Coronavirus

Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick Is Right That Democrats Have a Vaccine Hesitancy Problem, but It's Not Nearly As Big As the GOP's

Although Patrick notes that blacks are less likely to be vaccinated than whites, the gap between Republicans and Democrats is much larger.

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Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick, a Republican, is taking flak from Democrats for his recent comments about COVID-19 vaccination rates among African Americans. While his remarks, taken literally, were inaccurate, his general point—that vaccine hesitancy is not limited to white Republicans—was correct, as even the fact checkers who criticized him acknowledged. At the same time, that problem is indisputably bigger in the GOP than it is in the other major party.

In a Thursday night interview with Laura Ingraham on Fox News, Patrick complained that "the Democrats like to blame Republicans" for spurning vaccination. But in fact, he claimed, African Americans are "the biggest group" of unvaccinated people in "most states," and "over 90 percent of them vote for Democrats." His conclusion: "It's up to the Democrats," just as "it's up to Republicans," to "try to get as many people vaccinated" as possible.

Since blacks represent about 14 percent of the U.S. population, it would be quite surprising if they accounted for "the biggest group" of unvaccinated Americans. As of late July, according to KFF polling data, whites accounted for 57 percent of that group. Still, it is true that blacks are less likely to be vaccinated than whites. As of August 17, 40 percent of blacks had received at least one dose, compared to 45 percent of Hispanics, 50 percent of whites and 67 percent of Asian Americans. (Those numbers represent shares of the "total population" in each group, including children who are not yet eligible for vaccines; according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 71 percent of Americans 12 or older have been at least partly vaccinated.)

The picture is similar in Texas. "There are an estimated 5.6 million white people who are eligible and unvaccinated," The Texas Tribune reports, "while the same figure is 1.9 million for Black people, who make up a far smaller part of the overall population." About 44 percent of black Texans have been at least partly vaccinated, compared to 53 percent of whites, 57 percent of Latinos, and 78 percent of Asians. The corresponding figures for full vaccination are about 29 percent, 37 percent, 40 percent, and 59 percent, respectively.

In a Facebook statement he posted on Friday, Patrick said he was alluding to these disparities during his Fox News interview. "Federal and State data clearly indicate that Black vaccination rates are significantly lower than White or Hispanic rates," he said. "Democrats continue to play politics with peoples' lives, pandering to rather than serving certain constituencies. Republican leadership will continue to encourage vaccination without mandates in all populations."

A charitable viewer might conclude that Patrick was making a valid point, although he phrased it inartfully. Democrats, of course, were not inclined to be charitable.

"The Lt. Governor's statements are offensive and should not be ignored," Houston Mayor Sylvester Turner tweeted on Thursday night. Turner also retweeted Vox writer Aaron Rupar's gloss on Patrick's comments, which said he "blames unvaccinated Black people for Covid spread in his state," along with former Democratic presidential candidate Julian Castro's description of that position as "reprehensible."

State Sen. Borris Miles (D–Houston) likewise said "Lt. Gov. Patrick now blames the current surge in COVID on African Americans," adding: "Using minorities as a scapegoat is nothing new for Republicans. This is uninformed, racist rhetoric, and it will not be tolerated."

You can judge for yourself whether that is a fair reading of Patrick's remarks. But it certainly is true that Patrick, like his Democratic detractors, is more interested in scoring partisan points than in painting an accurate picture of vaccine resistance.

In addition to misstating his point, Patrick glossed over the huge partisan divide in vaccination rates. As of late July, according to a KFF survey of adults, 86 percent of Democrats were at least partly vaccinated, compared to 54 percent of Republicans. That gap is much bigger than the difference between blacks and whites. Furthermore, unvaccinated Republicans are more likely than unvaccinated Democrats to say they "definitely" won't be inoculated. Unvaccinated whites likewise are more firmly opposed to inoculation than unvaccinated blacks.

So although it is true that Democrats, like Republicans, have a vaccine hesitancy problem, it is clearly not true that their problem is of a similar magnitude. Furthermore, the deep-seated resistance to vaccination among Republicans is reflected in the way that Republican politicians like Patrick talk about the issue.

"We're encouraging people who want to take it to take it," Patrick told Ingraham, but Democrats are "doing nothing for the African-American community." If people already "want to take" a vaccine, they do not need much encouragement; the people who don't want the vaccine are the ones who need to be persuaded. While Patrick accuses Democrats of "pandering" to "certain constituencies," he is doing the same thing.

Even former President Donald Trump, who has himself been vaccinated and can legitimately take credit for the surprisingly fast development of COVID-19 vaccines, seems to be cowed by the prevalence of anti-vaxxers in his party. At a rally in Alabama on Saturday, Trump delicately introduced the subject, only to be booed by his audience when he recommended vaccination.

"We developed three vaccines…in nine months," Trump bragged. "And it's great. And you know what? I believe totally in your freedoms. I do. You gotta do what you have to do. But I recommend taking the vaccines. I did it. It's good. Take the vaccines."

When that line elicited an audibly negative response from the crowd, Trump again emphasized that vaccination is a matter of individual choice. "You got your freedoms," he said. "But I happened to take the vaccine. If it doesn't work, you'll be the first to know. OK? I'll call up Alabama, I'll say, 'Hey, you know what?' But it is working. But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that."

This probably counts as Trump's strongest endorsement of COVID-19 vaccination to date. But the anti-vaccine sentiment among his supporters still caused him to vacillate and unnecessarily qualify his recommendation, even allowing that they might be right in thinking vaccination "doesn't work." It should be possible for Republican leaders to forthrightly say they oppose a general vaccine mandate but nevertheless believe vaccination is the best way to beat the pandemic and return to normal life. Their difficulty in clearly delivering that message confirms that, notwithstanding Patrick's implication, vaccine resistance is a much bigger issue in the GOP than it is in the opposing party.

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  1. Jacob seems puzzled that trumpers won’t blindly take orders from Trump.

    1. It upset White Mike and chemjeff too.

      After squealing and moaning that MAGA is a cULt who obeys his every word, they got mad when they didn’t.

      These gaslighters really need to pick a narrative and stick with it.

      1. They wouldn’t be such gaslighters if they did.

        1. You’d think such gaslighting would cause global warming.

          1. So, by their own logic, they need to be done away with to prevent a tragedy of the commons and protect public health…

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  2. How many of those people already had covid and know they don’t need a shot? (Or three…..and counting)

    1. You can’t charge people for having an immune system.

      1. The existence of the human immune system is a far right conspiracy theory that only -istophobes believe in.

        1. Alex Jones told me it was real!

      2. The vaccine is free.

        1. So were showers at aushwitz.

          1. So vaccine = holocaust? WTF?

            1. Ask the the victims of Tuskegee what they think.

              1. The CIAs vaccination campaign in Afghanistan certainly qualified.

                https://www.grunge.com/321975/the-tragic-true-story-of-the-cias-fake-vaccination-campaign/

              2. Or the Guatamalans that we no-shit gave syphillis to rather than promising to treat their syphillis and not doing so.

            2. No, jeff, stupidity = stupidity. We just hope it’s not contagious, you slimy piece of lefty shit.

            3. give it five years.

        2. Free, paid for by taxes.

          1. Super free!

          2. It is Big Pharma’s right to be enriched by earnings forcibly confiscated from the middle and working classes while pressuring people to be experimental subjects for new drug development, and anyone who doesn’t want to participate is totes being a narcissistic asshole!

            1. Congress’ Lockheed-Martin shares are about to take a dip so they need to make that back up with what they own in Pfizer.

        3. Dumbass thinks nobody is getting any money for the shots,

        4. No, it’s costing tens of billions of dollars. Nothing is ‘free’.

        5. No it isnt you anti libertarian retarded shit. Billions were spent on the vaccine.

        6. Nothing is free. What you meant to say was that the taxpayers and/or government debt are paying for everyone’s COVID shots. For example, Pfizer is charging the US $19.50 per dose and like all vaccine providers is immune from vaccine-related injury lawsuits.

    2. The evidence that prior immunity means you do not need the vaccine is not in yet. The evidence for the value of the vaccine is. So we go with the evidence.

      1. The vaccine is so great, it’s developers have to be protected from lawsuits.

        1. That system was put into place for public health reasons to encourage more vaccine manufactures and provide simpler and quicker compensation to the few that do have a negative reactor. That protection is in place for all vaccines and is there because of the overwhelming benefit of vaccines.

          1. Another dumb government slave. So sad.

          2. The collective is more important than the individual.

            1. The collective needs a lot of hall monitors that are otherwise inept.

      2. Sell your individual souls to the [WE] foundation; because you don’t own you, [WE] own you!

      3. “The evidence for the value of the vaccine is. So we go with the evidence.”

        Worked real well for Jesse Jackson, vaxxed and currently hospitalized with Covid.

      4. Acquired immunity 7x> vaccine, denier.

      5. Why are you so anti-science?

      6. Joe Biden said you need a booster shot after 8 months.

        If reinfection after 8 months were common, it would be super super super super obvious by now.

        So we go with the evidence.

      7. This is a complete lie and I’ve posted the studies saying otherwise here several times. You can look them up yourself you disingenuous cunt.

