Afghanistan

The Taliban Got Their Hands on American Military Gear Because We Invaded Afghanistan, Not Because We Withdrew

After a nearly 20-year occupation, this was one inevitable outcome.

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When a group of Taliban fighters stormed the hastily abandoned presidential palace in Kabul, Afghanistan, earlier this week, they carried a powerful symbol of the changing times: American-issued M16 and M4 rifles.

It's not just a propaganda coup. As the Taliban swept into full control of Afghanistan this week, they also claimed a cornucopia of military gear, equipment, and weapons that had been supplied to the Afghan government by the United States. There's no way to determine how much American military gear has ended up in the hands of Taliban fighters, but the "current intelligence assessment was that the Taliban are believed to control more than 2,000 armored vehicles, including U.S. Humvees, and up to 40 aircraft potentially including UH-60 Black Hawks, scout attack helicopters, and ScanEagle military drones," Reuters reported on Thursday, citing an unnamed U.S. official.

The aircraft and drones are probably useless without training and support staff. But the Humvees and small arms are exactly the sorts of things that a new regime could use to impose its will on the people of Afghanistan. After nearly 20 years of fighting, the Taliban that America is leaving behind is almost certainly better-supplied than it was when the U.S. military invaded in October 2001.

During the occupation, the U.S. transferred more than 600,000 guns (including those M16 and M4 rifles), 76,000 vehicles, and 162,000 pieces of communication equipment to the Afghan security forces, according to a 2017 Government Accountability Office (GAO) report (the report itself has seemingly been deleted from the GAO's website).

Since those figures are several years old, the actual totals are almost certainly higher.

"We don't have a complete picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has gone," Jake Sullivan, the White House's national security adviser, said Tuesday. "But certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of the Taliban, and obviously we don't have a sense that they are going to readily hand it over to us at the airport."

Be careful not to draw unrealistic conclusions about all this. After nearly 20 years of war in Afghanistan, there's no scenario in which the U.S. military wouldn't leave tons of weaponry and other gear behind. Despite what former President Donald Trump suggested in a statement this week, rolling up a long military occupation of a foreign country is not as simple as bringing out "all the equipment" and "then you bomb the bases into smithereens."

It's not that simple because a lot of American military gear was already in Taliban hands before the collapse of the American-backed Afghan military. A 2016 Pentagon audit found that poor record keeping was to blame for more than $1 billion in small arms that went missing during the occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan.

"Many of the Western weapons and equipment distributed like candy to battlefield partners in Iraq and Afghanistan since the start of the Global War on Terror have wound up in the hands of terrorists regardless of oversight efforts," military blog Task & Purpose concluded in 2017 after reviewing the Pentagon audit.

A lot more American military gear would have fallen into Taliban hands even if the Afghan military and government had managed to hold on for a few more weeks or months—as the Biden administration seemed to expect it would.

Indeed, after America's more orderly (first) withdrawal from Iraq in 2011, there were numerous reports of Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militias driving around in American vehicles and using U.S.-issued ammunition, including mortar shells and M16 rifles like the ones the Taliban are now showing off. A 2015 report from Amnesty International concluded that most of the weapons used by ISIS militias were drawn from "stockpiles captured from the U.S.-allied Iraqi military and Syrian rebels" armed by the U.S. and its allies.

War is messy. Nation building is complicated, bordering on the impossible. Cleaning up after a decades-long occupation is out of the question, so the only way to prevent this kind of thing from happening again is to not invade in the first place.

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  1. “The aircraft and drones are probably useless without training and support staff.”

    Which I am sure the Russians and/or Chinese will be happy to provide.

    1. Fortunately, they won’t reverse engineer them given that China has no history of copying technology from others.

        1. We probably didn’t have time to sabotage them so they take real effort and money to make any use of them.

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    2. My old debate coach would regularly call out debaters for an argument framed this way. If she were alive today she would tell Boehm “A selectively scoped version of – after this, therefore because of this, does not an argument make”.

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      2. Boehm is a moron of the first order. This is another failure of an article, based on an idiotic premise, and executed with such excruciating incapability.

    3. I doubt the Taliban care about aircraft and drones. My guess is they go up for sale quickly.

      1. Drones they could use. Everyone does those. They may be able to use the helicopters and planes in time. They will find ‘volunteers’ to fly and maintain them,

    4. There are still airstrikes – Biden can bomb the runways and planes. He can bomb vehicles and facilities. They can be starved for fuel. People first – munitions and weapons of war next on the list. It’s not like they aren’t going to misbehave with the lot of it. They certainly aren’t going to form a peaceful democracy.

      1. What right to again bomb a foreign land? 1st time was not enough? NO UNSC or UN Mandate.. and WHY? Because the conspiracy theory that an an Arab in an Afghan cave shut down the 1/2T$ US air defenses with his laptop, then had one of his 22 his L Pilots, this one couldn’t solo a Cessna172 with 600 logged hours, fly a hologram, at the impossible ground level speed of 580mph, right through a Twin Tower, and ‘crush’ it so well, that the remains could be removed overnight in 4 hours, instead of taking 4 years. That being.. Millions of tons of twisted steel girders, glass, concrete, air con machines and ducts, plumbing and sanitary ware, wiring and emergency genes, office equipment,, and 3000 HUMANS.. that in 2 100M high mounds.. (physics), not forgetting, the 2 remaining central cores, 417M high(!)! as the floors had ‘pancaked’, according to NIS. Search ”.9/11 Hologram Plane Theory – Bill Cooper RIP Nov 5 2001”.

      2. Susan Rice won’t let him. This is all her doing. Remember Gropy Joe can’t get of the pot by himself. And yes, one of Kamal’s duties is to wipe him.

        1. She likely uses her tongue out of instinct. After many years of rimming Willie Brown.

      3. “There are still airstrikes – Biden can bomb the runways and planes. He can bomb vehicles and facilities…”

        There are between 10K and 40K US military and civilians over there. Let’s be honest and call them “hostages”; wanna start bombing the place?

        1. Yup. Why would Biden bomb the lone runaway available to remove American hostages?

          1. Because he’s droolin’ Joe’! If you want it fucked up, get Joe to do it.

            1. He really so the perfect democrat.

    5. Not because we went to war, but because the exit was astounding inept. It’s not like they didn’t have time to plan, so maybe Joe is impulsive.

      Trump was impulsive when he recalled that bombing of Iran; no one hurt.

      Biden, potentially tens of thousands of Americans and other Westerners left in the tender care of the Taliban.

      But Orange Man bad. So watch this story fade in the MSM.

      1. Behind closed doors the Donkeys are shitting bricks. Imagine if he suddenly got an idea to nuke somewhere!

        Kamala is measuring the curtains.

      2. “…But Orange Man bad. So watch this story fade in the MSM.”

        The SF Chron this morning found a Vietnam war vet who said this was not identical to Saigon, and also had some local images of people holding signs sympathetic to Afghans.
        Why those stories ran was not explained; it’s as if nothing newsworthy has happened in Afghanistan this week.

        1. ‘not identical’ means criminally worse

          1. It’s the most internationally embarrassing scene in US history, and by a lot

          2. The criminality was America’s invasion.

            1. You’re an idiot. But I’ll try ya…. exactly who has the right to tell the US whether one invasion is kosher and another one not?

              I’d give you a hint, but you wouldn’t like it.

              Idiot.

      3. Only a complete dupe would think that this entire charade isn’t a 100% intentional and fully planned transition of power to the taliban. It’s so obvious it’s by design, I just can’t figure out why they wouldn’t come out with it and admit that the taliban was the best man for the job.

        Or maybe this is all part of the alleged Marxist takeover where the marxists turn their backs on their facilitators (progs, media) and commence with the endgame.

    6. AmeriKKKa’s latest Humiliation.

      LOL!

    7. Let’s hope The Taliban and Emperor Xi or Putin establish relations, one turns on the other, and they all get their just desserts!

      Red China hasn’t had it’s Vietnam yet and Russia certainly deserves another Vietnam in Afghanistan if it’s too stupid to have learned from the first time!

      And maybe it’s time “The Graveyard of Empires” added the Islamic Caliphate to that list of dearly departed slaver regimes!

      Get the air-popped, Genetically-Modified, movie theater-buttered barrels of popcorn ready for this, freedom-lovers all over the world! 🙂

      1. Red China hasn’t had it’s Vietnam yet

        Red China is smarter than that: they will pay off the local warlords with money and weapons and quietly extract the mineral wealth.

        1. Ah, but both still want The Big Blue Marble for themselves and you can’t have both “Proletarian World Revolution” and “Allah’s Law For Allah’s Earth” at the same time. One day, the bottom will drop out of the poppy and Lithium bucket. And neither parties are immune from getting a big head.

          1. I doubt Afghan war lords care about conquering the globe; they care mainly about being left alone to f*ck their boys, goats, and women (in that order).

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  2. Here, let me try:

    The Taliban got their hands on American military gear because they harbored and supported a known terrorist who masterminded the 9/11 (almost as bad as 6/1) attacks.

    1. This time it was arms and hostages traded for Biden’s hope of taking a victory lap on 9-11.

      Sick. Mentally impaired.

      1. Oh, Biden will take a victory lap come this 9/11, you wait and see. He really thinks he’s pulled this off. And I love it. I love watching him fail and all his dumb supporters acting like it’s no big deal. *Chef’s Kiss*

        1. The one silver lining is the odds enough people get angry enough to get rid of the democrats is steadily increasing.

  3. It’s inevitable that we leave over 10,000 citizens and tens of thousands of allies behind, too, right Boehm.

    1. I wonder if when Boehm has moved has he always left all his stuff at the old place.

      1. Yep, along with his marbles.

        Left them all when he climbed into the tank with Biden.

      2. many people do leave a lot of their less valuable stuff behind. WHile this situation is different it is also similar in that it’s common for teh military to leave these types of assets behind because they are not economically revoered. More so when the equipment was given to a foreign government…

    2. Seriously, it’s like he can’t walk and chew gum at the same time.

      We get it, invading was Original Sin. That doesn’t absolve Biden of the many sins he committed in leaving Afghanistan.

      1. The three main talking points for regime apologists:
        1. Criticism of any aspect of the withdrawal = advocacy for continued, indefinite occupation.
        2. It’s all Trump’s fault.
        3. Withdrawal would’ve gone poorly no matter what, everything that happened was inevitable, so it doesn’t really matter.

        1. I’ll say it again: our uber driver Joe got us home, but instead of dropping us off in the driveway he totalled the car by crashing it through our living room.

          All arrivals at the same destination are not the exact same.
          And, btw, we haven’t actually withdrawn yet…

          1. Yeah, but the reason Joe’s car slammed into your house was because he didn’t refuse your fair in the first place, not because he failed to apply the breaks while turning into your driveway. His car belonged in your driveway and the house just came out of nowhere. There’s no way he could’ve successfully applied the breaks in time.

            1. The real problem is that you went out drinking and got too drunk to drive. If you hadn’t gone out at all, there wouldn’t he a car in your living room.

          2. “And, btw, we haven’t actually withdrawn yet…”

            Nope and we are entirely beholden to the Taliban who could monkey wrench things at any moment.

            Boehm is going to pretend that their forbearance is cost free. And when we learn it wasn’t then he’ll explain how it was all baked into the cake twenty years ago.

            It’s practically religious faith at this point.

            1. Yep. Other countries are going into the city and getting their people out, but we’re not. I have no doubt it’s because if we start shooting, control of the airport will be discovered to be an illusion. The Taliban are going to keep taking the bribes and gathering up our stuff, and there’s nothing at all we can do about it because they hold all the cards.

          3. “..And, btw, we haven’t actually withdrawn yet…”

            We’re not “withdrawing”; we’re getting our ass kicked out the door with all our shit lefty behind.

        2. https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

          Trump instructed me to arrange a conditions-based, methodical exit plan that would preserve the national interest. The plan ended up being fairly simple: The Afghan government and the Taliban were both told they would face the full force of the US military if they caused any harm to Americans or American interests in Afghanistan.

          Next, both parties would negotiate to create an interim-joint government, and both sides had to repudiate al Qaeda. Lastly, a small special-operations force would be stationed in the country to take direct action against any terrorist threats that arose. When all those conditions were met — along with other cascading conditions — then a withdrawal could, and did, begin.

          Everything changed when the new commander in chief declared that US forces would leave Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021, pushing back the Trump administration’s timetable by four months. Crucially, he didn’t condition the withdrawal on continued adherence to the agreed-upon stipulations. It would be an unconditional pullout with an arbitrary date based on pure symbolism — and set in stone.

          At that point, the Taliban sat back and waited for the date to draw near, then launched a countrywide offensive, knowing they had no reason to fear any reprisals from this administration. The ongoing chaos — not least the stranding of US personnel and allies — was the natural result of the Biden administration’s decision to eschew a conditions-based plan.

          1. “…not least the stranding of US personnel and allies…”

            That’s spelled “hostages”.

        3. 4. See #2
          5. See #2
          etc.

      2. Sins? Sins as in withdrawing troops as the United States of America agreed in WRITING with the Taliban (Trump move)? Renege on another POTUS’s word? No.

