Beware People Trying to Dismiss Jack Dorsey's Inflation Analysis as Disinformation
A good way to know you’re living through high inflation is when you’re discouraged from talking about it.

I hope you squirreled away that cool 16 cents you saved on your Fourth of July barbeque this year. Across the board, prices seem to be going up, up, up.
Gas is more expensive (up 42.7 percent). Cars and trucks, too (up 7.6 percent for new and 31.9 percent (!) for used). Your wallet is surely feeling the burn at the grocery store (up 3 percent). Meat, in particular, is getting really expensive (up 10.5 percent), to the sure delight of the anti-animal food crusaders out there. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics' official measure of the Consumer Price Index (CPI), pretty much everything is more expensive across the board: 5.4 percent more expensive when compared to last year, according to government bean counters.
Watch how you talk about this seeming inflation online, though. And watch what you read, too.
We know we need to be on the lookout for wrecking misinformation when it comes to our health, our elections, and our political class's networking equipment. Now we can add our economy to the mix. According to some experts, talking about rising prices could be extremely dangerous to our democracy.
This problematic price commentary is emanating from some interesting quarters: namely, Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey, whose platform is among the goodest of boys in sniffing out and slapping warning labels on dangerous content like obituaries and reports on errant laptops.
Dorsey recently took to his microblogging platform to offer some thoughts on what the officials have assured us is transitory inflation. The Bitcoin aficionado and also-CEO of payment platform Square tweeted: "Hyperinflation is going to change everything. It's happening." He got an assist from fellow very online tech billionaire Elon Musk who agreed that "short-term we are seeing strong inflationary pressure."
Plenty of experts jumped in to fact check him. Hyperinflation, they say, is a rare and specific event involving periods of 50 percent inflation or higher within one month that has only occurred a few times in history. We all know about the Weimar Republic and Zimbabwe. Actually, the United States had a few brushes with almost or basically hyperinflationary events following the Revolutionary and Civil Wars—remember those continentals from high school history? But we're far from hyperinflationary, our beloved and trusted experts say. And while we're on the subject, maybe we need more inflation anyway.
Okay, maybe "hyperinflation" was a little dramatic. Let he who has never exaggerated on social media for effect cast the first stone. But most people got the picture: young Americans on Twitter are about to experience an inflationary episode unlike anything they've seen.
The criticism went beyond merely correcting someone's usage of a technical economic concept. For some, this should be a bannable offense.
Notably, a writer for WIRED clucked that "like 'divorce' in a marriage"—or, for the season, like "Beetlejuice" in a haunted Connecticut country home—"this word @jack" should not be uttered unless you're trying to bring it into being." Shame on him. "How insanely reckless to tweet this. Immoral. Jack, ban thyself."
Immoral! Are inflation hawks the new hate speakers now?
It is true that expectations do affect behavior and therefore prices. But any brouhaha Dorsey could stir up with his monetary shitpost obviously pales in comparison to the potent macroeconomics factors—spending and printing bonanzas, high debt overhangs, lockdown policies, and the current situation with the supply chain, to name a few—that are truly driving the "transitory" inflation that our widely respected experts do admit.
What is truly reckless is the suggestion that people should be scared to talk about their experience with everyday prices or risk reprisals. Ironically, censoring talk about rising prices is exactly what you'd expect to see in a high inflationary or hyperinflationary scenario.
Argentina, which has struggled with persistently high levels of inflation, reported official price numbers that were so unbelievable that independent economists started publishing their own. The government moved to punish anyone who deviated from the official narrative on inflation with fines of $120,000.
When things get really bad, the government simply stops publishing price data at all. This is what happened in Venezuela, whose central bank merely stayed mum when monthly inflation started to shoot up into the double-digit zone. Zimbabwe, a country almost synonymous with hyperinflation, again recently stopped reporting inflation data.
Thankfully, we're not quite at the point where the government is pulling down price data and rounding up dissidents. We're just hounding rich guys with FU money and the powers of platform censorship to STFU about inflation and stop other people from talking about it too. At least he didn't pull the tweet down or apologize. But if Jack Dorsey can't talk about rising prices on Twitter without major controversy, what hope do plebs like us have?