      8. You got that backwards there, dipstick.

      9. I think the evidence that prior immunity means you don’t NEED the vaccine has been in since the time humans became aware of their immune systems.

    3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34103407/

      Antibodies elicited by mRNA-1273 vaccination bind more broadly to the receptor binding domain than do those from SARS-CoV-2 infection

      Abstract
      The emergence of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) variants with mutations in key antibody epitopes has raised concerns that antigenic evolution could erode adaptive immunity elicited by prior infection or vaccination. The susceptibility of immunity to viral evolution is shaped in part by the breadth of epitopes targeted by antibodies elicited by vaccination or natural infection. To investigate how human antibody responses to vaccines are influenced by viral mutations, we used deep mutational scanning to compare the specificity of polyclonal antibodies elicited by either two doses of the mRNA-1273 COVID-19 vaccine or natural infection with SARS-CoV-2. The neutralizing activity of vaccine-elicited antibodies was more targeted to the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein compared to antibodies elicited by natural infection. However, within the RBD, binding of vaccine-elicited antibodies was more broadly distributed across epitopes compared to infection-elicited antibodies. This greater binding breadth means that single RBD mutations have less impact on neutralization by vaccine sera compared to convalescent sera. Therefore, antibody immunity acquired by natural infection or different modes of vaccination may have a differing susceptibility to erosion by SARS-CoV-2 evolution.

      Since you all are experts at epidemiology and immunology, I don’t need to explain this result any further to you.

      1. And you are an artist in copy and pasting.

        1. Why yes, I did copy-paste the abstract from the linked article. I don’t need to explain its significance to you, do I? Oh well, maybe I do. The significance is, natural immunity does not confer the same type of benefits than immunity from vaccination. The antibodies that you get from vaccination are more targeted to the spike protein of the virus, and therefore are broadly more effective against variants than the antibodies from natural infection.

          1. Also you are boring.

          2. BY THAT ONE MEASURE, vaccines are better.

            Which one actually stops more people from getting sick and spreading the virus, though?

            1. BY THAT ONE MEASURE, vaccines are better.

              Thank you for finally acknowledging reality on the subject.

              Which one actually stops more people from getting sick and spreading the virus, though?

              There is no such thing. Neither vaccines nor natural antibodies are magic bullets that can stop all infection and stop all transmission.

              Both natural antibodies and vaccine-generated antibodies *reduce the chances* of getting sick and spreading the disease to others. Natural antibodies tend to target the virus variant that the individual was exposed to, may or may not target the spike protein, may or may not be effective against variants, and are of highly variable quality and quantity. Vaccine-generated antibodies are more uniform in quality, target specifically the spike protein, and are more broadly effective against more variants, though it may be less effective against any specific variant. They are two weapons that can be used to fight against an infection.

              1. Reminder: collectivistjeff is a virus

              2. There is no such thing. Neither vaccines nor natural antibodies are magic bullets that can stop all infection and stop all transmission.

                He’s not saying either one does; the word more means he’s asking a question of relative benefits of each.

                With Delta, natural immunity beats the pants off the vaccines. That’s pretty obvious from the macro data even if there aren’t any published studies on the matter. But I agree with your last sentence; these things should be accounted for in tandem.

                And with how effective the vaccines are at preventing hospitalizations in peer groups, Delta’s spread among the vaccinated population is a huge net benefit.

                Vaccines are great, but the protection provided is short-lived. Assuming you’re mostly healthy, after getting it you should want to get exposed to COVID so as to reinforce its protection with the deeper natural immunity. But this is still being looked at as a negative by those charged with guiding our response.

      2. And nobody cares; none of your business, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      3. I did not say there was some evidence, but that it is not all in yet. It may be demonstrated that prior infection does give comparable immunity, but that time is not now.

        1. Yeah, we have to wait for the omega variant to find out.
          Get bent nazi.

        2. None of your business, asshole. Fuck off and die.

        3. Historically prior infection has always (or nearly always) proven more effective in preventing reinfection and transmission than a vaccine. The common sense prior in this situation is that the vaccine will be less effective than prior infection. Perhaps the data will show otherwise, but it isn’t in yet.

      4. No, you need it explained to yourself you fucking dumbass.

        All this is saying is that the vaccine targets the spike protein better than some natural infections. Well, considering the spike protein is all the vaccine is created for, that makes some sense. It also has left the vaccines prone to easy evasion by the virus minorly mutating one small part of itself, as we’re seeing with delta rendering current vaccines nearly useless.

        What this article fails to mention is that NATURAL INFECTION CREATES MORE ANTIBODY RESPONSES THAN JUST TO THE SPIKE PROTEIN YOU FUCKING DUMBASS. It creates antibodies to the n protein on the viruses surface (the antibody used in regeneron cocktail in addition to igg), as well as T cell immunity which is much more rapid and stronger than b cell. As well as natural immunity seeming to confer lifelong antibody producing cells in the bone marrow of most patients as the recent studies showed out of st. Louis.

        Did I explain that enough to you?

        1. It also has left the vaccines prone to easy evasion by the virus minorly mutating one small part of itself,

          Well if the virus mutates in a way that doesn’t change the spike protein, who cares? The spike protein is needed to enter cells.

          as we’re seeing with delta rendering current vaccines nearly useless.

          This is a damned lie and you know it. The vaccine is less effective against delta, yes, but that is not the same as “nearly useless”. That is your stupid black/white thinking fallacy. “Because the vaccine is not 100% effective, therefore it is 100% useless.” The same idiotic black/white thinking we saw with masks and all of the other mitigation measures.

          The vaccine reduces your chances< of severe infection, and of getting sick overall. It is not a magic bullet. It increases your odds. That is what it does.

          It creates antibodies to the n protein on the viruses surface (the antibody used in regeneron cocktail in addition to igg), as well as T cell immunity which is much more rapid and stronger than b cell. As well as natural immunity seeming to confer lifelong antibody producing cells in the bone marrow of most patients as the recent studies showed out of st. Louis.

          Yes and no – it is highly variable.

          https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-06-18-latest-data-immune-response-covid-19-reinforces-need-vaccination-says-oxford-led

          We found that individuals showed very different immune responses from each other following COVID-19, with some people from both the symptomatic and asymptomatic groups showing no evidence of immune memory six months after infection or even sooner.

          The antibodies that your body produces after natural infection are highly variable. They may protect against all variants, or they may protect only against the variant that you were infected with, and not be much help against other variants. The response may be robust, or it may be weak. It is a roll of the dice.

          The vaccine creates an extra layer of protection that can supplement what your own body does.

          1. A for effort, but you’re still full of shit.

            1. At this point, objection to the vaccine is just irrational contrariness.

              1. Right, we can all get back to a new normal when everyone puts the collar on. C’mon man, it’s for the public health.

                Fuck. Off. Slaver.

              2. And not to forget, ‘my body my choice.’

                Your cowardice doesn’t preclude my rights.

              3. You really shouldn’t bring up the word irrational when you’re stumping for mass hysteria and totalitarianism in response to a virus that is 99.9% survivable and endemic like other colds and flus

                1. “…a virus that is 99.9% survivable and endemic like other colds and flus”

                  Unlike the common cold and flu, I’ve personally kwon several people who have died from it; where are you getting this information?

                  “…as we’re seeing with delta rendering current vaccines nearly useless.”

                  Again, where are you getting this information to arrive at such a conclusion?

                  I believe in personal choice and freedom; no one should force you to undergo anything as invasive as taking a vaccine. Your body your choice. But stop making shit up already.

                  1. I’m sorry for your losses, QUT, but take it up with the CDC about the death rates. E.g., https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/11/18/covid-infection-fatality-rates-sex-and-age-15163

                    Stats are from Nov of last year, and AIUI, the subsequent strains are less lethal yet. Plus, there’s gigantic error bars in just what is a COVID-death. But by those stats, If you’re under 50, it is a 99.9% survivable virus.

                    It’s a nasty viral pneumonia. Just like either viral pneumonias in the past, that have blown through nursing homes and hospital wards. Dangerous, if you’re susceptible. Absolutely nothing that warranted this kind of 18 month freakout though.

              4. your daily peer pressure efforts are laughable give it up

          2. It is a roll of the dice.

            The vaccine creates an extra layer of protection that can supplement what your own body does.

            It’s a roll of the dice that, after 200 million cases and 300 million doses has proven that for people 50 and under, natural immunity is clearly superior.

      5. Pubmed is an index, not a journal. Nor is it evidence for being a good bit of research or peer reviewed. It’s literally just an index.

        If you are going to post about a study, state its authors and source with a journal link.

        1. The link to the journal article is in the citation above.

      6. Makes sense, Jeff. And if people would lead with that, they’d receive a lot fewer objections. The vaccine protects against a wider array of strains and even if you have already had the disease, it’s another layer of protection due to coronaviruses giving soft immunity, which can be built up over multiple exposures.

        Instead, they are led on with insults, while the government and media does everything in its power to show people that the vaccine doesn’t work. It doesn’t matter what they tell people, since their actions show that they have no confidence, and actions speak much louder than words. Maintaining mask mandates, paranoia about interacting with unvaccinated people, and high profile cases of COVID among top level officials. All of these clearly indicate low trust in the vaccine’s efficacy. Recorded statements by Biden saying that he wouldn’t take a “Trump vaccine” aren’t helping anything.