        There are several countries pitching in to do the evac we need to do to help the Afghanis who helped us and to get Americans out. We can’t send limos out to anyone’s door for them, however. Of course it’s a cluster because it’s terrorists and a country’s takeover with an “army” that folded without a fight. Twenty years is enough – stand or be governed by terrorists, but don’t expect other countries to keep paying your debts in men, money, equipment, fuel, food, aide, education. All for naught.

        1. Mick going with a 2-3 combo here

      3. Biden was on the Senate committee that approved the Use of Force Memo.

    3. This is different. And the point is valid.

      A lot of people are saying that we should have destroyed “our” equipment during withdrawal, and so the fact that the Taliban captured the gear is evidence of the withdrawal’s failure.

      But that is incorrect. This gear was the property of the Afghan government. And if you accept that the Afghan government was doomed whether Trump had been elected and left in May or when Biden whiffed and withdrew in July, then you have to also accept that no matter what this gear would have been captured by the Taliban.

      The refugees in Afghanistan are different. They are 100% the fault of the withdrawal planning. Had the US been gone by May as planned, this wouldn’t have been a problem. The Afghan government would have still evaporated over night, delivering their gear into the hands of the Taliban, but at least our allies and our civilians would be safe.

      1. The equipment was US property.
        The idea that the ANA was going to stand up to the Taliban has been exposed by numerous sources to be complete bullshit invented to lie about the situation.
        We were going to leave some equipment with them, but we certainly could’ve limited that amount.

        1. Dude- we had 5,000 people left in the region.

          All that gear was given to the 300,000 man army that we had trained and equipped over 20 years. You need a lot Humvees and blackhawks to supply those troops, and it was all captured by the Taliban. As stated in the article:

          “During the occupation, the U.S. transferred more than 600,000 guns (including those M16 and M4 rifles), 76,000 vehicles, and 162,000 pieces of communication equipment to the Afghan security forces,”

          And that is just up through 2017- before the US really got serious with exiting and started really offering them bribes- er, assurances through military capability- that we could leave.

          It is still true that the evacuation was a complete shit show. And the americans stranded there are still unacceptable, and for that alone, Biden and a whole raft of career bureaucrats ought to be entering retirement. But in this specific case, Boehm is right. *shrug*

        2. The fact that we were, uh, withdrawing on 9/11 8/31 8/16 should’ve been a clue that this gear didn’t belong to the US *or* the ANA.

          In Biden’s defense, the most realistic take is that in true American military fashion it probably would’ve taken two weeks and at least a half-dozen de-requisition forms to get the equipment tactically deactivated.

          1. And he’s only been in office for, oh, 28 weeks. Given his capabilities, it’s easy to see the difficulty here.

      2. The point “The Taliban Got Their Hands on American Military Gear Because We Invaded Afghanistan, Not Because We Withdrew” isn’t valid. Whether they got the weapons because the didn’t blow them up as we left or because we left and, a decade later, the government collapsed, the correct/valid point is that they got their hands on the gear because we invaded *and* because we left.

        1. Now I think this is just an argument about the words being used.

          Sure, you could blame this on us withdrawing (aka leaving the region to the Afghans who would ultimately fall) but Boehm is arguing that it wasn’t because of “The Withdrawal”. That is important, because the impression that is out there is that this was US-owned equipment that we should have planned to destroy upon leaving. But had we done that- say upon leaving in may like we should have done- then the Afghan army would have not had any of that equipment to fight with.

          But meh, it is besides the point. The real failure here is in the US leaving its own people stranded. And it seems like Boehm is really trying to ignore that part.

          1. But had we done that- say upon leaving in may like we should have done- then the Afghan army would have not had any of that equipment to fight with.

            You’re imagining some magical pink unicorn scenario and doing so in defense of Boehm/Biden.

            So, did we know, months ago when Biden moved up the withdrawal date, from 9/11 to 8/31 that ANA was slowly being overrun and that leaving them the gear was pointless or did the Taliban, on 8/16, just appear out of the sand like a Fremen Army and we didn’t realize that leaving them the gear was pointless?

            1. And, thinking of it, ‘detrimental’ is a better descriptor than ‘pointless’.

      3. Yes, much of what the Taliban captured was from the ANA, but a lot of that gear was well and truly property of the United States government, left behind by our own troops on orders to hastily execute a disorderly withdrawal. It’s not like we leased them 10,000 civilian personnel too.

    4. They left themselves behind. They were told and adviced to leave but they did not. Like most they trusted the Afghan govt for their defense. The US military had long been gone when Kabul fell except for a force of 2500 who were there to defend the embassy and it’s staff.

      1. Huh.
        Well this is a new one.
        The “their dress was too short” response to the Biden administration leaving thousands to the mercy of the Taliban without hope for rescue.
        Bold move, cotton.

        1. “…Well this is a new one…”

          Lord of Shit is keeping track of ALL the excuses lefty assholes are running up the flagpole in the hopes of making Biden look less like the total fuck-up he is.
          Unfortunately, he sometimes salutes before anyone else.

        2. Sullum/strazele’s victim-blaming lie isn’t that far off from the ignorant opinion that Boehm is pushing: his idea that the mere fact of US involvement is the reason there was a lack of plan on the Biden administration’s part to recover equipment. I’m extrapolating a bit with the thought about the administration -he doesn’t address them as a good peon, but he still is blaming original situation rather than acknowledging the ongoing fuck up.

      2. That is a lie. The State Department on Wednesday said American Citizens were advised not to leave and SIVs were told there was no need to leave in June at the request of the Afghani government because they were afraid of the optics. Biden admitted today in his press conference that the evacuation didn’t begin until mid-July, after most of our troops had left. I told you all this last night, so you must be lying now because you aren’t misinformed.

        1. Of course Lord of Shit is lying. Never expect otherwise.

      3. Also there was not 2500 troops guarding the embassy. There was like 40 marines. The 2500 number is the number of troops in country on January 20th, 2021 when Biden took office. You aren’t even getting basic facts right.

      4. Excuse me sir, I believe you dropped something. Yes, right here – basic human decency and unadulturated truth.

        What, no room? I see. You gotta carry water for the Big Guy instead.

        1. That stuff’s entirely too heavy for Lord of Shit to carry.

  4. Eric, no planning abandonment =/ orderly withdrawal. But you know this.

    1. But that is his point: This gear was not abandoned- it was transferred to the Afghan government. The only way that gear isn’t captured is if the Afghan government somehow was able to fight off the Taliban.

      1. …or if US authorities, like seemingly everyone else on the ground and around the world, understood that the Afghans would fold to the Taliban without much of a fight, and decided not to transfer everything.

        1. Fine, but then you need to at least cop to the fact that much of that equipment was transferred to the Afghans by Trump. This gear wasn’t just brand new. It has been delivered to the Afghans for 20 years.

          The whole reason it was transferred to them by Bush, Obama AND TRUMP was because everyone was saying, “We are arming the Afghans so they can fight without us.”

          So are you really, seriously saying that Biden should have said, “Before we go, we are pretty sure you all will be dead in 3 months, so we are taking back all the gear we gave you.” Do you think Trump would have done that if he had been elected, and left in May?

          I don’t. I think that if Trump had been elected (and allowed to serve), he’d have fulfilled his promise to withdraw our troops by May. He’d have left all that equipment in the possession of the Afghan army. And when August rolled around, the Taliban army would have been in exactly the same position.

          The only difference is that thousands of americans wouldn’t be sitting behind enemy lines, because they would have left in May.

          1. No, I do not think Trump would have left all that equipment.
            Some, yes.
            But the only reason we left it all was negligence.

            1. It wasn’t our equipment to take. How do you not understand that? It’s a pretty simple thing to grasp. The Afghan govt had been fighting the Taliban for years and your big idea that we should have disarmed them on our way out.

              1. If only we’d had more gear and men in Afghanistan, our withdrawal would’ve been successful!

              2. All your shoes are velcro, aren’t they

              3. Some people fail to realize that we did not turn over equipment to the Taliban, the people we gave it too turned it over.

                Boehm was right this was not a failure to plan, but rather a plan to create an Afghanistan army that failed.

                1. Keep trying, lying piece of TDS-addled shit. Maybe you’ll come up with the ‘story’ to make Biden look less like the total fuck-up he is.

                2. We also abandoned equipment. Wonder who now has it? And the intelligence the press corps had said this would happen. China also knew it would happen and opened up diplomatic relations with the Taliban the same time Biden is giving a presser saying this wouldn’t happen.

                  1. Well, at least Biden doesn’t remember saying that.

                  2. And this is the only equipment that matters in the discussion. Any equipment that the ANA or ANP turned over, they did for their own reasons.

                3. Mmm, old man grundle hits the spot for ya?

                4. Thinking is not your strong point, as you repeatedly demonstrate. The withdrawal is a debacle, and is clearly showing a a failure to plan. Abandoning aircraft , drones and other equipment -and I mean abandoning, not the equipment surrendered by Afghan forces, shows a failure to plan. You are better off with your irrational ‘deadly virus’ freak-out than attempting to debate this.

              4. Did ANYONE think that any of that equipment would EVER come back to the USA? Oh please. The gear was left for the Afghani army which caved into the terrorists and THEY turned it over to them. We can still bomb it. They won’t have a peaceful transition – they will commit human atrocities. They will be corrupt and they will continue to LIE to everyone about how they will govern. People need to get out any way they can. NOW. And stop whining because it’s not a video game, we cannot and will not save everyone, and they all KNEW where they were and what they were doing when they went in. War, people. Not peace; barbarians.

                1. Did anyone involved think at all? The answer is no.

                  There were options other than “the perfect solution” and this clusterfuck.

          2. Well, you are wrong. Thankfully, we don’t have to guess and play what if in regards to how Trump’s administration would have handled the withdrawal. We have record going back to 2017 of how Trump was planning on handling this. We also have a great article in the NY Post that explains, in detail, the plan. You should read that article so you have a better understanding of all this.

            You keep making the same incorrect assertion that this is black and white but there are many ways to skin this cat. Trump was planning a conditions based departure that threatened the Taliban which would have forced their hand to work with the Afghan govt. Biden’s admin decided it made more sense politically to get out with any conditions and we can all see the result. Once the Taliban was certain Biden didn’t have the balls to take more military action and upset the left, they were free to take over. It really is that simple. Biden and the left straight up telegraphed that he and his admin was weak and unwilling to continue the fight whereas Trump and his admin threatened devastating attack and retaliation if the plan was not followed.

            So, yeah, if Trump’s plan was followed the weapons/equipment would still be in the hands of the Afghan army and the Taliban/Afghans would be working together for the most part. Would it devolve eventually into something else? Certainly, however, it would not be the sh** show it is now.

      2. We also abandoned items such as when we left Bagram. The US provided a list to the Afghanis after the fact. Looters made it there first.

        The only way to prevent high-end equipment from falling into Chine…Taliban hands was to not leave it.

        1. Ok, I’ll believe that. I am sure that there was some gear that we intended to take with us, but had to be left behind. But the vast majority of it was Afghan military gear, that would have been captured regardless.

          1. We should not left anything with the Afghanis we didn’t think we would want the Russians or Chinese to obtain. And we shouldn’t have left anything else.

            I agree with you on not going in but that ship sailed 20 years ago. Threatening the decriminalization of opium may have gotten what we really wanted. Maybe not.

            Given the number of American civilians trapped there, there was no cogent plan for any of this. And the folks that got us to this are still running things.

            Reading back when we abandoned Bagram it looks like Turkey was negotiating on our behalf to keep HKIA open without being attacked. Biden et al should not have left us in that position 6 weeks ago. And once in that position there should have been effort to get the civilians out, then the surplus high end gear and then finally the troops.

            1. We should not left anything with the Afghanis we didn’t think we would want the Russians or Chinese to obtain. And we shouldn’t have left anything else.

              With the exception of the drones, none of the listed materiel is exactly cutting edge. The M16/M4 platform been in service in one form or another since at least Vietnam, and the Humvee has been around for nearly as long.

              Maybe there is some updated electronics in the helicopters? And that could be worrisome, but for the most part this isn’t like the Chinese and Russians are going to see anything they have seen before.

              The real and obvious tragedy is the fact that even if it was a pile of old M1 Garands, the Taliban will be using it to cause trouble with their neighbors and oppress their own people.

              1. The night vision/thermal’d be annoying to face. Ditto having our radios and other communications gear getting deconstructed.

                The vehicles and aircraft aren’t going to be running for very long after this is over, given insh’Allah maintenance.

                The Javelins/Stingers/TOWs/Hellfires, OTOH…aren’t going to be fun at all, if they make it outside Central Asia. I doubt ‘The Beast’ can take multiple Javelin hits, and I don’t think the USSS’s ECM juju works on that guidance system. Or else the Army would already be using it.

                1. I wasn’t implying that everything was hunky-dory with the situation, just that we *hopefully* didn’t leave anything behind that would give any serious intel to China or Russia.

                  Were we really giving the cream-of-the-crop to the ANA? Based on what’s explicitly listed/referenced in this piece, it doesn’t sound like it, but I doubt this is an exhaustive list, so maybe we were… I could absolutely be wrong.

