Until the Very End, the Generals Wanted Biden to Leave 2,500 Troops in Afghanistan
That would have been a huge mistake.

Military officials appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee on Tuesday to discuss the conclusion of military operations in Afghanistan, as well as President Joe Biden's handling of the extraction. Those present included Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; Lloyd Austin, secretary of defense; and Kenneth McKenzie, commander of the U.S. Central Command.
The session marked the first time that these top military officials had all appeared in front of Congress since the Kabul airport suicide bombing that killed 13 U.S. troops and dozens of fleeing Afghans. It was also the top brass's first opportunity to comment on the drone strike that military officials initially insisted had killed only Islamic State militants. (It had, in fact, accidentally hit civilian targets.) For Milley, in particular, this was also his first visit to Congress since reporting revealed that he had reached out to his counterpart in the Chinese government to assure him that he would provide a warning before acting on any potentially aggressive orders from outgoing President Donald Trump.
In his testimony, McKenzie indicated that earlier this year, he recommended that Biden leave a residual force of 2,500 troops in Afghanistan, afraid that a complete withdrawal "would lead inevitably to the collapse of the Afghan military forces and, eventually, the Afghan government." Milley confirmed that he agreed with the advice.
Immediately, Republicans seized on this admission: Sen. Ted Cruz (R–Texas) tweeted that the administration "ignored the advice from the military and mislead the American people," and that had their advice been followed, "Biden's botched Afghan withdrawal could have been prevented and American lives could have been saved." Sen. Jim Inhofe (R–Okla.), who had asked the initial question, later tweeted a video in which he criticized the Biden administration for "not listening to his advisors" on the issue.
In response to a question from Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D–Mass.), Austin acknowledged that while there were "a range of possibilities" for what could have happened with a theoretical continued presence, "if you stayed there at force posture of 2,500, certainly, you'd be in a fight with the Taliban. And you'd have to reinforce yourself."
This is the crux of the matter: There is no plausible scenario in which the U.S. could leave behind a permanent, or even indefinite, force of soldiers without incurring further casualties. The Doha Agreement negotiated under Trump set an end date by which all American forces would have left Afghanistan, barring any future Taliban violence; a new administration reneging on that deal would certainly have invited renewed bloodshed. And a force of 2,500 facing the entirety of a renewed Taliban would have necessitated further reinforcement. At that point, we would be right back to October 2001, facing an uncertain future and an even more uncertain end goal.
Nevertheless, some Republicans are asserting that McKenzie's answer contradicted what the president had said during an August interview with ABC News host George Stephanopoulos, who asked whether Biden had been advised to leave 2,500 troops in Afghanistan. Biden's answer was, at best, muddled and self-contradictory, saying both that he did not receive such advice, and that the advice was "split."
In the most charitable interpretation of his response, a Washington Post fact check noted that Biden immediately pivoted to talking about how the Taliban, after agreeing to a U.S. withdrawal deadline and abiding by its stipulation against attacks on troops, continued to capture territory throughout Afghanistan, and any effort on the part of the U.S. to try to extend or even expand its presence within the country would not have been taken lightly by an emboldened Taliban now in near-complete control of the country.
The White House contends that this is what the president meant—that nobody advised him he could leave 2,500 troops without risking a return to direct conflict. Whether or not Biden was lying, equivocating, or simply forgetful, the fundamental point remains the same: For all the well-deserved scorn one can heap on Biden's execution of the withdrawal, the only true alternative was not withdrawing at all, and that would have been far worse.
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2,500 troops would have been able to guard Kabul airport better.
But any thoughts that 2,500 troops would have prevented the collapse of the Afghan Army is ridiculous.
"if you stayed there at force posture of 2,500, certainly, you'd be in a fight with the Taliban. And you'd have to reinforce yourself."
Objection, your honor. Speculative, and assumes facts not in evidence.
2,500 troops around the military airfield, evacuating on Trump's "before it gets warm enough to fight" schedule, would not have had to fight the Taliban.
But I suppose, as a 'Native American', Ms. Warren is an expert on small unit engagements.