        A better tactic would be “just get the vaccine and get back to work”. Indeed, many businesses have signs “vaccinated people do not need to wear masks”. That gives the carrot and shows that it works. It’s probably too late to change tactics now.

        1. That’s not a fucking carrot, it’s saying the people chosen to be beaten with a stick by class

      7. The susceptibility of immunity to viral evolution is shaped in part by the breadth of epitopes targeted by antibodies elicited by vaccination or natural infection.

        The neutralizing activity of vaccine-elicited antibodies was more targeted to the receptor-binding domain (RBD) of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein compared to antibodies elicited by natural infection.

        I don’t need a degree in epidemiology or virology to understand that, by their own statements, broader targeting of epitopes makes immunity more future proof and vaccine-derived immunity targets a small subsection of the viral genome relative to convalescent immunity (but targets the small subsection better!(?)).

        1. They don’t actually even assert that the vaccine-derived immunity is any better:

          Therefore, antibody immunity acquired by natural infection or different modes of vaccination may have a differing susceptibility to erosion by SARS-CoV-2 evolution.

          Still, their reasoning here:

          This greater binding breadth means that single RBD mutations have less impact on neutralization by vaccine sera compared to convalescent sera.

          Is spurious. If convalescent immunity is targeting other more/other epitopes, it would stand to reason that it would withstand more mutation in any one epitope or group of them.

          It’s really a shitty study (and why I suspect it was published in Sci Transl Med rather than JAMA) as we have variants and, even if we didn’t, it’s easy enough to generate them and, somehow, they don’t bother to assess the future-proofedness against a ‘future’ that has already come to pass.

  3. The best way to get people to accept the various vaccines is to have them approved by the FDA.
    Then admit that survivors of the Communist Chinese Virus don’t need a vaccine.
    Then eliminate all mandates.
    It’s a quaint custom called individual freedom and responsibility.

    1. Yeah but it’s Sullum. What does Sullum care about individual freedom?

      1. Everyone cares about their OWN individual freedom. Then there are libertarians.

        1. Yes, libertarians care about everyone’s freedom.

      2. Yeah, Sullum. Damn it, I fall for his clickbait crap all the time. This article about more Republican than black anti-vaxxers was a sensational waste. I am for “at will” mask and vax. I have to thank Katharine M-W for the descriptor.

    2. Given the novelty of the vaccine platform (modified mRNA, novel adjuvants, and/or novel adenovirus delivery), people at low risk from COVID might consider waiting a few years after FDA approval as well.

      The FDA regularly takes drugs off the market after several years because they are discovered to be just too risky.

    3. Once they are approved the covidiots will just make up a new excuse.

      1. You are the one demanding that people surrender their liberties.

      2. What excuses? Did you actually read what he wrote?

        1. MG does NOT read!

      3. “Once they are approved the covidiots will just make up a new excuse.”

        No excuse required; none of your business, steaming pile of lefty shit.

      4. Replace your epithet with fatties

      5. Once the vaccine is proven dangerous or ineffective, the lefty media will just make up a new phony emergency. That’s what they do.

        1. The media, and fucking retards like Molly, would do a complete 180, claim they never got the vaccine and proceed to screech about Trump for two more years.

      6. Once they are approved the covidiots will just make up a new excuse.

        Honey, we don’t need “excuses”.

        And we have our objections all lined up already; we are just doling them out piecemeal so that “progressidiots” like you can understand it. “It’s not FDA approved” is easier for you to understand than “modified mRNA vaccines remain largely untested”.

  4. Sure sure the GOP is the problem. If reason koch would spend more time on the real issues which are far left democrats and the military IC and DoJ running the country into the ground, maybe we’d figure it out.

    But liberaltarians doubled down on the Biden fail, and they have to keep up the grift. Already they are gaslighting you.

    As for vaccines, real libertarians would understand that injecting something into your body is a personal choice. Not repeat stale leftist bullshit. But we all know this is not a libertarian place.

    1. injecting something into your body is a personal choice.

      It is a personal choice. Who is advocating that vaccinations be made mandatory? That doesn’t mean those who make stupid choices are immune to criticism.

      1. Jesus, stop with the gaslighting!

        1. Who here is demanding mandatory vaccinations?

          1. You want to put a time stamp on that?

          2. “Who here is demanding mandatory vaccinations?”

            The governments requiring businesses to withhold service to those who don’t show their papers, you slimy pile of lefty shit.
            Is that too difficult for lefty assholes to understand?

          3. “Who here is demanding mandatory vaccinations?”

            You, DOL, White Mike, JFree, Brandybuck, etc…

        2. Fatties, due to their diet, may have more gas than non-fatties. So InjectionistJeff maybe can’t help himself.

      2. “…Who is advocating that vaccinations be made mandatory?…”

        Remember when masks were “recommended”? The steaming pile of lefty shit jeff doesn’t.

        1. Pepperidge Farm remembers.

      3. Fuck you you totalitarian cunt. The leadership of AF and NYC have made vaccination a requirement for most modern life. DIAF you leftist POS.

      4. You are, you piece of shit fascist slaver.

        Every thread you crawl further up Biden’s ass to get a fresher dose of party line BS.

  5. Another thing Jacob fails to note is, only one group of the unvaccinated cannot be criticized.

    1. Nope. They can all be criticized. They all make up dumb excuses.

      1. Another assertion without any proof.

      2. No “excuse” required, asshole.

      3. You can have whatever opinion you like.

    2. “…..40% of blacks, 45% of Hispanics, 50% of whites, 67% of Asians…..”

      “….71% of Americans…… have at least one dose.”

      Ummmmmm…… so the smaller racial groups are vaxxed at what, about 400%?

      1. The problem is cawcasians.

      2. Partial vs fully. I know a ton of people who got the first shot, then got really sick and said no way in hell to the second.

  6. I thought we didn’t want Covid to be a partisan issue? Suddenly it’s OK for it to be partisan when you can point fingers at Republicans though.

    Sullum will complain about everyone else until totalitarians are in total control of everything.

    1. At least plenty of crocodiles will be fed.

    2. If this was early 40’s Poland, Sullum would aspire to be a Camp kapo.

      1. Covid vaccination tattoos.

        1. Yellow stars are always good; hard to fake. Or remove.

    3. “Sullum will complain about everyone else until totalitarians are in total control of everything.”

      No. He’ll do it until the checks stop coming.

      A Libertarian site, complaining that people aren’t taking in sufficient numbers, an experimental, novel modality vaccine. For a bug that, unless you’re 75+ or 300 lbs plus, kills about 1 in a 1,000 or greater that get infected.

      Jesus, what will this site advocate for tomorrow?

      1. This is the point that is pointedly ignored consistently by all off the writers here. I’m not going to waste my time reading yet another tedious, long winded rant about what subset of what group of individuals who are at no risk of death from this virus have failed to acede to the latest demands of the ruling elite.

  7. The first problem is having a problem with being wary about taking an already ineffective experimental vaccine for a flu.

    The second problem is, autocrats in office are gonna run up a huge bill paying for all these repeaters.

    1. They had to replace the “war on terror”
      With something.

      1. Never fear, we’re most certainly gonna get a sequel to the “War on Terror.”

        1. It’s gonna be better than marvel!

          1. Now I’m imagining Biden trying to lift the Infinity Gauntlet. Hah

      2. They already did that with Jan 6 while simultaneously defending/ignoring the much larger marxist rebellion over last summer complete with territory annexation, mass violence and destruction.

  8. And of course Sullum spends a lot of time quoting far left democrats to support his position, including several race baiters and fake journalists. Because that’s where we are now, faux libertarians who are democrats in reality pushing progressive propaganda.

    You voted for Biden. Own it.

  9. Jacob, with all due respect, go fuck yourself you totalitarian asshat. Democrat/Republican, black/white/hispanic is irrelevant compared to age and more importantly…are people making informed decisions even if you think their answer is incorrect. But here you are whining about Republicans instead of addressing that.

    Me, I’m low risk to COVID but high risk to losing my livelihood to you COVIDIOTS and your uninformed, knee-jerk liberty destroying dictates; but I’m not allowed to make a reasonable choice to satisfy cunts like you.

    1. Unless one is medically unable to get the vaccine, there are no reasonable reasons not to.

      1. Another assertion without proof.

      2. None of your business, lefty asshole

      3. No other reason to get yourself stuck with experimental technology, that is completely unrelated to the traditional protein vaccines that comprised every single other vaccine of the last 250 years?

        Ten years ago mRNA vaccines were theory. Five years ago they were being invented. Two years ago they were killing every animal they were tested on. And human experimentation is only starting right now, but fucking Tony here thinks there’s “no reasonable reasons”.

        How about the fact that the mRNA vaccine process inventor says that they’re potentially dangerous, and don’t let your kids get jabbed.

        1. Except that we have literally hundreds of millions of doses administered and we know they are safe.

          1. Another assertion without proof.

          2. The same was said about thalidomide.

            1. The same was also said about millions of other drugs and medicines which are statistically quite safe.

              Because the government was wrong about one drug, they are wrong about all drugs? Do you expect an absolute guarantee of safety?

