Capitol Riot

Why Would Republicans Want a Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?

From Mitch McConnell's perspective, an independent commission can only mean trouble.

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Senate Republicans today blocked a bill that would have created an independent commission to investigate the January 6 Capitol riot by former President Donald Trump's supporters. Six Republicans joined 48 Democrats in supporting the bill, which was not enough to reach the 60-vote threshold necessary to overcome a Republican filibuster.

Thirty-five Republicans supported the commission bill when the House approved it by a vote of 252–175 last week. But Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), despite his condemnation of the riot and the Trumpian election fantasy that motivated it, was adamantly opposed to the idea, saying another investigation would be redundant.

"The Department of Justice is deep into a massive criminal investigation," McConnell said before today's vote. "I do not believe the additional, extraneous 'commission' that Democratic leaders want would uncover crucial new facts or promote healing. Frankly, I do not believe it is even designed to."

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R–Alaska), one of the six Republicans who supported the bill, yesterday accused McConnell of elevating "short-term political gain" above "understanding and acknowledging what was in front of us on January 6." Sen. Bill Cassidy (R–La.), who also backed the bill, warned: "The investigations will happen with or without Republicans. To ensure the investigations are fair, impartial, and focused on the facts, Republicans need to be involved."

The bill contemplated a commission evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, modeled after the one that investigated the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The idea was that its findings would be more broadly credible than the charges underlying Trump's second impeachment or the conclusions of ongoing congressional investigations led by Democrats. At the same time, the commission would have had a broader ambit than the Justice Department investigation that McConnell mentioned, considering security failures and presidential misconduct as well as potential crimes.

From McConnell's perspective, both of those advantages were reasons to oppose the commission. While McConnell initially seemed genuinely outraged by the riot and the presidential "lies" that "provoked" it, he pretty quickly abandoned any thought of trying to separate the Republican Party from the Trump personality cult.

"Former President Trump's actions preceding the riot were a disgraceful dereliction of duty," McConnell said after voting to acquit him (based on the position that former presidents cannot be tried in the Senate). "There is no question that President Trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of that day. The people who stormed this building believed they were acting on the wishes and instructions of their president. And their having that belief was a foreseeable consequence of the growing crescendo of false statements, conspiracy theories, and reckless hyperbole which the defeated president kept shouting into the largest megaphone on planet Earth. The issue is not only the president's intemperate language on January 6th….It was also the entire manufactured atmosphere of looming catastrophe—the increasingly wild myths about a reverse landslide election that was being stolen in some secret coup by our now-president."

But McConnell eventually decided that Trump's domination of the GOP was inescapable, which meant there was no political advantage to be gained by dwelling on the former president's reckless conspiracy mongering or the violence it inspired. Based on that assumption, it's better for the party if any further interest in those subjects can be easily dismissed as blatantly partisan.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D–Calif.) is happy to help. "Mitch McConnell asked Senate Republicans to do him a 'personal favor' and vote against the January 6th Commission," she says in a statement released today. "In doing so, Mitch McConnell asked them to be complicit in his undermining of the truth of what happened on January 6th. In bowing to McConnell's personal favor request, Republican Senators surrendered to the January 6th mob assault. Leader McConnell and Senate Republicans' denial of the truth of the January 6th insurrection brings shame to the Senate. Republicans' cowardice in rejecting the truth of that dark day makes our Capitol and our country less safe."

I agree with Pelosi (and McConnell) that Trump's phony election grievance encouraged his followers to invade the Capitol in a vain attempt to prevent Joe Biden from taking office. I also agree that Trump's behavior before and during the riot qualified as impeachable conduct. But I still can't read her statement without rolling my eyes. McConnell may be weaselly and unprincipled, but he's not dumb.

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  1. And why would we not want an investigation of the entire Russiagate debacle?

    Also it’s going to be hilarious when the “investigation” starts asking questions about why Pelosi refused to adequately man the ramparts, considering that everybody in the country knew that there was a rally?

    1. Pelosi is why it will never be a “Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation” and why the Republicans are against it. Woke liberal dictatorship supporting Reason will never figure that out. Reason still suffers from TDS .

      1. Disaffected, whining, right-wingers are among my favorite culture war casualties.

        Carry on, clingers . . . so far as your betters permit, that is.

        1. “Welcome to Retardation: A Celebration. Now, hopefully with this book, I’m gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, the retarded don’t rule the night. They don’t rule it. Nobody does. And they don’t run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don’t lock eyes with ’em, don’t do it. Puts ’em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming “No, no, no” and all they hear is “Who wants cake?” Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.”

          1. So we should toss the bigoted asshole cake? Or jam his face in it?

            1. Again SullenDick is becoming of a retard.

              Why Would Republicans Want a Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?

              Obviously, because there is nothing left to hash out. All the rioters that could be arrested have. The media has been sucking all the jizze out of this story for months. A commission for fucking what? I'll tell you what - It's just another means of smearing Trump and fans. That's all. And that's why Mitch said "Fuck no." And that is why SullenDick rubbed two brain cells together to defend this dumbass story. He's probably jacking off to the thought of Trumpism getting attacked, again, while Biden is sniffing the hair of the USA and slipping his AIDS infected dick in her. Fuck!

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          2. perfect

        2. Carry on, clingers . . . so far as your betters permit, that is.

          Artie is looking forward to the day when our betters repeal the first amendment and prohibit us from carrying on.

      2. Exactly. That’s why McConnell stopped it. It would never be a credible, nonpartisan investigation but would be for show just to attack all Republicans.

    2. Or “where was antifa” when they showed up to every other event conservatives held

      1. Antifa is largely a left coast squad and they couldn’t get their parents to front the cash for a plane ticket during covid. Safety first, think of the children, and all that. The ones that did have tickets made their reservation for the 18th or 19th and missed the show.

        1. Parents? They had stimulus checks.

          1. They had NGOs and Soros. Obama permanently funded most of this activity as “shovel ready” (guys ready to hit you with a shovel)

        2. Yes, you just stumbled into the real need for an investigation: the financing behind the riots that spread city to city with the same organizers and shock troops showing up across the country

    3. Nothing says “principled libertarianism” like demanding government investigations of protesters.

      1. Yeah, isn’t the technical term “chilling effect”?

      2. See You Next Tuesday, Liz

    4. There was. Two of them. Both found considerable collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia.

      1. And back in the real world that is completely untrue. Back to your padded cell comrade..

        1. “Nah-uh” isn’t very convincing. Especially when the counter argument has some 1500 pages of fact finding reports, intercepted electronic communications, convictions, testimony, and finally, we have footage of Trump on live TV straight up asking Russia for assistance. Both sides agree that Trump campaign manager, Trump’s son, and son in law all took a meeting with Russian spies with an agenda of “Dirt on Hillary –Russian government help for Trump campaign”. That is not contested by either side now. For me, that is already too traitorous to support in a president, but you do you.

          1. ““Nah-uh” isn’t very convincing…”

            Correct.
            Even less convincing is the lefty shits’ claims of “X pages” of something or other.
            Got it? Let’s see it, or you might STFU, asshole.

          2. “Trump on live TV straight up asking Russia…”

            Sigh. The inclusion of this stupid meme renders moot any other point you might have had. Gullible liberals truly have no sense of humor.

            Boring.

        2. “In some observed cases of Trump Derangement Syndrome, people, spurred by the excesses of CNN, MSNBC and the major newspapers of the time, came to believe that the mere assertion of something, if consistent with the anti-Trump narrative, made it truth.

          With this method of interacting with reality firmly entrenched, these extreme sufferers found it difficult to cope with aspects of reality that could not be “proven” by consensus agreement with other TDS-afflicted people over social media. They could not dictate the weather by mere assertion, nor could their belief that they “had enough money in the bank” be sufficient for purchases. The adjustment for many was extremely uncomfortable, and for some, traumatic.”
          ~Crazy Times: The Breaking of the American Mind, 2012-2028, pub. 2056, McMillan

    5. You do know it is not her job to “man the ramparts”? That responsibility fell on the Sgt. at Arms (both the Senate and House have one).
      ignorantia sit beatitudo

    6. Just what we need is another Russia Collusion Witch Hunt to run for several years, desperately trying to baselessly denigrate Trump people.
      Russiagate is far more of a serious problem that should be thoroughly investigated, except TDS is preventing it.

  2. Are we going to get a commission about the pro abortion folks who invaded the Senate during Kavanaugh’s hearing, they were ginned up by democrats.

    Are we going to get a commission to investigate the so called Squad who stirred up anti Jewish sentiment resulting in street violence.

    What about last years riots egged on by democrats.

    What about the multiple years of lies democrats and their media bootlickers have told about republicans in general and the last four GOP president candidates specifically.

    No investigations of election irregularities are forthcoming from the federal government. But they are all up in police department procedures.

    Priorities.

    1. Just don’t audit the election.
      That’s just a step too far,

      1. You can’t audit the election because most states do not have an auditable trail for the votes.
        No election will be uncontested until every vote has an auditable trail. So, never.

        1. This country has held elections for over 200 years and very few of those elections were contested. Those that were contested were settled through legal means. The 2020 election is only one where the loser, and the former President is a loser in the broadest terms of the word. refused to concede.

          In November 2020 people in this country chose Representatives, Senators, Governors, and hosts of other officials and those election were uncontested. There is nothing different between these races and the Presidential race other than the loser in the Presidential election is jerk.

          1. Governor Stacey Abrams would like a word with you.

            1. Are you suggesting we should audit the GA governor’s race? I think that matter has been settled.

              1. Why are you guys so against audits?
                Since this was the fairest election in human history, an audit will obviously shoot down all those wicked charges of fraud.

                1. I have never said I don’t want audits. What I said is I want to know what the are the audit plans. What are is being looked for, what techniques will be used, and who will do the audit.

                  1. And you’re not about to look.

                  2. “What are is being looked for”

                    Gosh, an election audit. I can’t imagine what they’d be looking for. Maybe insider training or misappropriation of funds.

                    Did you even think before you typed that?

          2. Very few of those elections didn’t have some element of fraud. Legislators have often worked to satiate avenues of fraud.

            But this election was the cleanest one ever so we should not find the avenues of fraud this time.

            1. No one has every suggested fraud doesn’t exist. Recent check of Wisconsin’s 2020 election found a suspected 27 cases in 3.3M votes. This is 0.0008%. That is very good and a tribute to the work done in the Wisconsin election.

              You can’t get to zero failure/zero fraud in anything, so you get to a level you can accept. If 0.0008% is not good enough what level is?

              1. And when you don’t look for fraud, don’t listen to fraud, and won’t speak about potential for fraud, you don’t find fraud. There are some very wise monkeys I’d like you to speak to

                1. They did look for fraud and found 27 cases in 3.3M votes. What would you do different?

                  1. GFY

                    1. lol. Just declare you are going to believe whatever makes you happy, despite the evidence.

                    2. “…Just declare you are going to believe whatever makes you happy, despite the evidence…”

                      Still waiting for those “pages” showing Trump/russki collusion and evidence of Ken lying, lying pile of lefty shit.

          3. “…There is nothing different between these races and the Presidential race other than the loser in the Presidential election is jerk.”

            No, there was one other difference: Slimy pieces of TDS-addled shit like *YOU* made sure *WE* got what slimy pieces of TDS-addled shit like you deserved.
            Perhaps if you had had some slight maturity and capability of considering his actions instead of your adolescent fan-boy focus on his personality, you might be considered other than the fucking ignoramus you are.

