Amazon Pressures FCC To Deny SpaceX's Satellite Internet Plan
Powerful companies attempting to get government agencies to suppress competition means consumers could lose out.

With 1,700 satellites currently in orbit, SpaceX's Starlink is giving its 100,000 customers download speeds of 50Mbps to 150Mbps, or higher. Bringing its orbital fleet up to 30,000 would serve customers even more effectively, SpaceX reckons, so it's applied to do so with the Federal Communications Commission (FCC). But since meddlesome competitors are one reason why consumers can't have nice things, Amazon's Kuiper—which aims to launch a similar network of satellites into orbit—claims that the SpaceX application violates FCC rules and has asked the agency to deny the company's request to launch its second-generation satellites.
The crux of the matter is that SpaceX submitted not one but two configurations of satellites, requesting approval for both. Kuiper claims that doing so is unfair and flouts FCC rules:
"The SpaceX Amendment proposes two different configurations for the nearly 30,000 satellites of its Gen2 System, each of which arranges these satellites along very different orbital parameters. SpaceX's novel approach of applying for two mutually exclusive configurations is at odds with both the Commission's rules and public policy and we urge the Commission to dismiss this amendment.
The Commission's rules require that SpaceX settle the details of its proposed amendment before filing its application—not after."
But you don't have to be all that shrewd of an observer to deduce that Kuiper's plea that everyone plays by the same rules looks an awful lot like an attempt to halt a competitor in its tracks. This type of thing happens all the time, a former FCC official tells Reason, and the agency currently has an ambitious broadband goal to which SpaceX is helping to contribute.
Amazon is trying to catch up to the headway that SpaceX has already made by arguing that CEO Elon Musk's company is playing fast and loose with the rules. But what's really behind the problem Amazon pointed to? PCMag reports that SpaceX "provided two configurations because the first one relies on the still under-development Starship craft to deliver the Starlink satellites. The second configuration taps existing Falcon 9 reusable rockets," and the company still may not be sure which configuration it ultimately goes with.
Private companies often seek to stymie one another down in order to catch up or get ahead, and it is common practice to enlist regulatory agencies in that chess game. It's also common for those same companies to go after federal dollars for their own plans. SpaceX has been the recipient of at least $886 million in subsidies for its Starlink satellites, and engages in its fair share of anticompetitive thwarting attempts, too, as in the battle over terrestrial vs. satellite services and the 12 GHz spectrum.
Naturally, when companies helmed by—or publicly associated with—big personalities are added to the mix, more public jousting ensues. Though Jeff Bezos stepped down as Amazon CEO in July (to go to space on his Blue Origin company's rocket ship), Musk has been quick to mock him, as if his own company hadn't been involved in the same types of practices.
Turns out Besos retired in order to pursue a full-time job filing lawsuits against SpaceX …
— Elon Musk (@elonmusk) August 27, 2021
This is typical behavior from these two. Bezos has mocked Musk's Mars-colonization ambitions, yet believes he can create his own free-floating space colonies.
Rather than pick sides in a rent-seeking competition, consumers should root for more choice and against the FCC picking winners and losers in the new space race.
Until his lofty dreams are turned into actual space colonies that we Earth denizens can finally pay to join, Musk is the one whose company is actually serving people who live in the rural areas most in need of high-speed internet; Bezos is just dreaming, with a side of complaining to the FCC.
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The point is not that customers lose out, that's is secondary. The point is Amazon using the government to squash competition is corruption and an illegitimate use of the state.
It's like people who argue that capitalism produces the best outcomes. That's not why it's good. Capitalism is good because it is moral, and you have the right to your own labor. The fact that it so happens to produce the best outcomes is a nice benefit, but even if it didn't, it would still be preferable to the Slavery of Socialism.
Capitalism is not moral.
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Capitalism is amoral, nether moral nor immoral. Like a table or a rock or a star.
Property is the human right to own yourself and the fruit of your labor. The concept of property is moral, but not property itself.
And if owning property is moral, so is deciding what to do with your own property, whether than be destroying it, giving it away, or loaning it to others to build factories or buy other capital goods. Capitalism is as natural as gravity.
Socialism is as natural as any other thievery.
Capitalism isn't a state of being. It is a specific system of identifying who owns the means of production and the fruits of that production. That it describes a system congruent with Natural Rights *is what makes it moral*. That Socialism describes a system of thievery *is what makes it immoral*.
^
Capitalism is as natural a part of the concept of property as wet is part of water. Capitalism and property are inseperable.
So is socialism and property.
Capitalism is the individual owns the property
Socialism is the "collective" owns the property, they you kill for who owns the collective
Isn't capitalism a concept?
Being gains capitalism is immoral.