                  1. A lot of it, yes. They were getting the same stuff our troops carried. There is already reports that the Taliban has began transferring some of it to Pakistani, Chinese, Iranian and Russian intelligence. Lara Logan, who had reported from the region for decades and has sources within the Pakastani ISI, who is reporting this from here sources within the ISI.

        2. No, not at all true. A condition based withdrawal with the balls to follow through and, most importantly, under an admin that the Taliban fully believed WOULD follow through, would have made all of this entirely different. There was a great plan in place and Biden decided, for political reasons, not to follow that plan and this is the result. This isn’t complicated. The Taliban KNEW that Biden and the left did not have the appetite to retaliate so they took advantage.

      3. Bagram?

        We left shit. Quit blaming the Afghans and stop listening to Biden trying to weasel out.

      4. if the Afghan government somehow was able to fight off the Taliban.

        Which might* have still been possible if Biden hadn’t pulled the 2500 troops who were supposed to remain as a response force but also – and more importantly – as technical and logistical support for the Afghan military.

        *It’s equally likely they would still have folded like a cheap rug no matter what, but now we’ll never know.

        1. Ghani, president of Afghanistan, was talking about getting used to the Taliban running the country back in June.
          This eventuality was known to everyone involved.
          Would the Afghans have held out longer if the US kept providing air cover? Maybe, but it doesn’t matter because the Taliban would not have advanced so quickly and probably waited another month to take Kabul.
          Regardless, civilians and equipment should’ve been taken care of long ago.
          State, and/or the administration, has already admitted civilians and SIVs were told in June and July to wait to evacuate because it might make the Afghan government look bad.
          Idiotic reasoning on its face, and exponentially worse when you consider Ghani’s, and other Afghan officials’, statements in interviews.

  5. It was not inevitable we’d not have the bulk of the equipment and civilians out before pulling out the troops. What is happening now wasn’t inevitable, you liberal cock sucking jackass.

    1. It became inevitable when Biden nodded off. I mean got the nod. Now, he’d have kept track of it if it had been pudding.

      1. Just dress up all the remaining Americans in the area as 12 year old girls, Biden will be laser focused.

        1. Not sure that would help given the Taliban.

      2. And in the earliest morning hours of 11/4/2020, when the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud team in US history did their thing and selected a senile, corrupt career politician to be the 46th US president

      3. Operation Napghanistan

        1. meme this.

    2. Small minded name caller. What, are you 8 years old?

      1. Are you trying to say Biden did a good job?

        ‘Cause if you’re not carrying water, now’s a good fucking time to sling some well-deserved stones.

      2. Shut up faggot

  6. I blame the Deep State.

    1. It wasn’t Alex Jones that got us there.

    2. They deserve plenty of the blame.

    3. I blame TDS-addled pieces of shit like you.

    4. And the Jewish space lasers. It’s war. War doesn’t let anyone off cheap.

      Is anyone but me astounded that aircraft can still land and take off from the airport in Kabul?

      1. It is unlikely this is happening without the US paying the Taliban.

        1. We can’t even fuel the planes without paying the Taliban for it

        2. We have frozen most of the money the government stashed so that is the carrot part. Also we could still attack with bombs and drones so there is that.

    5. Agreed, if you mean the administrators and bureaucrats who believe that they are the ‘true’ government, and know better than mere proles what is best and must be done. What’s odd, you tend to argue in support of the same socioploitical viewpoints many of them share.

  7. This is one of those times when one can say that both the invasion AND the subsequent withdrawal contributed to literally arming the Taliban.

    Sure, if we never would have invaded we never would have left but that’s such a facile argument it doesn’t even bear mentioning.

    Only small minded people see this as an either/or situation.

    1. Boehm’s mind is so small her can only think one thought about Afghanistan: Biden do good.

    2. That is not the argument he was making. He is saying that had we never invaded and tried nation building, we would never have transferred all this gear to the Afghan government. And he is right.

      1. When you write an article, the first reaction to it shouldn’t be a long protracted ‘duhhhhh’ unless you’re writing for children.

        Since Biden was for the war before he was against it, one might simply note he’s culpable for both the initial invasion and even more responsible for the clumsy exit.

        Oh well, no one cares.

      2. Boehm is not right.
        Nothing that’s happened was unforeseeable or unforseen.
        Destroying equipment instead of handing it over to the Taliban using the Afghan government as middleman was always an option.
        Destroying equipment after it was handed over was an option, though not a particularly pleasant one.
        And stepping up efforts to remove equipment in the 8 months Biden’s been in office was an option.
        These options were all rejected in favor of funneling massive amounts of money, equipment, and intel to the Taliban through the Afghan military.

        1. “These options were all rejected in favor of funneling massive amounts of money, equipment, and intel to the Taliban through the Afghan military.”

          Yeah that is basically what the entire occupation was about- funneling trillions of dollars into the nation so that in the end it could be delivered right back to the Taliban.

          1. Yea, well that’s just how NoVA becomes Beverly Hills east.
            Eggs and omelets and all that…

            1. Isn’t it something like six of the ten wealthiest counties in America, per capita, are the ones bordering D.C.? It sure as fuck wasn’t that way, pre-2000.

              1. That’s one thing that gets missed about Trump’s ascendency and the rise of the TEA party, they were just as pissed at the Neo-Cons as they were at the progressives.

      3. If I never stood up I won’t trip! Boehm-level reasoning.

      4. And if those goddamn Wright Brothers hadn’t invented the airplane, there would be no airstrip in Afghanistan for the Taliban to seize.

        And if those treasonous bastards in Philadelphia hadn’t declared independence in 1776, there would be no American equipment in Afghanistan or anywhere else to be seized, either.

        See? It’s all Thomas Jefferson’s fault.

    3. And don’t forget the Mujahideen freedom fighters the US originally armed and trained long before this.

  8. Government is slow, bureaucratic, incompetent, and often corrupt.

    That is why thousands of guns and people were left behind in Afghanistan.
    That is why the ObamaCare website didn’t work at launch.
    That is why the VA put vets on waiting lists until they died instead of getting them treatment.
    That is why the pothole on your street has been that way for years before getting fixed (if ever).

    Isn’t that what the “deep state” was supposed to be? The slow grinding gears of government that serve mostly the bureaucrats who work there instead of the people and institutions they are intended to serve?

    ANY plan for leaving Afghanistan would have been disastrous in some way. There is no such thing as an efficient, well-executed government plan for anything. Maybe Biden’s plan was more disastrous than it could have been, it wouldn’t surprise me if that were the case. But to blame Biden specifically is to overlook the reality of government incompetence in general in favor of temporary political tribal narratives.

    1. Unsurprisingly, collectivistjeff goes with defense #3 to support Boehm’s use of defense #1

      1. Government is incompetent but if Team Red is in charge, it’s the Deep State’s fault despite Team Red’s best intentions.

        Government is incompetent but if Team Blue is in charge, it’s because Team Blue is just bumbling and/or malevolently evil.

        Got it.

        1. Yes, we understand you’re a shill for totalitarian leftism.
          You don’t have to keep proving it.
          Take a break.

        2. Reality is when you are handed a sh** sandwich that you have to eat, it’s going to be messy any way you manage to choke it down.

          They did what they did because they DIDN’T know how to manage it, thought the Afghanis would hold the line, believed they had more than 11 days to get out, didn’t think the Taliban was lying to them all along, and initially the U.S. went into the same basic conflict that both Russia and Europe conducted failed campaigns for as well. No one civilized can beat an army of barbarians who don’t care if they live or die and know they will be summarily shot along with their families if they DON’T fight.

          1. Is the administration even still claiming they thought the ANA would hold up?

      2. I knew he would cover for Biden. Next Ophelia will go with the ‘both sides’ bullshit, and pull Trump into the blame.

    2. No, the withdrawal was not destined to be this clusterfuck. What was destined to happen was that the Afghan army was going to fold like like a $10 chair sat in by a 500lb fat man.

      To that extent, Boehm is right on this point. The United States government spent 20 years building a nation out of whole cloth. That included transferring hundreds of billions of dollars worth of war material to the Afghan government. And this effort- to stand up a nation and fighting army- was so incompetent that the country couldn’t even survive long enough for us to exit.

      It is now an incontrovertible fact that the “Success Metrics” for the Nation Building in Afghanistan had nothing to do with their capabilities, and everything to do with how much money could be syphoned from the Federal budget into the pockets of contractors and weapons developers. The only reason we gifted all this modern technology to the Afghans was that Boeing, Lockheed-Martin and countless other manufacturers were getting fat cash for it.

      1. Side eye on Cheney and Halliburton. Sole source provider, my grannie’s fanny…

      2. “What was destined to happen was that the Afghan army was going to fold like like a $10 chair sat in by a 500lb fat man.”

        Good on you for picking a metaphor that fat tub of shit would understand.

        Knowing your audience is an important part of effective advocacy…

    3. In an alternative universe, it might be possible for non-interventionists to offer a real skillset here. To provide competence when it comes to withdrawing from places we have intervened. Because its obvious now that interventionists do not have that competence – and perhaps may even welcome incompetence at that so that it undermines the notion of ever withdrawing from anywhere.

      1. Did your mommy say that made sense?
        She lied.

    4. >>ANY plan for leaving Afghanistan would have been disastrous

      all sides!

      1. Yes I can come up with lots of better ways that this wouldn’t have ended in chaos. First you start falling back to your strongest period, Bagram AFB, while withdrawing at risk civilians and citizens, from outlying areas. You continue this consolidation of forces until all forces are at Bagram. Only after at risk personal and citizens are withdrawn, do you evacuate the Embassy. Once the embassy is withdrawn only then do you start drawing down forces, and you make sure your allies, including your NATO and Afghani allies, are aware you are drawing down Bagram (neither occurred). As you are drawing down forces you withdraw all sensitive equipment from Bagram or destroy it in place. During this whole time you have massive air support overhead.

        1. Oh and you carry out that plan in the winter and the spring before the fighting season starts.

          1. And I was just an E-4 combat support and I came up with that plan in about ten minutes.

            1. And I was just an E-4 combat support

              Which makes you exponentially more qualified than anyone in the current administration. Honestly.

              1. Yep. I predicted all of this months ago. Which is no great feat. Everything that is happening now is obvious. Except to a democrat.

              2. seriously.

          2. Here’s an article from politico in April re Biden overruling the Pentagon’s advocacy of keeping some forces in Afghanistan. Hard for me to figure out whether the Pentagon was pulling the same slow-walking with Trump – or who really screwed the evacuation plan up.

            But if this is happening in April, there was no doing this stuff over the winter.

            1. Given the success of Operation Warp Speed, I believe that Trump would have withdrawn more successfully than Biden’s Operation Napghanistan.

            2. They were doing it I April because Biden hadn’t made up his mind until April as to what he was going to do. They told him the same thing in January.

            3. And if he stuck to Trump’s plan, he would have been out on May 1st, but he paused the withdraw on January 20th and didn’t start it back up again until April 15th. He could have easily had it done by May if he gave it any sort of priority in January.

              1. How do you know what they said in January? Here’s an article from Oct where the Pentagon is pushing back on the drawdown below 4,000.

                I have no doubt Trump pushed hard to get to the 2500. Which happened. But I don’t see any indication that a move below that was anything but conditional on some ‘peace agreement’ between the Taliban and Afghan govt (which of course didn’t happen).

                1. Thanks for proving the point.

                  1. He’s as good at that as turd.

                  2. What point? That the plan was to put troops back into Afghanistan in Jan in order to pull out the civilians/Afghans who hadn’t yet been pulled out so that we could pull all the troops out again this time by May.

                    Doesn’t seem like a real plan to me.

                    1. It wouldn’t have taken more troops to get out civilians since the country hadn’t fallen to the Taliban. And proves the point there was a plan to get out by May 1st with getting the civilians out first that Biden ignored. And that Biden didn’t do anything about the plan given him on January 20th until April 15th and then decided to evacuate during the height of the fighting season because he waited to do anything until April.

                    2. Also that in October the Pentagon was pushing back against troop drawdowns, so they were pushing against them in January, the same as they pushed against them in April.

                    3. And proves the point there was a plan to get out by May 1st with getting the civilians out first that Biden ignored.

                      I don’t see where that follows from anything I linked to.

                      Also that in October the Pentagon was pushing back against troop drawdowns, so they were pushing against them in January, the same as they pushed against them in April.

                      I agree with that

                    4. The May 1st date was part of the deal trump made with the Taliban. It was always Trump’s target date.

                    5. And May 1 makes sense.
                      US gets all civilians, sensitive equipment, and troops out right as the fighting season begins. We’re gone, hands free of whatever happens next – because America first.
                      The Taliban, the Afghan government, and all the other factions then get a chance to have it out free of western interference. A winner emerges, or it’s bogged down in civil war, and it doesn’t much matter either way because we’re done with it.
                      Instead, Biden delays and strands thousands of Americans as de facto hostages.

                    6. Oh I see what you’re saying about May 1. My issue was not about that date but about getting civilians/allies out. I don’t see that there was ever any plan for that. Or even ever any thought about that. And that’s the problem we see today.