              1. The fact you think it is one drug demonstrates your ignorance.

                The fact you’ve ignored the actual increased risk yo hear conditions and children and young males demonstrates it again.

                The fact that you won’t go on a diet is just the nail in your coffin.

              2. “Do you expect an absolute guarantee of safety?”

                Apparently you do… so long as you expend no effort yourself.

              3. The same was also said about millions of other drugs and medicines which are statistically quite safe.

                Your mom told you the thalidomide she took was safe to make you feel better didn’t she?

          3. Fuck off and die, lefty shit. None of your business,

          4. Except for the millions of cases of clotting, heart attacks and heart inflammation, totally safe.

          5. Because long term safety profiles are well understood in 8 months.

            1. With every other vaccination regimen, adverse events typically occurred within 8 weeks or so after the shot.

              And if you don’t want the mRNA vaccine, you can always get the J&J vaccine.

              Why are you generating and manufacturing doubt about the vaccine? Why don’t you want more people vaccinated?

              1. Why do you give a fuck about what he does? 80% of ckvid deaths are from the obese. We would do far better to force diets on you fatties. But that sour personal choice to choose pie over health. So carry on.

            2. The shithead likely couldn’t spell DES, nevermind know of its significance in this type of discussion.

              Thank you for the cites and info you’ve provided here over the last couple of months on this subject, Dizzle. They’ve helped in my efforts to try and stem hysteria among the people I’ve discussed Covid with.

          6. how much for your crystal ball?

        1. Thank heavens we have those scientists at Reddit to save the day.

          1. They link to actual studies you retarded fuck. The same as you. Except half of them actually read beyond the first paragraph of the abstract unlike you.

        2. You don’t trust the government, therefore you trust some rando on Reddit? WTF?

          1. Yes, I absolutely trust a Reddit rando over our government.

            Room for doubt with Reddit. Government has removed all doubt that they’re incompetent and amoral.

            1. Demagogues love you.

              1. At least you stppped the Visage you are for critical thinking. Trust the government. Obey. Right jeff?

              2. Collectivistjeff loves calling others demagogues, as he shills for irrational mass hysteria and spouts the party line of Big Government, corporate America, public health, academia, and legacy media/entertainment.

      4. Lick my fully vaccinated…bomb pop.

      5. “reasonable reasons”

        Unknown unknowns.

      6. Irrelevant authority.

      7. Well the latest data are that people over 50 are 17 times more likely to die from COVID if they are unvaccinated. Which would seem to make it a no-brainer to get the shot, except that the death rate is pretty low to start with (0.6% or so). And the long-term effects of the shot are unknown. And a lot of people get sick for a day after getting it, vs. getting sick for a few days if they catch COVID. And of course a small number of people have died from reactions to the shot. So it’s not too surprising that younger people in good health might decide not to.

      8. There are no reasons you’re capable or willing to understand.

      9. Go fuck yourself you miserable sack of slaving shit.

      10. Since one can identify as another gender without undergoing any medical treatments, I shall now identify as vaccinated without undergoing any further medical treatments. (Further because I already got vaccinated but am now told ‘Sorry that vaccine is no longer valid, please take our updated Bullwinkle vaccine because “THIS TIME FOR SURE!”)

  10. Because everyone is either a Democrat or a Trumper, right?

    Apparently, independents, Libertarians, Greens, and other folks don’t count.

    1. He also didn’t mention Samoans.

      1. Girl Scout cookies cost too much

        1. That requires government action!

        2. That’s what happens when you make them with real girl scouts.

          1. Low carb though.

        3. and they’re not made the same anymore. chemical city.

      2. That must be the 400% group that gets the total to 71%!

        Ya know, cuz they’re big folks.

      3. They do the humpty-hump. Samoans do the humpty-hump.

  11. Is this article a way of denying that vaccine passport programs are racist?

    1. Yes, it does offer support for shooting down that disingenuous assertion.

      1. “Papers please!”

      2. Papiere Bitte.

        1. It’s better in the original German.

          1. Ate out twice this week; outside at an SF restaurant, so no papers, but the owner is VERY concerned. Already lost some group bookings since enough of the groups were not willing to provide papers.
            Inside in a San Mateo restaurant; no mask, no papers, packed.

            1. Only thing I miss about California is the restaurants.

      3. If minorities are more likely to be unvaccinated, asking for vaccination papers is de facto racism in this Brave New World we find ourselves in.

        1. No, unvaccinated minorities are just crypto white supremacists

          1. The black faces of white supremacy according to the L. A. Times.

      4. I love how you always miss the joke and reply seriously.

  12. https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-booed-alabama-rally-after-encouraging-crowd-get-covid-19-vaccine-1621811

    “Former President Donald Trump was booed by his own supporters during a rally in Cullman, Alabama Saturday night after he encouraged the crowd to get vaccinated against COVID-19.”

    1. Which narrative are you employing now? Are Trump supporters just drones,
      or are they foolish for rejecting his sage advice?

      1. It’s so weird how they’ll attack the Capitol for him but they won’t take a jab.

        Fuck it, though: it all has to be his fault somehow.

        1. Different “they”s.

          1. Mike picks cherries, since being a TDS-addled lefty pile of shit doesn’t pay much.

          2. You mean they’re heterogeneous?

            1. Sure. Who said they are not?

          3. You’re too stupid to be consistent. You continually embarrass yourself here. You’re likely as big a buffoon everywhere else in your life too.

    2. Pick a narrative and stick with it, Mike.

    3. Mike Laursen
      August.22.2021 at 8:03 pm
      ‘I’m a TDS-addled lefty pile of shit, and here’s proof!’

      Thanks, Mike, but we already knew.

  13. As of August 17, 40 percent of blacks had received at least one dose, compared to 45 percent of Hispanics, 50 percent of whites and 67 percent of Asian Americans.

    Once again, we leave Jews out because reasons.

    1. Jews have the lowest hesitancy rate. And that makes sense because they have a strong sense of doing right by your community and no issues with modern medicine.

      https://www.prri.org/research/religious-vaccines-covid-vaccination/

      1. Fucking lefty bigots will stop at nothing to stick their noses into your business.

      2. So secular youth have some of the highest hesitancy rates. What’s that doing to your narrative?

        1. It has more to do with youth than with secularism.

        2. And by education levels, PhDs are the most hesitant

      3. Lmao she forgets when commandant Cuomo n deblasio were going after all the jews trying to congregate n have services at the beginning of the pandemic for being mass murderers.

      4. Are they also a diverse culture, unlike blacks?

        Do you ever get tired of casual Dem racism?

  14. “But I happened to take the vaccine. If it doesn’t work, you’ll be the first to know. OK? I’ll call up Alabama, I’ll say, ‘Hey, you know what?’ But it is working. But you do have your freedoms you have to keep. You have to maintain that.”

    This probably counts as Trump’s strongest endorsement of COVID-19 vaccination to date. But the anti-vaccine sentiment among his supporters still caused him to vacillate and unnecessarily qualify his recommendation, even allowing that they might be right in thinking vaccination “doesn’t work.”

    The problem with this is…we can read. How you can vault from that quote to such a statement in the next paragraph is…well, I guess an example of how you’re deliberately trying to show us you’re being paid specifically to write bad things about Trump you don’t believe. Will you next be blinking in code, “BEING HELD PRISONER OF KOCH MONEY”?

    1. The second paragraph seems like a pretty reasonable take on what he said.

      1. Not in the least.

      2. You mean… Expressing reasonable doubt?

        1. Or attempting to persuade people without calling them names or trying to shame them, and also respecting their freedom to choose?

          WHAT A FUCKING MONSTER! He should be impeached a third time.

          1. “Kill the Jews and take over Europe. Or not. I think it’s a good idea. But, I dunno, maybe it’s not the best idea.” – Hitler

    2. Progressives just write feelingz. They tend to throw cawtion to the wind in regard to it actually being logicaw.

    3. Sullum also goes from state statistics to minimize black non-vaccination, then jumps to national statistics for political non-vaccination, then says it proves something.

      Funny that he couldn’t compare apples to apples.

      1. I was noticing this. His assertion that “blacks are less vaccinated” juxtaposed with “republicans are less vaccinated” doesn’t bode well for Democrats in a country that is rapidly becoming minority white.

  15. a Vaccine Hesitancy Problem

    I fail to see the problem with people at little risk from COVID choosing not to take an experimental, unapproved vaccine with a track record of less than a year.

    Sullum: what business of yours is it whether other people take a vaccine?

    1. Every year we have a flue vaccine hesitancy problem too.

      You know what we don’t have any meaningful hesitancy for? MMR, Polio, Diptheria, etc.

      I wonder why that is…

  16. It isn’t a “problem.” You have a right to decide what gets put into your body and to be free to make that decision without massive governmental and societal coercion. End of story.

    1. The basic argument of the state: “You don’t care!”

    2. People not getting the vaccine is a huge problem. Covid would be history in the US if everyone got vaccinated.

      1. COVID would be history if not for retarded government action.

        1. Now do the “regular” flu.
          You know, the one with a new vaccine each year that never required a mask.

      2. “People not getting the vaccine is a huge problem.”

