Dune Is an Epic Love Letter to Classic Science Fiction
This is Denis Villeneuve's movie, but it's fully Frank Herbert's Dune.

For Hollywood, it is a golden age of intellectual property, which is to say it is a golden age of adaptation. Seemingly every beloved genre story from the last century has been optioned and auctioned, put into development, and often produced with lavish budgets and production in hopes that this old favorite will become the next Game of Thrones, Walking Dead, or, if one is really dreaming big—and who in Hollywood isn't?—Star Wars or Marvel Cinematic Universe. Hollywood's hit-makers have dug deep into the post-war canon of beloved adolescent fantasies: If someone in America was ever obsessed with a story as a 12-year-old, it's probably being made into a movie or TV show right now.
If there is something missing from this bounty of adaptable IP, it's classic science fiction. Although there have been scattered attempts to adapt the Golden Age masters—Isaac Asimov, Robert Heinlein, Frederick Pohl, Arthur C. Clarke—and their many literary successors in the half century since Stanley Kubrick's 2001: A Space Odyssey, few of these efforts have made much impact. (Remember Will Smith's I, Robot? That's what I thought.)
This has been a disappointment to me, personally. For as much as I love Batman and Han Solo and black-and-white zombie comics and am genuinely thrilled to finally see Iron Man cross paths with Spider-Man on the big screen, I grew up reading classic and contemporary science fiction—which meant I grew up imagining worlds and stories that have largely been absent from the movies.
Part of the problem is that these sci-fi stories tend to be challenging to adapt: They operate at a level of scale and socio-scientific complexity that is difficult to fit into the demands of a mainstream feature-film format, or even a prestige TV series. Classic sci-fi is thinky, intricate, idiosyncratic, and sprawling in a way that so far has largely resisted successful big-screen treatment. The best of it is almost too big for the big screen.
Case in point: Frank Herbert's Dune. The 1965 novel was a trippy, anti-colonialist, Middle Eastern-philic, 188,000-word saga of economics, politics, and pre-contemprary environmentalism, in which extended sequences revolved around board-room like discussions of supply chain logistics, industrial production, and obscure imperial rivalries between corporation-like families with long fictional histories. Also, there were psychics, witches, skyscraper-sized sandworms with Sarlaac-like orifices, and spice melange, a natural resource that powered interstellar space travel, extended life, and expanded your mind. It was Lawrence of Arabia, but in a psychokinetic future-verse of giant mouth-monsters where oil was also LSD. How in the hell do you put all that on screen?
In the 1970s, director Alejandro Jodorowsky, a noted purveyor of hippie-friendly cinematic psychedelia, worked up an adaptation that never got made. Later in the decade, some of Herbert's ideas found their way into George Lucas's Star Wars films, but in a more conventional, pulpy package. (The wonky trade disputes would have to wait for his prequels.)
In the 1980s, David Lynch, the weirdo dreamwizard behind Eraserhead, brought the book to the screen in an occasionally interesting, largely incoherent, frequently cheap-looking film that mostly served to reinforce how difficult the project was.
Now, 35 years later, Dune is back on the big screen courtesy of director Denis Villeneuve's big-budget adaptation, which, after a nearly year-long delay, is finally in theaters.
And so it is with a combination of joy and relief that I want to tell you: Villeneuve's Dune is the real deal. It is a love letter to a science fiction classic, and, in a way, to all the classics of science fiction. It is a no-compromises future-fantasy epic that operates at a scale I've never quite seen before. I've already bought tickets to see it again.
Villeneuve has brought big ideas and colossal imagery to sci-fi cinema before, with both Arrival and Blade Runner 2049, but his Dune is something vaster still. More than anything, Villeneuve captures the heart-stopping vastness of Herbert's vision, the grand magnificence of it all, from the carrier ships to the ornithopters to the toothy mondo-sandworms. Like everyone in Hollywood, Villeneuve dreamed big, but not in the sense of how many spinoffs and prequels he could generate. There's a sheer enormity of presence captured on screen that's simply incredible to behold.
