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First Amendment

Judge Says 'Fuck Biden' Signs Are Obscenity and Orders Their Removal

Plus: Facebook blamed for missed Biden vaccine goal, court sides with CDC in cruise ship battle, and more...

Elizabeth Nolan Brown | 7.19.2021 9:35 AM

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Judge to First Amendment: Fuck you. A Garden State municipal court judge says "fuck Biden" signs in a woman's front yard are illegal. But U.S. Supreme Court precedent says otherwise.

Last Thursday, Roselle Park Municipal Court Judge Gary Bundy ordered a local homeowner to take down profane flags critical of President Joe Biden that are displayed in her front yard. Three of the flags say "Fuck Biden." Bundy says if they're not removed, the homeowner will face fines of $250 per day.

Bundy claims the signs violate the area's ordinance against obscenity—and seems oblivious to the fact that the law runs afoul of the First Amendment if applied in this way.

The Roselle Park ordinance defines obscenity as anything that "appeals to the prurient interest; depicts or describes in a patently offensive way sexual conduct as hereinafter specifically defined, or depicts or exhibits offensive nakedness as hereinafter specifically defined; and lacks serious literary, artistic, political or scientific value."

In defending the ordinance and its use to censor the anti-Biden signs, Bundy pulls out the time-tested censor talking point: "Freedom of speech is not simply an absolute right. It is clear from state law and statutes that we cannot simply put up the umbrella of the First Amendment and say everything and anything is protected speech."

It is true that not all speech is protected by the First Amendment, and obscenity is considered an exception. But obscenity cannot be defined simply as "anything that offends the sensibilities of government officials," which seems to be what the judge is going by here.

(Bundy also seems to think permissible speech in this country should turn on what we would ask children to spell in spelling bees. "We just had the National Spelling Bee," Bundy said when handing down his ruling, according to NJ.com. "That word was not one of the words that the kids spell out.")

This all runs contrary to what the U.S. Supreme Court has previously said on the matter. In Cohen v. California, the Court held that a jacket emblazoned with "Fuck the Draft" was OK, even when worn inside a courthouse, and its wearer could not be convicted of disturbing the peace.

What I'm confused by in this ruling is that even without Cohen, the signs don't appear to violate the language of the ordinance, which includes the Miller test. It seems quite a stretch to suggest that the sign was literally talking about a sexual act or wasn't political.

— matt blaze (@mattblaze) July 18, 2021

"Cohen v. California was actually a closer call, because it involved wearing a 'Fuck the Draft' jacket into a public courthouse, where the government has some extra latitude to set rules of decorum. The sign in this case was on the woman's own property," points out the Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez, noting on Twitter that it is "one of the Supreme Court's most famous First Amendment cases" and that courts have recognized the right to much more offensive forms of speech, including cross burning, swastika banners, signs saying "God Hates Fags," and yelling "fucking pigs" at police officers.

"Particularly depressing," he adds, "to see an actual judge engaging in the kind of hand-wavey First Amendment pseudo-analysis I associate with Twitter trolls: 'Well, free speech isn't an ABSOLUTE right, therefore let's just assume this instance I don't like is one of the exceptions…'"


FREE MINDS

"Facebook is not the reason [vaccine] goal was missed." Having failed at meeting its vaccination goals, the Biden administration is apparently casting about for places to lay the blame and settled on Facebook and other social media companies. Facebook is pushing back. From The New York Times:

In a blog post on Saturday, Facebook called on the administration to stop "finger-pointing" and laid out what it had done to encourage users to get vaccinated. The social network also detailed how it had clamped down on lies about the vaccines, which officials have said led people to refuse to be vaccinated.

"The Biden administration has chosen to blame a handful of American social media companies," Guy Rosen, Facebook's vice president of integrity, said in the post. "The fact is that vaccine acceptance among Facebook users in the U.S. has increased."

Mr. Rosen added that the company's data showed that 85 percent of its users in the United States had been or wanted to be vaccinated against the coronavirus. While President Biden had set a goal of getting 70 percent of Americans vaccinated by July 4, which the White House fell short of, "Facebook is not the reason this goal was missed," Mr. Rosen said.


FREE MARKETS

Judge sides with CDC in Florida cruise ship fight. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) can set rules for cruise ships, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit says. From Politico:

A late-night order from a federal appeals court Saturday dealt a major setback to Florida's effort to lift restrictions the federal government imposed on the cruise ship industry in order to prevent outbreaks of the coronavirus.

A panel of the Atlanta-based 11th Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2-1 to stay an order a federal judge in Tampa issued last month blocking the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's framework for allowing cruises to resume. The cruise business was abruptly shuttered by federal order in March 2020 following a series of mass infections aboard large ships.


QUICK HITS

Markie's uncleared sample of Gilbert O'Sullivan's "Alone Again (Naturally)" resulted in a legal opinion decrying sampling as "stealing," which changed the sound of hip hop practically overnight as the formerly prevalent use of sample-heavy tracks became prohibitively expensive.

— Aaron Moss (@copyrightlately) July 17, 2021

• JAMA Pediatrics has retracted a controversial study suggesting masks could be dangerous for children.

• Los Angeles County sheriffs say they won't enforce the return of the county's mask mandate.

• Nonreligious people are less likely to be vaccinated, according to a new poll from Data Progress:

.@DataProgress has been doing a tracking poll.

By May 11th - had at least one dose:
Evangelicals: 62%
Non-Evangelicals: 70%
Catholics: 62%
Nones: 47%

Adults had been eligible for *weeks* by that point. It's not an age thing. Nones are the ones lagging behind. pic.twitter.com/YPcVQu7xFE

— Ryan Burge ???? (@ryanburge) July 14, 2021

• "The revelation that a documentary filmmaker used voice-cloning software to make the late chef Anthony Bourdain say words he never spoke has drawn criticism amid ethical concerns about use of the powerful technology," reports the Associated Press.

• According to CNBC, the top states for business are Virginia, North Carolina, Utah, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, Minnesota, Colorado, Washington, and Ohio. Read more about the methodology here.

• French health workers are protesting forced vaccinations.

• Are Democrats trying to kill highways?

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  1. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    A Garden State municipal court judge says "fuck Biden" signs in a woman's front yard are illegal.

    Elder abuse.

    1. Jerry B.   4 years ago

      I suspect even Dr. Jill won't go there.

      1. JohnZ   4 years ago

        Paging Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Jill...........

    2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      To paraphase Lenny Bruce: If you can't say "Fuck," you can't say "Fuck Biden!"

  2. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The social network also detailed how it had clamped down on lies about the vaccines, which officials have said led people to refuse to be vaccinated.

    Your body, the establishment's choice.

    1. Longtobefree   4 years ago

      Unless an infant is being sacrificed - - - - - - - -

      1. ThomasD   4 years ago

        Not really a sacrifice since they don't value it.

        1. Outlaw Josey Wales   4 years ago

          A Zygote. Just some cells, man...

          1. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            Pretty much so.

      2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        Researchers pay top dollar for the products of conception

        1. Mick 2   4 years ago

          Yes, and sperm and egg donors afford people who cannot have children the opportunity of having them. Science is a good thing.

  3. Rich   4 years ago

    A Garden State municipal court judge says "fuck Biden" signs in a woman's front yard are illegal.

    "The woman has changed her signs to 'Buck Fiden', citing the well-established 'Truck Fump' precedent."

    1. Presskh   4 years ago

      My thoughts exactly. If Trump’s name had been on the sign, this same judge would have ruled that it was “protected” speech. That’s the real danger with having left-leaning activist judges on the bench - they have no problem ruling solely based on their own ideology, Constitution be damned!

      1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

        Yup, that is one of the reasons I don't want section 230 repealed and replaced with the "if you follow the 1st A you get 230 protection" plans I've seen. Either Facebook (or others SM) will respect my (and others) 1A rights or I will find another vendor (truthfully I'll never use their services but that is do to their privacy terms). Hoping the government will solve the problems of social media, some of which they created, seems like wishful thinking at best.

        1. ThomasD   4 years ago

          Horseshit. If the ideological shoe was on the other foot you'd be howling for the end of 230.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

            No, I wouldn't. You must have me confused with someone else.

          2. Ewald Von Kleist   4 years ago

            people who've joined one of the camps in the Great American Tribal War literally can't understand people who haven't

        2. Nardz   4 years ago

          Section 230 is government intervention

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

            What would you replace it with or do you think Reason should be liable for something you or I post here?

