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Age May Trump Vaccination Status in Assessing COVID-19 Risk

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Risk calculations must move beyond vaccinated/unvaccinated, age data suggests. Media coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic these days tends to focus a lot on outcome variance between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, gatherings, and locales. Meanwhile, we may be overlooking the continued salience of age in predicting risk and disease severity.

But "in assessing an individual's risk of dying from covid, age appears still as important—and maybe even more important—than vaccination status," :

After 18 months of public-health guidance promoting universal vigilance, I think hardly any American has a clear view of just how dramatic these differentials are. All else being equal, an unvaccinated 66-year old is about 30 times more likely to die, given a confirmed case, than an unvaccinated 36-year-old, and someone over 85 is over 10,000 times more at risk of dying than a child under 10. And although many infections still go undetected (complicating any attempt at a universal calculation of risk), your chances of dying from a confirmed case roughly double with every five to eight years of age, as countless data across multiple countries demonstrated last year — an effect larger than even the most significant comorbidities. The "exponential growth" of mortality risk by age is, in other words, another aspect of the pandemic we have processed only poorly.

Over the past nine months, vaccination has utterly transformed the shape of the pandemic in the places where it has penetrated the whole population. The effect isn't just visible in countries like Portugal or Iceland — where the threat appears to be fast receding and which give an encouraging picture of our possible future — but in parts of the United States as well. But for all its transformative, liberating power, vaccination has not broken the basic age skew of the disease or offered anyone an exit ramp from it. Instead, in two profound ways, vaccination has confirmed the age skew: by producing severe breakthrough cases concentrated overwhelmingly in the elderly and by reducing the risk faced by individuals by an astonishing degree that is nevertheless smaller than the still more striking effect of age.

In the days of the delta variant, breakthrough cases among the vaccinated are pretty common. But they remain overwhelmingly mild in younger vaccinated populations.

Only 14 percent of deaths in vaccinated COVID-19 patients occur in people under age 65, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

A Financial Times analysis found the COVID-19 mortality risk is about equal for vaccinated 80-year-olds and unvaccinated 50-year-olds, while an unvaccinated 30-year-old has less chance of dying than a vaccinated 45-year-old.

"It's a sign of just how large the age skew is to begin with that getting vaccinated doesn't deliver you into an entirely new category of pandemic safety — safer and more protected than anyone who hasn't gotten vaccinated — but simply pushes you down the slope of mortality risk by the equivalent of a few decades," writes.

On the happier side of things, this means severe risk to children is still incredibly low:

"In England, the incidence of hospitalization among unvaccinated kids was lower than that of those vaccinated aged 18-29, and in recent weeks, the hospitalization rate among kids ages 5 to 14 has been only about one per 100,000," notes :

Over the course of the entire pandemic, which has killed more than 135,000 Brits, just one boy and seven girls between the ages of 5 and 9 have died; between the ages of 10 and 14, nine girls and five boys have died. These are all tragedies — and each means many more years of life lost than with a death among the elderly — but they are nevertheless relatively few in number. As schools reopened on the backslope of the U.K.'s Delta surge, there were about seven times as many British kids under age 5 hospitalized with the respiratory disease RSV as there were with COVID.

This is not to say that unvaccinated children face absolutely no risk from COVID, given that many millions of Americans under the age of 18 have gotten sick, and almost 500 have died, over the course of the pandemic. It's just that the risk those 73 million minors do face is — relative to the risks faced by their parents and grand­parents — very, very small.

Numbers like these should influence the way we think about the risk to different populations. They also show how our calculations must extend beyond simply whether people are vaccinated or not.

"To believe that the vaccinated elderly are now perfectly safe, as can be tempting to all of us who are desperate for the unvaccinated to get with the program, is to raise an uncomfortable set of questions about the way we have processed risk by universalizing it," Wallace-Wells concludes:

If we want to believe, say, a vaccinated 75-year-old is safe, have we now simply normalized a higher level of individual risk than seemed moral to accept as recently as 12 months ago, given that they may not be any less in danger of dying than an unvaccinated 53-year-old? If we are now debating what we can do, in schools especially, to protect unvaccinated children, who are much safer still, should we not be discussing at the same time what measures can be taken, beyond boosters, to protect the vaccinated elderly? Mask wearing offers differential benefits, too: according to the much-applauded study in Bangladesh, cloth masks of the kind typically worn by children offer very little protection, and the strongest effects of surgical masks were observed among the elderly.


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  1. Risk calculations must move beyond vaccinated/unvaccinated, age data suggests.

    Yeah, we’re not real good with nuance.

    1. Isn’t this what crazy disinformation conspiracy theorists have been saying for almost two years?

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        1. Or was it Emerald Princess? I’m too lazy to search for it.

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      2. Next they’ll be checking the case rate variation in different locations and comparing it to the seasonal use of indoor heating and air conditioning….

        1. you couldn’t be refrencing all those kids in the south at school with crappy ac systems pushing polluted air to everyone so they can have more infections. its always been about air flow and why its so good to be outdoors

      3. Nope. They have been working hard to discredit vaccination, which is still a very good idea.

        1. Ideas so good they have to mandatory.

          1. But think of the children!™️

        2. See, providing nuance is “discredit[ing] vaccination”. Mike is not here for discussion. Mike is here to try and present a narrative. And that narrative is that correct-thinking people think like the left, and everyone else has some sort of alterior motive.

          Don’t engage this chump. Wait until he respawns under a new sock that has maybe learned a lesson about conversing in good faith.

          1. It isn’t even nuance. It is actual facts that have been around for over a year.

        3. Goddamn, you are a dishonest piece of shit. Some people try to discredit vaccinations. But that is not most people here that you are arguing with. You know damn fucking well that most of the people on here and most people who have been skeptical of the official response to the pandemic have known about the age risk since pretty much the beginning.

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    2. Fat mike gets a sad.

    3. Nuance implies reasoned understanding, and rejection of simple platitudes and absolutes. Thus, racist.

      1. If it can’t be broken out into simplified dualities, or better, blamed on those other folks who don’t believe what we who are better, then it is too complex for most. Or, even better, break it out in terms of race and sex, and for race, pretend there are only 2. I’ve found that maybe 5%, and that may be generous, of people are capable of reasoned understanding. There is not a high correlation for higher education.

    4. We positively suck at understanding the risk to others v the risk to oneself.

      1. Keep the fear hope alive JFree.

        1. That is a rather rich comment from Mr. Free. I don’t give a fuck what the risk to others is when it comes to trying to force vaccination on my kids that will in no way help them, but may harm them. He’ll be at the front of the line to tell us how they’re still killing grandma.

          1. Of course you don’t give a fuck what the risk to others is. No one does unless it’s family. It means that not only will people not incorporate any of that info about those risks into decisions that they themselves make – they will not even bother looking for or assessing any of that info. Willful ignorance of harm to others.

            1. I’ve been a libertarian all my adult life, but the commenters here are convincing me libertarianism is worthless when not coupled with a sense of personal and civil responsibility. Without those it is childishness.

              1. So you’re equating civil responsibility, in agreement with JFree, with force “vaccinating” children against a virus that isn’t dangerous with a vaccine that is. Then you wonder why people are hostile to you morons.

                1. At what point in my comment am I arguing for mandated vaccination? I’m not of course. But you have created a strawman and are flopping around trying to wrestle it so much that you believe the strawman is alive and possibly a threat

                  1. Your entire assertion is that unless you take the vaccine you aren’t considering risk to others. You are essentially rationalizing why people should force themselves to take a vaccine instead of understanding actual risk to themselves or to others. You basically dismissed out of hand the entire premise of the article ENB wrote up because it violated your prior assumptions.

                    1. “I don’t wanna force you, but you’re a terrible person if you don’t.”

                      That’s what passes for nuance in the world of Jfree and mike.

                    2. That’s what passes for nuance in the world of Jfree and mike.

                      Yeah, it’s instructive that these guys, along with chemtard and the Branch Covidians generally, have to resort to emotional blackmail to convince people to do what they want.

                    3. I’m vaccinated, all the adults in my family are vaccinated. All you pricks acting like anyone who is not represents a threat to a society are the threats to society. If these vaccines we got are doing their job, we shouldn’t have much concern for the unvaccinated.

                    4. Case in point:

                      In a bid to change Wiggins’ stance the Warriors, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, put their forward in touch with a doctor who ‘explained the suffering and deaths she has witnessed in patients who contracted the coronavirus’…During an interview on Don Lemon Tonight on Monday, Abdul-Jabbar doubled down and said any unvaccinated players are acting as bad team-mates and citizens.

                      The player is said to have been unmoved by the doctor’s testimony.

                      Based.

                    5. unless you take the vaccine you aren’t considering risk to others

                      No. I am saying that taking the vaccine resolves the risks for yourself. What is NOT included in a risk calculation is the risk to everyone else once the ICU’s are full of people being treated for covid.

                      Taking the vaccine resolves both risks even if coincidentally because the vaccinated are not filling up the hospitals with covid treatment. Not taking the vaccine DOES transfer the risk of a hospitalization to others in the event your infection happens in synch with other infections (which tends to happen). And my solution – don’t allow the unvax to be treated for covid in ICU if the ICU’s are full – does in fact resolve that risk to others. By making that particular risk a risk to oneself instead of a risk one can foist off to others.

                      You basically dismissed out of hand the entire premise of the article ENB wrote up because it violated your prior assumptions.

                      FFS. I’ve been making that point re death a long fucking time before we even had vaccines. My only issue re this article is the usual BS from Reason. Where they cite some study from overseas data to serve as flimflam for this commentariat for what is ACTUALLY happening in the US.

                      What is happening IN THE US RIGHT NOW is that the UNVACCINATED being treated for covid are filling the ICU’s. Their average age is well under 65 and probably well under 50. Not all states update this info. And rather than update this info – Reason chooses to throw some bullshit from overseas out there that the commentariat can misunderstand and vomit back that it’s the elderly not the unvaccinated who are currently filling up the hospitals with covid.

                      THE. STUPIDEST. PEOPLE. EVER.

                    6. I’m vaccinated, all the adults in my family are vaccinated.

                      I’m vaccinated. My sister is not. While she has gone down the rabbit hole of the flimflam lies conspiracies and bullshit that you assholes keep pushing, I have not and will never try to ‘sell’ her on the vaccine. It is exactly the same problem as mandates. There is no possible reasonable public discussion about covid anymore. Nothing can be discussed without heat and resistance – therefore nothing can change.

                      And it is YOU PEOPLE who have deliberately poisoned all discussion with your utter denial of all facts and your nihilism about the meaninglessness of death. Who have created that environment. You people are evil. Whatever ‘political philosophy’ you purport to support is evil.

                    7. And jfree doubles down on rationalizing with his views should be the dominate belief system and youre an uncaring asshole of you disagree. While ignoring the science and spread even with vaccinations. Good work chicken little.

                      Lol.

                    8. JFree, what is the purpose of a hospital if not to treat those that are sick or injured? Even those illnesses and injuries that are completely preventable. Virtually every action you take increases your chances of going to the hospital. What makes COVID unique?

                      Hospitals have had 18 months to prepare for COVID surges. That was the original intent behind 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Hospitals plan their resources around the conditions in their area. At what point does the blame for a full ICU shift from the unvaccinated to the hospital for mismanaging resources or even to the government for having too restrictive regulations not allowing for proper use of resources? Having said that, I would still say that hospitals have a right to manage (or mismanage) their resources any way they choose because they own said resources. These do not belong to the community to be doled out only to the worthy.

                      For someone who claims to be a libertarian, you have an oddly collectivist take on free markets when applied to health care. No libertarian would say that a grocery store should stop selling food to an overweight person because they are overtaxing the food supply.

                    9. Stomebreaker: JFree doesn’t claim to be a libertarian. I’m pretty sure he hates us. And freedom.

                      JFree: almost none of the fucking ICU’s are filling up with Covid patients. Many states it’s 30% or less.

                    10. What makes COVID unique?

                      It is contagious. Meaning that it presents a significant risk to both staff and other patients. It is in epidemic mode right now. Meaning it is currently filling the ICU’s and forcing rationing. Those patients tend to fill up ICU for quite a long time. Meaning that each ICU bed filled by a covid patient blocks 2,3,4,+ other ICU patients from getting treatment. And actions to prevent hospitalization have a near-immediate effect unlike most other preventive medicine. Meaning that unlike smoking/weight one can take action now [rather than in the past] – to hugely prevent hospitalization within a couple weeks [in time to affect medical burden during an epidemic that is burdening medical] rather than a couple years [when it doesn’t matter].

                      Hospitals have had 18 months to prepare for COVID surges.

                      No they haven’t because, in 2021, said preparation depends entirely on the decision by people unknown to the hospital to not vax. Hospitals have been desperately trying to get people to vax. That is the only preparation they can do. If everyone vaxxed, there is no ICU burden in this country. Period.

                      People are making the decision to not-vax with the assumption that their risk of death is low because they WILL get into the hospital if things go wrong. But that latter risk is exactly the problem that happens when the medical system is overwhelmed. If they do not get into hospital if things go wrong, then their risk of death is actually near identical to the risk of hospitalization. That latter is the death risk that the unvax should be assuming for themselves in making their decision to vax because they should not be assuming they will fill up the hospitals and force everyone else out. You can see the risk difference – and it is huge.

                    11. JFree: almost none of the fucking ICU’s are filling up with Covid patients. Many states it’s 30% or less.

                      And my proposal doesn’t kick in until ICU’s are full and care is already being rationed. But for states where there is/was a problem – it’s real fucking easy to see – eg Alabama. Where the covid ICU increase first forces non-covid elective surgeries to be postponed [which will kill people longer term]. Then ICU hits max [which first forces emergencies to not be admitted – more dead people]. Only very slowly can the problem of leaving enough capacity to deal with heart attacks, stroke, car accidents be resolved. In the meantime – yet more people die – eg Ray Martin DeMonia who died of a heart attack (in Mississippi – 200 miles from his home) because the 43 ICU’s in Alabama that were nearer were all full.

                      I’m pretty sure he hates us.

                      You betcha. Your nihilism and willingness to dismiss the deaths of actual people is fucking repugnant. Your ‘philosophy’ is crap. You are all scum.

                    12. JFree, you are so full of shit. Hospitals can prepare way beyond just crossing their fingers and hoping people get vaccinated. What was the point of two weeks to flatten the curve if hospitals have no way of preparing for COVID outside of hoping people get vaccinated? For example, the hospital in my small community set up an entire wing with the sole purpose of handling COVID surges. They have been stocking it with the exact treatments necessary for handling COVID efficiently. Sitting around and hoping that people get vaccinated so they don’t end up at the hospital is the worst business plan possible. You are trying so hard to lay all of the blame at the feet of the unvaccinated that you are blind to everything else. I think all of this is more showing that the government needs to get out of the healthcare industry. They have made it too cumbersome, costly and difficult for hospitals to promptly respond to the needs of the community. This goes well beyond the COVID pandemic.

                      Also, I am not sure you are aware, but there are many other preventable contagious deadly diseases that will land you in the hospital. COVID is not unique.

                      Now, I will agree with you that nobody should be making the assumption that they will be given immediate access to someone else’s resources. That is not a good personal risk assessment.

                      DesigNate: Fair enough.

              2. “I’ve been a libertarian all my life, but it turns out individuals cannot be trusted with liberty unless they are under the bootheel of a totalitarian state.”

                In actuality you’re just a bootlicking authoritarian piece of shit, and it will literally give me sexual levels of pleasure watching you die in the conflagration you started.

              3. Compelled to sacrifice for the collective. Got it, libertarian.

                1. Nope. I’m advocating for libertarians acting like grownups instead of children and voluntarily doing things, like getting vaccinated, that help their community.

                  1. I’m convinced most of that ilk of commenter is not actually libertarian. Most are clearly just partisan R hacks here to just stir shit. The remainder (Rockwell types) are really just nihilists (and conspiratorial to boot).

                    1. Yeah. It’s the people who believe in no mandates and free choice who are the authoritarians.

                      How fucking dumb are you chicken little?

                    2. (and conspiratorial to boot)

                      Hilariously rich coming from an unironic 9/11 Truther who thinks Hugo Chavez was assassinated by the CIA.

                  2. Me getting the jab doesn’t help the community because the virus goes through the population either way.

                    I know you continue to ignore this, but it’s true regardless.

                    1. You are wrong. It spreads much more rarely and slowly among the vaccinated.

                    2. You are wrong. It spreads much more rarely and slowly among the vaccinated.

                      Nope. You’re a lying cunt. The data from Israel and the UK further obliterate your idiocy and have already been posted more than once in this very comment section. Fuck off and die you lying sack of shit.

                    3. Slower doesn’t mean stopped. So the virus continues to circulate through the community and eventually everybody is exposed. As long as the hospitals are not overrun, we want to MINIMIZE the time we have to worry about covid.

                      And now that nurses have been fired for not getting a jab, I don’t even give a fuck if the hospitals ARE overrun at this point. The whole mess is 100% government created.

                  3. Acting like a grown up is making your own decisions and not blindly following to the will of a government who has openly lied to you for almost 2 years.

                    1. The gumint loves you, Jesse. Just love it back. The Tuskegee study, MK Ultra, the Holmesburg Program and the Anthrax vaccine are ancient history! The government only has your best interests at heart now! This isn’t like the bad old days!

                  4. acting like grownups can also mean responding to the following info… which can then encompass the decision not to get the poke

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4obw7bdEVg

              4. No you haven’t been.

              5. Look, here is Mike pretending to be “libertarian” despite the fact that he is always chumming around with Stras and SPB2.

                To be clear, Mike has never had “sense of personal and civil responsibility,” when it comes to the millions of people forced out of their jobs and schools. No, we had a responsibility to hide in our homes and disagree with anyone wanting schools reopened and kids unmasked, and he, like the other children here, will NEVER EVER even ACKNOWLEDGE the costs, let alone take responsibility for them.

                1. Notice the threatening posture it presents that unvaccinated = infected.
                  It is a sick, totalitarian, evil attitude for which there needs to be consequences.