                      There’s only 3000 people who were even on the embassy’s notification email list – so there has never been any awareness of WHO is likely to want to exit or where they are. I’ve lived in places where evacuation was possible/likely/happened. Being on that list is as important as having an up to date passport and a scram bag. This is not a short-term failure but a complete decade+-long clusterfuck with every single person associated with everything in Afghanistan.

          3. Very well written.
            I agree with every word.
            Another option would have been to hold to Trumps’ agreement with the Taliban and withdraw in May as agreed.
            After all they were following their side of the agreement until Biden abrogated it by leaving in September

    5. Lick that Biden ass clean Bidette.

    6. “ANY plan for leaving Afghanistan would have been disastrous in some way.”
      jeff.
      Is.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

    7. Buck stops with him.

      Deflect all you want, but that albatross ain’t coming off his neck. Biden made the calls and fucked this thing properly, and all the horror that results will be his most visible legacy of incompetence and indifference.

      Uncle Joe’s heart is black as coal.

  9. The War in Afghanistan is like sex with an ugly woman. You go in because it seems right the time, eventually you realize it was a mistake and when you pull out, it’s a huge mess.

  10. Looks like Boehm is trying to get a better paying PR job with the Biden/Harris administration. Boehm cited no evidence to support his false unsubstantiated claims.

    The Big Guy flip flopped and just gave a speech on Afghanistan that sounded like a speech Trump would have given.

    1. His headline is a false dichotomy. The most likely explanation is that they got gear because we invaded *and* because we botched the withdrawal. I have trouble believing that seized the capitol and picked up 10,000 hostages but no caches of weapons.

    2. Despite receiving vaccines, Kamala Harris and Anthony Blinken wore masks as they stood behind the Big Guy, as he gave his speech.

      Biden has only asked his left wing allies in the media to ask him a question at the press conference.

      Seems like his handlers in the White House now realize that Biden’s (and his general’s) recent actions and statements have severely damaged Biden’s credibility and the nation’s honor.

      1. Despite receiving vaccines, Kamala Harris and Anthony Blinken wore masks as they stood behind the Big Guy, as he gave his speech.

        I thought the data was in, that vaccinated people were the super-spreaders now. Or did the CDC back away from that.

      2. Ask yourself what might have happened had TRUMP managed the withdrawal. Oh so much better or a complete debacle where no evacuation happened at all and they simply got thrown under the bus. Isn’t that the Trump solution for just about everything?

        1. Making up stories to make yourself feel better about your incompetence is just sad.

        2. Nobody knows how that would have played put including Trump himself. It would have taken a considerable botch to exceed the catastrophe and incompetence of what Biden has done.

          1. It’s difficult to imagine a scenario that qualifies as playing out worse

            1. I think Jimmy Carter would be doing a better job.

        3. Better than Biden’s? Yes, yes it would be.

          I mean, Biden’s raided Trump’s policy book (ineptly) since he took office. Slow Joe has yet to have a unique idea of his own.

        4. That’s a stupid strawman deflection. Trump isn’t responsible for this juguck, Biden is. And it has his fingerprints all over: bragging, bald-faced lies, incompetence, negligence, zero planning, deflection of blame, and unfortunately, resulting deaths.

        5. “Ask yourself what might have happened had TRUMP managed the withdrawal. Oh so much better or a complete debacle where no evacuation happened at all and they simply got thrown under the bus. Isn’t that the Trump solution for just about everything?”

          As a TDS-addled piece of shit, you might ask yourself for some brains or at least to find out some information before you make an asshole of yourself in public:
          “I’m intimately familiar with former President Donald Trump’s Afghanistan strategy. In November 2020, I was named chief of staff at the Pentagon, where one of my primary responsibilities was to wind down the forever war in Afghanistan…”
          https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

        6. Trump had made an agreement with the Taliban to withdraw in May.
          It was conditioned on them not attacking us in the interim.
          The Taliban had been holding to that agreement, as no US soldiers died from enemy action until trump left office.
          If Biden had just continued with the agreement and left in May, we could’ve gotten all our troops and civilians out without the Taliban attacking us.
          Instead he changed the date of the withdrawal to September.
          The Taliban declared the agreement null void because of this action and attacked the capital.

    3. The Big Guy flip flopped and just gave a speech on Afghanistan that sounded like a speech Trump would have given.

      I haven’t seen the speech, but this makes it sounds like he’s returning to the longstanding US tradition in Afghanistan that he helped kick off by doubling down on his failure.

      1. Just wait until they have to re-take Bagram.

        1. He isn’t smart enough to understand the strategic and tactical advantage retaking Bagram or would be. Besides, as he keeps our troops bottled up, with the minimal number necessary (maybe even not the minimal number necessary) to control the airport, he lacks the will. Bagram could easily have been held by 6500 troops (and in fact far less) but Karzai international lacks the fortified perimeter, is located in a bowl and is surrounded by urban areas, making it far harder to secure.

  11. That list is just the weapon’s, vehicles and equipement documented by the Military, the ones stolen, abandoned of secretly given an ally at the moment are not accounted for. Thanks for the article and yes not starting wars is the best way to not loose them.

  12. That was more wrong than my prediction. And that’s saying something.

    1. Cool story bro. When did they break into the Fan Fiction genre?

      1. 2008.

        1. Sorry, the correct response was “that’s not the question you were supposed to ask.”

        2. lol word

      2. Yes yes, any article that does not conclude BIDEN DELIVERED WEAPONS TO THE TALIBAN BECAUSE HE IS PRO TERRORIST must be fake news

        1. Collectivistjeff appears troubled

          1. jeff’s not smart enough to be troubled; jeff’s a fucking lefty ignoramus.

            1. Maybe not troubled, but I’d call him ‘challenged’.

            2. Tough one: Jeff more intellectually challenged than Biden?

        2. Water getting a little heavy to carry these days?

        3. You go Fatty! Carry that water for your senile master Biden!

  13. While it’s only natural to become depressed and critical in these topsy turvy times, we are fortunate to have a leader in President Joe Biden whose humility is exactly what the American people need right now. As reported right here at the most celebrated libertarian publication in the known universe, his powerful words will inevitably bring together all disparate factions into a unified force for good. No longer will we dream of the day that brand new expansive tollways will take us to exotic new locations. No longer will sex workers toil away in obscurity without fully funded pension plans. We will finally rid ourselves of southern governors who seek to deprive experts of the ability to protect kindergartners from diseases they will never get. The horrible nightmare of January sixth will give way to a brave new world wherein the perpetrators and their millions of sympathizers will joyfully enter libertarian enlightenment facilities where they will see clearly the beautiful libertarian future that awaits them.
    Some may doubt that a single man can possibly usher in the libertarian moment that we have dreamed of for so long. But as we are reminded of on a daily basis here at Reason, we can rely on Joe’s strength and humility to guide us. And if it looks like he’s a fuckup it’s Trump’s fault.

    1. That’s GOOD!

  14. We’re missing the upshot here: maybe Biden has reconsidered his stance on civilians owning military-style equipment.

  15. good lord your lenses are opaque. alive people are there and your dreamy president is leaving them to fry. what else matters right now?

    1. Trump made us leave them because January 6th.

      1. when I can counter a buddy with “one of us was alive the last time (D) caused a hostage situation in the Middle East” it’s ludicrously tragic *and* tragically ludicrous.

        1. And once again we find a (D) president asking a fundamentalist I Islamic cult to be nice.

          Fun fact – I worked with a guy who was part of the Navy component of the failed rescue mission.

          1. In 1979 or 2016?

            1. 79

          2. *is* fun fact.

        2. You mean 5 years ago, when the Iranians captured those US navy sailors?

          1. Valerie Jarrett said that didn’t happen.

            1. That would be an indicator that it did, indeed occur.

  16. Yet again, this is an absurd take. Yes, the military can get weapons out of a country–that is, if it actually planned ahead.

    Again, barely anybody here disagrees with the notion that we shouldn’t have really been occupying Afghanistan to begin with and should have been getting out ASAP. The problem, you see, is that regardless of what happened before, our commander in chief did the “right thing” in the most “wrong way” imaginable and seems to be baffled at the reality he now faces that everyone warned him would result. His utter incompetence (not to mention conspicuous absence) during this time of crisis is THE PROBLEM. And I don’t see why it is so hard for Reason to acknowledge that.

    1. His utter incompetence (not to mention conspicuous absence)

      On the plus side, I feel much, much better about the time I called in sick when I was really at a ball game and things were only figuratively exploding at work.

      1. Hope you were smart enough to use sunscreen.

    2. >>And I don’t see why it is so hard for Reason to acknowledge that.

      entire stable of authors sucking it up and admitting they were incorrect is a unicorn’s unicorn.

      1. It’s a load of bull alright.

    3. “…our commander in chief […] seems to be baffled…”

      Yes.

    4. Progressive unReason authors can’t kick the flavor of Biden’s bung after being so far up his ass brown-nosing the whole election.

      You can’t blame the dears. It’s the new normal.

    5. Boehm specializes in the absurdly fallacious take, apparently.

    6. our commander in chief did the “right thing” in the most “wrong way” imaginable

      Yeah, but he meant well and that’s all that really matters…

    7. I will not comment on Biden’s competence level as I do not have a high opinion of him. However, the degree of hate is hilarious here in this thread. Whatever Biden mismanaged is a footnote of the tragic waste of resources and the amount of bungling that went on in the 20 year misadventure of the US in Afghanistan. The main anger should be directed at all the politicians for failing to stop the waste of money and other resources over 20 years to a wasted cause. The only mission should have been to take out Osama Bin Laden and his guys to teach them a lesson not eff with us. Destroy as much as possible in the taliban camp and just leave the country.

      The bungling that went on in supporting idiots like Karzai and others is a much bigger mistake than what went on in this evacuation.

      1. #3 being utilized here.

        What is happening right now is the most humiliating spectacle in US history. It will have dire consequences for the US and the world.
        That is the proper focus. It is not a footnote, it is a huge ficking world event.
        If you can’t see that, and just want to circle jerk about Afghanistan war bad, it just shows that you’re an extremely shallow thinker whose opinion, even when it happens to be correct, doesn’t contribute and need not be considered.

  17. Maybe the gear was intentionally left behind, because we want them better armed against the next big country that decides to invade?

    1. After all, it worked for Russia…

      Assuming this was sarcasm though, and if so it’s pretty funny.

    2. Maybe the gear was intentionally left behind, because we want them better armed against the next big country that decides to invade?

      Which will most likely be the US again. But since we know all their tactics (having trained them) and their weaponry (having put it there) we’ll have the advantage! Or something…

  18. Our military got their weapons out. The Taliban captured Afghan army gear. Jesus man.

    1. Afghan gear as in owned by the Afghans? As in paid for in full by the Afghans?

      You’d get shot with your own gun and apologize for getting in the way of their bullets. What a fucking chump.

      1. Afghanistan sent people to the Olympics. They were a country with representation in the United Nation. Yes, we, well more specifically the govt purchased weapons from corporations here in America and then gave those weapons to another govt.

        It’s not about “leaving shit behind”. It’s about whether it was wise to build up an army in a Muslim country.

        1. The phrase “Table 1: Quantities of Key U.S.-Funded Equipment for the Afghan National Defense and Security Forces” sounds familiar. Where have I read that phrase before?

          Whether it was wise to build up an army in a Muslim country or not, it was unwise to leave weapons in a position that was being overrun.

          You’re an even bigger chump than I imagined. You’d get shot with your own gun by a guy who’s been threatening you for years while the chump who owed you money and was supposed to cover your getaway utterly folded and you’d apologize to both the shooter *and* the deadbeat chump who failed you.

        2. “Afghanistan sent people to the Olympics…”

          Therefore, we should have left that arsenal there!
          Lord of Shit finds that a compelling argument!

        3. Much can be said about building up armies in Christian countries as well

          1. Indeed. Washington and Jefferson both warned against the creation of large standing armies and the mischief that can be caused by ill informed and misguided foreign policy wonks.

    2. No… You missed the bases full of arms, ammo and vehicles that were raided when your fearless hair-sniffer-in-chief ordered an uncoordinated midnight pullout.

      Actually, you probably know, but are full of shit as usual.

  19. https://twitter.com/AndrewDesiderio/status/1428796629872746501?t=yOyNqYabwwprqfYlEZJbVg&s=19

    NEW: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in a briefing call with House lawmakers just now said Americans have been beaten by the Taliban in Kabul, according to multiple people on the call. Austin called it “unacceptable.”

    This statement alone from Austin contradicts a lot of what Biden just said at the White House about Americans not having a hard time getting to Hamid Karzai International Airport in Kabul.

    Pentagon Press Sec John Kirby addressed this just now, per @laraseligman:

    “We’ve communicated to the Taliban that that is absolutely unacceptable and we want free passage through these checkpoints for documented Americans. … By and large, that’s happening.”

    Austin’s full quote on Taliban beatings during the House briefing, relayed to us by multiple sources:

    “We’re also aware that some ppl including Americans have been harassed & even beaten by the Taliban. This is unacceptable & [we] made it clear to the designated Taliban leader.”

    1. strongly. worded. letter.

      1. “this is not how polite society behaves”

        1. dudes just sniff the hair. no need to take the heads.

