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New Jobs Report Shows the Government Gets the Unemployment It's Paying For

High unemployment benefits are getting the blame for disappointing job growth in the midst of a worker shortage

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A disappointing new jobs report shows that hiring is down and the unemployment is rate is up, even as wages climb and employers complain about a shortage of workers. That apparent paradox has some policy wonks pinning the blame on expanded jobless benefits that pay workers more than what they could expect to earn working.

The economy added 266,000 jobs in April according to today's report from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), while the unemployment rate ticked up slightly to 6.1 percent, from 6 percent.

These numbers are well below forecasts from economists who predicted that April would see the addition of around 1 million jobs, and the unemployment rate falling to 5.8 percent. The BLS report notes that we're still far away from a pre-pandemic labor market, when the jobless rate sat at 3.5 percent.

Despite persistent levels of high joblessness, other metrics show signs of a labor market that's increasingly tight.

"Even though the pace of hiring was disappointing in April, the labor market has still been behaving as if there was relatively little or even no slack left," wrote economists Jason Furman and Wilson Powell III in a blog post for the Peterson Institute for International Economics, noting that job openings and the number of workers quitting their jobs were at record highs and that wages were growing at 2019 levels (when the country's economy was booming).

Employers, meanwhile, find themselves in increasingly dire straits trying to find new workers. "Hiring remained a widespread challenge, particularly for low-wage or hourly workers, restraining job growth in some cases," reads a Federal Reserve report from April, citing a particularly acute shortage of drivers, housekeepers, and skilled tradespeople.

A Wall Street Journal article from yesterday notes that major employers like Amazon, Walmart, and Target are all raising wages to attract workers, while others are offering gift cards and other perks to entice new hires.

So, what's causing this weird mismatch between labor supply and demand?

Furman and Powell cite three possible explanations: continual health concerns about contracting COVID-19 at work encouraging some people to stay home, school closures keeping parents out of the workforce, and generous unemployment benefits.

The $300 weekly unemployment supplement provided as part of the March-passed American Rescue Plan pays some 42 percent of workers more than what they made at their old jobs, according to a University of Chicago analysis.

That $300 supplement will continue until September 2021. Today's jobs report has business interests calling for ending it now.

"The disappointing jobs report makes it clear that paying people not to work is dampening what should be a stronger jobs market," said Neil Bradley, executive vice president and chief policy officer of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. "One step policymakers should take now is ending the $300 weekly supplemental unemployment benefit. Based on the Chamber's analysis, the $300 benefit results in approximately one in four recipients taking home more in unemployment than they earned working."

The consensus among economists is that high unemployment benefits were not producing high unemployment rates earlier in the pandemic, when there were so few jobs available, health concerns were more acute, and there was greater uncertainty about when the economy would improve.

Workers who found themselves in that precarious situation would jump at any employment opportunity they could find, even if it paid less than unemployment benefits, the thinking went.

The situation today is much different.

Vaccinations and falling cases and deaths should ameliorate many of the health concerns people have about returning to work. A wealth of job opportunities also means people receiving unemployment benefits now won't automatically take whatever work they can find. Instead, they can afford to hold out for higher wages or a job that's a better fit for them.

The aforementioned Wall Street Journal article quotes Lorne Zaman, who was working in the entertainment industry prior to the pandemic and is deciding to wait for more jobs in his old profession to open back up before reentering the labor market.

"I really enjoyed what I did," Zaman said. "If the government is going to pay you to stay home, you're going to do that unless that job you really want comes along."

A quicker pace of reopenings would likely get workers like Zaman off the sidelines. More industries operating with fewer restrictions would create not just more job openings, but a greater variety of jobs. So would cutting current levels of unemployment benefits.

President Joe Biden, at a press conference today, disputed the idea that generous unemployment benefits were behind today's anemic jobs report, citing the number of jobs the economy did post, while also urging patience about the recovery.

"We knew this wouldn't be a sprint. It would be a marathon. Quite frankly, we're moving a lot more rapidly than I thought we would," he said, according to The Washington Post.

Expectations: managed.

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  1. Everyone is enjoying legal weed and unregulated craft microbrew beer while watching the fires of destruction slowly rolling towards them.

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  2. it was just easier to be furloughed will benefits, or workshare part time, or extended unemployment with bigger payouts and now we are going to pay the price. buckle up

  3. You know, it just could be that POTUS Biden will match his old boss’ performance….slow job growth economy due to spectacularly bad economic policies and stupid spending.

  4. unemployment is rate is up

    Editor!

  5. Has the company that supplies Biden with adult diapers seen an uptick in sales since he took office?

    1. It’s impossible to tell with the amount of pants shitting that has been happening for the past year.

  6. Everyone is talking about accountability. For the Police, mostly. What about the Politicians? How come they keep making boneheaded decisions?

    I hope Biden and his ilk will be held accountable for his gratuitous payouts to people for not working. It’s Neanderthal thinking.

    1. The police are under the direct purview of the politicians.

      Talking about them being held ‘accountable’ is meant as a distraction, not a solutions.

    2. They keep making boneheaded decisions because the founders decided that the only punishment for stupid political policy was limited to kicking them out of office by not re-electing or impeaching them.

      That paradigm may be on its way to the trash heap of history.

      1. The founders didn’t decide that at all.
        Read what they wrote, look at what they did, and think about the framework they created.

  7. Jobs report? Whatever.

    We Koch / Reason libertarians evaluate the economy according to exactly one metric. It’s so simple, it can be phrased as a yes / no question. Here it is — Are the richest people on the planet, in particular our benefactor Charles Koch, growing their fortunes at an acceptable rate?

    Mere months into the Biden Administration, it’s clear the answer is Yes!!!!

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires
    #LibertariansForBiden

    1. Well that would explain Christian puking up whatever our savior Biden fed him. Thanks Obl!

  8. If they want to end the benefits, they have to 100% open up. But they can’t do that because then people would realize there was never a reason to close in the first place.

    Besides, if your small biz folds because it can’t find workers since government is paying them to sit at home, well, that’s a sacrifice Biden is willing to make.

    1. There were 7.5 million open jobs last month per reports. Only 250k took a job. It isn’t even about opening up at this point, it is about not giving people extra money to stay home.

      1. Biden is going to fix this by giving people even more money! He said so!

    2. I’ve literally seen people say that if you can’t pay workers more than they’re getting in benefits, you deserve to go under.

      To be fair, it was the libertarian subreddit, which has been taken over by crazed leftist.

      1. It was Tony’s position as well.

        1. I thought his position was down on all fours with his mouth and anus as wide open as possible.

      2. “…which has been taken over by crazed leftist.”

        That never happens. I mean, just look at the writers here…

      3. Same for when min wage gets raised. Funny how people who have run businesses never say this stuff. When government wrecks your business with stupid regulations, that’s 100% on them.

      4. Companies: “OK, we’ll increase our wages”

        Progtards: “OMG, unemployment benefits are too lowwwww!!!!!!!11111”

        *politicians increase benefits and the circle of life continues*

    3. For the last year, the federal government trashed small business. Those that are left are on the ropes and can’t afford much in terms of wages. At the same time, a lot of people have been out of work for a year and they’ve noticed that even if they made more at work, they’re no longer putting 40 miles a day on the car, buying new dress up clothes every few months and eating every lunch out because they can only be gone 45 minutes. The Chamber of Commerce’s answer: We need to drive these people back into the work force!

      The problem here is not that lazy workers would rather sit on their ass or small businesses aren’t viable if they pay a decent wage. The problem is that we’ve seen the largest taking against private economic interests in our history and the most anyone got out of it was a PPP loan. Meanwhile, our overlords drove all our commerce to Walmart and Amazon.

      Let’s be honest: This talking point about people making more on unemployment isn’t because anyone in power gives a damn about small business, anymore than the people pushing a permanent subsistence income care about the poor. This is all a distraction to keep the people at the bottom at each others’ throats over the table scraps while the corporate elite continues to stack the deck in their favor.

      If the Fed pumped half as much money into saving small business as they did into saving big business and the banks – and this would only be just compensation for the regulatory takings of the last year – small business could afford to hire at a decent wage and workers would be glad to earn a decent wage.