                  1. Dude, get the party started. I’ll pop the popcorn.

                    I just don’t engage with the lying 50 center. Life’s too short.

              6. You have never been a libertarian.

            2. Did your parents have any children that lived?

              1. Apparently you are incapable of understanding No one does unless it’s family. What word in that sentence was too complicated for you to read and comprehend?

                1. That sentence is a complete lie. What part of that is hard to comprehend?

            3. It’s only the magnanimity of the altruistic paternal hand of government that makes people care about their aged family members.

              Or possibly you’re just an amoral lying piece of shit projecting your sociopathy onto everyone else. Interestingly enough, the people least concerned about COVID are the elderly people most at risk of dying from it. Turns out that forcing children to take an experimental vaccine that hasn’t been safety tested for their age cohort despite the indisputable clinical and medical fact that children are at the lowest risk of infection and death from SARS-Cov-2 and are not significant vectors for its spread is pretty fucking abhorrent to most grandmas and grandpas because they are not cowering little bitches like you, and they also aren’t self-obsessed neurotic panic porn mongers and would rather see their progeny live happy and well-adjusted lives than keep them in constant fear and self-loathing in order to reduce by an infinitesimal amount their risk of contracting a virus with a 5% fatality rate even among octogenarian cancer patients.

              1. Mainly, I can’t compete with posters like the chameleon here, in taking down our ShareBlue horde. So I mute them instead.

                You do fantastic work.

            4. Life is full of risks to others chicken little. You driving daily is a risk to others. Yet I bet you still drive. You using energy increases the risk of a power failure and possible plant explosion.. so stop using electricity while you’re at it. I mean, you want risk seemingly to be zero.

              Your comment was nothing but pandering to justify your own political opinions.

            5. “Of course you don’t give a fuck what the risk to others is. No one does unless it’s family. ”

              You are such a petulant child, JFree. If you actually CARED about the Risk, you would have been in here stating that we should not vaccinate kids. That we should get kids back to school. That we should be spending our political firepower protecting the vulnerable.

              But you don’t care about the risks. You care about making sweeping generalizations that did NOTHING to protect this country from the Virus while condemning millions to unemployment, deferring necessary medical care, isolation, and sub standard schooling.

              But because you are a petulant child, you cannot possibly appreciate that there are costs for your behavior. You want your cookie, and you’ll be damned if there are consequences later.

              Give it up. You aren’t fooling ANYONE with your attempt to hide your pure selfishness behind a facade of nobility. It is absolutely transparent how wrong you are, and I can only hope that more data like ENB’s today really makes it into the public consciousness so that chicken littles like yourself never win the day in public discourse again.

              1. See the post below. The only time I thought the schools should be closed was a)in that March to May 2020 timeframe and b)in those places where the virus was already pervasive enough in the community to create problems and c)not because I thought the risk to kids was a problem but because kids can be a big transmission vector.

                It’s really funny as hell what you morons have created in your minds as to what I advocate. The ONLY things I have ever advocated beyond local stuff in CO is a)calling up the militia as the necessary first step after declaring a state of emergency to deal with the issues related to local epidemic breakout and more recently b)shut the ICU’s to unvax being treated for covid when the ICU’s are full.

                1. Oh please, JFree. By the fruits shall you know them. You are always in threads insisting that going out without a mask or without vaccination is some sort of aggression.

                  https://reason.com/2020/05/05/masks-can-be-a-symbol-of-privacy-and-personal-responsibility-not-tyranny/#comment-8240953

                  “Modern libertarianism is about jerks finding every possible way to rationalize their own aggressions against others…loudly pretending that this virus is ‘just the seasonal flu’ and therefore there is no possible justification for anyone to do anything and everyone who might do something to protect themselves should properly be the object of public contempt/mocking.”

                  Or even confused word hashes like at that ^^, where you seem to think pushing back against the scaremongering is some sort of aggression.

                  Yes, you are very coy. You support the states’ responses, but never fully endorse lockdowns. You don’t endorse the bureaucrats, but they have to do it because people don’t buy the flat scare mongering. You argue that non-vaccinated are somehow less deserving of an ICU bed than someone who smoked 3 packs a day for life.

                  You have basically used the arguments of every single totalitarian in this shit show since early 2020, and never once pushed back against their tactics- only against their detractors.

                  At least the authoritarians are willing to stand up for what they did. They have to grapple with the harm they caused, even if they deny it. But at least they were willing to stand by their convictions and state what they were doing. So may not have been an authoritarian, but you were certainly a collaborator.

                  You constantly suggested that people declining to mask, lockdown or vaccinate were Aggressors. You even suggested that pushing back against the scare mongering was aggression. You repeated the “Kids are getting permanent lung damage” bullshit. You suggested that bureaucrats would HAVE to take enhanced measures if people didn’t shelter/mask/vax.

                  You did all these things and want to pretend that you aren’t at all accountable for the MASSIVE harm that the authoritarians inflicted. Maybe indeed your plausible deniability doesn’t make you one of the authoritarians, just a coward.

                  1. That post is entirely reasonable – still. With the possible exception of using the word ‘libertarian’ to describe what is more accurately imo described as the Rockwell/Rothbard/R commentariat here. Maybe a subset of libertarian – maybe something else altogether. My opinion about that has changed over this past year.

                    That crowd seems to delight in obtuse nonsense about the correct deontology of libertarianism when faced with the covid pandemic. But instead of engaging in irrelevant arguments (because most are incapable of that), you people prefer sneezing on people when they are infected and calling it ‘liberty’.

                    pushing back against the scaremongering is some sort of aggression

                    Aggression is sneezing on someone else. It has nothing to do with a dissertation about masking or public policy. It has everything to do with getting in someone else’s face – during a pandemic – while arguing about the mask you aren’t wearing.

                    And btw – lying about every fucking thing re the virus is NOT ‘pushing back on scaremongering’. It is merely lying in order to poison the well of public discussion and knowledge acquisition.

                    1. Aggression is sneezing on someone else.

                      No one here is sneezing on anyone, you manic Boomer fuckhead.

                    2. And JFree joins Sarcasmic in thinking Rothbard is a bad libertarian. LOL.

                    3. Rothbard is evil scum. REAL libertarians trust government bureaucrats with a record of frightening the American public by telling them, for instance, that AIDS spreads through close household contact.

                2. Whats funny is watching you pull the same shit as all other other government statits here and lie about what the fuck you’ve said and advocated for.

                3. “…..when the ICUs are full.”

                  Which hasn’t even happened yet. Good to know that you have a plan for if they do.

                  Fearful little bitch.

            6. Here’s JFree advocating Horseconch sacrifice his child’s health for the greater good, and Dee squawking in agreement.

              Perfect summary of the past 18 months.

              1. It’s not alone, R Mac. I watched last week, some mid-20s dude damn near break down in hysteria because some vendor wouldn’t accept the dude’s business if the dude insisted on wearing his mask. Neat reversal of the prevailing trend.

                Anyway, he was going on and on about how this was an infringement on his freedom, how the vendor was putting the dude’s newborn child at risk (Aside, it’s great to see that men have gone just as crazy about their new children as women have done. Like you’re the first dude to have a fuck trophy. Jesus.). He was ecstatic about being able to get his next booster shot.

                People have lost their fucking minds over this, and rationality is playing as much a role here, as it did in the Salem Witch Trials.

      2. Who is this “we” kemosabe? You, JSafe, have been running around making the case that people should be generally masking or vaccinating. While others like myself have been explaining that it is best to give people the data and freedom to choose what is right for themselves without a bunch of judgey-karen nonsense.

        You don’t get to then talk about how “we” have done anything. That’s on you. You have spent a year being terrified rather than nuanced, sweeping rather than specific.

        1. You don’t get to then talk about how “we” have done anything. That’s on you. You have spent a year being terrified rather than nuanced, sweeping rather than specific.

          You people have been lying about what I have been saying for over a year because you assclowns choose to understand nothing beyond ‘This is just the flu’. Here’s me from 2/25/2020 – arguing against another ‘just the flu’ assertion from back then. FACT is this Covid19 virus is overwhelmingly deadly to the elderly, the diabetic, and people with pre-existing heart/lung problems. NOT infants or the young/healthy.

          But your ‘just the flu’ mindset (which existed then with BOTH sides of the DeRp) assumed a)higher risks to the young because the flu seems to, superficially, have a barbell age risk and b)much much lower risks to the old/diabetic because you people wanted to just lalalalala your way through a high death count calculation. It is YOUR mindset that resulted in all the shit we’ve been going through for a fucking year and a half now – and without an end in sight because you people are the stupidest assholes on the planet.

          1. That was the same month you were pushing the 2 million americans dead model projections. Why are you self selecting what you’ve said to lie about what you’ve said?

          2. I never said “Just the Flu”. I always said that the risk did not justify locking millions of people in their houses and out of schools.

            But here is your chance. Tell me that you are willing to accept the millions of people out of work. Tell me that the millions of kids who are now an average of 6 months to a year behind on their school were worth it. Tell me how many people were saved from this virus by your lockdowns.

            You won’t will you?

            1. I always said that the risk did not justify locking millions of people in their houses and out of schools.

              I always said that the first wave in the US would be a giant nothingburger. That the WINTER was going to be a big problem – and it would have been a much much bigger problem than it was had it not been for the vaccine rolling out much earlier than I expected way back. Why in the wide world of sports do you think that a nothingburger is a reason to lock down anything? That northeast area had solid reasons imo to flatten (and massively stomp on) the curve in the first wave. How they did that is up to them. Why others did that more generally – IDK.

              You OTOH CONTINUE to pretend that I am some strawman for team blue or whatever blue meanie demon your pathetic R brain conjures up as the basis for all that is good and evil in the world.

              1. So you won’t own the consequences of lockdowns.

                Your transparent game is hilarious, and I hope everyone can see it on display. Here was you last year defending the bureaucrats:
                https://reason.com/2020/04/10/good-news-coronavirus-death-estimates-keep-shrinking/#comment-8204898

                “At this point, the bureaucrats aren’t making things worse – they just aren’t making things better. And since we no longer have any sense of militia/citizen responsibility – unfortunately that does mean the bureaucrats are going to have to do the Epidemiology101 that they have been utterly failing to do.”

                It is a cute game. You jump in and criticize everyone on this thread who pushes back against the scare-mongering that has been going on for a year. You insist that they are making the problem worse. You insist (as quoted) that the bureaucrats are just doing what they have to do.

                So sure, maybe you don’t directly endorse lockdowns, or endorse mandated vaccinations. But you sure as hell did everything in your power to dispute the people pushing back on those things. By the fruits shall you know them.

                1. Thank you for your work overt.

                  Amazes me how openly these people lie about their stances.

                2. Ok so the tyranny that I am proposing there is — contact tracing? Well I will continue to call that Epidemiology 101 – and it is exactly what the militia/reserve did in those places where those folks were called in action. And Nature recognized in Dec 2020 how fucked up the US was at that function. Coincidentally when vaccine administration can begin to show the benefits of having reduced exposure before then.

                  Golly – the countries mentioned in that article that did a good job of contact tracing have mortality rates that are a fraction of ours. Indeed, they are the countries with ZERO or near zero excess mortality in 2020. Often with no lockdown beyond a local one as well.

                  Whodathunk it. Epidemiology 101.

                  1. Government having perfect knowledge of every contact a citizen has isn’t tyranny in your book? You aren’t libertarian JFree.

                3. And as for doing ANYTHING to support you ‘just the flu’ morons. YOU are the people who insisted that that be the sign on your march. The basis for public discussion.

                  Not only ain’t I marching in that parade. I will jeer you morons relentlessly because you make things worse. On the one hand – a bunch of self-proclaimed experts who can’t even figure out how to contact trace – or test visitors arriving at airports for an entire month. On the other hand – a bunch of retards yelling this is just the flu.

                  And you think the political goal is to JOIN one of those sides?

                  1. You gladly trade freedoms for security. You aren’t a libertarian. Full stop.

            2. I always said that the risk did not justify locking millions of people in their houses and out of schools

              And btw – lying about the risk in order to create a stronger ‘justification’ for a particular course of action you prefer is pretty much the height of dishonesty deceit and fraud. Maybe you didn’t do that – but a lot of the commentariat did exactly that.

              1. You just got smoooooked by overt. Just log off.

    5. I love these headlines that say what many of us have been saying for the last 18 months as if it’s some new, astounding revelation.

      1. Smile, and move on. What else can you do?

        I’ve been lol’ing at the, “Did you know that there were conflicts of interest in declaring that SARS-CoV2 was of natural origin?!”, over the last few weeks. Yeah, maybe a little bit of a clue.

        In Reason’s case, they’ve shit all over their credibility over the last few years, what else can you expect them to do? The only appropriate response is like the only scene in that execrable Jack Reacher movie that people bother to put up on Youtube: “Remember, You Wanted This.”

  2. After 18 months of public-health guidance promoting universal vigilance, I think hardly any American has a clear view of just how dramatic these differentials are.

    By design.

    1. This has been readily apparent since March 2020, but the DNC’s friends at google, facebook, and twitter have been burying this info to keep the scare going.

      1. No, no, Ken Shultz has repeatedly and verbosely explained that those companies are being pressured to say what the Democrats want them to say, and there is no possibility they lean Democratic by their own volition, and are therefore exercising their First Amendment rights to decide what speech they want to host on their own websites.

        1. Holy shit you’ve got to be the dumbest mother clucker I’ve ever seen on this site.

          1. Oh, just wait. There’s more.

        2. And evidence has surfaced saying exactly what Ken has said for a awhile.

          The social media giants are in league with the DNC.

          1. “The social media giants are in league with the DNC.”

            Which is different from what Ken has been saying repeatedly, which is they have to be forced into doing the Democrat’s bidding. Like it or not, if the management and ownership of social media sites such as Facebook and Twitter are predisposed to siding with the Democrats voluntarily, then they are exercising their First Amendment rights when they, say, suspend Donald Trump’s account.

        3. Shorter Mike: It isn’t government interference if Party Members have just joined the company as its officers. Because Mike is fine with Fascism.

          People, Mike is a liar.

          https://reason.com/2021/09/09/california-is-set-to-outlaw-unannounced-condom-removal/#comment-9091773

          That is Mike insisting that he “would never look to Rolling Stone” for news, after spreading their bogus ivermectin story only days earlier. Consider that: He didn’t apologize. He didn’t even try to ignore his mistake. He brazenly tried to dunk on Rolling Stone to make himself look like an arbiter of truth.

          The pathological narcissism required to disrespect the truth and readers so heavily should make him ashamed. It won’t though, so I advise others in the thread to avoid engaging with someone that argues in such bad faith.

          1. Shorter Overt: Mike lies. Continues to lie. You’re wasting your time expecting him to do anything but lie.

            No matter how much you argue with it.

            1. I find it worthwhile to point out the lie. The rest is cut and paste boiler plate.

    2. Weird how many of us here have mentioned this information for about the last 18 months. I guess they must be smarter than us.

    3. Oberlin College undergrads hardest hit.

    4. The amount of data malpractice and pseudo-scientific bullshit would be the greatest journalistic scandal of the last 18 months if it weren’t for the absolute certainty that journalists and experts spouted the bullshit.

      Remember flatten the curve and the scary “Hospitals Overrun” curves that were universally incorrect by factors of 5 – 10?

      Remember all the people in New York who were sure that the surge would collapse the hospital system, only to see a medical ship and several healthcare tents go unused?

      Remember how no reporter could actually call hospitals to ask their capacity- and had to just look at models?

      Remember how they started talking about long term effects to children who got sick?

      Remember how they took Cuomo’s word on how successful he was at stopping the pandemic?

      The media has utterly failed in its duty to inform the populace. This is born out in dozens of surveys that show that Americans over estimate the risk of COVID and under estimate the costs of lock downs. Such an institutional failure writ large should have the usual subjects ashamed for their role in this bullshit. Instead they just double down with the next scary factoid.

      1. overrun hospitals now they keep touting over run funeral homes/morgue big f’n deal most funeral homes in the smaller towns only have room for one or two in the first place. I live in a community of 50K+ and we don’t have very many either i know since i did the drawings for it.

  3. Numbers like these should influence the way we think about the risk to different populations.

    Journalists and bureaucrats insist on a one-size-fits-all solution. It makes their jobs easier. The only ones with any power who don’t subscribe to this are politicians, who want that solution for you but tellingly exempt themselves.

  4. The EQUAL Act would end sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine.

    They’re going to chip away at Joe Biden’s legacy before he’s even out of office?

    1. He’ll always have his greatest legacy, Hunter.

      1. His art will live on forever.

    2. Joe was the only logical candidate in the year of BLM.

  5. The bill will absolutely cost $3.5 trillion, because paying for it requires taxes and the like.

    Lol, taxes on the wealthy and corporations don’t cost anyone anything. Everyone in DC knows this.

    1. taxes on the wealthy and corporations don’t cost anyone anything.

      Least of all the wealthy and corporations that make the correct donations.

    2. I loved that line this weekend.

      “This burger cost $5. I had a $5 bill in my pocket. Thus, the burger cost nothing”

      1. If someone else magically put the $5 bill in your pocket, then sort of.

    3. In deep red West Virginia, Biden’s $3.5tn spending proposal is immensely popular

      Working-class people – even Trump voters – understand the Build Back Better plan will benefit them

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/sep/28/west-virginia-joe-biden-spending-plan-popular

      1. LOL The Guardian.

      2. That is why Masters says she supports the Child Tax Credit, the monthly payments from the IRS given to families with children making less than $200,000. The Build Back Better plan would make the credits permanent.

        So because less than 1% of the bill is supported by someone in WV… the entire state supports 100% of the bill. Makes total sense Stroodle. Most of the article is about this one thing.

        nonpartisan nonprofit WorkMoney

        I notice the questions were not listed. Also a nonprofit virtually nobody has even heard of. Probably solid there Stroodle.

        1. I didn’t realize inflation was already so bad that people making 200K need help from the government to raise their kids.

      3. I’m sure lots of people will support the BBB plan, right up to the point they’re being liquidated or lobotomized in order to reduce their burden on society.

