Afghanistan

Don't Excuse Biden for His Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal

You can both support withdrawal and recognize its failed execution.

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President Joe Biden on Monday did something unexpected for a U.S. executive: In a press conference, he stuck by his promise to withdraw troops from Afghanistan. It's a speech that drew plaudits from anti-war advocates and scorn from the hawks. Yet in our hyper-polarized political landscape, we sometimes forget there's room for more than two camps, and that applies here: It is possible to champion our troop removal while criticizing the way it was done. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Biden's address made the case against nation building and regime change wars. Though the optics are messy, his decision to pull troops was the right one, he said. The speech took several pages from the anti-war playbook—rare rhetoric in the context of recent U.S. presidents, even as the war on terror has lost support. More than two-thirds of Americans want an end to the war in Afghanistan. Biden was confident, assured, and full of humility, wrote Reason's Eric Boehm.

But the president failed to fully grapple with the execution, which, most notably, has seen thousands of Afghans stranded after they risked their lives to help the U.S. win an unwinnable war. 

He did mention it, however briefly. "I know there are concerns about why we did not begin evacuating civilians sooner," he said yesterday. "Part of the answer is some of the Afghans did not want to leave earlier, still hopeful for their country. Part of it is because the Afghan government and its supporters discouraged us from organizing a mass exodus to avoid triggering, as they said, a crisis of confidence."

That sounds fair enough: The situation is undoubtedly more complex than meets the eye. But it stops far short of explaining why, for example, 18,000 special immigrant visa (SIV) applications were languishing in a web of red tape far before the withdrawal began. That program was created by Congress to give an immigration pathway to Afghans—those who translated for U.S. soldiers and filled other critical roles in service to the Americans—knowing that they did so at risk of Taliban reprisal.

The result has been nauseating. Videos show a besieged airport in Kabul, Afghanistan's capital, where people have been falling from the sky after trying to hold on to planes as they took flight. Afghans who helped the U.S. are now under threat of near-certain death at the hands of the Taliban. Some say the militant group is going door to door looking for traitors to the regime, and reports are already surfacing of public executions. One such report notes that, two days ago, an Afghan interpreter was hung in the streets, his arms severed and his Department of Defense ID card burned into his chest. Those who didn't make it to the airport—U.S. citizens and Afghans alike—have gone into hiding as they attempt to avoid a similar fate, frantically trying to contact the American government in the hopes that someone can find them before the Taliban does. The largest news organizations are publicly pleading for the government to help rescue their people.

It's true that some of the chaos in Afghanistan was inevitable. "It was very obvious what was going to happen," says Max Abrahms, a professor at Northeastern University and an expert in international security. "The nation building has been a failure. The Afghan government is seen as a stooge. And over the past few years, the Taliban has been gaining ground….Withdrawing was tantamount to giving the Taliban the keys."

It seemed Biden was under a different impression last month when he said he had confidence the Afghan army might be able to hold its own, a sentiment echoed by many military experts. In reality, the Taliban took over in a matter of weeks, with President Ashraf Ghani fleeing the country. "I do not believe the American public understood" what the final result would be, adds Abrahms, "and I don't blame them for not understanding that."

But we didn't have to leave U.S. citizens and Afghan allies in this bind. Military officials reportedly warned the Biden administration that waiting to evacuate American personnel would have dire consequences, which came to fruition. And the failure to help Afghans who assisted the U.S. military may have also come down, at least somewhat, to a political calculation. "It's like they want the credit from liberals for ending the Trump cruelty to immigrants and refugees but they also don't want the political backlash that comes from actual refugees arriving in America in any sort of large numbers," said one administration official who explained Biden's hesitancy to promptly fulfill the country's promise—something that lawmakers have been pushing for months.

It's important to note that, just like any issue, no one person deserves all the blame. Past administrations had years to remedy the inefficiencies of the SIV program and save Afghans before the eleventh hour. But though Biden may claim he is helpless, he is not: He could bring these Afghans into the country under a policy known as humanitarian parole, and could then proceed with vetting when they no longer have terrorists breathing down their necks.

"I think it had to do with vision," says Abrahms. "It just doesn't seem like there was any real planning."

Justin Amash, the former Libertarian congressman from Michigan, sticks by his conviction that the war needed to reach its finale. "Given the state of the (former) Afghan government and army, it's clear there was never going to be a 'right' time," he tells Reason.

But what about the popular neoconservative refrain? "By this past January, we had just 2,500 troops [in Afghanistan]," wrote former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley. "That's fewer soldiers than we have in about a dozen other countries today and our presence kept the Taliban in check." 

That small presence was the result of the Doha Agreement, struck by former President Donald Trump, under which the U.S. pulled troops back from 15,500 and negotiated peace terms with the Taliban in exchange for our promise to leave by May 1 of this year. "If the U.S. occupation were further extended," adds Amash, "it's likely direct hostilities with the Taliban would have resumed—and then we'd probably see the president put additional troops on the ground, which would further prolong things."

It's a good reminder of how forever wars earned their name. But that doesn't acquit Biden of his role in the chaos. "The Biden administration miscalculated the relative strength and will of the Afghan security forces and the Taliban, but that surprise alone can't explain the botched evacuation efforts now underway," says Amash. "I'm sure we'll learn more about these failures going forward, but clearly the administration waited far too long to plan for the logistical challenges involved in processing and evacuating tens of thousands of people. This particular debacle was avoidable, even if Taliban control of Afghanistan was not."

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  1. Lord Sullum is going to be pissed at this article. Also DoL, SPB, White Mike.

    This is the take they kept denying everyone else was making, figuring out a way to protect Biden.

    Can finally say this. Good article binion.

    1. Looks like the Ds are ready to throw Biden under the bus.
      What a difference 24 hours makes in marching orders

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          1. Lol, I’ve been saying this since 2015: Kamala is a feminine Hillary, but with even less charisma somehow

            1. Zero personality Melania Trump wants in on this.

              Sure, she got a butterface and was a mail-order whore for Donnie Boy.

              Trump should have married Stormy. He might have been reelected.

              1. The First Lady is not an actual position in the government. The Vice President is. I know this is confusing to you, as neither of them are children.

              2. Didn’t you just crank at me for rudeness, oh kettle black?

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            2. It was like Biden named Al Davis his general manager and he’s the one that picked Harris.

        5. Kamala Harris will appear on CNN to claim that Joe Biden raped her after they both attended a democratic party fundraiser in the 90s.

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      2. Yeah, he’s even getting raked over the coals at NYT. It’s almost like they’re not worried about Democrats getting a shellacking in the midterms.

        Will be interested in what the spin on events will be at NYT and Reason when that possibility finally occurs to them.

        1. It’s almost like they’re not worried about Democrats getting a shellacking in the midterms.

          Why should they be? Now that the 2020 election “fortifications” have been federalized.

      3. The Ds throw all of their figureheads under the bus eventually. They have to; they are collectivists, and collectivism never yields good results.

        Throwing the figureheads under the bus is how they deflect criticism from the ideology. Real communism has always, forever, never been tried!

      4. They smell the rot and it is them!

    2. The situation is shit, and was going to be shit regardless. I’d agree that we should have been evacuating civilians and refuges much sooner and much faster of course.

      Ultimately, this is like Trump and North Korea. I’m not going to criticize too harshly when no good options exist.

      1. But there were much better options.

        Why shut down Bagram AFB? Why not destroy the equipment left behind? Why not evacuate everybody BUT the military first?

        1. Exactly. This wasn’t the Battle of Hoth. Biden had eight months to figure this out.

          He and Psaki will be working overtime after their vacations to list all the accounts that need to be banned on FB and Twitter.

          1. Eight months to figure what out? That the Afghan ‘govt’ had no more survival capability than a dead fish? I find it hard to blame any Prez for tending to believe what all of their advisors/planners are telling them. Lies only become obvious when they become obvious and it’s only the last week that has proven how much the DC ‘expert’ class has been lying about everything in Afghanistan for 20 years now.

            What I will blame Biden for is if he fails to hold the swamp and Pentagon accountable for their failures. Not that I expect Biden to do that. Same failures happened in 9/11 – and everyone skated responsibility for those intelligence failures too.

            1. How about not getting out our civilians before removing troops?

              1. Of course. The entire withdrawal ‘plan’ was a cluster – assuming it even existed. As would’ve been any ‘plan’ that relied on the Afghan army to provide even modest ability to fill a vacuum for a few days.

                I have no idea wtf Genl Miller even did in winding down his command before resigning in July. But whatever he failed at was yet another failure.

                1. You should have stopped with ‘I have no idea’ instead of trying to make this anyone but the Commander in Chief’s responsibility. Or trying to find some excuse for Biden not wanting to cause panic, thus leaving 10-15K US citizens trying to make their way through Taliban held Afghnaistan and Kabul to a civilian airport vs using Bagram. This isn’t counting the SIV holders and applicants, or the foreign nationals who were not in the loop, since NATO forces were also in the lurch. In the end, some GO will likely be fall guy, but it will be Biden who was responsible as POTUS for making the decisions. The US military does not make or set political policy, nor do they act on matters if national level without civilian leadership -the US Congress and POTUS tell them what to do.

                2. figure out what? serious blue team blindness, go post that shit at salon, so you can get likes and internet pats on the back

                3. “…As would’ve been any ‘plan’ that relied on the Afghan army to provide even modest ability to fill a vacuum for a few days…”

                  JFree here making excuses for Biden; imagine a surprised face, ’cause you’re not going to see one.

            2. Eight months to figure out how to properly withdraw as opposed to the chaotic abandonment that is occurring.

              Biden was asked a month ago about his intelligence experts stating this would happen and Biden snapped back that they were not saying this and the Taliban would not seize control.

              China met with the Taliban a month ago knowing this would happen. And Biden stuck his head in the sand.

              1. This is being generous. A more accurate representation: Shortly after getting back from vacation, Biden called a lid at and got a snack. He buried his head further up his colon than he had managed during the prior 4+ decades. The narrative media generally fawned over him, gushing a combination of DNC talking points, ‘but Trump’ condemnations, and ‘GOP = Taliban’ hysterical comparisons in their cascading propaganda attempts.

            3. Cowardly piece of lefty shit asks:
              “…Eight months to figure what out?…”

              Well, droolin’ Joe had in hand an agreement which Trump had negotiated with Taliban, and which Taliban had been honoring. Likely to avoid any perception that Trump knew what he was doing, droolin’ Joe tore it up, and saw no reason to negotiate a new agreement. And then, absent what seems to be one scintilla of preparation on the ground, announced the withdrawal.
              And then, droolin’ Joe is SURPRISED that Taliban takes advantage of such colossal incompetence!!!!
              And the cowardly piece of lefty shit wonders what was to be figured out?
              Asshole, that says far more about you than you probably want known.

              1. Take your Droxy. Sevo.

                You’re spinning out of control again.

                1. turd lies. It’s all turd does. turd lies.

            4. Dude. Stop. He moved it from May 1 to 9/11 so he could put on a Hollywood show on an anniversary, then moved it up a month because he (actually they, he doesn’t know what day it is) realized that the Taliban would have Kabul surrounded well before 9/11. And it was a shit show scramble of a retreat.

              Yes, after we left, the Taliban regaining control was inevitable. And a certain amount of military supplies would have fallen into the Taliban’s hands. But not this much. And not with thousands of citizens and our allies left behind to get their fucking heads chopped off.

              Did you see the video of the pickup driving off from the airport, where the guy that’s been arrested kicked in the head? That’s happy fun time for what’s happening to him and his family right now. You fucking lefties pretend to be libertarians, but don’t give a shit about individuals that are now going to suffer physical torture that you can’t imagine because Orange Man Bad.

              You’re fucking garbage.

              1. Deutsche Welt reporter in Kabul is reporting that the Taliban are now going around with lists and knocking on doors.

                1. Water is wet.

              2. He moved it from May 1 to 9/11 so he could put on a Hollywood show on an anniversary

                That’s possible. It’s also possible there was no plan in place on Jan 21 and with only three months until May 1, the generals advised him to delay it. idk. Neither do you probably. Whatever – he pretty clearly did not make that withdrawal a priority – which is a problem but not a surprise.

                What I really don;t give a flying fuck about is your ilk’s continual DeRp bullshit. Like EVERY FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD must be viewed in the lens of DeRp politics and elections. You people are OCD morons.

                1. And based on this article from Feb 2021, they (meaning DC, NATO, swamp, SecDef, etc) were still arguing about what to do.

                  Meaning this was not delayed for a photo op. It was delayed because they were still arguing about what the ‘strategy’ was.

                  1. The Biden admin didn’t decide to actually follow up on withdrawing until April.
                    This is 100% the Biden admin’s fault, no matter how much you want to blame Trump and all the people you resent.