Hopefully Dorsey's convictions will be strong enough to head off his Trust and Safety Team's polite suggestions to start fact-checking and labeling inflation claims like his. He feels strongly about monetary sovereignty; it's like his one thing. But he's clashed with them publicly before and got overruled. Maybe Twitter gets a phone call strongly encouraging them to start countering economic misinformation. And Twitter is just one platform. Others could very well start massaging opinions on rising prices with their own bags of tricks. We can't count on centralized platforms to protect our abilities to speak freely about inflation.
It's good to start planning ahead. The technologist Balaji Srinivasan has started a $100k bounty for a censorship-resistant inflation dashboard that could accurately report prices through future monetary headwinds. It would be decentralized, which means that anyone could contribute price data and no one could shut it down or remove information that certain people don't like. If built, we won't have to fear that the government can easily snuff out independent economic data. Government economists could pull down whatever datasets they usually maintain, as states often do in inflationary events. This kind of system would provide a much-needed private backup.
The massaging of public opinion in response to perceived government failures has by now become something of a meme. First, it's not happening. Then, it's happening, but only temporarily. Then it's happening because of Bad People and you'd better not contribute. Finally, it's happening to you, and that's A Good Thing. Depending on where you look, you can find some version of all of these narratives.
But rising prices affects everyone in a very immediate and material way, unlike some other political footballs. And it's often a key procyclical indicator of establishment collapse. The stakes here are high, so the attempted controls on discourse may be more desperate. Keep an eye out.
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Inflation is one of those things people don't need to be told is happening. But apparently it's one of those things where they need to be told not to believe their lying eyes.
All the outlets went from calling it transitory to blaming us for being greedy and expecting full shelves.
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It's not inflation. It's just the prices for everything we need to buy in ordinary life going up.
"A good way to know you’re living through high inflation is when you’re discouraged from talking about it."
On the contrary, I believe it's useful economic analysis to spam HAPERINFLATION in an attempt to shut down discussion whenever someone mentions the i-word. Mr. Buttplug taught me that approach. Like he taught me to spam SLOPPY PULLOUT when someone suggests Biden's handling of Afghanistan was less than brilliant.
#DefendBidenAtAllCosts
HAPERINFLATION
That's when your spittin' tobacco goes up 1o cents a pouch.
Are you as disappointed as I am in The New York Times for joining wingnut.com by pretending the i-word is even worth mentioning?
Tell us about the price increase of the stain remover you buy for your clown suit.
He's probably whining about the increased cost of kiddie-porn.
Nah. He gets it free from the dark web.
The only inflation he acknowledges is his own when Sesame Street comes on the tv.
I hear Buttplug has a platinum level subscription to the Disney channel and Nick Jr.
turd lies. turd always lies. turd is a pathological liar lacking the mental equipment to remember what lie he told even minutes ago, and certainly nowhere near intelligent enough to know the rest of us understand that he'd full of shit.
If turd posts something that isn't a lie, it's a mistake on his part.
turd lies; it's all he does.
Is the cost of your kiddie porn holding steady, or has that gone up too?
As usual, the Bee was way ahead of Reason:
https://babylonbee.com/news/psaki-points-out-that-inflation-doesnt-matter-since-there-are-no-goods-to-purchase-anyway
Wow. That article is pure art. Thank you Babylon Bee for managing to communicate exactly what is wrong with our current government via satire.
Inflation is a tax on income (wage) earners. It is no secret that for us to live in the type of Nordic Social Democracy that Bernie Sanders wants to sell us, taxes will need to be raised on the middle, and lower middle classes. There isn't enough money among the rich to provide that kind of cradle to grave mediocrity.
But the Left can't sell such tax hikes to the middle quintiles, so instead they will tax them through inflation. Dorsey is going to be fine. Most of his money is in assets (stock) that retains its value in the face of a devalued dollar. The same is true for owners of land, and other assets.