            1. Call me Don   4 years ago

              Replace it with nothing. If you put up a billboard adjacent to a highway and allow people to put on it anything they want, who is responsible for the billboard?

              1. jb156   4 years ago

                I'm responsible for the billboard and the person who puts something on it with my permission (but not editorial review) is responsible for their own content. If I know who put the content up, and you want to sue them and subpoena me for their name and contact info, that's fine.

                But if I put up a billboard and grant general permission to place content (once again without editorial review) then it'll be up to you to try to figure out who the content creator is if you want to sue. Barring that, you might be able to get court permission to paint over the offending content, but I as the billboard owner am not responsible for the content.

                Section 230 merely allows me to moderate the content and paint over the swastika that I don't like without taking editorial credit for anything else that I didn't review or didn't choose to censor.

        3. JesseAz   4 years ago

          So when they team up with Amazon yo also take away their web servers or disallow it in alp stores....

          How much does someone have to invent on their own before you see an issue?

          1. Longtobefree   4 years ago

            In the beginning - - - - - -

          2. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

            You mean like what happened to Parler. Seems they arrived at better solution to their problem using the free market rather then a political solution. They are back up and running, correct? But hey if you think the federal government will do a better job...hahaaaa...

        4. Nachtwaechter Staater   4 years ago

          Common Carrier Solution

      2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

        Where has it been established the judge is liberal-leaning? And we certainly don’t know how the judge would have decided in the counterfactual case.

        Your comment is a classic example of conservatives sitting around engaging in their mutual victimization narrative.

        1. JesseAz   4 years ago

          You can't be this stupid.

        2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

          I’m sure JesseAz posted some insightful comment that really adds value to the commentariat. I searched for quite a while in Google to see if the judge was appointed or elected, and couldn’t find anything.

          He’s a municipal judge who handles stuff like traffic tickets. He is also a realtor, which may influence him on this case more than any political views he has.

      3. Quo Usque Tandem   4 years ago

        Want to get a load of some fast and loose judicial decisions? Read up on the history of 2nd Amendment cases courtesy of FEDSOC; they don't give a shit what the law or evidence says, it's what they've preordained the outcome to be:

        https://fedsoc.org/commentary/publications/banning-america-s-rifle-an-assault-on-the-second-amendment

      4. Mick 2   4 years ago

        It's all subjective. What offends one, is inoffensive to another.

        Since the trend now leans to crude, illiterate, rude and behaviors unacceptable to your mother now there is a tacit acceptance of overt hostility. We give you Marjorie Taylor Greene, Donald J Trump, & Joe McCarthy as role models.

    2. Unable2Reason   4 years ago

      The strange thing is that their ordinance actually has an exception for political speech. Why do they think she has a flag the says 'fuck Biden'? She actually wants to fuck Biden & she doesn't care who knows?

    3. American Mongrel   4 years ago

      I'm pretty torn on this. I hate restriction of free speech, but I'm not a fan of public profanity either (or shit such as truck nuts). It shouldn't be illegal imo, but people really suck...

    4. BarkingSpider   4 years ago

      She should also put one out saying Buck BLUNDY the assinine judge!

  4. Rich   4 years ago

    "We have to begin to look at alternatives,” House Transportation Chair and bill sponsor Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.) told POLITICO in the run-up to the bill's passage in June. "You can’t pave over the whole country."

    Paving over the whole county is the ultimate shovel-ready job.

    1. Mick 2   4 years ago

      I can hear a certain contingent screaming "JOB KILLER!!" from here.

  5. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    A late-night order from a federal appeals court Saturday dealt a major setback to Florida's effort to lift restrictions the federal government imposed on the cruise ship industry in order to prevent outbreaks of the coronavirus.

    Rona über alles.

  6. criticaljeff racial theorist   4 years ago

    Both Sides are really up to it this morning, ignoring courtb recesent and the Constitution, dictating speech on private property and the internet...

  7. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    JAMA Pediatrics has retracted a controversial study suggesting masks could be dangerous for children.

    Someone got a phone call.

    1. criticaljeff racial theorist   4 years ago

      From Lysenko

    2. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      That's the thing, it's not controversial due to the methodology, it's only controversial because it goes against the jama religion

    3. Mick 2   4 years ago

      Good. Somebody needs to stem the tide of spreading disease.

  8. Rich   4 years ago

    Nones are the ones lagging behind.

    Obviously the solution is to ban atheism in the name of Public Health.

  9. Rich   4 years ago

    "In their invited responses to these and other concerns, the authors did not provide sufficiently convincing evidence to resolve these issues, as determined by editorial evaluation and additional scientific review," the notice read.

    "We'll know sufficiently convincing evidence when we see it."

  10. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    WTF? This cannot be right:

    The president himself worries that GOP attacks on the issue of immigration will resonate politically, according to people familiar with his thinking. “He knows the damage this can do and what a gift this is to Republicans.”

    Because I read Reason.com, I know more Americans than ever agree with the assertion "Immigration is a good thing." That means the Koch / Reason open borders agenda is wildly popular.

    If Republicans run midterm ads portraying Democrats (correctly) as the open borders party, I predict it will backfire and make #BlueWave2022 even more enormous.

    #ImmigrationAboveAll

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Because I read Reason.com, I know more Americans than ever agree with the assertion “Immigration is a good thing.” That means the Koch / Reason open borders agenda is wildly popular.

      "Illegal immigration is a good thing.”

      I don't think they give a fuck about people who won't make for cheap nannies and labourers.

    2. Mick 2   4 years ago

      Anything that increases Democratic votes is fine with me.

  11. Chumby   4 years ago

    “Fuck Trump” signs are still permissible.

  12. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Los Angeles County sheriffs say they won't enforce the return of the county's mask mandate.

    Someone doesn't want to get a recall.

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      "The President then exclaimed, 'Those county sheriffs are *killing* people, man!'"

      1. Spiritus Mundi   4 years ago

        Neanderthals

      2. Jefferson's Ghost   4 years ago

        +

      3. Hairy Toddler   4 years ago

        Best comment of the week.

    2. Otis R. Needleman   4 years ago

      However, it isn't known if individual police departments will enforce the mask mandates.

  13. Rich   4 years ago

    The Roselle Park ordinance defines obscenity as anything that "appeals to the prurient interest; depicts or describes in a patently offensive way sexual conduct

    Serious question: Could Dr. Jill display those flags with impunity?

    1. Leo Kovalensky II   4 years ago

      There's going to need to be some assistance to keep the flagpole up.

      1. Jerry B.   4 years ago

        Bring in a cute tween girl or two with long, sniffable hair.

        1. Mick 2   4 years ago

          Or on the other side of the aisle, a whole host of half-dressed grabbable Miss Teenage America contestants backstage.

          1. dan1650   4 years ago

            Ol Joe would certainly cross the isle for that.

    2. Otis R. Needleman   4 years ago

      Doesn't matter. The defendants will win on appeal. First Amendment. SCOTUS precedent. The judge was clueless.

  14. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Nonreligious people are less likely to be vaccinated...

    See? Teaching compliance to a higher power pays off.

    1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Obviously, the sample didn't reach me. I don't need a Sky Daddy or a Big Brother on the ground to take care of my own health. The desire for a better life on Earth and in the Natural Universe is sufficient for me.

  15. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    The revelation that a documentary filmmaker used voice-cloning software to make the late chef Anthony Bourdain say words he never spoke has drawn criticism amid ethical concerns about use of the powerful technology...

    If only the technology had been available to Couric in her anti-gun documentary she wouldn't have had to suffer the indignity of creative editing.

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      If only that documentary filmmaker had used Rich Little instead of the powerful technology.

  16. Jefferson's Ghost   4 years ago

    "Nonreligious people are less likely to be vaccinated..."

    This can't be true. Every one knows that the super-right-wing-evangelical-non-maskers are totally responsible for the spread of Covid.

    (sarc, just in cast one misses it)

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Buttplug hardest hit...
      I'm sure he'll find something else to blame those dastardly x-tians for tomorrow, though. He'll weather the news.

  17. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    According to CNBC, the top states for business are Virginia, North Carolina, Utah, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, Minnesota, Colorado, Washington, and Ohio.