                  2. That sounds like it was the presidents place to make a decision, and he didn’t. The buck stops at the oval office – if your underlings are indecisive, you decide, and tell them what to plan for.

                    Trump probably didn’t have a plan either, but that doesn’t excuse Biden’s lack of leadership here.

                    1. I’m not excusing anything. I’m pissed at all the fucking bots here who always make everything about electoral politics.

                    2. “…I’m not excusing anything…”

                      Cowardly piece of lefty shit, that’s EXACTLY what you’re trying to do.
                      Stuff your PANIC flag up your ass, stick first and sit on it.

                2. He moved it from May 1 to 9/11

                  Possible? The idea to tie the withdrawal to 9/11 was a colossal exercise in idiocy. Everything that followed is on Sleepy.

                3. “…What I really don;t give a flying fuck about is your ilk’s continual DeRp bullshit. Like EVERY FUCKING THING IN THE WORLD must be viewed in the lens of DeRp politics and elections. You people are OCD morons.”

                  Personally, I’m fed up with lefty asshole ignoramuses claiming we had no choice.
                  Stuff your lies up your ass, cowardly piece of lefty shit. Your head wants company.

        2. I’m putting this out there with no evidence whatsoever, but maybe the play was to create a minor crisis as a pretext to sending more troops to Afghanistan and restoring our permanent presence, and then the Taliban advanced far more quickly than anticipated and fucked all those plans up.

          1. They haven’t fucked those plans up yet. How many troops are there today compared to three months ago?

            1. About triple

          2. Or maybe get the Taliban to overextend themselves? Not likely but you never know!

          3. No, Biden has always been a cut and run guy.

            Unless this was the Hawks plan to force him to go back.

        3. I’m putting this out there with no evidence whatsoever, but maybe the play was to create a minor crisis as a pretext to sending more troops to Afghanistan and restoring our permanent presence, and then the Taliban advanced far more quickly than anticipated and fucked all those plans up.

        4. Wholesale disposal of military equipment would, itself, require supplies. On top of that is the logistics of where the equipment is currently being held, if it’s currently in use by friendly security forces (or is being transferred to them), etc.

          For example, say you’ve got a broke-down MRAP in a small camp 10 miles from the main base. Could you take the time to send out a wrecker to recover it? Send out a team to try and permanently disable it? With what exactly? Or given limited time and resources, do you just abandon it?

          1. Except why was there limited time and resources?

            1. ^

          2. For example, say you’ve got a broke-down MRAP in a small camp 10 miles from the main base. Could you take the time to send out a wrecker to recover it? Send out a team to try and permanently disable it? With what exactly? Or given limited time and resources, do you just abandon it?

            Here’s a totally crazy idea: use one of the 10,000 unmanned drones already flying over the country on a constant basis and blow it up.

            1. ^

              1. ????? doesn’t post here much. I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt he’s not using his critical thinking skills completely.

          3. That all could have happened the past eight months. This was an abandonment.

        5. If you do the right thing in the wrong way, it’s often worse than doing the wrong thing. When it comes to doing things in the wrong way, it’s hard to beat the Biden administration.

          1. We are all just biden our time until Creepy Joe epically fucks up something else.

      2. This is nothing like Trump and North Korea.
        Thousands of Americans are at the mercy of the Taliban, and the world watched the US get absolutely humiliated.
        This withdrawal, precisely because of how badly it was executed, is going to lead to more violence in the world.

        1. https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1427706843120427021?t=T8OxzCukf0Nq-grinzmmfA&s=19

          Wow. This is actually a far bigger hit to America’s global credibility than losing a war.

          Imagine pulling out without a plan and not being willing to get your own citizens out. Mind-boggling.

          I’m of the view that the corrupt regime needs to collapse before something new can take its place—and this is fatal to its legitimacy—but wow.

          “Biden Press Secretary Jen Psaki can’t offer any guarantee that all Americans will be evacuated from Afghanistan [video]“

          1. Remember how for 4 years the media stated how much the US fell in global respectability….

            1. Trump’s mean tweets tricked them into blindly supporting Biden. So Biden’s absolute complete incompetence put on full display in Afghanistan was really on Trump.

              1. Tricked adolescent assholes like Brandyshit and M4e, but that’s a pretty low bar.

        2. This is a big part of why we have to eliminate the democrat party. We just can’t afford their socialism and incompetence anymore.

          1. “This is a big part of why we have to eliminate the democrat party.”

            totally and unconditionally

      3. “…I’m not going to criticize too harshly when no good options exist…”

        There were far better options, but the Biden-defenders will continue to ignore them.

        1. This isn’t even a partisan issue for me. It’s been a shitshow during 2 democratic administrations and 2 republican administrations. Both surges and drawdowns have occurred under both republican and democratic administrations with no change to the intractability of the situation.

          1. We’re not talking about being there, we’re discussing Biden’s disastrous ‘wrap-up’.

            1. “Both sides!” Another chaff and redirect from a Biden disciple.

              1. You’re right; false-flag lefty shit here to excuse Biden in any way he can.

          2. One of those Republican administrations ran on getting us out of Afghanistan. He tried once, and was defeated by Democrats and Liz Chaney. He tried again and had an agreement with the Taliban for a peaceful withdrawal from their country. Biden fucked it up for the purpose of winning the 2024 election.

            Both sides is lazy and stupid thinking, and you should consider thinking deeper. Or prepare for your appropriate treatment on these boards as a repeater of talking points.

      4. But options did, and do exist.

        They just happen to be options in Biden’s Chinese stock portfolio.

    3. Yep, I’ll give credit where it’s due: Reason actually came up with an intelligence and correct take. An all too rate occurrence these days to say the least.

      1. Not they CAME UP with it, there were dozens of people in the comments saying this as it unfolded.

        1. This was pillaged from another thread and I believe the response is longer. In any case this needs to go viral, be played on a continuous loop indefinitely, and Matt Zeller needs a national stage. He should be booked ala Susan Rice…EVRY MFing Sunday morning news show!
          https://mobile.twitter.com/whitneyleerob/status/1427386966685913092?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1427386966685913092%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fsarahd-313035%2F2021%2F08%2F16%2Fi-was-appalled-former-embedded-combat-adviser-with-afghan-security-forces-goes-scorched-earth-on-joe-biden-and-bidens-media-apologists-video%2F

          1. Damn.

        2. Yeah, given who ‘wrote’ this I cannot help but suspect that it was done out of a sort of desperation – trying to hold onto a shred of credibility and not come off as completely in the tank for the DNC.

    4. Trump’s deal with the Taliban set the stage for the Afghan collapse

      BY DAVID SCHANZER

      History will mark Aug. 15, 2021, as the date that the Afghan government collapsed and the Taliban retook control over this troubled and war-torn country. But the real date that the Taliban’s victory was assured is Feb. 29, 2020, the day the Trump administration signed what it characterized as a “peace” deal with the Taliban. Once this agreement was signed — the tragic collapse we witnessed this weekend was inevitable. 

      Of course, the agreement was not, and could not possibly have been, a “peace” deal since one of the parties currently at war — the Afghan government — was not a signatory. Rather, this was a “withdrawal” agreement between the U.S. and the Taliban that set the terms for the complete departure of American troops from Afghanistan by May 2021.

      What did the United States gain in exchange for this withdrawal, for which the Taliban had been fighting for 20 years? Nothing but vague, unenforceable promises that the Taliban would not engage in hostilities against the departing U.S. troops and would “send a clear message” to al Qaeda that it “had no place” in Afghanistan. So eager Trump was to withdraw, we did not even hold out for a clear, firm commitment that the Taliban would not provide aid, safe harbor or weaponry to al Qaeda and like-minded groups. The agreement contained no enforcement mechanisms and included no penalties on the Taliban for failing to comply with its terms.  

      Once the agreement was signed, the fate of the Afghan government was signed, sealed and delivered — the Taliban had practically won the war. There was no way that the government could possibly survive. 

      The fact that the United States entered into negotiations and then an agreement with the Taliban, without even inviting the Afghan government to the table, undercut the power and legitimacy of the government. The citizenry, including those in the national armed services and police, could plainly see that its own government was being ignored, a helpless bystander in critical discussions about the country’s future. After we had cut the legs out from under this government and rendered it a paper tiger, it is no wonder that when those serving in the Afghan army and police were asked to fight, most said, “No, thanks.”

      The agreement also did absolutely nothing to attempt to bring about a peaceful settlement of the war between the Afghan government and the Taliban. A genuine peace deal would have made our withdrawal contingent on the progress of peace negotiations between the Afghan government and the Taliban. But it did not. Trump agreed unconditionally to bring down U.S. troop levels to 8,600 by mid-July 2020 and totally withdraw by May 2021. 

      The agreement anticipated there would be peace negotiations, but in August, Trump voluntarily cut troop levels down to 4,500, even more quickly than required by the agreement, even though negotiations had not even begun. This was a clear signal there would be no linkage between withdrawals and peace, contrary to what U.S. diplomats were telling the parties. This signal was received loud and clear by the Taliban. They balked at starting negotiations until December, and even then, had zero incentive to make any concessions since Trump had already announced that there would be only 2,500 troops in Afghanistan by the time he left office, the smallest U.S. force in 20 years. It was clear to the Taliban that the Americans were quickly headed for the exits.  

      When the fighting season began again this year, the only hope for the Afghan government was to show that it could stand up to the Taliban even with reduced American support to gain leverage at the bargaining table. But results on the ground were just the opposite. The Taliban gobbled up territory more quickly than it had in years. As the Taliban’s power increased, it had even less reason to engage in peace negotiations. 

      To stem the Taliban’s momentum on the ground this spring, the Biden administration would have had to not only abrogate the Trump withdrawal agreement but also deploy more troops and get them more deeply involved in the fighting. This would have breached Biden’s campaign commitment to end the war in Afghanistan and ran against the strong bipartisan public support for withdrawal. 

      The Taliban reads statements from American politicians and likely watches poll numbers. They could not have been surprised when, in April, Biden reaffirmed the American commitment to a complete withdrawal of troops, albeit on a somewhat slower timetable. 

      The Taliban knew it had won the war once Biden’s predecessor had signed the troop withdrawal agreement — now it was only a matter of time.                  

      https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/568154-trumps-deal-with-the-taliban-set-the-stage-for-the-afghan-collapse

      1. The Taliban was taking Afghanistan. Bevause that os what the majority of the Afghans wanted, given the choices they have. But the clusterfuck abandonment of the past few days sits squarely on Biden’s shoulders. Keep blaming Trump though.

        1. She, and the hill, will do just that.

          1. As will shitlord.

      2. Biden openly admitted he didnt follow trumps plans dumbass.

        1. He also said this wouldn’t happen. So claiming it was always inevitable, while maybe true, doesn’t help Biden’s case. If it was always true why didn’t he plan for it by GETTING OUR FUCKING PEOPLE OUT FIRST.

          1. “We planned for every contingency” somehow became “we can’t get all American civilians out… so good luck!”

        2. Whether he admitted it or not, the basic part of Trump’s plan was known by anyone that wanted to know. And everything we knew was not followed, other than “leave Afghanistan”.

      3. Notice that the focus is now on this newly-discovered “fighting season”
        Never has there been any mention of this prior to the effort to deflect blame from droolin’ Joe; now it’s all about this new “fighting season”
        How………….
        convenient.
        Bullshit.

      4. Trump, the Afghan government and the Taliban all had an agreed upon plan. Then Biden broke it, deliberately.

        You guys deliberately fucked it up solely because orangemanbad, and now it’s a shit show.

        You fuckers own this, Sullum.

    5. I’d like to see a follow on plan, something like a permanent drone police force, and civilians attrocities, take out some high level Taliban or a local detachment.

      Open a terrorist training camp? Take it out and a few dozen Taliban.

      Maybe take out some CCP assets too.

      1. Are you volunteering? Have at it, on your dime.

    6. They will chip him soon.

  2. You can both support Biden and criticize his Green New Deal as being slightly larger than it should be.

    1. Yep. Gotta give Binion credit for not being blatantly wrong. Which appears to be a bit of a pattern with the writers here.

      But otherwise I’m not impressed by the weak tea that it is.

  3. At the very least, why was the Bagram Air Base abandoned on July 5? Without the air base, the US can’t maintain control of the air space and a means to evacuate civilians without the (paid) cooperation of the Taliban.

    1. Because they never saw this coming. Even though the Taliban said it was coming after they reneged on the May 1st agreement.

      1. Apparently there was some documentary on Shotime that aired 5 months ago where they interviewed the Taliban, who basically said they were going to do exactly what they did.

        1. Between naps, diaper changes and recommending which FB accounts need to be banned, Biden don’t have time for that.

        2. I don’t recall where I saw it, but yes, they made no secret that they believed Biden had broken the deal they made with Trump.