      Instead of complaining that the government won’t provide them enough people willing to work for substandard wages (don’t worry, the Reasonoids and Chamber of Commerce will demand more immigration to put more slack into the labor market soon enough), small businesses should be taking a good hard luck at every politician and public servant who coos about small business in the campaign season but supported the lockdowns and saw nothing wrong with shutting down mom and pop while Walmart stayed open. And then, time to collect a few scalps. (Figuratively, if you work for the FBI.)

      1. GeoffB1972
        May.7.2021 at 8:45 pm

        “For the last year, the federal government trashed small business. Those that are left are on the ropes and can’t afford much in terms of wages. At the same time, a lot of people have been out of work for a year and they’ve noticed that even if they made more at work,…”

        I takes a particularly stupid piece of lefty shit to argue the problem is a result of government action, and then to propose more of the same.
        I have no idea if this steaming pile of lefty shit is new here, or just a steaming pile of lefty shit who has adopted a new handle, but it makes no difference; steaming piles of lefty shit are exactly that, regardless of the ones who post them.
        Fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit. Give your dog a place to piss.

        1. As long as you are going to waste money, it would be better to give the money to business that you’ve trashed for a year than to the people who are glad to sit home and watch Netflix. Best would be to give no one money, but that ship has sailed.

  9. Increasing taxes on investment, Increasing corporate taxes, paying people to stay home, giving people extra bonuses, telling people to not go outside without N number of masks…. all will lead to this great booming economy.

    1. Biden also things the real solution is to spend even more money from the government instead of just opening up the government and stopping excessive UI payments.

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/biden-economy-unemployment-benefits_n_609543aee4b0aead1b82d6ae

      1. And now small businesses can’t find workers and are shutting down. What’s the answer? Another round of “stimulus” for small business owners. The same thing will hold true for the eviction moratorium. No evictions, but another round of stimulus for landlords.

        It’s all a scheme to get everyone addicted to those sweet government checks and it just spirals out from here.

  10. Boy have the masks slipped on this bullshit in recent days.

    Businesses can’t find workers? Seems like the opportune time to offer more appealing salaries and benefits. That’s how supply and demand is supposed to work.

    Free-market fundamentalism has never been anything but a desperate plea for affirmative action for existing firms that can’t hack it in a new environment. You people are making capitalism work worse because you’ve only adopted the platitudes of the free market without any of its principles.

    1. You can’t possibly be this stupid.

      1. Oh, yes she is!

        1. I can’t wait for the “it’s Trump’s fault”

          1. SleepyJoe said so today.

      2. New here?

        1. Hahaha…Long time reader, first time commenter. I know Tony thinks he’s clever and can have his little “gotcha” moments. But to argue that a de facto (but notably not de jure) wage floor implemented in the midst of a recovery is almost unbelievable.

          1. Should read:

            But to argue that a de facto (but notably not de jure) wage floor implemented in the midst of a recovery is the “free market” is almost unbelievable.

          2. But there’s always a wage floor. We have a minimum wage and don’t allow slavery (or child labor). It’s jus’ civilization.

            Also, there’s a pandemic and companies want to force workers to risk their lives or starve. Everyone who’s not a moron figured out there’s a better way to do business like many decades ago.

            1. Well… you have kind have said we should ignore chinas muslim camps…

              Also, there’s a pandemic and companies want to force workers to risk their lives or starve.

              That has the same chance of killing those under 60 as driving to work daily.

              You just want an excuse to sit at home getting fat. You’ve admitted in the past you think freedom requires allowing you to never work if you dont have to.

              1. I was here while you guys spent the pandemic arguing for forcing people to expose themselves to a deadly virus in the name of… what was it? I don’t even know. It wasn’t really free-market principles. More so Trump could pwn science, or whatever.

                Freedom is freedom. Spending a third of our lives at the behest of a business school douche is not freedom, in my personal estimation. Maybe it is to you. I think we should maximize freedom. I can’t imagine doing so without using traditional labor to use the resources available to us, but we should try to imagine it.

                You’re gonna die one day. It’s not gonna matter that you worked hard. You’re gonna be a fart on the wind. We should all have as much opportunity to spend our short lives as we see fit. But what do I know, I’m just the sole libertarian in the world who actually uses “freedom” to mean freedom, and not just “whatever the Koch brother demands of his charges in Congress.”

                1. You are free to be a bum. Nobody is forcing you to work. If you don’t want to work for someone else, start you own place. Then you will know what real slavery is.

                  1. We are constrained by a web of arbitrary cultural values. If we figured out how to get what we need from the world without anyone having to work, would you support that? Or do you feel that people need to face down starvation in order to motivate them to be useful, according to your definition of useful?

                    Arbitrary cultural chains. You guys are supposed to be utopians and idealists. Imagine better.

                    1. It’s called reality.

                    2. “It’s called reality.”

                      Shitstain would rather not deal with that.

                    3. You are advocating that just some work and others use government to coerce some of the fruits of their labor into their coffers.
                      Utopian? Many of us support self reliance and personal responsibility.

                    4. If we figured out how to get what we need from the world without anyone having to work, would you support that?

                      We have reached peak stupid!!

                    5. I’m advocating simply for a floor on the level of misery we permit people to fall beneath, something we already afford to do at some level with no problems whatsoever.

                      After we ensure that nobody goes without food, shelter, and medicine, people can capitalist the shit out of whatever. Don’t you understand that capitalism works all the better when people aren’t scraping for basic necessities? There is more choice, not less, when there’s a safety net. More discernment. More innovative and advanced products.

                      If you insist that a child’s future prospects for life should be inextricably connected to how rich or poor their parents happen to be, you’re not even talking about fairness or work ethic or anything but Darwinian selection. If you can’t do better than that, why even bother having opinions on how civilization should be run?

                2. I must be seeing things… Did Tony really call himself a libertarian?

              2. That has the same chance of killing those under 60 as driving to work daily.

                And here is the right-wing narcissism on full display. All that matters to Jesse is what HIS personal risk factors are to COVID and HIS risk tolerance. Since his risk tolerance is high and his risk factors are low, therefore everyone else should adopt Jesse’s smug position and go to work while spreading COVID everywhere and if they don’t like it, they are just whiny babies, not the “manly man” that Jesse supposedly is.

                He doesn’t care that by going to work in the middle of a pandemic, that he becomes a potential transmission vector of the virus to those who are more susceptible than he is. If other people get sick because Jesse is a self-absorbed narcissist who doesn’t give a damn about anyone else, then that’s their own fault for not properly recognizing that the world revolves around Jesse.

                1. Jeff, you choose to be obese. Nobody forces you to be fat. You don’t give a fuck about your own risk posture, so why should I care about it?

                  1. It’s not about me specifically Jesse, it is how you treat everyone else who isn’t a part of your particular in-group. “Fuck you all, I don’t give a shit about you” is not the way to win over hearts and minds. Narcissism is not a virtue.

                    1. All those people at risk have had the vaccine by now.

                2. So much individualism and liberty in your post. Please tell me how to be more libertarian like you Jeff.

                  1. Here is a clue: Don’t be a dickhead. There is nothing about libertarianism that says you have to be a jerk to everyone else.

                    1. Damn, I must have gotten the wrong decoder ring.

                    2. Jeff, I got a clue for you:
                      Don’t wanna be called on your bullshit? Try posting once without bullshitting.
                      People aren’t being dickheads, you fucking ignoramus, they’re being honest.

                    3. Mendacious twat with multiple socks wants to tell other people how not to be a dickhead…

                3. I’m over 60 got it, survived, and I’ll survive the next one too. I was surviving the flu before you were born asshole. Find a better argument.

            2. Using the government mandated minimum wage as your wage floor is, by definition, not the operation of a free market. And slavery is not a wage floor, it has nothing to do with wages and everything to do with government coercion.

              Everyone who’s not a moron understands incentives. But apparently you don’t understand them or you’d quit rambling about how government efforts equate to the free market.

              1. Tony is taking a bite from the other democrats and attempting new speak. He just has to redefine free market for his arguments to be valid.

              2. You’re confused, but it will get better.

                There is no such thing as a free market. It’s an obsessive-compulsive fantasy at best. There will always be a government, and with any luck it will always be making laws about how employers can treat employees, same as with any other power relationship in society.

                Any business must compete in the environment it finds itself. In the US, that has traditionally been a “business friendly” environment in which government moves heaven and earth to provide, out of thin air, intellectual property rights, limited liability, and other such state-offered benefits for owners and inventors.