You can go look at this yourself- wtfhappenedin1971.com. You can see right there. When the US fully decoupled itself from the Gold Standard, allowing wanton deflation of the dollar, the Income Inequality gap began growing and never looked back. Despite rising productivity, the gains of the average worker eroded away with inflation, being locked up in hard assets like stock and real estate.
For all her feather-not-dot craziness, Elizabeth Warren's call for wealth taxes is attempting to deal with these symptoms through her catastrophic wealth taxes. The real way to reduce the wealth gap is to get the country back onto a sane inflationary track that doesn't consistently devalue wage-workers' pay. Instead, we are going to get more and more of the same, with idiots like SPB telling us that transitory inflation is just periodic rain on our leg, not the golden showers of the elites.
Not quite. Inflation is a tax on savers. If you immediately spend 100% of what you earn, inflation is no big deal. Inflation is a way of transferring wealth from lenders to current debt holders by making the future value of debt repayments smaller. Of course, doing so drives inflation in lending contracts but that only hurts future borrowers. The current crop of deadbeats make out like bandits.
The only other quibble with your comment that I'd offer is the historical perspective that inflation is the exception, not the norm. Before we switched to fiat currency, prices gradually de-flated over time (all else being held equal).
" Inflation is a tax on savers."
It's a tax on people who stuff cash under their mattress.
It's not a tax on people who invest.
That depends on what you invest in. If you invest in bonds (that is, debt obligations), it's a tax on you. If you invest in gold or other commodities, inflation works against you, too.
If you invest only in stocks, inflation can be neutral on average. Some stocks benefit, others suffer. The market in total roughly averages out. But nobody keeps 100% of their money solely in stocks. Not only is that poor diversification, it's unrealistically illiquid. Everybody with enough money to invest in stocks also keeps at least some money in more liquid assets - and those savings are entirely hurt by inflation.
"those savings are entirely hurt by inflation."
Only in the short term. bond interest rates adjust.
And given that you know inflation is coming, unlike Joe Biden, you can shift your investments out of cash equivalents.
There were several plausible rebuttals to my argument. That was not one of them. Bonds are debt instruments - promises of defined future benefits in exchange for current payments. Inflation reduces the value of those future benefits, devaluing the bond. The fact that bonds issued in the future does not change the fact that you've devalued all the bonds already issued.
Likewise, the fact that mortgage rates and every other loan instrument rate will go up does not change the fact that the existing debt-holders are penalized by inflation while existing debtors are rewarded.
And even though I know that inflation is coming, there's only so much I can switch out of cash equivalents. The need to maintain liquidity means I (and you and everyone else) will always be exposed to at least some inflation risk.
I can't help but wonder if one might put "investing" in its own unique category outside of saving. If I stuff $2 in my mattress, ten years from now I'll have $2. It may not buy what $2 did ten years ago (inflation) but I have $2.
If I invest the $2, in ten years I might have $10, but I might also have $0.
And "investment" is a purchase of an asset in the hopes that the asset will grow in value, allowing you to sell it at a later time for an increased price. But that asset could not only fail to yield any gains, it could even fail utterly, leaving the purchaser (investor) with nothing.
Just idle thoughts.
And "investment" is a purchase of an asset in the hopes that the asset will grow in value, allowing you to sell it at a later time for an increased price.
That is speculation. Investment is the purchase or improvement of an asset that allows you to generate increased income from that asset.
Assumed increased income from an asset is speculation that the increased income will manifest itself. All investment is speculation. Some is just safer than others.
All investment is speculation.
'PASSIVE investment' involves some speculation. 'Active (or real) investment' requires some element of control over the asset itself not merely some control over the timing of buying/selling it.
Investment, the word, dates back to the financing of trade and colonial ventures (East India Company, Virginia, etc). The people were called adventurers and the money they put in was an investment.
Speculation, applied to finance, dates to the buying and selling of shares of joint-stock companies on a stock exchange. More specifically to the aftermath of various frauds and bubbles where the word 'speculation' (previously a philosophy term) was used to pretty it all up from the horse racing, gambling, and fraud terms.
If finance has succeeded in calling 'speculation' 'investment', it's not that different from politicians succeeding in calling 'spending' 'investment'.