          1. Hard to see how that’s in doubt.
            Biden wasn’t about to use a plan originated by Trump, so he tore it up, and then didn’t bother to come to any new agreement.
            And now he finds this surprising? That says more about him than he probably wants us to know.

            1. These idiots continue to pretend that the Taliban aren’t men. Yes, they are terrible, evil men. But they are still men. “We”made a deal with them. They honored that deal. Then we broke it. Then “we” pretended that they would act exactly the same after the deal, as before. This is middle school level thinking. Reminds me of calling a bunch of heavily armed Islamist fundamentalist in the middle of a political vacuum the JV team.

              1. Really do not know the level of competence to which droolin’ Joe’s ‘handlers’ aspire; by the evidence so far, it’s barely managing to keep the legacy media from throwing up their hands and the effort here looks to have crossed that line.
                In this case, it seems like droolin’ Joe might have called the shots himself, which shows a ‘competence’ equal to allowing HRC to deal with Benghazi.

    2. “At the very least, why was the Bagram Air Base abandoned on July 5?”

      So, to be…somewhat fair…they didn’t abandon the base. or Kabul. Or Afghanistan. They handed over security to their allies in Afghanistan. They assumed they had a couple more weeks to draw down their civilians. To them, the idea that a 300,000 person army would evaporate over night was just not a possibility. So in their minds, there was no urgent need until last week when suddenly the security forces (Afghan) guarding them just threw down their weapons and walked away.

      If you go into a situation assuming something, and that key assumption is incorrect, it can lead to a series of unfortunate events.

      1. Al Jazeera reported that the US abandoned the air base in the middle of the night on July 4.

        1. And didn’t even tell our Afghan allies we were leaving, turned off the power and our allies didn’t even know how to turn the power back on.

          1. “Battle Grounds”, McMaster.
            Ignore the conclusions; he’s a war monger, but his research and admissions regarding the mess which is called “Afghanistan” are instructive.
            Dunno who drew the lines on the map, but they do not reflect the reality on the ground.

        2. I’m not defending their actions- just suggesting the thinking. Yeah, they left in the middle of the night, likely because they didn’t want the media there to show them leaving- video that would (in their minds) be used by the Taliban in propaganda.

          I also doubt that the allies had NO idea that this was happening. I think it more likely that the timing was kept tightly controlled to avoid the problems mentioned above.

          But assuming they did fail to notify anyone they were leaving then that is yet one more strike in the “This entire operation was run by idiots. Our government put idiots in charge of one of the most important operations of the decade.”

          1. Today, Merkel threw the Biden Administration under the bus for the clusterfuck stating that this was America’s war and Germany helped because it is a NATO ally. And that they were relying on the US for intelligence. She also called for helping refugees into Germany (really known as the eastern Euro countries).

            Semi-related to the above, Greece announced it does not want to take in or allow travel of refugees. And Austria is in the process of deporting the refugees it already has back to Afghanistan.

            1. “Today, Merkel threw the Biden Administration under the bus for the clusterfuck stating that this was America’s war and Germany helped because it is a NATO ally…”

              Perchance we’ll owe the Deutch iron lady a hearty Danke! We can hope this will nudge the US out of NATO.
              If they quit handing out 4-week vacations to soda jerks, maybe they can afford their own defense.

  4. I guess the party talking points have changed since some hurried focus group testing this morning.

    1. Maybe, but this was the same basic argument I made yesterday. I’m fine with the withdrawal (indeed, I was pissed that he didn’t stick to the May 1st deadline), and it was obvious to me years ago, after tours in the CAOC, that the Taliban would end up just taking back over things at some point after we left because they maintained their fighting spirit throughout this entire period (and why not? It’s their home, after all).

      But this fucked-up withdrawal and the utter humiliation of it all is all on Biden, his handlers, and the entire Administrative/Military/Security Complex in DC. They lied to us for years about the capabilities of the Afghan Army, while expressing concerns behind closed doors and in anonymous interviews that we were in an unwinnable situation, that the corruption was too deep, and that no one really knew anymore after Bin Laden got clapped what exactly we were doing there. They spent more on a dirthole village in Afghanistan EVERY MONTH than they’d spend on a US county in an entire year. They were more concerned about getting juicy contract deals for their connected political buddies and retired generals, and getting sweet consulting gigs at DC and New York City think tanks churning out a national forest’s worth of useless white papers, than in winning the war. And all while this is happening, they’re climbing on board the Woke Train and pimping the very things that degraded the civic nationalism required to maintain faith in the country’s institutions and founding principles.

      I don’t have to be happy about this humiliation, but really, aren’t we getting EXACTLY what we fucking deserve here?

      1. But this fucked-up withdrawal and the utter humiliation of it all is all on Biden, his handlers, and the entire Administrative/Military/Security Complex in DC.

        In terms of domestic politics, sure. But that doesn’t change the sheer loss of credibility that America as a nation has suffered.

        This affects us all personally because we’re now bigger targets as Americans because we’re perceived as weak, easy targets to squeeze some cash from the bottomless pit of the American treasury.

        But even further, this affects us as a nation because as a nation we’re perceived as ineffectual. Now when China starts throwing its weight around, other countries will be more willing to yield to China and ignore us because China is both a more credible threat AND more credible ally than the US. In economic terms, this can manifest as other countries seeing less benefit in the kind of barrier-free trade we want and seeing more benefit in the fascist-style CCP-controlled trade that China wants. In defense terms, this will embolden China to start stationing military assets in the western hemisphere to try and contain us the way we’ve been trying to contain them, and other countries may let them do so, because what are we going to do about it? Send the them some humvees?

        The fall of Kabul is a very visible marker to the end of Trump-era diplomacy, where we got most of what we wanted from the rest of the world while spending less on flashy military endeavors, simply for the fact that our leadership was perceived as strong and somewhat unpredictable. We’re now in the era of regime diplomacy, where even our leadership admits that we’re wrong and we’re evil and we deserve everything bad that happens to us, and we’ll still end up spending billions more on fighting for something, even if that something doesn’t translate into anything that the American populace wants.

        aren’t we getting EXACTLY what we fucking deserve here?

        I’m not. I voted for the guy that would have had our troops, our equipment, and our Afghan collaborators out months ago.

        1. “But that doesn’t change the sheer loss of credibility that America as a nation has suffered.”

          Set aside the loss of credibility with the world. This should reveal a loss of credibility with you.

          Those military leaders that were collecting their backsheesh while running Afghanistan into the ground; the intelligence agents that new jack shit about what was going on; the operational security guys; the trainers; the operators; the soldiers?

          ALL THOSE PEOPLE are the same people currently running our carrier fleets in the South China Sea. They are the same people running the IRS and Cyber Security for our country.

          After seeing how incompetently our military planned a withdrawal, do you have any confidence in our military’s ability to defend itself or Taiwan or Japan from China? Or North Korea?

          1. In some times and places, events like this led to revolutions

          2. This should reveal a loss of credibility with you.

            They’ve lost credibility to me a long time ago. My point was that while this may be “good” in that it may wake up many other Americans to the incompetence with which our aristocrats rule over us, it’s still on us, as a nation, that we fucked things up so badly. Whinnie the Pooh doesn’t care if it’s just our Top Men that are fucking things up, it’s still those Top Men that are running the show and it’s still those Top Men that are going to continue to fuck things up while Poohbear expands his empire to the detriment of the entire world, including Americans. Rich Arab monarchs don’t care that it’s just our Top Men that are fucking things up, it’s still going to be those same Top Men that keep fucking things up as they’ll still put the squeeze on the energy market while they can. Asswipe Bin Turdghdadi doesn’t care that it’s only our Top Men that are fucking up, it’s going to be the same Top Men that keep fucking up as he sends gunmen to yell Allah Ackbar! as they murder as many Americans as they can.

            do you have any confidence in our military’s ability to defend itself or Taiwan or Japan from China? Or North Korea?

            That’s the point. As long as there was an image of American might, we didn’t have to put that to the test.

            1. That’s the point. As long as there was an image of American might, we didn’t have to put that to the test.

              Yep. And that image was damaged badly this past weekend, the same way it was after Saigon in 75. People forget this (or never learned), but the general consensus amongst the smart set in the late 70s was that the Soviet Union was here to stay, and that we needed to figure out a detente policy with them while putting our own interests in the back seat. Reagan changed that attitude at the population level with his “America, fuck yeah!” nationalism and massive defense buildup, but it remained at the cathedral level and no one was more shocked about the collapse of the Warsaw Pact, and the utter speed of it, than the mainstream media. You’re seeing that same sort of discombobulation now, because these people are sheltered, fart-sniffing assholes who have no fucking clue about anything outside their little Megacity One social bubble.

        2. Same here. This article mentions Trump’s withdrawal agreement without praising him for it but manages not to wade into obligatory TDS ranting that Reason is well known for. I’m impressed. One can only hope that in retrospect some Reason writer will finally realize that Trump’s foreign policy was far better than what came before and what will surely come next. Whatever blather came out of Biden’s mouth yesterday make no mistake. He is not the new face of a peace movement. He is the face of the MIC and the bankers that need endless war to exist. That’s what he was elected to do. And he knows it.

          1. He is not the new face of a peace movement.

            Hell, he’s not even the face of an old peace movement.

            1. He’s simply the face of incompetence; there is no plan, no general intent; there is what Joe dreamed in the latest nap.
              Let’s not pretend there is a competent human in the WH, and Harris included.
              We got what Brandyshit, M4e, sarc, turd, jeff, shitstain, and the rest of the TDS-addled lefty piles of shit deserve.

              1. “He’s simply the face of incompetence”

                And corruption.
                Can’t forget the corruption.

        3. Agreed. De o rats should be made to suffer for their terrible, evil choices, but not good Americans.

      2. I think this probably sums up most reasonable people’s opinion on the matter. I’m glad we’re out, but good fucking God, is it too much to ask that we don’t fuck up the withdrawal so bad that we make the Keystone Cops look intelligent and competent by comparison?

        Honestly I’m surprised that Biden actually went through with it. I expected him to find a constant stream of excuses to extend our deployment there indefinitely. Of course the scary question is what’s next? We can’t just mind our own fucking business and try to live in peace, we’ve got to be at war with someone, somewhere, so who do we go after now? North Korea? Or how about a good old fashioned world war, this time with China? We haven’t had one of those for a while, we’re probably due.

        1. Honestly I’m surprised that Biden actually went through with it.

          The Biden regime didn’t have much choice. The Taliban decided for them.

          1. Exactly.

        2. Honestly I’m surprised that Biden actually went through with it.
          ————
          Me too. I thought he’d find an excuse to stay forever, and he just might.

          On the other hand, if he IS determined to stay out, it’s likely because China wants to move in and start mining.

          1. Maybe Biden did want to stay. His timetable to leave was four weeks from now; plenty of time to implement Operation Squatter. Except the Taliban had other ideas.

            1. My guess is, this was all politics. His presidency has been a disaster, and Biden needed a win. He needed to do something to shake off some of Obama’s shadow. He also needed to one-up Trump, so he couldn’t just work the existing plan. He needed his own plan, to show he’s better than Trump. The change of date to symbolic September 11 was very telling in that regard.

              1. Indeed it was. He couldn’t handle the thought of Trump getting a win, so instead he took a giant loss to the face. Is there a German word for ‘so deliciously perfect you can’t believe it’s not fake’?

                1. schokoladenfarben

              2. Yeah, it’s pretty funny that, for all the criticism Trump gets about how petty and vindictive he is

                With that said, I’m not confident Trump would have been able to pull everyone out by May 1st like he initially planned, either. I’m sure Jason Crow and Liz Cheney would have found another bullshit “Russian bounty”-type intel report to pimp to the media to prevent a withdrawal.

                1. for all the criticism Trump gets about how petty and vindictive he is, Biden has been even worse, and at the worst possible time.

                2. I think since impossible to know how Trump’s withdrawal would’ve gone, we might as well assume it would’ve been perfect and rub the left’s/establishment’s face in their failure.
                  I mean, if they’re going to keep trying to blame Trump even though Biden scrapped his plan and broke the agreement with the Taliban, then fuck em. Might as well assume the opposite.

                  1. It’s pretty safe to assume it would have gone better than this, but yeah, why not. Especially with autists like M4E.

                  2. I believe that Trump’s exit would have been a withdraw and not an abandonment.

                    1. The Taliban treated it that way; Biden ended up “surprised” after he tore up the agreement.

              3. I had a different take on pulling troops out by 9/11, which that date wasn’t pulled out of a hat. I thought it was meant to insult us, his own citizens. But that’s nothing because he’s really rubbing our faces in it now.

                1. I believe it was picked by someone in the propaganda department that imagined a grand presentation with Biden on a stage like Obama, with light effects, and a background of rising soft light to make him look like a messiah, declaring victory on the anniversary of 9/11.