                Pulling up the ladder when the rights start getting to the people doing the actual work is simply being an asshole.

                1. Lol. Love when your mask comes off after claiming to be a free market capitalist.

                  1. I’m not into “isms” from the 19th century, truth be told. I understand and appreciate the value of the market mechanism and private sector, and for now I feel they should be a vibrant part of any economic policy portfolio.

                2. In the US, that has traditionally been a “business friendly” environment in which government moves heaven and earth to provide, out of thin air, intellectual property rights, limited liability, and other such state-offered benefits for owners and inventors.
                  So jump on the gravy train, start your own business. Let us know how it goes.

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                    2. “…I don’t think there’s much of an onlyfans market for old gay men.”

                      You left out “stupid”.

                    3. You fail at marketing.

                3. See Blue Anon is out in force again, get a fresh batch of talking points did you?

      3. Tony can be even more stupid than that. And evil.

      4. “You can’t possibly be this stupid.”

        You gotta be new here; shitstain has proven to be far, far more stupid than this.

    2. Having to compete with the government paying people to not work is not free market.

      1. Think of all the untapped labor in the 65+ age group. Better for the free market if we eliminate social security, right? We can make labor real cheap.

        1. Social security was at least paid in to. The UI increases were from the magic money tree. Both should be eliminated, albeit ss would have to occur over time since idiots like you plan to retire on it.

          1. But you haven’t explained why. Because you’re afraid the US will run out of money?

            It’s not an unfounded fear, since the US could collapse, a possibility the Republican party has so helpfully made imminent. But if the US collapses, a risk assessment of treasury bonds becomes somewhat of an academic matter.

            1. How does having SS stop a country from collapsing? Lol.

              I choose to allow people the freedom to choose. If people want to willingly band together in a multi level marketing scheme, or retirement, they can. But what you want government to do is force those who work hard to subsidize your choices. It is something you and Jeff will never understand because your way of life requires the labor of others.

              1. I’m starting to feel actually sticky from all the moral goo you’re spewing at me.

                I don’t know if you know any wealthy people, but if they are working hard, it’s because they are obsessive people, not because of the value it adds to anything. Mostly they make money by having existing money sitting in an account somewhere.

                You want to insist on injecting moral premises into this, I got a few. It’s immoral for anyone living in an advanced economy to be allowed to starve. Forget the lazy you’re so concerned about, what about the disabled? What about orphans?

                We’re talking about the elderly, who presumably would be more “free” according to your definition if they had to choose between working until they drop and living in a gutter.

                We really need to work on the definition of freedom.

                1. “..I don’t know if you know any wealthy people, but if they are working hard, it’s because they are obsessive people, not because of the value it adds to anything…”
                  Told ya! Shitstain is far more stupid than his first post suggests.

                  “…You want to insist on injecting moral premises into this, I got a few. It’s immoral for anyone living in an advanced economy to be allowed to starve. Forget the lazy you’re so concerned about, what about the disabled? What about orphans?..”
                  Shitstain is under the impression that people starve in the US. Actually he isn’t; he’s been caught bullshitting again and is now trying to fool people.
                  Hint, shitstain; if you’re starving in the US, it’s because you’re too lazy to go to where they are handing out free food.

                  “…We’re talking about the elderly, who presumably would be more “free” according to your definition if they had to choose between working until they drop and living in a gutter…”
                  This is probably abysmal stupidity:
                  https://www.stlouisfed.org/on-the-economy/2017/october/long-term-income-wealth-gains-favor-older-americans
                  65 and older are the wealthiest group, but that doesn’t fit the rest of shitstain’s lies, so he ignores the evidence.

                  “We really need to work on the definition of freedom.”
                  You need to fuck off and die, steaming pile of lefty shit.

                  1. The fact that you bother quote me and then say nothing but insults is fascinating.

                    Have you ever been diagnosed as being on any, like, spectrums?

                    1. In between the insults were some actual points, but I guess you really are too stupid to see them.

    3. “Businesses can’t find workers? Seems like the opportune time to offer more appealing salaries and benefits.”

      LOL

      Exactly wrong. It just means we should import cost-effective foreign-born labor, especially from Mexico. Which is what billionaire employers have advocated for years — and what the modern Democratic Party has finally embraced.

      #OpenBordersWillFixEverything

      1. Well, part of the problem is Republicans decided to finally pick which side of their face to talk out of and expel the brown people instead of exploiting them for cheap labor while they had no rights. If they weren’t so goddamn racist they’d have all the cheap labor they need.

        1. Who was expelled? The people illegally crossing?

          You had a chance at increased work visas under Bush in 2006. The plan was to allow a large increase in seasonal work visas. Your favorite president was the deciding vote in a poison pill amendment that killed that compromise.

          1. Obama was a hawk on immigration, then Trump was outright genocidal on the subject. Used to be, Republicans enjoyed the sweet spot of a status quo on immigration policy where their donors got all the rights-free labor they wanted while using the presence of such laborers to stoke racial resentment to win elections.

            The racist side won and now businesses can’t get workers at the price they’re used to. It’s all just supply and demand in the end, and they should get used to the idea that this sometimes means they have to pay a living wage.

            1. Cnn says you’re a liar and we know you love cnn.

              https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/13/politics/obama-trump-deportations-illegal-immigration/index.html

              Legal immigration is over 1 million a year in this country. Disallowing people to jump the line is not immoral.

              I do like how you completely ignored the entire 2006 bill though. Good work.

              1. I don’t have particularly strong feelings on this subject, but libertarians, if they had any of the principles they claimed to have, would necessarily have to lean into unrestricted immigration (a policy that built this country), since it would minimize artificial market signals in labor.

                I just care mostly about treating human beings with basic dignity.

                1. I don’t have particularly strong feelings on this subject,

                  Is this your way of admitting you were ignorant?

                  1. It matters not. We all know she is.

                  2. I don’t have much of a defense to offer of Obama’s immigration policies.

                    I’m talking about human freedom. You seem to be more interested in scoring points for a team. I was never into sports.

                    1. “…I’m talking about human freedom…”
                      You’re full of shit.

                    2. You see, you have to see Mexicans as humans. A lot can follow from that stipulation.

                  3. He’s hoping that means people won’t notice he’s been called on his bullshit.

    4. In order to ” to offer more appealing salaries and benefits” I have to raise the price of my product or service. At worst this raises the risk that my customers stop coming to my store. At best they keep coming but are forced to pay more for the same goods or service.

      I’m forced to compete with an employer who says “do nothing all day and i’ll pay you $600 a week.” “Oh, and since you get ue benefits, you’ll get subsidized rates on electric, rent, internet, phone, etc..” Doesn’t seem very “free market” to me.

      1. If your business can’t compete in the environment it finds itself, it deserves to die.

        Like I said, free market principles. Practice what you preach and stop asking for affirmative action.

        1. The government paying people not to work isnt a free market.

          You have no principles.

          1. The government has been paying the elderly not to work for generations. It artificially restricts immigration ostensibly to keep domestic wages higher. It’s never been a free market, because there isn’t such a thing in the modern world, or the ancient one for that matter.

            1. If you never had a job in your life, you would not get SS. (Survivor benefits aside, they are technically the workers benefit). Again, workers at least paid into it.

              I dont even like SS, but the fact you have to lie about it says more about your argumentation than anything else.

              You seem to keep missing the actual arguments as you flail.

              1. I know how SS works. It’s a cute system. I for one am not particularly interested in the government doling out chits for morally approved behavior, but maybe I’m sensitive what with living under a de facto theocracy my whole life.

                I say spend some of the wealth of our continent on providing a floor to the level of misery we permit for human beings. They figured that out in freaking Scandinavia, where people eat pickled herring because nothing else will grow. We can do whatever we want, because we are free. Check your cultural assumptions. They’re mostly shit.

                1. The fact that you used the term “our wealth” says a lot. What you mean is “other peoples wealth” because nobody is stopping from you doing charitable actions.

                  1. She has no money to be charitable with.

                  2. It’s an absurdity that human beings can make absolute claims to ownership of part of the planet they live on, but if it works for practical purposes, let it be one of those fantasies we construct. Just don’t build a temple to it. Don’t build any temples, how about?