"I can't help but wonder if one might put "investing" in its own unique category outside of saving. "
Nope. A mattress is merely an investment vehicle with an interest rate of 0.
I do agree that it's important to distinguish between money you need "now" and money you need in 10 or 20 years.
Money you need in 10 or 20 years should be 100% in stocks. Pick stocks of companies with pricing power.
Money you need "now" should be liquid.
If you are living pay check to pay check you are getting screwed. But THAT'S THE POINT. This is how we pay for "free stuff."
"I can't help but wonder if one might put "investing" in its own unique category outside of saving. "
Nope. A mattress is merely an investment vehicle with an interest rate of 0.
I disagree. I'm defining "investment" as something which is speculative. I'm guessing JFree and I have a differing opinion on what is "speculative", but there's really an effective zero speculation on the mattress-- beyond the fact that you're speculating that the house doesn't burn down or your neighbor doesn't steal the $2.
Distinction without a difference. You are pointing to the ends of the risk-reward curve and trying to treat them as fundamentally different things rather than as points on the spectrum.
- Your $2 in the mattress is an example of very low risk (fire and theft) matched to zero reward.
- You could give me the $2 to deposit in my bank in exchange for a quarter-percent interest. Since the deposit is insured, that's still nearly no risk - and nearly no reward.
- You could buy a bond from me for $2. The bond guarantees future fixed payments. It's not FDIC-insured but if I'm a big, established company, that's low risk - and low reward.
- If my company is newer, there's more risk - and you'll rightly insist on higher future payments to cover that risk.
- The spectrum continues up into stocks which can be very risk and carry high potential reward.
At some level, they are all "speculative". It's just a measure of degree.
You make a convincing argument, so then Bubba's original statement that I responded to:
It's a tax on people who stuff cash under their mattress.
It's not a tax on people who invest.
It's a tax on people who invest unwisely.
I can't help but wonder if one might put "investing" in its own unique category outside of saving
The two are different. Saving is the act of deferring current consumption in order to set aside money for the future. Investing is the act of deploying money (often someone else's savings) into an asset to generate a return. Those often occur in two totally different channels. Savers are always a principal. Investors are sometimes an agent and sometimes a principal.
Keynes only big insight was that savings /= investment. The linkages can break - in which case recessions can be increasingly unstable rather than necessarily self-correcting.
More to the point, it discourages people from hiding assets from the government. Their unrealized capital gains wealth tax, for instance, would of course only start with the billionaires, but would cover millionaires within a decade, and everybody not on welfare within another decade. The only way to hide your assets would be cash, gold, contraband, etc, where it will be ravaged by inflation.
Well, that's an exaggeration of course. But it's one of their factors, I am sure.
"Inflation is a tax on savers."
It is a tax on wage earners versus those who earn their money through ownership of assets.
The damage to a wage earner is as follows: They get a salary and over the next year, they take a pay cut as their salary is eroded away by inflation. Because a substantial amount of their ability to pay rent depends on working tomorrow (for the eroding salary) a significant amount of their money (when saved) goes into a bank account, where it is further eroded away.
It is only by converting dollars where possible into an asset that you protect yourself from inflation.
"The only other quibble with your comment that I'd offer is the historical perspective that inflation is the exception, not the norm."
How is that a quibble? I literally point to wtfhappenedin1971.com
This is wrong. You may be assuming the relevant owned assets are not being affected by inflation. It is generally true that the same inflation rate is a higher "tax" on (non-income) savers than it is on (non-saving) earners. This is because most savers in a given country are saving their wealth in assets denominated by the inflating currency - assets which are likely suffering comparable diminution in value as the currency. If the asset is a stock, they're likely suffering a large proportion of the inflation rate applied to their principal, invested wealth, let alone if it's a government bond. If the asset is gold bullion, maybe they're not, quite possibly the gold is appreciating in nominal value at least in line with the inflation rate, due to that inflation.
And because the principal of most savers exceeds the compared wages in the (annual?) time period you're considering, the effect of inflation, the "tax rate" is higher on the saver than the earner.