"Trump’s 'before it gets warm enough to fight' schedule" ... was the cause of the mass abandonment of our afghan allies. Stephen Miller purposefully hamstrung the SIV program so that less than 1/4 the number of Afghan allies were allowed to emigrate to the US from 2017 to 2020 as from the previous administration. https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/570076-how-trump-broke-the-system-that-offers-protection-to-afghan-allies
Not worried about the abandonment of Afghan "allies"
Far more worried about the abandonment of American citizens there.
DOL
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And if you really want to make a point, try citing somethin other than an editorial. Even left shit-piles like you have opinions, worthless though they are.
Go back to your hood, sevo.
turd lies. It's what turd does. turds a pathological liar, too abysmally stupid to even understand he lies. If turd posts it, it's a lie.
turd lies; it's turd does.
I suspect the Afghan Army not getting paid for months had more to do with it than Trump not bringing in a few translators.
Funny thing is getting out in March/April as originally planned would have put enough time between withdrawl & collapse for it not to be considered causative. Joe wanted symbolism, he got chaos and dead kids like any other Democrat policy.
They did leave 2,500+ there.
ICWYDT
^+ oh several thousand more!
Where was the mention of the Taliban's offer of all of Kabul that was presumably rejected by the administration but we cannot be sure since one of the military dicks did not put much stock in it and that was not the focus of his contact. That does not sound like a Taliban eager for active hostilities. How about carrying out Trump's threat to bomb the village of the Taliban leader to keep him in check. What a bullshit piece. Can't say I was disappointed.
Taliban wanted us out of the way. Their goal wasn't to pick a fight with a force they can't match, it was to get us to leave, then retake the country.
Decolonizing Afghanistan just like the progs demand.
Everyone needs to read Mr. Buttplug's ironclad case that literally everything that went wrong in Afghanistan a few weeks ago is Drumpf's fault.
#LibertariansForBiden
#BidenIsAsSharpAsEver
Glad we are gone from that place. Many many years overdue, but glad that we are gone nonetheless.
Would have been nice if droolin' Joe had used the plan Trump had in place and didn't engineer a self-administered ass-kicking, leaving who knows how many hostages still there.
This morning, when this story came on the news, and they talked about the "2500 troops", my son (who is not yet a teenager) was like, "How would 2500 troops stop this when 100,000 afghans couldn't?" (he didn't know the actual army size).
It was a great opportunity to explain to him that this is a perfect example of how the government works. After 20 years of failing in its core mission to stand up the Afghan government as a credible defense against cavemen, the leaders who failed us are asking to please give them another shot at the prize.
My son nodded and then left to go play video games. Maybe something stuck in there.
So good to have the adults in charge.
Glad to see that you guys aren't still shitting your pants over Afghanistan.
Only the leftie shitstained assholes like you when Biden's poll numbers dropped. That and his mishandling of the border and ignoring inflation and lying about covid will hand Congress to the GOP and two years later the White House.
Because the left and democrats are just that stupid.
Shit lord can't spell "droolin' Joe's colossal fuck-up", to a degree because he's a lefty shit, but more so simply because he's an ignoramus besides.
To leave them there forever....yes.
To leave them there until EVERYBODY else was out...makes total sense.
But our military leadership hasn't won shit in decades.
Not true. There was Grenada and Panama.
And next year's defense budget is over $700 billion. That's the real victory.
Check out their stock portfolios to see if they have won anything.
What is with the "charitable" reading here.
Senile Joe fucked it up, and he continues to do so. There will be worse to come because he's incompetent as fuck.
He told a straight up lie about what he had been advised so the blame for the aftermath did not fall solely on his head.
"...that would have been far worse."
Unless you are a non-Taliban Afghani.
LESS SLOPPY PULLOUT!
turd can’t spell “droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuck-up”, to a degree because he’s a lefty shit, but more so simply because he’s an ignoramus incapable of telling the truth from his lies. He is a psychopathic liar.
turd lies; it's all turd does.
Alternatively: Yes, fine, Afghanistan was indeed "chaos" — but blame Drumpf instead of Biden.
Sloppy Joe drooled after drone strike murdering innocent children. One would think you’d be upset about the loss of those lives.