                  3. You worked for it but it isn’t yours. Tony didn’t work for it but he becomes arbitrator of what happens with it. Five year olds think similarly.

                  4. But your definition of work is rather loose. Somehow it includes being idly wealthy, having done nothing but snort coke and inherit money.

                    Why is anyone entitled to inherit wealth, according to your moral premises?

                    1. Those in that camp didn’t take it from me nor did they use government to coerce it from me. So it is none of my business what they do with it.

                    2. Nothing has been taken from you. It’s admittedly a bit perverse that you’re given the impression that your paycheck would be larger than it is if only there were no government to tax your income, but if there were no government to tax your income, there would be no such thing as dollars!

                      If you insist on staying in this “payment for services” model for psychological reasons, that’s fine, but you need to understand that you begin using government services before you’re even birthed into the world. Using something without paying for it is stealing. We can’t rebuild all the infrastructure every time a new person is born, wait for them to reach the age of majority, and then ask them how they want the country to look.

                  5. It’s cute that Tony thinks he’s not a theocratic or that Progressivism isn’t a religion.

                    1. He also doesn’t believe he’s a total moron.

        2. What happens in your world when the government created an environment where nobody can compete with the file and ask those unworthy businesses go out of business? How does food get produced? Who delivers goods to those staying at home on unemployment?

          Does government take over these industries? And, what, hire people at $25 an hour? How does this make anything work?

          1. It’s a good question. The United States has never really gone without cheap labor, be it from domestic slavery, migrant workers with no rights, or oppressed factory workers in China. Everything in my house and yours was made by such people.

            There’s lots of rethinking to do, but if all you have to offer is “I want my life to be exactly as it is, except when it can consume more of the planet for my own whims, and I don’t care if a billion Chinese people have to lose their fingers for that to happen,” then we’re not really operating on an advanced moral plane anyway.

            1. Actually the Amish made most of the stuff in my house because they deliver better quality than the cheap shit you buy.

              1. That’s charming, but the style I’m going for is more modern. Ikea meets a winter wood. A fusion of clean lines and organic forms, earth tones with stark whites, and the occasional pop of turquoise or red.

                1. Yes, I’m sure you’re quite the interior decorator.

            2. Which would be a valid argument if China (and increasingly now Vietnam, Myanmar, Thailand, etc) were not seeing their standards of living increase as their economies shift from agrarian subsistence farming to industrial economies providing higher wages for those who are providing or cheap (relative to us) labor. We’ve got a long way to go, globally, before we reach a point where there aren’t people actively looking to take the factory work that’s elevating the quality of life around the globe.

        3. “If your business can’t compete in the environment it finds itself, it deserves to die.”

          If a business can derive $14/hour of value from labor, and a different business that derives $15/hour of value comes along and takes all their workers, then, yeah, creative destruction. The workers are generating more value for the economy, and everyone is, on average, better off.

          If a business can derive $14/hour of value, and the government pays workers $15/hour to create no value, I don’t really see how the destruction of the company can be seen as a good thing. The worker was generating value to the economy, and now they can’t. We are, on average, worse off for it.

          1. Not to mention that wages paid by a business are derived from receipts paid by actual consumers. Wages paid by the federal government are created out of thin air.

        4. “If your business can’t compete in the environment it finds itself, it deserves to die.”

          Said no one in an anti-trust hearing.

    5. Fucking Tony could work for NPR. They started talking about this shit this week in anticipation of the jobs report. Almost the entire media is perfectly aligned with DNC talking points.

      I think I just found another mute button to push.

      1. Work? LOL

    6. The issue is the short-term nature of the unemployment checks. If the plan was to have permanent $600 / week checks going out the door, the free market can evolve to accommodate a situation where workers are simply unavailable below $20/hour. Such an economy would likely involve far greater prices for labor intensive stuff, a lot of outsourcing, greater automation, and a rebalance away from hospitality toward luxury goods. These are all great things if we had a true long-term labor shortage. However, it is a terrible way to reorient the economy if we expect millions of workers to be dumped onto the economy looking for a job in September, as the economy would have gotten used to operating with many fewer workers.

      Instead, the government is seemingly hoping that the hospitality and related industries will be okay limping along at half staffing for now, so there will be plenty of companies able to absorb the avalanche of workers in 4 months. It is very hard to see how this is a good policy for anyone. It unnecessarily crimps profitability in industries reeling from COVID restrictions, just as they are lifting. It will result in massive inflation for consumers. It is incredibly expensive for the government.

      1. I agree, the temporary nature of the UI payments is what is most problematic.

        The fact is that the wages at the low and middle end of the spectrum have not benefited from most of the wage growth that the top 5% has. The spread was getting wider and wider, and we already had evidence of americans not willing to do whole categories of labor at the going rates, like meat processing plants and basically all agricultural work. The real wage floor was already high above the minimum wage, and would be much higher without a large pool of labor from undocumented immigrants.

        In short, there has been a crisis in inequality of wage growth brewing for the past 40 years. It has reached a breaking point, and yes, government subsidies are now encouraging people to take unemployment, but previously government subsidies encouraged keeping the lion’s share of profit at the top of the company, and letting undocumented types or Americans willing to be poor do the grunt work. Food stamps and child tax credits are great for McD’s and Walmart, as it makes their pathetic wages livable for their underpaid employees. Both companies have been caught in the past coaching their employees how to use the benefits system to make ends meet on their $8/hr jobs. Remember that there is no completely free market. Every market is defined by the local government or warlord or whomever. The american government caused the low wage growth to begin with.

        Our best years of economic growth happened concurrently with our best years of wage growth. There is an ideal level of inequality for growth, but we are far past it. The old wages are wages that increase income inequality. This country needs higher wages, and the cost of higher wages need only be lower stock market returns, which have been far outside of historical norms and “pure”, profit-driven valuations for some time now anyway.

    7. This is the dumbest take maybe of all time.

    8. Oh crap! I half agree with Tony. Obviously it’s not a free market if the government is passing out money to those who stay at home. There’s a government funded competitor in the labor market. That said, these people are acting like small businesses are entitled to labor for what they can afford to pay. Shades of “from each according to his ability” if I ever heard it. And speaking of “free markets,” with MMT and the Fed propping up the markets there is no free market. There is only a spigot of money for people with the right connections. What we’re seeing here is the government tossing a few bucks at ordinary people for every million they’ve spent helping entrenched financial interests. And instead of asking why the corporate elite rigged the system against them, the small business owners are bitching that for the moment the working class isn’t getting reamed quite as hard as they are.

      No question the generous unemployment payments are dampening the labor market. I know because when I got my COVID layoff I stayed out of the labor market till I found something aligned with my interests. At the same time, if you’re a struggling small business, your problem isn’t workers who want to make at least as much as they are on unemployment. Your problem is big corporations that ate your lunch after the government stole it from you for them.

      1. Added: Capitalism, my ass.

        1. Hell, even socialists won’t pay you to not work. “From each according to his ability” means go be productive for the Motherland, comrade, it go to the gulag.

          Paying for people to not work is what societies on the verge of imminent failure do.

    9. None of what has happened in any way represents capitalism or free markets.

      But you’re too stupid to understand that.

  11. The average unemployment benefit across the US is roughly $300 a week. Add the feds’ $300 and you’ve got $600 a week

    Does anyone else think it’s a coincidence that that amount is identical to what a full-time $15 minimum wage pays? All these businesses that can’t hire at current rates are going to “voluntarily” raise wages to entice people back to work and *voila* we have a $15 wage floor without any laws, votes or debate. It’s like Bizarro Hanlon’s Razor.

    1. Why work for 40 hours for the same pay as doing nothing?

      1. Better than the same pay! No commute, no child care costs, no uniforms or cleaning bills for work clothes, no insurance premiums with Medicaid. If you have two members of the household who got “laid off” during the recession you’re making the US median income without having to get out of bed until September but without all the cost associated with work.

        1. And you can still. Make side money under the table on top of it all.

    2. It’s not just the wage, but most young workers today absolutely refuse to do physical labor or work. They have no actual skills with their hands and are doughy turds like Tony. Even having to stand upright for a few hours at a counter or checkout is too much for them. These people might take 15 an hour to run a companies Twitter account but no amount of money will make them exert themselves.

      Our service and construction industries are fukked.

  12. I heard even Reason is having trouble hiring writers. They are now offering a free cocktail from Suderman, hair styling tips from Soave, and you get to wear The Jacket for day.