      4. Jakie references an opinion piece in which exactly one West Virginian was interviewed and supported a child tax credit that has fuck all to do with this particular bill and has been in existence for 2 generations.

        If you ever read past the headline you might avoid humiliating yourself so thoroughly and completely, Jakie. Luckily you have no sense of shame though.

        1. Jakie references an opinion piece in which exactly one West Virginian was interviewed and supported a child tax credit that has fuck all to do with this particular bill and has been in existence for 2 generations.

          These people are so fucking lazy, it’s pathetic. You’d think they’d at least bother to drum up a fake poll to bolster their narrative, but they can’t even drum up that level of effort.

          1. Maybe if the fake poll was already on Twitter….

            I can’t overstate how much the beclowning by the staff writers over the last few years, both in their articles and in their socks’ posts, have been disappointing to someone who actually has recommended Reason to others two decades ago, and recommended Saying Yes.. specifically.

            Oh well, people have to eat.

      5. Most depressed state in the union backs Joe Biden plan.

  6. Really a vaccinated 80 year old has same chance to die as unvaccinated 50 year old? https://www.kpax.com/news/coronavirus/libby-care-center-confirms-14-covid-19-related-deaths zero staff deaths btw unvaccinated.

    1. I should clarify that i can’t see the study behind the paywall but does it distinguish between co-morbidity, “with” and “from” and other factors that would make it a good analysis or just assumptions?

    2. I noticed they always blame the one unvaccinated person, with no evidence.

  7. “Risk calculations must move beyond vaccinated/unvaccinated, age data suggests.”

    Oh shit Fist! How did you get your line from yesterday into the Morning Linx? Mike is gonna be pissed!

    1. Half Jedi mind powers, half l33t hax0r powers.

      1. I get it! “These are not the Covid Data you are looking for’); DROP TABLE Linx;–“

        1. “Lil’ Fisty Tables,” we like to call him.

            1. You guys are awesome. Always need the LOLz.

    1. Joe Biden is fucking us, I say fuck him right back.

    2. Aww, baby’s upset!

      1. Oh. That’s why you posted “peanut.”

          1. No thanks, it’s already got your germs on it.

          2. Hey, Anathema… Fuck Joe Biden.

      2. Fuck Joe Biden.

    3. Fuck Joe Biden

    4. Fuck Joe Biden.

    5. Fuck Joe Biden

      1. Farmers For Trump in force here today!

        1. I don’t support Trump either, you dumb fuck.

          1. Lol! Tell me another one, dude!

            1. Who gives a fuck what this fifty-center’s sockpuppet thinks, Great Notion. You don’t have to answer to it.

              1. I dont care. Just wanted to call the troll a dumbfuck.

                Funniest thing is I can have a honest conversation with most Trump supporters here. We’ll disagree, but you can’t even get that with one of these proggie trolls.

              2. When did this dimwit start posting here again? Although, end of a Fed fiscal quarter, so somebody had to use or lose funding -it may have got paid.

                1. I think its a White Mike sock. He started using it again after he got raped in the comment section.

                  1. It’s an old shreek sock that he stopped using years ago. He busted it back out after Biden was elected, along with his Dajjal and AddictionMyth socks, which he likewise hadn’t used since ~2017. Since 90% of the regulars at this site fell away after the 5 years of Trump psychosis he figured it was safe to bring them back out.

                  2. Nope. It’s Shrike. QA was caught using the “peanuts” euphemism just like SPB.

                    1. I’d thought it was one of Esther Enigma’s socks. Shrug.

                      It’s shitty Marxist versions of Tulpa all the way down…

        2. Man. Biden cultists get so upset by these chants.

          1. The real white fragility

        3. Have a problem with farmers, too? Good luck eating without them.

    6. Dear Lord,

      Please Fuck Joe Biden.

      Amen.

      1. Ok, I’m new to the Farmers for Trump, so maybe you can help me: when I’m faced with harvesting or praying for zygotes, which should I choose?

        1. I’m new to the Farmers for Trump

          You shouldn’t be, they’re the ones who slopped your pen this morning.

        2. You’re not unfamiliar. We’ve been shitting on your nonsense for years now.

      2. Awoman. Can’t remember which retarded simp actually used that word; fuck him too.

        1. A Democratic Party congressman who wasn’t big on etymology.

          1. “Big on it?” I doubt the pandering fuck could even spell it without spellcheck.

      3. Why plead for a non-existent Supernatural Being to fuck Joe Biden when living, natural humans can call for his fucking here on Earth?

        1. Hey guys, The Ecogitationer really wants you to know he’s an Atheist.
          Did you realize he’s an Atheist?
          Being an Atheist is pretty much the be all, end all of his identity- so please respect the Atheist and believe what the Atheist believes, or don’t talk.

        2. No harm in covering all the bases. Even if you are just as a pragmatist.

    7. (Fuck Be Unto Him.)

  8. Los Angeles will dismiss 60,000 past marijuana convictions.

    They’ve already served their usefulness.

  9. The American Civil Liberties Union apologizes for altering Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s quote about women.

    The old gal’s corpse isn’t as useful as the wokesters hoped. But they’ve gotten away with it if not for those requisite brackets.

    1. They’re literally unpersoning “women”.

  10. But “in assessing an individual’s risk of dying from covid, age appears still as important—and maybe even more important—than vaccination status,” David Wallace-Wells at New York magazine reminds us

    In the name of Science, ban birthdays!

  11. New York City can require teachers to be vaccinated, a federal court says.

    And to keep the baby!

    1. +1 Choice. -1 Other Choice

      1. One of these things is not like the other….

        1. 1 is 99% guaranteed to intentionally kill someone with unique DNA. The other is a virus.

          Youre right.

          1. The other is a virus.

            That has a 99% chance of not killing the person who contracts it.

          2. Oh, he loves babies! Especially ones that fit in his hand!

            Lol.

            1. Your arguments are getting dumber shrike.

            2. Wait, is this stupid fuck arguing it’s okay to kill someone because you bigger?

              1. That’s right up shrike’s alley of “Might makes Right”.

            3. He didn’t call it a baby. Why are Pro Choice Uber Alles people so fucking scientifically illiterate?

        2. One thing kills a baby, one thing might give kids sniffles? You are certainly correct, Queen.

          1. Or kill half a million actual people (you know, not zygotes)?

            1. Hey retard…

              800k abortions in both 2016 and 2017. God you are dumb.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States

            2. Well, Buttplug obviously doesn’t understand human development or abortion, if he thinks most abortions are performed on people at the zygote stage.

              This clown’s too stupid and ignorant to be arguing here. His boss should switch him to BuzzFeed.

            3. Did you read the main article on children being 10,000 times less likely to die from COVID?

        3. If the reason abortion should be legal is because people have a right to control what goes on in their own bodies that supersedes the rights of other involved entities (and that is what I believe), then yes, they are quite similar.

    2. For consistency pregnant workers should be summarily fired. They had access to an approved safe medical procedure to cure their condition, but they refused it.

      Not because that is good or right, but for consistency.

  12. “in assessing an individual’s risk of dying from covid, age appears still as important—and maybe even more important—than vaccination status,”

    “so the Administration is issuing a mandate that everyone stay young.”

    1. I like mad.casual’s better. 😎

    2. Rod Stewart rejoices. Billy Joel hardest hit.

  13. Age May Trump Vaccination Status in Assessing COVID-19 Risk

    Duh. Hasn’t this been obvious for months? The first draft of history is always the last to know.

    Unfortunately, their being beaten over the head with this reality just provides more grist for the panic mill, as Wallace-Wells’s conclusion demonstrates.

  14. Gustavo Turner at XBiz pushes back against New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg’s suggestion that young people are turning against “sex positivity.”

    Apparently they run in different circles.

  15. An Illinois court denied a motion to dismiss IJ’s lawsuit challenging a rental inspection program that allows the city of Zion, IL to enter peoples’ homes w/o cause or consent…

    The Zionists are at it again.

    1. Kind of a lame comment to make on Shmini Atzeret, Fist.

      1. He can probably plead ignorance. Other than you and myself, who else here would know that?

        1. Someone w/ a modern calendar? Although a note about the last day of Sukkot may be more likely, maybe? I knew the latter.

        2. I knew!

          Well, not really. I ordered some camera gear and the place is closed until Thursday, so I know because of the delayed shipping notice.

        3. Anomalous…I get it. But still.

  16. COVID-19 mortality risk is about equal for vaccinated 80-year-olds and unvaccinated 50-year-olds, while an unvaccinated 30-year-old has less chance of dying than a vaccinated 45-year-old.

    Those are pretty shocking observations. Old people are really ruining the party line about vaccines.

    1. If the damned 80 yr. old would just live another couple decades while vaccinated, we wouldn’t have to categorize them as dying with COVID.

    2. Old people die? Who knew?

    3. Not really. One of the best ways to protect old people from COVID — get vaccinated!

      1. The vaccine does not prevent the transmission of COVID, remember how they switched your talking points 2 months ago after we found out through public health studies in Israel and the UK that the vaccine has no efficacy against transmission and vaccinated people have higher viral loads than the unvaccinated? It’s a treatment to limit the severity of the illness in people who become infected now, remember? If old fucks want to take an investigational treatment to possibly mitigate the severity of their symptoms if they become infected with SARS-Cov-2 then by all means they should do so.

      2. Not really. One of the best ways to protect old people from COVID — get vaccinated!

        Or not:

        Married Michigan couple who were both fully-vaccinated but had underlying health conditions die of COVID just ONE MINUTE apart while holding hands

        1. Instead of the notebook their story was stamped out in old license plate phrases

  17. “The “exponential growth” of mortality risk by age is, in other words, another aspect of the pandemic we have processed only poorly.”

    Everyone has always known about this, except the fascist politicians, the media, most federal judges, and the experimental vaccine manufacturers with guaranteed markets and immunity from lawsuits.
    (and lots of them know it, they just refuse to acknowledge it)

    1. You forgot Democrats, college students, and sheeple.

      1. But he said “ fascist politicians, the media,” so he really only missed college students.

        1. Some of those interns aren’t libertarians or conservatives. And most folks don’t seem to progress past HS or university in terms of intellectual or emotional development. This may be a reason, in conjunction with clearly poor education, for the clownish outrage and resentment culture the post-industrial societies have become.

        2. With social media, college students fit both categories.
          (Besides, I type slowly)

  18. Los Angeles will dismiss 60,000 past marijuana convictions.

    Now those people will totes get their lives back.

    1. Only if they get “vaccinated “.

  19. “just one boy and seven girls between the ages of 5 and 9 have died; between the ages of 10 and 14, nine girls and five boys have died.”

    Well damn, it turns out the Communist Chinese Virus is sexist.

    1. The vaccine will fix that.

    2. What did they identify as?

    3. The Chinese never liked girl children.

  20. 2 things stand out:
    – Vaccines work astoundingly well

    I don’t see anything coming close to any definition of 95% effective. Table 2a, where the case numbers for the unvaccinated is higher among every age group 40-80 stands out as well.

    1. Compare share of infections to vax/unvaxed share of population in each age cohort. Looks like the vaccinated make up some 55% of the age 40-49 case load, but considering the age skews on vaccines you’d expect them to make up 85%+ of that cohort’s population.

      This is to say that the chart isn’t rate of infection per 100K vaxed 40-49 YOs vs. 100K unvaxed, but the overall rate of infection (~2000 per 100K) split according to vaccine status.

      1. Looks like the vaccinated make up some 55% of the age 40-49 case load, but considering the age skews on vaccines you’d expect them to make up 85%+ of that cohort’s population.

        We’ve so thoroughly fudged the definitions that it’s hard to say anything stands out except what’s in contradiction with conventional thinking:

        Over 95% of adults aged 17 or older have
        antibodies from either infection or vaccination.

        Bottom line, either the vaccines are of marginal utility or the data is of marginal utility.

        1. Probably a little of both. I also think it means that antibody prevalence doesn’t bear much impact on case load, further reinforcing the fact that “case” is a stupid metric that shouldn’t appear anywhere anymore.

          COVID management needs to have its quant reinforced by some qual, especially in a place like the UK which has so clearly reached the end game of an endemic virus and almost entirely non-naive population.

          1. BTW, I would love to have one of those charts for the US. Can you dig one up on the CDC’s website?

    2. Yeah those charts can’t tell you the effectiveness of the vaccine because they don’t measure the same thing as effectiveness.

      A 95% effective vaccine should mean that if a transmission rate would yield 100 infected people, then vaccinated people would expect only 5 of those people to get vaccinated.

      The problem with the above data is that it only tells us about people we know to be infected. We don’t know how many were exposed to transmission.

      1. The latest estimates indicate that the vaccination programme has directly averted over 143,600 hospitalisations. Analysis on the direct and indirect impact of the vaccination
        programme on infections and mortality, suggests the vaccination programme has prevented between 24.4 and 24.9 million infections and between 108,600 and 116,200 deaths.

        Interesting that they forecast a 75% fatality rate among the ‘saved’ despite the fact that their own data indicates only an ~25% fatality rate even among the worst cohort.

        Maybe they’re factoring in the synergistic efficacy of socialized medicine.

        1. Interesting that they forecast a 75% fatality rate among the ‘saved’

          Sorry, ‘hospitalized, but saved’.

  21. Jen Psaki: It’s “unfair and absurd” that companies would increase costs for consumers in response to us taxing them more.

    Obviously the solution is to cut out the middleman and just tax consumers more.

    1. I find it absurd that they call this absurd.

    2. Nobody needs 27 kinds of profits.

      1. And certainly not the kind of profits that go up.

    3. Last I checked, taxes showed up on the liabilities side of an accounting ledger.

      1. Look, taxes are not a financial thing. Taxes are a moral justice thing.

    4. Rich, Rich, Rich….c’mon guy. Psaki works for a guy who just told the American people that the 3.5T Build Back Better proposal cost will be ZERO. She cannot be held responsible for economic illiteracy.

      1. Expect that stupid talking point to cascade, and be accepted as sacrosanct. To question it will be to express a hatred for poor people, children, minorities, the usual smears.

    5. Isn’t it “unfair and absurd” that the government would increase costs for consumers in response to the government spending more?

    6. Psaki’s a communist, but even she knows that’s wrong. Unfortunately her job requires her to say something.

      And I’m still convinced she wants Pete Doocy to back her up against a wall and push her dress up.

      1. Someone here said it a while back. The politics match the drapes.

        Seems like hyperbole until a statement like this comes out of her.

        1. That was me.

    7. Am wondering if this is a lead-in to a DNC push for VAT. Biden administration and DNC pretty clearly scrambling to find funding for and justify massive price tag for their horrific social programs bills.

      1. “Am wondering if this is a lead-in to a DNC push for VAT.”

        You and me both. Where else can they find additional taxation spaces? Europe does it, after all…

        We’re going to be serfs, if they have anything to say about it, and if we keep following the law.

    8. “Everything Is So Unfair And Absurd!”

      Meh.

  22. In the wake of the Arizona debacle Trump doubles down on his election conspiracies.

    Don, they’re just not that into you!

    1. “stop the count!” Trump tweeted cryptically Thursday morning.

      Count the votes or stop the count? Two conflicting Republican protests have emerged across the US, with some Trump voters demanding that election official…

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq1vWMCIF-M

      1. I’m thrice divorced, what’s wrong with women today?

        1. Same as it ever was. What’d you expect from a rib bone?

          1. What’d you expect from a rib bone?

            60-70 more IQ points than you have, Jakie.

        2. Maybe they don’t want to be married to a queen.

        3. Your sexual abuse victims reaching adolescence isn’t really “divorce” in the conventional sense, shreek.

      2. Uh, Jakie… that’s a video from 11 months ago. I know Trump used eminent domain to permanently acquire all the real estate between your ears, but you reposting things he said almost a year ago does not constitute Trump “doubling down”.

        Also, the AZ “debacle” found tens of thousands of illegally cast votes and you’re referring only to a recount of fabricated ballots. Here again, reading past the headline would be helpful if you had any sense of shame.

    2. Ha ha. Can’t let go of Trump.

    3. But apparently still in your head.

      1. Or the heads of every GOP official?

        1. What I love about people like Earth Skeptic is they certainly are embarrassed by Trump, but also realize he’s their Dear Leader. So the result is to handwave the leader of one of our two parties and his craziness away.

          Must be tough.

          1. I’m sure you are beaming with pride about SleepyJoe

            1. He’s a dull dunce, but irrelevant, Trump’s the Cult Leader here. Look at these farmers who worship him. He’ll save ALL THE BABIES!

              They’re not incels, no, not them. They just LOVE BABIES. Lol.

              1. If you want evidence of how the Democrats have become the party of Moloch, taking overweening delight in misanthropy, you only have to look at this stupid fuck.
                He thinks that it’s a great idea to hate on babies.

                They can thank hell for fortified elections and the brown-envelope press, because in a sane society they’d be treated like the garbage that they are.

                1. Shreek’s obsession with babies is particularly creepy considering his predilection for pedophilia and having posted child pornography at Reason.com.

          2. Man. The strawman the leftists have here is stunning.

            Did you actually read the report “peanut” or just Act Blues summary?

            1. You assume they read? I thought they just made shit up and went with it. 🙂

            2. Oh, this is great. It showed the Big Steal, amirite?

              1. Answer the question shrike. Why are you dodging.

              2. Did you actually read the report or just Act Blues summary?

                1. Bear in mind shreek is still proclaiming that the Mueller report concluded that Trump personally and directly colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the election from Hillary Clinton. Like, he’s not saying that’s his opinion, he’s literally saying that the Mueller report literally concluded that Trump personally and directly colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the election from Hillary Clinton.

          3. Not really.

            BTW, congrats on making the lede photo today.

          4. But an octogenarian candidate who only appeared by 30-minute pre-recorded video during the campaign received a record number of votes. No hand-waving needed.

          5. Oh my god you are a fucking retard. Trump is a fucking idiot and there are some funny things about the election. Those are perfectly compatible things to believe. Just because you can’t imagine anything other than blindly following someone’s lead doesn’t mean others aren’t able to think with nuance and make distinctions.