Well you know his son died of cancer so it's OK when he kills other people's kids because he can feel their pain.
Yeah, I seem to remember him mentioning that EVERY DAMN TIME SOMEONE ASKS HIM A QUESTION THAT AIN'T A BP FASTBALL!
I doubt the recommendation was to leave them there indefinitely. Keeping Bagram open and protected to evacuate from a military base would have been much safer and more effective than relying on the Taliban to protect the regular airport.
Logical progression:
- People out
- Equipment out or disabled/destroyed
- Military out.
Except that we could not hold Bagram with 2500 troops. The Defense Secretary Austin said in testimony that it would require least 5000 troops.
No surprise, our 60-going-on-13 ignores Trump's agreement with the Taliban and the 'government'
a new administration reneging on that deal would certainly have invited renewed bloodshed.
Changing the withdrawl schedule was reneging!
the only true alternative was not withdrawing at all, and that would have been far worse.
Holy fucking false dichotomy. There were an infinite number of ways to withdraw that were far less worse and would not have involved the monumental fuck-up executed by Biden.
It's just spin; this way POS excuses for journalism, such as Slate, can claim "see, Biden is way smarter than the generals!" [which they actually did two days ago] when in reality, "... Biden was lying, equivocating, or simply forgetful"
UH, we had 2500 troops there when the Afghani government collapsed and then hiked it up to 6000 for the last weeks of the pull out. 2500 - the number Trump left - didn't stop anything, never would, and as the column notes in the quote, would have been only a down payment on a new commitment with increasing numbers of troops.
Right; Biden is doing a great job. Keep it up.
JF certainly thinks he is.
Which says more about JF than he wants.
"UH, we had 2500 troops there when the Afghani government collapsed..."
Yes, because droolin' Joe ignored the plan which was handed to him in order to do a victory lapb- with zero planning on his part as to how this might be accomplished
"...and then hiked it up to 6000 for the last weeks of the pull out..."
Yes, because droolin' Joe had to make some attempt at avoiding a masacure as a result of his complete fuck-up
"2500 – the number Trump left – didn’t stop anything, never would, and as the column notes in the quote, would have been only a down payment on a new commitment with increasing numbers of troops."
This steaming pile of lefty shit is entirely too stupid to understand that the 2,500 was a token force, meant to be withdrawn on the agreed date, after the civilians had been withdrawn.
This asshole probably has a hard time tying shoe laces; fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.
"Whether or not Biden was lying, equivocating, or simply forgetful,..."
Charitable all the way.
Just check the decoder year guide:
pre-2008: lying
2008-2016: equivocating
post-2016: forgetful
Biden's top libertarian accomplishment so far. Maybe the only one. And he botched it pretty badly, but at least he got it done.
Mostly done. He abandoned thousands of Americans there.
Yep, negotiated, arranged, planned and in process courtesy of Trump. Then droolin' Joe steps in, wads up the plans and fucks up everything we've seen.
Some "accomplishment".
but at least he got it done.
"Sure, the patient died on the table...but we got his tonsils out, and that's what matters."
Except other countries like Britain had troops there and the Afghan army was also there. 2500 troops could have held Bagram and provided air support for the ANA. The ANA was doing the bulk of the fighting with our air cover. We have 25,000 troops in South Korea and a shot hasn't been fired there in 70 years.
Ice tray, we never had less than 2500 troops there and the total was raised to 6000 for the evacuation. 2500 troops didn't cut it then and it sure wouldn't have cut it when the Taliban aimed their fire back at Americans. Anyone suggesting that 2500 would do anything other than get us into another war there with more troops is high.
Ignorant Trump stooges here forget or didn't know that their cult leader cut forces down to 2500 before he left office, set a pull out date of 3 months after he left on an agreement he negotiated with his terrorist buddies without the involvement of the Afghani government, got 5000 of his terrorist buddies out of jail, and then stonewalled the new administration from knowledge or participation in the process, as is long standing tradition in our peaceful transitions of power. Biden got 20k more out of Kabul than was predicted and began warning Americans to start getting out in March, issuing 17 alerts to known countryman.