    1. Sqrlsy saw this coming!

    2. They get better results with, one free blowjob from one of ENB’s hooker pals. And some coke from Sullum’s stash.

      1. Where do I sign up?

        1. I would hope that the offices of the premier libertarian magazine in America would contain more exotic drugs than simple ol’ cocaine.

          1. Why?

      2. I’m holding out for a sammich. And I’ll write her headlines.

    3. I’m holding out for KMW.

    4. Free blowjobs from ENB…….

  13. If you’re middle class, small business owner, independent contractor: your government, and their apparatchiks like Reason, are waging war upon you.
    Defend your life, or lose it.

    1. I’m looking forward to the coming hyperinflation reducing my mortgage to a month’s pay.

  14. The progressives are building a dependant class so that if anyone want the government to be responsible and accountable they can take away the money and say look it was them go riot. They progtards did the same thing with race wars. The Republicans pushed for equal treatment the dems opposed it. About 15 years later the dems establish welfare to buy the black vote (their words not mine) and now they scream racism anytime anyone want to reform it and get massive crowds to protest and increasingly start to riot. This is by design anyone that doesn’t see it is retarded

    1. Better if they’re dependent on thew whims of upper management douchebags for their ability to put food on the table

      Did you guys at least take the word “freedom” out for dinner before you nostril-raped it?

      1. I like how in tonys world there is no chance someone can start their own business if they so choose.

        1. On the contrary, I’m all in favor of whiny dinosaur firms dying so that the market can churn up more innovative businesses that can compete for labor on a civilized playing field.

          I’ve only ever been a capitalist. I just think capitalism is better when it works with a floor on human misery. We figured this out during the industrial revolution.

          1. Paying people to not work isnt capitalism. New speak doesn’t work here.

            If the dinosaurs can’t pay the wages, you think a new entrepreneur can? Lol.

            1. I’m very sorry a global pandemic threw a wrench into your cultural assumptions. To some degree I’m glad when businesses and their political puppets admit that they want to make money by exploiting labor via duress when there’s an actual airborne virus everywhere. All the better to ignore their appeals to freedom in the marketplace on account of them being hypocritical self-serving lies.

              1. “…I’m very sorry a global pandemic threw a wrench into your cultural assumptions…”

                Shitstain here seems to believe a “pandemic” is paying unemployment benefits.
                Shitstain’s pretty fucking stupid.

                1. It’s a real shame he’s alive.

              2. Worldwide, global pandemic?

              3. Actually, you both agree on making people work during a pandemic, you’re just haggling over the price.

            2. Paying airlines to stay afloat while closing mom and pop shops isn’t capitalism either. Once you introduce the phrase “too big to fail,” creative destruction starts to fade, the government picks winners and losers and everything Schumpeter feared comes to pass. To worry about generous unemployment benefits undermining capitalism is like worrying that the funny spot on the corpse might be skin cancer. Capitalism is dead.

              1. Airlines never make money anyway. They might as well be nationalized and operating at a loss than pinching pennies and making us all miserable.

                We’ve surely learned by now that the whole Reaganomics experiment was a dismal failure that led to oligarchy and fascism. Exactly as I predicted as a wee infant, the moment that self-righteous puffed up actor and his moronic wife started wagging their moral fingers. Just say no.

                1. A government run airline would be terrific. Maybe the VA could be in charge of it.

                  1. People are just people. There are lots of government employees who do their job well. Hopefully there are good enough incentive structures in place to make that more likely than not, but if not, at least you get a vote on the matter, which can’t be said for Amazon or Facebook.

                    But you could take a business built in the private sector, keep all the same employees, and simply have government subsidize it. Money is just money. It has no work ethic or lack thereof.

                    1. You’ve always proven yourself to be a vacuous buffoon every time you comment. These new comments of yours are more of the same.

                      I applaud your consistency.

          2. “On the contrary, I’m all in favor of whiny dinosaur firms dying so that the market can churn up more innovative businesses that can compete for labor on a civilized playing field.”

            Gee, I wonder why progressive 1% continue churn out business model that eschews the 9 to 5 model and relies on cheap labor / freelance work? Uber was founded by Obama personnel. Why is Bezos against unionization again?

            Businesses don’t exist to provide wages to people. This is something progs like you don’t understands. Any “innovation” from business will either concern the actual product or the business model. And becoming efficient typically involves automation and consolidation.

            1. Why should we be celebrating the 9-to-5 model of labor?

              1. A lot of “conservative” opinions boil down to “I had to endure it, so everyone else has to too!”

                1. A lot of opinions from steaming piles of shit boil down to: “Mommy I want my free shit!!!!”

              2. Why should we celebrate contributing nothing and taking things from people that worked for it?

                1. Why don’t you mind your own business and keep your provincial moral compulsions to your own family?

                  1. When govt is forcing me to pay for others to sit at home it is my business.

                    1. It doesn’t have to be.

                    2. Yes. Yes it does.

                    3. You’re not really paying for it, though, as I’ve explained. Government buys first, taxes later, and the two have only a loose correlation for essentially PR purposes.

                      And Clinton ended welfare anyway so your Reagan-supplied crypto-racist anxieties are seriously out of date.

                  2. Funny how you won’t do the same. You wan to run everyone’s lives. This is why you need to go.

              3. Why should we be celebrating the 9-to-5 model of labor?

                It’s a figure of speech, but it’s no surprise you took it literally.

            2. People don’t exist to provide labor to businesses either.

              1. Correct. They may make money some other way, but they may not demand I pay them to sit on their asses.
                Make money to pay for food or starve; that choice is open to anyone.

      2. If your employer is screwing you, you can get another job. If your government starts screwing you, what are your options?

        1. Vote for the other guy next time.

          1. Get a job if you need money. Stop forcing others to subsidize your uselessness.

            1. Why don’t you say the same to CEOs who buy politicians instead of simply voting for them?

              Is it because the platitudes you live your life by are actually Orwellian bullshit meant to service the interests of the owners of capital rather than actual human beings?

              1. Nope. You’re just a lying idiot.

            2. Stop forcing others to subsidize your uselessness.

              Glad to see you’ve finally come around to the open borders position.

              1. My God jeff. How many times do you have to lie about someone else’s position.

                My position has always been open borders in absence of a welfare state. We don’t have that.

                God damn man, do you ever change?

                1. Border restrictionism is a subsidy to the domestic labor market. It artificially raises wages for those in the country by keeping out potential labor competitors. The government is subsidizing domestic unskilled labor by paying men with guns to keep out their competitors from outside the country. But, that is the type of welfare state that you can get behind!

                  1. No, it’s not. We are not a one world government. At all.

                    This has all been explained to you many, many times here before. Your arguments are al discredited, but you threadshit anyway. This is part of why you are so hated.

                  2. Wait, he just told you to stop falsifying his positions, so you go and literally do it again in you very next comment?

                2. You don’t want to really get rid of the welfare state. You want to get rid of the part of the welfare state that benefits OTHERS.

                3. “My God jeff. How many times do you have to lie about someone else’s position…”

                  You missed Ken’s analysis; yes, jeff’s lying, but that’s simply a result of his lack of mental ability to *understand* that he’s lying.
                  He’s simply too fucking stupid to understand when someone corrects him, it means he’s wrong.

                  1. He makes the same discredited arguments over and over.

              2. In fact, do yourself some good and go read up on articles about the costs to towns like Gila Bend in Arizona based on this latest surge.

                Just like you want others to mitigate your obesity risk from covid, you are also asking people in border states to subsidize your cheap labor at their costs.

                I’ve already sent you links about the costs to hospitals in the southwest and you blew it off.

                Your brand of liberty isn’t far off from Tony. It is whatever benefits others. You rationalize it by calling others selfish. That is the irony.

                1. It is whatever benefits others

                  And in case I wasn’t clear, this means benefits you, not the individual.

                  You want others to subsidize your life choices.

                  1. Oh that’s too bad, I thought you had a bit of a breakthrough. No I don’t want others to subsidize my life choices. But you definitely want everyone else to subsidize the “American way of life” that you think you are entitled to.