        Fuck off and die a slow painful death, lefty asshole.

      3. The polio vaccine was introduced in 1955.

        The USA became polio free in 1979.

        Covid might be history with heavy vaccination in about 25 years.

        1. Polio was also a very serious disease, unlike the wu flu.

        2. Where is the part of your argument where you established that COVID-19 and polio should be expected to behave similarly?

          1. I said might, and I don’t see any reason to think it would be eradicated quickly. What’s more contagious: Covid or polio?

            1. Polio ceased being the terror it had been long before it was eradicated.

              1. If you think polio is comparable to COVID, you’re more retarded than I thought.

              2. “Polio ceased being the terror it had been long before it was eradicated.”

                Grasp at them straws, move those goal posts, asshole – it’s all you got.

                1. And covid was never a rational terror…

                  1. COVID is just a red herring.

      4. You don’t seem to realize how vaccines work if you think vaccination alone can eliminate it.

        Particularly since unlike smallpox, diphtheria and polio it has so many different potential animal reservoirs to reinfect humans. Cats, deer, birds, etc.

        1. Cats, deer, birds, etc.

          You forgot bats.

      5. “Covid would be history in the US if everyone got vaccinated.”

        Yeah. Because there’s no animal reservoir for COVID.

      6. Molly’s a little behind on the talking points.
        They’ve already given up on vaccines preventing covid, and are now doing vaccines prevent death. Though that too appears less than tenable, so they’ll have to come up with something else soon.

      7. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha

        Goddamn Molly

        Hahahahahahahahahahaha

      8. How many vaccinated are going down lately?

        Fuck off, slaving shill.

      9. And anti science liberalism roses to the top.

      10. bullshit, Israel didn’t get that result

      11. You’re just really aggressively stupid, aren’t you?

      12. Well except for the fact that the vaccine now requires another Bullwinkle vaccine because‘THIS TIME FOR SURE!’

    3. It isn’t a “problem.” You have a right to decide what gets put into your body and to be free to make that decision without massive governmental and societal coercion. End of story.

      Governmental coercion? We agree.

      Societal “coercion”? What does that mean exactly? You mean, a supposed right to be free of criticism should one make a stupid choice? Umm no, there is no such right.

      1. Yeah, when the government orders businesses to its bidding that totally isn’t fascism, get bent.

        1. That’s not “societal coercion”, bucko. Stop trying to change the subject.

          The real problem here is, those who refuse to get the vaccine want their choice to be validated as equivalent to the choice to get the vaccine, and are upset when they are judged differently. They want emotional validation for their position.

          1. “The real problem here is, those who refuse to get the vaccine want their choice to be validated as equivalent to the choice to get the vaccine,..”

            The real problem here is lefty assholes like jeff sticking their noses into other peoples’ business.
            Fuck off and die, piece of shit.

          2. That’s governmental coercion asshole!

            1. So government is ordering people to mock you for refusing to get a vaccine? Do you know how stupid you sound?

              1. The real problem here is lefty assholes like jeff sticking their noses into other peoples’ business.
                Fuck off and die, piece of shit.

              2. “So government is ordering people to mock you for refusing to get a vaccine? Do you know how stupid you sound?”

                The government requiring businesses to refuse service to those who will not ‘present their papers’ *IS* government coercion.
                And I’m not about to ask if you know how stupid you sound, since you’re too stupid to understand the question.
                Fuck off and die, slaver.

              3. jeff, fearing he might read something which upsets him, has me muted.
                Someone who doesn’t frighten him as much might tell jeff that:
                “The government requiring businesses to refuse service to those who will not ‘present their papers’ *IS* government coercion.
                And I’m not about to ask if you know how stupid you sound, since you’re too stupid to understand the question.
                Fuck off and die, slaver.”

              4. The covid vaccine is an mRNA vaccine unlike any other vaccine before it. The only thing it has in common is that it’s injected.
                It’s an experimental technique, untested and potentially dangerous.

                Only an idiot would pretend there isn’t risk.

          3. You’re even dumber than usual this evening.

          4. Nobody needs their choice validated, you just need to shut the fuck up with your scientifically ignorant fear mongering and bigotry.

          5. The real problem is you illogical fear-driven reactionary imbeciles have swallowed the control rod all the way down to Biden’s balls and are trying to convince yourself it tastes good.

            It doesn’t. It’s baseless hysteria that denies actual science inconvenient to the narrative being pushed that we are all gonna die unless we cede all control to Big Brother.

            Just because you’re a craven idiot doesn’t mean you get to trample all over the lives of everyone else. Fuck off, slavers.

          6. Please oh please order for the social credit system.

      2. The fucking lefty shit jeff has forgotten when masks were “recommended”.

        1. So you have no argument so you resort to insults.

          He has a cogent point and you have nothing but bullshit. But hey, it’s a day that ends in y so why should anything be different from normal.

          Sounds like Sevo is just a butthurt little snowflake.

          1. “…He has a cogent point..”

            Idiotic claims like this result in assholes being labeled steaming piles of lefty shit.
            None of your business; fuck off and die.

          2. Exhibit A for how the left can’t meme.

          3. He has a perfect argument —- IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS!!!

      3. Your beliefs don’t magically become something other than totalitarian collectivism just because you come up with an analogy that you think justifies totalitarian collectivism.

  17. Republican is racist and uses minorities as a scapegoat. What else is new? Same with Governor dipshit in Florida blaming it on illegal immigration.

    1. Yeah, MG just upthread whining about anyone who’s not a jew; totally not bigoted.
      Shit-for-dinner cherry-picking.

    2. Lol lame.

      1. That’s for lame berry.

        1. Muted. Because it posts too much.

    3. “Republican is racist…”

      Do you ever get bored of this demonization? Maybe try an original thought?

      1. They don’t pay him enough for original thoughts.

        1. I think it owes them if it strays off script.

  18. “Although Patrick notes that blacks are less likely to be vaccinated than whites, the gap between Republicans and Democrats is much larger.”

    The Democrats, the healthcare bureaucrats, and the press lied about the efficacy of masks and the probable origin of the pandemic, and they blocked posts and deplatformed Republicans for contradicting the CDC and the NIH. No one should ever believe anything just because an expert said so, but even among those who usually give the experts they see in the media a certain amount of deference, in other circumstances, why should any Republican in their right mind believe what they’re told by the Democrats, the health bureaucrats, or the news media at this point?

    They’re all bald-faced liars, and everyone knows it!

    I wonder if Sullum has seen recent polls about the lack of credibility the news media suffers from right now. Have you seen the absurd and insane things Joe Biden has been saying about what’s happening in Afghanistan? He has all the credibility of Baghdad Bob.

    Is Fauci still the head of the NIAID? Isn’t his job to be a source of information that people trust? Liars and buffoons can’t make credible endorsements, which is why no one on Wall Street hired Bernie Madoff to endorse their investment brokerages or financial advice after he was exposed as a fraud. Would you hire Harvey Weinstein to write the sexual harassment manual for your human resources department? Would you go to O.J. Simpson for anger management classes or marriage counseling? Listening to the advice of Biden, the CDC, or Fauci on the pandemic, at this point, is a bit like that.

    The Democrats, the bureaucrats, and the news media burned through whatever credibility they had long ago, and these are the consequences. First you convinced the white, blue collar middle class that you hated them for being sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, and racist, and then you smeared them all as insurrectionists for questioning the election results. You lied about the probable origin of the pandemic–and prohibited people from talking about it on social media. You’re trying to force them to wear masks–even if they’re vaccinated–on the basis of questionable interpretations of very little data. And now you wonder why Republicans don’t believe whatever you tell them and wonder why they’re reluctant to do as you say?

    The reason the townspeople don’t come running when you cry wolf, anymore, is because they’re smart. If you didn’t know you were trashing your own credibility every time you lied to them and treated them with contempt, that’s probably because you’re stupid. This is like a progressive being shocked by the entirely foreseeable and entirely foreseen consequences of progressive policies.

    Yes, it turns out that the choices you made have consequences in the real world, and one of the consequences of destroying your own credibility with TDS, not only over the course of the pandemic but also the whole time Trump was in office, means that when it’s over, you have no credibility anymore. How’s it feel?

    Ultimately, I don’t know if there is a solution to a whole class of Democrat politicians, bureaucrats, and their fans in the news media willfully destroying their own credibility. The reason you’re supposed to avoid drunk driving is because after you’ve killed an innocent child with your choice, it’s too late. You’re supposed to avoid foolish choices for fear of the negative consequences before they happen, and the negative consequences of selling your credibility short is supposed to be a lack of credibility.

    Maybe Democrats, bureaucrats, and their fans in the news media can take solace in the realization that future generations will always look back at their disgraceful behavior over the last five years as a textbook example of what happens when the government, the experts, and the news media completely destroy their own credibility. Their monumental contempt for average people, their outright lying, and their profound stupidity should be remembered forever.

    1. And now you wonder why Republicans don’t believe whatever you tell them and wonder why they’re reluctant to do as you say?

      For heaven’s sake, DONALD TRUMP told people to get vaccinated and they booed him. It isn’t because they merely disbelieve Democrats. It is because they aren’t going to go out of their way to protect their health or the health of others around them unless it immediately impacts their lives.