Biden did get 5,000 of his terrorist buddies put of jail when he abandoned Bagram in the middle of the night. No communication with allies. Just got up and left.
No surprise to anyone reading the piles of shit from our newest lefty asshole, but GF
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"...I’m intimately familiar with former President Donald Trump’s Afghanistan strategy. In November 2020, I was named chief of staff at the Pentagon, where one of my primary responsibilities was to wind down the forever war in Afghanistan.
Trump instructed me to arrange a conditions-based, methodical exit plan that would preserve the national interest. The plan ended up being fairly simple: The Afghan government and the Taliban were both told they would face the full force of the US military if they caused any harm to Americans or American interests in Afghanistan.
Next, both parties would negotiate to create an interim-joint government, and both sides had to repudiate al Qaeda. Lastly, a small special-operations force would be stationed in the country to take direct action against any terrorist threats that arose. When all those conditions were met — along with other cascading conditions — then a withdrawal could, and did, begin.
We successfully executed this plan until Jan. 20, 2021. During this interval — when there were no US casualties in Afghanistan — President Ashraf Ghani and the Taliban conducted multiple rounds of negotiations, and al Qaeda was sidelined. The result was a successful drawdown of US forces in Afghanistan to 2,500, the lowest count since the dawn of the War on Terror.
We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested...."
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/
Dumbshit Joe seems to think any of his bloo-bloo-blooing has legitimacy, and is trying to cover for the fact that the Taliban made his boy their bitch, while the French and the British embarrassed the shit out of the 82nd Airborne.
Make that "Biden got 40k more out of Kabul than was predicted.."
While you are bullshitting, why not just make it a trillion?
Chumby, it's a fact.
Had he started evacuations in January, when he took office, and not a few days before the Taliban rode into Kabul on US military vehicles, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. He unilaterally ignored the negotiated deadline so he could have an ego driven photo op event on Sept 11. The cucks in the US media and the other Biden simps can drink the Kool Aid but the rest of the world doesn’t operate that way. Biden botched the fuck out of what should have been a straightforward withdrawal.
Joe, you're full of shit.
Chumby, stonewalled by Trump - completely at odds with long tradition on access for incoming administrations, he started notifying Americans in march and continued sending alerts 17 times. At that time, the consensus was the Afghani government would last at least into the next year, and hopefully beyond - more troops, more arms, etc - and of those Americans there many were contractors or NGOs working with the Afghani government. Why would they leave in January? In any case, expectations were for 80k evacuees eventually and Biden got over 120k out.
Cut the ignorant BS.
He took office in January. He started his campaign long before that. This was the number one foreign policy issue. He had many months to make this right instead of mostly ignoring it with the thought of winging it.
He broke the deal that had been made and set a new deadline unilaterally so he could satisfy his narcissism with some big event on Sept 11. This was his priority. A PR stunt instead of overseeing the safe evacuation of Americans.
In an accidental move of journalism, a WH press corp reporter asked him about the impending fall of Afghanistan and he was quick to shoot that down while snapping back at the person. At the same time this dog and pony show of a press conference was happening, Chinese officials were meeting with the Taliban. This was in July. Biden gave the same bullshit to our allies there. The same ones that were relying on our leadership and the same ones Biden let down. Merkel brought this up at a press conference as did Macron. Britain was so disgusted with Biden’s failures and ineptitude that put their soldiers and civilians at greater risk that their parliament found him in contempt. The double digit IQ crowd in the US have nothing to say other than, “But Trump.”
The expectation was for ALL Americans to be brought home. And for thousands, that did not happen thanks to Biden botching this royally.
To top off this disaster, he drone strike kills innocent civilians including children. Biden stated, “The buck stops here.” This was a war crime.
But Trump. That was four days ago. The intelligence said something different. The Afghans. Guess Biden and company are back to the first lie trying to escape responsibility for his botch.
Biden lied, they died. Biden slept, mourning parents wept.