          4. Trump is a jerk, no doubt, but the Establishment doesn’t have a problem with jerks. They had a problem with Trump because he wouldn’t play by the previously established rules of engagement. When the other side wins, even if you are pretty sure it was shady, you are supposed to step aside graciously and say “the people have spoken”.

            Which of course the Lefties didn’t do in 2016. Some Dems tried to stop the certification of those sacred election results, and spun wild Russian interference and voting maching hacking conspiracy theories, and turned to foreign intelligence agencies to gin up fake scandals and launched investigations and impeachment charges and national protests, rather than graciously accepting the results.

            1. “…Trump because he wouldn’t play by the previously established rules of engagement.”

              “The rules” in this case being the constitution. Yes, we don’t like presidents who want to undo 230 years of picking our leaders by democratic election. We like our constitutional republic, and aim to keep it. Therefor, Trump and his cult followers must be kept far from the levers of power.

              1. I’d like to know…do you really think there are “levers of power” somewhere in the bowels of the Capitol Building and those befuddled Maga hat wearers on Jan 6th were close to getting their hands on them, thereby actually “taking over the country oooga-booga!!”??

                Or do you have something more Wizard of Oz-ish in mind?

                Idiot.

              2. “…Therefor, Trump and his cult followers must be kept far from the levers of power…”

                more importantly, shit-eating, lying, lefty assholes like this should never be allowed to hold power, even at dog-catcher-level.

          5. Hillary Clinton still claims to have won in 2016.

          6. “There is nothing different…..”

            Well, if you ignore the 4 year temper tantrum and the rona freak out inspired new voting “rules”, I guess you could say nothing was different about 2020.

            Damn, dude.

      2. You want an audit, explain what it is you want to do in the audit? Audits are done all the time and people conducting those audits can tell you what it is they plan to do and what they want to show by way of their work.

        1. “Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot”… May I perhaps nominate Sidney Powell to head up this investigation?

          https://reason.com/2021/03/23/sidney-powell-says-shes-not-guilty-of-defamation-because-no-reasonable-person-would-have-believed-her-outlandish-election-conspiracy-theory/

          Sidney Powell Says She’s Not Guilty of Defamation Because ‘No Reasonable Person’ Would Have Believed Her ‘Outlandish’ Election Conspiracy Theory

          NO lesser beings below the unquestionable integrity of Sidney Powell will keep conservaturds happy! Else they might throw another insurrection temper tantrum!

          MAN (oops, I mean “person”) THE BARRICADES!!! The Trumpanzees are at the Gate of Zirn again!!!!

          1. It is a bit like the Larry Flint defense that his pics were obviously parody which he won on. I don’t think it will be as easy for her. She is a well known lawyer and claimed to be acting in that capacity. A lot of people believed her. Hustler magazine was, hustler magazine.

            Anyway the judge threw it out. It will be interesting if this goes to trial.

        2. There are plenty of articles and interviews detailing what needs to happen. Go educate yourself instead of coming here and acting like this has t been articulated.

          Seriously, you are deliberately obtuse.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVt99VaijKM

          1. I don’t click on links. Nothing personal it is a security issue.

            I know there are suggested approaches. The National Election Defense Coalition for example. I could support a audit in a format outlined by this group.

            What I am asking is that groups wanting an audit provide transparency in what it is they want to do, how they will do it and who will conduct the audit.

            1. Lol. Thats a long winded way of saying you choose ignorance.

              1. Maybe on audit number 4 they will get the result they want.

                1. “Maybe on audit number 4 they will get the result they want.”

                  Maybe on the tenth year of investigation of Trump, slimy piles of lefty shit like you will get that jay-walking charge hung on him, and find that as justification for all those years of making a public ass of yourself, asshole.

            2. It’s a security issue to click a Youtube link?

              Either you don’t know how the internet works, or you don’t want to actually know.

          2. Yes, lots of people have opinions of what “needs” to happen and yes, you can find those opinions in interviews. Those opinions and 10 cents will get you a dime.

            There is no such thing as a perfect system.
            Voter ID? Same problem with voter roles getting old. What about lost/stolen IDs? People moving, dying, or otherwise becoming in-elligable? What about those working overseas or in college, how are you going to verify?
            BTW, Georgia already requires driver’s license number on applications.
            Paper trail – yep Dominion has them.
            No mail in voting? I guess those serving abroad or SOL. I know, since we are going to spend millions to count the votes, why not fly a team out to meet anyone that needs to vote. They can verify ID right there (would they get combat pay?)

            Or

            Keep the system we have now that has an error rate that is way less than 1% (and by error, including voter fraud).

            1. So since you yourself are unable to come up with a workable audit, it just shouldn’t happen at all?

      3. Are you saying they did count the electoral votes properly? I sure someone would have caught that.
        Oh, I see, you want the federal government auditing every states votes. And by audit, you mean count every vote by hand.

        1) Hand counting of votes is not as accurate as machine counting.
        2) Hand counting of votes is significantly slower. Arizona is hand counting 2.1 million votes and its taking 2 months…. and I think they are only doing one race (President) – could be a close local one as well.
        Much better, and as the founders thought it best, have the states deal with selecting electors. And as for an audit, if you randomly select a few districts for audits, you can statistically predict the accuracy of the machines. No full count needed. Unless your bad at math.

        1. So since you yourself are unable to come up with a workable audit, it just shouldn’t happen at all?

    2. What you are going to get, buckleup, is even more progress imposed on vanquished right-wingers by the liberal-libertarian alliance.

      And you will comply, clinger. Half-educated bigots, disaffected clingers, and superstitious hayseeds have exhausted their betters’ patience in the culture war.

      Open wider.

      1. “Welcome to Retardation: A Celebration. Now, hopefully with this book, I’m gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, the retarded don’t rule the night. They don’t rule it. Nobody does. And they don’t run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don’t lock eyes with ’em, don’t do it. Puts ’em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming “No, no, no” and all they hear is “Who wants cake?” Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.”

        1. “…Open wider.”
          Can I use the cake to wipe my dog’s ass first?

      2. muted

        1. Oh come on, that’s some of the funniest prose I read in a while…

          1. Then you don’t read much…

      3. Does your birthing-person know you talk like that?

  3. “In doing so, Mitch McConnell asked them to be complicit in his undermining of the truth of what happened”

    Like the truth that the officer wasn’t killed by a blow to the head with a fire extinguisher?

    1. Or that it’s not remotely similar to 9/11, since the only people murdered on January 6 were killed by the people demanding the investigation.

    2. White Mike is still claiming 3 police officers were killed by the riots as recently as this morning.

      1. Well, if “White Mike” says it, it must be the Gospel truth for all non-Republicans.

  4. There are two blatant lies in that headline alone.

    1. Hey, here’s a thought, Reason bootlickers…how about you write a story about how “Doctor” Fauci just got exposed as funding gain-of-function research to China today? He got exposed both in reports he published and on video. That story needs a credible, non-partisan investigation, and I notice that story is entirely absent from your news feeds.

      Oh, right…because Koch Industries doesn’t want you offending their masters in Beijing, with whom they might want to do business someday. Can’t go doing foolish things like blaming them for the pandemic they unleashed on the world.

      1. The superstitious, slack-jawed, bigoted goobers who gave us birtherism, Benghazi, QAnon, and the stolen election are on to Dr. Fauci.

        Stomping these right-wing hayseeds in the culture war continues to be important, enjoyable, righteous work.

        1. “Welcome to Retardation: A Celebration. Now, hopefully with this book, I’m gonna dispel a few myths, a few rumors. First off, the retarded don’t rule the night. They don’t rule it. Nobody does. And they don’t run in packs. And while they may not be as strong as apes, don’t lock eyes with ’em, don’t do it. Puts ’em on edge. They might go into berzerker mode; come at you like a whirling dervish, all fists and elbows. You might be screaming “No, no, no” and all they hear is “Who wants cake?” Let me tell you something: They all do. They all want cake.”

        2. Birtherism – Hilary Clinton campaign material vs B. Obama
          Benghazi – Hilary Clinton Secretary of State oopsie
          QAnon – Hackers who live to create chaos
          Stolen election – 2000 Gore contests election to the Supreme Court
          2016 Sanders contests Clinton getting nomination
          2016-2020 Clinton contests Trump election
          2019 Abrams contests Governor election loss
          2020 Trump contests election loss
          To which are you referring padre?

          1. I’m not sure, but I got the impression it was something *absolutely unprecedented in the hallowed chronicles of American History* or something like that.

            And now, since we have a mute button, I’ll never know.

            La-de-da-de-da…

    2. Bingo. He couldn’t even get past the headline without lying. That’s pathetic.

  5. “The investigations will happen with or without Republicans. To ensure the investigations are fair, impartial, and focused on the facts, Republicans need to be involved.”

    Yeah this is probably the only type of reasoning that will work on Senate Republicans now.

    But I’m not sure why they are so worried about what this report will say. It’s not like Republican voters actually watch mainstream news anymore. Whatever the report winds up saying, they can count on Fox News to properly sanitize it in a way that helps, or at least doesn’t harm, Republican electoral prospects in 2022.

    1. You just said nobody watches mainstream news.
      Who cares what Fox does?

    2. To ensure the investigations are fair, impartial, and focused on the facts, Republicans need to be involved.

      The only way they would be fair, impartial, and focused on facts is if Democrats had no involvement with them whatsoever.

    3. Lol. Shorter jeff. “Join democrat witch hunts so we can pretend they are bipartisan or just let us lie about you anyways “

      1. Republicans refuse to participate in a bipartisan exercise in which major concessions were laid at their feet… and now you’re going to call it a partisan witch hunt.

        Having no ideology but power really frees you motherfuckers up to fuck with language and reality, huh?

        1. “Republicans refuse to participate in a bipartisan exercise in which major concessions were laid at their feet… and now you’re going to call it a partisan witch hunt….”

          Shitstain here sees tossing someone a bone as “major concessions”, but given it’s shitstain, that’s no surprise.
          Further, you’ll notice that this protest (unlike the BLM actual riots) is still labeled as a “riot”; it’s surprising it isn’t labeled a “deadly” riot!

        2. Hahahahaha, Tony thinks it’s libertarians who fuck with language and reality.

          1. Just certain people who call themselves libertarians.

            1. So everybody to the right of Pelosi, shitstain?

        3. Which concessions Tony? Just because the mob let’s you dig your own grave doesn’t make it a neutral process.

        4. Does your birthing-person know you talk like that?

          After seeing white supremacy blamed for black guys assaulting old Asian ladies, I think reality has been fucked with enough for now, don’t you?

      2. I recall a headline from a few months ago:

        “Republicans Block Bipartisan Bill . . . ”

        Um, if the opposition party is against it, how is it bi-partisan, again?

    4. No one will care what the report says because it will be BS regardless of who conducts the investigation in DC.
      Republicans do not want an investigation because talk of it will infect the news coverage for the rest of this year and next. Too many reminders of a terrible day for Heffalumps. MoveOn.org

      1. Dol is still claiming the Mueller report proves russia and trump colluded in the 2016 election.

    5. It would take a lot of effort to crop out Republicans sitting at the table though.

      All they had to do was decline to participate, and now they can shitcan it as a “partisan witch hunt.” Sounds like a win-win from their perspective.

