Gavin Newsom

Gov. Newsom Poised To Hold Off Recall Effort

As of 8:45 p.m., two-thirds of California voters favor letting him complete his first term.

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California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom will likely serve out the remainder of his first term as voters rebuff a recall effort.

As of 8:45 p.m., 59 percent of the votes have been counted and by a 67–32 margin, Newsom is on pace to keep his seat. Here's the Los Angeles Times live election results for those who want to keep tabs.

Newsom was elected in 2018 by a similarly wide margin, defeating Republican businessman Jon Cox, 62–38 percent. But as Newsom's oppressive pandemic shutdowns frustrated residents (and he was seen violating his own rules to attend a fancy dinner with lobbyists at The French Laundry), recall circulators were able to gather enough signatures to force the matter to a vote.

But while polls at points in the summer showed some voters (especially undecided voters) souring on Newsom, he maintained a solid base of support among Democrats (who significantly outnumber Republicans in California) and was able to get them to vote. In the final days before the recall, polls had Newsom surviving the recall.

Currently, in the event that the vote somehow flips (it would be very difficult and would pretty much require that most people who voted at the polls today support the recall), Republican talk show host Larry Elder is far and away the front-runner to replace him. Elder currently has 43 percent of the vote among the potential candidates vying to replace Newsom. Real estate YouTuber Kevin Paffrath, running as a Democrat, trails far behind in second place with 11 percent of the vote.

But those votes won't really matter unless Newsom is recalled, and it seems clear at this point that's not going to happen. CNN has called the election in Newsom's favor, as has the Associated Press.

Just before 9 p.m., Newsom gave a victory speech thanking Californians for rejecting the recall: "We said yes to science. We said yes to vaccines. We said yes to ending this pandemic. We said yes to people's right to vote without fear of fake fraud or voter suppression."

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  1. Fuck Joe Biden

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        2. “There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free–if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? “

          1. “Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. Three millions of people, armed in the holy cause of Liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave.”

            1. “Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable—and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
              It is vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, peace! But there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”

              1. Sadly, that was then, this is now.
                No Virginia politician would say those words now.

          2. I think this speech is probably more in line with the tenor of this conversation:

            “This new constitution. or form of government, constitutes the subject to which your attention will be partly invited. In reference to it, I make this first general remark: it amply secures all our ancient rights, franchises, and liberties. All the great principles of Magna Charta are retained in it. No citizen is deprived of life, liberty, or property, but by the judgment of his peers under the laws of the land. The great principle of religious liberty, which was the honor and pride of the old constitution, is still maintained and secured. All the essentials of the old constitution, which have endeared it to the hearts of the American people, have been preserved and perpetuated. Some changes have been made. Some of these I should have preferred not to have seen made; but other important changes do meet my cordial approbation. They form great improvements upon the old constitution. So, taking the whole new constitution, I have no hesitancy in giving it as my judgment that it is decidedly better than the old.”

        3. Well according to journolists assault, arson and murder count as peaceful so all good.

  2. Recall Argument: Newsom has failed, is a hypocrite, and has helped the downfall of California. *lists various ways California is going into the tubes*

    The Left: REEEEEEE TRUMP TRUMP REPUBLICANS! REPUBLICAN TRUMP REPUBLICAN!

    —–

    As a fellow Californian, these clowns get exactly what they deserve. I loudly argue with any of these fucks who say they are considering moving to another state. Hey Asshole, you are getting exactly what you fucking voted for. Why would you ever leave! You fucking hate Republicans so much to move to a state governed by them?

    Fucking idiots, all of them

    1. CA would be freer if Trump has put the state under martial law than it is with Newsom.

    2. Are they?

      https://twitter.com/TWines4congress/status/1437981301252968451?s=19

      Gavin Newsom currently has a 10% higher share of the vote than he had in the 2018 election. If that holds, it would astounding to see someone gain vote shares when 25% of petition signers were from his own party. Amazing

      1. Yeah this recall was fortified as fuck.

        How embarrassing would it be for Alphabet and Apple to have the other party governing their own backyard. They didn’t fraud a presidential election, just to watch some dinger Republican take home base.