Chumby, keeping the "deal - made by Trump with his Taliban buddies (he invited them to Camp David) zero Afghan input - would have meant leaving 3 months after he took office after an infantile a.shole stonewalled his incoming administration, a despicable and unprecedented act of a loser. Biden started notifying Americans in March to get it together and continued that message with at least 17 alerts. Given the hope and expectation that the Afghani government wasn't going to fold like a cheap suit, there was no rush by those Americans or the administration. Guess what? The President doesn't design drone strikes or write intelligence reports. He signs off on the former and reads the latter. Do you think he would have assured us that the Afghani government was good in July - he did - if he knew or even thought it would fold a month later?
This was a long term failure of US policy and a military continually pumping us with feel good stories. Biden told Obama to cut it short in 2010, but wasn't listened to. Do you think you lose wars pretty? Wake the f..k up.
The deal was between the United States and the Taliban. If Biden didn’t like it, he should have negotiated a different deal with the Taliban. Instead, he broke the deal because his ego needed a big festivity on Sept 11. It was a slimeball move by a slimeball with slimeballs trying to defend it where there were deadly consequences.
Biden was saying publicly that everything was going to be ok. Even in July. The fact that our NATO allies got fucked over by botcher Biden and called him out publicly suggests something different occurred. He was in charge of the narrative and that message was things would be okey dokey.
His focus was on his victory lap. In July, the intelligence said it would happen, the WH press corp knew it would happen, China met with the Taliban in preparation for it to happen. Biden said it wouldn't happen and it did. I’m not sure if it was just plain incompetence, hubris or dementia but he ignored all this. And communicated that it would not happen. Disaster followed.
Guess what? Biden is the CiC and he said in regard to Afghanistan, “The buck stops here.” Keep carrying the water for the war criminal. Innocent lives were taken. Children were murdered. Biden is the boss and he should pay for the crimes.
Senator Biden voted for the invasion. And as VP helping to oversee the occupation for eight years, he should have recognized that this was his top priority when taking office. He focused on other things like making recommendations to social media companies to ban accounts and crafting a $3.5T albatross thank you gift.
It was so bad that when Kabul fell, he was taking a vacation at Camp David. The man believed his own lies and incompetence thinking it would carry the day.
He was so disinterested in all of this that he disrespected the fallen soldiers as they returned home.
This wasn’t going to be a V-Day moment. But Biden turned a somber day into a disastrously deadly one.
Again Chumby, Biden was writing the intelligence reports saying the Afghani government was good for at least the year.
By the time Biden took office and the Infant in Chief who preceded him had skulked away in the morning without the nuts to attend the inauguration after stonewalling the incoming administration on everything, including Afghanistan, there were 2500 US troops in Afghanistan. A beefing up of troops - not something Biden was in favor of in principle as he had wanted out 11 years ago - would have generated renewed attacks on them.
The intelligence said the collapse was imminent. The fucking White House press corps knew it. But botcher Joe needed his Sept 11 trophy and ignored it. Biden didn’t need to write the intel, he just needed to read it and accept it. There was a disconnect somewhere. He was stating publicly and privately to our allies, who were there to support us, that all was fine.
I have no idea what the correct amount of troops was necessary. We should have held Bagram until all US and allied civilians were out. It was dumb to have abandoned that base, in the middle of the night without any outside notice, and to do so while leaving 5,000 high value detainees to be freed by others. It was easier to defend, has two runways and was not right in the population center of the country. The large groups of people massing outside HKIA would not have been present there. A larger perimeter could have been established to reduce the potential for attacks. Maybe that war crime drone strike wouldn’t have happened.
Civilians out first. Then the billions in military equipment. And finally the last of the troops. All of this should have been communicated. Biden failing to plan was a plan to fail.
Take a pill Chumby:
"...key American decisions were made long before July, when the consensus among intelligence agencies was that the Afghan government could hang on for as long as two years, which would have left ample time for an orderly exit. On April 27, when the State Department ordered the departure of nonessential personnel from the embassy in Kabul, the overall intelligence assessment was still that a Taliban takeover was at least 18 months away, according to administration officials.
One senior administration official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the classified intelligence reports, said that even by July, as the situation grew more volatile, intelligence agencies never offered a clear prediction of an imminent Taliban takeover. The official said their assessments were also not given a “high confidence” judgment, the agencies’ highest level of certainty...."