                    1. Yeah, you clearly don’t get it. Not surprising.

                2. Your brand of liberty isn’t far off from Tony. It is whatever benefits others.

                  You are getting warmer. Liberty is not something that must be earned by the worthy. Liberty is a birthright of every human being, and it behooves *libertarians* to stand up for liberty for its own sake. It is too bad that libertarianism has been invaded by people like you who only really give a shit about liberty when it is YOUR OWN that is on the line. But when everyone else’s liberty is threatened, then fuck ’em all. They need to work harder or fight harder for their rights, or something. But not YOU, YOU are ENTITLED to liberty. But penniless Guatemalans? They need to go back to where they came from!

                  you are also asking people in border states to subsidize your cheap labor at their costs.

                  Oh, well let’s play the subsidy game then. How much do you want to subsidize domestic labor at the expense of foreign competitors?

                  1. None. I don’t want to be forced to subsidize anything. End the welfare state and open the borders the same day. We can agree to that. A liberty stimulus plan.

                    1. Then the very next ‘most transparent election ever’ the welfare party gets voted back in [because there is no way that party would ever end welfare so they would be the ones out of power at the time] and you have open borders and a reimplemented welfare state.

            3. I would be a lot more inclined to agree with this if we hadn’t bailed out the airlines and the Fed hadn’t shoveled money into the markets. In 2008-9, the federal government threw its full weight behind subsidizing the mistakes of billionaires. Poor people got thrown out of their homes because they were tens of thousands in debt. Rich people got bailed out by the government because they were billions of dollars in debt and effectively held hostage everyone around them. When I start seeing former CEOs living in cardboard boxes, we can talk about not subsidizing uselessness.

              1. Real big on the politics of envy there, aren’t you, lefty shit?
                No one here supported the bail outs of the corps when Bush and then Obo did so, meaning you can take your lefty whine and cheese somewhere else.
                None of that justifies what you favor and to be honest, it looks like you’re grasping at straws, hoping to find something to justify theft.

                1. Funny how it’s always time to stop helping people the moment we’re done shoveling trillions of dollars onto the balance sheets of favored corporations.

                  1. Hey fag, your proggy friends are the biggest abusers of all when it comes to corporate welfare. Are you really this delusional?

                2. No, I’m just acknowledging that theft by government is how the game is won these days. I do wish it were otherwise. But in 2016 we elected a Republican president who tried to help the working class by preventing a race to the bottom in wages through fair trade and restricted immigration. And every Chamber of Commerce Republican I know wailed and gnashed his teeth that the government wouldn’t let in more workers when wages started to rise. And I watched most of the Washington Republican establishment turn on him whenever and wherever they thought it was safe to do so. I was already pretty pissed with the Republicans for their role in the 2008 bailouts, all the way to McCain suspending his presidential bid to rescue Wall Street. But I took a chance on Trump, who did better than I expected, and party insiders knifed him in the back.

                  So what do you recommend? It’s not that I like where we are. But it’s hard not to feel like a sucker when the continual bailouts of the rich are treated as unfortunate but necessary by people who suddenly rediscover their principles when it’s the poor profiting off the con. In this, by the way, I except you as a good, honorable and upstanding person and not someone like that. But you, like I, am just an idiot commenting at Reason who has no actual power to make the political decisions necessary to change things.

  15. Not this lie again…

    “unemployment rate ticked up slightly to 6.1 percent, from 6 percent.”

    That ” unemployment rate ” is NEW CLAIMS. NOT TOTAL UNEMPLOYMENT.

    This fradulent mistepresentation tries to cover up the persistent Obama Depression

  16. (1) Giving people free money
    (2) Drilling into their minds the fear going outside and being near crowds
    (3) Eviction moratorium

    Well there you have it. Keebler elf Fauci spent continued to advise the nation that we should still wear masks and avoid crowds after being vaccinated. You think people are eager to go back to their jobs?

    Is this a bad time to remind people that minority unemployment under Trump were historically low? And that factories that busted by ICE hired black workers? Oh well, you get what you voted for.

    1. We all lived through the same pandemic. Some of you are reacting to it with fear, denial, and hysteria, and some of us are looking for opportunities to innovate in a new technological and practical reality.

      I don’t see much here other than an admission that you’re on the emotionally fragile side of this spectrum.

      1. Using government to take things from people isn’t innovative.

        1. Like shutting down businesses that don’t have enough square footage while driving all remaining commerce to large corporations? These people literally had their livelihoods taken from them while the government picked other businesses to survive the pandemic. Using government to take things from people appears to be a winning strategy these days. May be good. May be bad. But it’s where we are now. And that means that effective innovation will take account of this new reality.

          1. Grasp at them straws lefty shit.
            All those takings were the result of lefty shits like you and Newsom. Whine to them; don’t try to use it as justification for your preferred theft.

          2. Government actions like favoring large businesses is bad. So the answer is more government?

        2. Government doesn’t take anything. Government makes its own money, then it spends its own money on large and, ideally, necessary projects at the behest of the people. Projects like roadz and a criminal justice system.

          Don’t tell anyone because it’s a secret, but government doesn’t tax you to pay for the stuff it does. As we’ve seen, it can do what it wants without raising anyone’s taxes. That’s because it spends first, taxes later. And when the money for taxes come in, it disappears into the thin air whence it came. Government used to actually burn cash it took in taxes.

          Taxes are for redistributing wealth according to ethical norms, that’s all. Those norms include rewarding work, or rewarding investing, or rewarding plunder, whatever you like.

          Death and taxes. How many times do you have to be told? You wouldn’t like the alternative, which is just death.

          1. Tony, that is a hot mess. Even for you.
            Mix in treasury bonds please.

            1. Oh, those grow on trees, obviously.

              1. Clearly. Obviously. Of course. It did make me chuckle though.

          2. Spot on concerning federal financing. I’m amazed you have the patience to “interact” with the mindless twits on this ridiculous site. Good luck, man.

          3. The fact you believe this is the astounding thing. Tell me what happens if the government just stopped collecting taxes? Would everything just be cool? Not even remotely.

      2. A practical reality involves vaccinated or previously infected people getting back to their unmasked pre pandemic lives. Clearly you don’t want that.

        1. Or the new lives they want to live. Lots of busy-bees have discovered that they are mortal this past year and may not want to spend their minuscule amount of time on stupid bullshit they hate.

          Don’t fear change. You’re supposed to be a capitalist. You can’t be that and culturally conservative too. You have to allow for things to change, or otherwise you’ll find yourself supporting autocratic enforcement of your cultural specifications. And that’s just infantile.

          1. I dread your prog agenda. It’s pure evil.

      3. “I don’t see much here other than an admission that you’re on the emotionally fragile side of this spectrum.”

        This from the cluically-challenged side of the spectrum.

  17. Boy, you can have robust unemployment insurance, hundreds of thousands of new jobs at a 6% unemployment rate with virtually zero inflation?!? Sign me up.

    1. Pay your mortgage yet, you steaming pile of lefty shit?

    2. Have you put gas in a car? Have you paid for groceries with your own money? Have you bought construction materials lately? Inflation is here Amsoc.

      1. Scarcity is here. Lots of industries took a bit of a break, you know.

        1. Printing more money is the culprit. But you do get a trophy for effort.

          1. If you want to believe that, I urge you to. Most of the lies you believe are dangerous to me. This one just means I get to make more money off of your wrongheaded investment decisions.

            1. Yes. The truth is dangerous to you. Please explain my investment decisions. Thanks.

              1. If you’re investing based on the premise that hyperinflation is around the corner, that means you are buying and selling opposite to me, roughly speaking. May the real capitalist win.

                1. If? Roughly speaking? What are my investment decisions again? Please be specific.

        2. The left always turns plenty into scarcity. This is where equality comes into play.

          1. And by “equality” they mean “some people are more equal than others”.

    3. Inflation inbound.

  18. Why are they not mentioning the fact that people are not returning to low wage jobs that don’t sustain them? Why is No one mentioning life sustainable wages or the fact that UC pays people more than their average earnings…

    1. Because we’re trying to avoid repeating steaming piles of lefty bullshit, lefty bullshitter.

    2. If the previous wages didn’t sustain them, how are they still around?

      1. SNAP, child tax credits, TANF, CHIP, yadda yadda acronyms for government cheese.

        1. So they stay home for another 50 years?

    3. Good grief, you’re one of those mensa morons.

    4. Why are you not mentioning where the government provided unemployment compensation gets its funding?

  19. And as a steaming pile of lefty shit, you have no evidence whatsoever that any of that was required.
    Yadda, yadda, lefty bullshit.