      2. What do you think accounts for his enormous popularity, and especially his recent gain thereof? For all the complaints about him, he must be doing something right, but we don’t hear about that.

        1. He is Really, Really good at not being an icky republican. That is it. 100% it.

          The commercials here essentially say “The same people who voted for Trump and won’t concede the election are trying to steal this election. This recall is just like they tried to do on Jan 6. Don’t let those anti-vaxxing extremists take this state from you.”

          It had very little to nothing to do with Newsance and had everything to do with people continuing to blame republicans for 60 years of democrat mismanagement.

          1. Elections are rigged and the courts fail us. How much more are we going to take?

            Democrats need to be put to an end.

        2. What did Hugo Chavez do right? Or the Kims? Because they kept getting reelected too.

          It’s natural to think that our elections aren’t to that point, that gross electoral fraud is something only for Third World shitholes, but look at the anomalies in this election, or in the last Presidential, or the Georgia Senatorial races.

          Elections can no longer be relied upon, in the United States of 2021, as a means of determining the governance desires of the electorate. We are being ruled by a group of people who cannot be deposed by that method.

          Naturally, the 2022 midterms will show how fed-up Americans are with the current situation. Naturally. I want them to, will vote, and will help and encourage my friends and associates to vote.

          But have a plan if this next set of elections ends up showing us something different.

      3. This difference is likely due to the fact that Democrats were more likely to vote early and by mail whereas Republicans, who were told that mail-in ballots are fraudulent by their party leadership, were more likely to vote in person. There is an expectation that the pro-recall votes will tick up over the next few days but, statistically, aren’t going to get anywhere close to winning.

        1. The fix was likely in already. Democrats are emboldened by the success of their previous fraud efforts.

  3. Ha Ha . Good luck you idiots.

  4. Cue the Newsom recall win proof Democrats will win in 2022 stories.

    1. No one should be surprised Newsom when when Democrats outnumber Republicans 4 to 1 in this state.

      Now those who voted for this shouldn’t ever leave. But they do. And they fuck up other states.

      “Do you believe Democrats can do any wrong” is what I have to ask them, because despite Dems owning a supermajority and every statewide office, any failing is totally the fault of other things and NOT the people in charge

      1. No one should be surprised but I guarantee the stories I predicted will be out there in the next few days. And become a talking point for progressives.

        1. Correct.
          It’s laying the foundation for the next fraudulent (s)election

          1. Yeah Biden’s poll numbers should be in the 30s by then but they need some sort of cover. In my opinion if they did try to steal next terms elections with Biden extremely underwater, we will have another civil war. And I mean a real one, not some guy cosplaying a viking warrior shaman in the capital rotunda.

            1. It’s necessary.
              Totalitarians don’t simply get bored and stop.

              1. Seriously – why would them cosplaying an election and letting Rs “win” be evidence that the system isn’t fundamentally corrupted and we’re living under tyranny?
                Look where we are now.
                What is the fucking line?

              2. Everyone will sit around with their fingers up their asses saying “wait for the next one. If they fraud that, hoo-boy”.

                The Davos junta knows that as long as people are slightly comfortable, they won’t want to risk a disaster like an uprising. So they’ll work gradually, and won’t do enough to make people truly uncomfortable.
                For instance, when the Weimar inflation hits and peoples life savings are wiped out, they’ll use UBI to make up for it and create dependency.

                1. People won’t rebel, the midterms will be fortified as hell, and the establishment and it’s aristocrats will continue to amass power. Forever.

                  Two hundred years from now the United Nations history books will note the last real election happened in 2018, and the end of the American experiment began in November 2020.

                  1. If the establishment holds power forever then what’s to really complain about? Forever sounds better than going extinct. I can think of many worse alternatives than slightly uncomfortable, and isn’t that the human condition anyway?