It's not to say inflation isn't also a "tax" on a wage earner, it's just that such an effect is smaller than the inflation's effect on the substantial whole of the comparison saver's wealth.
And an additional factor shrinking the effect of inflation on "wages" is that you have to measure it from a reference point, one that's likely close in time since there aren't many multiyear employment contracts these days, e.g., they said they'd pay you 100k this year, but 100k is inflation rate % less valuable than it was last year. So you lost 100k*inflation rate wealth to inflation in this year. That's a whole lot less than the loss in value of Grandpa's mattress of cash, which lost total value * inflation rate.
Remember, keynesian economics say that having no savings is an ideal way to run an economy. They all think this will lead to good things. Somehow.
Bingo. Inflation is the mechanism by which we force the lower and middle classes to pay for all the free shit they vote for.
Bring it on.
cradle to grave mediocrity
Well done sir
My liberal little brother and I were talking about this the other day. We'd noticed recently that anything worth buying will be at least twenty bucks now days. It adds up quick.
There may be inflation, but the examples of cars, gas, meat prices going up might well not be inflation, but supply chain problems.
Technically, inflation is a _general_ rise in prices caused by increase in money supply. At least if you agree with Milton Friedman (which I do).
Mike's failing effort at whistling past that graveyard.
I can't actually understand what he's trying to pull here.
From what I understand he's saying that the problem isn't inflation, but inflation caused by the things that traditionally cause inflation.
I wonder if he hit his head or something?
I'm seeing a general rise in prices. You're not?
Liar fight!
I’m not sure. There are so many specific rises in prices that have possible explanations related to COVID, I’m not sure what I’m seeing yet.
Everyone on the planet - "Woah, inflation"
White Mike frantically flipping through Act Blue talking points - "I’m not sure what I’m seeing yet"
It also doesn’t help that we’ve increased our national debt by over 25% in less than two years. Almost entirely by inflating our currency supply. Did you really not see that as leading to massive inflation?
You are correct that inflation is a general rise in prices. It could be caused by an increase in the money supply but Friedman never said that was the only possible cause of inflation.
You are also correct that a few examples of rising prices might not be evidence of inflation - but the aggregate measures all support the spot examples used in the example. The evidence is controvertible - we are in an inflationary period.
What did Friedman mean then when he said: "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon in the sense that it is and can be produced only by a more rapid increase in the quantity of money than in output."
I tend to agree. The price increases due to the supply chain bottlenecks are unlikely to be inflationary unless the bottlenecks/shortages themselves increase demand over the long term. It might happen - but more likely, the more they scramble for resources the more likely they are to incur debt that will last after the supply chain fixes itself. And paying back the debt load that's left will be deflationary not inflationary.
censorship-resistant inflation dashboard
Nice album name.
so is Nice Album Name.
I played in a band back in the 80s called Nice Album Name. We cut a record called censorship resistant inflation dashboard. Good times.
It really is amazing the amount of pure gaslighting and full on lying based on pure tribal politics that occurs in our society nowadays.
Did Dorsey and his in-house Twitter lawyer ever follow-up with Rogan about the accounts they were censoring that they were claiming was banned by algorithm despite Rogan pointing out blatant proof they were targeting accounts they personally disagreed with?
Who cares. Twitter is a private corporation, most Americans don’t use it, and nobody on God’s green earth _needs_ to communicate by sending out little 280-character web site posts.
Dummy
Hattori Hanzo - "Did the Coke CEO and his in-house Twitter lawyer ever follow-up with Rogan about allegations they were pissing in the mixture for laughs?"
White Mike - "Who cares, muh pRivAtE c0mpaNy".
Twitter doesn’t follow up. They only promise to follow up in order to continue to get away with their behavior for a while longer.
https://thefederalist.com/2021/10/27/my-week-in-twitter-jail-shows-how-jack-dorsey-lies-to-protect-leftist-propaganda/
turd hardest hit.
"Hyperinflation is going to change everything. It's happening."