                  1. Now the Taliban has told US to get out by Sept. 11.

                    They got the PR win anyway.

          2. ‘China wants to move in and start mining,’ our electric vehicle batteries aren’t going to build themselves.

  5. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427680954437586951?t=86CqsHdIf_yHSaSh8OkcTw&s=19

    JUST IN – Biden pulls $500 million from emergency funds to rehouse Afghan refugees.

    1. Priorities.

    2. But what about the toll roads for the top earners? We’re still getting those?

  6. https://twitter.com/MLiamMcCollum/status/1427658106054406149?t=YZakKmdPybFJlTVgo_VR6w&s=19

    The Taliban spokesman got a question about freedom of speech and he said the question should be asked to US companies like Facebook who claim to promote it while still censoring [video]

    1. I’d like to join the Taliban caucus of the Libertarian Party. They get things done.

      1. They accomplished in 5 days what the libertarian party hasn’t done in 50 years!

      2. Edgewarlord Unicorn Abattoir

        1. 2A all the way. I want my technical!

      3. I’m on the fence. I need to know, if they were elected, what they would do about Aleppo first.

    2. Ouch. And the irony is, the Taliban virulent misogyny, homophobia, and vocal threats to destroy America aren’t enough ‘harm’ to get their accounts suspended.

      1. Yeah, but I’ve heard they’re “anti-vaxxers” so they’ll probably get suspended for spreading “COVID misinformation” or some shit.

        1. Those were my words. I don’t claim to be an expert on the Taliban’s position on COVID-19; someone (maybe you) asked what the Taliban’s position was so I googled it and provided a cite.

          Is there a reason for the scare quotes around “anti-vaxxers”?

          1. Agree. Youre not an expert. You thought the Kurds were in northern Afghanistan.

            1. Ask him for the chemical notation for “water”; always amusing.

              1. Kabul is Biden’s HO2loo.

            2. It doesn’t claim to be an expert, but does strongly imply it in the vast majority of its assertions. Odd, that.

          2. “Is there a reason for the scare quotes around “anti-vaxxers”?”

            Yes, steaming pile of lefty shit, reason prefers to infer that those who would rather not get vaccinated be seen as a cult.

          3. This post isn’t worthy of a caw. Fuck you bitch.

  7. https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1427677658796732417?t=sslCm1Bg5tQUu385AZIHyA&s=19

    JUST IN – China warns #Taiwan it should be “trembling” as the U.S. “won’t protect you” from invasion following the chaotic scenes erupting across Afghanistan amid a Taliban takeover (Sun) [link]

    1. They’re not wrong.

    2. We just talked about this.

  8. I hope folks can set aside the Trump vs Biden Blue vs Red stuff for a second and truly appreciate the shit this country is in right now.

    What we are seeing right now in Afghanistan is the culmination of a decade of complete, systemic failure from all levels and branches of our government. From State Department, to Intelligence Agencies, to our Military, to logistics, to the financiers to the political elites. From the elected leaders down to the boots on the ground.

    Our country spent 20 years to produce a technologically advanced, 300,000 man army that couldn’t last a month against cave dwellers in 1995 Toyotas. Whether you *want* to blame Trump or Biden, you need to understand that such fuckups transcend one man’s ability to execute. This required incompetence, group mentality, half assing, looking the other way, check-the-box-mentality, and old fashioned corruption at a universal level in the entire chain of command.

    This is one of the most consequential foreign policy endeavors of the decade, and the fucking United States Government just made the Sochi Olympics look like Caesar’s conquest of Gaul.

    Now while you take a moment to absorb the reality of such rank incompetence, look around at all the other shit you depend on your government for- that you just take for granted that they’ve “got” because it is so important.

    This should keep you up at night.

    1. It’s an establishment that grows increasingly corrupt and incompetent, and more and more sees Americans as the enemy.

      1. The elites keep seeming to miss that the biggest problem the rabble have with the elite is that the elite is just fucking terrible at what they do. You cannot point to a lot of successes the last, oh, 60 years.

        1. That’s one of the reasons they hate us.

      2. Maybe somebody will come along and drain the swamp. Oh wait…

        1. If we survive the totalitarian regime now in power, the next conservative/populist leader needs to be mercilessly cruel, and absolutely scorch the federal bureaucracy.
          I’d had a fantasy that Trump would do this when he won in 2016, but shut the government down for 4-6 months, fire EVERYBODY, eliminate numerous agencies, and start all over hiring from the bottom up.

          1. “the next conservative/populist leader needs to be mercilessly cruel, and absolutely scorch the federal bureaucracy.”

            The next populist leader to buck the trend will be America’s Caesar and yes, they will have seen what the establishment did to Trump and what they are doing to he and his family now. And they will not wait for those assholes to do the same. He will cross the Rubicon and bring the force of military with him (or her).

            That you are pining for this day is unfortunate. I have many reasons to dislike the government as it is, but 99% of the US will suffer under such a Caesar because those types do not survive by ruling the people mercifully. The rule by power, terror and a set of double standards that will make your skin crawl. Caesar may have been good for Rome, but he wasn’t good for the people of Rome, and while you can argue about which follow-ons were relatively benign, he also brought on Caligula and Nero.

            Nothing good can come of this.

            1. Caesar’s downfall was directly caused by his mercy, and (ok, after a couple decades of bloody Civil War) Augustus cleaned up and ruled Rome quite well.

              What would you rather have, overt?
              The continued decline of the status quo (best case scenario) or descent into full on totalitarianism following the same road as Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union? Except this time, with world government and no opposing powers (except maybe China vying for dominance, which is an alternative in name only) and ruled by people who truly hate the human species.

              There is no route to restoring the republic by doing the same bullshit that got us to where we are now. And honestly, I think the scenario I described is far too optimistic and unrealistic.
              Where do you think we’re currently headed? What do you think is at the end of that road? They’re not going to simply say “ok, we’ve gone far enough. Enjoy your lives now.”
              And if you’re as worried about where we’re headed as a lot of us are (painful and horrifying as it may be to think about), how do you think we get out of it without extreme unpleasantness?

              1. “Except this time, with world government and no opposing powers (except maybe China vying for dominance, which is an alternative in name only) and ruled by people who truly hate the human species.

                (Emphasis added)

                I think Overt is right—this new populist would be absolutely antithetical to our ideals of limited government with enumerated powers, and it would likely not be a fan, at all, of secular humanism. Chemotherapy ain’t great to go through either.

                But the above quote by Nardz really needs more viewing. These people who would rule humanity, absolutely and utter detest us. And the stink of that hatred permeates every idea they come up with.

                If they could kill us all off—to the figure in the Georgia Guidestones or far below—and replace us with robots, they would.

                1. I think Overt is right—this new populist would be absolutely antithetical to our ideals of limited government with enumerated powers, and it would likely not be a fan, at all, of secular humanism. Chemotherapy ain’t great to go through either.

                  Correct. As I posted to Ken in the Morning Lynx yesterday, the left unironically sees themselves as a social and ideological virus, in a positive light. And when you have a virus that won’t succumb to mild immune reactions, you get a cytokene storm that likely kills the host. The lesson the right is taking from all this right now, if they have eyes to see, is that the left is not only completely unable to be reasoned or compromised with at this point, they are actively using the nation’s institutions to consolidate their power in some Orwellian nightmare.

                  There’s no way in hell that any right-wing leader is going to come in to office offering a fig leaf to these lunatics, because they don’t give a shit about anything except infecting society with their mental illness. It’s going to be scorched earth unless the left gets tard-wrangled, and I don’t see that happening. And what comes after certainly isn’t going to be anything like the relatively open, tolerant society we had in the late 90s, before everything went to shit starting with the 2000 election.

            2. Sadly, from the cawing, Biden appears to be the next populist leader.

    2. For too many people, it won’t. And that’s enough, even if it’s a minority of the population, so long as Democracy can continue to be Fortified.

    3. Like we say to all the other countries we mangle things up in:

      “You fucked up. You trusted us”.

      1. “You keep acting up and we’ll bring democracy to your country!”

    4. What we are seeing right now in Afghanistan is the culmination of a decade of complete, systemic failure from all levels and branches of our government. From State Department, to Intelligence Agencies, to our Military, to logistics, to the financiers to the political elites. From the elected leaders down to the boots on the ground.

      Let’s not leave out the universities that feed in to all these places, or the NGOs that act like legal money-laundering operations, or the mass media/Hollywood complex that signal-boosts their propaganda far and wide, either. Otherwise, I can’t upvote this post enough.

      1. I agree with this in principle. It just isn’t germane to my point. I don’t depend on Hollywood to keep the lights on, or keep the Straights of Hormuz open. I don’t depend on these NGOs to manage our nuclear weapons stockpile.

        While I have no love of those leftist institutions, this is a problem that transcends Red vs Blue, Left vs Right BS. Our government is incompetent. It has been incompetent for Republicans and for Democrats. And it is not the standard “Har har, Reagan thinks the government is stupid” incompetent. It is a whole level that borders- or heck, even crosses- gross negligence.

        Before people can start thinking about how to fix the government, they need to realize there is a problem. My hope is that people take this opportunity to realize the problem that a grossly negligent government represents to our very lives.

        1. Michael Lewis, the guy who wrote The Big Short, wrote this rather amusing love letter to the US federal bureaucracy in 2018 called The Fifth Risk, which is an Orange Man Bad polemic whose basic argument is, “Look at all the stuff the wonderful feds do for us that you don’t know about!”

          The problem becomes, as you point out, what if those departments are staffed by the viciously incompetent and stupidly arrogant?

      2. I’m glad somebody here pointed that out. It’s impossible to have this level of dysfunction in every tier of government if the talent pipeline is working properly.

        1. (I was trying to reply to RRWP, not to Overt.)

    5. Our country spent 20 years to produce a technologically advanced, 300,000 man army that couldn’t last a month against cave dwellers in 1995 Toyotas.

      Hey man, don’t knock those 1995 Toyotas. They’re pretty much indestructible.

      1. That was fantastic.

    6. At this point, a massive chunk of military leadership should be fired. Fuck letting them retire, which they won’t do anyway…FIRE them for rank incompetence.

      Fire a massive swath of our intel services as well as they are either liars or utterly incompetent and neither is of any benefit to this country.

      1. Court martialed for dereliction of duty.

      2. Yeah right, they’ve got to get to the bottom of White Rage.

    7. It did answer the question whether the AK platform was still viable.

      1. Not exactly. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, the number of ARs in Afghan hands has risen dramatically. To the point that the ‘feet up on the desk’ photo the Taliban shared, ARs outnumbered AKs.

      2. And there are other photos of Taliban on the street. AKs still outnumber ARs there, but ARs are still apparent/prevalent.

        That’s not to express notions of superiority of either platform one way or the other. Just saying that this is hardly a validation of any stated claims.

    8. Except, despite what those with TDS think, many of us don’t actually worship Trump, but realized exactly how corrupt, hypocritical, depraved, and incompetent the elites of this country have become.

      I’m not surprised by anything that’s happened in the last year, and I think the next few years will be worse, possibly catastrophically.

      1. Jeffy Epstein didn’t kill himself, nobody thinks he did, and it doesn’t matter.

        1. Couple of guys got fired. Pretty much wraps it up.

          1. Yep. The ruling class had an island where they all fucked underage girls (at least), everyone knows it, and no one cares. Because the propagandists, including Reason, convinced them that Trumps rudeness was worse than a ruling class that fucks little girls, gets thousands killed for a political show, and threatens war against their political enemies.

    9. None of this shit was ever meant to succeed, it was meant to line the pockets of defense contractors, consultants, and an entire cottage industry dependent on perpetual warfare for its livelihood.

    10. For 10 years Osama Bin Laden has been dead. For 10 years we’ve heard from underlings that the Afghanistan Military was useless. The American Public was lied to over and over again, about “progress” in a “Democratic Afghanistan”. Its ironic that two politicians that seem to hate each other finally created the conditions for a withdrawal. Its like a horseshoe affect. So much lying. incompetence and trying to avoid blame, finally results in a net positive. (That positive affect being == We end the war in Afghanistan) Or maybe it was just a glitch in the matrix, either way its better this bandaid has been ripped off.

      1. “either way its better this bandaid has been ripped off.”

        I’m not so sure.
        Ending the occupation of Afghanistan is the right thing to do, but the way we’re leaving is likely to make the world a much more dangerous place.

    11. All true, but it just got a little bit better by withdrawing from Afghanistan. (Assuming we don’t waffle on the withdrawal.)

      1. “All true, but it just got a little bit better by withdrawing from Afghanistan…”

        Mike calls this a ‘withdrawal’, but then the steaming pile of lefty shit calls the capitol protest ‘an insurrection’.
        Mike’s at least two bricks shy of a load.