Working with screenwriters Jon Spaihts and Eric Roth, Villeneuve does make some alterations to the story, condensing expository sequences and streamlining subplots. But the movie's narrative is fundamentally faithful to the book; even the dialogue is often drawn directly from its pages. This is Villeneuve's movie, but it's fully Herbert's Dune.
Contrast that with the other major sci-fi adaptation currently rolling out to viewers, Foundation, on Apple TV+, based on Isaac Asimov's sci-fi classic. Like Dune, it's a complex tale of imperial intrigue, planetary culture-clash, and conflict between science, religion, and the state, and like Dune, it often looks stunning, albeit notably smaller in scope.
But unlike Villeneuve's Dune, Foundation seems unable or unwilling to translate its source material directly. It doesn't even really try to put Asimov's book on screen.
Instead, it transforms Asimov's talky, thinky tales of political maneuvering and clever logical victories into a more conventional action epic that borrows a few names and narrative elements but owes little else to the source material. The 10-episode first season still has several episodes to go, so perhaps it will right itself eventually. But I'm not holding out hope. It plays like an adaptation of a classic Golden Age science fiction story that is embarrassed by all the elements that made it a Golden Age classic and so has decided to turn it into something else.
Villeneuve's Dune, on the other hand, has no such shame about its source material. On the contrary, it comes across expressly designed to show new and seasoned viewers what's great about Herbert's novel rather than try and force it to be something it isn't.
If the new Dune has a major shortcoming, it's that it only covers the first 60 percent or so of the book's story, leaving an unsatisfying non-conclusion. A sequel may be in the works, but its production will depend on this movie's performance—a dicey proposition any time, but especially during a pandemic that has severely depressed box office returns.
I hope we get another chapter. Dune deserves to be finished. But even if this is all we ever get, I'll gladly take it. Denis Villeneuve's Dune is half a masterpiece in a long-neglected genre, and half a science fiction masterpiece is far better than nothing at all.
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Just saw it this afternoon, and I’m a fan of the novel.
Zero SJW bullshit, and I thought Rebecca Ferguson was great, and was surprised at how well the kid playing Paul did in the role.
I don’t think it could be done better, good movie.
Just finished. Liked it. It was slow for me but feel it was so in an effort to be more true to the novel than the previous film effort.
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I'm surprised we're not getting a version of Asimov's "The Caves of Steel." That's the one of his books that would seem a natural for adaptation. Much easier than "Foundation."
And the sequels have already been written.
With modern CGI you could do a fabulous job on The Gods Themselves, which I think was one of Asimov's best works.
It is not Frank Hebert's Dune.
It is Brian Herbert's perversion thereof.
Liet is a woman. He is Chani's mother.
This changes too much--though I'm sure the low information reader of Dune, nevermind the mindless human mass that will watch this godawful movie-- will never be able to understand what was lost.
But I will attempt to elaborate.
Paul, and Leto and Ghanimina after him are kwizatz haderach-- the male Bene Gesserit, the being who can stand in all places.
This happens because Bene Gesserit other memory does not show the male side of the line to Reverend Mothers. It is the place they cannot look. Thus they cannot attain the totality that opens the full spectrum to them.
Chani, is supposed to provide the Kynes male line to Leto and Ghani via her father, Liet. Now she does not.
If you have read Dune, you understand the repercussions changes to the breeding program make. Paul is a repercussion. Jessica was to have borne only daughters.
Leto tried to fix this--by accepting the Golden path his father refused. What changes on the Golden Path does an altered Chani inculcate? Can Leto even see it now? Can Ghani?
As to the 'film', it looks like the Lynch version was combined with the miniseries version. No great newness, no innovation.
Oh, by the way, Suderman, the sandworms don't have 'Sarlacc-like orifices'. Sarlacc have sandworm-like orifices--they came first.
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Tattooine is an overt homage to Dune. The cargo Han Solo lost that Jabba puts a price on his head for was something referred to as "spice".
"The 1965 novel was a trippy, anti-colonialist, Middle Eastern-philic, 188,000-word saga"
The 1965 novel is the book of the serial Frank Herbert's editor, John W. Campbell started publishing in Conde' Nast's flagship SF magazine, Analog in 1964. Asked about Dune's length after a Hugo award ceremony, Herbert replied " It started as a haiku. In the trade this is known as padding ."