      2. The dude is signaling he is going to run for President in 2024. That makes him still relevant and newsworthy.

        1. In the same sense that he “signaled” his supporters to murder Brian Sicknick with a fire extinguisher you lying sack of shit.

        2. In 2024 Trump will be as old as Biden is now.
          Which is obviously way too old.

          1. Trump was already way too old when he ran in 2016.

    4. It’s sad at this point. I don’t know which is sadder, his complete break with truth, or the people who show up at the rallies and swallow his blatant lies.

      1. Hey remember how you spent 3 months telling us that Brian Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher even though the story was retracted by NYT within a week of publication?

        1. Haha! Oh, classic White Knight….

  23. Media coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic these days tends to focus a lot on outcome variance between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, gatherings, and locales. Meanwhile, we may be overlooking the continued salience of age in predicting risk and disease severity.

    No fucking shit? Welcome to last year.

    Now discuss natural death rates pre covid for those age groups.

    1. “in assessing an individual’s risk of dying from covid, age appears still as important—and maybe even more important—than vaccination status,” </i[

      Not a maybe.

    2. Here is a link to a life insurance risk perdiction for death based on age. Not really that different for % covid deaths by age.
      https://www.finder.com/life-insurance/odds-of-dying

      1. Nope. Just about the same. Which should be a tell about the virus.

    3. “Media coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic these days tends to focus a lot on outcome variance between vaccinated and unvaccinated people,”

      It is hilarious that just yesterday ENB posted this exact narrative.

  24. “Feminists for Liberty, the libertarian feminist group I help run”

    How to Be a “Feminist” Without Upsetting Your Dad and/or Boyfriend Wins!

    1. Right. What fun is being a feminist (or any -ist) if you can’t make demands and annoy people?

      1. Anything that challenges your position upsets you, so what’s the point?

        Don’t pick up whiny babies because they are whining. You just encourage it.

        1. “Don’t pick up whiny babies because they are whining. You just encourage it.”

          And yet you persist.

          1. I persist in not picking up whiny babies like you, yes.

            1. Fuck off and die, queen asshole

            2. shreek only fucks children, he doesn’t pick them up.

    2. No True Scotsman. Misogynist.

      No True Scotswoman. Anti-Trans.

      No True Scotsperson. Colonialist.

      No True Person. Anti-non-binary.

      No Person.

      1. No objective truth.

        1. Objectivity is a tool of the white cishetero patriarchy. Only truth matters.

          1. Only if truth comes from lived experience.

            1. My observation has been that those folks whose ‘lived experience’ is held up, revered, haven’t experienced much, have done very little living. What they have done is a lot of dramatizing and selective historical editing to cast themselves in a position where they appear as hero/victim.

  25. GOP senators are trying to stop biden from issuing dishonorable discharges for troops who refuse vaccinations.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/gop-senators-move-to-protect-military-from-dishonorable-discharges-under-biden-vaccine-order

    1. Charging the enemy I’m fine with but shots are so scarry!

      1. Needle rape

        1. Indeed, traumatized by a shot.

          1. It’s not the shot, it’s the force.
            Dummy

            1. You’re Not My Dad, You Can’t Tell Me What To Do!

              Let’s do stop signs next, TYRANNY!

            2. It’s the fucking military. They can order you to jump out of a plane or charge a machine gun. These guys should be kicked out because they’re crappy soldiers.

              1. But they can’t order needle rape!!!!

                Next thing you know they’ll order you to STAND IN LINE for stuff!

                It’s the CONTROL, dummy!

                1. You too are oddly comfortable with government force. Well not oddly. It is what you support.

                  1. What? I’m the one advocating for rebelling against the TYRANNY of having to STAND IN LINES for stuff. You think that’s ok? Fuck off, slaver!!!

                    1. Youre literally supporting government force.

                    2. Queen asshole makes no attempt to be other than a backer of government intrusion in YOUR life.
                      She is a steaming pile of lefty shit.

                    3. Standing in line is exactly like being forced to inject an experimental chemical into your body in precisely the same way that a child playing in the park is the same as you kidnapping them and shoving your cock up their ass, shreek, you degenerate pedophile fuck.

              2. So it’s ok to shoot up kids in a village if ordered?

                1. It is with a vaccine.

                2. Are we talking about your kids?

                  1. Only if you’re standing in the vicinity.

                3. Lol, this guy suddenly and selectively is now critical of the military.

                  The next time Trump asks for the DOD budget to be expanded he’ll fall into line.

                  1. Can you leftists go 3 comments without a strawman?

                    1. No, they cannot. It is physiologically impossible for them.

                    2. Lol, dude, you’re the Scarecrow from OZ.

                    3. If steaming piles of lefty shit didn’t have strawmen, they wouldn’t have an argument.

                  2. Hey remember how Trump didn’t start any new wars in 4 years and ended 3 of the ones started by Biden’s former boss, and also negotiated the end of the one in Afghanistan that Biden fucked up so spectacularly that he got over a dozen Americans killed in that country for the first time in 2 years? I’m sure Biden will get around to just slashing that military budget any day now though. After all, we’ll save a fortune by putting boots back on the ground in Syria.

                    Seriously shreek, just shut the fuck up and stick to posting child porn you idiotic fucking clown.

                4. If they are ordered to do so and refuse, they are oath keepers and must be purged

                5. The military MUST refuse illegal orders, which is why the chairman of the joint chiefs was obligated to order generals over whom he has no authority to disobey the commander in chief in the hypothetical event of a war with China and also had to alert the Chinese military that he would warn them of any military action ordered by the commander in chief. Except when a politically purged praetorian guard are ordered to fire upon American citizens who are insufficiently worshipful of the president, or when they are ordered to inject themselves with experimental chemicals after a century long history of being used as lab rats.

              3. It’s the fucking military. They can order you to jump out of a plane or charge a machine gun. These guys should be kicked out because they’re crappy soldiers.

                Yeah, it’s not like they have recent history to consider here like the anthrax shot.

              4. How do you know what their capability, record, and potential is? Your bias and bigotry gives you special insight into the matter without the need for context or case by case details? You’re a seer of bigotry?

      2. Information seems scary to you for sure. Take a look at past vaccinations in the armed services and the outcomes. Start w anthrax.

        1. Military family here, vaccinations were routine. Before Deseret Storm there was a volley of them. This is just being politicized.

          1. So you didn’t look up the information. Got it.

            You revel in ignorance “peanut ” lol.

            1. You’re in no position to judge any ‘information’ on this subject.

              Did you stay in a Holiday Express last night? Lol.

              You’re talking out your ass. Some people think that’s manly, but it takes more of a man to acknowledge when you don’t know wtf you’re talking about.

              1. I gave you a specific topic to look up. And you refuse. Like a good little ignorant David brock soldier.

          2. Military family here, vaccinations were routine. Before Deseret Storm there was a volley of them. This is just being politicized.

            Oh, you mean like the anthrax vaccine that caused Gulf War Syndrome? Someone from a military family should have remembered that, considering it was a controversy all the way into the mid-2000s.

            1. I was hoping shrike would continue to remain intentionally ignorant about the anthrax vaccine.

          3. Deseret Storm? Did you invade Utah?

            1. No, that was KARen.

              It didn’t go well.

      3. You might not remember from the Iraq war that there were apparently some bad effects from anti bio weapon vaccines/prophylactic injections the troops were made to take. I think there is some institutional memory among the rank and file not to take authority’s happy talk about such medicine at face value.

        1. This has never once come up in hundreds of comments I’ve seen here, on Twitter and elsewhere.

          1. That’s because you’re an ignorant piece of shit who lives in a radical Marxist circle jerk. Remember how you pathetically tried to recruit followers to your equally pathetic Quora blog?

          2. You know the story of the anthrax vaccine you’re just bullshitting, poorly.

    2. Other than honorable is more than enough for refusal, not to deploy, but to receive a non-FDA-approved vaccine. Am eager to see how the left-leaning folks who cheer on Manning, the other clowns who knowingly violate oath and disobey orders take this.

      1. Why, Hank? They’re going to support it whole-heartedly.

        Honestly, I could see just giving people GDs. It’s comparatively easier, and gets them out of your hair.

        Assisting the devolution of our Armed Forces towards a Latin American model, where they’re only good for acting against their own citizenry.

    3. A DD’s a felony, for those playing along at home. It’s a really Big Fucking Deal (as opposed to a Big Chicken Dinner). It isn’t handed out—usually—for anything less than serious felonies.

      If this were a competent dictatorship, it should love the opportunity to purge those not mentally-aligned with the current regime, by getting them out of the Service as soon as possible. That means administrative discharges.

    1. Only because they were caught.

    2. Can you imagine being the kind of person who thought this was a good idea?

      1. Yes, they work at the A’CL’U.

      2. No imagination required: Read, oh, any of Mike’s or turd’s posts. They, among others, treat truth as if it were a construct.

  26. Marine sent to the brig for speaking out against leadership.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/marine-criticized-military-leadership-brig-hearing-afghanistan

    Too bad he didn’t run to impeachment or he’d be protected.

  27. Old people die more than young people.

    Do progressives feel conflicted, because inequality? Or, given the skewness of progressive’s ages, are they smugly thinking “OK, Boomer”?

    1. I know a lot of red-pilled millennials who watched with horror this last year as old people afraid of the WuFlu destroyed their livelihoods. They quickly realized that their cohort was being used as tools to protect the affluent.

      Unfortunately I also know about 3x as many millennials who cheered it all on, because they worked at the right hand of these affluent older people- in tech companies and consulting firms. Those millennials no shit think the WuFlu is going to kill them, despite being in one of the lowest risk groups.

    2. Given more kids are dying from the vax than ‘rona, it seems the vax push is rooted in equity.
      https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221475002100161X#bib0020

    3. Um, does that calculation include abortions?

  28. “Jen Psaki, White House press secretary, calls it “unfair and absurd” that companies may pass on the costs of increased taxes to consumers.”

    Really this feckless cunt needs to be fired. She is one of the stupidest women in government, not that the bar is very high.

    I would have said body with vagina, but I cannot confirm that.

    1. Three sentences! You go Buckie! Personal best!

      1. Too difficult for you to follow there shreek? More accustomed to the wordless cries of the pre-verbal children you fuck?

    2. Also unfair and very, very mean if in response to mandated minimum wage increases, businesses reduce hours or replace people with machines.

      In the White House world that Psaki speaks for, “jobs” are just wage delivery schemes that have nothing to do with production and value. Once the right top men (with or without vaginas) figure things out, they will set wages, prices, employment quotas, and production targets.

      1. God knows wages and price controls worked perfectly in the seventies.

      2. Every 5 years or so.

  29. The J and J is just one shot. You’ve certainly got many vaccination shots in your life. Stop being pussies, man up and get it.

    1. Fuck you, and fuck your master Joe Biden

      1. His mind control is via the Batman Mad Hatter. Notice how it controls nearly all medical professionals, even those in other countries!

        We’re through the looking glass here, people. Do your own research on the internet for all medical decisions!

        1. Right, do your own research and don’t listen to cunts on comment sections.

          1. Totally! If you get cancer you should totally not go to ‘doctors’ but do your own research on Facebook to get the cure. Anything else would be undercutting your manhood and/or intelligence!

            1. I fir one am shocked that peanut created another strawman

              1. Strawman? Look, you think those doctors around the world are just lying to us about the vaccine? Naive! It’s all a conspiracy, of course, we need to revert to shamans and doula’s, amirite?

                1. Strawman, queen asshole.

                2. You literally countered with another strawman. LOL.

                3. I don’t think most here don’t think the vaccine works in some way, it’s rather how it’s reported to work, who really needs it, and why can’t foot stompers take care of themselves.

        2. Appeal to consensus works better when there’s at least a pretense of consensus. There are thousands and thousands of medical professionals questioning the wisdom of using an investigational vaccine for non-high risk groups, including the inventor of mRNA vaccine technology.

          Stick to fucking children, shreek.

    2. Just submit your life fully to the government already peanut.

    3. Hey look, QA and the other leftrolls are mad that the country is looking at the data. So now its time to stomp the feet and throw a temper tantrum to distract.

      It is so fucking predictable. Afghanistan is a mess? Let’s start talking about mandates. People realize you don’t need to poke babies in the arm to vaccinate them against a 0-risk virus? Call everyone pussies.

      The poor dears just cannot help themselves. I’d say it was a Pavlovian response, but that’d be sort of an insult to dogs. This is more like insect hard wiring of the nervous system.

    4. Stuff it up your ass, queen asshole.

    5. Because all shots are exactly the same! And everybody’s health is exactly the same! One size fits all! Besides, it’s not as if the medical establishment ever makes mistakes! And the government…well, to even consider the possibility that they’re wrong is…is…just evil!

    6. The J&J shot is also the least effective one, with the worst side effects. I’m surprised it wasn’t pulled when 2 superior alternatives became available. I wonder which neighborhoods they sent it to instead of pulling it….

      1. But the single shot is appealing to people who just get it so they can do stuff that requires it.

        1. It also has the advantage of not being based on a still-investigational technology whose inventor disavows its use. On the other hand, it’s still based on aborted fetal cell lines. So anyone with religious objections to abortion would certainly want to steer clear.

  30. WH pinky swears Canada didn’t release the Huawei CEO from jail in exchange for China releasing Canadian citizens.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/psaki-no-link-huawei-cfo-release-china-freeing-canadian-michaels

    1. In a related item, Psaki disavows any knowledge of the rumor that the sun may rise in the east tomorrow.

  31. “‘Jen Psaki: It’s “unfair and absurd” that companies would increase costs for consumers in response to us taxing them more.”‘

    So, when the taxes and other expenses on my two rental properties increase (as they inevitably will — and have — over the years), is it “unfair and absurd” that I occasionally have to increase my rent?

    Jen Psaki has the intellectual acuity somewhere below that of the dumbest of my pet cats. WAY below.

    1. Well, of course it’s unfair and absurd! Just go to your vault and scoop out some of those gold coins you go swimming in, Mr Scrooge McDuck!

    2. Disagree. I don’t think she’s dumb at all. The situation she has to stand up there and ‘defend’ against a pet Press Corps, OTOH, is dumb as fuck.

      You could stick Clarence Darrow there, and he’d look equally as foolish.

      1. “Disagree. I don’t think she’s dumb at all.”

        You are probably correct, in the abstract. On the other hand: stupid is as stupid says.

  32. “WASHINGTON—The American Dental Association is mobilizing its 162,000 members to fight a proposal to include dental coverage for all Medicare recipients, opposition that could prove pivotal as Democrats look to make cuts in their $3.5 trillion domestic policy agenda. . . .

    The ADA is one of Washington’s most powerful health professional organizations, doling out more in campaign contributions last year than even the political-action committee for the American Medical Association, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.”

    —-WSJ

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/dentists-group-fights-plan-to-cover-dental-benefits-under-medicare-11632735002?

    Contrary to what you may have heard, Medicaid and Medicare cover a fraction of the cost of care, and just because neither the taxpayer nor the patient pays for the service, doesn’t mean it those costs just disappear into the ether. This is what forces Medicaid and Medicare providers to jack up the costs for their services and gouge private insurers and private pay patients for what Medicaid and Medicare doesn’t pay.

    The American Dental Association isn’t falling for it. They’re not about to make more money by losing money on every Medicare or Medicaid patient over 65 and then make up the difference by jacking up the price of dental work for kids. Cosmetic dentistry for children is extremely lucrative–and sensitive to price increases. If you don’t believe that dentistry to make children’s teeth pretty is elective, take a good look into the mouth of David Bowie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZKcl4-tcuo

    The American Dental Association doesn’t want to price a fat slice of the American population out of the market for cosmetic dentistry–because they’re not stupid. IF IF IF and when the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill dies, watch for this new free dental entitlement to be among the first cut out of the revised bill.

    1. Private practitioners, which is what most dentists are, would most likely just refuse to take Medicare as a payment, leaving themselves much as they are. However, given that mandates are becoming so popular, they may be forced to have overflowing waiting rooms of patients with Medicare for which they would be paid a fraction of the cost of providing care.

      I don’t blame them for being against it. It is the privately insured patients that make it worthwhile for virtually all medical providers to be in business; if you don’t have at least 10-15% of you payer group as commercial insured you don’t make any money. Medicare just barely covers cost, if your frugal.

      1. You can’t get licensed to operate an acute care general hospital without a Medicare/Medicaid contract, and that’s probably where this would lead dentistry for the same reasons it did so on the private hospital side.

        Medicare just barely covers cost, if your frugal.

        Yeah, most community hospitals lose money on Medicare, and all of them lose money on Medicaid. The case mix was always the first report our CFO wanted to see every morning, and, yeah, depending on the insurer, it took about one privately insured patient to make up for the losses we took on every eight Medicare or Medicaid patient.

        Dentists would much rather be paid like they’re doing breast augmentations or something else that isn’t covered by Medicaid.

    2. How can they rail against the high cost of health care if they don’t do everything in their power to make health care unaffordable for anyone not on the dole?

      There’s no part of what they are doing that doesn’t have an eye on single payer.

      1. Yeah, it’s important to differentiate between the profoundly stupid progressives that contaminate the web with the progressives formulating strategy. We tend to assume that progressive commenters we encounter are smart enough not to believe the stupid shit they say, but most of the time, they really are that stupid. On the other hand, we should remember that the ones who are formulating the policies are doing it on purpose.

        When ObamaCare meant that mom had to change doctors in the middle of chemo–because her employer benefits were too generous and the Obama administration wanted more people on Medicaid–that wasn’t the result of the Obama administration’s stupidity. That was the intended outcome. The purpose of progressivism is to use the coercive power of government to force people to make sacrifices for the greater good (as they see it), and they wanted people like mom to sacrifice their quality healthcare fo the benefit of putting more people on Medicaid.

        The people in the middle class who genuinely believe that they will benefit from the sacrifices the progressives are forcing other people to make are remarkably stupid. And the progressive politicians and officials who feign surprise when it turns out to be the middle class making the sacrifices are remarkably disingenuous. The middle class paying the price is not an unintended consequence for them. It’s the plan working as intended.