      2. I suddenly have a new appreciation for the phrase “paper tiger”.

    2. NEW: Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin in a briefing call with House lawmakers just now said Americans have been beaten by the Taliban in Kabul, according to multiple people on the call. Austin called it “unacceptable.”

      So when is he resigning?

      1. No mean tweets so he can keep his position.

  20. Meanwhile, your bank spies on you for the government to make sure your tiny sums aren’t being laundered for terrorists.

    Assholes.

  21. The DNC could have written this point of view. There is nothing wrong with expecting the withdrawal to be done in a way were we remove our people and our military hardware.

    1. Do we wait to remove the people until we’ve gone up to every Taliban and nicely asked for our hardware back?

      1. You don’t abandon the hardware. You get the civilians out months before the country collapses. And it was going to collapse. The intelligence said this. And you don’t give the people that you know are largely not going to fight back the best hardware that you don’t want falling into the hands of a horrible regime or into the hands of adversaries like China and Russia. You come up with a plan for the Afghani allies long before the Taliban takes Kabul. And you communicate these plans regularly with your international allies. You also don’t abandon Bagram airbase until the last troops are gone well after the equipment and civilians have been evacuated. Short of giving the Taliban nukes or surrendering, Biden could not have fucked this up any worse.

        1. “You don’t abandon the hardware. ”

          The hardware is useless. It wasn’t good enough to defeat the Taliban, same could be said for the Afghan allies. Afghan, by the way, afghani is a currency ie money.

          “Biden could not have fucked this up any worse.”

          He could have left troops there as he left office. Like Bush, Obama or Trump.

          1. “He could have left troops there as he left office. Like Bush, Obama or Trump.”

            Hey, asshole! Read this!:
            “I’m intimately familiar with former President Donald Trump’s Afghanistan strategy. In November 2020, I was named chief of staff at the Pentagon, where one of my primary responsibilities was to wind down the forever war in Afghanistan.”
            https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

            And everybody else? Read this:
            mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
            “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

          2. He could have left troops there as he left office.

            Still not clear that he’s not going to leave troops there as he’s shown the door.

            1. I hope he completes the withdrawal, but I take your point.

        2. But it was Trump’s idea, and he was in charge at the time.

      2. Oh! Tony’s here to add yet more lefty excuses!
        Hey, shitstain, ask your fave, droolin’ Joe!

        1. The funny thing is someone like you would not dare say such stuff to another person’s face in real life. But armed with a keyboard, you become brave all of a sudden to say whatever you want about whoever disagrees with you.

          1. Just because you would not does not mean the same is true for others

  22. Let me see if I can do you one better Boehm:

    “The Taliban Got Their Hands on American Military Gear Because We Withdrew From The British Empire, Not Because We Withdrew From Afghanistan”

    How’d I do?

    1. Your logic is as compelling as Boehm’s.

      1. But I’ll make clear the subtext Boehm left out:

        “Biden’s total failure as CIC had nothing to do with it! Really!”
        “Really, really”
        “I’m serious”
        “Dammit!!!”

        1. I’m waiting for Boehm and Sullum to write the authoritative “All Trump’s Fault” history of America.

    2. “The Taliban Got Their Hands on American Military Gear Because We Withdrew From The British Empire, Not Because We Withdrew From Afghanistan”

      And the British Empire withdrew from Afghanistan in 1842. If Queen Victoria had only kept a small force there…

  23. Somewhat without reason wrote this. The military has a long history of destroying military equipment so it doesn’t fall into enemy hands. It’s not that difficult.

    1. Not worth the time effort or expense. The equipment is junk anyway.

      1. Fuck off, asshole.

  24. Yup. I always lose my keys at someone else’s place because I brought ’em. It never has anything to do with the fact that I was drunk and incompetent to pull myself out of the situation in a proper fashion.

    You can lose something somewhere because you are too stupid to execute your departure properly. Does Eric Bum not know this? I think he just likes to troll the commenters.

  25. A lot of American equipment, armaments and MONEY was given to the Afghaistan government in the 20 years. Who were the Presidents/VPs in the years shown on the in bedded chart? Bush/Cheney and Obama/Biden!

    That doesn’t mean the U.S. when choosing to abandon the fight, with our tails between our legs, we shouldn’t have even ATTEMPTED to destroy as much as possible.

    The author tries to make a meaningless case! The fact is the Obama/Biden capitulation and withdrawal and the Biden/Harris extraordinarily HASTY, INCOMPETENT, POORLY (or non-existant) PLANNED EXIT was a DISASTER of the HIGHEST ORDER, but they probably found time to post signs indicating where the keys were!

  26. Macron said today France should not take refugees that could lead to security problems. This is code for they don’t want any.

    There was a standoff at the Polish-Belarusian border over refugees in Belarus trying to cross into Poland.

    Greece has said no.

    Austria is deporting its Afghanis.

    1. Did you see the State Department briefing today where the poor spokesman had to tapdance around why we are just now negotiating with other countries to take refugees after Qatar said they were full?

      1. Watching anyone from the Biden administration is like seeing a middle school student government association.

        1. And few among ‘the media’ are willing to make that call. Embarrassing.

  27. Unreason magazine.

  28. This after entire gaggle fuck had been reactive instead of proactive. We have no tactical momentum, Taliban has all the tactical momentum. You end up on a bad place when your opponent has all the tactical momentum.

    1. Tactically speaking this is now a siege.

  29. Get real.
    We had to invade Afghanistan. The Taliban was integral to planning the 9/11 attacks. OK, everybody, who remembers the 9/11 attacks? I do. So we went in and made it clear of what the consequences are of attacking America.

    And then we turned Afghanistan over to the politicians. Predictable results.

    But we did not have to leave our military equipment readily available to the the Taliban. That was pure stupidity. We could have withdrawn in a much more orderly manner, talking our equipment with us, or destroying it as necessary. But the idiots in DC actually thought the Afghan government and its military would provide a strong presence against the Taliban. I knew they wouldn’t. You knew they wouldn’t. Anybody with half a brain new they wouldn’t. But the idiots in DC didn’t know they wouldn’t.

  30. Another thing from today’s briefings I saw was they kept saying Americans and Afghanis need to visit the State Department website and fill out forms so they can be rescued. Then they are supposed to wait on an email response before going to the airport. No one has asked how secure or dependable the internet access is in Afghanistan.
    I’ve watched lots of interviews from Afghanistan this week, using cell service, where the feed locked up or were dropped or lagged terribly. Doesn’t make me confident that our citizens can depend on emails to get out, especially those outside Kabul.

  31. Fuck all this shit. I was a teen when they abandoned Saigon. I can hardly believe that I’m seeing this again, and no one is threatening the government. Putin is laughing his ass off in his penny-ante little doomed country, which will be empty in a few decades because no one who lives there wants to inflict life there on their children. Xi isn’t laughing, but he’s calculating. Fuck all of them. Bring all troops back to the continental United States, and if any country takes it upon itself to attack our legitimate interests and kill our people, then wipe them out. Napalm them, destroy their crops, their roads and bridges, everything of value. If there’s no other way to accomplish that, nuke them. If any want to speak of innocents, then let it be known that anyone who tolerates anti-American violence will suffer with the guilty. Put the onus on others to police their own people and root out bad actors. If they will not, then we will erase them, every last one.

  32. Isolationists are popping off all over the Internet. This Eric Boehm character argues that (a) our going into Afghanistan and (b) the Taliban acquiring our hardware are both one and the same — and then, he offers not a single scenario in which the Taliban acquire those arms without us leaving the country. (Which of our hardware did the Taliban acquire during the twenty years we were training and supporting the Afghan military? Let’s see a list.)

    We have to hear this crap, now. Dyed-in-the-wool libertarian conclusions in search of facts.

    1. It’s 99% the problem of going into Afghanistan at all. 3000 Americans would still be alive if we hadn’t. Fuck the guns how about all those unnecessary lives?

    2. Did you have a point other than whining? If so, it isn’t obvious. Perhaps you’re embarrassed by it?

  33. If I own an M249 light machine gun, Biden’s federal government will come to my house, arrest me and jail me for a decade. And Biden just left thousands of them for a government that has aided terrorism and we fought against for twenty years.

    1. Biden didn’t leave our weapons there. We gave the weapons to the Afghan army who gave them up. Remember? We were helping the afghan army become self sufficient. Then they all gave up within a week.

      Don’t be a dipshit and post stupid things like that.

      1. Are you strudel?
        You post with the same self-assured stupidity it does, and make the exact same kind of moronic claims.

    2. Biden just made a huge move against American gun owners.
      He just banned the import of ammunition from Russia by executive order.
      So 40% of the American ammunition supply just disappeared
      So your machine gun is going to cost a lot more to feed.

  34. This happens all the time. Derk Bodde (an American professor who was a witness to the Communist takeover in China), describing the PLA victory parade in Beijing in 1949 said “what made it especially memorable to Americans was the fact that it was primarily a display of *American* military equipment, virtually all of it captured or obtained by bribe from Kuomintang forces in the short space of two and one half years.” https://archive.org/stream/pekingdiaryayear009614mbp#page/n133/mode/2up

    1. Your “all the time” refers to a date70 years in the past.

    2. During the Chosin offensive at the start of the Korean War, American forces recovered numerous US weapons off of Chinese troops, including M1929 Thompson Submachine Guns, BARs and US grenades.

      1. It should also be noted that the OSS also sent arms to Mao’s forces during WWII to help them combat the Japanese. Additionally, through lend lease we sent tons of equipment to the Soviets, who passed this equipment onto their Chinese allies after the war.

  35. Folks, claptrap linked to this up-thread, but it needs repeating:

    “…In November 2020, I was named chief of staff at the Pentagon, where one of my primary responsibilities was to wind down the forever war in Afghanistan.
    Trump instructed me to arrange a conditions-based, methodical exit plan that would preserve the national interest.
    […]
    When all those conditions were met — along with other cascading conditions — then a withdrawal could, and did, begin.
    We successfully executed this plan until Jan. 20, 2021. During this interval — when there were no US casualties in Afghanistan —
    […]
    We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested.
    Everything changed when the new commander in chief declared that US forces would leave Afghanistan by Sept. 11, 2021,..”
    https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

    We HAD a plan, arranged and negotiated by the best POTUS we’ve had in the last century.
    TDS-addled assholes somehow decided he was a bigger asshole than they are, so now we got a POTUS not really competent to speak a coherent sentence and stupid enough to throw out a functioning plan. And seemingly not competent to arrive at a new plan; he winged it!
    It’s almost like he ‘planned’ to fuck it up entirely! And succeeded.

    1. Nothing that came out of the Trump regime was worth using, they did the right thing by ignoring it. It was all garbage

  36. Since WWII, the US has armed – by design or farce – every faction from Algerian frontier to Burma in Middle East with exception of Syria. We are working on that presently.

    1. Generally with Eastern Bloc equipment though, because Eastern Bloc equipment was designed to be used by poorly educated troops whereas NATO equipment is far more technical and designed to be used by an educated force. Take the AK platform vs the M16 platform. The AK is damn near indestructible and I could teach you to fire one and care for it in about an hour. A US soldier learning to use the M16 platform takes three weeks in basic.

      1. Can’t put my finger on it, but there is a book which defines the design and use of weaponry by culture; the US favors long-range, accurate weapons, figuring accurate shooting favors the shooter.
        By comparison, the USSR, in particular, is more than happy with guns used at close quarters, assuming and allowing for great loss of life.
        It’s credited to General Simpson: “Never send a GI where you can send an artillery shell”.

        1. US doctrine has been, for over a century, for infantry to make contact with infantry and then rely on artillery and air support to dominate the enemy. Ever since the Revolution, the US has excelled at artillery , it’s been our strongest asset until the invent of the airplane, and since after WW1, our second strongest asset. By the end of the Revolution American artillery was considered more effective then British artillery. German soldiers stated that one of the most demoralizing things about American troops in WWII was how easy they could call in accurate artillery and how we never seemed to run out of ammunition.

          1. Thinking about AKs, one realizes the US has cranked out a lot of worldwide armament ‘legends’ in past hundred years. The M19A11, the M2, the towed 105mm, they’ve all been around for near a century or more and have done unspeakables on the locals on every continent by the million in that (vast in human scale) timeframe.

            M113 and M48/60 chassis derivatives will still be running down protesters in hellholes a hundred years after they were built at current rate. They are quite reliable and relatively easy to maintain.

            We have been a naughty, naughty bunch when you add it all up.

            1. Got a hint for you: State your point instead of whining. Or STFU. Either works.

        2. This ‘long range’ tactic, especially perceived control by air or artillery, only denies the adversary forces, it doesn’t control the ground. It’s been observed, written about, and I can attest to the fact, when an area is not under fire, those forces are active. There is no control except by actually being on the ground. Additionally, I found the AK47 to be accurate at ranges out to 400ish meters -maybe more, but I didn’t have time to work with the rifles as it wasn’t my focus. They are rugged and dependable, as SM76 describes.

          1. Yes you need infantry, if for nothing else, as scouts for your artillery and air power.

  37. Reason abuses logic to fabricate a ridiculous interpretation. Some of the worst conjured scenarios. When it all comes back to free drug use, you know you are dealing with fork-tongued devils. Go back to your Mom’s basement.