        1. Depends on what you mean by wrong.

          You should not take it as a virtue that fascism is so pliable that it can be for anything, then against it the next day.

          What’s good is investigating an attack on the United States by the cult of the former president. You should find that good. Your precious property rights depend on the United States existing. I don’t know if you get that yet.

          But yeah fascists are good at marketing. Having no principles makes drilling into people’s lizard brains and making them hate the undesirables pretty fucking easy.

          1. “But yeah fascists are good at marketing”

            Indeed. Democrats are good at selling their message.

          2. That means a lot coming from someone who thinks whatever democrats tell him to.

            1. Democrats and I both believe in FUCKING FACTS. That’s what’s going on here.

              Giving yourself permission to discard literally any fact you don’t like means you will start to believe some pretty stupid shit, and some pretty evil cunts will make you believe you need to commit genocide.

              You’re not better than a Rwandan. You’re just more educated and have less of an excuse.

              1. No you don’t. You believe a mishmosh of subjective relativistic bullshit.

                The kind of person who thinks free insurance makes people choose less risky behavior, but weirdly, only one kind of insurance.

                You think whitewashing history is bad, as long as it’s not progressive whitewashing, because you’re really a mendacious cunt.

                For whom everything legal is what government wants… except tax loopholes, because why be consistent with BS absolutes?

                When you’ll say “everything is a lie we tell ourselves” and then turn around and say “I’m objective!” Do you not know what words mean, or do you just love cognitive dissonance with a complete lack of self-awareness?

                A person know doesn’t know how he would behave in a different environment, but can explain exactly how all of society will behave in a different environment. And how progressive a mindset: I know all of society better than I know myself! Sure you do. That’s why you have the best ideas, and you’re still smart and right no matter how often you’re dumb and wrong.

                You’re immune to any facts that rub against your philosophy. You’ll claim to love science, and then pull the most trivial excuse out of your asshole when you encounter the first study that shows you wrong about whatever topic you were on a high horse for.

                But, yeah, you’re fact-based. Just a certain set of facts to the exclusion of others and a big dollop of BS. Tell me all about it after you spend a decade undermining all that.

              2. You sound just like white Mike below. Odd.

                1. Tell us more about The Kraken ™.

                  1. Tell us more about the “insurrection”, lying pile of lefty shit.

              3. Well, no. Democrats have no greater belief in facts than the Republicans. I understand that believing that helps you maintain your smug superiority.

                Truth is pretty much all of our politicians have no sense of shame which frees them from even brief consideration of facts.

                1. No, facts are what’s found in scientific papers. When was the last time Marjoie Taylor Greene read a scientific paper, do you suppose?

                2. There really is a shared reality. There really is absolute truth.

                  It used to be the left that was mocked for believing in a bunch of relativistic hooey. Not republicans live full time in a fun house mirror universe where things you just saw with your own two eyes is not to be believed, but the word of a life long con man is gospel.

                  1. “…There really is absolute truth…”

                    Correct, and that is a mystery to you and shitstain, among other lefty shits who lie here.

              4. Democrats and I both believe in FUCKING FACTS.

                I’d have called it distorting, misrepresenting, and (when necessary denying facts, but if prefer to describe it as fucking them, that’s fine with me.

              5. Democrats don’t believe in biology.

                They want to dictate that fully vaccinated people continue to wear masks.

                Democrats insist that antifa rioters are ‘just an idea’.

                You do not believe in facts or science unless it suits your purpose. It’s obvious to everyone but you and your team. Take that ‘party of science’ crap and shove it.

              6. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f4P0cI7M9U

                “We choose ‘TRUTH’ over facts.”

                That’s your muppet.

              7. Yet your non-stop reeeee!!!ing about the fascist, police-state Trump never actually got him to send troops to cities suffering from violent mobs, crime, arson and looting*. Never happened. A few weeks after Biden gets in, it’s troops and barb wire around the Capitol.

                *-btw, a person “fucking with reality” might call them “largely peaceful protests, groups of concerned citizens, police failure to enforce campfire policy and restorative equity” or some shit.

                1. He literally sent agents of the state to commit violence against constitutionally protected protesters multiple times.

                  1. You’re an idiot – sending federal law enforcement officers to specifically protect federal buildings is well without federal jurisdiction.

                    And last I checked – firebombing, arson, murder, trespassing, and more are not constitutionally protected, but actually illegal.

          3. Here we see To y try to paint anyone but himself and his fellow Democrats as fascist, all while completely ignoring the history of the Democratic Party since FDR, if not Wilson.

            1. What the fuck does history have to do with anything?

              Fascism is what people do. I’m not trying to overthrow any elections, that’s you people. I’m not trying to install a vindictive mentally ill racist in power against the will of the people, that’s you.

              I’m not passing laws giving school officials license to do a “genital check” on children to prevent trans girls on girls sports teams. That’s Florida.

              1. Shorter Tony: “I am not claiming to support the concept of girls sports in schools. Fuck ’em”

                1. So you favor government genital checks of children.

                  See this is why you people need to be stopped. You have no mental discipline not to take your cultural biases to their most extreme and repulsive conclusions.

                  1. This is not “fucking with reality”, you gaslighting piece of shit?

                    If somebody’s in the school system, and they’re male, they don’t have to do a “genital check” (which I’m pretty sure is just something that appeared in your brain during an especially fevered whackoff session you sick fuck). You are making shit up, “fucking with reality” as you claimed some OTHER PEOPLE do in an above post.

                    Guess if it makes sense to you, you go ahead and post it, but that seems to be an awfully low bar.

                  2. So, again, do away with women’s sports? Got it.

                    1. Those are the only two options?

                      Yes, do away with women’s sports. There is no burning social need for agents of the state to check children’s genitals for political correctness.

                    2. Yes Tony – if you allow men to participate in women’s sports, they are no longer “women’s” sports. By definition moron they wouldn’t be women’s sports any longer.

                2. gross

  6. But would the commission the Democrats have proposed actually produce a “credible and non-partisan investigation”? I’m skeptical.

  7. “Why don’t the Republicans want a credible nonpartisan investigation of the Capitol riots?” you rhetorically ask. I answer in the same vein, I don’t know, they’ve never been presented with one?

  8. Why does sullum think it would be credible? 6 committees are already looking at it. Hundreds of hours of video exist. Yet the biggest outcome so far is government declaring the shooting of an unarmed person was fine and dandy.

    What do you think a committee spending millions of dollars on top of what the doj and fbi spe t would do?

    And if you are for this why not all riots, why only one of them?

    1. Because this wasn’t a riot, this was an insurrection. This was an attempt to stop the democratic process set forth in the Constitution. All violence must be condemned but this was not just a bunch of upset people expressing frustration in an unacceptable manner. This was a group of people attempting to take away the rights of democratic people to elect their leader.

      1. Can you name one other weapon free insurrection in history? Ones that lasted under an hour?

        I know you are a partisan and all, but using terms as such just proves you’re an idiot.

        1. “I know you are a partisan and all, but using terms as such just proves you’re an idiot.”

          I’m overdosing on irony.

          1. What irony? It’s obvious M4E doesn’t know what insurrection means.

      2. “…this was an insurrection…”

        We all know this slimy piece of shit as a TDS-addled asshole, but you’d think he would have learned to spell “protest” by now.

      3. You’re a very weak, facile, vacuous idiot. The democrat elite can fill you with whatever narrative and talking points they chooses and you puke it back at free thinking people.

        1. If it’s partisan talking points vs. partisan talking points, who gets to decide who’s right?

          I take it things like encyclopedias and dictionaries are blackballed as subversive reference books.

          1. Shitstain is either too stupid, drunk or dishonest to understand “non-sequitur”.

          2. I take it things like encyclopedias and dictionaries are blackballed as subversive reference books.

            They sure are, by leftists just like you trying to change the definition of things like “women” in women’s sports and traitorous and insurrection and the list goes on…

      4. Because this wasn’t a riot, this was an insurrection

        This was no more an “insurrection” than the Kavanaugh protesters were. The protesters were unarmed and were let into the capitol. Their objective was to stop the certification to allow audits, not to overthrow the government.

        There are questions that ought to be answered, like whether there were agents provocateurs and why Pelosi refused additional security, but a commission won’t answer those.

        1. “There are questions that ought to be answered, like whether there were agents provocateurs and why Pelosi refused additional security, but a commission won’t answer those.”

          Oh? No questions for how a mob formed at the ex president’s rally then went on to attack the capitol and attempt to prevent the transition of presidential power? Mmmk.

          1. No questions for how a mob formed at the ex president’s rally then went on to attack the capitol and attempt to prevent the transition of presidential power? Mmmk.

            We don’t need a commission for that, we already know that that is not what happened. The protests at the capitol was planned long before Trump’s speech (this was companies used to justify banning Gab and Parler), and the participants left Trump’s speech before it was finished.

            The protesters were unarmed so they weren’t equipped to “prevent” anything. There is no reason to believe that they wanted to do anything other than what the Kavanaugh protesters did two years earlier: be heard.

            Any other suggestions for what the commission might “investigate”?

      5. If right-of-center people decided to actually rebel, it wouldn’t be a one day event that was over in an hour and involved no firearms.

        1. It would involve a lot more heart attacks and strokes, too. Rednecks sure have gotten fat in this country.

          1. You are a dunce every day of the week, DoL. Why don’t you take one off?

            Happy Memorial Day.

            https://twitter.com/BenFranklinMD1/status/1398651256282009605

      6. It was an insurrection as much as Covid was a threat to the human population of the planet. I.E.: It requires substantial hysterical hyperbole to even create such a claim, and some degree of mendacity or mental illness to present it as fact.

      7. “Because this wasn’t a riot, this was an insurrection….”

        This particular piece of lefty idiocy assumes an “insurrection” can be carried out by “insurrectionists” armed with ny-ties.
        It is sad that, regardless of the depths of stupidity exhibited here, there are others at least as stupid.
        Further, given the adolescent level of idiocy evident here, this assholic example claims to be ‘retired’. We can only assume such mediocrity got to retirement as a result of slopping at the public trough.

    2. Why does sullum think it would be credible?

      Who knows what’s going on in Sullum’s head. What did the average Pravda writer think about the crap they wrote?

  9. No doubt what happened on January 6th at the Capital was reprehensible. What makes anyone think that the proposed investigation was or had any intention of being nonpartisan or credible. It is foolish to believe that an ” investigation ” of this type would be anything other than partisan, fund raising, bias, and fodder for half truths and slurs. That’s the nature of the entire political/special interests/ media institutional complex.

    1. Just release the 500 hours of footage the doj has. Let interested parties create their own highlight films. No cost. Same outcome.

      1. Good idea. Last time I checked, democrats were running DOJ.

  10. The only thing about January 6th that needs investigating is why the man who gunned down an unarmed woman still hasn’t been indicted for murder.

    1. She weren’t black.

  11. Reminder. This shit is so people like white Mike can continue to lie.

    Mike Laursen
    May.28.2021 at 12:11 pm
    Flag Comment Mute User
    All the coroner said is that he was not directly killed by the rioters. Nobody has said it was non-related.

    The deaths of Sicknick, Liebengood, and Smith are clearly _related_ to the Capitol riots.

    Mike Laursen
    May.28.2021 at 3:14 pm
    Flag Comment Mute User
    _I_ say it was related. Because I am not a partisan hack, and I have common sense, and I can see plain truths.