    In Washington's case the business opportunities are specific to plywood and window glass.

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      LOL

    2. ElvisIsReal   4 years ago

      Nobody should be interested in opening a business here in King Inslee's domain.

  18. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

    I want to thank ENB for not mentioning the minor local story of Texas Democrats leaving the state, flying mask-less on a crowded plane, and testing positive for covid.

    #ItsReallyNotAllThatFunnyAnyway

    1. ThomasD   4 years ago

      Or Kamala meeting with them, and then stopping by Walter Reed.

      1. Longtobefree   4 years ago

        Still waiting for an investigative journalist to tell us this:
        Did the Texans fleeing the responsibilities of their oath of office bring the Communist Chinese Virus to DC, or did they get in the swamp?
        something something meeting Pelosi something else - - - -

        1. Mick 2   4 years ago

          More misinformation.

          The global pandemic is coronavirus and it's mutant variances. It's not political nor geographic - it is a DISEASE, a virus. It's not some lamebrained blame game foisted upon a scapegoat of choice by the illiterate.

      2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        Cackling all the way, of course.

    2. Vulgar Madman   4 years ago

      Or DACA.

  19. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    French health workers are protesting forced vaccinations.

    France is still looking for an inoculation against burning Citroëns.

    1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      They would protest cloud-seeding as forced bathing.

  20. Fist of Etiquette   4 years ago

    Are Democrats trying to kill highways?

    They let you escape The Blue Wave.

    1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

      Kurt Russell and Peter Fonda have a plan for that.

    2. Jerry B.   4 years ago

      Where are we going to drive our electric cars?

  21. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/LeonydusJohnson/status/1417096015929397254?s=19

    Why is it that our society seems to have so much less empathy for the millions of people who were killed by Stalin and Mao than for those killed by Hitler? The hammer and sickle (and the ideology underlying it) should be at least as equally disdainful to us as the swastika.

    1. Zeb   4 years ago

      That is a good question that I often ask. Anyone going around calling themselves a Nazi is rightly largely ostracized from polite society. Yet you can go around with a hammer and sickle flag and be a commie and that is largely at least tolerated.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        It's because the communists won WW2 and the American left, many of whom were/are at least communist sympathetic and anti American, has made rAcIsM the number 1 sin to gain power.
        Deeper down, it's because nazism is affirmative for at least so.e people, while communism is pure and total resentment, the emotional basis of leftism.

        1. Leo Kovalensky II   4 years ago

          The left is guilty, in particular, of embracing communism/socialism from the standpoint of the no true Scotsman fallacy. 100 years of history of genocide just means it wasn't proper communism. History deniers!

      2. Leo Kovalensky II   4 years ago

        Or how did Che somehow become a fashion statement?

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          Because of people like you who make political choices for simple-minded reasons of appearance?

          1. Leo Kovalensky II   4 years ago

            Libertarianism is the ultimate fashion statement. As in, I have none.

            1. 5.56   4 years ago

              You are so concerned with fashion, you sound like a true Fashionist, Leo.

        2. Chumby   4 years ago

          50 Ches of pink

    2. ADL   4 years ago

      Commies murdered upwards of 100 million people in the 20th century. If one is rightfully disgusted by Hitler and Nazism they should be every bit as disgusted with Communism. It’s an inherently violent ideology, there is no way around it. Marx knew it as well.

      It’s interesting looking back on history. Our wars against communism are framed as either corrupt or forgotten (Vietnam and Korea).

      We had a chance to destroy the Soviets as World War II was ending. General Patton wanted to do it and remarked something to the effect of we fought the wrong people. I really wonder what he meant by that (obviously he saw how evil communism was, but what else would make him arrive at that conclusion?).

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        Given the behavior of Germany at present, I'd say Patton was half right with that statement.

      2. swillfredo pareto   4 years ago

        We had a chance to destroy the Soviets as World War II was ending.

        Not really much of one. The Soviets lost 20 million people in WWII and Stalin would happily let another 20 million die for his cause. It was Europe's fight and the rest of the Allies were exhausted. The Reds were just getting started.

      3. emkcams   4 years ago

        "We had a chance to destroy the Soviets as World War II was ending"

        Maybe, maybe not.

        One of Mr. Truman's considerations in a-bombing Japan was the American public was done with war and would not support the incredible casualties involved in a land invasion of Japan. In other words, they would have supported a negotiated settlement with Japan. For the unfamiliar, Japanese honor made the mythical Klingons of Star Trek fame look a touch wimpy in comparison.

        In addition, the American public had been convinced that "Uncle Joe" (Mr. Roosevelt's nickname for Mr. Stalin) was a very friendly gentleman, as was his government, and performing such a u-turn would have been impossible in 1945.

    3. ADL   4 years ago

      In credit to reason, they produced a short video about 10 years ago, maybe a little older than that, about Che Guevara and how hypocritical it is for people to sell his image on T-shirts. I recommend watching that.

      I don’t think reason would make something like that today.

    4. criticaljeff racial theorist   4 years ago

      No Enemies on the Left

    5. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      Had Hitler never turned on Stalin after The Non-Aggression Pact, the Left would have went on supporting both Hitler and Stalin as fellow Uncles. Perhaps Communism and Nazism would have morphed from rival Collectivisms to one single Collectivism, perhaps like National Bolshevism is today.

      1. ADL   4 years ago

        You may be on to something. Stalin eventually went after Jews as well.

  22. Zeb   4 years ago

    So, we have to be hyper-cautious about everything 'Rona related and act like every unknown is a deadly threat. But we'll just make young children and everyone else wear masks and completely dismiss concerns that that might not be a great thing for people.

  23. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    “At a time when COVID-19 cases are rising in America, the Biden administration has chosen to blame a handful of American social media companies. While social media plays an important role in society, it is clear that we need a whole of society approach to end this pandemic. And facts — not allegations — should help inform that effort. The fact is that vaccine acceptance among Facebook users in the US has increased. These and other facts tell a very different story to the one promoted by the administration in recent days.”

    —-Facebook

    “Moving Past the Finger Pointing”

    https://about.fb.com/news/2021/07/support-for-covid-19-vaccines-is-high-on-facebook-and-growing/

    This isn't the biggest news regarding Facebook and free speech from over the past few days. The biggest stories are the ones about the open admission 1) from the White House press secretary and 2) from Joe Biden himself--that the Biden administration is flagging posts and pages for Facebook to delete and deplatform and they're doing it because the posts and pages contradict the government.

    Given these revelations, maintaining the narrative about Facebook and others censoring speech and deplatforming people being an excellent example of social media companies simply exercising their property, free speech, and association rights--that whole narrative is becoming a laughable farce. I don't think that narrative can get any more ridiculous at this point.

    Maybe if someone were to argue that Facebook insisting that Lina Khan recuse herself somehow has nothing to do with antitrust, that would be even more ridiculous. The argument that Facebook's behavior regarding censorship has nothing to do with Lina Khan's attempts to break up Facebook over their toleration for misinformation isn't laughable so much as it's factually incorrect. Lina Khan, in fact, helped write a report that calls for a breakup of Facebook because of their toleration of misinformation.

    It isn't the facts that are ridiculous. It's the stubborn unwillingness of people to change their opinions despite the facts that's ridiculous. And the facts, at this time, point to the deplatforming and censorship behaviors of Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube and others, since January 6, being the result of government intimidation and a clear violation of both the spirit and principles of the First Amendment.

    1. R Mac   4 years ago

      I made the comment in Robbie’s article last week that other than that article, Reason will ignore the whole story. So far they’re proving me correct.

      Which really says something about what Reason has become. How many times before that admission did Reason state, as accepted fact, that Facebook and Twitter were merely exercising their property rights? Hundreds? And now the facts have changed, and they’re mostly pretending they have not.

      1. Cyto   4 years ago

        And how many times did they argue that Trump tweeting mean things about the press was totalitarian and a threat to the free press?? Yet actually directing censorship out of the white house doesn't even rate, apparently.

    2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

      Seems like just last week you were endlessly repeating your logical analysis that Facebook was meekly being controlled by pressure from the Democrats. Now, they are showing they are capable of pushing back, and not one bit of acknowledgement from you that you may have been wrong about what helpless victims they are.

      1. Uilleam   4 years ago

        His comment was obviously a criticism of the current administration and their abuse of power, which you already new. You're a statist apologist and everyone knows it. The only reason you post here is to obfuscate and cheer-lead for larger government control. Do us all a favor and fuck off.