    1. “…When it all comes back to free drug use, you know you are dealing with fork-tongued devils…”

      Tin foil hats, blue-light special, aisle #6. Make sure the shiny side is out.

  38. LOL

    https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet-united-states-imposes-additional-costs-on-russia-for-the-poisoning-of-aleksey-navalny/

    @zerosum24
    BREAKING – Biden just imposed restrictions (banned) on the permanent imports of certain Russian firearms and ammo over Alexey Navalny.

    1. You might want to change that headline to “Biden makes major move against American gun owners”
      40% of all ammunition in the United States suddenly blocked from import.
      Russia makes up for the loss with profits from pipeline to Germany
      New Democrat gun owners recently bought their first gone hardest hit

    1. “…Biden then picked up a piece of toast and pointed it at the TV. “Darn thing doesn’t work!”…”

      Colbert and the other late-night lefty shits should have such writers, but then they’d be funny.

  39. “…”I cannot promise what the final outcome will be or that it will be without risk of loss, but as commander in chief I will mobilize every resource necessary” to get Americans out safely, the president added…”
    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-stays-the-course-on-afghanistan-as-criticism-mounts-of-chaotic-evacuation/ar-AANyncL?ocid=uxbndlbing

    Except, that is, having some sort of plan in mind so we didn’t end up in this colossal disaster.

  40. Seems the normal population of lefty shits have left the field for now; Tony? turd? Lord of Shit? Queen asshole? Asshole bigot? None to be found!
    The fucking idiot M4e’s still shows up now and then, attempting some sort of ‘Biden didn’t do and and it wasn’t bad, and he won’t do it again’; the rest seem to have accepted that the current lot of lefty excuses ain’t getting any salutes going up the flag pole.
    Probably have to wait until tomorrow before some new steaming pile of lefty shit tries to deflect the gross assholery from from droolin’ Joe.
    Perhaps “the devil made him do it”?

    1. I was thinking that now that the fedgov is really slipping toward a single-party authoritarian collectivist’s wet dream, they’d be here all the time. But, I suppose, being paid shills, their money is better earned elsewhere. The few who pretend at respecting civil liberties seem to be hiding as well, one suspects, perhaps, for the same reason. Civil liberties and rights are going out of fashion as equity and bs stories like this are coming in.

  41. Incredible article, entirely devoid of any actual reasoning.

    Really, how much are they paying for you guys to run with this BS? You actually expect people to believe this shit?

    It was an inevitable fuckup, so don’t blame the guy who fucked up, amirite? Gogo Team Blue!

  42. Both, yes they would not have gotten the military gear if we had not entered the country, but leaving the way we did is the real reason they have the military gear. Reason will print anything to protect Biden. I have to wonder why?

    1. @liberty lover; Ding ding ding ding ding! Winner.

  43. “The Taliban Got Their Hands on American Military Gear Because We Invaded Afghanistan, Not Because We Withdrew”

    Bullshit.
    They got their hands on your weapons – which will be used to kill the people who helped you people with – because you ran away without thinking of those you’re responsible for – and who trusted you – like some cowardly, yelping dog.
    Pathetic.

    1. Reason supported Biden, and can’t admit that was a mistake. It makes Reason as bad as the lying politicians, maybe worse, because there job is to expose the government ineptness and corruption, not make excuses for it or cover it up.

      1. Yeah, what the hell has happened to reason? I come to the comments now for any semblance of informative discussion and sanity in print.

  44. You need to give Biden some credit for actually getting us out of the Afghanistan war (assuming that we really do).

    Still Biden delaying the withdrawal was purely political and he should be slammed for choosing politics over an orderly withdrawal. Not that I expected the withdrawal that Trump planned, but Biden delaying and discounting the Trump because it was the Trump plan is wrong.

    The time of withdrawal would have been better if it happened earlier. Civilians should have been removed months in advance of the withdrawal. Biden should also be slammed for his lack of a plan and blowing BS when it was evident that the puppet government would fold and be effectively folded back into the Taliban.

    With the presence of so much military equipment in Afghanistan it is only expected that a lot of it would fall into Taliban hands. This is true of other locations and times. Biden can we slammed with lack of a plan, but he is in a lot of company on this aspect.

    I understand the sentiment of going after the Taliban immediately after 9/11, but do not understand how it was allowed to go on after the first year or two. We should have declared victory and left after 2 years. If the Taliban resumed control and harbored attacks against the US again, then we could have simply pounded them into the sand again.

    Limited goals that are achievable and only when we are attacked. The US has been in a constant state of war and while I’m not an isolationist, we do need to stop sticking our noses into everyones business.

    1. “You need to give Biden some credit for actually getting us out of the Afghanistan war (assuming that we really do).”

      Ok.
      I credit Biden for doing so.
      Now you, and others, need to realize a very unfortunate fact: withdrawing the way we are doing so (aka the reality of the situation) is probably worse than if we’d not withdrawn at all.
      That is, it’s going to create more violence and chaos around the world because American credibility has been thoroughly destroyed in the most spectacular fashion possible.
      I know you peacenicks are annoyed that people are focusing on the fuckup instead of just basking in the shallow glow of ending the occupation, but there are consequences to incompetently accomplishing your goal.
      Again: Joe got us home but he crashed through the living room. Is that preferable to getting home later?
      If you think it is, that withdrawal is all that matters no matter how it was executed, than just wait a few months or years to see what happens.

      1. By the way: bin laden cited the retreat from Somalia after the battle of Mogadishu as his impetus to ramp up attacks on the US.
        Does that mean we should stay in Afghanistan now? Not necessarily, but we do have to consider the message of weakness and incompetence we’ve sent and how it’s like blood in the water to sharks.

        1. Exactly. Whether we like it or not the US will be involved militarily in the future and we we have allies, need friends and trust, need to be taken seriously by the enemy….and we just put all that capital in the shredder.

          1. Weakness, even just the appearance of weakness, isn’t conducive to peace; it courts aggression and violence.

            1. It’s art of war 101:
              Appear strong when you are weak (because you don’t want to fight).
              Appear weak when you are strong (because you’re welcoming a fight).

    2. :You need to give Biden some credit for actually getting us out of the Afghanistan war (assuming that we really do)…”

      Why?
      First, he hasn’t done so.
      Secondly, the withdrawal was already planned, as a withdrawal, not an ass-kicking.
      So here’s the credit Biden gets: He threw away a functioning plan and turned it into a colossal fuck up. Yea!

  45. Fear and revenge gripped the USA ( and the West) post 9/11. Obviously. That mindset enabled a protracted and intensified Afghan invasion. It’s akin to the now-endless Covid counterattacks: masks and vaccines forever while approaching diminishing returns.

    But none of that, or lost weapons, matters. We can regain our senses and replace our guns. What matters is our citizens being stranded, desperate, in serious danger and, likely, facing death.

    Biden actually believes the Taliban is playing Praetorian Guard to US citizens for safe travel to the encircled airport.

    “ C’mon man.”

    Uh huh. So then why isn’t every citizen already out? Are they relaxing and sunbathing? Maybe mountain climbing? They’re in deep shit, everyone knows it, and Biden put them there. He should resign, yesterday.

  46. The equipment was given to the sham Afghan army over the years. We didn’t just leave it there. The mistake was thinking we could build a national government and military. It was evident from the start that it was impossible and that there was no way to eliminate an indigenous insurgency.

    It really was a huge mistake not to evacuate all civilians in an orderly manner starting months ago. That is inexcusable.

    1. We had a POTUS who was doing a very good job of that, and offered his in-place and functioning plan to Biden during the transition.
      Biden (or his handlers) ignored it.
      You sort of left that out.

  47. “Republicrats Need To Face It: Trump Wasn’t The Brightest ????In The Chandelier; But, Biden Is 10x Worse”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-official-larry-kudlow-says-former-president-made-inexcusable-mistake-on-afghanistan/

  48. “Republicrats Need To Face It: Trump Wasn’t The Brightest Bulb In The Chandelier; But, Biden Is 10x Worse”

    https://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-official-larry-kudlow-says-former-president-made-inexcusable-mistake-on-afghanistan/

    1. “…Fox Business Network host Larry Kudlow agreed with his guest’s assessment that it was a mistake for the Trump administration to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners and pledge to pull American forces out of the country without a contingency plan…”

      Well, there seems to be a problem there:
      “…Trump instructed me to arrange a conditions-based, methodical exit plan that would preserve the national interest. The plan ended up being fairly simple: The Afghan government and the Taliban were both told they would face the full force of the US military if they caused any harm to Americans or American interests in Afghanistan.
      […]
      We successfully executed this plan until Jan. 20, 2021. During this interval — when there were no US casualties in Afghanistan — President Ashraf Ghani and the Taliban conducted multiple rounds of negotiations, and al Qaeda was sidelined. The result was a successful drawdown of US forces in Afghanistan to 2,500, the lowest count since the dawn of the War on Terror.
      see also
      Former Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller claimed that the Trump administration never intended to completely pull of out Afghanistan.
      Ex-Trump official Chris Miller says Taliban deal was a ‘play’ never intended to pull troops
      We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested…”
      https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

      Perhaps Kulow is fantasizing that Trump could have had a contingency in hand which even a dedicated fuck up like droolin’ Joe couldn’t screw it up?
      Well, he did; get relected. But TDS addled adolecent assholes decided a demented piece of shit like Joe was preferable.

      1. Edited
        “…Fox Business Network host Larry Kudlow agreed with his guest’s assessment that it was a mistake for the Trump administration to release 5,000 Taliban prisoners and pledge to pull American forces out of the country without a contingency plan…”

        Well, there seems to be a problem there:
        “…Trump instructed me to arrange a conditions-based, methodical exit plan that would preserve the national interest. The plan ended up being fairly simple: The Afghan government and the Taliban were both told they would face the full force of the US military if they caused any harm to Americans or American interests in Afghanistan.
        […]
        We successfully executed this plan until Jan. 20, 2021. During this interval — when there were no US casualties in Afghanistan — President Ashraf Ghani and the Taliban conducted multiple rounds of negotiations, and al Qaeda was sidelined. The result was a successful drawdown of US forces in Afghanistan to 2,500, the lowest count since the dawn of the War on Terror.

        [ this is a further link where un-supported verbal claims are made:
        “see also
        XXXXXXXX” ]

        We handed our entire plan to the incoming Biden administration during the lengthy transition. The new team simply wasn’t interested…”
        https://nypost.com/2021/08/19/i-ran-trumps-afghan-withdrawal-bidens-attempt-to-blame-us-is-sad/

        Perhaps Kulow is fantasizing that Trump could have had a contingency in hand which even a dedicated fuck up like droolin’ Joe couldn’t screw it up?
        Well, he did; get relected. But TDS addled adolecent assholes decided a demented piece of shit like Joe was preferable.

  49. https://twitter.com/TimMurtaugh/status/1428907179424329735?t=jYxyneVAiUmGzqY9Pj6yVw&s=19

    My God.

    Biden’s State Department emailed a generic visa to thousands in Afghanistan. Of course, people quickly made copies.

    “You have tens of thousands of Afghans who now have this kind of ridiculous, bogus document that the State Department created.”
    [Link]

    1. https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1428837357936054280?t=7SafLeZMIHFGZw-u9NJ6mg&s=19

      ABC BURIES THE LEDE—The State Department sent out BLANK US visas, which were printed and filled out by just about everyone in Kabul, including the Taliban. They’re flooding the country on purpose—and, like the southern border, they don’t want to know who’s here. [Links]

  50. Boehm, is it now the Reason ‘libertarian’ stance to argue that ‘we’ dictate the actions of other governments, and to the point that we also engage in ridiculous ‘if we weren’t there’ it wouldn’t have happened’ guilt-laying scenarios?The former has no ties to a libertarianish foreign policy stance I can recognize, the latter seems like a typical adolescent fantasy, or a short trip into victim-blaming. To be clearer, the Afghans have agency, and make their own decisions. When the Biden Administration opted to withdraw air support, I suspect mot of the ANA and ANP, and the Afghan government thought that discretion was the better part of valor, and thus the weapons and equipment they had are or will largely be in the Talibans hands. The issue you gloss over, which is interesting, is the US equipment that was actually abandoned. Aircraft, drones, et cetera. A list of this equipment, and the location exists. And a rationale for it not being destroyed -I can assure you, military equipment is destroyed rather than fall into the hands of potential enemies, so there is a reason that this equipment was not destroyed.

    1. “so there is a reason that this equipment was not destroyed”

      The time, effort and expense necessary for their destruction wasn’t worth it. The equipment was essentially junk all along. If 20 years of failure to defeat the Taliban doesn’t make this clear, it should.

      1. “The time, effort and expense necessary for their destruction wasn’t worth it. The equipment was essentially junk all along…”

        Cite missing, asshole.

  51. The San Francisco Chronicle finally admitted (on page 2) that something untoward is occurring in Afghanistan. They did so via UP feed regarding droolin’ Joe’s empty promise to evacuate all US citizens and all Afghan allies, and of course didn’t begin to hint how that was to occur.
    As to the antecedents (droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuck ups) requiring these rescue missions, the Chron did not bother to explain.