                    1. Some people just don’t want to be as miserable as you.

                2. Interesting enough, most leaders (including Lee) didn’t believe that secession would actually happen or that it would lead to war. Union generals were assured that southern civilians only lukewarmly supported the war and would flock back to the flags as soon as the Union showed up (even Grant believed this as late as winter of 1862).
                  The British Crown also didn’t believe that the colonist were ready to revolt. And even after they revolted all three British Commanders were sure that it wasn’t strongly supported and would die out on its own.
                  King Louis was assured that the peasants weren’t on the edge of rebellion.
                  Dissatisfaction has been growing for some time, at least back to Clinton. If previous rebellions are any indications the powers that be, and a good portion of the population, don’t realize they are on the cuspis of a rebellion until it actually happens.

                  1. I’m asking you, someone who swore the oath, what is the line?

                    1. Nardz….See ‘School of Salamanca’. Your answer is there.

                      Violence (civil war) is the absolute last resort, after all other peaceful means have been exhausted.

                    2. XY, violence is the status quo now.
                      Or do you not consider pleading your obedience to be allowed to have a job violence?
                      Civil War is here. It’s happening. It’s just being waged by only one side while we hope they stop.

                    3. Nardz…you asked a fair question, which I thought was: At what point does violence become justifiable?

                      Answer: When all peaceful means have been exhausted. We are not at that point….yet.

              3. I’ve been saying this for a decade now. Progressives have completely taken over the democrats now. And I don’t mean cynical crooked posers like Schumer and Pelosi, who engage in pantomime and manipulation in their unholy obsession with clinging to power.

                It’s the young traitors like those bitches on ‘the squad’ and Biden’s handlers that are the real progs. Marxist true believers that want to completely tear down America. They won’t ever go away willingly. So something must be done about them.

                It won’t be pretty. But make no mistake, we will do what is necessary. The rights of one American are more valuable than the collective lives of all progressives.

            2. “In my opinion if they did try to steal next terms elections with Biden extremely underwater, we will have another civil war.”

              No, we won’t. Not so long as people have jobs to go to (or UBI checks to pick up), food in the fridge, weed in the bong, and product to consume. Only if that changes, might you see some violent displeasure with the governance state of affairs.

            3. soldier, no evidence anyone tried to steal the election other than Trump and some of party tools.

              1. Yes, you’ve been ordered to believe that by your masters. Do you receive your talking points through Media Matters, or another outlet?

                Either way, it’s best that you commit suicide. You are a malignant Marxist, with no right to exist.

      2. Democrats refuse to ever hold their elected representatives accountable for anything. Including screwing them over.

        1. Uh… Schwarzenegger ring any bells?

          1. The exception that proves the rule.

      3. Registered Democrats are 48%, registered Republicans are 24%. So the outnumbering is only 2 to 1. Get your facts straight. There’s no reason to be making up shit.

    2. Cue the Newsom recall win proof Democrats will win in 2022 stories.

      I’m afraid that they’re not going to be wrong.

      The Democrats and their friends in the media pulled every resource they had for years to make Trump (and thus Republicans) out to be evil incarnate, and low info voters take what they get from mainstream sources as gospel. The mere mention of Trump drives some normally sane people out of their fucking minds. Some laughed about Newsom’s strategy to make it all about Trump, but of course it looks like it worked.

      That Newsom won by such a large margin (supposedly, but again, the numbers will be reported as 100.00000% accurate and beyond question) sure as fuck is a horrible omen for what lies ahead for the midterms.

      In these idiot Covid free-shit-for-all times we live in (ie, the ‘New Normal’), it’s going to take a miracle to pry the approved candidates out of their offices. Oh well, tough shit for us I guess.

      1. Either Gruesome gets banished early, or he gets to own the clusterfuck of California completely.
        He’s gonna double down on the tyranny, let his foot slip on holding the tape down and resurgant issues with fire/blackouts/covid/the economy are gonna flatten what little support he actually has.
        Once he loses locally, Joe will appoint him to an unelected office.