      2. R Mac   4 years ago

        It’s amazing how people react when the President calls them murderers, huh?

    3. Mick 2   4 years ago

      Private enterprise is not subject to freedom of speech. That applies to the government. IF you own it, you do what you want with it including censorship.

    4. Fat Mike's Drug Habit   4 years ago

      Like in a lot of cases the left projects, their insistence over the last few years that their opposition were fascists should've been a big warning about their intentions.

      But hey, at least the POTUS isn't making mean Tweets anymore, he's having them deleted. Progress!

  24. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    A Garden State municipal court judge says "fuck Biden" signs in a woman's front yard are illegal.

    Before you go squawking about "muh Constitutional rights!" you have to look at the totality of circumstances, in which the most important consideration is "What are the odds this woman has the financial resources to make a federal case out of this?" Judges can rule whatever the hell they feel like if you can't afford a lawyer to challenge the ruling.

    1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

      This is such an important free speech case that the ACLU must be footing the bill for this case. Wait, the sign said, "Fuck Biden?" Never mind.

    2. Sevo   4 years ago

      I know this was meant sarcastically, but, fortunately, there are outfits like Institute for Justice and Pacific Legal Foundation who hare happy to find egregious cases such as this; helps with donations.

  25. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/ElectionWiz/status/1416859283677908994?s=19

    REPORT: The Australian state of Victoria entered into strict lockdown on Thursday. The mandate allows for two hours of daily exercise and a few other essential tasks. Victoria recorded 27 covid cases in the past two weeks. The population of the state is 6.6 million. -- BBC

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      "Kriky, if it might help save just one life, ...."

    2. creech   4 years ago

      "The Covidingo ate my baby!"

    3. ADL   4 years ago

      It’s sad to see what’s happening in Australia and NZ.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        And California: LA is requiring masks again, since those diagnosed with the wu-flu 'surged' to 1/00th of 1%!!!!
        Sf is 'suggesting' them; if anyone mentions my bare face, I'm suggesting they stuff a mask up their ass.

        1. KillAllRednecks   4 years ago

          You’re allowed outside your nursing home?

          Got your flag!

          1. 5.56   4 years ago

            You sound like the kind of creepo who'd have a great time if let loose at a nursing home without security.

  26. Brandybuck   4 years ago

    Evangelicals: 62%; Non-Evangelicals: 70%; Catholics: 62%; Nones: 47%

    So if you look a the political breakdown of those four groups, I think it's difficult to assert, as the media keeps doing, of blaming vaccine hesitancy on the Republicans Party. Evangelicals are neck and neck with Catholics in the race to get vaccinated. It's the "others" that are lagging behind.

    Certainly there is a tiny but strong group of nutters in the periphery of the GOP who keep screaming about vaccine microchips. Every party and ideology has it's nutters in the corner, but they aren't the ones dragging everyone down. They are a problem to be sure, but they are not the cause of widespread vaccine hesitancy. And neither does that mean it's the Democrats.

    So what is to blame? Lots of things.

    * The Media and its constant trumpeting of vaccine side effects and imagined dangers. When it's negative news all the time, no positive news of vaccinations ever gets out, at the same time the risks of vaccinations are magnified.

    * Laziness and the feeling of safety. We got to 99+% vaccination rates with Polio because everyone could see the polio victims, mostly children. It was a truly frightening thing. But COVID doesn't seem frightening. We did too good of a job perhaps. So why get vaccinated when one can just wear a mask and stay home and collect Trump/Biden checks?

    * Da Yutes! COVID is only a minor danger to the young, so many youths just don't see the need to get vaccinated. Couple that with the media focusing on a statistically insignificant risk of myocarditis after vaccination, and you get a generation of Alfred Newmans saying "What, me worry?"

    1. Nardz   4 years ago

      You're going to have a tough time showing that covid is equivalent to polio

      1. JimboJr   4 years ago

        Of course the little shitstain disingenuous Fauci is pushing this comparison. I laughed out loud when I heard him talking about that.

        Comparing a virus with a <1% death rate that, with only rare exceptions, mostly kills old, sick, obese people...to a one that could put a perfectly healthy person in a wheelchair or iron lung...hmmm I wonder why people were so eager to get one vaccine and not the other. The risk benefit is almost inverse between the two scenarios.

        These people have no shame at all.

        1. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

          I grew up in the age of polio. My sister in law who is now 70 spent her life on crutches and now can't get up out of a wheelchair. I am not an antivaccer. Vaccines have done great things for the human condition. But there is no way I can support forcing an experimental medical treatment on children and young people whose risk of death or severe consequences from this virus is statistical zero. This is madness and everyone involved should be deeply ashamed.

          1. Red Rocks White Privilege   4 years ago

            Not to mention the Salk polio vaccine went through several years of testing prior to release (which is what the media was arguing about for these ones prior to the Bad Orange Man cutting the red tape and providing liability waivers to get the current versions released), and even then had to be modified because it actually ended up giving several people polio.

    2. Rich   4 years ago

      COVID doesn’t seem frightening.

      Although almost every national news broadcast features a horror story about some poor unfortunate COVID victim fighting for xir life in an ICU.

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

        Family of unvaccinated Georgia man, 24, who underwent DOUBLE LUNG transplant after contracting COVID-19 says he regrets not getting a shot
        Blake Bargatze, 24, from Sugar Hill, Georgia, did not get a COVID-19 vaccine because he feared side effects
        It is believed he contracted the virus in Florida at an indoor concert and his health rapidly deteriorated

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-9792957/Unvaccinated-Georgia-man-underwent-DOUBLE-LUNG-transplant-contracting-COVID-19.html

        another Darwin Award!

        1. Claptrap   4 years ago

          Quite the svelte individual there. Big shock he had problems.

        2. Sevo   4 years ago

          Please join him, turd.

        3. Cronut   4 years ago

          " 'People with excess weight, even without other comorbidities, are at substantially increased risk of admission to hospital and ICU and death due to COVID-19, especially for younger adults and Black people,' they wrote."

          https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2021/04/obesity-studies-highlight-severe-covid-outcomes-even-young-adults

          1. Zeb   4 years ago

            Hmm. Maybe instead of trying to make everyone get the vaccine, it would be more effective to actually be honest and straightforward about the actual risk factors, particularly how enormous of a risk obesity is. Then people like this guy might be able to more accurately assess their own risk and decide to get vaccinated if it's appropriate.
            If the big story on covid had been to remind people constantly of who is actually dying and what the actual major risk factors are, rather than "oh my god we're all going to die", I think a lot more deaths could have been prevented.

        4. Uilleam   4 years ago

          I call bullshit.
          https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5131805/

        5. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

          Hey, we found one! Let's plaster it everywhere!

    3. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      I think lots of people are generally skeptical of doing what the government wants them to do--and some of them have good historical reasons to be wary of government biotech efforts.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

      That study was conducted by the CDC!

      Joe Biden may imagine that millions of Americans voted for him because they want him to boss them around, but that's delusional thinking. We should never fall for that kind of thinking ourselves.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        Here's further evidence.

        "Two NFL teams remain under 50% vaccinated less than two weeks from the start of training camp, a person familiar with the vaccination rates told The Associated Press."

        https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31827687/2-nfl-teams-remain-50-vaccination-rate

        Voting for Joe Biden doesn't mean you want him to inject you with something, and just because you take a knee during the national anthem, because black lives matter, doesn't you want Joe Biden to inject you with something either.

    4. Claptrap   4 years ago

      * Da Yutes! COVID is only a minor danger to the young, so many youths just don’t see the need to get vaccinated. Couple that with the media focusing on a statistically insignificant risk of myocarditis after vaccination, and you get a generation of Alfred Newmans saying “What, me worry?”

      Young people are also more likely to be irreligious; the net results of the religion breakdown is likely just a corollary to that. I suspect that within each religious cohort Republicans are less likely to be vaccinated than Democrats.

      * The Media and its constant trumpeting of vaccine side effects and imagined dangers. When it’s negative news all the time, no positive news of vaccinations ever gets out, at the same time the risks of vaccinations are magnified.

      Why does the CDC get a pass here? Their panic over J&J might be the #1 factor in lowering aggregate demand for the vaccines as a whole.