"Tattooine is an overt homage to Dune."
No. As sure as denial is a river in Egypt, Tattooine is the town in Tunisia where the first Star Wars desert scenes were filmed.
You added an extra 'in' to Ghanima. I was a bit put off by a lot of the cheap and easy, hollywood-esque editing choices made that simplified the story. I don't have high hopes for treatment of the Golden Path concept if Villaneuve t gets that far. He has not thus far demonstrated an ability to handle complex plot details or metaphysical intricacy without dumbing it down for the audience that must have everything explained in excruciating detail.
That he directed Arrival is not encouraging. I haven't read the short story, but I can only assume that the movie completely missed any nuance that might have made the original good, that the short story was meant as a short think-piece to encourage rejection of the entire concept and the movie sort of failed to convey that, or it was a bad story, adapted badly, and told badly.
I actually quite enjoyed Arrival since films that concentrate on high-minded and somewhat bizarre science fiction pretty much don't get made these days. Although in some fairness, it didn't look like a movie with a 50 million dollar budget.
I like science fiction as a tool for poking at questions about humanity by imagining changed circumstances. For instance, I like The Expanse novels because they sort of project a plausible version of human nature into a number of what-ifs. The point of the what-ifs isn't supposed to be that the what-ifs exist. For the first book, the technology what-ifs more or less involve, essentially, the ability to generate fractional earth gravity on large asteroids by spinning them and an impossibly efficient engine technology that allows continuous multi-g acceleration for long periods of time. These technologies are explored in, essentially, no detail because they aren't the point. The impact on humanity's social structure that results from having them is the point.
In Arrival the entire movie was spent, essentially, revealing the gimmick, no real time or thought is put into exploring the implications of the gimmick, and even cursory consideration of the implications of the gimmick reveal that the gimmick is probably too stupid to warrant developing a movie around.
Note: Loved Dune, though.
If you are adapting Dune and not the godawful novels that came after, Liet's sex is irrelevant. Enjoy the movie for what it is (I did) and not for what it is not, and never tried to be.
I don't agree. The Kynes that matters is Liet-Kynes' father Pardot Kynes, who Imperial Planetologist who did the actual work on the Arrakis ecology and sandworms/sandtrout and started the Fremen down the path to the ecological transformation of the planet.
Unless we have some indication Pardot has been retconned female as well, we're still dealing with Paul and Leto getting their Golden Path information from the male genetic line.
What it does do it make Paul's sex less unique with regard to this issue, as eventually some Bene Gesserit hottie would likely have bred with a Liet descendent. But with Pardot the discoverer of the ecology, Paul and Leto could totally have gotten the information they needed.
* who was the Imperial...
Unless we have some indication Pardot has been retconned female as well, we’re still dealing with Paul and Leto getting their Golden Path information from the male genetic line.
Females lack the male line--XX. The Y does not come to Leto from a Chani whose mother is Kynes. But it means that Leto can get the wrong X. He needs one from the breeding program--and that can only come from a male Liet.
I'm not sure that was every established or clarified canonically. If it is genetic the way you assert, then of course you are correct.
But since DNA doesn't actually pass on memories, I always assumed the whole "memories of your ancestors" was some kind of supernatural phenomenon disconnected to actual real science like chromosomes.
And... if it works the way you assert, how do we explain Alia? Is she XXY? She has Harkonnen's memories, despite the intervening distaff generation.
I thought Alia was *the* exemplar of the failure mode. Y chromosomes confer control and dominance to the viewer, giving them full(er) prescience. Women who try to view the Y memories are driven insane by them.
Liet is a woman. He is Chani’s mother.
Not only that, a BIPOC woman. Liet was supposed to have gone native and inspire Paul. Instead, they turned him into, to borrow from Spike Lee's, a magic negress. The Empire is *supposed to be evil, white, male, and elite. But, apparently casting characters morally neutral characters fated to die as written isn't diverse enough. The same sort of stupidity that felt the need to invent black stormtroopers.