  52. While I agree with the substance of this story, I object strenuously to the use of the word “we” in the headline and elsewhere. True, this was done with my money and in my name, but never, not any of it, none of it, was done with my sanction.

  53. Uh-huh, sure. And the burglars stole my furniture because I moved into the house, not because I left it unlocked when I went on vacation.

    1. The furniture was junk anyway. Not fit to furnish the house, in any case.

      1. Hey, asshole! Remember posting this?

        mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
        “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

        Just to make sure your rep follows you everywhere; you deserve no less.

  54. And the transplant patient got the organ not because the donor died but because he lived.

  55. So droolin’ Joe’s on vacation, Harris is in Vietnam, congress is recessed.
    I guess someone figured the char-woman couldn’t fuck it up as badly as Joe’s administration.
    I hope she knows the passenger capacities of the various aircraft and that they left her the phone numbers for Taliban HQ.

  56. Of course it all began with the decision to invade Afghanistan based entirely on lies.
    The same lies used as an excuse to invade Iraq. To bomb Libya to smithereens. The same lies used as an excuse to send a million young boys into the meat grinder known as Viet Nam, of which more than 56,000 returned in coffins. There is no need to bring up the calamities visited upon veterans.
    Just look at the results of our great foreign policy wonks. Failure after failure, disaster after disaster and leaving the middle east in chaos and open for even more of the same.
    These wars had nothing to do with keeping Americans safe or defending democracy or nation building or blah,blah,blah.
    It had nothing to do with Osama bin Laden aka Tim Osmun, who had been on the CIA payroll for years and by December of 2001 died from the illness he suffered from for years. And yes the American taxpayers paid for his treatments including a portable dialysis machine. They paid for his treatments at American hospitals.
    It was all about Israel and Israel’s plan to dominate the middle east and to do that all they needed was to get to work in Washington using AIPAC and congress critters , who had already been blackmailed by Epstein and of course the military industrial complex who can smell a buck a mile away, to drum up support by cooking up lurid tales of the cruelties of Saddam, of Quadaffi of ISI and the Taliban. Every night the MSM talking heads faithfully repeated what they were told to say, in exchange for their multi million dollar paychecks.
    So one could say the MSM also contributed to this disaster as well.
    Just as well are the American people who by and large said nothing, never spoke out against these needless acts of aggression, instead they hoisted the flag and voiced their approval.
    It simply indicates just how easily the American people can be led to do almost anything when convinced by politicians in Washington and the media.
    It’s just that easy.
    will America learn anything from this latest disaster?
    Anyone taking any bets?

    1. Not sure if serious.

  57. Today the Washington Examiner reports that sources have stated the US asked the British to stop doing rescue missions because it was making the US look bad. The British commander reportedly told them to stuff it. Based on the source I am taking this with a grain of salt, but how bad does this look if true?
    Also, today the State Department told our citizens in Kabul to stop coming to the airport because of threats of violence from ISIS and Al Qaeda. The report further states that the State Department estimates Al Qaeda forces number at least 100 in Afghanistan. Didn’t Joe say yesterday that there is no Al Qaeda in Afghanistan?

    1. You have to wonder who, specifically, is “the US”, assuming this is true.
      Given that the senior ‘management’ is MIA, I can see it happening since some Lt. Col might have picked up the phone and made a request.

      1. They are saying it’s the commanding General of th 82nd who is the commander on the ground.

          1. Biden really cleaned house when he was President, getting rid of any flag officer and anyone over Lt. Col. who didn’t agree with him. It wasn’t widely publicized in the media, but it was widely publicized in the veteran community.

            1. Not Biden, I meant Obama. Although I think Biden ad VP had some say as well.

              1. The current VP was bragging about what became this disaster, and then seems to have developed laryngitis:
                “WHERE’S KAMALA? Kamala Harris claims she had ‘key role’ in removing US troops from Afghanistan – but now silent since Taliban took power”
                […]
                “The Vice President previously proudly told reporters she was the “last person in the room” before President Biden decided to withdraw US forces.
                She said she felt “comfortable” with the decision, despite Biden being “acutely aware that it may not be politically popular, or advantageous for him personally; it’s really something to see.”
                “This is a president who has an extraordinary amount of courage,” Harris said of the removal of troops…”
                https://www.the-sun.com/news/3485053/kamala-harris-key-role-removing-us-troops-afghanistan-taliban/

                Yeah, Biden was going to do a victory lap on 9/11/21; very brave of him, doncha think?

                1. This withdrawal was a complete cockup. They didn’t withdraw civilians because the Afghani government was afraid of the optics. What a complete gagglefuck.

                  1. The Afghan government that was at the same time giving interviews advising the Afghan people they’d have to accept the Taliban government that was to be given power.

                    1. Like I said a complete and utter gagglefuck.

          2. Also Flag officers have always been some part politician. Generally in war, failure leads to their dismissal until recently. Interesting reading about Patton and Sherman, how their inability to play politics almost ended their careers but their superiors recognized their abilities and protected them from the political class. Bradley, possibly Schwarzkopf, may have been the last of Soldiers’ Generals.

            1. Well,the Marines claim Mattis was but he appeared to me to be a political general also.

              1. You’re close enough to keep track of that; I’m not. It seems outside of Ridgeway in Korea, (and perhaps Schwartzkopf) every war since has been less about the military and more about the political, so my interest in military history ends about there.

                1. Schwarzkopf retired just before I joined, but everyone I knew who served under him had nothing but good things to say about him. And his hail-mary blitz against the Iraqis was a thing of tactical and strategic beauty, especially in the logistics needed to keep it going and make it successful.

              2. What was Mattis’ claim to glory that earned him such, what appears to be undue, respect and support from marines?

                1. I am not certain. He talked like Chesty without Chesty’s accomplishments?

    2. Bad enough that such a tale might even seem plausible.

      1. I told my Mom yesterday “on top of being reactive instead of proactive, this disaster is being ran based on optics”. For example, the rumor that keeps getting repeated in DC is that Biden isn’t sending out troops because he wants to avoid the optics of a Blackhawk down situation. It is also being reported that the Biden administration doesn’t believe this will hurt him or democrats because Americans have such a short memory and they want to shift the optics to COVID and the new budget resolution.

        1. This wouldn’t be a Blackhawk Down. It would be a dozen of them spread across Kabul. Because once the shooting starts it will shut down HKIA, and everyone still dispersed out in the city will need rescue.

          Right now we literally are proceeding based entirely upon the will of the Taliban. I suspect the only thing restraining them is a combination of decision paralysis and not wanting to risk their capital being reduced to rubble.

          1. The scarier thing is all the noncombatants that surround the airport, it is definitely not a permissive environment and any use of air power or artillery will result in extremely high civilian casualties. Something we worry about being the goatfuckers opposing us don’t.

            1. Before any rescue attempt we need to expand the perimeter, which would require more troops. We should have retaken Bagram or better yet never given it up until we were completely done evacuating everyone. It is a much more defensible location.

              1. You’d hope that someone is actively engaged in planning how to get those thousands out of there – last high number claimed a possible 100,000 US citizens, ignoring the Afghan allies.
                But you’d also hope the ‘withdrawal’ wasn’t screwed up enough to become an ass-kicking which requires such back-end rescue plans and obviously that ‘wunt-arrry’.
                That “buck” seems to have slid off droolin’ Joe’s desk about the time he went back to his vacation and Harris beat a silent retreat (hoping no one notices?).
                I refuse to watch the Sunday TV propaganda, but it will be interesting to read if any of them (ANY!) are willing to hold droolin’ Joe’s or Harris’ feet to the fire in absentia.

                1. Oh, I’m sure Donahue has already submitted a plan to Milley, who, if for no other reason than to cover his woke ass, passed it on to SecDef Austin. Who passed it off to Sleepy Joe, or whoever is actually in charge. What I doubt is that sleepy Joe, or his puppet master, have the testicular fortitude to enact the plan. And that is the whole problem, the fact that the in theater commander doesn’t seem to have tactical control and has to clear everything with his superiors. This would be like if Patton had to submit every plan to Bradley, who then had to submit it to Eisenhower, who then submitted it to Marshall, who then submitted it to Stimson, who then submitted it to FDR. Imagine how long it would have taken Patton to pivot the 3rd Army to relieve Bastogne?

                  1. Instead Ike Patton “how long will it take you?” And Patton said “three days, I’m already moving the troops needed.” And Eisenhower said “Go to it George”. End of story.

                    1. *Ike asked Patton.

                    2. And Eisenhower didn’t particularly like Patton, but he didn’t let that get in the way. He knew Patton was the best guy to get the job done and turned him loose.

                    3. Unfortunately, we are still dealing with the fallout from FDR selling out to Stalin at Yalta. If Eisenhower had been allowed to turn Patton loose he would have captured Berlin, not the Soviets.

                    4. Hell, we are still dealing with Wilson’s capitulation during the Treaty of Versailles, which created the modern Middle East.

                    5. “Instead Ike Patton “how long will it take you?” And Patton said “three days, I’m already moving the troops needed.” And Eisenhower said “Go to it George”. End of story.”

                      Like a lot written about “The Bulge”, this exchange is reported with varying degrees of agreement.
                      Haven’t seen that as a quote, but have seen it suggested. Pretty sure is was Atkinson who has Ike responding: “Don’t be fatuous, George. I’ll give you until the 3rd to get all the divisions turned around”.
                      Just now re-reading Ike’s kid’s “Bitter Woods”, and haven’t gotten to that exchange. We’ll see how D. S. Eisenhower reports it.

                    6. I paraphrased. Yeah, Eisenhower didn’t think Patton could accomplish the pivot in three days and wasn’t sure three divisions (which is what Patton proposed) could do it, but in the end Eisenhower left it to Patton and he got the job done. That was my point. Eisenhower have Patton a goal and then let Patton achieve it.

                    7. BTW, about to knock off tonight, but recently read a book on the small-unit resistance on the north shoulder of the bulge; I’ll post a reference tomorrow.

                    8. Patton was terrific in tactics but he should have concentrated on the Germans in Sicily instead of taking Palermo for his big hero’s welcome. He just had to get there before Monty. Instead the Germans got out with all of their troops and equipment.

                    9. “Patton was terrific in tactics but he should have concentrated on the Germans in Sicily instead of taking Palermo for his big hero’s welcome. He just had to get there before Monty. Instead the Germans got out with all of their troops and equipment.”

                      Cite missing.
                      Pretty sure Atkinson in “The Day of Battle” has Monty blocking Patton’s advance.

                  2. “Unfortunately, we are still dealing with the fallout from FDR selling out to Stalin at Yalta. If Eisenhower had been allowed to turn Patton loose he would have captured Berlin, not the Soviets.”

                    Gonna go with Ike’s decision here.
                    Had we gotten there first, we would have had to engage in the house-to-house battle that cost Zhukov some 150,000 to 200,000, all so we could retreat and hand it over. The agreement had been made, and as inept as FDR was at the time, the Red Army had the cannon fodder available.
                    One of Ike’s better decisions…

                    1. I agree with Ike honoring the Yalta decision too. I am saying without the Yalta decision, Ike would have had more strategic room to work with and could have turned Patton lose without fear of having to give Berlin back. Also, it is entirely plausible that the Germans would not have fought ad hard against the western allies, considering many of them were trying to entreat with the western allies and many preferred for the western allies to capture Berlin rather than the Soviets.

                    2. Not sure that Truman could have done better at Yalta, but quite sure that FDR was criminally negligent in not informing Trueman of the issues and including him in the meetings.
                      It remains counterfactual, but given Trueman’s personality, it is possible that, unlike FDR, he would not have been ‘mislead’, and perhaps Yalta might have turned out otherwise.
                      Regardless, with what he was given, Ike saved the lives of many US troops, to the detriment of Eastern Germany for a quarter of a century.
                      Are you familiar with American Socialist? That pile of shit claims to be a Marxist/Stalinist disciple! Dunno how much stupidity that requires, but he’s (she’s ?) got enough to do so.

                    3. Churchill described Yalta like a spring love affair between Stalin and FDR.
                      Yeah, I know Amsoc, I muted him awhile ago.

                    4. “One of Ike’s better decisions…”
                      And among his poorer decisions was in not allowing the 3rd Army to close the Falaise gap. And his decision to transfer supplies from Bradley’s command to Montgomery’s so Montgomery could launch Market Garden.

                    5. You have obviously looked at history. I harbor serious doubts that anyone in Biden’s ‘executive council’ (those who affect what supposedly represent his views) have examined history to that degree.
                      It would be in no way surprising to find that Harris believes we dropped nukes on Germany. It used to be amazing to me that many of those with whom I spoke made that comment; it is no longer is amazing.
                      It’s, uh, sad…
                      Hence, droolin’ Joe.

                    6. “And among his poorer decisions was in not allowing the 3rd Army to close the Falaise gap. And his decision to transfer supplies from Bradley’s command to Montgomery’s so Montgomery could launch Market Garden.”

                      Not gonna deal with the Falaise gap tonight; trust Monty?
                      Market Garden: A one-tank front and a 120mile flank!

                    7. FDR was like a 13 year old girl with a crush on Stalin, total little bitch.

                      Monty was trash.