      The media is also to blame for the constant sneering at the little people's concerns. If you can't speak to people where they are then you're never going to convince them.

      1. American Mongrel   4 years ago

        My number one factor is the govt lying and suppressing dissenting views.
        My second biggest factor is the psychological phenomenon that makes me more willing to die from natural causes than from my own decisions, even if making that decision Has statically better outcomes. But that correlates with my belief that the govt is lying to us and the risks aren't as presented. I don't believe it cuts my risk of severe illness or death by 95% or I would probably get vaccinated. Until they allow alternative viewpoints to be freely shared, there is nothing that can make me believe them.

    5. ThomasD   4 years ago

      ". But COVID doesn’t seem frightening."

      Covid doesn't seem frightening because, if you are not old and/or seriously ill, it isn't frightening.

      1. Cronut   4 years ago

        I came here to say this exactly.

      2. Gaear Grimsrud   4 years ago

        And anyone paying attention knew that last spring.

    6. Zeb   4 years ago

      Perhaps the feeling of safety is because most people have little risk of serious problems from it. Same with the yutes. It seems highly unethical to try to force (or strongly nudge) an experimental drug that they have very little to benefit from on young and healthy people.

    7. Uilleam   4 years ago

      Why isn't anyone discussing the risks involved with ventilators? That whole tragedy has been completely memory holed.

    8. Mick 2   4 years ago

      Anyone who isn't vaccinated, including children under 12 for which there is currently no approved vaccine, is part of the problem because they can host the virus. Has nothing to do with politics, religion, race, country, or gender.

      Get the vaccine, otherwise you are part of the problem and perpetuating the problem - a host to a potentially deadly virus you spread to others.

      1. squid_hunt   4 years ago

        You know, if we outlawed homosexuality, we'd reduce AIDS significantly. Are you interested in reducing the number of hosts to that potentially deadly virus?

  27. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

    Conservative SE Cupp: on right wing population control

    Schmitt, though perhaps singular in his eloquence, is hardly alone in his opinion that “vax bad, covid good” in the new right wing, the movement that’s chosen to parrot disgraced President Trump’s anti-science quackery, villainization of public health and rejection of common sense. (It painfully bears pointing out that Trump, some of his family members, and many of his employees contracted covid-19 while bragging openly about flouting mask and social-distancing recommendations.)

    At a gathering of the Conservative Political Action Conference in Texas last weekend, — a once annual event that now so effectively spreads Trump’s self-interested conspiracy theories that they held it twice this year — a crowd cheered at the pronouncement that the country has not met its vaccination goals. The inanity was breathtaking.

    Other right-wing media personalities also have tried to scare Americans off the lifesaving vaccine, for all kinds of insane “reasons,” including my favorite — that Bill Gates, who’s donated at least $1.75 billion to fight the virus, and the nation’s top infectious disease expert, Dr. Anthony Fauci, created the pandemic to insert trackable microchips in people’s arms. If you want a quick laugh (or cry), scroll through TikTok to watch people insist spoons are sticking to the subversively implanted magnets in their arms.

    https://triblive.com/opinion/s-e-cupp-now-right-wing-supports-population-control/

    1. OpenBordersLiberal-tarian   4 years ago

      Exactly.

      This is why I just do not believe ENB when she tells me "Nonreligious people are less likely to be vaccinated, according to a new poll from Data Progress." Obviously it's religious Drumpf supporters who caused Biden to miss his vaccine goal.

      #NonreligiousEqualsProScience

      1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

        Of course polls by party ideology show clearly that it is the wingnut population that choose to avoid the vaccine.

        DAMNED LIBRUL MEDIA HIDIN' FACTS AGAIN!

        1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

          Or outright inventing them.

          Gems like: COVID came from a wetmarket, Ivermectin doesn't work, HCQ doesn't work, The jab isn't making anyone ill, Fauci was consistent, Masks work, COVID passports, Cuomo didn't kill old people, China managed COVID well, WHO is an independent body, Gain of Function wasn't funded, Trump said drink bleach, No immunity via C19 infection, The Asymptomatic spread C-19, etc...

          1. JimboJr   4 years ago

            Dont forget accusing Desantis of mass murder due to FL policies (which had equal or better results to D states), while memory-holing Cuomo actually mass murdering elderly people.

            Cognitive dissonance is a bitch

            1. Mick 2   4 years ago

              https://usafacts.org/visualizations/coronavirus-covid-19-spread-map/state/florida

              Join reality, the brother of critical thinking.

          2. Mick 2   4 years ago

            May the force find and infect you. Perhaps that would finally inform you.

        2. Sevo   4 years ago

          Fuck off and die, turd.

        3. MT-Man   4 years ago

          Did you not like ENB graph's above? what's your explanation for non religious folks they are all non left? I'm just curious of what you made of them?

          1. Sevo   4 years ago

            You're engaging an asshole who cannot post without lying; expect a strawman or outright bullshit.

            1. JesseAz   4 years ago

              He has to protect biden at all costs.

    2. Its_Not_Inevitable   4 years ago

      "Trump, some of his family members, and many of his employees contracted covid-19 " How many of them died?

  28. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/CitizenSe7en721/status/1417014462511452160?s=19

    Here is the most simple thing to point to with election fraud.

    Without talking about algorithms and cheating.

    Give me any reasonable answer why we are counting votes in fractions??

    I’ll wait…..

    1. Rich   4 years ago

      You don't have to wait long for someone to suggest it's counting votes in fractions of groups of 1000.

      1. criticaljeff racial theorist   4 years ago

        OK, then where exactly were 43 million votes cat (larger than CA), and Trump got 70%?

    2. Zeb   4 years ago

      It would help if there were some explanation of the source of that chart.

  29. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    Facebook blamed for missed Biden vaccine goal

    C'mon, man! We all know the reason Biden missed his vaccine goals is all the Trump supporters refusing to get the vaccine just to own the libs! The Trumpalos would rather be dead than admit that Biden's vaccine has saved the country. Fortunately, they will soon get their wish as the virus wipes them all out.

    1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

      99% Of People Killed By Covid Last Month Were Unvaccinated, Analysis Finds

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/24/99-of-people-killed-by-covid-last-month-were-unvaccinated-analysis-finds/?sh=1289730df049

      20-30 million more Darwin Awards will fix that.

      Fuck them.

      1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

        I don't get what your point is.

        The disease is deadly to the old and infirm? The vaccine usually prevents infection? I don't think anyone disputes those things.

        The part you don't seem cognizant of, however, is that these aren't the same thing as the good old protein vaccines we've been using for the last 150 years. Messenger RNA vaccines are brand new, untested, and seem to have had some cytotoxic or inflammatory effect in virtually every single recipient.
        These mRNA vaccines are in reality a giant experimental trial, and not everyone wants to be part of that.

        1. Sarah Palin's Buttplug 2   4 years ago

          So your issue is that the FDA hasn't thoroughly run the vaccine through clinical trials yet?

          Seriously?

          As a true classic liberal I am for releasing many more drugs the FDA hasn't approved yet.

          1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

            I too am for the releasing more drugs on the market that the FDA hasn't approved yet. Doesn't mean I will take them unless I feel it is in in my best interest.

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              The problem with the FDA process is it's long and full of unnecessary regulations, but all drugs need to be tested. Whether by a third party or the manufacture themselves for the sake of liability.

              The mRNA technologies have never been tested by anyone, and the makers have been absolved of liability. This is a recipe for a potential disaster.

              1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

                Yup, and I have no problem with them getting absolved of liability for an experimental drug rushed out to potentially save lives. Buyer beware and each person needs to way the risks for themselves. There should be some mechanism (2-3 years or hit a certain threshold of results) that an experimental drug after being released on the market loses that protection.

          2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            So your issue is that the FDA hasn’t thoroughly run the vaccine through clinical trials yet

            Yes. Nobody has. Not even the companies. This isn't old tech being repurposed. Using mRNA as a vaccine is brand new.

            And also the fact that it's causing heart inflammation in kids, and also the fact it's showing cytotoxic effects in everyone. This isn't good, Buttplug, and you seem to be ignoring it.

            1. R Mac   4 years ago

              I forget his name, but one of the guys involved with inventing the technology has stated that children should not get the vaccine.