If it were Herbert's Dune, Mohiam's statement after testing Paul w/ the gom jabbar, that no girl child ever withstood so much, and she must have wanted him to fail, would not have been cut due to modern sensibilities. This statement is important to the plot, but is edited, apparently because it might offend those who shriek loudest. If it was Herbert's Dune, Paul and Jessica would have met Idaho much later, meeting the Fremen on their own. And much more, but it would take more time than I want to spend on this.
Wait until they get to God Emperor of Dune, where Leto blames all historic male militance and violence on sublimated homosexual desires, and where Duncan freaks out because the all-female imperial guard is engaging in homoerotic bow-chick-bow-bow.
Or, you know, elides both topics because disdain for homosexuality and the Hot Bi Babes memes are both politically unpopular.
I've never read the book, but based on the comments of those who have, the consensus seems to be that it's practically impossible to make even adequate homage to the original, because the whole thing is so sprawling that you really need a TV season and a shit-ton of money to pull it all together. And even then, you can't just throw any big-name director on the project, it has to be someone who "gets" the story and will be faithful to its construction.
I've only ever seen the version with Kyle McClachlan and Sting, and found it rather boring other than the battle scenes.
Sounds a bit like trying to make a Silmarillion movie.
You could maybe cover it in 4-6 feature films, (8-12 for Peter Jackson) or a several season streaming show with a large budget.
On another note, it's interesting how hard Zendaya's been getting pimped by the entertainment and tabloid media in recent months. Every other news article in my feeds seems to be some clickbait shit showing whatever latest fashion statement she's making and whatever random premiere she's attending.
She does have legitimate screen charisma, but these people seem to be incredibly desperate for a Female Blockbuster Movie Star, and no one else from the Disney/Nickelodeon Pedophile Farm appears to have been able to take the next step without going completely off the deep end (see Lindsay Lohan/Amanda Bynes/Bella Thorne, for example). Milley Cyrus tried to cross over, but she's such a hot mess that her camp basically turned her into the Millennial Madonna.
She does have legitimate screen charisma
I disagree. Better than Brie Larson but her portrayal of Mary Jane Watson made Kirsten Dunst look like a virtuoso. I can agree that the writing played a big part in the terrible portrayal, but as the story got true to character and Jane and Parker were supposed to be falling more in love, Zendaya's acting got worse.
Also, I have a theory about the ratio of the shade of Zendaya's skin to the size of her tits and the need for Hollywood to see her succeed, but I need more firm numbers to crunch before I can draw any real conclusions.
By the way, he has it dead right about Foundation.
Dune is one of the great science fiction books. The 1980's Dune by David Lynch was a disappointment. Part of the problem is that the book is simple too large to be encompassed by the usual movie running times. I hope this new adaptation is better. Better still would be to present the book as a miniseries of multiple episodes.
One true thing is that every great book cannot be turned into a movie, some can just be books and will have to be read. This may be the case for Dune as well the Foundation.
"Remember Will Smith's I, Robot? That's what I thought."
This parenthetical confused me. I, Robot is on a major cable network pretty much every weekend, at least, despite being 17 years old now. It was a good adaptation of difficult-to-work-with source material, and Asimov was fully on-board with it prior to his death.
It is not a good adaptation at all.
Asimov's robots could not do anything we see robots do in the movie.
They are far more reminiscent of Williamson's humanoids--even to their final solution for humans.
And THAT would have driven Asimov mad.
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"If someone in America was ever obsessed with a story as a 12-year-old, it's probably being made into a movie or TV show right now."
Still waiting for that Last Starfighter remake...
Actually, still looking for "Nine Princes in Amber"
There’s a lot of talk about expectations for a movie playing tribute to the Dune novel. But no movie will ever touch the greatness of Zelazny’s masterpiece. Brilliant writing.
No argument but it would still be fun to see. And I would argue the Amber novels aren't his masterpiece. "Lord of Light" would be even harder to put on screen.
I’ve read a lot of Zelazny, such a great stylist. Lord of Light is hard to find, especially for being a Hugo winner. I found an epub, but I like reading the great ones in print.