  12. The Democrats will conduct the investigation — with subpoenas, investigators, and testimony under oath — with or without the Republicans.

    Plus, this is another step toward collapse of the filibuster and wholesale shoving of progress down the bigoted, bitter clingers’ throats.

    The good times keep rolling . . .

    1. In 2022 the worm will turn.

    2. About that filibuster collapse….

      1. Is it my imagination or have the Dems shut up about ending the filibuster, which silence began about the time they were apprised of their 2022 election prospects?

        1. No, they’re pushing it now, though their press organs, spurred by the outrageous failure to pass the Reichstag riot show trial.

  13. This was the best deal the Republicans would have gotten on the investigation. Now it will go to House and Senate committees controlled by the Democrats. It will of course be more partisan but it could also be very effective. And there will be no Bill Barr to throw shade on the investigations results.

    1. It is already at those committees idiot. Shining a piece of shit with a veneer of bipartisanship isnt a deal.

    2. Republicans carrying wood for the Democrats to build a gallows to hang them with would be incredibly stupid.

      1. “…would be incredibly stupid.”

        You’re describing the TDS-addled asshole M4e.

      2. Then they should not support rebellion against the constitution.

        This is just the political equivalent of the GOP pleading the 5th. They could only incriminate themselves, so they won’t bother. They know the truth: the GOP is the party of a traitor cult.

        1. You should stop making a public ass of yourself, if that’s possible.

        2. It’s things like that which make me think you might be a parody….’cause no one in their right mind would ever pen such idiotic BS.

    3. The DoJ could just release the video footage. Nobody is stopping them except Democrats.

  14. “Why Would Republicans Want a Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?

    You must be joking!

    1. Why wouldn’t Democrats want a credible, nonpartisan investigation of the Capitol Riot?

      1. Political fund raising. Bipartisan and credible doesn’t get the same bang for the buck in the campaign and PAC coffers. Media outlets are deprived of clickbait headlines and padding to overnight ratings. Revenue is generated from clickbait and ratings.

        1. Super secret revealed preferences uppercut? No fair!

      2. “We’re going to vote on the Jan. 6 commission in the Senate, and the American people will see where every member stands — on the side of truth or on the side of Donald Trump’s big lie”

        —-Chuck Schumer, May 25, 2021

        https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/555184-filibuster-fight-looms-over-jan-6-commission

        LOL

        They want the Republicans to participate to give the committee a bipartisan veneer. They don’t want a credible, nonpartisan investigation. They want a hyper-partisan report.

        Five of the six Republicans senators who voted in favor of the January 6 commission were:

        1) Bill Cassidy of Louisiana
        2) Susan Collins of Maine
        3) Lisa Murkowski of Alaska
        4) Mitt Romney of Utah
        5) Ben Sasse of Nebraska

        All five of them voted to convict Donald Trump on charges of inciting insurrection.

        Incidentally, who chooses the staff to do the investigation? Isn’t that the job of the committee chair? So, is the investigation done by a Democrat hack, and the Republicans are just there on the committee to react to whatever the staff decide to put on the agenda?

        Are the Republicans on the committee the same five never-Trumpers? What credible Republican wants to face his electorate after sitting on another anti-Trump inquisition? Who else, among the Republican senators wants to volunteer to travel down the same lonely road as Justin Amash and Liz Cheney?

        It’s a hyper-partisan trap to make as much hay of this as the Democrats can. They’ll hold a committee without the Republicans, and the media will make a big deal out of it anyway. November of 2022 can’t come soon enough.

        1. Do the demo even realize they are referencing the holocaust with the big lie term?? Didnt they just condemn MTG for doing that?

          1. When we accuse them of hypocrisy, we often end up repeating their horseshit–and that’s what they want.

            Better to just point and laugh at their stupidity.

            Who’s really dumb enough to believe that this isn’t partisan?!

            Anyone who knows what’s going on here and genuinely believes this isn’t a partisan exercise needs to take a long look in the mirror. Anyone who knows what’s going on and genuinely believes this isn’t a hyper partisan exercise has lost their bearings.

            TDS may have permanently twisted some people’s minds.

            1. It is partisan. The Republican party has declared war on the United States.

              “You’re a demonic semen-stained communist cunt, Nancy Pelosi! Stop being so divisive!”

              I’m fully aware that you’re the type of person to recognize the sneering bullying nihilism that goes well beyond hypocrisy, and then laugh when the rational adults scramble.

              I’m just very sorry you’re so emotionally scarred that this behavior helps fill the hole. Wanna talk about it?

              Breathe in… let your breath collect your fear, and breathe out. Your fear is gone. Dr. Seuss was never in any danger.

              1. “…The Republican party has declared war on the United States…”

                Shitstain is incapable of posting without lying.

                1. Congress hasn’t been breached since 1814.

                  If they were black people and Hillary had sent them, you’d have the entirely opposite opinion you do now.

                  I get actually sad at how stupid you have to be to have absolutely no awareness of your cognitive dissonance.

                  Anyone who thinks in only tribal terms isn’t using his frontal cortex. Like at all.

                  1. On the last century, leftist groups have set off 2 bombs in the halls of congress….

                    1. Which you are perfectly OK with, I take it?

                    2. Jesse’s highest level play: the “both sides”.

                      Have we seen peak “both sides” yet? This is pretty close to the top.

                    3. Shitstain’s and OBL’s best response to being called on bullshit:
                      “we hope you wouldn’t have caught us on our bullshit!”

                  2. “Congress hasn’t been breached since 1814.”
                    Still hasn’t. Congress scum running from un-armed protesters =/= “breached”, does = “political theater”.

                    “If they were black people and Hillary had sent them, you’d have the entirely opposite opinion you do now.”
                    Shitstain is incapable of posting without lying.

                    “I get actually sad at how stupid you have to be to have absolutely no awareness of your cognitive dissonance.”
                    Posts lie accusing me of something I might do; then calls me ‘unaware’ for doing that thing which I haven’t done! Doesn’t get better than that, folks!

                    “Anyone who thinks in only tribal terms isn’t using his frontal cortex. Like at all.”
                    Tell us again about how the Rs should never hold power, shitstain. I was wrong just above: Shitstain has yet to hit peak ‘un-self-awareness’.

                  3. “Which you are perfectly OK with, I take it?”

                    In which you admit to be full of shit and you are perfectly OK with that, we take it?

          2. To be more accurate, the Democrats are behaving like Hitler and Goebbels, accusing their opponents of “the Big Lie” and using an attack on a legislature to justify oppressing their political opponents. It is literally out of the Nazi playbook.

            1. To correct your analogy: the GOP are behaving like Hitler and Goebbels, accusing their opponents of a massive conspiracy that has no basis in reality and using that to justify overturning a democratic election and effectively ending our constitutional republic.

              1. “To correct your analogy: the GOP are behaving like Hitler and Goebbels, accusing their opponents of a massive conspiracy that has no basis in reality and using that to justify overturning a democratic election and effectively ending our constitutional republic.”

                To correct your hyperbolic steaming pile of bullshit;
                You.
                Are.
                Full.
                Of.
                Shit.
                And you should do the world, your family and your dog a favor; fuck off and die. But I guess your dog could simply shit on you now and make it clear.

              2. Sorry, that analogy doesn’t work. The GOP isn’t even alleging a “massive conspiracy”. All the GOP has done is raise the possibility that there may be election fraud in a few heavily Democratic precincts. They could have refused certification over that, but they didn’t even do that.

                No, I’m afraid it’s the Democrats whose actions closely mirror that of Hitler and Goebbels; that’s in addition to a political program closely mirroring 1930’s fascism, and, of course, strong historical connections between American progressivism, the Democratic party, and European fascism. And you fit right in with them.

                1. All the GOP has done is raise the possibility that there may be election fraud in a few heavily Democratic precincts.

                  What like Maricopa County, Arizona? Or Antrim County, Michigan?

                  They are obsessed with there being fraud in any location where the EC votes going to Trump instead of Biden might have given Trump a second term. Any state Trump won, no fraud, no audits! But, of course, they still need to add restrictions and “protections” in those states anyway, just in case!

                  1. The statistics are internally inconsistent, and election procedures were widely changed at the last minute and outside constitutional process.

                    1. This is working like a charm, Ken. This rube is still all lathered, 6 months on.

                    2. De Oppresso Liber
                      May.30.2021 at 11:33 am
                      “This is working like a charm, Ken. This rube is still all lathered, 6 months on.”

                      See the cite to any comment by any one at all?
                      See anything to suggest this lying piece of lefty shit is other than lying and abysmally stoooooooopid?
                      Me neither.

                  2. They are obsessed with there being fraud in any location where the EC votes going to Trump instead of Biden might have given Trump a second term.

                    Yes, that is where fraud is most likely to have occurred, and that is where statistics are abnormal.

                    But, of course, they still need to add restrictions and “protections” in those states anyway, just in case!

                    Correct: US voting procedures are broken and need to be fixed. This is a good time to do it, since it’s on many people’s minds.

              3. Give me a real estimate. How close were those befuddled MAGA hats from taking over the country on Jan 6th? 4 feet? One more grandma taking selfies? If the Capitol Police were understaffed by just 2 more officers, would we be living in a fascist dictatorship?

                You can lie to yourself all you want, but no, that was not an “insurrection” by any real world definition. Even less so than the taking of US territory by the CHAZ in Portland, which they themselves said was an insurrection. But lie to yourself, believe what you say, and oila! it’s real, isn’t it?

                Oh, and for the clincher, tell yourself that’s what some imaginary “alt-right”, “Republican”, “Trumpist” cabal is actually doing. You are trapped in a solipsistic klein bottle, and your go-to retort is “No, u r!”

                Pathetic.

                1. I think the chaz insurrection was in Seattle.

                  C’mon man. People died. Get it right.

  15. “Why Would Republicans Want a Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?”

    They might. But if the democrats are involved, it will be neither credible nor nonpartisan.

  16. Mitch McConnell and most of his fellow Republicans expressed concern about the attempt to assassinate Congress and the vice president in its aftermath, only to quickly realize that they have to support that effort, and the effort to essentially end democracy in America, lest Donald Trump mean tweet at them.

    I don’t know why you people support these spineless psychopaths on policy grounds, but as grown adult humans I don’t know how you ever feel clean enough to fall asleep at night.

    What dumpster residue these traitorous cowards are.

    1. “clean enough”, “dumpster residue”

      Tony thinking of his last rent boy and wondering if bareback was the way to go.

    2. Your over-acting is so tedious.

      1. It actually happened. You remember all those times presidents got their heads blown off? That almost happened to Congress. And it wasn’t a lone gunman, it was fervent supporters of the president who lost an election.

        You’re a frog in boiling water. You need to get it through your head that there is absolutely nothing that makes Americans more super special than residents of some shithole autocracy in Africa. Nothing. It’s only the strength of the constitution that makes is exactly like them. And it ain’t that strong.

        1. Tony, you’ve made your point.

          You had me at “assassins.”

          In reality, some of the most powerful people in the country had to take an unscheduled break for a few hours while their constituents took the floor. It’s healthy for politicians to fear the people every once in a while. That’s a sign that at least something’s working.

          1. No, it is not healthy. Do you know what healthy means?

            People who shoot politicians are almost never interested in democracy or your preserving your property rights.

            I’d rather have Hillary Clinton’s left testicle as dictator than any one of you fact-free lunatics, including the ridiculous monstrosity you people think was a good president.