        1. No, they are LITERALLY insects

      2. There’s no part of what they are doing that doesn’t have an eye on single payer.

        Exactly. The failure of a government program is a feature, not a bug; it’s the pretext to an even bigger government program to replace it.

      3. And, meanwhile, while the Democrats push toward single payer, all the opposition party does is complain, but puts forth no proposal of their own.

        1. There have been, in fact, dozens of proposals from Republican politicians and conservative think tanks regarding health care policy.

          Of course, one need not present any alternative to a bad policy. Opposition is enough. It was unnecessary for anyone in the German underground to present an alternative solution to the Jewish problem. Erecting that false dichotomy is embarrassingly sophomoric sophistry on the part of bootlicking subhuman authoritarian pieces of shit attempting to rationalize their psychopathic, murderous policies.

          1. “Of course, one need not present any alternative to a bad policy. Opposition is enough. It was unnecessary for anyone in the German underground to present an alternative solution to the Jewish problem. Erecting that false dichotomy is embarrassingly sophomoric sophistry…”

            Deserves repeating.

            1. I was going to respond to ML myself but that is just beautifully stated.

              1. Is it just me, or is tulpa getting better, without losing his edge? Well said.

            2. Mike is incapable of embarrassment; requires an IQ of at least double his.

        2. Doing nothing is always an option. And often the best one.

          Let the free market work around the existing government roadblocks. Don’t put up new roadblocks.

          1. Baloney. The Republicans could do all kinds of things to create a better environment for free market healthcare.

  33. A few weeks ago Nick interviewed someone that discussed how life expectancy has doubled and the population has quadrupled in the last 100 years. So during the Spanish Flu of 1918 we had nowhere near as many old people. And yet we are just now hitting the number of deaths from COVID as from the Spanish Flu. So as one article pointed out in the US Spanish Flu was .64% of Pop, COVID was .15%.
    So we managed to figure out things that could get people to live to 80 or 90 (mostly hygiene and overcoming childhood) but we can’t fix old.

    1. We haven’t figured out how to fix old in some ways, but given enough regulation of social media, suppression of free speech, critical theory education, and on the job sensitivity training, we can force old people to stop being xenophobic, homophobic, misogynistic, and racist–and isn’t that what’s really important?

      1. Ken, all this talk about getting old and dying is starting to upset some of the college snowflakes. Please comply with national fantasy justice speech codes, or your account will be suspended.

    2. Some 60% of the medical industry is a series of efforts to try and fix old. We’d gotten pretty good at it, but COVID came along and upset the apple cart.

      mostly hygiene and overcoming childhood

      Coming out of this, expect a big push on airborne hygiene, especially in institutional settings. And much gnashing of teeth as those standards trickle in as mandates applied throughout broader society.

      1. The same thing happened in 1918. New York City mandated that radiator style heaters were effective enough to heat a whole apartment even with the windows open, so people could breathe fresh air.

    3. Spanish flu mysteriously affected mainly young healthy people. The profile of the disease was really quiet different and reasonably alarming. when your mainly kills the old and infirm, we don’t really need to shut down the country, we can create a more targeted approach. But when it mainly kills young healthy people, you have a problem on your hands.

      1. And when a disease affects mostly the retired and the non-working, you can’t really give OSHA authority to mandate how to deal with it.

    4. Erm, if by ‘overcoming childhood,’ you mean living past the illnesses, then yes. Otherwise, there’s ample evidence that there is a massive push to remove anything that resembles adulthood, responsibility, due process, general fairness, critical thinking, from our way of life. I would suggest ‘implement perpetual childhood’ given the apparent desire for a life with zero responsibility based on immediate gratification and popularity.

    5. In 1918 we also didn’t have as many obese people, or as many seriously ill people kept alive with modern medicine and outpatient treatments. And we were coming out of a global war with supply chain interruptions, famine, and other infectious diseases brought back from troops deployed to Europe.

  34. “Age May Trump Vaccination Status in Assessing COVID-19 Risk”

    In related news, our obligation to respect the right of other people to make choices for themselves continues to trump both statistics and science.

  35. Btw.. is reason just ignoring Stossels lawsuit?

      1. THX – didn’t know about it.

    1. I think we all knew where Reason would stand in a battle between a Reason contributor and social media corporations.

      1. I would not call their position a “stand.”

    2. Weird, yes? Am waiting to see something from Volokh.

    3. Yes they are, stossle is a libritarian, and thus not worthy of reasons coverage

  36. ENB….you are just now discovering that the China virus doesn’t kill young healthy people? We knew that by March 2020….over 18 months ago. Don’t you talk to your science reporter Bailey?! 🙂

    O/T: I hope all is well with pregnancy (seriously!) and impending motherhood.

    1. O/T: I hope all is well with pregnancy (seriously!) and impending motherhood.

      I hope the unperson is mentally retarded, the stupid cunt decides to abort it, and hemorrhages and dies on the table during the procedure because the registered nurse performing the abortion refused to call an ambulance. Couldn’t happen to a nicer cunt.

      1. And by “mentally retarded” I mean Down syndrome, not just the natural result of having inherited 50% of its DNA from a sub-80 IQ death cultist lying cunt.

      2. The child is half Vox Writer right?

      3. Sigh….that was an asinine comment, Alfredo.

        1. Fuck off and die you pathetic fucking simp. I hope you die of debilitatingly painful cancer too. Maybe your favorite sex-worker manque will give you a handjob as a send off gift.

    2. That poor child.

  37. “Warriors’ Andrew Wiggins says he will stick to beliefs regarding vaccine”
    […]
    ““Back is definitely against the wall, but I’m just going to keep fighting for what I believe,” Wiggins said at media day Monday. “I’m going to keep fighting for what I believe is right. What’s right to one person isn’t right to the other and vice versa.”
    Wiggins declined to explain what those beliefs actually entail, saying, “It’s none of your business, that’s what it comes down to.”…”https://www.nba.com/news/warriors-andrew-wiggins-says-he-will-stick-to-beliefs-regarding-vaccine

    The Chron’s sports-sjw writer has her pants in a twist.

    1. A post that’s not ‘fuck you?’ Sevo must have got a visit from his grandkids or something.

      1. “Grandpa Sevo is a bit of a nutjob, so just nod your head when he talks and we’ll go get pizza later.”

        1. Interesting that the best response steaming piles of lefty shit can produce is ‘clever’ digs at the amount of time I’ve spent learning how NOT to be a steaming pile of lefty shit.
          Fuck off and die, adolescent asshole.

        2. Fantasizing about Sevo’s grandkids will surely do wonders to repair your reputation as a kiddie fucker who posted child porn, shreek.

      2. Nobody cares, paid troll fuckwad leftie.

        You enjoy getting bashed around here and over on Volokh?

        1. QueenAmalthea is a shreek sockpuppet. Treat it accordingly.

    2. “I’m going to keep fighting for what I believe is right. What’s right to one person isn’t right to the other and vice versa.”
      Wiggins declined to explain what those beliefs actually entail, saying, “It’s none of your business, that’s what it comes down to.”

      Progressives can’t tolerate public figures bucking the narrative. It’s the unpardonable sin.

      On the other hand, social justice warriors can’t delegitimize the lived experience of people of African ancestry.

      No wonder the Chron’s writer is having a conniption.

      1. Won’t be long and he’ll be a Token of Trump just like Ben Carson and Tim Scott.

        1. Except he’s Canadian, and taking a good-paying job from an American.

      2. “Progressives can’t tolerate public figures bucking the narrative. It’s the unpardonable sin.”

        True. Now, do how Trump reacts when someone contracts his narrative.

        1. You mean like when he prosecuted and imprisoned more journalists and whistleblowers under the Espionage Act than all other presidents in American history combined? Oh wait, that was somebody else.

  38. “Some gasoline stations in U.K. run out of fuel as pandemic supply chain crisis deepens”
    […]
    “Britain’s retail industry warned the government on Friday that unless it moves to alleviate an acute shortage of truckers in the next 10 days then significant disruption was inevitable in the run-up to Christmas.
    As the world’s fifth-largest economy emerges from COVID-19 lockdowns, a spike in European natural gas prices and a post-Brexit shortage of truck drivers have left Britain grappling with soaring energy prices and a potential food supply crunch…”

    The wu-flu means the Brits can’t pay enough to attract truck drivers?
    Doesn’t pass the sniff-test; stinks like there’s government meddling in there somewhere.

    1. Unsurprisingly, you’re right. Romanian guy has a decent analysis of the situation:
      https://youtube.com/watch?v=8ATDa9RvrVo

  39. “Indian Farmers Stage Nationwide Protests Against Reforms”
    […]
    “NEW DELHI (Reuters) -Indian farmers opposed to reforms they say threaten their livelihoods renewed their push against the changes with nationwide protests on Monday, a year after laws on the liberalisation of the sector were introduced.
    For 10 months, tens of thousands of farmers have camped out on major highways around the capital, New Delhi, to oppose the laws in the longest-running growers’ protest against Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s government.”
    https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-09-27/indian-farmers-aim-for-nationwide-protests-against-reforms-on-monday

    Betcha millions of Indian eaters are not nearly as upset, since the lack of subsidies will certainly lower food costs.

    1. Isn’t this related to the astroturfing campaign that Greta Thunberg accidentally revealed some months ago?

  40. The EQUAL Act would end sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine.

    or you could say “The EQUAL Act will undo the monstrously racist crime of Joe Biden’s 1994 Crime Bill”

  41. I have always realized that the COVID19 was an opportunist infection that had greatest impact on those most stressed. So the fact that death were higher in older individuals has always made sense. Likewise the fact that individual in poor heath do to lifestyle (overweight) or circumstance (cancer patient) are also at greatest risk of significant health impacts or death.

    What I think we may actually be missing is the middle ground where individuals are significantly impacted but not so bad they are hospitalized. I have talked to people who did get sick and reported in to be very unpleasant experience. I have also talked to employers complaining that individuals contracting the illness are out for several weeks leaving them short handed. Worse the contagious nature of the disease often means that several employees will be out either all at once or sequentially. Overall this means the loss of work and school time.

    1. I have talked to people who did get sick and reported in to be very unpleasant experience.

      Upending society because of “unpleasant experiences.” America c. 2020 in a nutshell. What I find especially galling is the myopia behind this rationale – hopefully we relearn a harsh lesson from the RSV explosion in the restrictions’ wake, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

      Worse the contagious nature of the disease often means that several employees will be out either all at once or sequentially.

      Not mentioned: how CDC “guidance” exacerbates this issue.

      1. Upending society because of “unpleasant experiences.” America c. 2020 in a nutshell.

        The only people who have problems are the ones that get symptoms of pneumonia. I had a harsh cough for two weeks and and a fever that topped out at 103 for about a week. That is no day at the beach, but I never had problems breathing.

        I got checked once after the fever set in because I was exhausted. But once I got a prescription for cough syrup with codeine, I could sleep without waking up and immediately felt better. The lowest my blood oxygen ever got was 92, in the waiting room, because I was wearing a mask. Yes, I’ll say it, masks are worse than COVID for healthy breathing.

        M4E uses the phrase ‘very unpleasant experience’ because it is vague and he can waffle if anyone contradicts him. I have been sicker, with a fever over 105, and had coughing attacks from which I passed out before. I was not scared that I was going to die then, so I certainly wasn’t this time.

        Some people are just pussies. Some people are going to die if they get it. And then there are the actual majority of COVID cases that have no symptoms at all. If we had never interrupted the cycle, public health would be that much closer to recovery.

    2. 60-going-on-13 does not understand “non-sequitur”:

      “I have always realized that the COVID19 was an opportunist infection that had greatest impact on those most stressed. So the fact that death were higher in older individuals has always made sense.”

    3. I have always realized that the COVID19 was an opportunist infection that had greatest impact on those most stressed.

      That’s odd, because you specifically said the exact opposite and called people who pointed out to you that verifiable fact that COVID-19 predominantly affects old fucks and fat pieces of shit like yourself anti-science cultists. Shove your revisionism up your asshole sideways.

      1. What are you talking about? We know that individuals stressed by age, lifestyle choices and other health conditions (cancer, diabetes, etc.) are the most at risk for severe and life threatening COVID19 infections. That is what I stated.

        1. “We” did. “You” did not. And there is a lengthy comment history of you publicly stating as much. Until literally today you have insisted that COVID-19 is a deadly fatal illness that affects everyone and that therefore we should have universal vaccines enforced by armed agents of the state. Or, stated more briefly:

          Shove your revisionism up your asshole sideways.

    4. Those cases aren’t tracked very well, which is unfortunate.

      1. If only the government could interject itself into every interaction between a patient and their physician or an employee with their employer!

  42. ‘The EQUAL Act would end sentencing disparities between crack and powder cocaine.’ Joe Biden hardest hit. Or, will he continue to claim that his views have evolved?

    1. Hunter Biden merely collateral damage.

      1. One can hope. Though, am pessimistic, and suspect that nothing will come of it. Not because there is nothing there, but because there are no investigative journalists with a spine left. And because even if Biden is a dimwit, he’s got the correct education, rubbed the correct elbows, greased the correct palms. This is where the left-leaning segment of the population shows their hypocrisy. Trump was a racist, a criminal, a puppet and needed to have his life examined in the most granular detail simply because they didn’t like him. Corroborating evidence is appearing for corruption schemes around Hunter, there is ample evidence of Biden having many of the same traits that Trump had, perhaps to a greater degree. And there is very little call for investigation. This isn’t a mission to Mars, where one must accept the crew one has -the DNC, and the left are simply biased, and their in-group bias is all thet amtters to them.

  43. “A Financial Times analysis found the COVID-19 mortality risk is about equal for vaccinated 80-year-olds and unvaccinated 50-year-olds, while an unvaccinated 30-year-old has less chance of dying than a vaccinated 45-year-old.”

    But of course, the solutions proposed/imposed by Biden and other Democrats (business lock downs, mask mandates and vaccine mandates) have ignored this (and all other) actual risk data.

    Mandating masks for children in schools hasn’t and won’t reduce covid morbidity or mortality for older adults (and covid risks for children pose less harm than the flu).

    Unfortunately, very few left wing media propagandists have ever taken a course in risk assessment, risk management or basic statistics.

    1. If you look at the CDCs own graphs, COVID cases and deaths are almost the same right now as they were in the first wave during spring of 2020. There are two ways to interpret this:
      (1) the vaccine isn’t very effective any more considering that more than half the population is now vaccinated (2) the CDC is fudging the numbers to make things seem scarier (we know hospitals are counting anyone who tests positive for Covid as a Covid case, even if they’re there for a broken leg).

      1. “the vaccine isn’t very effective any more considering that more than half the population is now vaccinated”

        For vaccines to stop community spread, much more than half of a population needs to be vaccinated. Nobody has said otherwise.

        1. Which is why Israel, with over 80% of its population vaccinated, has eradicated COVID-19.

        2. Of course, all fact-based people who Fucking Love Science know that herd immunity can only be achieved once 98% of the population has been vaccinated.

        3. We are at 75%

        4. The CDC and others now admit that the COVID vaccines never did stop community spread-the vaccinated still can spread it as they did in P-town. Initially, the vaccines reduced the likelihood of severe illness, and now don’t seem to be doing that so well either

          1. The idea of stopping community spread with a vaccine is that you have to get way more than 50% of people to get vaccinated. But partisan politics has sabotaged common sense, so here we are with clogged ICUs and people dying miserable, lonely deaths needlessly.

            1. The idea of stopping community spread with a vaccine is that you have to get way more than 50% of people to get vaccinated.

              If the vaccine actually confers immunity to the underlying illness then community spread is not a major concern. It’s why we still hand out vaccines for influenza, HPV and varicella even though 50% or less of the population gets them. I already pointed this out to you with a series of links to data you could read, if you were actually able.

              But partisan politics has sabotaged common sense, so here we are with clogged ICUs and people dying miserable, lonely deaths needlessly.

              ICUs are not clogged, and the only reason people are dying miserable, lonely deaths is because fascist sacks of shit like you will not allow them to be visited or comforted by family members or clergy because you’re a sociopath.

        5. Another H02 moment from White Mike.

      2. Or (3) the deaths are predominately among the unvaccinated.

        1. Which any ICU nurse will tell you is indeed what is going on.

          1. But which nevertheless is not borne out by data or any facts. Turns out that spending 2 years in school studying how to dress wounds and hang a saline bag doesn’t actually make you an expert in biochemistry or epidemiology.

  44. >>Media coverage of the COVID-19 pandemic these days tends to focus a lot on outcome variance between vaccinated and unvaccinated people, gatherings, and locales.

    somebody needs to be the government’s thrumbscrew.

  45. Jen Psaki is so stupid. How the fuck did she fall so far upwards?

    1. It was just about the only thing she could say without contradicting her feebleminded boss.

      1. alright you and Alfredo are somewhat correct I suppose it does take talent to lie so hard

    2. She’s a spin doctor for a dementia patient, I wouldn’t say she failed too far upwards.

    3. She gives good…oh never mind

      1. always said I’d never pass on a redhead, but here we are …

    4. It’s a tradeoff the junta have to make. You don’t want your puppets (and possible scapegoats) to be clever enough to start asking questions.

    5. Bureaucracies, administration, and government are full of the marginally competent. They get glowing reviews from other marginally competent people. These are held, if not displayed, with pride near diplomas from schools that at one time mattered, but graduate dimwits with shit degrees that dim bulbs think are difficult to achieve. See also the Peter Principle.

  46. Nothing about New York firing their unvaxxed nurses tonight, destroying their hospital system in the process?

    1. There are exceptions; which proves they are wrong about the vaccine. If it is necessary, it is necessary for all, no exceptions.
      They will allow unlicensed to work the field, proving licensing is unnecessary.
      They will allow out of state workers, proving they just want the tax money. (I wonder if there is full disclosure to the out of state that they will be paying NY state and local income and payroll taxes?)

      1. “There are exceptions; which proves they are wrong about the vaccine.”

        Are you implying that there are people arguing that everyone should get the vaccination, with no exceptions?