I finally found a copy that my local library had to request from another branch, turned out it was in Ukrainian! Back to the drawing board.
May have to resort to Amazon or Powell’s, don’t mind doing that for great books. Sounds like LOL is worth it.
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No movie adaptation of a book is going to be "the same as the book" because the mediums are totally different. You simply cannot tell the same story in the same way. They can only be judged on their own merits.
This movie version of Dune is an instant classic. It will be watched over and over again for years to come. I had two immediate reactions as the final credits started to roll: when is Part 2 coming out, and where is the nearest IMAX where I can see this again?
The pacing is perfect. Perfect. Having seen Timothee Chalamet in the title role of "The King", I knew he would be an outstanding Paul Atreides. The whole tale of Dune is very much about this one character's transformation. Only someone with real heft and the control to not let too much be revealed too soon can portray him well. Chalamet is perfect. Those who are unfamiliar with his work are in for a treat.
Much will be made of the cinematography, which absolutely demands to be seen on the biggest screen possible. The score by Hans Zimmer is as stunning as the images, in my opinion. Perfectly paired.
This is just Part One of a very long story. It took a half hour for the audience I was in to settle down and understand what they were about to see. This isn't some slam-bang CGI fest. This is a no-holds-barred science fiction movie the likes of which we get only once every few decades. It draws you in, and slowly captures your attention until your world falls away.
I don’t believe Part 2 is greenlit though there is a script. And it made the budget back with the Euro release so we will likely see it. Probably 2023/2024.
I have high hopes for Dune after the very disappointing Foundation, which is more of a PC Diversity lovefest than anything resembling the source material. (Women of color unite against the evil white emperors!). Reminds me of the last few Star Wars.
Dune is a big universe but newer stuff like the Hyperion series or Deepness in the Sky/Fire Upon the Deep are so vast/complex that they would be impossible to do in any other format besides something like a multi-year run like Game of Thrones.
I watched this last night on HBO Max, because I really wanted to see what someone other than Lynch could do with the movie. And it did remind me of Blade Runner 2049 in that the pacing was slow and a lot of reverence is given to showing off the digital scenery. Thankfully, the digital scenery is amazing and well worth showing off.
The directors style seems like it pays off better in this film, it doesn't feel like it drags unnecessarily whereas Blade Runner certainly did. Instead it manages to convey some wonder and shows off the almost alien human worlds of 10,000 years in the future.
I'm not sure I'd say that I loved it, since ultimately it's one part of what I believe is going to be at least a two part series, but it wasn't terrible. Frankly I could have lived without as many time-flashes but ultimately it turns out that there was a payoff for most of them so one can at least say they are in service to the plot. I felt like there could have been fewer of them and the viewer would have still understood what was going on when the payoff finally arrives, but for some reason we're treated to multiple visions of essentially the same event.
As someone who read just the first Dune novel perhaps 30 years ago, and someone who actually liked the non-directors cut of Lynch's Dune, I felt like it did a good enough job if someone likes slow paced high-minded science fiction. I'm definitely looking forward to the second film.
I do think that casting Jason Mamoa as Duncan was a mistake though, but that's probably just my opinion. He straight up looks exactly like the fairly monolithic Fremen people as opposed to one of House Atreides colonial military men. He looked at home wearing the Fremen outfits, and a bit out of place otherwise. Perhaps we can just blame Mamoa for refusing to cut his hair for the role.
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I detest movie theaters, but I did watch this on my Oculus Quest with good headphones, either of which I recommend over your basic TV screen.
Pretty fantastic all around. I think this raised the bar on a sort of realism in alien environments/future technology (in a setting with no computers). The energy shield effects when stuff was getting blown up was way cool.
Great, dignified acting (Rebecca Ferguson's Jessica will probably be everybody's favorite character). Paul is sort of a modern teen, but it felt like a deliberate and interesting choice.
I do think the story itself suffers from its rather stale Mary Sue messiah arc in an age of subverted expectations and grittier plotting in sci-fi and fantasy, but it is what it is.
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