            Kathy Griffin made a first-amendment-protected political statement about Trump and he ruined her life, personally. Which side of “make politicians afraid” did you fall on that deal?

            1. wow, calling for decapitation of the president is “first amendment protected political statement” yet Trump saying ‘mean things on Twitter’ isn’t? And if you’re defending nutbar Kathy Griffin, you certainly have no credibility on what ‘healthy’ is. And how about those people who shot at Republicans on that baseball field, or attacking Rand Paul physically, or imposing their suppression that first amendment you like to dry hump?

              1. That it was first-amendment-protected is a fact on the books.

                Trump not only has a first amendment right to be mean, he used to have access to a briefing room with every major network ready to broadcast his every brain fart. You find victimhood in odd places.

                Twitter, a private company, is of course under no obligation to publish his treasonous mob-inciting lies. If he were just some black thug on the street you wouldn’t care about his Twitter access. But no black thug on the street adopted a “infect everybody” strategy for a pandemic, so I know who I’d invite over for tea first.

                1. lol – you’re too much – if Trump isn’t assassinating all of Congress through unarmed protestors, he’s killing them with COVID.

                  lmao – best laugh I’ve had in a long time.

                  Thank you

            2. Poor Kathy. I shed a tear for her every day for how she was cancelled by media companies. Unfortunately, the first amendment only limits the government, not private entities.

              I wasn’t really on a side for that one. Sure, Trump was a dick, but Kathy committed the crime of not being funny. No one wants to go back to look at that picture anymore, and no one thought it was worth saving Kathy’s career. It’s really not Trump’s fault that she’s boring comedian and a bad actor. She’s not entitled to a show because she made a weird gross statement about Trump.

              Anyway, democracy is just a way for a group of people to make decisions. All that matters is what decisions it makes, since that’s what’s enforced. And congress doesn’t have its hands clean when it comes to violence in society. If someone feels strongly against them, why should they decide to treat them better? Because of some allegiance to a constitution that allows them to be abused?

              I don’t know the answer. I just assumed that you’ve figured it call out, so you can explain it to me. Go ahead.

            3. Kathy Griffin was not cancelled by anyone in government. It’s not a 1st amendment issue. It could be considered ‘censorship’, but it could also be considered ‘marketing’.

              Also, she hasn’t been funny for about 20 years. So that probably didn’t help.

              1. Kathy Griffin was targeted and canceled by the president of the United States, and every single one of you motherfuckers thought that was a good thing.

                1. The president doesn’t have the power to cancel anyone.

                  The idea that CNN canceled her because that’s what Trump wanted is to be completely oblivious to the facts around CNN and Trump.

                  You can google about this.

                  If you think this is fact-based thinking, then that explains a lot. “Fact-based” and “making shit up that makes sense to me and my preconceived biases” are not the same thing.

                2. She was not.

                  I did not cheer her being removed from the New Year’s Eve crapapalooza or even really care about it one way or the other. She posted a bad joke. Lots of people make bad jokes. I don’t care about that either.

                  You are a moron living in an alternate reality. So why bother?

                3. Haha. Yeah. Kathy griffin became toxic to mainstream media and entertainment because trump didn’t like her. Such was msm’s and Hollywood’s loyalty to orange man.

                  Do you even listen to yourself?

                  1. Other entertainers did pretty much exactly the same gag. They were all male, of course, and not directly targeted by Donald Trump via Twitter.

                    You people are the ones who are supposed to care about people being canceled.

                    I think you’re the cancelers. I think you’re the ones who want to dominate culture and force people to adopt your worldview.

                    1. That’s because you’re stupid.

                    2. Name the other people and provide links or STFU

        2. you’re talking about that baseball field where the Republican Congress reps were shot at right? Because that didn’t happen at the Capitol, no matter how much AOC wants to claim it.

        3. Are you talking about the demcorat who opened fire on scalise and other Republicans at a baseball field?

        4. “You remember all those times presidents got their heads blown off? That almost happened to Congress.”

          …by unarmed people invited inside by Capitol Police?

          1. How do heads get blown off with ny-ties?

    3. the attempt to assassinate Congress and the vice president

      At least the riot gave us excellent idiot markers. There’s always a silver lining.

      1. Have you seen any footage or read anything about this event?

        1. Yes. What little the doj has released. They are holding onto 500 hours of footage. Ask yourself why.

          1. Probably the same reason cops always keep some evidence secret.

            You can propose all the fantastical fairy tales you want to fill in the supposed gaps in your knowledge, but I’m not about to explain to you how evidence works, because we’re adults.

            We all know what happened because Trump is out there every day still falsely claiming the election was rigged. You yourself aren’t even aware that it’s a total lie.

            1. Ken is though. And he thinks it is perfectly moral to convince his more naive fellow travelers of a gross lie.

              1. Unlike you, (and shitstain) I’ve yet to see a lie from Ken; I’m calling bullshit from a lying piece of lefty shit.
                Got one? Let’s see it, asshole.

                1. ^”his more naive fellow travelers”

                  1. Believing you to be a lying pile of lefty shit, you made a claim. I pointed out that you are, more than likely, that lying pile of lefty shit, but gave you the opportunity to prove me wrong by offering just one cite to back your claim. You claim to “know Ken lies” (plural), but you didn’t even have to prove more than one, just one. Instead, we get:

                    “^”his more naive fellow travelers””

                    24 hours later, and the best you can do is sling more bullshit, asshole?
                    Did you spend time planning how to prove you are, indeed, a lying piece of lefty shit? Or are you simply too fucking stupid to understand that you accomplished exactly that? Or (more likely) both?
                    Are you now surprised to be held in the (proper) contempt as the lying piece of lefty shit you’ve proven to be?
                    If so, why? Go ahead, we can understand one-syllable words, and we further understand your ‘limits’.

                  2. Another twelve hours of silence from steaming pile of lying lefty shit!

    4. uh no, it’s because it’s a cooked up-story and the media won’t be honest at all in their presentation of the investigation, and will try to railroad the reveal of the real culprits behind it, which were the Dems.

    5. Impressive assassination attempt. A small group of unarmed protestors going against armed guards without any plan or organization. Almost every photograph and video taken inside the Capitol showed people milling about taking photographs. The worst done was a bit of shouting and the theft of one laptop. There was a total of one person who died that wasn’t from stroke or heart attack, and that person was shot by security.

      If you’re going to exaggerate, at least make it believable. Calling it an assassination attempt goes from absurd to insane.

      1. That’s shitstain; his acquaintance with reality is accidental at best.

    6. “…the attempt to assassinate Congress”??
      HAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHA!! OMFG! Hilarious. We saw the fucking video. You contention does not reflect reality. Like, at all.
      The closest any Congressperson has come to being assassinated is Steve Scalise. And maybe Rand Paul.

      You are disconnected from the actuality of events almost entirely. I find it interesting that you still can produce coherent sentences. You’re like Phineas Gage, man. Considerable portions of your brain are clearly gone, but what’s left still works, sort of.

      1. Hey, somebody told shitstain that the guy with the horns claimed he could assassinate people with ny-ties!
        You gonna believe shitstain or your lyin’ eyes?!

  17. If this “insurrection” had happened anywhere else except at the capitol, we most likely would have forgotten about it by now.
    The response from folks on both sides of the aisle are predictable. It’s all about politics.

    Sigh. Move on.

    1. Calling the Jan 6 false flag attack by Antifa an “insurrection” by the right was part and parcel of the year-long Big Lie that the ongoing arson and looting by BLM/Antifa terrorists was not an insurrection. The militia, both organized and not, had a duty to shut the terrorists down and didn’t even try. Investigate that, if you’re honest. You’ll find the Democrat leadership behind every bit of it.

      1. Just for the record: the “quotations” around the word “insurrection” were meant to indicate sarcasm.

  18. By calling the election dispute phony, the writer discredits himself and the rag that publishes him.

    Reason used to be honest and pro-freedom. Now it’s turned to crap.

    1. Hollywood has turned us into sheep. There are no sneering villains. There are people whose brains are full of lies instead of thoughts, and who think they’re doing the right thing.

      The reason you won’t provide any credible evidence of your claim is not that you’re trying to deceive people. It’s that you’re uneducated and don’t know how to find information despite having access to the entire library of human information.

      1. fool, the Arizona they’re finding ‘Shades of Hillary’ with all the database deleting the Dems did. You’re like Max Shrek in Batman Returns, shredding documents. How’s the quote go? “A lot of tape and a little patience make all the difference.”

        1. Then surely you can link me to some credible evidence. Or forward it to the justice department.

          Look, I realize that your core problem is stupidity. But you might feel better if you realize that it doesn’t matter what shenanigans happened in which voting booth. Biden is legally the president. I saw him get sworn in. You can’t undo that without impeachment & removal or setting fire to the constitution.

          I’m sure either will suffice for you.

          1. So far the audits that have already occurred have uncovered over 10k votes that were counted incorrectly.

            1. Even if the final outcome was correct and there was not reasonable fraud, the actions of the media and Democratic party were written almost as if scripted to look like there was significant fraud that was being covered up.

              Questions were immediately shot down without attempts to be answered. It seemed to outside observers (I’m meaning British sources) like the media was happy Trump lost and wouldn’t accept any questions.

            2. So what legal mechanism do you propose to overturn the election?

              1. If it were shown, there’s a document called The Constitution which might have something to say about that.
                But given your posts, it’s quite obvious that your mental abilities are of such limitation as to prevent your comprehension of the document beyond “the” and “and”.
                Fuck off and die, pathetic piece of lefty shit.

                1. And what does the constitution say about this?

                  1. OF course, our resident constitutional ignoramus would find that a mystery:
                    “The Elections Clause is the primary source of constitutional authority to regulate elections for the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate. The Clause directs and empowers states to determine the “Times, Places, and Manner” of congressional elections, subject to Congress’s authority to “make or alter” state regulations. It grants each level of government the authority to enact a complete code for such elections, including rules concerning public notices, voter registration, voter protection, fraud prevention, vote counting, and determination of election results. Whenever a state enacts a law relating to a congressional election, it is exercising power under the Elections Clause; states do not have any inherent authority to enact such measures…”
                    https://constitutioncenter.org/interactive-constitution/interpretation/article-i/clauses/750

        2. fool, the Arizona they’re finding ‘Shades of Hillary’ with all the database deleting the Dems did.

          Is this supposed to be parody? Maricopa County is run with a 4-1 Republican majority on the council, and the Republican county recorder that won in November and started on the job in January has been blasting this lie among all of the others floating about the “audit”. Trump tweets about the database being deleted, then that recorder responds about how he was looking at that database on his screen at that moment. It was CyberNinjas or whoever not knowing where to look and jumping to a ridiculous conclusion.

          1. Almost as ridiculous as your wide-eyed claims of the ‘impartiality’ of the ‘investigation’ below.
            Or did you hope not to get busted?

          2. Is this supposed to be parody? Maricopa County is run with a 4-1 Republican majority on the council

            So? They will do the audit, document it, and produce their evidence. That’s the way an adversarial legal system works.

            then that recorder responds about how he was looking at that database on his screen at that moment. It was CyberNinjas or whoever not knowing where to look and jumping to a ridiculous conclusion.

            So you’re saying the process is working?

  19. It’s hardly a relevant question since a credible non-partisan investigation is not possible.

    1. It’s hardly a relevant question since a credible non-partisan investigation is not possible.

      If you’ve made up your mind already about what happened, then sure, you’re not going to believe that any other answer is possible.