      1. You’re too retarded to eat dinner without stabbing yourself to death.

        1. I dunno. Ive heard he eats a lot. Just sayin’.

          1. He eats a lot of sausage that is still attached.

        2. Sadly this is either false or his meals come in a sippy cup. Probably the sippy cup given the evidence.

      2. Do you trust democrats because you don’t trust Trump?

        Can you imagine someone who thinks in a more complex manner?

        1. Where did chemjeff say he trusts Democrats or Republicans? Why would a sane, self-interested person even consider politics when deciding whether to get a safe, low-risk, free-of-charge vaccination that will keep you from being harmed by COVID-19, and also help build herd immunity and reduce the likelihood of new strains emerging.

          1. “…Why would a sane, self-interested person even consider politics when deciding whether to get a safe, low-risk, free-of-charge vaccination that will keep you from being harmed by COVID-19, and also help build herd immunity and reduce the likelihood of new strains emerging.”

            Why would steaming piles of lefty shit stick their noses into the business of others?

          2. Seems stupid to me, but I remember when being anti-vax was cool because trump was president.

            1. Oh, yes. A couple of D governors were ‘not going to allow’ the vaxxes until they were tested by certified D testers!
              I’d forgotten that!

          3. You understand the article sullim wrote correct? You did see where jeff mentions trump in his post right?

          4. I would refer you to the fatalities attributed to the ‘safe’ vaccine.

      3. “For heaven’s sake, DONALD TRUMP told people to get vaccinated and they booed him. It isn’t because they merely disbelieve Democrats. It is because they aren’t going to go out of their way to protect their health or the health of others around them unless it immediately impacts their lives.”

        Jeff has a couple of issues:
        1) “non-sequitur” is a mystery to him; what a relatively small gathering of those who support Trump does says nothing about Ken’s point. You could even call it “cherry-picking”; don’t worry, jeff doesn’t understand that.
        2) and then the steaming pile of lefty shit seems incapable of understanding:
        IT’S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, ASSHOLE.

        1. They don’t “disbelieve Democrats” because they’re Democrats.

          They don’t believe the Biden administration, the healthcare bureaucracy, or the news media 1) because they’ve shown nothing but contempt to these people for five years and 2 ) because they’ve all lied and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied and lied for five years.

          I’d say it started with the Russia/Hillary hoax, but it started long before that. The lies and bullshit may have started in earnest with the coverage of Trump campaign rallies in 2016, which were compared to the Nuremberg rallies–complete with allegations that Trump campaign figures assaulted Michelle Fields like a bunch of brownshirts.

          It doesn’t surprise me if ChemJeff thinks that Republicans don’t believe Democrats because they’re Democrats. He is really stupid. Republicans are reluctant to believe Biden, the bureaucrats, and the news media because they’ve been doing nothing but showering Republicans with contempt and lies for more than five years.

          It is not unreasonable for them to question the honesty of the habitual liars that hate them.

          1. “…I’d say it started with the Russia/Hillary hoax, but it started long before that…”

            Ignoring the treatment of JFK, neither Bush was anything other than a garden-variety swamp critter, but both got ill-treated by the media.
            And then we got Obo, and one lap-dog news organization after the other begging for treats at his ankles.
            I’m sure HRC hoped that bias would rub off on her, and it did, but not enough to cover her entire assholishness.
            The “russkis!!!” campaign was probably the proverbial straw; entirely too much claim, entirely too little evidence.

            1. Further:
              Ignoring NYT/Duranty, FDR was circling the drain when he was elected for the forth time; the press said nothing other than ‘what a great guy he is!’. Fortunately, he did have a good military staff, and didn’t meddle, so the war was not really affected, except he should have been posthumously indicted for criminal negligence in totally ignoring any attempt to brief Truman on the war strategy, his personal agreements and, for pete’s sake the nuclear weapons! He gets accolades from the press; pays to be NY old money.
              Continues in many histories to this day, except for the notable exception of Miscamble (“Roosevelt to Truman”), who is brave enough to point out that Roosevelt was naked.
              Eisenhower (faulty enough – Secretary of Education), gets knock for playing golf.
              And then JFK.

          2. So why don’t Republicans believe Trump when he recommends getting the vaccine? Hmm? Is he part of the bureaucracy? The Deep State? The news media?

            This is beyond people simply not trusting the government. This is the result of bad actors with agendas weaponizing ordinary scientific methods and processes, trying to cast the next scientific result as a LIE if it contradicts the previous one, when in reality, new data that rejects old hypotheses are a standard part of the scientific process.

            If an expert recommends a particular course of action, then that expert is branded a LIAR and a FRAUD if the recommendation doesn’t work 100% of the time. If an expert makes a recommendation in tentative language – “the vaccine *could* reduce your risk” – then the expert is branded as a LIAR and a FRAUD by equivocation. Why is he/she using such equivocal words? Must be hiding something!

            The truth is, too many people, when confronted with a scary ambiguous world full of uncertainty and doubt, cannot handle the ambiguity; and when their government doesn’t provide them with the certainty that they crave, instead of engaging some critical thinking and reasoning through the risks themselves, they immediately jump to paranoid conspiracies about the government LYING to you and INJECTING POISON into you and FORCING SUBJUGATION onto you.

            When masks don’t work 100% of the time, then masks turn into a tool to socially condition and oppress people. When vaccines don’t work 100% of the time, then vaccines are poison full of microchips and garbage. Too many people expect a miracle cure, and when the miracle cure doesn’t arrive, then the government must be a bunch of villains with ulterior motives.

            It is the perpetual black/white thinking that is the problem. They cannot handle that recommendations are just that, recommendations, not absolute guarantees. And the right-wing demagogues are all too happy to use vaccine skepticism to their advantage. It is sickening the degree to which right-wingers have turned fear about the vaccines into a political power grab.

            1. Look at how hysterical collectivistjeff is.
              But everyone should totes listen to him, otherwise they’re irrational…

            2. You seem to know the words regarding social conditioning but you ignore those words. Were you groomed as a child? Is that why you eat your emotions away?

      4. The jab doesn’t stop you from getting or passing on the virus, so it does jack shit for ‘others’.

        And if I want to not ‘protect’ myself from something that isn’t a threat to me, what the fuck do you care?

        1. The jab doesn’t stop you from getting or passing on the virus, so it does jack shit for ‘others’.

          Again more stupid black/white thinking fallacy. “Because it is not 100% effective therefore it is 100% useless.” The vaccine *helps* to reduce transmission of the virus.

          And if I want to not ‘protect’ myself from something that isn’t a threat to me, what the fuck do you care?

          1. You keep the virus around and keep it circulating.
          2. You won’t think it is a threat, until you wind up in the hospital, where you will demand the best care on the planet (subsidized of course) and demanding sympathy for your plight.

          1. Vaccinated and transmitting and getting sick. Try again.

          2. “1. You keep the virus around and keep it circulating.
            2. You won’t think it is a threat, until you wind up in the hospital, where you will demand the best care on the planet (subsidized of course) and demanding sympathy for your plight”

            This is holocaust style thinking.

          3. Why do you keep posting fallacious arguments.

            The only one who has argued on the manner presented is you. You’ve literally argued that masks mitigate spread a small amount, so everyone should wear one. Same with vaccines.

            Meanwhile others are saying people are responsible for their own risk profile.

            Youre so fucking dishonest.

      5. Pedo Jeffy invents strawmen and false narratives because he has no real arguments or ideas.

      6. You wear slip-on shoes to get around those dastardly laces, huh?

    2. Boy, that’s a lot of words, but it’s still dumb to turn down being vaccinated because of one’s political tribe membership.

      1. Eat shit mike.

      2. “…but it’s still dumb to turn down being vaccinated because of one’s political tribe membership.”

        It’s far more stooooopid to assume you know the reason people chose to do something and then stooooooopid beyond the pale to assume people care about your opinion regarding their business.
        Or, simply, fuck off and die, slaver.

      3. A Republican POTIS delivered the vaccine in warp speed time. Try again.

      4. Yep, that’s the only fucking reason.

        Jesus Christ you collectivist are stupid.

      5. Let me sue and complete the testing. Then I can ignore it because flu vaccines are a bad joke about pharmaceutical profits.

  19. Let’s be real claear here: Whether someone decides to get vaccinated it their business, not yours.
    If you somehow think it is, well, you can fuck off and die. Soon.

    1. I just took a plane in and out of California, over the past week, and I thought for sure someone would ask me for my proof of vaccination at some point. They’re going after governors in other states for trying to stop private companies from discriminating against those who aren’t vaccinated, but I can’t seem to find anyone anywhere in California who cares whether I’m vaccinated.

      Schools care, but that seems to be it.

      1. Wife and I enjoy eating out, so we are regulars at several places. We’ve gotten emails from 3 over the weekend offering ‘get out of jail free’ cards, which they will accept.
        I’m sure one knows we’re both vaccinated, since it came up in conversation. I’m also sure the other two don’t, since we are not close enough to the management for that to have ever been discussed.
        There may (FINALLY) be some active resistance to gov’t over-reach.