And the big elephant in the room.
It has and always will be Crony Socialism...
You can't bribe a free-market.
How can you argue "preferences"?
If it turns out there is a scandal with SpaceX that drags on for a lengthy period of time, it could be called Elongate
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Elongate was my nickname in college.
"It's because I'm a grower, not a show-er, I swear!"
No no no these are private companies with terms of service, we don't get to question them. Says every faux libertarian everywhere.
Build your own outer space.
Approve all three plans on the condition that Bezos and Musk take over the social security trust funds and keep payments at the current level.
You know, doing their fair share.
If that isn't enough, have all the democrats kick in their campaign funds.
If Bezos and Musk are in charge of the trust funds I'd expect they would be allowed to invest the money in the private sector. Since the private sector tends to return much higher yields than government bonds I think we should be able to increase payments rather than keeping the current levels, or at least pay out annual dividends
Shouldn't we be asking if adding 30,000 satellites to an already crowded sky is a good thing?
First, these satellites are in an orbit that degrades cleanly with their burning up in re-entry after a relatively short amount of time. This is different from Geo Stationary satellites that ultimately stay in orbit forever, moved to a "parking" orbit after their effective use.
Ultimately these satellites are a great thing, bringing the information age to billions of people in rural areas.
Ultimately these satellites are a great thing, bringing the information age to billions of people in rural areas.
Whether they want it or not.
Don't subscribe if they don't want.
So, no worry at all about the Kessler Syndrome?
https://en.wikipedia.Org/wiki/Kessler_syndrome
As equatorial orbits concentrate satellites, they are already crossing in front of the moon most of the time.
The big problem is the threat they pose to progress in astronomy - until all big telescopes are placed not just in space, but beyond the swarm of comsat orbits, long deep space photo exposures are made at risk of being lightsabered into confetti by sunlight reflected off satellite surfaces.
The workaround is seriously black paint
Terestial astronomy is a no go there is already too much noise to learn much of what's new. That's why if you want to advance astronomy you need orbital telescopes
Note the fact that I design orbital telescopes has no, I repeat absolutly no bearing on my view...same a bezos
Not true. Adaptive optics has allowed terrestrial telescopes to outshine orbital telescopes because they can make them huge. They're building the biggest one now.
North Korea, Antarctica, the North Pole, and big swaths of Africa all have no "light pollution," but I don't see any astronomers lining up to go to these places to set up observatories. The time of Galileo and Copernicus was certainly free of "light pollution," but also free of free inquiry.
"Light pollution" is not the worse thing on Earth to have, so satellites in the Van Allen Belt may just be the way to go for Astronomy that is compatible with other values.
It's not just good, it's great.
As for clutter it's like scattering 300 fridges across an area the size of North and South America.
At six miles a second, 300 fridges can cut a mighty swathe across the sky.
Is thdre a violation of the NAP/NIFF principle, as long as all satellites have a compatible tranectory so they don't crash into each other?
Of course it is a good thing. Add enough and the shade will end global warming, right?
Can you say “corporatism?”
I knew you could.
"Powerful companies attempting to get government agencies to suppress competition means consumers could lose out"
Muh pRivATe company.
Thank God SpaceX can stand up for itself. Most of Amazon and Google's other targets, can't.
Right now Spacex is the only US based company that can get US astronauts to and from ISS. I don't think Amazon/Blue origin is a significant threat.
Those who cannot do, sue.
Soooo...Two Corporatist Welfare Queens fighting in the DHS parking lot over both an EBT card and grocery store turf? Who didn't see this coming?
I paid my deposit and I'm waiting for them to pull my number and ship me the dish. The internet here in coastal Spain is shit.
Clickbait article lobs a softball to nonthinking libertarians and they jump all over it. Sigh.
From what I've read and heard, the issue is that by filing two different configurations, Amazon doesn't know which configuration *they* can use without running into conflicts. So by filing two configurations, SpaceX is actually blocking Amazon, though it's pretty clear that wasn't the intention.
And that's perfectly ok! In a libertarian/AnCap world, there *will* be conflicts. "Utopia is not an option." This looks exactly like a type of conflict that would occur in AnCapistan and that may need some resolving... Amazon is saying "pick one and let the rest of us have a shot at the other". It's actually *good* altogether to get this conflict resolved (which is why "conflict resolution" will be such an important industry in AnCapistan).
We (libertarians) need to drop this whole "corporations use the government to squash competition" narrative: it just doesn't happen very often or have much of an impact. Companies like SpaceX and Amazon focus tiny, tiny fractions of their energy on activities like this *because they just don't give much payoff*. They are much better off - and they know it - focusing on the core businesses.
Quite a word salad there.
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