          1. That article does not call for “no exceptions”.

            1. If healthy young people should not be excepted then it’s very difficult to imagine anyone who possibly should be considering they are at the lowest risk for becoming infected, the lowest risk of severe illness, the lowest risk of death and the lowest risk of transmission.

          1. We weren’t talking about what exceptions *I* would allow, but since you ask now, I would allow more exceptions than this. Since I’m not for government mandates, but am advocating for voluntarily doing the right thing and getting yourself vaccinated: I’d leave it up to the individual to decide if they are an exception.

            1. We weren’t talking about what exceptions *I* would allow

              That’s also not what Diane Reynolds (Paul.) asked, you illiterate motherfucker, he asked what your definition of “exception” was.

              Since I’m not for government mandates, but am advocating for voluntarily doing the right thing and getting yourself vaccinated: I’d leave it up to the individual to decide if they are an exception.

              And yet you verbally abuse anyone who refuses to be vaccinated for any reason whatsoever and are on record stating that if people refuse to be vaccinated, they should expect a government mandate. The exact same bullshit you pulled with mask mandates. “I don’t support the mandate, but if you won’t wear a mask then the government HAS TO DO SOMETHING!” It’s almost like you’re a lying, disingenuous piece of shit with the logical acuity of a typical primary school student.

            2. If people don’t do it voluntarily you’ll make sure government makes them volunteer.

              1. He just said “I’m not for government mandates” and you say “NEENER NEENER YOU ARE TOOOOO!!!!”

                Grow up.

                1. You see sarcasmic… some of us actually read everything someone writes and gets past their little asides that they use to try to hide what they are saying. Mike is very open in this very thread with his demands for everyone to be vaccinated. You could have followed and read everything he wrote, but you didn’t. Because he, like you, lie about what you say and do with little asides. You believe your 1% comment cancels out the other 99% from criticism. You behave just like White Mike.

                2. Fat chance of that.

                  1. Leave Jeff out of this.

        1. True, to be fair, Biden says we only need 98% of people to be forcibly injected with an investigational vaccine. Politifact rates this claim PANTS ON FIRE!

  47. The Democrats position as the science party depends on a large number of their followers being scientifically illiterate. Case in point-my wife last night said the delta outbreak in P-town was spread outdoors when in fact it was the opposite (even the NYT said so), but she is too lazy to fact check.

    1. Generally illiterate. Several of Mrs. Casual’s coworkers at the hospital are claiming religious exemptions to the vaccine. She said, “I don’t know what they’re going to do about religious exemptions.” I told her they’ll just fire them like they’re doing in New York. She explained how the state manages healthcare in New York and those were effectively state employees. I pointed out that the religious exception is Constitutional and should be *more* applicable to State employees. She replied, “They didn’t fire the ones with religious exemptions in New York.” without even looking. The original mandate was temporarily blocked specifically because it ignored religious exemptions and the Governor has repeatedly, even again today, said there is no legitimate religious exemption.

    2. What does having the wrong facts have to do with being scientifically literate? Scientific literacy is knowing what to do with the facts. Then again when facts are judged through a political lens, the science becomes worthless. “Those facts are stupid because Democrats! These facts are true because Republicans!”

      1. Hmm, the guy is badmouthing his own wife here. Makes me wonder how many of the Trump Mean Girls are venting here because they are actually meek husbands.

        1. Probably those guys who sit around talking shit about women until one of them walks into the room, then it’s “Yes Dear, whatever you say Dear” and then back to talking shit as soon as she leaves.

          1. And yet none of them have broken down in a drunken stupor wailing like a pathetic bitch about how their wife left them and took the kids, like you have.

            1. If he could ever learn what projection was he may be up for some self reflection.

            2. It’s funny how someone who effaces having transcended bothsidesism can’t fathom two people free to talk behind each others’ backs without one utterly subjugating the other

        2. My wife is right about plenty of things, but this isn’t one of them.

        3. Hmm, the guy is badmouthing his own wife here.

          Check out Mike, who apparently has exactly zero female friends.

          1. That made no sense.

            1. ROFLMAO! Your obliviousness makes it all the more hilarious.

      2. Scientific Literacy means thinking by critically and not necessarily taking things presented to you as facts at face value, and yes plenty of republicans do it too over things like immigrants being more likely to commit crimes. But if yours is the party that worships “science”, you have a responsibility to make sure you are communicating actual evidence and not sound bites and that your followers understand this.

        1. Take the vaccine, you anti science hack!

          Now, I’m off to my acupuncture appointment.

        2. You know, there really isn’t much of a difference between the two major parties when it comes to “science.” If the “facts” further their political agenda, then they’re good. If they don’t, then they’re wrong. It’s that simple, sadly.

          1. And yet you can only muster any criticism for one party, and swallow anything told to you by the other party as an indisputable fact, frequently making yourself look like a fucking moron and having to backpeddle (Sicknick was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher by a Trump supporter; Trump colluded with Vladimir Putin to steal the election from Hillary Clinton; Masks are effective at preventing the spread of respiratory viruses; etc)

          2. Want me to post your post modernist take on facts?

            1. Go ahead. The stuff in your head is a lot more entertaining than anything I write, and only four or five morons actually believe your shit. So please. Be my guest.

              1. LOL! So you didn’t say the only facts that mattered to you were the ones you’ve experienced first hand? I can pull it up. Want to see if you will outright lie again. So did you say that or not?

                1. As if there was any chance he isn’t going to fucking lie. He lies about the shit that he’s said within the same thread, let alone a day, a week, or a month later. He’s a piece of shit self-confessed alcoholic and drug addict who subsists on welfare and public housing. The only reason he’s not incoherently babbling and accosting people for change on a street corner is because of our generous social welfare system.

                  1. I’m just waiting for him to double down again. I have it saved.

              2. AMC theaters does less projection than you do. You’re a fucking laughingstock. Not even the other retarded hard-left trolls here take you seriously.

          3. https://reason.com/volokh/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/

            “Indeed, less than half of 2016 Clinton supporters (49.6%) are able to answer correctly both of two related questions: whether the earth goes around the sun or the sun goes around the earth (EARTHSUN) and whether that takes a day, a month, or a year (SOLARREV). Remember these two questions are multiple choice! You would have a 50-50 chance of guessing correctly on the first part: whether the earth goes around the sun or vice versa. Sadly, the general public didn’t do hugely better than Clinton supporters, with only 57.1% (compared to 49.6%) knowing that the earth goes around the sun and that it takes a year to do so.”

      3. How cute. Sarcasmic rushes to criticize the republicans who have consistently said to get the vaccine, but no mandates while defending the left which has done the opposite while disparaging other effective treatments.

        Totally not a lefty.

      4. What does having the wrong facts have to do with being scientifically literate? Scientific literacy is knowing what to do with the facts.

        Believing something that is demonstrably untrue IN SPITE OF the facts, such as insisting that an outdoor event rather than an indoor event likely caused a COVID outbreak, is not “having the wrong facts”, it’s “desperately clinging to falsehood because you’re a neurotic fucking moron who wants to be frightened”. You know, like you do.

  48. “The bill itself will not cost $3.5T in the sense it will be entirely, or at least partly, paid for. So the actual cost will be smaller than that, perhaps zero, although I think that’s unlikely”

    This sounds like the sort of deal I have worked out with the gas station up the road – I give them $20 and they give me $20 worth of free gas, doesn’t cost me a dime.

  49. So, yeah, yesterday, the Republicans refused to raise the debt ceiling. Meanwhile, . . .

    Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (Ill.), the No. 2-ranking Senate Democratic leader, on Tuesday dismissed a proposal to use the budget reconciliation process to raise the federal debt limit with only Democratic votes as a non-starter . . . .

    “It takes him about 15 minutes for Chuck Schumer to explain how that works, what it involves — three or four weeks of activity in the House and the Senate,” he said. “This notion, ‘Oh you just stick it on reconciliation,’ is a non-starter.”

    —-The Hill

    https://thehill.com/policy/finance/574266-no-2-senate-democrat-raising-debt-limit-under-reconciliation-a-non-starter

    I don’t know how true this is.

    IF IF IF they really can’t pass the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill without the Republicans helping them raise the debt ceiling, then they probably can’t pass the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill.

    The question may be whether the Republicans will blink and raise the debt ceiling when an interest payment defaults. If they don’t blink, there’s a rumor that the Fed will step in and buy up all the treasuries before they default to buy Congress more time.

    Talk about moral hazard! That would be the most reprehensible act by the Fed in American history, but I think they’d do it. If I were Mitch McConnell or Rand Paul, at this point, I’d introduce a bill to cut previously authorized spending to keep the government from going into default.

    If the Democrats are planning to blame the Republicans for the default because they refuse to raise the debt ceiling, why shouldn’t the Republicans blame the Democrats for the default because they refuse to cut spending?

    1. >>>The question may be whether the Republicans will blink

      used to be question. now more axiom.

      1. They may only need to hold out until Thursday to be effective at killing the $3.5 trillion bill.

        1. I hope they do. It’s been nothing but “we *say* we’re two-party but we act contigo” since the end of the 43 era

          1. I repeat: The Republicans refused to raise the debt ceiling yesterday.

            The Democrats passed a $1.9 trillion stimulus bill without any Republicans voting for it back in March, and if the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill passes, it will be without a single Republican vote.

            They aren’t working together right now!

            I’d expect the Republicans to raise the debt ceiling–in the name of sanity–before we go into default, but there will be time to do that after the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill fails.

            1. I hope you’re correct. Cocaine Mitch has abused my optimism in the past so I’m leaving it at “hope”.

              1. It’s not about believing in the players. It’s about believing in the game!

                I’ll never depend on any politician to do what they say, but I can see what McConnel is doing and I can see why he’s doing it.

                It all probably breaks down if the government is about to default on some treasuries–and it probably should break down at that point! Economic suicide isn’t the solution to overspending either. Making the interest rate go through the roof because we default may put the brake on discretionary spending, but it will also increase the debt. McConnel is playing this the right way to maximize the chances of the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill falling apart. He deserves credit for that!

                However, he’s no more principled than the people who vote for him, and changing the minds of the people who might vote for Republicans (or any other politician) is our job. I’d love to see the Republican party and its supporters transform into the legitimate party of fiscal conservatism, and to that end, I’d like to see them put together a proposal to slash spending in order to avoid a government default. That would never pass in a Democrat controlled Congress, and Biden would never sign the bill if it did pass. But if we’re getting ready to play dueling banjos over who’s to blame for the default, the Republicans should give themselves a tangible reason to blame the Democrats–in the form of a bill to cut spending that’s already been authorized.

                There’s gotta be some embarrassing pork out there somewhere.

                1. I’m in.

                  >> I’d like to see them put together a proposal to slash spending in order to avoid a government default.

                  this may be too-high-level chess for them but we’ll see

                2. Nothing left to cut.

                  That’s what they said when the federal budget was 4 trillion a year.
                  It must be even more true now that it’s at 6 trillion a year.

            2. Sanity? Going into default would be sane, by accepting reality.

              1. No.

                Interest rates spiking because of a default isn’t in anyone’s best interest. If we can’t roll over our debt at a price we can afford, that’s in no one’s best interest.

                Destroying our own economy in the name of saving it from overspending is insane. Our debt would be higher even if the interest crowded out discretionary spending. The solution to overspending isn’t economic suicide. The solution to overspending is to cut spending.

      2. The Democrats can fail to pass the $3.5 trillion bill without any help from the Republicans!

    2. why shouldn’t the Republicans blame the Democrats for the default because they refuse to cut spending?

      Because the media won’t see it that way.

      “Wither on the vine”.

      1. Their influence is limited and waning.

        The last Rasmussen report has Biden’s approval falling below Trump’s, and that didn’t happen because the media was giving Biden bad coverage or Trump good. It happened in spite of the media narrative.

        Make it about cutting spending! Why not?

        It’s not like the media is ever going to give the Republicans positive coverage anyway. Take what they’ll give you. Let the media condemn you for wanting to cut spending to save the government from going into default. Fill the bill with Democrat pork to cut. Let them scream about all the awful shit the Democrats would rather spend money on than avoid a default.

        1. And yet we have Joe Biden as our president. I don’t think their influence has waned as much as we’d like to think.

          1. That was about the pandemic’s effect on the economy. Never in the history of America have so many people become unemployed so quickly. That was ultimately to blame for the social unrest, too. If it hadn’t been for George Floyd, it would have been something else. Under those circumstances, Trump shouldn’t have done as well as he did–and more people voted for him in 2020 than voted for him in 2016.

            The media is obsessed with controlling the Overton window, and they mostly fail. What we see in the media isn’t an accurate reflection of reality or of the state of the American people. That’s why the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill is falling apart. Too many Democrats are saying, “Wait, you guys were really serious about this progressive dreamworld shit, were you?!” They know there’s a real world out there, and it’s gonna bite them in the ass if they keep pretending.

            In the dream world, Biden has all the time in the world to evacuate Americans and their allies in Kabul because the Afghan army will hold up and the Taliban are nowhere near Kabul. In reality, Biden had seven months to evacuate Americans, but he didn’t really start in earnest until the Taliban waltzed into Kabul and surrounded the airport.

            Reality has a way of asserting itself.

            I know it’s in the best interest of the economy and the country if this budget reconciliation bill fails, but I’m not sure what’s worse for the Democrats–the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill failing or the bill succeeding. If they fail to pass it, it’ll be the end of Pelosi’s career, and it will hurt Biden’s ability to take the lead on anything in the future. On the other hand, if the bill succeeds, it will harm the economy, and it may provoke a backlash similar to what we saw from the Tea Party, especially in swing states.

            Swing voters hate the shit in this bill, and they’ll hate it even more when the economy lags, their power bills go up, and the country becomes even more socialist than ObamaCare. None of that changes. Somehow, we both know, intellectually, that the progressives and the social justice warriors are full of shit, but at the same time, we seem to have internalized their claims about the transformation of society into a world where people no longer care about themselves, the economy, and how it impacts their quality of life.

            If the New Soviet Man and New Soviet Woman were being projected on propaganda posters in the USSR, you’d know it was all horseshit. The propaganda is no different for being broadcast on the news. Millennials fled the cities during the unrest like their hippie parents and grandparents did when the latter transformed into yuppies. There’s still a reality out there, and people are smarter than you think. Don’t, don’t, don’t believe the hype!

            1. There’s still a reality out there, and people are smarter than you think. Don’t, don’t, don’t believe the hype!

              This is where I live.

              1. If you’re living in Portland, San Francisco, or Seattle, I’m sure it all seems hopeless. Even there, you can do nice things around those areas, too. These folks look like they’re having so much fun:

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGnlWAHpvCE

                And that’s not the whole country.

                Hell, California voted against affirmative action, against getting rid of cash bail, and against sentencing reform, and against raising property taxes on businesses in 2020.

                Just remember that plenty of those people are the battleground and not the enemy. Most of them aren’t trying to be evil, and they’re depending on us to save them. They will respond to having their quality of life destroyed. The trick is to get them to avoid that before it happens, and persuading people that they’re important to be sacrificed for someone else’s cause is the key.

                Even the people of Seattle can come around eventually.

            2. Ken, your analysis of the $3.5 trillion bill is as off as your falese recitation of events in Afghanistan – the administration started notifying Americans in Afghanistan in March to start getting ready to leave and how to contact US officials. Many did not want to leave then, as they were probably making money as contractors or hopefully part of the secular and modern Afghani government in which they placed their hope for the people of te country. The same was true for many Afghanis who were part of that effort, and the Afghani government requested that a pull out not be started early or else hasten a loss of confidence.

              As to the bill, you earlier posted nonsense about Democrats not being a the blue collar party – as if blacks and Latinos were not part of that group – when this bill includes items specifically for their help, like help with child care payments – blue collar families are either 2 wage earners or single parent now – and Medicare coverage for dental and eyeglasses. The bill has been tested in blue collar W Va and it is very popular there. What’s your beef? You want another round of tax cuts primarily for the top 5%, or as it’s known, the GOP Jig?

              1. Fuck off and die, JF. Slowly and painfully.

              2. Disclaimer: Joe Friday is a Democratic party shill and his claims of the popularity of said bill in West Virginia are unsupported by facts.

                Also, his name is a mnemonic designed for the president to remind him what day it currently is. It occasionally works.

    3. Pelosi is already planning to go ahead with the 1.2 trillion dollar pork bill first:

      https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/26/pelosi-says-infrastructure-bill-will-pass-this-week-but-the-vote-may-be-delayed.html

      Meaning the 3.5 trillion dollar pork bill won’t be 3.5 trillion, or won’t pass at all (we can hope).

      1. Moderate and progressive Democrats have clashed over the size and scope of the package, but Pelosi said Sunday it “seems self-evident” the bill’s price tag will drop.

        “Everybody, overwhelmingly, and I think even those who want a smaller number, support the vision of the president,” she added.

        1. Pelosi had promised to hold a vote on that $1.2 trillion infrastructure bill on Monday, yesterday. She made that promise back on August 23rd, in response to the moderate House Democrats that refused to bring the bill to a vote on the floor unless the infrastructure deal was brought up for a vote first.

          In other words, she put off the infrastructure vote until Thursday because she still hopes to have the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill ready by Thursday. The progressive wing of the Democratic party is still saying they won’t vote for the infrastructure bill unless the moderate Democrats vote for the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill first.

          Pelosi is still trying to have it both ways, and if the infrastructure bill passes first, on Thursday, the $3.5 trillion budget reconciliation bill probably won’t pass–because the moderate Democrats don’t want it.

          1. I read her comments like she gave them 3 more days.
            Nothing will change in 3 days.

            She’s also giving cover to the moderate Dems who “only” want to spend 2.5 trillion or 2 trillion instead of 3.5 trillion.

            1. The moderate democrats only want to spend $1.5 trillion.

              She’s trying to keep progressives on a leash in the hope of having the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill ready by Thursday. The progressives have already been swearing up and down that they won’t vote the infrastructure bill if reconciliation bill isn’t passed first. The moderates don’t want to vote for a the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill at all.