      2. Mike, this was a haste abandonment. Biden declared this clusterfuck wouldn’t happen and it became doctrine…except to the Taliban and the Afghan people.

    12. [slow clap]

      Nice post. The White MIkes and sarcumsacs and SPBs pretend they are non-partisan, but this is what it actually looks like.

    13. History proves over and over again that superior military might is not all that is needed to win wars.

      From Thermopylae to the Spanish Armada, from Hermann to the American Revolution, pride and underestimating your opponent leads to loss no matter how big or advanced your military power.

  9. The largest news organizations are publicly pleading for the government to help rescue their people.

    No offense but if the leadership of the New York Times were stupid enough to believe the president they endorsed would not royally fuck up the withdrawl, they can pay to rescue their people in harms way. I am tapped out.

    1. “rescue their people in harms way”

      As Pulitzer Prize NYT reporter Walter Duranty once said, you have to break a few eggs to make an omelet.

    2. I’d love to see Trump hire a company of mercenaries and send one of his planes to Afghanistan to help evacuate Westerners. Seeing representatives from the NYT, the WaPo or CNN having to step off a plane with “TRUMP” on the side in big gold letters would be hilarious.

      1. Somebody should suggest that to him as a big fuck you to the media. It would be fucking hilarious!

      2. Trump Airlines went bankrupt like most of the stupid shit he tried.

        1. Yeah I’m sure he doesn’t own any airplanes.

          Fuck off pedo, no one wants to hear from you.

          1. Yeah I’m sure he doesn’t own any airplanes.

            Renting a plane, putting his name on the side and then doing it would be even better.

            Maybe even put a picture of himself pointing at the camera on the side. That little extra edge to make the TDS-induced retards whine that he could’ve done it faster and cheaper if he wasn’t such an egomaniac.

            1. Reading the comment about The Expendables below, I’m reminded of the scene where Stallone rescues a little girl and the reporter asks how he could justify $7M in damages for a girl who’s ransom was $250K and the little girl injects, “Fuck you lady!”

              1. That’s Demolition Man

                1. Possibly the most prescient movie since HG Wells’ story Things to Come was released.

                2. I know, that’s what I meant. I blame you for not keeping up with the movie in my head without narration.

                  1. Tough, but fair

        2. More lies from turd; it’s all turd does. If it’s got turd’s name on it, it’s a lie.

      3. What? A real-life version of The Expendables?

  10. Nothing to see here…
    Not like these people get their talking points directly from Party/government leadership…

    https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1427552965586522113?t=vmyaTYIDeJi81VDZFI9-cA&s=19

    Stephen Colbert likens Trump voters to the Taliban: “Why should our soldiers be fighting radicals in a Civil War in Afghanistan? We’ve got our own on Capitol Hill.” [Link]

    1. The fact that they’re still talking about 1/6 bodes well.

    2. Stephen Colbert likens Trump voters to the Taliban:

      Ultra-conservative, gun-lovers, full of hate for others, anti-democratic, traditional hyper-religious, and ugly beards.

      How is Colbert wrong?

      1. Considering those guys are now watching your brethren slink off with their tail between their legs, after 20 years and over $2.5 trillion spent, you’re not really in a position to get smug, you hicklib pederast.

      2. Unlike the Taliban and, apparantly most Democrats, they don’t believe in torturing and enslaving women?

      3. turd lies. Period.
        turd is a pathological liar too stupid to recognize that others are fully aware of his inability to tells the truth.
        turd lies; it’s what he does.

      4. No one here is more full of hate than you.

      5. “ How is Colbert wrong?”

        Yes faggot, we are like the Taliban. It’s just a little taste of what pedophiles like you and leftists in general are going to have to contend with. Your shit woke military couldn’t handle a group of backwards 6th century fighters, you think you’re going to defeat us here on our own soil? I love that the Afghan people rejected the stupid idea of equity and feminism and choose the fucking Taliban over your woke ideological bullshit. If you had any sense you would hear alarm bells ringing. Nobody likes you motherfuckers.

        1. I’ve been here 15 years uninterrupted, you Trump-Fag.

          1. “I’ve been here 15 years uninterrupted, you Trump-Fag.”

            Except for that one time you posted links to child pornography and got banned from this site. Then you used your VPN and set up a new account USING THE SAME FUCKING HANDLE. Well, you did add the number 2 to it to disguise your identity. Brilliant move, smooth brain, nobody suspects it’s you lol.

      6. They like fucking kids too, sounds like it’d be right up your alley. You know, because you’re a kiddie fucker who got banned from Reason.com for posting child pornography. Remember that? That time when you got banned from Reason.com for posting child pornography?

        1. I did? I ‘ve never been banned.

          Or you are a QAnon incel redneck dumbass.

          The latter is a 100% lock.

          1. turd lies. turd never does other than lie. turd lies.

          2. “I did? I ‘ve never been banned…”

            1) turd is now as demented as droolin’ Joe and really doesn’t remember what happened two years ago
            2) turd is so stupid he hopes no one else does.
            I’m going with 1+2.

    3. He thinks US soldiers should be fighting American citizens.

      This kind of bullshit can’t be amplified enough. On the heels of a humiliating defeat, Stephen Colbert think the Army should be killing Americans instead of Taliban terrorists.

      1. He thinks US soldiers should be fighting American citizens.

        I used to think Colbert was just an unfunny “comedian” but now I can see he’s actually an evil piece of human shit.

        1. He is for average people that believe they are intelligent. Basically Bill Maher 2.0.

          1. Bill Maher is a sack of shit in a lot of ways, but I would be willing to wager my left nut he’d score 2 full standard deviations above Colbert on a standard IQ test.

            1. Yeah. He’s a self righteous lefty asshole, but he’s smarter than most of his guests. And he likes making money.

      2. “He” may or may not actually think that, though I’m sure he’s amenable either way, but his saying it has a purpose.
        They are laying the groundwork, psychologically conditioning the public to accept and agree with actions they intend to take.

        1. They’ve been doing that since well before the election when they started speculating that Trump won’t leave office and the military would have to drag him out.

          1. Just another step along the path to mass internment and executions

    4. I used to find Colbert funny. Trump just broke that poor man.

      1. Happened to Reason too. Sad.

        1. Many such cases!

      2. As a kid, I thought the Police Academy movies were funny. We all make mistakes.

      3. I used to find Colbert funny.

        As a parody, all he could do was highlight the excesses of conservative viewpoints, which was both funny and useful in highlighting fallacious arguments by the overzealous. As a straight man, he is bound by the lefty playbook. Exaggeration of every threat that can possibly be construed as “right” and marginalization of any success that could possibly be claimed by conservatives isn’t funny.

    5. Remember the protesters on 1/6 shouting at the police how BLM has demonstrated that such civil disobedience/unrest works? I wonder if anyone thinks they’ve learned some lessons from the Taliban.

    6. Colbert, being a good ally and feminist, will be more than willing to exchange himself to keep the Taliban from murdering a homosexual or raping and killing a woman, one expects. And, there is no civil war in Afghanistan, except in this talking point, that all the shitbirds are now repeating.

  11. Did you have Monday off? Because I didn’t see too many people here supporting Biden.

    1. Boehm wrote an article fellating him for the decision to withdraw “with humility”.

      1. It took some serious delusion for him to write that.

        1. Anybody that could read that speech and find it humble is an idiot. It was a pandering overly dramatic apology to nobody but the military, alphabet agencies and contractors who he has grifted trillions of dollars over the course of his career. The only thing that surprised me was that he never once winked at the camera.

        2. He didn’t want his Twitter account banned so he signed at the bottom of the paper he was given.

      2. Boehm can brush and wash as much as he wants, but he’ll never get the taste of Biden’s salad out after brown-nosing that hard.

  12. “Biden’s address made the case against nation building and regime change wars.”

    Well that sucks. Democrats and Biden must be opposed in all things as a matter of principle.

    That means we need troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and need to get busy changing more regimes!

    1. I have only been commenting here for a few years now. You claim to have been around for a decade. When you recently reemerged from whatever sockpuppet you were hiding in, you promised that you didn’t take sides, you reserved your equal-opportunity mockery for people in power. I am not going to look for citations, you know because you wrote it.

      But all you have definitively proved over the last few months is that you have no arguments. Even if you protest that isn’t the point of your personae, sarcasm is supposed to be humorous, if cynical. But you are not funny. You provide nothing but flaming bags of dogshit you litter about to troll any non-lefty libertarians and to provide gaslighting support for the White Mikes and jeffys.

      KAR is so much better than you. He doesn’t pretend he isn’t prejudiced. There is a bit of honesty in that trolling.

      1. I’ve been here 15 years and ‘sarcamic’ truly does not take sides

        What he does oppose are party cultists (as I do).

        Trump cultists are as bad as Bernie-Bros.

        1. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

        2. Did you misspell his name on purpose to prove you are not the hand in his sock?

          You guys are so fucking predictable. You really do think everyone else is stupid except for you.

          1. ‘sarcasmic’ then.

            Look, when you say “President XYZ did something incredibly stupid:” That is not an endorsement of the other side.

            You guys act like any criticism of Trump makes you a card-carrying progressive.

            I despise Trump but I have said many times “Bernie Sanders is even worse.”

            And he still is.

            1. It’s a sad day on Reason when you’re the reasonable one. No offense dude, but you know what I mean.

              1. Talking to yourself is creepy.

                1. How old are you?

                  1. Old enough to recognize steaming piles of lefty shit, steaming pile of lefty shit.

                    1. How old are you? I’m thinking 70+ because you’re totally showing signs of dementia.

                    2. You called a pedophile a reasonable purpose solely because he took your side. How old are you?

                    3. “How old are you? I’m thinking 70+ because you’re totally showing signs of dementia.”

                      Steaming piles of lefty shit always make baseless accusations, steaming pile of lefty shit.

              2. This is sarcs version of ” don’t hate the player, hate the age of consent laws”

                1. Lol

                  See: that’s actually funny

              3. ‘you know what i mean’ wink wink.

                yeah, you kid fuckers got to stick together

            2. No, sucking the dick of every Democrat that walks through the door is what makes you a progressive.

        3. “I’ve been here 15 years and ‘sarcamic’ truly does not take sides…”
          turd lies. Period.
          turd is a pathological liar too stupid to recognize that others are fully aware of his inability to tells the truth.
          turd lies; it’s what he does.

          1. Ask him to cite one criticism sarcasmic has had against biden. I can cote about 50 deflections to attacking the gop instead in any thread criticizing democrats.

        4. You should be in prison for 15 years.

      2. What did I say? Seriously. Let’s break it down.

        “Biden’s address made the case against nation building and regime change wars.”

        Quote from the article.

        Well that sucks.

        Translation: nation building and regime change wars suck, but the wrong guy is saying that they suck, which means….

        Democrats and Biden must be opposed in all things as a matter of principle.

        … that like police reform and such, good ideas that the wrong people support..

        That means we need troops in Afghanistan indefinitely, and need to get busy changing more regimes!

        ..there’s the joke where I say something that is absolutely absurd to point out the absurdity of reflexively hating ideas based upon the person’s politics, not the idea itself.

        Being serious all the time must be frustrating. I dunno. It was a hard life lesson when I learned that there are many people who never develop a sense of humor. I would venture to guess that they’re also not ticklish.

        1. There’s no humor there at all, it just makes you look stupid.

          1. That’s not ‘appearances’.

          2. He’s alienated everyone on the board except for Dee, Jeffy’s, the socialists, and a pedophile. All while claiming no one else has a sense of humor, that’s the only reason he’s despised.

            Seems to me at least half the board engages in humor pretty regularly with each other without any problems.

            1. I’m not a mean-spirited person who finds humor in people being hurt, maimed, humiliated, injured or killed.

              When you laugh about hurting people it doesn’t strike my funny bone.

              So I’m sorry but I don’t get any of your jokes.

              1. sarcasmic
                July.16.2021 at 3:11 pm
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                I was going to add something about people who might be splattered by the mess, but nobody cares about your alone ass. Shit. Nobody will know you’re missed until they shut the power off and things start to smell.

              2. I’m not a mean-spirited person who finds humor in people being hurt, maimed, humiliated, injured or killed.

                Lol, I wonder if the daughter you raped would find that convincing.

                Also, I thought you only compared yourself to Jesus Christ on your Sqrsly account.

                Also also, you’re a lying piece of shit as the quoted post from JesseAz proves.

                1. Your deconstruction of him in this morning’s (8.17) Roundup thread was much better than this.

              3. “I’m not a mean-spirited person who finds humor in people being hurt, maimed, humiliated, injured or killed…”

                You’re a steaming pile of lefty shit who is ALWAYS being mistreated by someone or other and whining about it.
                Hint: If 4 or 5 people tell you you’re an obnoxious, stupid asshole, it might be they are wrong.
                When the world says so, you ARE an obnoxious, stupid asshole.