  20. “Leader McConnell and Senate Republicans’ denial of the truth of the January 6th insurrection brings shame to the Senate. Republicans’ cowardice in rejecting the truth of that dark day makes our Capitol and our country less safe.”

    With all due respect, Madame Speaker, it appears you already know the truth, so why waste the taxpayers’ money on an unnecessary investigation?

    1. Give her some credit for putting a half-dozen instances of “begging the question” into the one short statement. But her gift for confabulation has shifted into very high gear recently.

  21. it’s better for the party if any further interest in those subjects can be easily dismissed as blatantly partisan.

    You can identify the closet Dems by noting who describes all Rep actions as political maneuvering while pretending the Dem push for a commission is anything other than political maneuvering.

  22. The protest was mostly peaceful. The only people who were really hurt were the protestors. Sometimes the people have to rise up and make the powerful uncomfortable.

    I really don’t see why we have to waste time letting democrats pretend they have standards.

    1. Now tell us about Black Lives Matter.

      1. I think you should tell us, because your explanation should be hilarious, and I expect it involves tail feathers.

      2. Oh that’s totally different.

        There were a lot more injuries, deaths, and property damage from them.

        1. So you think powerful people should have the fear of death in them, to keep them honest, but only when white people do it?

          Sorry, I mean only when there’s a guarantee of no property damage?

          Slip of the finger.

          People died at the capitol, and people shit in the capitol, and they were there to turn the US constitution into confetti.

          Coming down on their side in this horseshit competition makes you a racist monster, and that’s pretty much all there is to that.

          1. no, you have it backwards. Most people at Jan 6 rally were there to keep the Constitution FROM being shredded by the coup-placed Biden and the Democrats. Congratulations, dhimmi, you sold out the US. The same people causing ‘chaos’ at the capitol were the same Democrats acting like N@zis the night before they attacked *as* AntiFa the next day. Richard Spencer works for CNN and voted Biden, buddy. Your dog has been wagged.

            1. If it’s going to be a civil war based on your brain being filled with absurd lies, don’t you think you’d rather have all the PhDs on your side instead of just gameshow hosts?

              1. lol – since when is having a PhD mean you have correct political opinions? That’s just fucking stupid.

          2. So you think citizens are allowed to be terrorized but not government?

          3. Of course I’m a racist monster because I realize the fact that the BLM riots killed more people, destroyed more property, and did more damage than the Capitol Hill riot. Also threatened more governments, BTW.

            That’s why you’re so fact-based, Tony: because you scream “racist!” at facts you don’t like.

            1. BLM didn’t riot anywhere. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

              You’re equating opportunistic looting during protests, by unknown or outside people, with the ideology of the BLM movement. That is false. That is a misconception. That is your problem to fix.

              The Trumpers actually had an ideology that, to this day, is intent on overthrowing the election of 2020. And they’re all going to try to do it again.

              And you’ll probably be OK with it, because of the media you consume.

              1. You can google “BLM riot” and see the hits.

                If you think quibbling about details of the riot makes the riot go away, them you’re just proving my point: you’re immune to facts. I’m sure it must look like everyone who disagrees is struggling with facts. But that must be that you’re obvious to your own bullshit.

                Or, more likely, you’re a mendacious cunt.

                That’s fine, but I refuse to live in your fantasy world.

                1. Here, I’ll do some of the hard work for you: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.axios.com/riots-cost-property-damage-276c9bcc-a455-4067-b06a-66f9db4cea9c.html

                  “ The vandalism and looting following the death of George Floyd at the hands of the Minneapolis police will cost the insurance industry more than any other violent demonstrations in recent history, Axios has learned.”

                  $1-2 billion in damage. Worst in the country’s history. “Mostly peaceful” my ass.

                  I’m sorry, but those are the facts. You don’t have to like them, or even concede them. But if you want to be fact-based, you need to address them in some way beyond pulling excuses out of your ass.

                  1. I understand that democrats hate insurance companies, but they are on the hook here for temper tantrums to the tune of $1-2 billion of damage to people’s lives.

                    You could just say, “Thanks!”

                2. I’m not talking about anyone committing property damage. That happens every day.

                  I’m talking about an organized effort to overthrow the government I pay taxes to.

                  Do you like your house? Do you want to keep it? You better figure out quickly that natural property rights aren’t a thing.

                  1. You brought up BLM and the riots. It wasn’t my idea. If your not making a comparison to the $1-2 billion in damage they did, what are you talking about?

                    If you’re really scared of “the overthrow of your government”, then you’re terrified of things that are not going to happen. If the point is moralization about it, then proceed to explain your moral position. Otherwise, I don’t see the point.

                    Is $1-2 trillion in damage better than making congress take a break for a few hours, and if so, why?

              2. “BLM didn’t riot anywhere…”

                That would be ‘Nowhere’ OR, ‘Nowhere’, MN, ‘Nowhere’ MI and many other ‘Nowheres’, but don’t expect shitstain to ever admit that. Like Misek and the Holocaust, no facts are about to pierce that wall-of-stupid.

            2. No, Tony LIKES those demonstrations because they threatened normal citizens, cost them jobs, etc. THAT, he approves of.

              He’s all aflutter at the prospect of Congresspersons being mildly inconvenienced. though. There were protesters (or, in Tony’s mind, murderous revolutionaries) in a nearby building. It was a subjective judgement that Congresscritters should evacuate. None of them came close to being harmed. To Tony, somehow, this translates to the mass murder of our democratically-elected representatives and replacing them with MAGA-hat-wearing yahoos.

              He consumes media that tell him BLM is blameless in the rioting, violence, arson and looting that occurred, just coincidentally, near where their peaceful protests happened. He is forced, not by observation, logic or reality, but by the need for narrative consistency, to pretend it was some kind of “outsiders” that were doing all this.

              And then he pretends WE are misguided by the media we consume?

              Do you know what a fucking clown you are, Tony? Or do you just tell yourself “No! They’re the clowns!!”

              1. Yeah, it’s a telling look into Tony’s thought process that he equates the summer of riots with “making the powerful uncomfortable”.

                Like the business and property owners in the violence zones? Anyone more successful than tony is “powerful” and deserves hostility. And he has plenty o’ that.

                Sad.

                1. Only psychopathic morons on the right are equating the two, and they’re doing it for nakedly partisan mind-fuckery purposes. They just aren’t the same thing. In fact, you can condemn both if you like.

                  How about you start with condemning the thing I’m talking about, which isn’t property damage or even violence against people, which happen every day, to your total oblivious unconcern.

                  I’m talking about the ongoing attempt by the former president to overthrow the United States government. Let’s stick to that subject, because nobody but racist cunt blowhard lunatics think BLM has anything to do with that.

                  1. $1-2 billion in property damage from riots isn’t “everyday.”

                    Stop being disingenuous.

                    1. “…Stop being disingenuous.”

                      Well, it’s one of a limited menu:
                      1. Stupid
                      2. Dishonest
                      3. Dissembling
                      4. Misdirecting
                      and one or two more mendacious alternatives.

                  2. I’m talking about the ongoing attempt by the former president to overthrow the United States government.

                    lol – is the “insurrection” still ongoing little buddy? Point on the doll where the traitors touched you.

                    Idiot.

      3. what about them? BLM were the ones in there actually rioting on Jan 6th. There’s video evidence they were on the inside. One of them was actually arrested.

        1. Let me know when you start believing stuff about the Jew conspiracy.

          1. It’s the Chinese behind it who will take over after the revolution. They will start by invading Hawaii and invade the west coast from there. The Patriots and proud boys under the one true leader will defend from the east and Rocky Mountain states. Along with the Wolverines.

            1. Don’t think so.

              Oh! That’s something stupid you made up to pretend YOUR ENEMIES think! Well, ya got the stupid part right.

      4. Dramatically more violent, dramatically more destructive, and dramatically more lethal.

        I will happily punish everybody you wish from 1/6…once we deal with the riots from 2020. But, uh, you do not seem to want to do that.

        1. The Portland thugs are thugs but not stupid thugs. They didn’t do their rioting in broad daylight, no face covering, in a place with security cameras everywhere, taking selfie’s and posting it on Facebook. Then pissing off the Feds which is like shooting the wife of the biggest mobster in America. Idiots.

          The Portland thugs mask up, do their damage at night and fade away. They wear similar clothing. They are loosely organized in small groups. They just have local law enforcement and prosecutors to deal with. You couldn’t catch and prosecute them all. Some of them must have read Mao on how to be a successful guerrilla.

        2. Remember what happened in The Godfather when the rival gang tried to come after the Don and the cop roughed up Michael?

          That is what happened in DC.

      5. If an unarmed BLM protestor had been shot by police on public property, how many other cities would have been burned in the days and weeks that followed?

        1. Hard to say. Riot season in America generally starts in late summer right around hurricane season. Random shooting season is year round though.

  23. No such thing as an “independent investigation” in DC. McConnell is a boob and a hack, but he isn’t stupid.

  24. “Trumpian election fantasy that motivated it”
    What like the ‘Trumpian Wuhan lab fantasy’? The more these pretentious journos sneer like they’re high and mighty, the better it’ll be when the karma comes back and hits them. Sadly tho, in reality, a lot of them will be able to slither past the hammer.
    Besides, everyone knows the media has been completely dishonest and that the ‘pandemic lockdown’ was to coup the election for Biden (which succeeded) in order to bring financial collapse of the US for the global ‘Reset’ (which also succeeded) – first with $6T in ‘COVID recovery stimulus spending’ and now with a $6T year budget, pushing it up to $12T in spending in his first 4 months. I thought we’d hit $50T by the end of his (or rather Kamala’s) 2nd term, but that might be his parting gift when he passes away next year, hitting $50T in spending by his second year. Which of course WILL cause financial economic ruin to the US.

  25. How about a credible, bi-partisan probe into the 2020 elections? Most Republicans, rightly or wrongly, believe the election was stolen.

    Wouldn’t it be more important to hold hearings on that, something almost half the country believe was rigged, as opposed to hearings and an investigation about a few hundred people taking selfies in congress?

    1. Get your head straight because this is straight up treason.

      We don’t investigate absurd lies people believe. We investigate facts, like how so many people were convinced Tom Hanks runs a global pedophile ring from a pizza shop.

      Scientology looks like an ancient, sober tradition compared to the stuff Trumpers believe. What should be investigated first are the violent treasoners, then the medical condition of Trumpers.

      1. Youre in a thread arguing for an investigation into a weapon less protest and declaring it an insurrection…

        1. I dunno those horns looked pretty dangerous. Could have gored somebody in the melee.

          1. Note to self: When in a largely peaceful protest, protect your melee.

            1. From armed cops. E seems to find that amusing.

      2. “Get your head straight because this is straight up treason.”

        Asinine assertions from steaming piles of lefty shit incapable of posting without lying =/= evidence or argument.
        Fuck off and die.

      3. What should happen first is the ongoing BLM riots that have already done $1-2 billion in damage should be stopped.

        Then, we can let politicians waste time grandstanding for cameras about a few hours of protest that ended almost six months ago and only inconvenienced themselves.

        Assuming they can pull their heads out of their asses and realize this isn’t all about them.

      4. “Get your head straight because this is straight up treason”

        Golly, whatever happened to the pussy-hat-wearing, “Not-my-president”, “Dissent-is-the-highest-form-of-patriotism”, “Resistance” warrior Tony?