              Back in August, Pelosi promised to hold a vote on the infrastructure bill on September 27th (yesterday), but she didn’t have the votes–because the progressives won’t vote for it until the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill is ready to be voted on. By promising to hold the vote on Thursday, she’s bought some time from the moderates, and she’s trying to get the $3.5 trillion bill ready to vote on at the same time as the infrastructure bill.

              If the infrastructure bill is passed first, the moderates will almost certainly abandon the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill. If the infrastructure bill isn’t passed on Thursday, the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill is probably toast. And while the Democrats may come back with a $1.5 trillion reconciliation bill, it may not be with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. The progressive Democrats will be in open rebellion against her.

    4. “…If they don’t blink, there’s a rumor that the Fed will step in and buy up all the treasuries before they default to buy Congress more time.

      Talk about moral hazard! That would be the most reprehensible act by the Fed in American history…”

      Ken, haven’t they been buying up Treasuries in the last decade or so? Which, going down Memory Lane, was the act that long-ago former poster RC Dean mentioned would indicate our system was going to collapse sooner than later. So, if they’ve already been serving as market-maker during Treasury Auctions, what’s the difference in them continuing to do so to shore up demand?

      1. Buying up treasuries in order to keep interest rates down is one thing. That’s trying to protect American consumers from the consequences of policy.

        Buying up bonds on which the government defaults is something else. You’re protecting Congress from the consequences of not paying their debts.

        Don’t worry about whether we can pay our debts–the Fed will save us no matter what we do?! That’s the last straw before the whole place goes up in smoke. That’s the point of no return.

        We don’t want to go there yet. The long term effects of saving Congress from itself are probably worse than the short term effects of a default. You’re encouraging that behavior, and the behavior you’re encouraging is Congress’ willingness to knowingly spend more than it can borrow. That’s far from Congress’ willingness to spend whatever they can finance with borrowing.

        1. It’s like the difference between spending more than you can afford and robbing banks.

          1. We’ve been robbing banks since Nixon closed the gold window. Confidence in the reserve currency can only carry a country so far. (Plus trillions of dollars of military power, directed at any country eroding confidence in that currency.) Our actions in both the foreign policy realm, and as you note, continued unsupported gigantic domestic spending, are about to turn the global reserve currency into something else.

            I don’t know what that’ll be. Some flavor of internationally-backed crypto, perhaps. It’s not going to be fun.

        2. As you well know, “default” is a very technical term of art when it comes to organizational finance and debt securities. Would the US actually be in default on any of those existing obligations? I genuinely don’t know. But I don’t see such hypothetical purchases as qualitatively different than what the Fed has been doing the last decade or so.

          AIUI, if the Fed wasn’t buying bond issues then, no one would have. And since the US Government evidently hates issuing long term debt, and is consequently having to continually roll over existing debt instruments nearing maturity, the Fed would be preventing a default on many of those prior instruments as well.

          I’ll disagree with you about whether or not “we are there,” as an economy and a nation. The US is in really deep shit. So is China.

      2. The Fed is already buying 80 billion in Treasuries every month (960 billion a year) along with 40 billion in mortgage backed securities (480 billion a year) to help keep interest rates low. If the Fed even starts talking about “the taper:” — meaning that they will eventually, someday, possibly, not end mind you, but reduce that level of purchases, the stock market tanks.

  50. Risk calculations must move beyond vaccinated/unvaccinated, age data suggests.

    About 9 months late on this plainly obvious conclusion, but I guess we’ll take what we can get.

    1. 9 months? More like 14. It was obvious after Cuomo and Jersey boy killed all those people. The curve has not changed since that time.

  51. Joe Rogan likens ‘anti-American’ COVID vaccine mandates to Nazi concentration camps in scathing video

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10031987/Joe-Rogan-video-compares-covid-restrictions-Holocaust-warns-people-giving-freedoms-American.html

    Is that where you guys get your stupidity? Rogan?

    1. Don’t need Rogan we have you feckless cunt jeffsarcredneck

    2. I don’t see the controversy here. And the video wasn’t made by Rogan, it was made by Samuel Rivera Films.

      I also think it’s been a perfectly reasonable observation to say that the covid panic as taught us “who would have hidden Anne Frank and who would have turned her in”. Further, I think it’s also a reasonable observation by Lionel Shriver to realize she had been too harsh on the 1930s era German people. She had always wondered what was fundamentally wrong with their culture to have allowed such an abomination to take root in their country. Now she’s watching the entire western world lock down its population, cavalierly using “prison terminology” to do so, and we happily go along with it.

      These comparisons can be useful.

      However, instead of reading the Daily Mail article, which is the Media warmed-over, fluffed up take, I’d prefer to watch the Rogan segment myself. Because the media lies almost as a matter of course.

      “He sat in prison for 9 years for stealing a backpack!!11!!”

      1. There are people in these comments who honestly believe that forced vaccinations are the same as concentration camps. I’d really like them to preach that to Jewish people who lost family members to the Holocaust. See them get their lights justifiably punched out.

        1. Look, if we’re suddenly going to get animated about direct holocaust comparisons to whatever passing malediction we identify in our “relatively” free western society, then there’s one particular arm of the political spectrum that has a lot to answer for.

          “Trump is literal hitler!”

          “What, you really think he’s going to off six million of his fellow countrymen?”

          “Well, no…but…”

          “Ok, then what is it, is it the bad ‘stache, is it the dodgy landscape painting you take issue with?”

          1. So it’s ok to compare vaccinating people to protect them from a disease with systematic murder, because the other guys said “Hitler!” first?

            Sorry dude, but comparing forced vaccinations with jamming people into trains of death is just stupid. Seriously. “Let’s save millions of lives” is the same as “Let’s take millions of lives”?

            1. I’m not saying it’s an apt comparison, but until I see the video, I don’t believe shit about what a hyper pro-vaccine journalist portrayed it. I’ve seen this too many times to buy into the moral panic.

              Maybe I’m desensitized to it. We compare ourselves to Nazi Germany because a half dozen rioters who burned down a city block and attacked and beat store owners had to spend 3 hours in a holding cell before being released with no charges.

            2. Comparing a totalitarian government exercising total authority over its citizenry to a totalitarian government exercising total authority over its citizenry is not incorrect factually or morally you stupid piece of shit. Yes: It is every bit as bad for a government in 2021 to force someone to inject chemicals into their body with the possibility of being murdered by an armed agent of the state for non-compliance as it was for a government in Germany in 1942 to forcibly inject Jews with chemicals during the course of medical experiments. It’s why we hanged those pieces of fucking shit at Nuremberg and passed laws requiring informed consent for medical procedures. And I’ll be more than fucking happy to shove my fist so far up your manpussy I can tickle the back of your eyeballs any time you feel like it you pathetic fucking bootlicking faggot. But of course you’ll pussy out on your threats like you always do. Maybe try to invite me to the gloryhole at your next Marilyn Manson concert.

            3. “Let’s save millions of lives” is the same as “Let’s take millions of lives”?

              Yep, the government is always altruistically saving lives, isn’t it bootlicker?

            4. Are you really too stupid to know that things didn’t start at death camps? That there was a ramp up of behaviors prior to that, such as shunning a minority of the population? The same tacts also taken in Russia and by the Red Guard? But no, you go with the most idiotic tact possible to “own those cons”.

              1. We literally have laws against medical experimentation and requiring informed consent as a result of the Holocaust and the demonic piece of shit Nazis we hanged after Nuremberg and this drunken, historically illiterate piece of shit thinks people should be beaten up for invoking comparisons to modern medical experimentation by the US government.

                1. “…this drunken, historically illiterate piece of shit thinks people should be beaten up for invoking comparisons to modern medical experimentation by the US government….”

                  Now contemplate that there are a lot more people who feel as he does, than you do, and that their votes count exactly the same as yours.

                  Whatever system of government dominates the North American continent in the next decade, I don’t think it’ll have universal suffrage as a characteristic.

              2. Let me know when they start rounding up the unvaccinated and start putting them in ovens.

                1. Oh, it won’t go that far. They will just lose their jobs and get no unemployment benefits or be dishonorably discharged from the military.

                2. Good to know that you will support any government action short of mass murder.

                  Here’s an interesting historical factoid for you since you’re a totally and completely ignorant, uneducated, stupid piece of shit: they didn’t start putting Jews into ovens until 1941. Eight full years after Hitler became Chancellor. Six full years after the Nuremberg Laws that excluded Jews from participation in German society. I guess those uppity Yuden had no right to complain until the first cylinder of Zyklon B was popped, right you fucking worthless totalitarian piece of subhuman shit?

                  1. LOL. That is literally the argument he is making here. It is amazing.

                3. Are you capable of understanding the written word? Honest question.

                  So your only pushback against authoritarianism is when ovens start? Quite libertarian of you,.

            5. So it’s ok to compare vaccinating people to protect them from a disease with systematic murder, because the other guys said “Hitler!” first?

              First of all it’s OK to make any fucking comparison you wish to make because freedom of speech and conscience is an intrinsic human right.

              Second, it’s not OK to fly into a histrionic bitch-fit and propose using violence about one if you didn’t fly into a histrionic bitch-fit and propose using violence about the other, because it makes you a hypocritical piece of shit carrying water for a political party.

        2. Nah, it’s just another example of Godwin’s law

          1. Speaking of which, Social Democrat Olaf Scholtz appears set to be Germany’s new Chancellor.

            https://news.yahoo.com/social-democrats-win-germany-could-231904547.html

            “That’s why Scholz believes ‘the biggest, most important national issue of interest of Germany is the European Union,’ because ‘only with the bloc of 470 million that we are, do we represent and bring some weight to the table,’ Schmidt said.”

            “Scholz could now join France’s Emmanuel Macron and Italy’s Mario Draghi at the center of a powerful pro-Europe axis.”

            Do you know who else was elected German Chancellor from a Socialist party who wanted to unite Europe on a shared axis with Italy?

        3. Citation?

          We know it’s another sarcasmic strawman though.

        4. Low IQ sarcasmic thinks he’s making a point, but low IQ sarcasmic is too stupid to understand the comment he’s responding to.
          Either that, or low IQ sarcasmic is lying.
          Low IQ sarcasmic should put a bullet in his worthless brain.
          Low IQ sarcasmic is an impotent wannabe stasi faggot who’s bitter that people burst his little narcissistic bubble, and forever resentful of those far more intelligent and independent than he likes to think he is.

    3. I mean, vaccine passports and disallowing people that refuse to follow government orders is a good thing… right Sarcasmic?

      You are free to even read what ENB posted, but you dismiss it in an attempt to “get those conservatives”. LOL.

      1. Mmm, hmmm. Whatever you say. It’s not like anything I say can overcome the voices in your head.

        1. “Sure you all have quotes of me saying that, but I’m going to pretend you’re hearing things like the pathetic drunk that I am.”

          1. As if that was somehow worse than him advocating for beating people up for comparing totalitarian medical experiments in Germany to totalitarian medical experiments in the United States. Of course the drunken child rapist will be pretending he never said that by this time tomorrow. I sincerely hope he gets stomach cancer and lingers for about 3 fucking years. Cirrhosis is too good for him.

        2. sarcasmic
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          Let me know when they start rounding up the unvaccinated and start putting them in ovens.

          Hmmm….

  52. The organization acknowledged that changing references from women to people was a mistake — albeit a well-intentioned one.

    That’s a matter of debate, New York Times. Your “well-intentioned” is my attempt erase women via trans activism.

    1. And fuck the ACLU. If you have to modify historical fact to push a narrative, there’s literally no use for you.

  53. • Gustavo Turner at XBiz pushes back against New York Times columnist Michelle Goldberg’s suggestion that young people are turning against “sex positivity.”

    #ThemToo

    I s’pose how one defines ‘sex positivity’.

    There was an interesting minor kerfuffle in the video game world where the Japanese released a game with a rather… well endowed protagonist, and millennial game reviewers considered the game’s character design antiquated and out of touch with modern sensibilities. It’s gotten to the place where you have to portray women as style-less frumps for the Millennial and Zoomer generation to be happy.

    1. Insanely ripped men however, still okay and not objectifying

    2. As an otaku, I like my fan service to include realistic, physics-based breast jiggling. It’s silly as fuck, but it’s entertaining.

    3. Also, anything of which the cult of sarkeesian disapproves is likely worthwhile.

      1. “If there’s one thing Millennials love more than smashing the patriarchy, it’s women who sell sex for money.”

    4. It’s gotten to the place where you have to portray women as style-less frumps for the Millennial and Zoomer generation to be happy

      It’s more that you have to portray women as masculine for Californian leftists to be happy. The “women” in modern western media straight up look like men because something something representation something. There’s a reason that, for example, Japanese manga is absolutely tearing western comics.

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  55. 19 months later and reason has finally moved into April 2020.

    NO SHIT AGE TRUMPS VACCINATION STATUS

    1. You obviously don’t understand how the morning roundup works.

  56. Nothing new there. We have known all along that the risk of serious illness or death increases with age. We have also known that the vaccines are not 100% effective. Nobody informed has claimed otherwise.

    I think there is too much focus on the death rate. It is far from the only bad outcome. Even if it doesn’t land you in the hospital it can knock you on your butt for weeks or months and the acute stage can feel like absolute crap. Some people I know have had lingering symptoms of fatigue and brain fog for months.

    Other than general trends I have stopped looking at the numbers.

    On the good news front both Pfizer and Merck are in late stage trials for new oral drugs to treat Covid. The idea is you would start taking it as soon as you test positive and then for a week. They are finding that it can at least cut duration and symptoms in half.

    Also the home test kits are available but hard to find. People are grabbing them as soon as they come in. I have one on the shelf and used one when I felt sick a few weeks ago. Negative.

    1. What’s the treatment basis behind those oral drugs? How long does something like take to be OTC?

      1. The one I saw looked like it is a biologic an immunoglobulin based drug. Remdesivir is but that has to be given IV. I doubt it will be OTC but it would be nice if it could be dispensed by a pharmacist.

        A lot of pharmacies have those quick clinics now anyway with a Nurse who can prescribe medicine.

        The article said they are in late stage 3 trials so after that it would be up to the FDA to approve it.

      2. Or could be an inhibitor like Tamiflu. It blocks viral replication.

      3. It would be nice if they had a home test where you could test for flu at the same time. They are not the most accurate but at least you could get an idea.

        The new PCR tests do that. They test for flu at the same time which is great because it is hard to tell the difference based on symptoms.

        1. Yeah that would be a step up. I didn’t know about the quick clinics that’s improvement in dispensing so a positive. We’ll if they work well probably a good idea for the rest homes/retirement communities especially.

          1. I don’t know if they have them everywhere but CVS and Walgreens and I heard Walmart. Not all of them and you have to call because they have hours.

            They are staffed by nurse practitioners or PAs and only do basic stuff like if you have a sore throat or something.

            For that it is way better than an urgent care or the mess that is the ED.

            Plus they can start a real PCR test there to verify what you have.

  57. U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren on Tuesday called Federal Reserve Chairman Jerome Powell “a dangerous man” and said she would oppose any move by the Biden White House to give him a second four-year term.

    During a Senate Banking Committee hearing, Warren said that Powell has taken “plenty of actions” to weaken Fed oversight over the nation’s biggest banks. These same banks benefited from government support to financial markets in the aftermath of last year’s crisis sparked by the coronavirus, she said.

    “Over and over, you have acted to make our banking system less safe. And that makes you a dangerous man to head up the Fed. And that is why I will oppose your nomination,” Warren, a Democrat from Massachusetts, said. Marketwatch

    I loathe this stupid grandstanding bitch.

    Powell was Trump’s one good appointment. And the banks are flush with capital while their stock prices reflect robust health.

    The Squaw is still campaigning as a bank hating polulist.

  58. Perhaps this cretin author should consider that we have a safe vaccine for the unvaccinated, but we don’t have a vaccine for old age. One of these variables is easily resolved while the other never will be.

    F..ing idiots!

    1. PS did I mention that the vaccine for Covid is not only proven safe, but inexpensive, and readily available in the US? The vaccine for old age exists only in unicorn hunters like the author of this crappy article.

        1. NO Cronut, just not an idiot, and I can count the dead from getting the shot and the dead and dying not getting it.

          1. You fucked up the chemical formula for water, and thought vaccines sanitized viruses. I’d say you’re totally an idiot.

          2. I can count the dead from getting the shot and the dead and dying not getting it.

            What about the dead after getting the shot? Are you going to count those? Because it turns out the outcomes for the elderly are bleak regardless.

            No, you won’t count those because you are not arguing in good faith. Now run away again.

            https://reason.com/2021/09/22/dont-import-vaccine-mandates-for-domestic-travel/#comment-9117480

          3. nd I can count the dead from getting the shot and the dead and dying not getting it.

            16,000 deaths and counting so far. Out of about 175 million doses of vaccine. Meaning your odds of dying from the vaccine are about 1 in 11,000. Your odds of dying of COVID if you are under 70 is 1 in 10,000.

            1. BS Alfredo:

              Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. Vaccination is happening under the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.

              How do we know if someone dies after getting a vaccine?

              The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

              How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

              Between December 2020 and July 19th, 2021, VAERS received 6,207 reports of death (0.0018% of doses) among people who got a vaccine, but this does not mean the vaccine caused these deaths. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

              1. Over 339 million vaccine doses were given to 187.2 million people in the US as of July 19, 2021. </blockquote.

                It's a 2 dose treatment you fucking imbecile, see if you can do the math.

                The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS).

                No, it does not. VAERS is a voluntary system and is infrequently used. It’s only being utilized more now because of the highly public nature of the controversy surrounding COVID vaccines.

                When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

                No, they do not. The VAERS system is unmonitored and unverified. It’s not a very good system to use for calculating vaccine complications, but unfortunately it’s the only data we have.

                Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine.

                No, they do not. If you are going to lie, lie about something not so easily debunked by your own fact-checkers eager to dismiss VAERS data as unreliable and unverified (true as far as it goes; although it’s useful to note that the Covid vax has more reports in VAERS than all other vaccines combined since the system was launched in 1990).

              2. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented.