Those of us here in the comments have been warning about impending hyperinflation since early last year, when we noticed governments, corporations and assorted rich people worldwide borrowing unprecedented amounts.
When international corporations and billionaires are suddenly borrowing trillions and plowing it all into things like land and infrastructure, you know something is up.
BTC on election day: $15k
BTC today: $63k
"Hyperinflation" is hyper-hype. Beware listening to anyone who tells you that you must believe in predictions of the future or that you must listen to hyperbolic "warnings". No one knows the future, and warnings are just suggestions that can be heeded or ignored.
Reason continues to lose its way. Hyperbolic warnings are not useful to anyone using genuine reasoning.
Thanks for the insight, Tom Perez.
no clue who that is
You should go ahead and panic and move into a bunker.
"no clue who that is"
Cripes... I should have guessed from the biting intellect displayed in your first post, you probably wouldn't. He's more behind the scenes of all your favorite CNN shows, rather than up front with the talent.
It's easy to notice that your weekly grocery bill is going up.
It's harder to blame specific items. For example, it seems like meat has the same price tags, it's just that the sales aren't as good.
Americans just need to buy more TVs to drive down inflation stats!
delicious! and when they came for Jack Dorsey I didn't give a fuck because I'm not a billionaire sociopath and I shower
So the government doesn't own any companies, like Twitter and Facebook, they just tell them what to do.
"Fascism is a political system in which the state exercises complete control over economics and society."
Well then, this isn't fascism because the state only controls energy, education, healthcare, transportation, if you can go out in public, how many people you can have over for dinner - - - - - -
Your own eyes deceive you! Trust what Big Brother tells you.
Notably, a writer for WIRED clucked that "like 'divorce' in a marriage"—or, for the season, like "Beetlejuice" in a haunted Connecticut country home—"this word @jack" should not be uttered unless you're trying to bring it into being." Shame on him. "How insanely reckless to tweet this. Immoral. Jack, ban thyself."
So essentially Jack Dorsey got a small taste of his own medicine and in particular, that anything which even tangentially criticizes the president, even by way of pointing out the ugly truth about economic conditions gets you the righteous fury of the Gatekeepers of the First Amendment.
Jack, the Civil War called and wants its beard back.
Nardz approves.
His hyperinflation comment was a bit dramatic. Given that he is CEO of Twitter and Square - and that those companies have significant amounts of money in cash/near cash reserves - seems like he is failing to meet his fiduciary responsibility by not moving that money in to instruments that would offer better protection against hyperinflation - if he really thought we were about to experience actual hyperinflation (which we're not). I would tell all his employees to ask him for massive raises - if he really thinks hyperinflation is near.
In 1923 clever German business persons could borrow heavily early in the cycle, buy properties and pay off their debts in paper which was essentially worthless. Farmers, who produced something of intrinsic value also did well. Less clever Germans who relied on savings, wages, rents, pensions etc fared worse.
From the Great Depression
To the Great Recession
To the Great Hyper-inflation
All brought to you by the treasonous Nazi (National Socialist)-Regime's compulsive desire to conquer and consume the wealth of the USA. Within minutes of swearing the oath....
“I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”
Sick, Criminalistic Liars...
Talking about the country's problems is actually good for a democracy, but a great threat to the Dictatorship we are now enduring.
ps, Thank you Reason for your staunch support during the election and your soft selling the problems so far for the dictator. (sarc)
Maybe Reason is waking up!
I used to visit this site from time to time to see what inflation was according to the fed. gov.s 1980 method of calculating it-
https://www.shadowstats.com/
Not long ago, that information became unavailable.
Hyperinflation only occurs when debt is denominated in someone elses currency. US debt is all denominated in dollars. As such we will not have hyperinflation.
Sure, sure; Just because the Nazi-Regime stuffed the USD supply 100x the Production and it now costs 100x more for everything doesn't mean it's "Hyperinflation"........ because the rest of the trading world of USD's is getting hyper-inflated also.
You have an incomplete but spots of honest claim. If it wasn't for the USD being the international petro-dollar and growing automation the USA would have already been Conquered and Consumed by it's Nazi-Regime in D.C.