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/17/us/politics/afghanistan-biden-administration.html
And:
"The top US general said repeatedly on Wednesday that he had not seen any intelligence assessments suggesting that Afghanistan would collapse as quickly as it did.
"There was nothing that I or anybody else saw that indicated a collapse of this army and this government in 11 days," Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley said at a Pentagon press briefing, his first since the Taliban seized control of Kabul.
He told reporters that "there are not reports that I am aware of that predicted a security force of 300,000 would evaporate in 11 days, from 6 August to 16 August, with the capture of 34 provinces and the capital city of Kabul," explaining that no one saw an army of that size falling apart that fast...
A senior intelligence official told Voice of America Wednesday afternoon that US intelligence "consistently identified the risk of a rapid collapse of the Afghan government," explaining that "we also grew more pessimistic about the government's survival as the fighting season progressed."
The official acknowledged, though, that "the Afghan government unraveled even more quickly than we anticipated."
https://www.businessinsider.com/general-milley-says-no-intel-afghanistan-would-collapse-so-fast-2021-8
Unnamed intell officers quickly claimed that they had predicted the speedy collapse, but as is the nature of intel there is no proof of that, these claims may be purely self serving, and if they were true, why would Biden publicly say otherwise in July and the Pentagon not go nuts? You may hate their guts, but they're not stupid.
Yet many knew at the time. Glad to see other folks offering post mortem chaff and redirect in an effort to brush aside Biden’s fuckup.
The civilians should have been out well before the original May deadline. And the troops out by then. But ego Joe decided that he could get some adulation by extending everything to Sept 11 and that became the doctrine.
It is sad that a reporter, citing intelligence reports, was more competent than Biden and his cadre of loyal generals.
Shift from “but Trump” to “nobody knew.” Yet they did.
Again, if the original withdrawal deadline had been kept by the US we would not be discussing this.
No Chumby, no one "knew at the time". Some claim they warned it could happen, but the more cautious admit they didn't know. Given how self serving these comments are, we don't know if they are true or not.
The "original timeline" - you mean the one Trump set in Feb of 2020 to occur in May of 2021, after the election, but then which he stonewalled Biden's incoming administration on - could not have been met.
When you lose a war it never looks good.
The reporter, in July, cited intelligence reports that said this was imminent. But botcher Joe needed his Sept 11 ceremony. China met with the Taliban in July knowing they were about to take over. I don’t give a rat’s ass about what the “top men” that were involved are saying after the fact to make things look unforeseeable when at the time they were not. The Monday morning quarterbacking is being done by the folks that fucked it up.
But Trump. Nobody knew. That was four days ago.
When you have an incompetent president, it never looks good.
Cite please. The reporter talked to an unnamed intelligence official. He didn't see any reports.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xL7iEWqWIS4
"Chumby, stonewalled by Trump –...'
Read above, asshole.
You.
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Joe, you’re full of shit.
(correct 'reply this time)
Sevo once again demonstrates the limits of his damaged mind and speech patterns.
Pathetic
The steaming pile of lefty shit JF again demonstrates he can't read.
Asshole.
A partial withdrawal would at least ensure that we would have troops on the ground to evacuate stranded Americans. We bugged out while out people were still there.
Let me repeat that - there are still Americans left in AFG. Not to mention severals hundreds if not thousands of locals who helped us. As someone who favored withdrawing, I'm fairly close to admitting that at minimum, fleeing the way we did was a gigantic mistake. We were under some illusion that local Afghan military force as capable of some degree of self defense (not unlike Iraq).
I get it, we probably should never have gotten into AFG in the first place. But two wrongs do not make a right.
Yet more evidence for my theory that the MIC's plan for withdrawing from Afghanistan was to never withdraw from Afghanistan. Too much money just floating around there with little to no oversight or accountability as to where it was going for the military contractors and all their highly-paid ex-military consultants and advisors to just abandon that pig trough. You know how utterly useless 70 million dollar gas stations in the middle of nowhere get built? You pay somebody 70 million dollars to build it. How many hospitals and schools and roads and water treatment plants have we built over there? How much did they cost, how many were ever finished, how many were ever used? How many fell over a week after they were finished? The Afghanistan pull-out was such a fuck-up because you had a retard like Biden leading a bunch of wiener sniffers like the military brass in directing people who were adamantly opposed to leaving how to hit the bricks.