  5. Too bad fuck Newsom and Biden

  6. I hoped California wouldn’t be hopeless. Maybe I am just hopeless.

    1. The solution is simple arithmetic. Subtract enough progressives from the equation and liberty increases.

  7. I think there should be a Federal law in which, if you move out of state as an adult, you’re unable to vote in your new state of residence in any capacity for 20 years or 5 presidential elections, whichever comes first.

    Sure, it’d be messy and there would be obvious kinks to work out, but it would prevent the locusts in CA who vote to fuck up their state from fleeing the consequences of their actions and voting to fuck up their new (red) state homes just the same as California.

    1. Rule of law doesn’t exist anymore.
      Kill or be killed is the whole of law now.

    2. I think there should be a Federal law in which, if you move out of state as an adult, you’re unable to vote in your new state of residence in any capacity for 20 years or 5 presidential elections, whichever comes first.

      Such a law would blatantly violate the Constitution, just so you know. Now, here in Florida, that might actually do some good. All the snowbird retirees that love the lack of income tax and don’t give a shit about the public schools because their grandkids live in other states would probably die before they’d get to vote for anyone in Florida.

      1. Get the fuck out of Florida, child molester.

  8. The result was never in doubt. Democrats are lunatics. California is their playground. Anyone that refused to see this until tonight needs to awake from their stupor and get the hell out of California. Leave California to the lunatic left. Let natural selection play out and when The Big One finally hits no one will care.

    1. Tony is patiently waiting for the big one to finally hit.

      1. Tony gets hit with the big one regularly at his local bathhouse. And alternately a massive black dildo that is an anatomical match to cockfight the adult film actor known as ‘Mandingo’.

        1. I shouldn’t have said that. It backfired. I am grossed out lol

          1. Tony gets some backfire after the big one’s been hitting for a while.

            1. At his local bathhouse.

          2. Tony’s sodomitic antics gross us all out, but it does make him the butt of many jokes.

    1. Cockroaches line up to celebrate that their sewage wasn’t taken away today. They call that a victory lol

  9. It’s sad, but fearmongering is extremely effective. Create and enemy, and prove that you’re the only thing that stands between them and the enemy. It can racism, it can be a disease, it can be the Taliban, it can be China, whatever.

    Telling people they need to get beyond their fear is just not popular.

    1. I really need to edit more carefully when I’ve had a drink or two. But at least my core point is fairly clear, even if my sentences are complete trash.

    2. That depends, doesn’t it? If the threat is real, like an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist saying they’d undo all the popular COVID-19 restrictions if they were governor, then running a platform on what your opponent is telling people he’d do isn’t really “fearmongering” but just honest information.

      Fearmongering is calling a bunch of barefoot refugees an “invasion” and blaming them for making this country “filthy.” Or “replacement theory.” Or election fraud lies.

  10. Watching Newsmax where Dick Morris decided that he’d rather take a call than talk to one of the peanut overlords. Hilarious.

    1. “peanut overlords”

      Poor Buttplug can’t sock properly when he’s trolling. He constantly gives himself away.

  11. Time to get really high and laugh my arse off at the coming “election fraud” accusations.

    1. Roaches actively vote pro-shit. No fraud needed lol

      1. {Snort, snort} LOL… oh, you peanuts are fucking hilarious.

        1. LOL original, peanuts… 😀 Peanuts, like, I don’t know what you’re seeing, but weed is green and smells like a plant. That yellowish stuff that smells like plastic is called DMT and you should probably pay your mortgage instead of wasting your money on it lol

    2. But getting high might actually be a good idea thanks for reminding me

    3. Your life has no value, and you have no right to it.

    4. I personally witnessed at least 2.6 million dead people voting.

      1. Would that you, and your sox, were amongst them …

    5. Your mother wishes she had an abortion every year on your birthday.

  12. {Snort, snort} Where do they get these fucking rubes on Newsmax. This is the funniest shit ever.