    1. Are you serious? I mean, I know you’re not all there, so answer that however it makes sense to you.

      Do the math on full time minimum wage, or even median wages, and tell me how some form of external subsidy isn’t required for a single earner household of 4, for instance.

      Government has been subsiding businesses that rely on low wage labor quite thoroughly.

      1. Subsidizing

      2. If you can’t afford to support a family of four, don’t have a family of four!

        Why are other people obligated to pay for your poor life decisions?

        1. Because something something CEOs. Something something privilege. Something something Trump.

        2. Who said anything about that? I said that people have been getting by through government cheese and so have companies’ whose business model depends on lots of low wage labor. Assign that opinion to someone who actually expresses it.

          1. “Who said anything about that?”

            Your new BFF GeoffB1972, many other lefty shits, and while I’m not going to waste time looking, you’re entirely stupid and dishonest enough to have done so yourself.

        3. If your business model doesn’t allow you to pay $20 an hour, find a new business model!

          Why are other people obligated to sell their labor at substandard rates to make up for your poor business decisions?

          If you don’t have enough cash on hand to keep your airline going during a pandemic, close your airline and sell of the pieces!

          Why are taxpayers obligated to keep unprofitable businesses aloft?

          1. “GeoffB1972
            May.7.2021 at 9:33 pm

            “If your business model doesn’t allow you to pay $20 an hour, find a new business model!…”

            Great! Seemed stinking piles of lefty shit got embarrassed by this sort of bullshit, but seems we have brand new 3rd year 6th grade student!
            Hey, fucking lefty ignoramus, why not $50/hour? Too bit a number to pull out of your ass?
            Fuck off, slaver.

            1. Ahem. 7th grader. And I find a certain irony in being called a slaver for suggesting that people shouldn’t be forced to take jobs that pay less than they’re willing to sell their labor for. I would add that businesses shouldn’t be forced to by labor for more than they’re willing to pay. No, the government shouldn’t set a minimum wage. But nor should the government run a guest-worker program to help businesses when they’re short handed. Should the government subsidize the unemployed? Probably not. But they also shouldn’t subsidize the airlines. At a certain point, there are so many government created market distortions that it is no longer possible to determine the fair market value of something. Its value can only be approximated within a system where prices are driven as much by government distortions as actual value. That’s where we are today. So what should someone make for an hour’s labor? Whatever they can to a willing buyer. But that’s not where we are today because illegal immigration and guest worker programs have artificially inflated the labor market driving wages down until recently. So where are we now? Let’s say I have a car I want to sell for $15000. And you want to buy it for $12000. In some circumstances, you’d be willing to pay a little more if I were willing to accept a little less. But in other circumstances, you’d keep your $12000 and I’d keep my car. That’s the labor market today. And just as it it wrong and stupid for the government to try to force you to pay me more than my labor is worth to you, it’s also wrong and stupid for the government to try to make me sell my labor for less than my time is worth to me. You will note that I couldn’t hold out if it weren’t for generous unemployment benefits. And I will point out that without immigration, wages would have naturally risen higher due to a tight labor market. It sucks. No question. But it’s where we are.

              1. I plan to hold out for $500,000,000/hour. That is the minimum I am willing to sell my labor for. And until a business hires me for that, you are obligated to pay my bills. Thanks.

                1. If you want to live on the meager offerings of a basic safety net, you can be my guest. Your bills are a) a financial fiction devised to secure you a place to live with 20% down or less and b) cash in exchange for energy to run your toaster.

                  Since we don’t want you homeless and polluting our streets, some basic housing, three squares, and maybe a little health insurance should suffice to keep you from being a burden on the rest of us.

                  1. I want cable tv, high speed internet, a new Ophone, several vacations a year, an electric vehicle and while waiting for my job free college tuition. I have 5 kids too.

                    1. Now apply this same little game you are playing to boards of public companies. “I’m holding out for $0.45/hr! I want 20 hour workdays and no overtime and no benefits and even better if they aren’t even citizens. Each of the board members has 5 mcmansions and are on our 3rd wives, too.”

                    2. The market decides. Except when government interferes. And when we stop subsidizing people to stay at home, we can lower taxes. So the working folks keep more pf that paycheck. I need a new tv too. Bigscreen of course. The guy with the mcmansion has several.

                    3. “Now apply this same little game you are playing to boards of public companies. “I’m holding out for $0.45/hr! I want 20 hour workdays and no overtime and no benefits and even better if they aren’t even citizens. Each of the board members has 5 mcmansions and are on our 3rd wives, too.”

                      Now apply this same pile of the politics of envy to suggest you aren’t some scumbag piece of shit who hasn’t yet talked someone into paying you more than you’re worth.
                      Sorry, lefty pile of shit; janitorial services are worth the $7.50/hour you’re getting paid.
                      Don’t like it? Fuck off slaver.

              2. “Ahem. 7th grader.”

                Not a chance. Lefty shits outgrow such idiocy by the 4th year in 6th grade.
                Fuck off and die, slaver.

              3. Oh, and:
                “…I find a certain irony in being called a slaver for suggesting that people shouldn’t be forced to take jobs that pay less than they’re willing to sell their labor for…”

                Thank you for proving you’re a steaming pile of lefty shit and a slaver. And and an ignoramus of abysmal levels besides.
                Were you “forced” to be the barrista you were qualified to be, or did you take it since delivering news papers was too difficult?

          2. Customers determine the wages. I do agree that a business that fails should be allowed to fail. Just like a public sector pension. Or a household.

            1. Pffffffftttt. Dude, customers do not determine wages.

              1. “Pffffffftttt. Dude, customers do not determine wages.”

                Marxist piece of shit proves Marxist piece of shit has no idea of what drives the market.
                The consumer determines prices,wages and every other condition of the market, and as a scumbag lefty piece of shit, if you’d claim otherwise, lets see your bullshit claims.
                Oh, and BTW: Give your dog a place to piss; fuck off and die.

          3. “If your business model doesn’t allow you to pay $20 an hour, find a new business model!”

            And eliminate all jobs for those that aren’t worth $20/hour – which is everyone without work experience, aside from government jobs (where competence won’t matter) and the small percentage of people who can qualify through college courses for the small percentage of jobs for doctors and lawyers. For everyone else getting out of school, you’d better have family influence to persuade an employer that it’s worthwhile to lose money on you for at least the first few months.

      3. Oh, please. The number of four-person households being supported on minimum wage is practically non-existent. Minimum is paid to first-time workers, like students; to people who work full time and have a second job; and people who live with full-time earner and are supplementing household income. They are barely 2% of the working population.

        1. I said median wages too. Up until 20/hr plus healthcare, you’re in poverty territory.

          1. You’re still full of shit. And what about those families of 12, oh, brain-dead lefty shit?

          2. Only if you are selfish and think you need a bunch of materialistic toys to keep up with the Joneses and/or you are lazy thinking a workweek is 40 hours. Get a second job or create a side business.

      4. “…Do the math on full time minimum wage, or even median wages, and tell me how some form of external subsidy isn’t required for a single earner household of 4, for instance…”

        Notice how fucking lefty ignoramuses *always* attempt to load an argument in the hopes no one notices their steaming pile of shit.
        Hey, lefty asshole, why not a family of 12?

    2. One point of clarification: Trendy Lefties actually don’t “YADA YADA YADA.” Rather, they “NATTER NATTER NATTER.”

  20. The women will return wen schools reopen for real.
    All workers will return when the ‘bonus bucks’ run out in June (unless extended)
    All workers will return as the evictions hit now that the courts have joined the #defund CDC movement.

  21. “If you want more of something, subsidize it; if you want less of something, tax it.” ~~Ronald Reagan

    Fast forward to today. Staying out of work is subsidized and on the administrations wish list is raising taxes on businesses. I wonder how that’s going to turn out.

  22. These numbers are well below forecasts from economists who predicted that April would see the addition of around 1 million jobs, and the unemployment rate falling to 5.8 percent.

    Economics: The science of explaining why your predictions were wrong.

    1. Pretty sure those predictions were based on a POTUS with an IQ higher than his wife’s age.

  23. Lol.

    Still better than Trump.

    /picks nose.