              4. You’re just not funny in general. Not even in a sad way… It’s just kinda depressing and noxious how far off the deep end you shills are.

        2. Partisan troll defends insult to all common sense as not trolling then gaslights me as a humorless partisan for not interpreting his flaming bag of dogshit as non-partisan absurdist humor it was never intended to be.

          Predictable.

        3. “Nobody ever laughs at my attempts to make jokes… because everyone else is the problem”

        4. hecklers…

          1. LOL! He muted me? Looks like the boy can’t handle real criticism. What a pussy.

            1. You can’t reply to someone who is muted.

          2. You suck. That isnt just a heckle

          3. You’re just not funny sarc. And nobody’s fooled except Dee.

            1. The kiddie porn posting progressive pedo also defended him.

        5. You’re beating the same dead strawman that Reason has been selling for the last couple of days. That if you criticize Biden you support endless war. The narrative is transparently dishonest. I’ve been opposing foreign wars since Viet Nam. Johnson’s war. Nixon’s war. Reagan’s war. Bush’s wars. Clinton’s wars. More Bush wars Obama’s wars. Despite a very slow start and some appallingly bad hiring decisions Trump proved himself to be the least warlike president in my lifetime with the exception of Carter with an honorable mention for Reagan. Immediately upon taking over Biden pissed away all of the progress Trump had made. Now with his back against the fucking wall and no other options I’m supposed to believe that this clown is going to disavow 40 years of warmongering and become an isolationist? Fuck the bullshit.

          1. Can you type the words “Go Biden! Send the boys home!”?

            I don’t think you can. I don’t think anyone on these comments can.

            1. Can you criticize biden for anything? Did you praise trump for the agreement?

            2. Biden sent 7,000 boys back in, and they’re not even there to help the thousands of American civilians his shitshow pullout stranded in hostile territory

            3. I don’t think anyone on these comments can.

              Fuck you, lefty. The knowledgeable seem to agree that things would have gone different if it had happened in May, an agreement to which a US President had previously agreed.

              People screaming ‘I told you so’ while flipping you a double-eagle is perfectly reasonable.

            4. LOL, and after I wrote this right above:

              Maybe, but this was the same basic argument I made yesterday. I’m fine with the withdrawal (indeed, I was pissed that he didn’t stick to the May 1st deadline),

              Maybe if you weren’t so busy acting like such a crybaby victim all the time, you might actually be able to make a point that wasn’t doused in alcohol.

            5. the sky is blue, but since Trump said it we must resist!

        6. The problem is you aren’t funny. You just say stupid things. And your claims of “absurdity” go in one direction, attacking the gop to deflect away from the dnc.

        7. ..there’s the joke where I say something that is absolutely absurd to point out the absurdity of reflexively hating ideas based upon the person’s politics, not the idea itself.

          And interestingly enough, you only run this gambit when Democrats are being criticized for unbelievably shitty policy positions and you are pathetically attempting to deflect any criticism of their party.

          You then engage in arguments that last dozens, sometimes hundreds, of posts, and when you can’t substantiate any of your arguments because you have a grasp of logic like a typical 5 year old, you either devolve into a blubbering pool of self-pity and claim everyone who doesn’t suck your dick for you is a Mean Girl bullying you, or you bust out your retarded Jon Stewart shtick and claim everything you’ve ever said at Reason.com is just a joke, and nobody has a sense of humor except you. This despite the fact that there’s an ancient board culture around here of using sarcasm and hyperbole to make points, and nobody else ever finds themselves similarly misunderstood.

          Christ knows you’ve never been any kind of a brain, always mouthing simplistic platitudes with no ability to cogitate. But did you ever notice that, say, 5, 6, 7 years ago when you would simply regurgitate Cato bumper sticker slogans that these “misunderstandings” rarely or never occurred, and you didn’t often find yourself in the position of having to claim that everyone besides you was completely unable to comprehend humor? Do you really think that overnight everybody except you turned into autistic Trump cultists who can’t comprehend humor, or is there any possibility in your mind that maybe the problem is you?

        8. You might have a point if they actually supported and did anything about any of the things libertarians care about like police reform or the war on drugs.

          Take this situation for example. Pretty much everyone that wasn’t a giant neocon or an idiot knew the Taliban would be back in power once we left. Trump actually did the right thing last year in negotiating a peace deal with them. Biden, being the war mongering piece of shit he is, tries to delay the removal of our forces and ends up fucking it all up. Because he and his handlers don’t actually mean it when he says we should stop nation building and regime change wars.

          Not one person here has said we should stay in Afghanistan. In fact many posters were pissed off at Liz Cheney for siding with the Democrats in blocking the attempts to end the goddamn war.

          So maybe the joke just wasn’t funny?

      3. I’ve watched Sarc forever. He used to be better than this. He did give equal opportunity sarcasm, but then the trumpers broke him, and took up residence in his head. Now it seems like every single article, he has to hop in and post one of those voices to remind us that he doesn’t like how they react to the news.

        Mind you, I don’t like a lot of the tone around here, and I think others do get carried away (and I have said so in the past), but I gave up trying to bring Sarc back. Every now and again he is fun to talk to, but mostly he goes back to telling me what the Trumper in his head is saying and I have to move on.

        1. Yes, we broke sarc. I almost regret it, but he’s become such an insufferable asshole that I don’t.

          You think others get carried away. So does Zeb. Yet neither of you get harassed for it. This should tell sarc something, but alas, he’s truly broken so he’ll just keep pushing forward with his current schtick.

          1. Maybe if you stopped accusing me of having sex with my daughter I’d stop being an insufferable asshole to you.

            1. And now to being a victim as if you never attacked anyone else. Lol.

            2. R Mac has never accused you of that. That’s me. If you drank a little less you might not have so much trouble keeping track.

              1. On a related note, if you don’t want your myriad personal failings rubbed in your face on a constant basis, try not getting shitfaced and posting deeply personal shit on the internet. Or alternatively, don’t act like a cunt and give people a reason to rub your face in the deeply personal shit you drunk-posted on the internet.

        2. Problem is he called everyone not pushing trump is evil false narratives a cultist for 4 years. It isnt recent.

        3. I’ve watched Sarc forever. He used to be better than this.

          I appreciate the insight, but I would be surprised if he was ever better. It is one thing to snipe at opinions, but he engages in full on gaslighting. There is no excuse for that. There is a thread where he took a snarky comment I made weeks earlier and over the course of a few hours escalated it to that I actually threatened to dox and kill him.

          That is kind of shit he does to people who criticize him. I hate Trump, but the fact that Trump exposed so many lefty douchebags is a godsend.

          1. The worst thing he ever did in the past was troll John for supposedly being a chubby chaser, while posting Daily Mail links of beanpoles.

      4. You forgot to mention how big of a self proclaimed victim he is when people point out his bias and hypocrisy.

    2. Don’t worry, I’m sure the MIC and Neocon establishments overwhelming support of Biden, will lead to even more nation building, sorry “kinetic actions” (or whatever the fuck Obama tried to call Libya).

      1. “Smart Power at Its Best”

    3. Enjoying your switchblade?

  13. And where has VP Kammy been during all of this?

    1. Who cares?

      The VP who said his job wasn’t worth a bucker of warm spit got it right.

    2. Most likely a sudden, unannounced vacation to keep her name as unassociated from this shitshow as possible.

    3. Doing nothing, which includes not talking to the press (which must absolutely kill her….muzzling a politician? Priceless, LOL).

      1. It’s “leaked” out that she was involved in the decision to withdraw. Probably due to a hastily convened focus group. Of course she can claim that the report is inaccurate if the polling looks bad a week from now.

        1. I believe politico has an article about her involvement published a couple weeks ago, before it turned into the most embarrassing spectacle in US history

          1. But yea, she’s trying to distance herself as much as possible. Apparently told team Joe “hell no” when they asked her to stand with Biden for his “address” yesterday

        2. If that picture of Biden in the war room is to be believed, she was in the middle of the screen.

    4. “And where has VP Kammy been during all of this?”

      Making herself scarce at the TX border.

  14. This is so much better than mean tweets.

    1. Yeah, it could have been SO much worse. At least he didn’t call Afghanistan a shithole country.

      1. Notice Brandyshit hasn’t bothered to comment; we got what he deserves.

  15. It is possible to champion our troop removal while criticizing the way it was done. The two are not mutually exclusive.

    What?! That’s unpossible, you either support our Lord and Savior, Joe Biden, or you’re a filthy no good deplorable Trumpist. There is no middle ground, and no room for nuanced thinking. Not now, not ever! /sarc

  16. The Taliban used Twitter to organize their attacks, but at least Orange Man is still banned!

  17. I seen one Boehm-head isn’t enough, Reason has to double down on the old grundle.

    There was, is and always has been a military solution to succesful nation building: get the politicians out of the way. Of course we lose when we’re not allowed to win, when our soldiers get PC lace handcuffs, when our taxes fund gilded toilets for contractors and Afghani leaders pocket the stimulus.
    Germany and Japan now, they’re doing alright.

  18. https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/08/17/gut-punch-american-citizens-informed-the-us-government-cant-guarantee-their-security-as-they-make-their-way-to-the-airport/

    “The below note went out this afternoon to American citizens requesting to be evacuated from Afghanistan, @alanacbs reports. It instructs people to come to Hamid Karzai Intl Airport in Kabul, but says the US govt cannot guarantee their safety as they make the trip. @CBSNews”

    Apparently, they are not offering or providing any transportation, and flights are limited, so if you make it to the airport alive, there may or may not be a plane for you.

    This is indefensible. The US government has left American citizens, civilians, behind in enemy occupied territory. “Criticize” is too soft a word.

    Joe Biden should resign, along with every member of the chain of command given a relief for cause for this horrific disgrace. If one American is killed trying to get to the airport, Joe Biden should be impeached.

    1. Makes my stomach sick, possibly leaving them behind in the vortex of this Islamic black hole. It’s bad enough that masses of Afghans, especially the females, who found a pulse of sober humanity for a few decades, will wither away, and worse.

      But exposing our own people to that nightmare is criminal. It is the stuff of a turncoat. Biden said he had a contingency for every plan, or was it a plan for every contingency. He had nothing, except stupidity and double-talk.

      Even still he pats himself on the back for his putative conviction. That conviction, his good intentions- but mostly his hubris-now sees his brethren scrambling for their very lives. They are dead men walking.

      Take a bow, Biden. You fuck.

    2. Good luck with that. No one got as much as a tongue lashing for leaving hundreds, perhaps thousands of Vietnam POW/MIAs behind to certain death. John McCain delivered a profanity-laced red-faced, screaming, ranting tirade reducing a woman to tears for having the temerity to ask why her brother was left to die in the jungle, anonymously like a fucking dog. He got a nice stately funeral and gets to be remembered as a “hero” for crashing his 4th plane due to his total incompetence as a pilot and spilling every secret he knew under interrogation.

      1. Source btw:

        McCain was advised (Nov. 11, 1992) that Dolores Apodaca Alfond, chairwoman of the National Alliance of POW/MIA Families (her pilot brother Capt. Victor J. Apodaca is missing in action in North Vietnam), was offering testimony critical of the Senate Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs. He rushed into the hearing room to confront her.

        Award winning journalist Sydney Schanberg described the scene. “His face [McCain] angry and his voice very loud, he accused her of making ‘allegations … that are patently and totally false and deceptive.’

        “Making a fist, he shook his index finger at her and said she had insulted an emissary to Vietnam sent by President Bush. He said she had insulted other MIA families with her remarks. And then he said, through clenched teeth: ‘And I am sick and tired of you insulting mine and other people’s [patriotism] who happen to have different views than yours.’

        “By this time, tears were running down Alfond’s cheeks. She reached into her handbag for a handkerchief. She tried to speak: ‘The family members have been waiting for years — years! And now you’re shutting down.’ He kept interrupting her. She tried to say, through tears, that she had issued no insults. He kept talking over her words. He said she was accusing him and others of ‘some conspiracy without proof, and some cover-up.’ She said she was merely seeking ‘some answers. That is what I am asking.’ He ripped into her for using the word ‘fiasco.’ She replied: ‘The fiasco was the people that stepped out and said we have written the end, the final chapter to Vietnam.’ ‘No one said that,’ he shouted. ‘No one said what you are saying they said, Ms. Alfond.’ And then, his face flaming pink, he stalked out of the room, to shouts of disfavor from members of the audience.”

        Not one of these miserable sacks of shit will ever be held accountable for anything. I hope his cancer was absolutely miserably painful.

  19. Biden may have made the case against nation building and regime change wars, but it was not as rare as you point out. Trump made the case prior to Biden, and in fact, I doubt Biden would have the guts to have followed through with the pullout if Trump hadn’t set the stage. Unfortunately, Biden is too incompetent to do anything right, hence the mess.