            2. ADL   4 years ago

              I posted links in another comment, but the clinical trials for Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines won't be completed until 2023 and 2022

              The comment still hasn't been posted by the moderators

              1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                It never will. They only allow you one link per comment or else you're stuck in moderation for ever.

                Repost the comment with only one link and then post each other link in a subsequent comment.

          3. Sevo   4 years ago

            But as the lying piece of lefty shit that turd is, that will be another matter.

          4. Zeb   4 years ago

            There is no contradiction in favoring allowing drugs to be released earlier so that people can use them if they decide it's worth the risk and not personally seeing the risk of a particular new drug as worth it. Trying to push people into taking any drug, but especially an experimental one is insanely unethical. People should be allowed to make their own decisions based on their own circumstances. That's the point.

        2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

          Messenger RNA vaccines are brand new, untested, and seem to have had some cytotoxic or inflammatory effect in virtually every single recipient.

          Where did you get this? I've experienced no such thing, nor has anyone I've spoken to who got the vaccine. Nor do we have any urge to buy Microsoft products or stock.

          1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

            some cytotoxic or inflammatory effect

            You almost certainly did. For some it's little worse than a sore arm similar to that with a protein vaccine, others are on their ass for almost a week.

            https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-07-covid-vaccine-link-rare-heart.html

            1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              That link is just to one of the outcomes BTW. Not everyone experiences that, there are many other types of reaction.

              1. ADL   4 years ago

                https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality

              2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                You first said "virtually every recipient," then said "everyon." I didn't even feel it, neither at the time of the shot, nor afterward (prolly because I have regular annual flu shots.)

                Some may experience things like that, sure, but be very careful about categorical statements about highly individual human bodies.

                1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

                  You said “virtually every recipient,” then said “everyon.”

                  By everyone, I meant every single recipient. Whether they felt the affects or not.
                  I got the jab, but my only noticeable side affect was mild tingling in all my extremities for about four hours. This still doesn't mean that I wasn't experiencing inflammation and cellular damage. Just that I wasn't experiencing significant symptoms.

              3. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                I had no other reaction but to live to fight for freedom another day.

                I wouldn't knock it, folks. Outliving our present mess may be the only effective and peaceful way to a freer society.

                1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

                  Addendum: Today, I did encounter a couple of people who felt pain from their COVID -19 shots, but they were only looking for Epsom Salts to deal with the pain, not Opiods, so we can be glad it's not that serious for them and others like them.

          2. Mike Laursen   4 years ago

            I’ve had both doses of the Pfizer vaccine. Got a slight headache. That’s it.

            1. Sevo   4 years ago

              If it had been fatal, the world would be better off.

            2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

              Did you ever get a headache from a protein vaccine?

      2. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

        You don't seem to understand how numbers work. 20 to 30 million won't die. Only the unvaccanited who also fall into the elderly and/or obese categories have a high chance of death. The majority will get sick and then get better.

        1. ThomasD   4 years ago

          This. The CDC is scaremongering by telling partial truths.

          Notice that there is no other demographic data regarding those 18000 deaths - age, pre-existing conditions, etc.

        2. Zeb   4 years ago

          If they even get sick at all.

      3. Sevo   4 years ago

        "20-30 million more Darwin Awards will fix that."

        Make it 30m + 1, turd. Fuck off and die.

      4. Jerryskids   4 years ago

        I want to see the study that shows 99% of the people that were killed last month were unvaccinated Trump supporters.

      5. MT-Man   4 years ago

        I still don't get your point besides pure hate, what about preventable heart disease, cancer from avoidable exposure to various chemicals, back issues from hard labor; screw them all too and leave them without care since they knew that was an outcome that was avoidable?

        1. R Mac   4 years ago

          “I still don’t get your point besides pure hate”

          That’s his only point.

      6. JesseAz   4 years ago

        Lol. You think over 20 million were ever at risk of death from covid.

    2. Mick 2   4 years ago

      Only fools get information from Facebook. FB has never and never will be a scholastic source for anything.

  30. That other guy   4 years ago

    So saying “fuck Joe Biden” by itself is not necessarily obscene as it doesn’t clearly refer to a sexual act; but saying “fuck Joe Biden, right in his thrice-tucked face” would definitely be obscene?

    1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      Just to make sure you stay on the right side of the "sexual reference" rule, you should always be careful to say "Fuck Joe Biden with a rusty chainsaw".

      1. Jerry B.   4 years ago

        Some people might consider that sexual. I'd prefer not to meet them, however.

        1. Sometimes a Great Notion   4 years ago

          'Fuck Joe Biden but not in the way you're thinking, pervert!" should also acceptable.

          1. Stuck in California   4 years ago

            Good point.

            Whether that sign is considered obscenity (by the standards written out in the article) says a lot more about the judge than it does about the homeowner.

            1. Mick 2   4 years ago

              How about we simply curb obscene references entirely? Too bad if you don't like him. He's the POTUS. Isn't that what all the Trump supporters were braying during his tenure?

              1. squid_hunt   4 years ago

                What? No. We were laughing as a bunch of crybaby journalists squawked like chickens when he punched them back in their ridiculous performative art displays.

  31. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    "The social network also detailed how it had clamped down on lies about the vaccines, which officials have said led people to refuse to be vaccinated."

    "Oh, Br'er Biden, I don't care what you do with me, so long as you just don't throw me in that briar patch over there."

  32. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

    In today's installment of the drama surrounding $1.9 trillion infrastructure bill (and by extension Biden and the Democrats' $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill), they pulled the funding for the IRS expansion out of the infrastructure bill--apparently in an attempt to find more Senators of both parties willing to sign it.

    Tester, the Democrat from Montana, apparently, wasn't happy with finding the money to pay for the bill by hiring a slew of IRS agents to hassle the people of Montana and elsewhere. Manchin, the Democrat from West Virginia, on the other hand, has said he didn't want to sign onto it if they didn't find the money to pay for it.

    Meanwhile, there's still a standoff over which bill will be considered by the House first. The House Democrats say they won't pass the $1.9 trillion infrastructure bill until the Senate passes the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill with all the Green New Deal spending and entitlement expansions.

    All of this is meant to get a few Republicans to sign onto the $1.9 trillion infrastructure bill, but so long as the passage of $1.9 trillion infrastructure bill is predicated on the passage $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill, supporting the infrastructure bill is akin to supporting the $3.5 trillion reconciliation bill.

    And it's important to remember that the Democrats can pass all of this spending without a single Republican vote. The only reason the Democrats are trying so hard for a few Republicans to sign off on the infrastructure bill is so that they can hide behind the fig leaf of phony bipartisanship for passing this crap--come November of 2022.

    "Senate Infrastructure Bill Drops IRS Funding, Raising Pressure for New Revenue"

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/senate-infrastructure-bill-drops-irs-funding-raising-pressure-for-new-revenue-11626627260?

    1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      "And it’s important to remember that the Democrats can pass all of this spending without a single Republican vote. The only reason the Democrats are trying so hard for a few Republicans to sign off on the infrastructure bill is so that they can hide behind the fig leaf of phony bipartisanship for passing this crap–come November of 2022."

      ----Ken Shultz

      Note to Nardz,

      The Democrats in the Senate are behaving as if they fear the results of the midterm elections in 2022.

      No, that isn't conclusive evidence, but it is evidence.

      1. Nardz   4 years ago

        So far.

      2. Jerryskids   4 years ago

        The only reason the Democrats are trying so hard for a few Republicans to sign off on the infrastructure bill is so that they can hide behind the fig leaf of phony bipartisanship for passing this crap

        I have to take exception to your assertion that the Democrats have to try hard to find a few Republicans willing to sign on to their crap. I can think of about 17 of them that are willing to do it.

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          Well, there may be a few that sign on. The point remains, however, that the Democrats can pass this bill without any Republicans, and there is a reason why they don't.

      3. MT-Man   4 years ago

        Ken - Tester is going to need Pearl Jam to show up again like they always do for his reelection and I'm not even sure that's going to keep him in office with some of his decisions. He does have the farmer angle and is generally an ok guy the times I've been around him but I'm just not sure he'll make it this time.

        1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

          I won't claim to know Montana well, but my understanding is that they have a commie streak that runs through the state owing to its mining union past. That the rugged individualism and the left wing thinking of a Ted Kaczynski aren't necessarily incompatible in the Montana character.