  24. So for a long time, corporate welfare has allowed wealthy corporatins to pay non-living wages and rely on government welfare to make up the difference, raising public debt and increasing private profit. Now that unemployment benefits have been raise to a living wage level, businesses must raise wages to a living wage and workers will flock to them Complaining because they have to pay a living wage and arguing to return to the old corporate welfare system exposes the hypocrisy behind objections to paying a living wage and ending this corporate welfare scam.

    1. They act like labor is an entitlement and it’s the government’s job to create a big enough labor force to drive wages down to what they feel they should pay. This is what gets me. You can tell me there should be no minimum wage and the market should set wages. But don’t turn around and say that government policy – and I mean J-1s, H1Bs and guest worker programs, not just unemployment benefits – should be used to alter the labor market when wages get “too high.”

      1. GeoffB1972
        May.7.2021 at 9:47 pm
        “…This is what gets me…”

        What gets me is the total of your ignorance and dishonesty.
        Fuck off, slaver.

    2. “So for a long time, corporate welfare has allowed wealthy corporatins to pay non-living wages and rely on government welfare to make up the difference, raising public debt and increasing private profit…”

      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.
      Fuck off, slaver.

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  26. No one gives a shit anymore. This started a long time ago..accelerated during the subprime when the well connected got bailed out (sorry they should have been allowed to go under and the maleinvestments liquidated for a true recovery)…I know a few men in their 40’s that told me they are done working. They have a couple of side gigs (amazing how much money you can make on ebay or selling crap online…going to good will stores and buying good stuff or hitting target and walmart when the pokeman or Yugo or what not cards are delivered and buying them up and reselling…you do that and collect a check from the govt. Hell many of them are selling weed on the side..and giving the corporate man the finger. Why go back? If the well connected got PPP loans for their “businesses”, and govt officials got hundreds of thousands of dollars with the covid “stimulus” why should you work? It’s all coming to an end…inflation is hitting how, the Fed will NEVER raise rates, the media and their fetch boy the democratic party and corn pop will just buy as many votes as necessary with their tribes (teacher unions, govt workers, non -profit grifters, academics)..why should the working man work anymore….fuck it

    1. This is my perception as well. Everyone is getting in line for the government handouts. Holding out just gets you further back in line. Not taking PPP was not an option for eligible businesses. It’s a competition out there, and passing on 3 months of payroll means your competitors are not, and then they have more resources to out compete you with. The game is rigged, and there is no point to being the sole fair player.

      1. “…The game is rigged, and there is no point to being the sole fair player…”
        Yes it is, courtesy of lefty shits like you.

  27. Woman on the news this evening, escorted by her son; turns out to be a media star.
    75 years old, still cleaning hotel rooms, got fired, and it’s obvious, I’m to be sympathetic. Nope.
    1) You spent, say, 50 years of your life doing menial labor and never tried to find a way to provide more value and get a raise? Fuck you with your son’s dick.
    2) You did nothing to provide for retirement, expecting your employer to keep you on until they carried you out on a stretcher?
    Fuck you with your son’s dick.
    3) Your son did nothing to help you even in your 70s?
    Fuck you with your son’s dick.
    The woman had all her faculties about her; no sign of ‘droolin-Joe’ issues, and yet it seems the firing cam as a surprise.
    These (her, her son and her other relatives) are the sorts of parasitic assholes who are due S/S and whatever the family can do, and nothing else.

  28. Fuck any employers that don’t want to pay people enough to overcome the paltry unemployment payouts. They deserve to eat shit. Damn slavers!

    1. Fuck piles of shit slavers who claim they are worth more than anyone is willing to offer.
      Did your mommy tell you someone should pay for her idiot son? Are your stupid enough to believe it?
      I’m guessing the answer is yes, fucking pile of lefty shit. Go see it someone will pay you for shoveling animal shit from farms; seems that’s the limit of your abilities.

      1. Nice fascist “piece-o-shit” response.

        1. Pull that pile of shit out of your mouth?
          I see our newest stinking pile of lefty shit has returned to prove once again how fucking stoooooooooopid lefty shits can be.
          Make your family proud, asshole: Fuck off and die. Your dog needss a place to piss.

        2. And just for grins, let’s make clear the fucking stoooooopidity of our newest pile of lefty shit:
          And then, stinking pile of lefty shit, you disagree with my assertion that the market establish the value of your labor (and I’m guessing yours isn’t worth shit).
          So now tell us how the specific value of Jeff’s labor (who holds a bachelors in ‘philosophy’ and lives in Manteca, CA) compares to Sally (who holds no degree, but is a knock-out plumber and lives in SF, CA).
          And, please, show your work so we can all laugh at you, lefty asshole.

          1. “So now tell us how the specific value of Jeff’s labor (who holds a bachelors in ‘philosophy’ and lives in Manteca, CA) compares to Sally (who holds no degree, but is a knock-out plumber and lives in SF, CA).
            And, please, show your work so we can all laugh at you, lefty asshole.”

            Hey, steaming pile of lefty shit, I asked you (regardless of your assholish claim my method was “fascist”) to tell us what the value of every worker is, and that you show your work.
            24 hours later, your silence (regardless of your obvious ‘confidence’) says you have absolutely no way of determining the values of every single worker, right?
            Or were you caught in bullshit (again) and have wandered off in the hopes people forget what a fucking ignoramus you are?

        3. BTW, lefty pile of shit, I want *specifics*; tell us how your arrive at the labor rate for Jeff, for Sally and for every other worker.
          Did you have your nephew throw dice? Do you assume a fucking ignoramus like you might have any inclining?
          SPECIFICS, lefty pile of shit. Or STFU.

          1. For EVERY OTHER WORKER, lefty shit; show your work.

  29. The old “people are saying” jobs are being offered and not accepted. Where’s the hard evidence for that? Shouldn’t the author have bothered to include the number of jobs being offered? What number is that?

    1. The quick answer to your question is “they don’ need no stinkin’ facts.” Some commenter yesterday claimed that VA has one of the most generous UI payments in the country (up to nearly $2k/mo IIRC) and there was a net gain, albeit small, of jobs there in April so that seems to argue against the claim of this article. I also saw a news item where a shop owner offered $15/hr and was flooded with applicants. So, if libertarians really believed in what they claim to believe the private sector could and should take the lead on solving unemployment by offering a living wage.

      1. In eastern WA, lots of entry to mid level jobs go unfilled, and we have one of the highest minimum wages in the country.

    2. Lord of Strazele
      May.8.2021 at 10:52 am
      “The old “people are saying” jobs are being offered and not accepted. Where’s the hard evidence for that?”

      The old “I’m a lefty shit and really hope I’m not wrong” from a lefty shit:
      “https://www.indeed.com/l-San-Francisco,-CA-jobs.html”
      This is SF, where the population is dropping, just so you know, lefty shit.

  30. So, what are you clowns going to use as a blabbing point if next month’s report shows 1+ million new jobs? Might want to start working on it now.

    1. We’re gonna laugh at piles of lefty shit like you. Fuck off and die.

      1. Ooops! May have been trolled.
        Is there any non-troll lefty who actually believes that? Not on your life.
        Prolly got trolled bu OBL…

  31. Are there any Democrats who aren’t economically illiterate? Yellen was a disaster as Fed chairman and is just as bad as Treasury secretary.

    1. Not anymore. The party ran out almost everyone who is reasonable.

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  34. America’s employers added just 266,000 jobs last month, sharply lower than in March and a sign that some businesses are struggling to find enough workers as the economic recovery strengthens.

    With viral cases declining and states and localities easing restrictions, businesses have added jobs for four straight months, the Labour Department said Friday. Still, the unemployment rate ticked up to 6.1 per cent from 6 per cent in March.

    At the same time, optimism about the economic recovery is growing. Many Americans are flush with cash after having received $1,400 US federal relief checks, along with savings they have built up after cutting back on travel, entertainment and dining out over the past year. Millions of consumers have begun spending their extra cash on restaurant meals, airline tickets, road trips and new cars and homes.
    https://worldabcnews.com/u-s-economy-added-266000-jobs-last-month-as-companies-cant-find-enough-workers/

    1. Whoever is paying you to distribute propaganda is irrelevant; you got the click.

  35. We see that Monomath seems to have issues when called on bulshit.
    Fuck off and die, Monomath; the world and your family will thank you.

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