        He morphed into a “America love it or leave it” type so quickly, that one might think that he was actually a hypocrite and a demagogue.

        1. Hypocrite? Demagogue? Huh.
          MY theory was that he had a steel rod jammed through his brain, destroying his ability to reason, leaving only the ability to assert things.

          He can produce grammatically correct sentences, with properly spelled words, but his self-awareness is gone.

    2. The Dems would be wise to avoid an investigation into the Jan 6th election certification protests. Right now they own the narrative (“it was a deadly insurrection”). If they start going through the actual facts the narrative might start to fray a bit.

      1. Nobody on their side is interested in facts. They are too busy claiming nobody on the other side is interested in facts, or in disputing the existence of facts, or claiming that imaginary things are facts*.

        *-ref. Adam Schiff’s waving at his magic “report” and claiming it was full of “evidence”. He repeated this dozens, maybe hundreds of times…but somehow, that was the only response to requests for the “evidence”. “There’s lots of it. Overwhelming evidence!”
        And sadly, there are people so feeble-minded, or so eager to believe there actually WAS evidence, or just so OLD, that they repeated this claim. I had an old guy, when I pushed back on the impeachment issue, ask me “But what about all the evidence?” When I pressed him to cite a single specific bit of “evidence” he was lost. But he did get mad. Not “Tony” mad, but upset.

        But that’s why they do it. It works.

  26. To Whoever Writes the Headlines:

    “Nonpartisan” is different from “Bipartisan”. Also, the commission staff was apparently going to be completely partisan, something the headline and article fail to note.

    1. Collins reportedly had gotten a verbal commitment to allow an amendment to split the staff, so that’s not completely true. Also, without that amendment, the staff would have been chosen in consultation with the other side, but the lead commissioner would have the final say. That could have resulted in staff that was all one side, but it wouldn’t have to come out that way. The vice chair would have certainly been able to make noise if the staff was entirely one sided. Again, your characterization isn’t completely true.

      1. As opposed to your obviously partisan gullibility, which is bullshit.
        Now, I could be wrong; it might be your stupidity, or perhaps your dishonesty.
        Probably all three; consider yourself busted, lefty shit

      2. If it was ME, I’d oppose it on the grounds that the whole shitshow was nothing more than an excuse to pretend the whole kerfuffle was WAAAY more significant than it actually was. This is ridiculous on the face of it, and only believed by partisan hacks and the mentally ill.

        So, if it was in any way a worthwhile endeavor, then your points about a potentially “fair” composition of the committee would be relevant. But it really isn’t.

  27. Bailey and Sullum throwing red meat into the cage guaranteed to get the Trumpians riled up, thereby boosting the page views and post counts.

    Why do you guys fall for this shit time and time again?

    1. Because Yahoo News shut down their comment sections before the election to stop readers from pointing out the bias and illogic in the articles.

    2. Why are you here adding to the views? TDS?

    3. I think hot celebrity bikini shots would work better but it’s not my website.

      1. Melissa McCarthy in a thong.

        Nah, give me Sullum and Shackford agitating for more government, any day.

        1. Sullum and Shackford in thongs?

          Comment section hardest hit.

  28. Let’s be honest- they know they’re involved and it’d look bad for them. They scream how it was “antifa” and that the insurrectionists were just “tourists” while they’re barricading doors to protect themselves. They know Pence, Pelosi, AOC, etc. would’ve been killed and it would all be gleefully accepted by Trump.

    Not really a good look for your party to be in on an insurrection designed to thwart our 200+ year old republic.

    They know they’re guilty of stoking the fire. Like everything else, they have no spine. They have zero love of country. They want nothing but to keep power and get more of it, no matter the cost.

    They are not patriots- they are cowards and traitors.

    1. I would have for our 200+ year republic to be thwarted by revolution.

      That’s why communists suck.

      1. Ever met a communist? Are you even sure they exist?

        It’s so easy to get you to hate an abstraction. And so easy to turn real people into abstractions.

          1. Are you talking about foreign nationals from nominally communist states (that practice nothing like what Marx wrote), or individuals who slap a label on themselves while they head up to Starbucks to buy overpriced shit coffee and/or sell overpriced shit coffee?

            1. I’ll let you figure out the semantic definition of who the true communist are, and the no true communists. It’s boring.

              BTW, by any educated guess, there are more communists in the US than Nazis. The communists have their own party, you know. You can look it up.

        1. “Ever met a communist? Are you even sure they exist?”

          How minimal an ‘education’ is required to ask such imbecilic questions?
          By the time most kids, even REALLY stupid ones, got to, oh 4th grade in gov’t schools, wouldn’t they be embarrassed to ask bullshit questions like this?

        2. You would know.

    2. “…Not really a good look for your party to be in on an insurrection designed to thwart our 200+ year old republic…”

      this pile of shit sees protestors armed with ny-ties as “insurrectionists”; got to be 5th grade, government school.

    3. They know Pence, Pelosi, AOC, etc. would’ve been killed…

      With what weapons?

      Idiot.

  29. What would be the point? We all saw what happened. A bunch of tourists looking for the gift shop and tickets for the Smithsonian with a black flag Antifa operation thrown in to make them look bad. Right?

    We should all be paying attention to more important matters like the recipe for that delicious bean soup they serve there.

    1 pound dried white navy beans, sorted of debris and rinsed
    1 (about 1-lb.) ham bone or uncured ham hock
    2 1/2 quarts water
    1 large russet potato (about 8 oz.)
    3 cups chopped celery (about 6 stalks)
    3 cups chopped yellow onion (about 3 medium onions)
    1 garlic clove, minced
    3 teaspoons kosher salt
    3/4 teaspoon black pepper
    1/4 cup chopped fresh flat-leaf parsley

    A bill introduced by several Muslim and Jewish members of congress has been introduced to substitute smoked turkey for the ham hocks and is expected to come up for a vote next week.

    1. ” bunch of tourists looking for the gift shop and tickets for the Smithsonian with a black flag Antifa operation thrown in to make them look bad. Right?”

      A more apt description of what actually happened than the insurrection narrative Sullum and the fifty-centers are pushing.
      Nobody brought molotov cocktails, smeared poop on the walls, brought zipties with them, crushed an officer nearly to death in a doorway, or executed policemen with fire extinguishers in your version either.

      1. Pretty much looked like one of the 6th grade class trips to me. After the tour you get back on the bus and they take you to the national zoo.

        1. Compared to the DNC narrative? Absolutely.

      2. They have a new baby panda you know. He is sooo cute. I’m sure a lot of them went there after their visit to the Capitol where they got a chance to actively participate in the democratic process.

        1. So what did they actually do?

          We saw the guards opening fences and gates to let them into the building. The smeared poo, zipties, crushed officer, fire extinguisher, bear spray, molotov cocktail narratives turned out to be lies.
          What made it different from the Kavanagh Confirmation incident or any other Capitol protest last year?

          1. “So what did they actually do?”

            Well, a cop murdered an un-armed protester and has yet to be called on it.

          2. I dunno I’m not a federal prosecutor. I wouldn’t want to meet one in a dark alley at night though.

          3. Whatever they want to call it. The stuff we saw on TV. The level of stupid on a scale of 1-10. Those idiots went to 11.

            1. So the murder of the protester is justified, since you find this worse than the others?
              Care to explain that to the family of the murdered woman? I’m sure they’ll find your ‘measured’ response comforting.

          4. I think they just misheard those accusations. It was goo, hair ties, crushed tomatoes, fire extinguisher (in case of fire), hair spray and Moscow mule cocktails.

            It was a very confusing incident for people. There was a lot of noise and activity going on.

      3. Nobody concealed identity, brought weapons, organized a real attempt to actually, you know, FIND the horribly threatened Congresspersons.

        But that still rises to the level of insurrection?? Smells like bullshit from here.

  30. “Credible”

    On what planet will this commission possess credibility when at least of the members will be rabid GOP haters?

  31. The filthy proles breached the sacred chambers of their betters. There shall be an Inquisition by the officers of the Imperial court, separate and distinct from the Inquest of the Knights of the Department of Justice.

    The proles shall learn to fear their rulers, who wield power by grace of station. The power to rule is bestowed by divine Authority, and its roots derive nourishment not from the treasure and lifeblood of the serfs, but from the holy received wisdom of Philosopher Kings.

    The serfs needs must remember to fear their rulers, as they fear the God from whose omnipotence their Authority is nourished.

    1. It’s not that they’re our rulers, it’s that they’re our representatives.

      I think the Trump cult needs to explain what better form of government they have in mind. Because it sure as fuck seems like that form of government is Trump as dictator and sort out the details later.

      1. “…Because it sure as fuck seems like that form of government is Trump as dictator and sort out the details later.”

        TDS-addled lefty ignoramuses claim that, and in the case of shitstain here, he gets nowhere near to approaching that threshold.

  32. Why Would Republicans Want a Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?

    A more pertinent question is why is Sullum afraid of a credible, nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot?

    Is it because he deliberately lied about what happened so much here? That the obvious results of such an investigation would demand his dismissal for Brown Envelope Journalism?

  33. It was all on Facebook and video.

    What is there to investigate?

  34. Why would Democrats want a credible, non-partisan investigation of the Presidential election?

    Isn’t that what the January 6th protesters were protesting for? To pause the certification of the results until they could be audited?

    And if Trump’s Election Night lead had held up and not disappeared overnight when boxes of ballots were found in Georgia and Wisconsin, and rooms full of harvested mail in ballots (with pro-Biden percentages more in line with California than a toss-up state), woudn’t the other side have been asking for the same thing?

    And if an unarmed pro-Biden election protester would have been shot by police on public property, wouldn’t it be a bigger national story? And how many cities would have burned the next day?

    1. The harvested mail in ballots referring to Pennsylvania of course.

      What happened to the edit button?

    2. So if they declare that neither Trump nor Biden legitimately won does Jo Jorgensen get to be president? She was the third runner up.

    3. There were a lot of credible investigations into the election. The idiot Trumpists like yourself ignored all of them because they didn’t fit what you believe in your brainwashed, America-hating idiocy.

      1. And does it even matter? The election is over and legally declared. Nothing is going to change that. Not even horned painted people.

        This can’t lead to anything good for republicans. The party is fractured. Distrust of the vote and the political system will cause some republicans to stay away.

        It is sheer madness. There is more evidence for the Loch Ness monster than there is for a rigged election.

        1. “There is more evidence for the Loch Ness monster than there is for a rigged election.”

          You are uninformed. There is extensive evidence of serious irregularities in the election.

      2. “…The idiot Trumpists like yourself ignored all of them because they didn’t fit what you believe in your brainwashed, America-hating idiocy.”

        bacchys assures us s/he’s not “left”, so raging, fucking, ignoramus should suffice.

  35. “modeled after the one that investigated the 9/11 terrorist attacks.”

    You mean they will reach their conclusion before they start and then refuse to look at the facts because they fear the truth?

  36. From Mitch McConnell’s perspective, an independent commission can only mean trouble.

    How is that commission “independent”? Independent of what?

    Furthermore, have you read the text of the law establishing the commission? Why don’t we have a commission to determine “when Jacob Sullum stopped beating his wife” or “how many corpses Jacob Sullum has buried in his basement”?

