what they didn't wasn't wrong. It just means that criminal charges probably aren't warranted as anything other than show trial.
Yup. That's what blood money is for.
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/blood-money-afghanistans-reparations-files/
There is such a thing as criminal negligence, and I'd put it to you that - knowing what we know now about how haphazardly Obama approached the job of blowing up random Middle Easterners and declaring them to be enemy combatants after the fact - any higher-ups relying on military "intelligence" to identify their targets might as well be flipping a coin as to whether people should live or die. There's no passing the buck on this one, you can't excuse the fuck-up on some "well, to the best of our knowledge" bullshit when we know goddamn well you know goddamn well you've got the banjo-playing kid from Deliverance as your top military advisor on these drone strikes. Face it, you had no fucking idea whether or not this vehicle was a threat.
"There is such a thing as criminal negligence"
And I addressed that specifically.
"knowing what we know now about how haphazardly Obama"
You are so full of shit and you sound like Glenn Greenwald. Trump was worse than Obama. Did you even know that?
Well, evidence is impressively presented here.
Kinda depends on who you're trying to blame. The guy who launched the missile, the team that put together the intelligence, the guy who signed off on the intelligence or the politician demanding a "win". To me the guy in charge of signing off on the intelligence is most at fault, he may not have fucked up directly but it's his command and his rules to get it right.
It's murder.
And I guarantee you there are literally dozen of cases like this that nobody hears about. Hell if you go back a few years, probably hundreds.
Even a rag like HuffPo reported on the high percentage of drone deaths beck under Obama.
USA = Murder, Inc.
I'm kinda with you on this. War is messy, it's brutal, and it's very possible that making the right decision according to all the information you have available at the time will result in the death of civilian bystanders. It's terrible and tragic because war is terrible and tragic, and the Pentagon's admitting that by flatly claiming that it was regrettable but not negligent.
War kills kids, war kills civilians, even the 'good guys' trying to actually be good and doing their best to prevent it kill kids in war. Because it's fucking war.
Here's the lesson: when deciding whether to go to war or support politicians who want to go to war (or drone strike or drop bombs for that matter), ask whether it's worth killing kids over. Because it'll happen, and willfully pretending it's not is part of how we get 20 year wars.
Ot we could just not get into illegal wars.
And try Biden, Trump, Obama, both Bushes, and Clinton at the Hague and have those still alive executed. Just use the Nuremberg trial standards and they are all convicted.
And Bush gets to go first.
Did you expect anything different?
The pressure they were under was "do something! - NOW!" from higher echelons. Maybe the operators didn't do anything wrong, but the highers need to be canned and jailed.
They fired on a target based on intel from the professional, competent Taliban, who are in no way our enemy and who long for international recognition as a partner in peace.
Sarcasm aside, they knew very early on that they didn't hit a terror target, but the kept hyping it as a success. They kept on talking about secondary explosions from the target, even when sources outside the Pentagon were saying the damage in the area was consistent with a hellfire warhead, and nothing more.
We had demonstrated our commitment to decolonialism and multiculturalism by leaving Afghanistan to the benighted culture of the Taliban when the rethuglican wingnuts demanded competence in the withdrawl so it's really their fault.
This is where the NYT are traitors.
Running around in enemy territory to prove their own narrative and contradicting the US government about a war action is aiding and abetting a foreign power.
The NYT was so keen to make the US look bad, I have no doubt that they’d help manufacture evidence to contradict the pentagon, if needed.
Maybe they did.
It’s not like the IG for the USAF was able to visit Afghanistan to personally inspect the drone’s missile strike zone. No, he’d have to rely on the NYT report, written in part by Taliban sympathizers.
The USA doesn't need the cat-box liner that is the NYT to look bad - it does that on its own.
The Times doesn't print anything the intelligence community doesn't want it to print.
It is pure government/MIC propaganda.
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Rule number one in war; good young men die.
Rule number two in war; doctors can't change rule number one.
(some M*A*S*H episode from a long long time ago)
A single piece of historical perspective:
The bombing of Dresden was a British-American aerial bombing attack on the city of Dresden, the capital of the German state of Saxony, during World War II. In four raids between 13 and 15 February 1945, 722 heavy bombers of the British Royal Air Force (RAF) and 527 of the United States Army Air Forces (USAAF) dropped more than 3,900 tons of high-explosive bombs and incendiary devices on the city.[1] The bombing and the resulting firestorm destroyed more than 1,600 acres (6.5 km2) of the city centre.[2] An estimated 22,700[3] to 25,000[4] people were killed.
Spoke with a woman born there under socialist rule. She claimed that there were military targets there and the Allies had military justification for the raid. I still see this as “spiking the ball.”
See what you will.
A 1953 United States Air Force report defended the operation as the justified bombing of a strategic target, which they noted was a major rail transport and communication centre, housing 110 factories and 50,000 workers in support of the German war effort.
By that point in WW2 they had largely run out of military and industrial targets; but they still had missions to fly.
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Mr. Buttplug taught me to shrug off 7 dead children
They would have talked about what he did to them.
Dead victims don’t talk to sexual crime investigators.
This is a war crime. The President said, “The buck stops here” and he should be held accountable. Policies were followed is not an excuse.