  20. He did mention it, however briefly. “I know there are concerns about why we did not begin evacuating civilians sooner,” he said yesterday. “Part of the answer is some of the Afghans did not want to leave earlier, still hopeful for their country…

    Holy fuck that guy is a fucking retard.

    1. some of the Afghans did not want to leave earlier, still hopeful for their country…

      A gaslight so big that Afghans had to go outside and make sure their cities were not on fire.

      1. And which completely ignores the question of American civilians

        1. I’m sure that’s the point. No one wants to talk about the American civilians they abandoned in enemy occupied territory.

        2. Yeah, makes DOL’s “Consider the human element! muh Afghan tranzlaturz!” hissy fit look doubly retarded.

    2. They were still hopeful for their country, but also didn’t have the will to fight for it.

      1. A foreign kleptocracy, if you can keep it.

  21. Don’t Excuse Biden for His Botched Afghanistan Withdrawal
    You can both support withdrawal and recognize its failed execution.

    Just who the Hell is Charming Billy directing this too, anyway? Who among us in the Comments section is doing what the headline is accusing??

    1. It’s the strawman the left has been deploying for days.
      They’re basically saying the only way to withdraw was as ineptly and dangerously as possible, so if you don’t like that we have to stay.

      I’ve seen 3 clear groups in their opinions on this:
      1. People who do actually oppose the withdrawal (by far the smallest)
      2. People who say all bad stuff is Trump’s fault, and Biden is a hero for withdrawing us (most Ds/leftists)
      3. People who agree that withdrawal was the right decision, but who recognize the colossal incompetence with how it’s being executed (largest group)

      The Ds/leftists/Reason are arguing against #1 exclusively, trying to pretend #3 doesn’t exist, and becoming #2 when cornered.

      1. There is yet another option: The withdrawal disaster is obviously Biden’s, but the disaster of the entire War was the fault of all four of our 21st Century rulers in the Mad King Ludwig Dynasty.

        1. Yea, which only serves as an attempt to deflect from Biden’s fiasco.
          Everyone gets it – the Afghanistan war was poorly handled for 20 years. A bunch of Presidents were involved. Yadda, yadda, yadda.
          Restating the obvious over and over again in the face of changing circumstances isn’t profound and adds nothing to the conversation, but detracts from it.
          But I guess we can add a 4th option: people who just want to smell their own vapid farts and don’t really care or have anything to contribute to what’s going on right now.
          Would you like to discuss something that matters or would you prefer to join group #4?

          1. Nardz, we can do Both/And/And.

            We can rail against Biden’s clusterfuck withdrawal endangering Americans and their allies and leaving Billions in arms and equipment in the hands of our enemies,
            and
            condemn Trump’s, Obama’s, and Bush’s entrance and embedding in this war without a clear objective of destroying the Islamoofascists and exiting right away,
            and
            We can learn the lessons of history, don’t fight the last war, and use the power of free-market economics to dry up the Islamofascists ability to bankroll their spread of terror and tyranny over this Planet.

            And we can do it all at once without distraction…unless is someone is busy smelling it and dealing it and blaming someone else.

            Want some Tums, M’Lady?

            1. Saying “it was always a bad idea, it’s everybody’s fault, both sidez!” and other obvious generic lessons in response to specific commentary on how the current situation is being spun/received is absolutely a distraction, whether intended or simply incompetent, from the issue at hand, and serves to minimize the significance of what is happening right fucking now.
              Do you just not understand?
              What the hell do you think repeating platitudes that convey nothing that hasn’t already been said in this thread nor any insight into the implications of what we’re witnessing accomplishes?
              I’m not trying to be a dick here, but this deflection from deeper examination to shallow conception is a problem, and really annoying.
              But it’s my mistake. I’ve seen you reply to people by carrying on conversations they aren’t having plenty of times, and should not have expected anything different.
              In the future I’ll try to keep this in mind.

            2. “We can rail against Biden’s clusterfuck withdrawal endangering Americans and their allies and leaving Billions in arms and equipment in the hands of our enemies,”
              Yes, we’ve noticed and mentioned that. Maybe dozens of times in just this thread.

              “condemn Trump’s, Obama’s, and Bush’s entrance and embedding in this war without a clear objective of destroying the Islamoofascists and exiting right away,”
              Ok. Pretty sure almost everyone has been.

              “We can learn the lessons of history, don’t fight the last war,”
              Totes profound!

              “and use the power of free-market economics to dry up the Islamofascists ability to bankroll their spread of terror and tyranny over this Planet.”
              Ok, now this could be something interesting to expand on if you just skipped all the trite received wisdom and cliches. I invite you to do so.

              “And we can do it all at once without distraction…unless is someone is busy smelling it and dealing it and blaming someone else.”
              It’s like the hundreds of other posts don’t even exist in your world…

      2. *presses #3*

    2. Sullum told him about a wet dream he had involving Liz Cheney and he couldn’t get it out of his head.

  22. One military expert commented that past Taliban offensives have mostly been seasonal. They hunker down in mid-winter. Based upon that, a December pullout would have been at least cosmetically less of a PR disaster.

    The other, deeper issue I see is this: our nation is committed to providing asylum to as many people as possible who are facing extermination where they are; a few examples, Afghan interpreters and others who helped us; Christians in Muslim Countries; displaced groups like Rohingyas, press people and anti-communist leaders from Hong Kong, Uyghurs from China.

    We need to seal our Southern Border and then decide how many we can take each year from various groups who are threatened with persecution and worse.

    Previous Presidents and Congresses have been unwilling and unable to do this. There are reportedly around 120 million people in Latin America who want to emigrate to the U.S. They are for the most part seeking more money and better working conditions, but are not directly threatened with persecution and genocide.

    1. If we relocated them too Chicago it would be too violent fir them and they would want to return to Afghanistan.

      1. Apparently Kemp wants them in GA, which is… curious.

    2. And yet Trump released 5000 of them and set the withdrawal day for May.

      1. He didn’t “set” it for May. He made an agreement with the Taliban for May. And they were respecting that agreement until Biden reneged on it. Turns out the Taliban doesn’t like having agreements torn up anymore than anyone else.

      2. “And yet Trump released 5000 of them and set the withdrawal day for May.”

        How does that dirty Taliban cock rammed down your little throat taste like?? Hahahahaha

      3. It was a negotiated date between the United States and the organization now in control of Afghanistan. President Biden unilaterally changed the date. In some circles that is called breaking a contract.

        1. To shitlord, CNN did not confirm what you said, so it must be wrong.
          In this or another thread dumping on droolin’ Joe, he claimed to know something regarding Afghan politics.
          The adolescent piece of lefty shit had never indicated any sort of what most would consider an education; I’m guessing he caught a ‘background’ piece on CNN or CBS, and now *KNOWS* what goes on there!

    3. “One military expert commented that past Taliban offensives have mostly been seasonal. They hunker down in mid-winter. Based upon that, a December pullout would have been at least cosmetically less of a PR disaster.”

      And several commentators here made the same comment, then pointed out that the original agreement Trump made for withdrawal was at the beginning of fighting season, and the Taliban were respecting that agreement until Biden came and fucked it all up so he could:

      A. Steal a win from Trump by changing the agreement he made and

      B. Create some bullshit symbolic win for himself by making the withdrawal on 9/11. I bet the speech writers stage producers were already working on some big show.

      He clearly put politics, in two different ways, ahead of life, treasure, and what was best for America. It’s evil, and should be recognized as such.

      1. I’m still baffled that they thought pulling out on 9/11 would be GOOD symbolism…

        1. Different from Trump’s date?

  23. I can’t stand Obama, but I will never ever deny that he’s a pretty smart motherfucker. And he also has the unusual trait that he says what he really thinks much more than most. And he knows his old “buddy” pretty well, and oh boy did he have him accurately pegged!

    “Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.”
    -Barack Obama, 2020

    1. I was always surprised that Obama picked Biden as his VP. I’m sure there is a reason, but it was never obvious to me. There are lots of old white guys that would love to be VP. Hell even lots of old white gals.

      1. Because Obama had stepped on his dick by calling Pennsylvanians a bunch of inbred Bible-beating rednecks he picked Biden because Biden had a media-crafted image as a down-to-earth, blue-collar champion.

      2. He was likely banking on (pun intended) Biden being easily controlled, once handed the VP position -a nominal elevation, title and power. Stupid bullies like Biden are relatively easy to control.

  24. Poor Boehm. Is he embarrassed yet?

    1. Boehm is incapable of feeling shame or embarrassment; to feel shame, you need a set of consistent values. Boehm has none.

    2. Lol. At least the Ministry of Truth had the decency to memory-hole their embarrassments.

  25. Looks like the “women and girls” programming input was sent out today. I’ve been seeing that exact phrase a lot from Democrat NPCs.

    1. Biden will sniff the hair of women and girls.

    2. Ditto. The issue is, with this abysmal jugfuck of a ‘withdrawal,’ the message the Taliban has received is that they can do as they please. Media mouthpieces cascading DNC talking points and ‘experts” after the fact whitewashing won’t change this.

  26. Except he’s not leaving he sent in 7,000 troops. I’m convinced this is part of the plan to destroy America. That WANT us to look like idiots on the world stage. It undermines our morale.

    1. I’ve had that thought as well.
      Good way to punch thousands of vets in the balls, which could be useful if you’re worried about them organizing some kind of opposition to your increasingly oppressive rule.

    2. Exactly.

    3. Biden doesn’t need to work to look like an idiot.

  27. Generally, spot-on, it amazes me how many people can’t comprehend there can be a difference between agreeing or disagreeing on a policy decision and how that decision is executed.

    However, when it involves a neck and a rope the word is hanged.

  28. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/08/17/pentagon-spokesman-admits-theres-no-plan-to-help-americans-hiding-in-afghanistan-get-to-airport-n2594268

    “From a military perspective our focus is at the airport,” Kirby said. “Right now though I don’t want to set the expectation that we are equipped and able to go out into the countryside and physically move people into Kabul. Our focus right now, the troops that we have there, are at the airport. The idea is that we can get the air operations, not only have they resumed, but to keep them in place for as long as possible.”

    We have no plan to get American citizens out safely.

    1. Inexcusable, but this whole charade has been

    2. The United States’ Dunkirk except Afghanistan is not across the channel from us.

      1. That, and Dunkirk was the desperate but heroic marshaling of all resources large and small to save the army so they could continue the fight.
        This has been… not so heroic.
        Let’s call it the US’s, I don’t know, Teutoburg? Trafalgar?

        1. Saigon part deux combined possibly with Benghazi part deux.

          1. Hope not, but a lot of Americans (and others) are in a real bad spot right now.

    3. “…We have no plan to get American citizens out safely.”

      Corrected:
      “Biden made no plans to get American citizens out safely.”
      Biden OWNS it, don’t let anyone forget that.

  29. “It seemed Biden was under a different impression last month when he said he had confidence the Afghan army might be able to hold its own, a sentiment echoed by many military experts.”

    Biden either lied to us, or was woefully misinformed. So which is it?

    If he does not fire a swathe of his generals and intelligence people then he will have told us the answer to that question.

  30. Fuck this Teen Vox shit. We don’t need “explainers” from dumb kids recycling twitter takes

    And don’t import boy-raping losers who helped us lose. reason‘s gone from celebrating ass sex to normalizing pederasty.

  31. Yes, a person can hold two views. We all agree that the withdrawal needed to happen and yes the execution could have been better. But really how much better. This was always going to be bad and it certainly lived up to my expectation. Too many people expect wars to end like Grant and Lee meeting at Appomattox Court house. It is usually much less pleasant and there is rarely the compassion shown to the loser.

    People who work with the loser in any war usually end up victimized, fairly or unfairly. What do you think happen to Nazi collaborators in France and Italy after the war? The US have an obligation to help those who helped our people. But already some are talking about America being invaded by the Afghanistans fleeing. So it did not end well but it was never going to end well.

    We need to get people out, open our doors, and address their needs.

    1. We withdrew we didn’t lose. First do it in winter. Hold Bagram get civvies out. Destroy the equipment. Get the troops out while the ANA can still hold the Taliban off. Simple.

    2. We needed a President who came up with a plan to do this before Sunday. He and his apparatchiks completely fucked this up; I’m not sure they should have any further involvement.

      A month ago, China was meeting with the Taliban understanding this was happening. At the same time Biden was claiming that the Taliban would not take power.

    3. You should be careful. That much copium is known by the state of California to be hazardous to human health.

    4. “…yes the execution could have been better…”

      Holy SHIT!
      “Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?”
      Doesn’t that amount of spinning make an asshole like you dizzy?

      1. ““Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?””
        I’m stealing this for future use.