        1. It sounds like a speakeasy!

          1. That was my barber!
            She has a back door, and those who she trusted had to go back there and knock!
            She got extra tips…

            1. “She has a back door, and those who she trusted had to go back there and knock!
              She got extra tips…”

              I’ve experienced this same thing in, er, different circumstances. ENB would understand.

      2. Well, it’s statewide now — no admittance to any indoor event with over 1,000 people unless you’re vaccinated or have a negative COVID test (recent, presumably).

        Luckily baseball in California is outdoors, as it should be.

      3. I’m not aware of any teacher’s union on the country that has agreed to require vaccinations for all public school teachers, which is a collective bargaining issue.

        Instead, the teachers unions and the school boards (most of which are controlled by teachers’ unions) are blaming the children, and demanding/mandating that all students wear ineffective masks during the entire school day.

  20. BTW, did anyone catch the Sunday TV agitprop programs with the newest excuse for droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuckup?

    1. “That was 5 days ago! Get out of here, man!”

      What an ass.

      1. REALLY? Is droolin’ Joe trying to recycle that loser?

      2. Oh, and my email ‘info’ page had a photo/caption of him claiming ‘11,000 have been evac’d’ (which number stinks to high heaven), and another claiming ‘it wasn’t that bad and it would have happened anyway’.
        I’m waiting for the one where he says he ‘won’t do it again’.

      3. To be fair, numbers and using them to solve problems is racist.

    2. Kammy is nowhere to be found on this debacle. When Biden gets 25A’d or impeached, she’s being tossed a slow pitch for a home run.

      She’s a conniving bitch, but she might be smart.

      1. I’ll take “clever”.

        1. Devious
          Craven
          Disingenuous
          Just fucking evil, stupid, inept, and whorish

        2. Machiavellian seems like an appropriate adjective.

          1. Assumes too much intelligence.

        3. Obama called her “the best looking attorney general”. Surprised he wasn’t canceled for that.

      2. She hasn’t even made a Kameo.

        1. That’s her prerogative.
          It’s the way she wants to live.

      3. Harris is leading a “charm offensive”, according to the lapdog media.

        Oh wait, it’s the impartial BBC:

        “Kamala Harris joins diplomatic charm offensive in South East Asia”

        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-58277226

      4. she might be under someone right now.

  21. Thank you for continuing to make Covid political. Please explain how this article, or the LT Gov’s comments help anyone?

    1. It helps Biden, since it’s unrelated to Afghanistan, where everything is going according to plan. From at least one group’s perspective.

      1. “…where everything is going according to plan…”

        And it’s extremely unfortunate that this might be TRUE!

      2. It also helps Biden by knocking Newsom out of contention for 2024.
        And Cuomo knocked himself out.
        And Harris has the border crisis tar b…. I mean, border crisis albatross to worry about.

        1. “helps Biden by knocking Newsom out of contention for 2024.”

          Lol

  22. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick looks a little like Keith Olbermann.

    1. Which is ironic if you ever watched Sports Center back in the day.

  23. It really does not matter is various groups of people are hesitant about getting the Covid-19 Vaccine. The fact is that people are individuals and individuals should have the right to decide for themselves if they want want to get the vaccine.

    Personally I made the decision for myself as an individual to get the vaccine, but mandating that people must get the vaccine is an extremely dangerous and foolish idea.

    For one thing, once there is a vaccine mandate and vaccine passports they will never go away even if Covid-19 is completely eradicated. Once the door is open the authoritarians on the Right and the Left will choose the next item that we will be forced to comply with.

    We as individuals need to retain the sole rights over our bodies and what we decide to consume and what drugs we will allow to be injected into us. Stop trying to manipulate us, simply give us the facts and let us make or decisions.

    The reality is that the Pro-Vaccine crowd is not even consistent in their own logic. It fairly easy to determine that they are trying to manipulate us and apparent that they feel that they must lie people because they assume that everyone else are stupid.

    It not that the Anti-Vaccine crowd is without fault, but the majority are not attempting to stop other people from getting the vaccine, but rather want to retain their right to decide for themselves.

    If I had to stereotype the two sides, the Pro-Vaccine crowd would be authoritarians and the Anti-Vaccine crowd the oppressed. Of course there are people like myself who got the “Jab”, but do not want others to be forced to to get the “Jab” or to be treated as second class citizens because they made their personal decision differently than I did.

    1. tl:dr- Leave me alone. You do you.

    2. There is no anti-vaccine crowd. There is no group going around and advocating against anyone that wants or needs the vaccine from having access to it. There are pro choice folks.

      1. Very good point, and one I’ve ignored.
        A common enough split between political views, even if lefty shits like Mike and jeff claim it is not political. Yes it is:
        One side: Leave me alone.
        Second side: No! We know better!
        Moly, Mike jeff, shit-for-dinner? Fuck off and die.

    3. “….The fact is that people are individuals and individuals should have the right to decide for themselves if they want want to get the vaccine…”

      First, let’s make this clear: There are those who claim to hold certain political views when they actually hold the opposite. This becomes obvious when certain issues are under discussion.
      MG, shit-for-dinner are both admitted lefty piles of shit, and their comments are expected; they ASSUME they should be able to tell you what to do.
      Lying assholes like Mike and jeff claim to be supportive of liberty until a particular issue is under discussion and then it becomes clear that they consider this a ‘special case’, as do lefty shits every time an issue is under discussion. This is simply the ‘revealed preference’ of both of those steaming piles of lefty shit, regardless of of their more common lies.
      But it’s not hard to see through the lies;
      NONE OF THEIR BUSINESS!

    4. Yeah, I got the shot too, not that I thought I needed it for my health, but because I figured it would be required for travel, and to help protect my parents (who are elderly and vaccine “hesitant”, to put it mildly.)

      But now they’re already talking about needing a booster shot in 8 months. Bugger off.

    5. The reality is that the Pro-Vaccine crowd is not even consistent in their own logic. It fairly easy to determine that they are trying to manipulate us and apparent that they feel that they must lie people because they assume that everyone else are stupid.

      What are the lies that the “pro-vaccine” crowd has actually made? Unlike what some people around here like to claim (e.g. R Mac), the “pro-vaccine” crowd, at least those in a position of authority, has never claimed that the vaccines are 100% safe and 100% effective 100% of the time. There ARE risks with the vaccines, it is still possible to get sick even if vaccinated, they are not a miracle cure. But, overall, they are better than the alternative, i.e., going to the hospital and getting a tube shoved down your throat.

      And it is not about assuming “everyone is stupid”. It is true, however, that most people do not have advanced degrees in biochemistry, genetics, virology, and immunology. Here is the CDC webpage on the vaccines:

      https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/keythingstoknow.html

      Of course the explanation is simplified. A simplified explanation is not the same as a deliberate lie however. I would love for you to offer an explanation for the virus and the vaccines that would be understandable to people who last set foot in a science classroom 50 years ago in highschool.

      If I had to stereotype the two sides, the Pro-Vaccine crowd would be authoritarians and the Anti-Vaccine crowd the oppressed.

      The “pro-vaccine” crowd wants fewer people to get sick. The “anti-vaccine” crowd doesn’t give a shit if more people get sick or not.

      The “pro-vaccine” crowd wants this pandemic to finally end. The “anti-vaccine” crowd is skeptical that there even actually was a pandemic to justify vaccines in the first place.

      At this point, the “anti-vaccine” crowd is on the side of Team Virus.

      And before anyone asks, this is not about government mandated vaccines. I fully reject government mandates for the COVID vaccine. This is about encouraging people to get vaccinated.

      1. Look at the desperate hysteria collectivistjeff tries to bully you with, and consider how persuasive it is

      2. You’ve used the same fallacious argument 3 times in this thread you retarded fuck.

  24. There is no vaccine-hesitancy problem. There is a Covid-overreaction problem with an authoritarian variant. And nearly all of those who have it are Democrats.

    A disease so harmless that you usually don’t know you have it until tested is absolutely not cause for the state to use force. Period.

  25. The biggest problem with claims about a partisan divide in vaccine uptake is that they assume the KFF survey was remotely accurate to begin with. The second-biggest problem is that they assume that if it was accurate, it is still up-to-date enough a month later to still be worth citing as a source. I see no reason to treat either assumption as particularly credible.

  26. Not tone deaf at all…

    https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1429611346346250242?t=X1pB7l1OicGqnNHOUOxJww&s=19

    To those in Henri’s path: Don’t forget that you may need to seek shelter while we’re still battling COVID-19 and the Delta variant. So wear a mask and try to observe social distancing.

    And to everyone across the country, don’t get caught by the next storm. Get vaccinated now.

    1. Masks prevent hurricanes! Fauci (probably) says so.

      1. Well they stop small micron sized particles perfectly so it makes sense right that they’d stop large amounts of water 😛

    2. jeff will assure us that the gov’t agencies denying shelter to the h’cains effects are just people acting on their own!
      I’m sure turd is truly a bit more stupid compared to jeff, but it’s hard to tell.

  27. https://twitter.com/ElijahSchaffer/status/1429624559523680257?t=AtVbZyTt_jB4TLVsZYN-4w&s=19

    ANTIFA members harass an elderly man who has a “Don’t tread on me” flag attached to his vehicle.