No, it isn't. As long as it was a fuckup rather than deliberately targeting civilians, it's merely war.
Correct.
The circumstances that led to it happening are on SleepyJoe and his horribly fucked up withdrawal.
He should pay a political price, but he wont. Because, as this very article demonstrates, nobody not already overtly opposed to him is willing to hold him to account for it.
IOW add Britches to the list of those at least partially responsible.
We were not at war with the Afghani people.
May this never happen to you because, “Sorry about your kids. Wrong target. It is what it is. We will review our procedures. And there may be political fallout.” will be inadequate.
We don't need to be at war "with the Afghani people", we merely need to be at war with someone in the area. And we were still at war, in that we still had military forces in the area who had been recently attacked.
We should have been out of Afghanistan ten years earlier, but that doesn't change the fact that we were still at war when this fuckup happened. War gave the language "FUBAR" and "SNAFU" for a reason. An actual "war crime" requires a whole other level of intention.
Yes. Yes we do. This is part of why this is a war crime. The war on drugs is in your area. The war on crime is in your area. The war on poverty is in your area. You’d be totes ok if your kids were “collateral damage” in any of these? War was not formally declared in the case of Afghanistan either. It should be to avoid this military adventurism.
Accepting and minimizing the deaths of innocent kids because…stuff happens is pathological. It is not acceptable. Without a fair war crime trial, family members of the dead children do not have justice. And they may seek it out. If they do something in your area, can we just chalk it up to SNAFU and FUBAR?
The sooner we call these out and respond to these things as what they are, the less chance we have in having to deal with them in the future. There will be more unnecessary military adventures resulting in more unnecessary loss of life. But as long as it is just a mere
gooktowelhead, then totes ok.Come back and talk when you're an actual adult willing to deal with the real world. Including the fact that 1) neither names nor formal declarations define war, and 2) a "war crime" is something worse than the horrors and injustices of the normal conduct of war.
Seriously, the whole distinction between "war" and "peace" is that acts of war would be crimes in any other circumstance than war. But declaring all acts of war "war crimes" isn't going to do one damn thing to make "unnecessary military adventures" rarer; it's just going convince people to ignore actual war crimes.
We never should have gone into Afghanistan to begin with. Or Iraq. Or Syria.
This country is a fucking joke, run on behalf of the globalists.
This. If you imagine that wars are ever fought without an astonishing level of fuckuppery, you are breathtakingly naive. Remember that scene in "From Here to Eternity," where the soldiers at Schofield Barracks are responding to the Pearl Harbor attack, and they cheer heartily when they figure out the anti-aircraft gun well enough to shoot down a plane, but realize in horror a moment later than it was American? That sort of thing happens all the time (and I believe that the incident in the movie is based on something that actually happened on December 7).
Do you mean the war that was over? Tell me how this is different from drone striking a suspected terrorist in downtown USA and getting ot wrong.
War sucks. It's why we should avoid doing it.
Apocalypse Now Redux is now on Netflix.
Dennis Hopper did a great job playing himself.
>>Zemari Ahmadi
they should have painted him as a secret terrorist and claimed victory.
"Did I do that? Hee-hee-hee-hee!" snort snort
7 clumps of cells.
LET'S GO MILLEY!
Believe what you want. You’ll never get the truth if it damages the illusion of the US being the “good guys”.
Do you think the opening scene in this video of a US attack on unarmed Iraqis ever made the evening news?
http://johnpilger.com/videos/the-war-you-dont-see
Maybe it never happened.
Ashli Babbitt defense?
Those unarmed kids probably looked dangerous.
Shoot first and don't worry, because the Democratic Party owns or is married to most of the American media, and they'll bury the story on page 3.
Thankfully we got the full story from Reason through the series of stories they wrote on this.
Hey the only time that media praised Trump was when he was shooting missiles.
It's the killing that counts, not who's doing it.
MIC CEOs have yacht payments too, you know.
This should be considered at least a crime against humanity. If this were an isolated incident I might be inclined to call it an honest mistake, but this is simply the latest mass killing of civilians by US drones in a long string of such killing, starting with Bush administration and continuing unabated in every administration since. Most people are aware there have been previous incidents but are not aware of how many. Because the DoD keeps the details of its mistakes classified, only estimates are available. In just the pursuit of Ayman Al-Zawahiri in numerous drone strikes the CIA killed (estimated) 76 children and 29 adults. The never got Zawahiri, they missed every time and hit civilians. In drone strikes in just Pakistan and Yemen over 250 children have been killed. American policy amounts to machine-gunning a playground full of kids on the chance there might be a bad guy hiding behind the swings or the slide.
I’d be fine with our military dropping a MOAB on a playground, if one asshole was hiding there.
It’s about time we teach the enemy that hiding behind human shields won’t work. Do it a few times and they’ll learn to fight like men, not cowards.
Do it a few times and maybe they’ll stop hanging around civilians, which is the cause of so many civilian deaths.
You do realize that killing people to make a political statement is terrorism don’t you?
Isn’t it bad enough that our armies are fighting wars of aggression on their land?
This is why they are murdering Assange in public, because he exposed their war crimes, and because the boutique left perceives him as having damaged Killary's election.
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