    1. Well I didn’t know about Newsmax, but I tuned in for a moment after hitting it. Now, I have a question: Is having no hobbies or life a requirement to join the socialist misfits or is that what makes you a specially special snowflake among them? 🙂 (Thinking about becoming one of you for a little while 🙂 )

      1. Shrike is a paid troll. He’s doing his job.

        1. And he just spawned a wild Tony! Fu-Cken-A!

      2. Surely there is some room for normal between the Trumple’s Temple people and the unshowered children socialists.

        1. We the Dem-ple Temple people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Screwnion, demolish Justice, ensure domestic Terrorism, provide for the commons deference, promote the general Warfare, and secure the Blessings of Tyranny to ourselves and your Posteriors.

          1. Better than Heil Trump.

            1. Yeah. Nobody said you were creative. Did you assume otherwise?

              1. It doesn’t have the alliterative power of the original, but to be fair, they’re shouting the original at his rallies too.

                1. Yeah. At Dem-‘rallies’ they don’t care about shouting anymore. They proceed to smash the windows immediately.

            2. What I just posted is actually the epitome of Heil something. You thinking that’s better shows how screwed you are.

              1. I’m better because I’m not in a political alliance with the neo-Nazis of America.

                1. A political alliance with the future oppressors on the right side of history is better in your view. We know that.

                  1. If the Nazis have history right, then we need to hurry and put up some fake history so the Nazis don’t use history to their advantage and maybe win power.

                    You know we fought a world war over this? You know they killed ten million people in concentration camps, right?

                    1. “If the Nazis have history right, then we need to hurry and put up some fake history so the Nazis don’t use history to their advantage and maybe win power.”

                      I am Tony, and only MY side of extremism should be allowed to use history to gain power! That’s why we NEED historical revisionism and censorship! I am Tony and your posterior will be mine!

                    2. The most extreme people in my party have no political power. And they’re also not Nazis.

                      Literally everyone is better than Nazis.

                    3. Looks like your people desperately need to compare themselves with nazis in order to somehow look “good”, huh?

                      Communism and left extremism produced more deaths than nazis. So no. Your premise is incorrect as well.

                    4. But mass death isn’t technically in the actual philosophy of communism like it is the Nazis. And there are no communist marches in America. No communists storming the capitol.

                      Also something the Nazis did was scapegoat communists while mass murdering them.

                    5. If someone shouts heil hitler at a Trump rally, they are not a Trump supporter, just to clarify. They are likely paid liberal instigators.

                      Also, if Communism managed to produce more deaths than Nazism, without deaths expressly being a point in their ideology, that shows how bad Communism really is.

                      And that there would be no Communist marches in the US is only true if you are not willing to name Communists for what they are. Check out BLM, Antifa, some other associations. They even hold offices in Government, check out AOC.

                      You are really not fooling anyone here.

                2. No, you ARE a neo Nazi.

      3. They have nothing of worth in their life that isn’t provided to them by a more competent adult.
        Did you expect the children to be rational?

  13. Soap box
    Jury box
    Ballot box

    Which of these is not corrupted beyond repair?
    Which of these remains a viable option?
    Which of these is still legitimate?

    1. Or you just lost an election.

      But by all means, you’re all killing yourselves with bug chasing depravity; you might as well start shooting at the US Armed Forces.

      1. …which would lead to us being far better armed than we are now, going with recorded history.

        Our military leadership has not actually won a fucking thing in about half a century.

        1. What if their jobs and legal authority were on the line?

      2. Silly faggot, we lost nothing. We aren’t out anything at all. But this whole thing damaged Newsom, and your party. And anything that hurts democrats is winning.

        You really all deserve to die in agony. Did you know that?

        1. Boy, I’m glad you’re on their team and not mine.

          1. I’m glad you finally admitted to be on a team and open talk upthread about the features of “your” party.

  14. To quote the progressives “you are a racist if you vote for that uncle Tom nigger”

    1. Elect another rich white dude for equality!

      1. You think that’s how diversity works because you’re a mongloid moron.

        1. It’s what your party does. Your top people are really old and really white. If you want diversity, vote Republican.

        2. LOL Tonys been triggered again 😀

    2. Progressives will frequently turn on a black man and call him a nigger if he is revealed to be conservative, or support Trump.