          1. MT-Man   4 years ago

            That's a correct assertion for the zones I live around but many of those areas are countered by the Billings and Flatheads of worlds; I guess a key point and you allude to that above is the individualism part. Mike Cooney when he ran for governor didn't promote that in the face of Covid, Gianforte even though many people didn't like him as a person voted for him based on his promise of valuing the individual which in opinion was what allowed him to win.

            1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

              Plus, they now have a Californian streak running through them. Boz Angeles didn't get its nickname for nothing.

              I hope Ken is right about the '22 midterms. I suspect though that it will be like expecting the Washington Generals to pull it out in the end. Still, Manchin and Sinema have been more steadfast than I expected.

              Perhaps 2020 wasn't the American equivalent of Chavez's first election? Prepare anyway.

    2. Cronut   4 years ago

      If we lived in a world where Republicans could get at least a semi-fair shake in the media, the smart play would be to force them to pass it through reconciliation, and then hang that albatross on them for 2022. Or let the stupid RINOs sign on, and hang it on them too.

      But we don't live in that world. What's going to end up happening is, if no Republicans support either bill, the media will spread the "GOP obstruction" story. If one Republican supports the bill, the media will go with the "bipartisan bill " story. Absolutely zero media outlets will make any kind of statement about how awful both bills would be for the country.

      1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

        We can console ourselves a bit with the notion that the news media is still largely unpopular--even with independents--and the established new media players are bleeding customers to new competition.

        I mentioned over the weekend that The New York Times told their journalists that they can't start newsletters, free or otherwise, without permission--because Substack is picking off their talent and enjoying enormous growth.

        As people turn to streaming for television, they're turning away from CNN, MSNBC, and broadcast television news--in droves.

        The news media is extremely biased, but they're nowhere as near as popular as they imagine themselves to be. I see the news media like Gail "the Snail" on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. They're always so eager to please people, but the American people are disgusted by them. And here's the kicker--you can't convince them that they're unpopular. They're convinced that we think they're cool!

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQxUypXoslM

        1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

          You missed the perfect opportunity.

          1. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

            That one works!

  33. Duelles   4 years ago

    The “voice “ of dead people has been used in historical novels without any consequence for years. Is our digital media now somehow different? Americans are lazy about what they are willing to research or look up. Maybe a new government regulation is needed to protect the ignorant. . . Rather than keep them blissful.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      Sarc or stupidity?

      1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

        The voice of dead people? Like when the dead are allowed to vote Democrat?

    2. Zeb   4 years ago

      But if you make up things for historical figures to say in a work of non-fiction (like a documentary) that is getting close to fraud. I wouldn't say it should be illegal, but it should ruin the credibility and reputation of anyone caught doing it.

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        They tossed David Irving in jail, but that's just the Brits acting like Brits; lying about history had already ruined his career and rep.

  34. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    "We just had the National Spelling Bee," Bundy said when handing down his ruling, according to NJ.com. "That word was not one of the words that the kids spell out."

    Okay Susie, spell asshole, as used in the sentence "Judge Bundy is an asshole".

    1. Anomalous   4 years ago

      Gary Bundy treats the Bill of Rights the same way his cousin Ted treated women.

    2. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

      How can anyone ignore the Supreme Court's National Spelling Bee exception to the 1st Amendment?

    3. Zeb   4 years ago

      "With all due respect, judge, fuck you"

      1. Sevo   4 years ago

        +1

  35. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    the Biden administration is apparently casting about for places to lay the blame and settled on Facebook and other social media companies. Facebook is pushing back.

    Facebook trying to get ahead of the changing of the guard after the next election.

  36. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

    R.I.P, Biz Markie.

    Fun fact - ENB went by the name Blah Blah Blah back in the '80s.

    1. Dillinger   4 years ago

      you say he's just a friend?

    2. Ken Shultz   4 years ago

      You
      You got what I need.
      But you say he's just a fiend.

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        Apropos of your post above, "It's Always Sunny..." is the only reason I know this song.

      2. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

        I always visualized Archie Bunker singing this at his piano:

        "You, Edith, got what I neeeeeed!
        But you say George is just a friend!
        But you say George is just a friend!..." 🙂

    3. Zeb   4 years ago

      Damn. Saw him perform once in the late 90s. He was a lot of fun.

  37. Nardz   4 years ago

    https://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD/status/1416188314701475844?s=19

    this is worrying me quite a bit.
    [Link]

    1. Gray_Jay   4 years ago

      Higher sampling rates in highly vaccinated countries is my initial guess. IOW, they care enough about COVID to detect a greater percentage of cases than low-vaccinated countries.

      OTOH, one big initial fear, very early in the outbreak---think Dec-'19/Jan-'20---was that this bug might have some antibody-enhanced propagation. Like Dengue.

      Bitter irony if getting jabbed made it more likely you got the -Delta strain, or whatever we've worked up to now.

      1. Zeb   4 years ago

        Cases mean nothing unless they are followed by a wave of hospitalizations. Not sure if that is happening or not.

  38. JimboJr   4 years ago

    https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/07/09/mom-says-school-board-threatened-to-sue-her-for-seeking-public-information-on-critical-race-theory-in-curriculum/

    But she wasn’t notified about an issue with the number of requests until she learned that the school board, formally called the South Kingstown School Committee, was considering taking the legal action against her, Solas said.

    “You told me to submit public record requests to answer my questions,” Solas told school board members, according to a recording of the June 2 meeting. “I did what you told me, and now you are holding a public meeting to discuss suing me for doing what you told me to do. This meeting was meant to publicly humiliate me, and it didn’t work.”

    They are using everything they can to steamroll parents who object. They are trying to keep what they are doing as secret as possible. If CRT is so good, why do they not want the public to know what they are teaching and try to silence parents who protest?

    1. JimboJr   4 years ago

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pta-official-resigns-after-saying-let-them-die-about-parents-against-critical-race-theory/ar-AAMgYzJ?ocid=uxbndlbing

      PTA Official Resigns After Saying 'Let Them Die' About Parents Against Critical Race Theory

      1. D-Pizzle   4 years ago

        I love this gem from the Virginia PTA executive committee: "While not speaking in her role within Virginia PTA, we do not condone the choice of words used during a public event on Thursday, July 15, 2021."

        The sentiment expressed was just fine, apparently.

    2. Unicorn Abattoir   4 years ago

      I wonder if you can file a SLAPP suit against a school board.

    3. Cronut   4 years ago

      This is how you know CRT curriculum is bad: instead of being transparent and making their case to parents that this is good, worthwhile curriculum, they resort to bullying and public shaming to try and shut parents up. When that doesn't work, the turn to lawfare and make too expensive to pursue.

      The school board meeting was designed not only to shut this woman uo, but also to serve notice to any other parent who might consider asking questions, "We will charge you exhorbitant costs for public records (which should be free and readily accessible by anyone), and if that doesn't work, we will sue you and delay and bleed you by a million cuts."

      1. JimboJr   4 years ago

        Yup. I think the lady mentioned that they basically made a show trial out of her. It was clear as day what they were doing.

        "STFU, dont interfere or we will make a public spectacle of you, a warning for anyone who thinks of doing the same"

        1. Cronut   4 years ago

          Good on her for showing up and standing her ground.

    4. DesigNate   4 years ago

      You just don’t understand what CRT is!!1!1!1!
      - chemjeff

  39. Sevo   4 years ago

    "..."The revelation that a documentary filmmaker used voice-cloning software to make the late chef Anthony Bourdain say words he never spoke has drawn criticism amid ethical concerns about use of the powerful technology," reports the Associated Press...."

    Would this be the raging asshole Borat or the other raging asshole Moore?

  40. Dillinger   4 years ago

    "Your Honor, it was a simple offer."

  41. Jerryskids   4 years ago

    French health workers are protesting forced vaccinations.

    Of course the French are yuge Trump supporters, why else do you think Trump supporters would use a frog as their symbol?

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      They actually are.

      The moment you get outside of Paris, London or Frankfurt you find he had huge fanbase with the hoi polloi. Ordinary Arabs really liked him too.

      I think Americans aren't cognizant of the fact that the rest of the world doesn't trust the Davos crowd either.

    2. ThomasD   4 years ago

      Ba-dum-bump.

    3. Echospinner   4 years ago

      The French are always protesting something. It’s like a national sport.