                Well, we don’t actually, because they often form in lung tissue where the devastating effects won’t come to full fruition for years, much like asbestos exposure. Since they’re also opportunistic to reproductive organs, and since pregnant or expectant mothers have been excluded from all of the currently-competed clinical trials, we have absolutely no idea if we’re going to end up with another thalidomide in 2, 3, 5, 10 years.

                Here you can find the actual VAERS data you are lying about.

        2. Do you work for Pfizer?

          Well, he sure doesn’t work for Johnson & Johnson

      1. PS did I mention that the vaccine for Covid is not only proven safe, but inexpensive, and readily available in the US?

        Did you forget to mention 600,000 adverse reactions and 16,000 deaths caused by the vaccine? Or that the efficacy of the vaccine is down to 39%?

        1. Yes, Alfredo, I “forgot” to mention the BS you believe.

          1. Seems you also forgot to cite any data. I cited all of mine.

    2. >>safe vaccine for the unvaccinated

      give it five years.

      1. You give it 5 years dilinger, and good luck in the ICU. You probably want a study on the long term effects of fire extinguishers before putting out the blaze in your house.

        1. Fire extinguishers are deadly weapons only used by insurgents. Why do you have one in your house?

        2. oh, and – false equivalence.

        3. If the FDA waits five years to allow a vaccine to be used they’re accused of killing millions by not letting them get vaccinated, and when they don’t they’re accused of potentially killing millions with an experimental drug.

          Poor FDA. They just can’t win.

          1. They’re the ’62 Mets of government agencies.

          2. Is it through a hateful lens that I judge you are recycling your same tired response from yesterday sans the insult to conservatives, Mr. no-sides?

            https://reason.com/2021/09/27/cdc-director-recognizes-confusion-over-covid-19-booster-vaccines/#comment-9125744

            It wasn’t witty in either form. Try again tomorrow.

          3. As I’ve said before, we went from having to beg the government for a “right to try” experimental drugs just a few short years ago, to the government mandating experimental drugs. It’s almost like the issue isn’t the FDA, but the coercion and state violence, you bootlicking faggot piece of shit.

            1. Alfredo you ignorant slut, you don’t know WTF you are talking about.
              Take your shot and shut up or go away and shut up. Your choice.

              1. Just so you know. Alfredo is a troll known as Tulpa. He makes a new account name every day.

                1. Just so you know, the asshole Mike is a liar.

                2. Lol. Replying to your own sockpuppet accusing me of being Tulpa because you are still autistic to pick up on distinctive writing, rhetorical and grammatical characteristics of individual people is one of the saddest things I can possibly imagine.

                  Cited all my data. Cite yours or shut the fuck up you bootlicking bitch.

        4. Yeah, you’re probably the wrong guy to be beating on about fire extinguishers, Mike.

          1. HAHAHAHAHA… fire, hehe, extinguishers… heeheehee, because you, ho, remember, ha, that he said… heheheh… he said… HAHAHA, hooooo… because he is a fucking idiot.

        5. >>>good luck in the ICU

          I’ll know my eyeballs didn’t fall out because Pfizer.

  59. “Gen. McKenzie: “I recommended we keep 2,500 troops in Afghanistan.” Also says he predicted withdrawing them would cause the Afghan army to collapse and the Taliban taking over. Gen. Milley agrees.”

    https://twitter.com/joshrogin/status/1442857046282412042?s=19

    Both Milley and McKenzie testifying that they did advise Biden that the Afghan government would collapse.

    1. Cronut, the Afghan army collapsed when we had 2500 troops there. That’s what Trump left.

      1. The Afghan army collapsed when we closed Bagram without notifying them, knowing they would be left high and dry when the time came.

        1. Gee Unicorn, they knew the score when Trump held his pow wow with the Taliban without including them and got them to release 5k prisoners.

          1. They did know the score with Trump, but your junta threw all that in the toilet, and then fucked everyone over.

            The UK parliament didn’t censure Biden for fucking them over in Afghanistan, just because.

            1. Mother, my leader was actually elected by most American voters – that’s only happened once in the last 8 elections for the GOP candidate – so we call him Mr President, not Junta leader.

              The Afghani government knew Trump cut them out of the talks with the Taliban, got 5k prisoners released for them, and cut 15k troops down to 2.5k troops 4 months before his announced leave date, so if they knew the score then, they knew Trump was throwing them under the bus.

              1. Mike, how stupid do you think everyone here is?
                Apparently you’re the only one here who hasn’t read the agreement and didn’t know the level of Afghan government involvement, which made you think you could flat out lie about it just now.
                A lot of us here get or info from other sources than CNN’s twitter feed and ActBlue talking-point PDFs.

                I’m going to give you one chance to retract your lie before pulling out links and quotes. Do you want to take it, or do you want to double down?

                1. Mother. the Afghani government was not part Trump’s negotiations with the Taliban, nor did they sign the agreement.

                  1. Choke on it you lying fuck, and ask your manger to give you more in-depth talking points memos next time:
                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doha_Agreement_(2020)#Intra-Afghan_dialogue_and_negotiations

              2. Mikey: The president of the United States is elected by the Electoral College as outlined in the United States Constitution, not by national popular vote.

                Hope that helps.

                1. That’s right Alfredo, and the only way you’re sorry ass candidates get in office anymore is some EC winner take all back door fluke, like Kerry almost won by in 2004 – 60k votes in Ohio would have given him the presidency with less overall votes than W.

                  You must be very proud!

                  1. Stuff your head up your ass, JF.

                  2. That’s how every president has been elected.

                    1. BUT EVERYTHING IS SO TERRIBLE UNFAIR UNLESS DEMOCRATS GET TO STEAL ELECTIONS WITH CHICANERY AND PROTRACTED MONTHS LONG LEGAL BATTLES!!!!!!!

          2. But they decided to wait until Bagram was abruptly closed. Yeah.

      2. Trump was president in August of 2021? I thought he lost those election lawsuits?

    2. Milley and Austin also seem to be at odds.

      Milley also says his China call was at the direction of Mark Esper, and that Pelosi contacted him about the nuke codes, and all he did was clarify that there were procedures in place to prevent an illegal, unauthorized, or accidental launch.

      Let the bus throwing begin.

    1. Hey Chumby, lay off our ex-President.

      1. Keep sucking Biden’s dick, just don’t expect it to get hard.

        1. Unicorn, apparently you like to fellate politicians you agree with, but I don’t think I’m over generalizing when I say most of us don’t.

          1. Project much?

      2. Reminder that Joe Friday is Mike Laursen’s sock for evading mutes.

        1. No Mother, actually I’m ex-Antifa colonel, now working for the FBI in the Deep State. I get my marching orders form that Georgetown pizza place where Hillary picks up her sacrificial infants and where the capital police all had lunch before January 6th.

          1. But you still haven’t cracked open a chemistry book.

          2. That bitchy irritation whenever you’re caught doing incredibly stupid shit is a dead giveaway Mike.

            1. I sincerely believe that he and sarcasmic are autistic or on the spectrum at least. They don’t realize that they are using the same rhetorical and verbal tics that out themselves every time because they are so socially retarded and can’t understand the way humans interact with each other. It’s also why sarcasmic routinely mistakes me for Tulpa or you or JesseAz despite our entirely different writing styles and rhetorical tics. They can’t recognize them in others anymore than they can in themselves.

              1. LOL! If I didn’t know for certain that people could be such aggravating attention whores without any compensation at all, I would suspect they were paid based on the number of responses.

                As it is, they disrupt and distract the flow of any conservative leaning conversation. Even without assigning motive, it is honest to say they are political operatives.

                1. Chuck, this isn’t “conservative leaning conversation”. Conservatives don’t deny clear scientific evidence because they believe in crackpot conspiracies, nor do they tolerate regular posters with anger management issues repeatedly calling people they disagree with foul names and wishing for their painful death.

                  If this is a serious board, you should police it just a little and let the nuts know you won’t be silent about their odious presence just because you may agree with them on foreign policy.

                    1. Ah, there’s one of your mental patients there Chuck! Now, act like a conservative, not a cult member.

                    2. Telling you to fuck off is probably a saner response than continuing to engage your gaslighting ass in debate, Mike.

                  1. let the nuts know you won’t be silent about their odious presence just because you may agree with them on foreign policy

                    Why, that is exactly what I have been doing. Now, I am not sure about your foreign policy stance, but you can certainly go ahead and jot that down, tightly roll up the paper and insert it into your rectum along with your pretentious preening.

                    Oh, and be sure not to allow any odious presence to strike your posterior as you flee through the doorway.

                  2. But, in all seriousness, if you pulled the kind of passive-aggressive gaslighting you do in the comments on me or a member of my family in person, I would lay waste to you. You might want to consider the ramifications of fucking with people you fail to comprehend.

                    Plus, you suck at logic, pussy.

                    https://reason.com/2021/09/22/dont-import-vaccine-mandates-for-domestic-travel/#comment-9117480

                  3. Awwww, you gonna pout back to Quora again Mikey? Lmfao.

      3. Lay off our ex president? Bill Clinton is fair game.

      4. Hey, JF! We don’t need more TDS-addles lefty shits. Fuck off and die.

  60. Anniversaries are the perfect time to remember why we are there. Remember why we keep trying, why we care so much and why we want to keep doing it. It’s finding your reflection in the eyes of the person you love and realizing the smile in your face.
    It is a moment to look back on time and see the road traveled with all the willingness to keep walking that same stretch, to keep walking by their side.
    https://bit.ly/3kEgmyR

  61. age in isolation is NOT an accurate risk assessment factor. Many other issues are far more signficant.

    I have never followed any of the mandates, orders, etc, have been consistently out and about in public just asI have been for decades, been in close and extended contact with people known to have been infected with the WuFlu (AFTER our close extended contact), and have never gotten the virus… until two weeks ago. I still have NO IDEA where I contacted the stuff. I am 74, have other health issues (severe injuries, asthma, sleep dusturbances, etc) but am NOT overweight, and I eat carefully and well. On a pre-scheduled visit to my doc on an unrelated issue, she noticed some scratchy throat evidence.. asked me, yup, these past three, four days. NO fever, no plugged sinuses, all four lobes of lungs clear, heartbeat perfect, oxygen sat normal,slight scratchy throat and occasionoal cough. She suggested a rapid test, came back POSITIVE tn minutes later. I am now two weeks out, nearly whole again, slight chest congestion, no fever, occasional cough.

    By the “guiding lights” of the “eggs spurts” I should be in hospital and intubated, dying of the covid.
    I have done NOTHING unusual that I’ve not already been doing for decades. It was like a bad cold, nothing more

    This covidiocy has been by far the biggest scam ever perpetrated on humanity. time we wake up, GROW UP, and just go about our lives again. Isreal, nearly 100% fully vaccinated, are having their people dying like flies, Haiti, doing amost nothing, had one of the lowest infection and fatality rates on the planet.. their former (now assassiated) president had refused to go along with all the hooplah, restrictions, mandates, vaccines.. and was murdered for his stance. But Haitians are NOT getting sick as they “should be”.

    We’ve been lied to, big time.

    1. Tionico, you have been lucky, and good for you. The data says otherwise to your experience, and anecdotally, a co-worker in his 50’s who may be 10,lbs overweight – in another words, not at all – and very active in a physical job – caught covid 2 weeks ago and he is knocked on his ass. Hopefully he will not “long covid” which is the one were it lingers for months and your energy and breath is gone or that he doesn’t die as that happens too. 1 out of 460 Americans has died from it, more than any war in our history, and of those recuperating, 20% return to their doc with chronic issues affecting their lungs, heart, or brain. Considering the alternative is a no brainer involving a safe vaccine, of which there have been 3 confirmed deaths from from blood clots – now a recognizable rare side effect that can be treated – there is no reason to tolerate the disease or the idiots who wont get shots. You should get one because studies show even those who have survived it and developed anti-bodies benefit for the vaccine. If not, please stay away from others. No one knows how long natural immunity lasts, and especially with new variants possible.

      1. Fuck off and dies, slaver.

      2. We know that natural immunity from infection lasts longer than the vaccines.

        1. That’s false Zeb:

          “If you’ve had COVID-19 before, does your natural immunity work better than a vaccine?

          The data is clear: Natural immunity is not better. The COVID-19 vaccines create more effective and longer-lasting immunity than natural immunity from infection.

          More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies
          Natural immunity fades faster than vaccine immunity
          Natural immunity alone is less than half as effective than natural immunity plus vaccination.

          https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/covid-19-studies-natural-immunity-versus-vaccination

          And another study from Israel found that a vaccine benefitted those with natural immunity.

          1. White Friday has to go to Nebraska to get the latest Science!? I suppose he is ignoring Israel because it contradicts the passive-racist Progressive agenda on so many levels.

            Tell you what. I got sick August 2nd and have not been vaccinated. I will meet you anywhere 90 days from my first negative test, November 15th or so, and we can go visit some people with active symptoms of COVID and see who tests positive first.

            I have every confidence that I have an effective natural immunity and that you are nothing but a giant pussy collecting your paycheck 2 bits at a time. Prove me wrong.

            1. Chuck, the Nebraska article summarizes other studies which are linked and unlike you and Zeb is authored by medical experts. Here’s one of those linked:

              https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/9/21-1042_article

              Don’t be a fool. Get your shot. The Israeli study found that the unvaccinated who had survived a case benefitted by the vaccine.

              I don’t get your paycheck question. I’ve owned my own business and made payroll for others for 40+ years.

          2. That’s false Zeb:

            No, it’s not Mikey

            And another study from Israel found that a vaccine benefitted those with natural immunity.

            No, it didn’t Mikey. Feel free to cite it since I’m sure you won’t read past the headline of the Israeli study I posted due to the vocabulary and science beyond miles beyond your comprehension level .

            Any other lies I could snap off in your asshole for you while I’m here? Because I gotta get going soon.

            1. Here you go Alfredo:

              “The researchers also found that people who had SARS-CoV-2 previously and received one dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech messenger RNA (mRNA) vaccine were more highly protected against reinfection than those who once had the virus and were still unvaccinated….”

              https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital

          3. More than a third of COVID-19 infections result in zero protective antibodies

            Bait and switch. In the middle of a worldwide pandemic, that result came from a study of 72 patients.

            Liars gotta lie.

            1. Sure Chuck, you and Zeb’s first person anecdotes are based on how many?

          4. LOL it’s harder to say that with a straight face while also telling people they need booster shots after 8 months.

            If natural immunity faded faster than vaccine immunity it would be VERY obvious by now.

            1. Huh? We are having surges in hospitalizations all over the country, the patients almost all being unvaccinated. It’s far from obvious that natural immunity is working as well as vaccination.

  62. “If we want to believe, say, a vaccinated 75-year-old is safe, have we now simply normalized a higher level of individual risk than seemed moral to accept as recently as 12 months ago, given that they may not be any less in danger of dying than an unvaccinated 53-year-old?”

    No. If our 75 year olds had as much risk as our 53 year olds at the beginning of this, we wouldn’t have shut everything down. We don’t shut down the economy for the flu. We don’t shut down schools for RSV (which is putting far more kids in the hospital than COVID, btw). All of garbage we have been dealing with only had one purpose: protect our seniors. If they were at the same risk as middle age folks, we would have just let it rip, just like we did for H1N1, swine flu, bird flu, seasonal flu, etc.

    Personally, I would have preferred that we listened to the Barrington declaration and figured out how to isolate our seniors while letting everyone else gain natural immunity, rather than dragging it out so long that it practically ensured that seniors would get exposed, while trashing the economy, mental health, schooling, etc. But… whatever. However, now that our seniors have the ability to protect themselves down to a middle age risk level, there is no reason left to avoid pulling the band-aid. Seniors refusing to vaccinate are unlikely to change their mind in the near future. Vaccinated seniors who will die if exposed, are, inevitably, going to get exposed at some point, no matter what we do. I can’t fathom any good reason to keep dragging this out. It is time to return to normal, with an understanding that some will die of infectious disease. Some, a blameless tragedy, much like the many flu and pnumonia deaths we have every year. Some, people winning stupid prizes for making stupid decisions, not that different from folks today who refuse to take their heart pressure medicine as prescribed. Death due to illness is, unfortunately, still a normal part of life. One that will not go away by continuing to force our kids to mask and jam q-tips up their nose.

    1. Iridium, things are not shut down now and the best way you can keep us from returning to that is to get your shot and encourage others to do the same. We have a free safe and effective vaccine and yet many states have less than 50% receiving it. That is the primary break on the trajectory toward a clear economy. Once vaccines are cleared for kids, we’ll be in much better shape.

      By the way, a study done last summer showed that people were staying away from businesses primarily based on fear for their safety, not edicts from government.

      This BS macho tough it out nonsense won’t work while people fear for the lives and health – 20% of those who get it experience chronic like conditions affecting their heart, lungs, and brains which cause them to return to their doces within months – and that of their loved ones.

      1. Can you provide more detail on this 20% go to the doctor statistic? I have not heard anything like that. There are a few who get long COVID, but that doesn’t impact 20% of people.

  63. One of the first posts was by ThomasD, who mentioned the pandemic on the cruise ship, the Diamond Princess, in February 2020 – so some of the earliest data we had.

    From Wikipedia:

    Of the 3,711 people aboard Diamond Princess on the 20 January cruise, 1,045 were crew and 2,666 were passengers. The median age of the crew was 36 while the median age of the passengers was 69. The passengers were 55% female and the crew was 81% male. Of the 712 infections, 145 occurred in crew and 567 occurred in passengers.

    So 14% of the crew were infected, and 21% of the passengers. Not such a big difference. And the average passenger was about twice the age of the average crew member.

    There was a total of 14 deaths. All the dead were older passengers; none were from the crew.

    A much bigger difference.

    So 0% of the total crew died, and 0.5% of the total passengers died.

    Or 0% of those crew who were infected died, and 2.5% of those passengers who were infected died.

    This was a highly atypical situation. Nevertheless, I think it gave us a ballpark figure for the magnitude of the effect we could expect on the population as a whole. We could start planning our response, the action needed to be taken to protect ourselves, based on that.

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