      Nothing is more racist and bigoted than a progressive democrat.

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  16. Ballots for everyone! Ballots you can see through the envelope! Extra ballots for the crackheads! Vote online without ever voting!

    I hope Gruesome catches a rock in the teeth.

  17. Gavin Newsom like Andrew Cuomo are both damaged goods regardless of the outcome of the recall. Even if he is saved by the overwhelming number of Democrats in a Deep Blue state, eyes have been opened and some lifelong Democrats are realizing that Gavin Newsom embodies the new Two Class system.

    Politicians and celebrities versus the rest of us. Glenn Greenwald’s article illustrates the new reality, where the political and celebrity class are at a gala non-masked while being served by masked workers.

    It is time that we realize that “We are the Power” that Spike Cohen speaks of. It is time that we tell the political and celebrity class that to take a hike and refuse to do their bidding or follow their rules. The political and celebrity class only have the power that we give them, so we should not participate in their sham.

    1. Like it or not, and I don’t like Newsom, he won huge last night, and winners come out of a fight stronger than their opponents. You can figure he’ll be doubling down on this strength and getting away with it.

      1. Which will bring us closer to the tipping point we need to enrage Americans enough to burn the democrats to the ground and cleanse America of the progressive movement.

  18. Can we recall all the Californians who moved to my state and fucked it?

    1. The current gaslight is to “quarantine” them in the name of public safety.
      Say three weeks for the Communist Chinese Virus, and another 20 years for the fascist virus?

  19. So, I take it Penn is no longer pretending to be a libertarian these days?
    https://twitter.com/pennjillette/status/1438024011103965186?s=20

    1. LOFuckingL. I don’t know why I was surprised.

      Repost it in the Morning Links; I’m curious to see how his fanboys are going to spin it.

  20. The way the recall SHOULD have worked, is that it’s a simple Yes or No vote. Without also voting for a successor. If the governor gets recalled then the lieutenant governor automatically becomes governor.

    In such a case this recall would not have been a partisan election of Newsom versus Elder, But instead a non-partisan referendum on the governor.

  21. And I said it wouldn’t even be close, and it wasn’t.

    And I said they wouldn’t even bother trying to hide their cheating and they haven’t.

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.

    1. And I said they wouldn’t even bother trying to hide their cheating and they haven’t.

      Why would Democrats need to cheat in a state where they have a 2 to 1 advantage over Republicans in voter registration? When the most prominent candidate to replace Newsom was running as a Trump conservative in a deep blue state? Would Republicans need to cheat to beat a progressive running for a statewide office in Mississippi on a platform of Medicare for All and teaching Critical Race Theory in its public school classrooms?

      1. Move there, faggot.
        Florida isn’t a safe place for you.

  22. California Gov. Gavin Newsom on Tuesday emphatically defeated a recall aimed at kicking him out of office early, a contest the Democrat framed as part of a national battle for his party’s values in the face of the coronavirus pandemic and continued threats from “Trumpism.”

    Newsom bolted to a quick victory boosted by healthy turnout in the overwhelmingly Democratic state. He cast it as a win for science, women’s rights and other liberal issues, and it ensures the nation’s most populous state will remain in Democratic control as a laboratory for progressive policies.
    https://worldabcnews.com/california-gov-gavin-newsom-survives-recall-election-to-stay-in-office/

    1. Yes, California will continue to be a progressive sh*thole, with massive poverty, social conflicts, and inequality. What’s your point? You think that’s a good thing?

      1. Leave the sewers to the roaches so they don’t come out.

  23. It’s as if a thousand snowflakes cried out and were suddenly silenced.

    And you know Republicans are really “defending democracy” when they have their website already up and linked to complaining about fraud BEFORE the election even happened.

    1. No fraud needed here, I agree. Roaches love to live in shit. It’s nature.

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