    An ANTIFA member tried to rip his flag off and threw an egg at his car as he tried to drive away. [Video]

    Lots of infighting, as ANTIFA have been attacking cars and the elderly all day.

    Not every member agrees with the violence and they’re now calling each other animals.

    1. Scroll down to Kristy Swanson’s tweet on the same page. Compares Eisenhower to Milley. That about sums it up.

      1. Twitter, btw, is full on gaslighting for antifa, who threatened the rally, forcing it to move to a new location, then attacked that new location, and shot someone downtown where no proud boys were.
        The leftists are full on psychotic and need to be met with real, total war.

    2. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1429596874068090885?t=WexsrOFuphl_0M2PSB0uBA&s=19

      Though not outnumbered, #antifa ran and retreated at the riot in northeast Portland. The clashes started after antifa crashed a van at the right-wing rally and jumped out throwing homemade explosives. It led to intense clashes spilling onto street. [Video]

    3. I hope they all kill each other, and save the rest of us the trouble. Their existence is problematic.

    4. https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1429734489190768641?t=SZlGRZsLbHowwZgndFvCUA&s=19

      Shocking video from yesterday’s Portland riot shows antifa robbing female photographer @MaranieRae & hitting her to the ground. She goes to retrieve her equipment & is hit w/pepper spray. Video by @JLeeQuinn: [video]

  28. https://twitter.com/TheLastRefuge2/status/1429620216842043396?t=LbEr70vj-uXFTHEw68zOqQ&s=19

    Australian Police Beating More People in the Streets Than the Taliban [link]

  29. https://twitter.com/JordanSchachtel/status/1429561104167018497?t=stnXDGaDLZb877ggGWbnfA&s=19

    When you observe the maniacal fascism occurring throughout Australia, recall that Fauci, Bill Gates, CDC, the “public health” establishment, etc have endorsed the nation as representing the model COVID response.

  30. If 90% of whites were vaccinated and only 40% of blacks were vaccinated, what would change in the long run? Vaccines don’t stop transmission (which was considered misinformation not that long ago). Blacks and Latinos would just infect each other in their communities. America is as big as western Europe, and cities like LA are densely packed. The cycle is only delayed.

    Who should be more urgently vaccinated – the gen pop, or patients and personnel in nursing homes? A gazillion white people who live in suburbia, including tons of not at risk youths, or the nonwhite demographic that tend to have more chronic health issues and live in dense, impoverished neighborhoods?

    Ask yourselves why BLM and their sycophantic allies in the media aren’t pushing for for black vaccination that doubles, triples or quadruple the white rate. “Go get vaccinated for health equity”, they might say. After all, blacks are supposed to be systemically oppressed and white people get all the benefits before blacks do. And they usually live and die by representation.

    Surprise, they don’t. Because to even SLIGHTLY acknowledge that black fall behind or are less morally responsible than whites, under any context, is unacceptable. So they ignore proportion when it comes black crime, but emphasize it when people rightly point that black vaccination rate lag behind whites. “Well there are more unvaccinated whites”. Well, more white people are shot by cops. Debate ends?

    More importantly – they cannot acknowledge that black vaccine hesitancy is at least partially a result of them poisoning their minds against society. Would you get vaccinated if you’re told nonstop that your country is racist and hunts you down for sports?

    1. They don’t have to do any of that. They just lie and shout down anyone who tries to tell the truth

      It’s the democrat way. Look at Jeffy, Lying Mike, Shitlunches, AmSoc, Tony, Buttplug, etc.. not a shred of honesty or decency among them. Most of them are sociopaths, and Jeffy is a fatfuck. The democrat party is mostly true believers like the aforementioned filth, or morons who know nothing and support the democrats based on how their rhetoric makes them feel.

    2. I’m not even that old and I’m almost old enough to be alive during Tuskegee.

  31. https://www.theepochtimes.com/connecticut-allows-patients-their-doctors-and-local-health-officials-to-access-covid-19-vaccination-records_3958088.html?utm_source=partner&utm_campaign=ZeroHedge

    Connecticut Governor Ned Lamont issued an executive order that allows patients and their doctors to access patients’ own COVID-19 vaccination digital records stored in the state information system. The order also permits local health officials and school nurses to access the vaccination status of people in their communities.

    1. Tell the pharmacist you’re homeless and get the shot without ID. Problem solved. You get the vaccine, no one has you in a database.

      They don’t really give a shit what name they put in the record, as long as they get paid.

      1. You’re not getting it.

        They just completely violated medical confidentiality and opened the records for inspection, registered shot or not.

        Next, they go down the lists…

  32. Still, it is true that blacks are less likely to be vaccinated than whites.

    And it’s also true that they’re much less likely to be vaccinated than White Republicans (40% vs 54%). It is a smaller problem, of course, because it’s a smaller population overall. But, in many urban places (Detroit, Atlanta, etc) there are a lot more Black Democrats than White Republicans.

    And the idea that if everybody was vaccinated we’d be allowed to get back to normal life is questionable at best — highly vaccinated countries are seeing outbreaks of the delta variant regardless. I don’t think there’s any way the government would be dropping its mandates while covid is running through the vaccinated population (indeed, we’re seeing mask mandates being brought back for the vaccinated too).

    1. Masks also don’t work…

      1. Masks are a communist plot to take away all of our freedoms.

        1. Suck that dick, soy

          1. Go murder a Democrat.

            1. Kill yourself

              1. So mature.

                1. Look at your first response cupcake.

      2. Neither do progressives.

  33. But the anti-vaccine sentiment among his supporters still caused him to vacillate and unnecessarily qualify his recommendation…

    Affirming body autonomy is vacillation. I guess haranguing, threatening and state coercion is the only way to deal with anti-vaxxers. Certainly not acknowledgement of conflicting and confusing data.

  34. Here is an example of the actual problem when it comes to vaccine rejection.

    https://www.newsweek.com/sean-hannity-called-out-cdc-director-rochelle-walensky-false-vaccine-claim-1621740

    Dr. Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), directly addressed comments made by Fox News host Sean Hannity about vaccines on Friday.

    Walensky spoke to MSNBC’s Ari Melber and was shown a clip of Hannity discussing COVID-19 vaccines and telling his audience that “the science shows the vaccine will not necessarily protect you. It’s not protecting many people.”

    The first part of the quotation is strictly true. The vaccine will not necessarily protect you. But the second part is false. It is protecting a lot of people, it is just not AS effective as originally hoped.

    Why is Hannity trying to manufacture doubt about the vaccines? Hannity himself got immunized, he said so. So why is he trying to discourage others from getting vaccinated? Because he is a demagogue reflecting and affirming his audience’s fears, rather than informing them and giving them accurate and truthful information. Hannity will lose a good chunk of his audience if he forcefully advocates for the vaccine so he takes the coward’s way out and just parrots back what his audience wants to hear. That is what the “pro-vaccine” (otherwise known as the “anti-virus”) crowd is up against. People who shamelessly amplify and reflect baseless claims and fears for the sake of their own popularity and salaries.

    And her reaction is:

    “My job is to give accurate information to the American people,” Walensky said.

    “Here is the accurate information. The vast majority of people in this country who are getting infected with COVID, who are showing up in the hospital with COVID, and now who are dying with COVID are people who have not received this vaccine,” she said.

    Well, her job is to do what Biden tells her to do, frankly. But her second part is undeniably true. The overwhelming majority of people in hospitals for COVID are unvaccinated.

    But assholes like Hannity would prefer that people not get vaccinated and go to the hospital for COVID instead, as long as they continue to tune into his show from their hospital room.

    1. What you believe and what you do with your body is really important to collectivistjeff. More important to him than what he does with his. Do what collectivistjeff wants you to do, and believe what collectivistjeff wants you to believe, or he’ll have the State force you to.

      1. jeff says “Hey, the vaccine is a great idea, and shame on Hannity for discouraging people from taking it” and Nardz reads “MANDATE THE VACCINE!!! AAUUUGHHH!!!!!”

        Can’t have a rational conversation with an irrational conservative.

        1. Pattern recognition is way beyond sarcasmic’s mental capacity

          1. Humans are adept at seeing patters that don’t exist. You are no exception.

            1. Youre an admitted troll.

      2. He believes his body is so important that he refuses to go on a diet.

    2. Walensky has both lied and been factually wrong many times. Why are you listening to her? Oh yeah. Youre a statist.

    3. Do you know what many means? Obviously Ari doesn’t.

  35. Sullum relies upon dubious survey data to once again (for the nth time) attack Republicans (just because he hates the GOP).

    Sullum failed to mention that Democrats often lie about their vaccination status in order to virtue signal, as five Texas House Democrats demonstrated when they all claimed to be vaccinated, but then all got infected after flying out of Texas on the same jet (to prevent a fair election law from being enacted in the state).

  36. I thought libertarians believed people were free to do whatever they liked with their bodies, put in whatever they want, not put in whatever they don’t want.

    Why is “vaccine hesitancy” rates by party even thought about here?

    1. Why is “vaccine hesitancy” rates by party even thought about here?

      Both sides (but, really, Republicans are worse)! Duh.

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