      2. There can be no sugar coating it: this could have been handled better.

        1. Some people did, and some didn’t, do some things.

    5. ‘But really how much better.’ For starters, get the US citizens out, or prioritized for departure, with aircraft scheduled, security overflights, fuel allocated, aircrews scheduled, secure routes, multi strip airfields held. Keep our allies in the loop. Have a plan for SIV holders and applicants, and keep them secure. And, perhaps not lie about the situation on the ground, not go from one ill-timed vacation to another when anyone with an ounce of sense (or a fucking map) could tell you that ‘Taliban’ is miles from Kabul on Friday meant that the city was going to fall, likely Friday evening or Saturday morning. And that’s not getting into the weeds.

  32. Fuck man all the Afghan govt had to do was announce a surrender and then hand out M16s to the desperate mfers running for the airport. There’s your army.

    1. Lol, cry some more you bitch.

      1. You’re making no sense like a dumb animal.

        1. And you’re a senseless piece of shit like a dumb animal. Except that dumb animals deserve some measure of compassion. They don’t know any better.

        2. Unfortunately, shitlord is not really competent to judge “sense”; read any of his posts for evidence.

        3. Complaining he’s encroaching on your market space?

    2. But I don’t think the average Afghan wanted to fight. It’s easy to imagine these scenarios through your own experiences and project your own personality and desires on to other people.

      1. Projection comes easier to you than most, Jakie.

      2. “But I don’t think…”
        That much is obvious.

      3. But I don’t think the average Afghan wanted to fight.

        No shit. Looking at the Taliban’s photos, M-4/AR-15s aren’t hard to come by. If they really wanted to fight, they would be fighting rather than running to the airport. Not sure I’d want to fight in support of the Afgha… er, former Afghan government.

  33. Really don’t know why we cared what government rules in Kabul, as long as we don’t let any of them here.

  34. They were sick of the occupation and puppet government. They want to live their lives, however different that may look to the west. The average Afghan probably identifies more with the Taliban than they do a think tank in DC. So why would they pick up arms to defend Biden’s public image?

    1. That’s the problem with academic fart-sniffing. These people never wanted Western society. If they did they would have either established a Western society, or else fled to one during the last 500 years.

      1. “3rd world shithole” seems to be an appropriate term here

  35. The Taliban is imposing Islamic law worldwide.

    Kamala Harris hasn’t let anyone see her hair or face all week.

  36. No,, not tone deaf at all…

    https://twitter.com/FBI/status/1427724478403039240?t=LIt4F_e0Kh_ZQgZZ7XgWrg&s=19

    The #FBI is still seeking information regarding people who committed violence at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. Visit [link] to see photos and videos from current cases, and if you recognize someone, submit a tip at [link]

    1. The #Taliban is still seeking information regarding people who committed violence in Afghanistan on 10/7/2001 – 8/16/2021. Visit [link] to see photos and videos from current cases, and if you recognize someone, submit a tip at [link]

  37. What a load of garbage. If after 20 years and trillions of bucks they don’t want to fight, then it’s on them

    This is not Biden’s fault in the least. It is what was always come to pass. Hell you could argue that Trump doing his “peace treaty” which the GOP is now all too embarrassed of paved the way for the Taliban to arrange their easy romp through the country.

    More garbage from reason- what else is new.

    1. Thank you demonstrating the leftist raping it’s strawman

      1. Just not smart enough to comprehend the concepts of a ‘leader’ being responsible for all the actions that take place when he is in chargem particularly

    2. Stick to posting child porn, shreek. It’s quite literally the only thing you are good at.

      1. I don’t think that’s turd; too many stupid comments on issues turd ignores.

        1. I agree, although progressives do often support decriminalizing or removing the stigma around pedophilia, so, the label is amusing.

    3. Earlier today, Merkel threw Biden under the bus.

      I don’t think the surprise is the Taliban took back control. The complete lack of preparation for it by Biden and his recent statements against it even being a possibility are the problems. There was no plan other than “blame Trump.”

    4. “…This is not Biden’s fault in the least…”

      Let’s seem, he tore up the agreement Trump had in hand (and which the Taliban had honored), didn’t see it as worthwhile negotiating a new one, announced the withdrawal without one bit of preparation on the ground, and then was surprised that the Taliban took advantage of such complete incompetence!
      Not his fault at all, according to ignorant piles of lefty shit like the above.
      Are you too drunk to be affected by that amount of spinning?

    5. Of all the stupid things you’ve posted, this is the latest.

    6. another euro trash post; another day of Trump living in your head rent free

  38. https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1427682081694494736?t=pvF99f00djo0zs6hmk07tg&s=19

    Taiwan hits back at China…

    Update: Reuters: Taiwan would not collapse like Afghanistan in the event of an attack, Premier Su Tseng-chang said on Tuesday, offering an indirect warning to powerful neighbor China not to be “deluded” into thinking it could take the island.

    Premier Su Tseng-chang “Today, there are powerful countries that want to swallow up Taiwan using force, and likewise we are also not afraid of being killed or imprisoned,” he said.

    “We must guard this country and this land, and not be like certain people who always talk up the enemy’s prestige and talk down our resolve.”

    1. Today Germany sent a warship to the South China sea. Maybe Taiwan is making a lot of phone calls for favors.

      1. Tell me when wolf packs of unterwassboots are stationed off Taiwan, then I’ll take it seriously.

        1. At the same time, I have yet to hear any talk about Biden starting WWIII.

          1. Wait for him to start talking about “peace in our time”.

            1. “What? But I don’t like peas!”
              -President Joe Biden

              1. Unless they are whirled. I love whirled peas. – JB

      2. Good call.

        On the other hand, maybe they just want to get in on the franchise, after Afghanistan rebooted it, by releasing Opium War 3: All that Smoke on the Sea.
        (I’m assuming Afghanistan, while the third installment, isn’t titled as part of the series because it wasn’t against China, and I’m not as talented a poet as you so 3 was easier to rhyme than 4)

  39. Out citizens are being told to shelter in place and the embassy will notify them when they can leave, in the meantime don’t antagonize the Taliban. This after we were informed they don’t know how many citizens are still in country. I’ve heard as low as 5,000 upwards of 40,000. Also, in today’s NSA and state department briefings they confirmed that American citizens will not get priority for evacuation. This after reports that the Taliban has surrounded the airport and is refusing to let anyon in. Also, we were informed there is no plan in place to send US troops outside the airport to assist American civilians in evacuating (literally one of the primary missions of the military is to protect American citizens) and that we are relying on the goodwill of the Taliban to facilitate put citizens in evacuations. And if we don’t evacuate everyone by 8/31, there is no guarantee from the Whitehouse that we will continue evacuations. I’m 3rd generation Army, my son just became 4th generation Army, I’ve never been so pissed off at an administration as I am today, and I served under Slick Willy and can’t make it to drill Shrub. At least on Saigon we got our citizens out as first priority. Sleepy Joe is right this isn’t Saigon because Ford prioritized the safety of American citizens.

    1. This after we were informed they don’t know how many citizens are still in country. I’ve heard as low as 5,000 upwards of 40,000.

      The fuck? They have a whole goddamned security state apparatus that can hack into your fucking laptop camera on demand, and they can’t pull up a passport database showing who all is still logged in to Afghanistan?

      What a fucking joke this country has become–you’d think a nation that’s become so intently devoted to spying on its own people would be able to at least be able calculate how many of those same citizens are in some third world shithole.

    2. Absolute disgrace.

  40. Watched a report from a few hours ago that the State Dept believes it is five to ten thousand US citizens in the Kabul area.

    Clinton had, “Don’t ask, don’t tell.”

    Biden has, “Don’t evacuate, don’t tell.”

    1. “…Watched a report from a few hours ago that the State Dept believes it is five to ten thousand US citizens in the Kabul area…”

      Pretty sure that’s spelled “hostages”.
      Thanks, droolin’ Joe! Now go back to Camp David and hope someone saves your sorry ass after you wake up again.

    2. That’s the problem Kirby said 5000-10000 in Kabul and an hour later Psaki said 11,000 in the country and some news agencies are reporting it could be as much as 30-40,000. I’m not sure anyone knows at this point.

      1. But droolin’ Joe is now claiming he’ll get them all out!

    3. Hasn’t anyone asked the IRS? Believe me, they know exactly how many US tax cows are in each country!

  41. I’ll bet Jimmy Carter is celebrating the fact that he’s no longer the most incompetent president this country has ever had.

    -jcr

    1. If FDR’s record as criminally negligent in excluding Truman from the late war conferences and not even informing him of the nuclear weapons, perhaps Carter could claim second place.
      The gold still goes to FDR: World war, on deathbed, withhold information from successor. Yep, dictator-wannabe winner!

      1. Carter gets a bad rap to some extent. Yes, he was an economic and foreign policy disaster. He also disestablished the Civil Aeronautics Board, deregulated interstate trucking (yes, under R pressure) and rail transport.

        And I think his handling of 3 mile island was exemplary. Obviously he had first-hand knowledge of nuclear reactors, but I doubt any other president would have gone there personally.

      2. Bush 2 and Obama were also worse than Carter, but Biden is lapping all of them.

        1. They were bad, but it was Carter who sat around with his thumb up his ass instead of dealing with the Tehran Vaudeville show. Invading an embassy and taking diplomats hostage is an act of war.

          -jcr

    2. Woodrow Wilson would like a word. You’ll need to listen to Edith though, to figure out just what in the fuck he’s mumbling.

  42. https://twitter.com/ConceptualJames/status/1427847629401202692?t=Faic1Fveu1UPBRLKEB1SZg&s=19

    New “manipulated media” warning label. Because of this meme?

    More fun: I clicked on the warning label, tried to screenshot it, and the screenshot was blocked due to some privacy policy of Twitter scoldings. Try it! [Pic]

  43. So we are going to get out 22,000 Afghani allies and their families, 11,000 give or take American civilians, 7,000 US troops, two apache gun ships (based on news coverage footage from the airport we flew in at least two Apaches), 5 or 6 up armored humvees (also based on the footage of the evacuation) by August 31st and we got a total of 7 flights out yesterday? Also, what kind of air support and artillery support do we have? Is there a flat top in the Indian ocean? Has anyone seen any sort of fighter escort for our C-17s in the footage? Is their any sort of CAP overhead? Or is it just infantry and two gun birds?

    1. Hey, one of the troops has his duck gun with him! Biden’s counting on him.

  44. From the border to energy to the economy to Afghanistan Biden is an unmitigated disaster for this country as his administration lurches from disaster to disaster, and Reason worries you will for “excuse” him. About time Reason get reasonable and starts the Biden with the kind of criticism they had for Trump.

  45. Botched is too kind of a word. Should have been getting civilians and allies out for weeks in advance of any announcement. Defend the airbase to the end and then leave. President of Afghanistan left in a hurry abandoning his own nation.
    After getting Bin Laden we should have gotten the hell out.

  46. Getting out was the right decision. The process was monumentally stupid. An instant complete withdrawal left the Afgan security forces without their US security blanket while under attack. Our advisors could probably have predicted the panicked result. We should have withdrawn one province at a time to give them a chance to learn how to fight independently.

    1. They had 20 years to ‘learn how to fight’. Instead, they learned how to milk the US cow.
      Trump had an agreement in place and the Taliban was honoring it; droolin’ Joe tore it up and seems surprised that the Taliban expected the US to abide by that agreement.
      But, hey, that’s what dementia gets you!

  47. Getting out was the right decision. The process was monumentally stupid. An instant complete withdrawal left the Afgan security forces without their US security blanket while under attack. Our advisors could probably have predicted the panicked result. We should have withdrawn one province at a time to give them a chance to learn how to fight independently. Throwing a country into the deep end to see if it can swim is not a well thought out plan.

  48. I wonder what advice he got from the Department of Defense? Did they tell him a disengagement would be hard and he decided to show toughness by overruling them? Did he figure reversing the status quo would work like it did when he cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline or when he threw open the borders? Who has his/her hand up his back?

  49. Being around 60, I have seen some dumb ass incompetent US Presidents. I’m a pretty middle of the road guy. Point being, I don’t wrap myself in the GOP or DEM flag. But this has got to be on of the biggest examples of incompetent leadership in the past 60 years. LBJ bungling Viet Nam is up there as is Carter’s overwhelming show of weakness with the hostage crisis. But crap, this is awful. How any in his party can applaud his spreading of blame can do it with a clear conscience is a mystery. It is more than clear that the intelligence advice warned of this possibility. Trump is an over-tweeting wind bag but this has nothing to do with him. The issue is not getting out of Afghanistan, it is the pathetic, inhumane way that it was done. I’d call for Biden to step down, but I think the VP is poorer at decision making than her senile boss.

  50. Timing the perfect withdrawal is very difficult. I personally failed at it 4 times in my lifetime: 3, 11, 12, and 14 years ago.

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