    There is nothing this commission can find that would be of interest to the American people. We know what Trump said and did, we know what the rioters said and did, and their individual actions are going to be documented in court cases. Just about the only remaining question is why Pelosi refused extra security, and I guarantee you, that’s a question the commission won’t address.

    1. Further, it’s highly unlikely that the cop who murdered that woman will face justice.

  37. I agree there is nothing for congress to investigate.

    The UFO thing would be better. That I want to know about.

  38. Reason publishes another article which upsets the inbred Trumpists.

    What a shit Qult they are.

    1. Another leftist with TDS. But fear not: you will likely succeed at destroying this country, and then you’ll have to live with the consequences.

      1. You’re a braindead Trump Qultist, which is easily shown by your stupidity in thinking I’m left.

        I don’t know how stupid someone has to be to think an investigation into your shitstained orange messiah and his moron insurrection is going to destroy this country, but you clearly win that game of limbo.

        1. “You’re a braindead Trump Qultist, which is easily shown by your stupidity in thinking I’m left.
          I don’t know how stupid someone has to be to think an investigation into your shitstained orange messiah and his moron insurrection is going to destroy this country, but you clearly win that game of limbo.”

          I see. You’re not ‘left’, you’re just a fucking TDS-addled ignoramus who can’t spell “protest”?
          In which case, make the world smarter; fuck off and die.

        2. You’re a braindead Trump Qultist

          Sorry, I’m not. I didn’t vote for Trump and I’d prefer that he didn’t run again.

          which is easily shown by your stupidity in thinking I’m left.

          Well, you are supporting the radical left; whether you’re a useful idiot or just lying, I can’t tell. You may not know yourself.

  39. Delusional to believe “Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation of the Capitol Riot” would actually occur.

    1. Why is it delusional to think that it could be credible and nonpartisan when the commission would have equal numbers of members from both parties, promises that they would amend it to have staff approved by both sides, and basically everything that Republicans said they wanted? What you are really saying is that you believe that anyone that calls themselves a Democrat is inherently unworthy due to their partisanship. How much of that is projection? With McConnell essentially saying it straight out that the commission would interfere with trying to win back Congress, Republicans have made it clear that partisanship is foremost in their thinking.

      1. “…equal numbers of members from both parties,…”

        Isn’t that cute?
        Which Rs voted for Trump’s conviction on those parking ticket charges? Which Rs are proposed here?

  40. Ah, Jacob Sullum.

    http://ethicsalarms.com/2021/02/15/presidents-day-ethics-notes-2-15-21-the-little-voice-in-my-head/#comment-742457

    He’s a hypocritical, ignorant moron.

    – Jack Marshall

    That is all that needs to be known about Jacob Sullum in this context.

    1. Sooo…how many corpses DOES Sullum have buried in his basement? Also, didn’t he used to be a libertarian?

  41. Why would Republicans want a clean-energy source powered by rainbow-farting unicorns?

    I mean, as long as we’re talking about events in alternate dimensions…

  42. The lying lefty POS DoL posted this hours ago:
    “Ken is though. And he thinks it is perfectly moral to convince his more naive fellow travelers of a gross lie.”
    I asked for cites from the lying lefty POS DoL
    It should come as no surprise that the lying lefty POS DoL has not responded.
    Lying lefty P’s o S are justly famous for such lies

  43. They had a problem with Trump because he wouldn’t play by the previously established rules of engagement. When the other side wins, even if you are pretty sure it was shady, you are supposed to step aside graciously and say “the people have spoken”.( https://wapexclusive.com/ )Which of course the Lefties didn’t do in 2016. Some Dems tried to stop the certification of those sacred election results, and spun wild Russian interference and voting maching hacking conspiracy theories, and turned to foreign intelligence agencies to gin up fake scandals and launched investigations and impeachment charges and national protests, rather than graciously accepting the results.

  44. Leftists: we need a commission to do an in depth investigation of the capitol riot!

    Also leftists: look into the origins of covid?! That’s racist!

    1. The Biden administration is the only one doing any investigation into the origin of Covid.

      And I think we should look into an armed insurrection against the United States at least as closely as we did a militant attack in Benghazi, Libya, don’t you?

      1. “The Biden administration is the only one doing any investigation into the origin of Covid.”
        Shitstain here is hoping someone here will find that is some sort of commendation for droolin’ Joe.

        “And I think we should look into an armed insurrection against the United States at least as closely as we did a militant attack in Benghazi, Libya, don’t you?”
        Shitstain here has not yet learned how to spell “protest”, and seems to think that ignorance is laudable.
        Shitstain here is pretty fucking stupid.

      2. Which shockingly hasn’t stopped leftists from saying to want to get to the bottom of it is wrong and racist.

        Weird, right?

  45. These endless hearing are what our useless gov has come to.

  46. In writing this comment, I feel as if I am screaming into a void. But scream I must.

    So, libertarians now support censorship on social media (it isn’t the government doing it, so it’s totally fine!), private business mandating vaccines for a largely non-lethal virus (id.), more government investigations into an event that already produced an impeachment and numerous individual trials (do we really think anything new will be revealed through the investigation?), but have NO CONCERN WHATSOEVER if an insurrection targets, say, a police precinct or a federal courthouse.

    What universe am I in? Which pill did I take?

    As far as I can tell, the only people who still want to talk about Trump are the ones who really hate him (the chattering classes and the government) and those who really love him (largely powerless blue collar folks with American flags on their pickup trucks). A lot of us out here are ready for things that are not about the Orange Man. I’m over 1/6, and trying to compare it – even distantly – to 9/11 is a shocking and offensive hyping of the former and oversimplification of the latter. I don’t support Mitch McConnell but I agree that an investigation will only allow the wound to continue to fester and give the public a reason to stay angry and ignore everything else the government is doing.

    LET THE ORANGE MAN GO. HE’S GONE.

    Trump + Covid = the end of rational discourse in America, the end of libertarian skepticism of government power (unless we’re talking about the police), and the end of personal freedom. Even the libertarians are democrats now. I mean they hate spending or something, and they hate the po-leese, and maybe this is all KMW editorial decisions and there are brilliant libertarians ready to write thoughtful pieces but they find no home here.

    Wanna create some new Republicans? Keep pushing Democrat pet projects and hold fast to Trump. Assume that every decision by a Republican in power is driven by Trump (why this assumption that the ONLY FUCKING REASON to oppose the investigation is loyalty to that dipshit?). I’m horrified that I find more rational and thoughtful posts at Instapundit than reason, but this is the world we live in, and I don’t like it.

    This used to be a haven for me, a place to go and see opinions of others who see the world the same way I do. We may not have agreed on details, but we largely supported freedom and wished to limit the scope of government power. Somebody square that with useless government investigations and Covid policy driven by shoddy and politically convenience “Science.”

    I enjoy every moment when these assholes whine about public schools being closed. They supported the initial freak out, so I hope they all have a mirror they can go to and look in it when they wonder why things suck.

    1. “…So, libertarians now support censorship on social media (it isn’t the government doing it, so it’s totally fine!)…”

      I’ll take this one.
      What alternative do you support which does not include government ‘dtctats’?

      1. Nice try, but I didn’t suggest an alternative.

        My point is that libertarians have come to a place where they often support illiberal policies, and that a libertarian’s support for freedom should not be limited to government action. Pushing censorship is dangerous, and legally I grok that it is not unconstitutional for a private company to moderate its own content. But there is also legal precedent for so-called “common carriers” being prohibited from discrimination.

        My point is that libertarian ideals should apply broadly. Libertarians should be alarmed by the trend towards censorship, not vociferously defending it. It is possible to say that yes, it is legal, but it’s also bad.

  47. “The bill contemplated a commission evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, modeled after the one that investigated the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The idea was that its findings would be more broadly credible than the charges underlying Trump’s second impeachment or the conclusions of ongoing congressional investigations led by Democrats”

    Are you stupid, or just dishonest?

    For the Democrats we’ll have Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, and Adam Schiff

    For the Republicans we’ll have Mitt Romney, Lisa Mukowski, and Liz Cheny

    Hey, that’s balanced, right?

  48. Next up, the bipartisan commission to deconstruct false claims of a semantic agression insurrection at PBS

  49. It isn’t TDS, Reason has become left wing, and Sullum is at the vanguard of that shift.

    “O’Sullivan’s First Law: An eternal truth” by John O’Sulliva stated:

    “All organizations that are not actually right-wing will over time become left-wing.”

    The political “law” is often called “O’Sullivan’s Law” and is often stated as “anything that is not actively conservative every day will eventually become liberal.”

    Reason may have started out libertarian, but has definitely crept left over the years.

    1. “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.”

      There, fixed it for you.

  50. As far as I can tell, the only people who still want to talk about Trump are the ones who really hate him (the chattering classes and the government) and those who really love him (largely powerless blue collar folks with American flags on their pickup trucks). A lot of us out here are ready for things that are not about the Orange Man. I’m over 1/6, and trying to compare it – even distantly – to 9/11 is a shocking and offensive hyping of the former and oversimplification of the latter. I don’t support Mitch McConnell but I agree that an investigation will only allow the wound to continue to fester and give the public a reason to stay angry and ignore everything else the government is doing. mp4moviez2

  51. There is almost zero reasons why there should be a big formalized congressional investigation of the events of January 6th. The only reason is that the Elitist Ruling Class were directly targeted by one of the many protests/riots during the past year.

    Why not a congressional investigation of any of the other protests/riots? Many of the protests/riots openly called for tearing down the government and government institutions.

    The tax payer should not foot the bill for a worthless endeavor. When the goal of the investigation is simply a warning shot across the bow by the Elitist Ruling Class to all us minions.

    The issue is that the Elitist Ruling Class feel that they are above the rules and we the minions should be satisfied with what the Elitist Ruling Class allows us to have and do.

    There are many valid reasons for the minions to be upset with the Elitist Ruling Class and the Elitist Ruling Class deserve to feel the heat of our discontent.

    The Elitist Ruling Class divide us to maintain their power, they make law to benefit themselves at the expense of the minions. The Elitist Ruling Class passes laws that we minions are expected to live under, but they are excluded.

    This past year it has become apparent that the Elitist Ruling Class has been testing the limits of how far they can exert their power over us. Under the guise of a pandemic the Elitist Ruling Class has set the foundation that will result in the loss of our individual liberties.

    If we commission an investigation, then we should investigate the Elitist Ruling Class and their abuses of power.

    1. If we commission an investigation, then we should investigate the Elitist Ruling Class and their abuses of power.

      Ah, giving government more power in order to stop the abuse of power by government! That will show those bastards! /sarc

  52. How naive do you have to be to think it would be impartial and non-partisan?

  53. You know this call for an “credible nonpartisan investigation” would be a lot less laughable if the people calling for it hadn’t already impeached the President *before* any such investigation had been made.

  54. Well, gee, Elmer, if Democrats say it’s gonna be a “Credible, Nonpartisan Investigation” then I suppose we’ll have to just take their word for it. They’ve never led us astray before….DER

  55. I like the comments, but so many are inane because people don’t even read the article they then trash. I guess i shouldn’t expect people to actually think. The article is dead on. To quote…
    “ I agree with Pelosi (and McConnell) that Trump’s phony election grievance encouraged his followers to invade the Capitol in a vain attempt to prevent Joe Biden from taking office. I also agree that Trump’s behavior before and during the riot qualified as impeachable conduct. But I still can’t read her statement without rolling my eyes. McConnell may be weaselly and unprincipled, but he’s not dumb.”

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