If we never went there in the first place I would accept your premise but the reality is that we DID invade back in 2001....for better or worse.
We made a lot of commitments along the way too. We broke a lot of those in the way we left. That will not serve the interests of the US well.
Also, the reality is that we have "2500 troops" in a lot of places to ensure that no shenanigans occurs. We can argue all day if that really should be our role in the world (no). But again, it is what it is at this point.
Given all this, we should have kept the limited troop presence in place and also the air support to the Afghan army. That would have kept the Taliban at bay. It has been for 18 months.
Bladernr, the Taliban held up on attacking US troops under the promise that we were on the way out. Any movement to not go would have churned up the war for us and US dead and bar the door Katie.
85%+ of Americans favored sending US troops to Afghanistan because that is where Bin Laden and Al Qaeda was, the instigators of 9/11. Once there, it was in my opinion a noble effort to introduce the 21st century to the country, but it didn't take and we should have seen that much earlier. Biden did, advising against the surge in 2010. Also in my opinion, the part of our leadership most responsible for this - the various presidents of course at the top of the list - was the Pentagon which over and over again pumped sunshine while knowing things were not going as promised. 17 or 18 years of that - let's give them the 1st 2 or 3 years for going after Bin Laden - is inexcusable.
The Republican focused the fact that the Generals made the recommendation which the President said they did not. This was politics.
The real question is how would they have kept 2500 troops in country. Unless the Taliban agreed there was no way to keep that number troops there. You can maintain 2500 troops in a country that accepts your presence but not really one that objects.
The only real choice for the President was to stay in Afghanistan and continue the war or to leave.
Not one General stood up and said.. as we were there illegally, based on lies and THE false flag*, all this discussion is meaningless. *
The Govt. conspiracy theory about that Arab in an Afghan cave who shut down the 1/2T$ US air defenses with his laptop, then had one of his 22 his L Pilots, this one couldn't even solo a Cessna172 with 600 logged hours.. fly a hologram, at the impossible sea level speed of 580mph, right through a Twin Tower, and 'crush' it so well, that the remains could be removed overnight in 4 hours, instead of taking 4 years. That being.. Millions of tons of twisted steel girders, glass, concrete, air con machines and ducts, plumbing and sanitary ware, wiring and emergency genes, office equipment,, and 3000 HUMANS.. that in 2 100M high mounds.. (physics), not forgetting, the 2 remaining central cores, 417M high(!)! as the floors had 'pancaked', according to NIS. Search ''.9/11 Hologram Plane Theory - Bill Cooper RIP Nov 5 2001''. .
For all the well-deserved scorn one can heap on Biden's execution of the withdrawal, the only true alternative was not withdrawing at all, and that would have been far worse.
Yeah, withdrawing on Trump's time table during a negotiated and effective ceasefire wasn't even an option. Biden's clusterfuck or Bush's were the only two options.
Both sides, Country *and* Western! Imagine being stupider than a comedic parody of dumb rednecks.
"Cite please. The reporter talked to an unnamed intelligence official. He didn’t see any reports."
Pick them cherries, steaming pile of lefty shit, but you might look here (assuming your reading comprehension is fare superior to the idiocy you've posted so far):
https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/
Oh, and please fuck off and die.
I'm not going to say 2500 should have stayed or we should have never have gone in. I'm not an expert there.
Reason is kinda of funny - they don't want any wars, want open borders and want to abandon Allies. Probably would have been against D day too.
I get the impression they would have abandoned West Germany and every to the USSR. They also seem like they have no fences, and if the neighbor is beating his wife, kid, and kicking his dog so be it.
The only thing necessary for the Trumph of Evil is for Good Men to do Nothing.
They don't want open borders. They want to selectively or "more equally" redistribute the socialism. Open borders as in "Mexicans have a RTKBA in Mexico" is not on the table.
Tell it to the Afghans whose country we invaded for no reason.