  42. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

    Because I read Reason.com, I know more Americans than ever agree with the assertion “Immigration is a good thing.” That means the Koch / Reason open borders agenda is wildly popular.

    "Illegal immigration is a good thing.”

    I don't think they give a fuck about people who won't make for cheap nannies and labourers.

    1. Jerryskids   4 years ago

      Yes! They favor illegal immigrants because those are poor and desperate people they can exploit for personal gain. If you're not poor and desperate you can afford to go through the process to immigrate legally, and you're not so easily exploited.

      1. kcuch   4 years ago

        Maybe more importantly... when you have to pay for something, you value it more and tend to protect (maintain) what you received for that cost.

    2. Echospinner   4 years ago

      Milton Friedman said the same thing.

  43. JimboJr   4 years ago

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nikole-hannah-jones-said-cuba-is-among-most-equal-countries-because-of-socialism/ar-AAMiv4b?ocid=uxbndlbing

    Well what a shocker. We have AOC, BLM, Nicole Hannah-Jones all full of hatred for our country and pining for the "equity" of a communist shit hole where the govt can bury you for dissent. Im sure they just want us to try "real" socialism this time, itll surely work out this time.

    1. Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland   4 years ago

      They are correct, you can see that the Castro family has the same wealth as all of the other cubans

      1. ADL   4 years ago

        That sounds like complete BS. I would bet money that the Castro family is worth millions.

        1. Sevo   4 years ago

          Get your sarc meter calibrated...

      2. JimboJr   4 years ago

        Also funny that despite how these benign dictators run these communist countries, and how apparently its a utopian equity for blacks, none of said blacks that praise it in this country are flocking there.

        They have nothing but hatred for America and capitalism, but every time they choose to stay, and every time they get a chance for a 20-50k speaking engagement, or netflix contract, they jump right at it. It's almost like they are absolute fucking hypocrites.

        1. RedvBlue   4 years ago

          Hypocrites or just really good at the game?

      3. Chumby   4 years ago

        https://www.forbes.com/sites/keithflamer/2016/11/26/10-surprises-about-castros-extravagant-life/?sh=4cbe88766d76

  44. JimboJr   4 years ago

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/after-unc-quandary-nikole-hannah-jones-pushes-for-tenure-of-more-black-scholars/ar-AALVsWx?ocid=uxbndlbing

    “I hope that other universities who might find it easy to point at the board of trustees in North Carolina and say ‘They’re just backwards,’ will do some real, internal introspection on the way that they are also blocking so many other talented Black faculty who dedicated their life to academia.”

    This is exactly why you just don't play their game. She didn't deserve tenure anywhere. UNC was right to question it and shouldnt have given it. No matter what you were going to get called racists. Just let her do it. Now she gets the smug satisfaction of rejecting them, tenure elsewhere, and even though they absolutely caved, she still cries racism. Simultaneously getting the money, the job, and the sweet sweet cloak of victimhood. UNC should have told her she is an unqualified hack and she didn't deserve tenure for her fiction novel.

    You cannot play this race game with these activists on their terms and win. It's heads I win (despite your racism) tails you lose (you racist misogynist). You cant give in to people because *gasp* they might cry racism. They are going to cry racism if they get 100% of what they want anyways. Get used to telling them to fuck off.

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      I notice she ended up at a school almost totally segregated; good place for a racist.

      1. JimboJr   4 years ago

        Ya she didn't even try and take the high road of "well UNC might be full of racists whites, but at least I can add diversity of opinion and race to the university" (granted this would be horseshit).

        She goes to one of the blackest schools. "Ill change the world by going somewhere everyone looks just like me and agrees with my race-baiting bullshit!" Neoliberals are the ultimate racists / segregationists in this country. Every time.

        Ta-nahesi Coates is there as well, so at least she will have an intellectual equal she can compare notes with. He is an IQ lightweight with no substance but race grievance as well, so I bet he will make her feel right at home.

    2. Cyto   4 years ago

      I have family on campus now. One is working on research in a biology lab in the med school. The lead investigator encouraged them all to join him in marching in support of NHJ.

      I weep for what they have become.

  45. JohnZ   4 years ago

    Reminds me of a song by a 1960s band known as Moby Grape:
    I got murder in my heart for the judge
    I got murder in my heart for the judge
    Fat old judge wouldn't budge
    I got murder in my heart for the judge....
    My guess is that if the sign was about Trump, the old fat bastard judge would have ruled it as free speech.

    FIRST AMENDMENT ALERT!
    Michigan Governor Whitler has just ordered Attorney Gen ( and lesbo queen) Nessel, to arrest any who now question the outcome of the election.
    The Michigan State Police will be tasked with the job of arresting those who dare question .
    Looks like the liberals are going full communist .
    And I thought the MSP had better integrity that that.
    So much for that.
    I'm not making this up.
    What next?
    Can I put up a sign saying: "Fuck Whitler"?

  46. Tony   4 years ago

    Good Christian genital police, the gatekeepers of social decency, have devolved rapidly into vulgar, hateful chimps, huh?

    1. Sevo   4 years ago

      Shitstain is drinking early again.

    2. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      No, the only vulgar, hateful chimps acting as social gatekeepers are you and your Woke pals, Tony.

    3. Chumby   4 years ago

      First of the month is still almost two weeks away. Cheer up Tony, you’ll make it to then.

  47. Seamus   4 years ago

    The sign in this case was on the woman's own property," points out the Cato Institute's Julian Sanchez, noting on Twitter that it is "one of the Supreme Court's most famous First Amendment cases" and that courts have recognized the right to much more offensive forms of speech, including cross burning, swastika banners, signs saying "God Hates Fags," and yelling "fucking pigs" at police officers.

    Yeah, well all those decisions were issued before the Great Awokening. You need to be prepared to watch the undoing of all the advances in First Amendment law of the past 50 years.

    1. Mother's Lament   4 years ago

      Woke lo conquista todo

      1. kcuch   4 years ago

        woke uber alles

  48. TJJ2000   4 years ago

    Federally the Judge in on.. Locally; probably off.

    1st Amendment...
    Congress shall make no law .... abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances

    There is a difference between LEVEL of government and the Constitutionality of each.

    1. The Encogitationer   4 years ago

      As of The Reconstruction and the 14th Amendment, the 1st Amendment applies to States and localities, as should the rest of The Bill of Rights.

      1. TJJ2000   4 years ago

        Possibly, there's still an open debate of "privileges and immunities" exact meaning - but it's well known it was written primarily to enforce the Civil Rights Act of 1866 that states treat *all* citizens the same under state law.

        https://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/amendments/14/essays/169/privileges-or-immunities

        Recognizing just the 'Feds' clear-as-day limits would be a huge step at this point; I suppose from their State's should have more leverage.

  49. Philo   4 years ago

    With all the actual current actions that are very effectively limiting the public expression of political and social ideas, THIS is what you are concerned with?

    Grow the fuck up.

  50. awildseaking   4 years ago

    Interesting how cruises aren't allowed to operate even though vaccines work.

    If the past year of government enforced business closures hasn't made people aware of cronyism, nothing will.

  51. James K. Polk   4 years ago

    Fuck Judge Gary Bund

    1. Cyto   4 years ago

      If we lived in a country with a backbone, there would be hundreds of those signs in the area.

      1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

        If we lived in a country with a backbone, that judge would be trying to scrub the tar and feathers out of his hair as we speak.

        -jcr

  52. RedvBlue   4 years ago

    Fuck Biden

  53. Chumby   4 years ago

    At least no woodchipper comments.

  54. David Emami   4 years ago

    The told me if I voted for Trump, prudish judges would censor free expression -- and they were right!

  55. pablo escobar's hippos   4 years ago

    I love when people identify themselves as dumb hicks so you don't have to waste time talking to them to find that out. Put up a Fuck Biden sign, buy a bunch of trashy political merch to wear, and fly that blue line flag high so I can identify and discriminate against you.

  56. 5.56   4 years ago

    Right now, I can't think of a good person whose name was Bundy. Anyone?

    1. Vernon Depner   4 years ago

      George Bundy

      https://bundymusic.com/history/

  57. adaslot88   4 years ago

    With all the actual current actions that are very effectively limiting the public expression of political and social ideas, THIS is what you are concerned with?

    https://199.192.28.241/

    1. John C. Randolph   4 years ago

      Fuck you, you spamming piece of shit.

      -jcr

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