  58. Anyone interested in a little game?

    Guess the date of and writer who pens the “everybody knew Joe wasn’t mentally intact before the election” article.

    1. My call is Welch on September 12th.

    2. What is the official Gee-Oh-Pee publication, now that The Plain Truth and John Birch newsletter have both faded?

      1. The nurse will be by shortly with your evening meds and a pudding cup.

  59. This leaves us in no doubt that Eric Boehm is a pen name for Jen Psaki.

  60. Clearly the equipment was not worth the time effort or expense it would take to move it. It wasn’t up to the task of defeating a militia of part time goat herders and besides our brave and patriotic weapons contractors will be more than happy to do what it takes to replace it.

    1. “Clearly the equipment was not worth the time effort or expense it would take to move it”

      This asshole has been repeating this bullshit based on absolutely nothing. Here’s his attempt at clever repartee’:

      mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
      “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

      1. Yeah, what I’ve seen is them using is state of the art night vision gear, M-4 rifles and M16A4 rifles with state of the art optics, M249s, up armored HMMWV, state of the art MRAPs, next generation body armour. The have state of the art drones and UH-60M, captured current generation radios and fighter aircraft. None of that is crap.

        1. Dunno if you are familiar with trueman – he runs a blog visited by several people a month, so he shows up in the hopes someone clicks on his name by mistake and doubles his weekly hit count.
          Pretends to be ‘intellectual’ but posts nonsense (as above) hoping someone will be fooled into thinking it is somehow ‘profound’, when, in fact, it really is nonsense.
          Stupid and smug about it – not a good way to go through life.

        2. “None of that is crap.”

          It is crap if it doesn’t do what it is supposedly designed to do, ie fight and win a war. The US can provide all the crap in the world to her soldiers and the Afghan allies, but it’s worthless if they lack the resolve to fight. After 20 years, you should have learned this.

          1. This is a fine example of the assholish sophistry at which trueman excels; stupid and proud of it!
            An exact quote, and not pulled out of any mitigating context:
            mtrueman|8.30.17 @ 1:42PM|#
            “Spouting nonsense is an end in itself.”

  61. Good point. The crocodile tears crying game only reiterates how alike both Tweedle-dumb halves of the entrenched and Nixon subsidized looter Kleptocracy really are. Nothing is stopping Biden and Boy Blunder Hunter (or their whining critics) from grabbing some assault rifles and parachuting into Afghanistan to save victims of the Methodist Mohammedan White Terror.

  62. Interesting video on the Brits dismantling Camp Bastion.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sWY2v3Mwcvs

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  64. I’m sure it will all be “mostly peaceful” …

  65. I don’t care much. Not like they can drive those hummers to Ohio. Besides we didn’t leave that stuff. The fake Afghan army did.

    1. Not like they can drive those hummers to Ohio.

      But hundreds of thousands of Afghan refugees will be driving hummers in Ohio.

      1. Almost every great American achievement you can name was done by someone whose family came to America from shittier place. Maybe they’re just extra appreciative of all the things you neglect and take for granted and shit on.

        What is your problem with welcoming refugees, specifically?

        1. One advantage is that a lot of these people were translators or worked for Americans so they already speak English.

          There is a sizable Afghan community here and they are reported to have a median income in the $50k range. They have been coming here since the Soviet collapse so the refugees should have no trouble getting support and fitting in.

          I didn’t realize it until I looked it up but there is a falafel place near me that is Afghan and they deliver. I’ll have to try it.

          1. There is a sizable Afghan community here and they are reported to have a median income in the $50k range.

            That’s below the US median and means that they are making America and Americans less well off on average.

        2. The US used to have a massive labor shortage and no social welfare state. Now a–holes like you have turned the US into a high tax social welfare state, and as a consequence, almost every refugee we admit is a burden on US society.

          Eliminate the social welfare state and we can have open borders again.

        3. What is your problem with welcoming refugees, specifically?

          You mean refugees from a country in which almost all the population believes in Sharia law and capital punishment for apostasy and homosexuality? Geez, why in the world might I not want to live around such people?

          Furthermore, refugees aren’t immigrants and aren’t intended to be immigrants. Afghan refugees should live in a neighboring country and related culture until it is safe to repatriate them.

          1. None of the neighboring countries want them. Qatar’s refusal is especially hilarious, given the tens of billions they’re pissing away to put on the World Cup next year, or whenever they hold it because Covid.

            Every country in MENA, and Central Asia, learned the lessons from Black September.

            1. My point is: if anybody has a moral and legal duty to take them, it’s neighboring countries with similar cultures, not the US. Whether they want them or not is irrelevant.

        4. “Almost every great American achievement you can name was done by someone whose family came to America from shittier place.”

          Witness shitstain explaining how the AmerIndian population hasn’t done shit.
          And, BTW, if you read “1491”, you will understand that shitstain is-
          Full.
          Of.
          Shit.

      2. I doubt they will be able to afford those right away. The new one is electric and over $100k.

      3. Actually Ohio could use some new immigrants. They are losing population. Besides a Kebab truck sounds good.

        1. Why not get your facts straight before you speak? Ohio has been growing over the last decade.

          If they want to attract more residents and businesses, they should lower their tax burden, eliminate regulations, and lower their spending.

          1. “Kebab truck”

            Because convenience store jokes would be racist.

            1. Food is universal. We all appreciate ethnic and regional foods from all over the world. One thing we can agree on.

              Also nothing wrong with small business. It is a foundation of economic life.

          2. I am from Ohio. Cost of living and taxes are low to middling. The budget is balanced. You can buy property there for a decent price beyond the wildest dreams of coastal dwellers. There are plenty of economic opportunities and a solid educational base.

            Slow population growth has cost Ohio a seat in congress. The area with the most promise is Columbus. The rust belt took huge hits and never truly recovered.

            1. I am from Ohio. Cost of living and taxes are low to middling.

              Not according to the tax foundation (rank 16). Cost of living seems about average.

              Slow population growth has cost Ohio a seat in congress.

              Yeah, so? You claimed “They are losing population.”

              And Ohio wouldn’t be losing a congressional seat if other states weren’t admitting illegal migrants by the millions. The solution to that is to kick out the illegals, not to admit even more illegals and refugees to Ohio.

              Never mind that refugees are not supposed to stay permanently in the country giving them asylum in the first place.

              1. Yes and you can buy a 3000 sq foot home in Ohio for less than $350k. In California upwards of a million. If you can find one.

                Nativism is lost on me. I am from flyover country. It was built on immigration. Some of the boom may have come and gone. So it has been throughout human history.

                I did not move from that state because of any of that. It was for other reasons.

  66. After a nearly 20-year occupation, this was one inevitable outcome.

    That makes no sense. Are American troops incapable of either flying out military hardware or destroying it?

    1. The point has been made is that it was not our gear. It was the stuff we transferred to the Afghan army over the years which turned out to be a sham. The idea was they would use it to defend themselves when we left. Well that didn’t work.

      1. The point has been made is that it was not our gear.

        The US military is amazingly good at destroying “not our gear”; that’s what they are paid for.

        The idea was they would use it to defend themselves when we left. Well that didn’t work.

        If that had been the idea, we would have trained them for it. Instead, we trained them to do ground support for US air power, something we never would be able to hand over to them.

        1. “The US military is amazingly good at destroying “not our gear”; that’s what they are paid for.”

          Pretty sure the rule is: Destroy it if it is likely to be used against you. Ownership discussions are optional.

        2. The Taliban are guerrilla infantry. The operate from the ground using Toyota trucks and whatever they can get ahold of. You can’t fight them like conventional forces. The Afghan army was corrupt and not in the least interested in doing so. It was obvious for years that the mission was a failure. The stuff is no longer important. We lost. The only thing that matters now is orderly retreat. That has not happened.

          1. I don’t want to fight the Taliban at all. But I don’t want the US to leave US military hardware behind, nor to leave tens of thousands of American citizens behind with no place to go.

          2. Thank you for a typically irrelevant comment.
            Try to keep up; the question referred to the destruction of the remaining weapons and eve you admit:
            “…The operate from the ground using Toyota trucks and whatever they can get ahold of…”
            Like all those weapons NOT destroyed.

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  69. Whichever generals were in charge of this should resign immediately . Shit and Biden won’t even admit it was a huge blunder and take responsibility. He is even worse than I thought.

    1. Not just the generals. State dept, intelligence, revolving door folks, etc. 20 years of lying and incompetence – and Biden is already whitewashing things. I wish Congress did oversight – but if they did that, then problems would have been made obvious years ago.

      1. Yup all the way up and down the line.

  70. Anyone watching the Sunday political TV hoh-hahs? Anyone taking Biden to task for this colossal disaster?
    If not, what are the new excuses being run up the flag poles?

  71. Afghanistan was nothing more than a money funnel, no matter what the intent was, it turned into a money funnel. Perhaps even at the very start of that disaster. The Afghanistan army was a joke. made up of highly illiterate goat herders and tribal wonks, young men who obviously didn’t know their right from their left were taken in and then paid with American cash.
    The people who engineered this debacle all need to be arrested and charged with as many crimes as possible.
    The American people need to STOP believing anything the government says and that includes the MSM.
    The political damage and fallout from this will last for decades.
    Both the Democrats and republicans have exceeded their expiration date. They need to be replaced. The time has come for the both of them to go the way of the Dodo. The both of them belong in a museum .

    1. Don’t try to make THIS colossal fuck-up a ‘both sides’ issue.

  72. walking around withh RPG and AK 47

  73. OK, the pop-up vid on my email has droolin’ Joe claiming “11,000 have been evac’d”, no mention of why such an operation is required, nor any evidence to support that claim. And no hint as to how many remain.
    Another has him claiming ‘this isn’t too bad, and it would have happened anyway’.
    Now I’m waiting for the “I won’t do it again” presser.

  74. attaboy chinajoe ………… your masters are prod of you …. and crackhead will have your cut next week

  75. It is obvious this staff will do nothing but defend their champion. Even though no thinking person not a eugenicist, racist, statist, authoritarian, pedophile, etc should have wanted the Biden/Harris administration to ever exist. Decades of evidence, fella. Decades.

    The only way Biden does worse would be to send nuclear missiles to kill the American military and civilians in Afghanistan to end the occupation. This was a serious blunder. And Biden already owns the initial invasion, continued occupation, and over 8 years directly. Just stop.

    The questions to ask and articles to write are:
    Why is this happening this way?
    Who benefits?
    Who profits?
    What happens next?

    And so on.

    Cats don’t die from curiosity, they stay alive by paying attention.

    Right now we will be paying the Taliban ransoms. Possibly billions. And we will be paying China for lithium. And other things. And those funds will partially flow to the Taliban. They will now have the might and the alliances to impact us while gaining wealth and power. And while our initial reason for occupying Afghanistan was bullshit, we may have real ones soon. Except we won’t be able to.

    Stop loving and defending the furthest thing from a libertarian that has ever held the presidential office with weak “libertarian” nonsense. Or do a much better job of it. Lazy, brainless fool.

  76. “…Right now we will be paying the Taliban ransoms…”

    Correct. The people remaining there are best understood as “hostages” by now.

  77. “this was one inevitable outcome”

    If there was more than one outcome, could this or any other of them be classified as “inevitable”? If the outcome is inevitable, then it can’t one of many potential outcomes. “The outcome” is inevitable, to the exclusion of any others, or it is not.

    1. Correct. This outcome was ‘inevitable’ only once foreign policy was turned over to a drooling, demented figure-head.
      Droolin’ Joe, his handlers, and the TDS-addled assholes who voted their adolescent fan-boy fave into power for no mean tweets, own this. Yes, Brandyshit, TDS-addled assholes like you in particular.
      And I’m quite sure the extent of droolin’ Joe’s colossal fuck-up are a long ways from being measured; see above regarding “hostages”.

  78. WHy would anyone listen to Scott Horton? The man is a barely hidden anti-semite and I don’t say that lightly. Only country he seems to hate more than the US is Israel. There is anti-war, and there is only being anti-war when it means shitting on the US and the West while giving tons of other countries a pass. The man is at best a useful idiot, and more likely a recruiter for other useful idiots.

    We needed to move out, no one is arguing that. Our exit was idiotic and cost far more lives than staying there with a skeleton crew ever would have. But even keeping the threat of retaliation active would have done wonders.

  79. What a ridiculous article that serves only to try and deflect blame for this disaster. The only way this take makes sense is if the author is ideologically biased and trying to paint a narrative that takes blame off Biden.

    There was a plan to do this right, at least as right as possible given the situation. Biden and his admin decided it was better politically to do this quickly with few conditions and, more importantly, they made it excruciatingly clear to the Taliban that they lacked the appetite to retaliate and attack if those conditions were not met. And, this is all AFTER we mostly left the country.

    You are presenting a strawman argument really, Acting as if, no matter what, these weapons would have ended up in the Taliban’s hands. Nope, no way, not true. Trump’s plan would have worked, however, even if Biden tried to follow Trump’s plan he would have failed because, again, the Taliban knew he, his admin and the left’s political base were never going to force them to follow those conditions with the REAL threat of harsh and immediate retaliation.

    In short, Biden didn’t have the balls, politically and personally, to force the Taliban’s hand and they knew it.

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