The CDC Finally Admits That Vaccinated People Don't Need Masks Outdoors

Rochelle Walensky: "There are many situations where fully vaccinated people do not need to wear masks."

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) updated its public health guidance on Tuesday, finally conceding that people who are fully vaccinated do not need to wear masks while outdoors.

"There are many situations where fully vaccinated people do not need to wear masks," said CDC Director Rochelle Walensky, citing mounting evidence that the disease does not spread easily outdoors. "If you are fully vaccinated and want to attend a small outdoor gathering with people who are vaccinated or unvaccinated, the science shows, if you are vaccinated, you can do so safely unmasked."

Her remarks prompted a few reporters to ask why anyone has to wear a mask outdoors if COVID-19 is not easily spread under such circumstances, and whether vaccinated people wearing masks indoors was more about sending the right message than actually keeping people safe. In both of those cases, Walensky urged people to stick to the restrictions until more of the population is vaccinated and case rates have declined further.

Federal health officials are still being too cautious, as is their custom. Yet it's an encouraging sign that the CDC has made this concession, since it means that the intellectual defenders of universal masking (such as Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann) are no longer following either the most up-to-date science or the official guidelines. They have no leg to stand on.

Indeed, Walensky explicitly said that government mask mandates should be changed to comply with the CDC's new position, which is that vaccinated people do not need masks outdoors. It's not much, but it's something.

Comments

[Minadin]

Missouri hasn't had any mask mandates, state-wide.

St. Louis City and County have, for about a year now, but never outdoors. With one exception - our coed recreational softball team is required to where masks while on the bench or around the bench area, but not on the field. That's a city requirement. Regardless of vaccination status.

[loveconstitution1789]

Georgia never had mask mandates or lockdowns.

We have travelers from all over the USA during the last year while many states were on Commie lockdown.

Our economy is booming and we're fine.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

No, Georgia isn’t fine. It’s infected. By democrats.

We need a vaccine against them.

[Longtobefree]

The Babylon Bee had a good headline a while back
"Texas imposes 30 year quarantine on people moving in from California or New York".

[Carter Mitchell]

Are 30 years long enough?

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[Minadin]

Their take on the CDC 'safer activities' guidelines was pretty good:

https://babylonbee.com/news/the-babylon-bee-guide-to-choosing-safer-activities

[Freethinksman]

It's too late for that.

[De Oppresso Liber]

Back from deprogramming camp? No Trump Jr. emoticon spam, I see.

[Chumby]

Unvaccinated people don’t need masks outdoors.

[Nail]

I’ll raise you— people don’t need masks.

[Dillinger]

definitely don't need CDC.

[MP]

The CDC is one of the few Federal organizations that have a pretty clear justification for existence. But it's impossible for any branch of the Government to avoid becoming politicized and/or have mission creep.

[Dillinger]

iirc they're the ones who for 47 years said don't wear masks and then last year said wear masks or everyone dies but i could be wrong.

[Longtobefree]

Actually even now, if you dig far enough into their website, they admit that for the real flu (but NOT the Communist Chinese Virus) there is no science for or against masks even for 'Unvaccinated Asymptomatic Persons, Including Those at High Risk for Influenza Complications'.

[Dillinger]

>>there is no science for or against masks

so I guess CDC was useful in the sense it told us this part.

[jgress]

I mean it can’t be that Covid is different from flu and that advice about preventing flu may not work for preventing Covid, can it?

[Dillinger]

no.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"...mission creep"

Right; if the CDC imposing a ban on evictions isn't "mission creep," then I surely do not know what is.

[Chumby]

Center for Disease Control and Prevention and Private Housing

[ElvisIsReal]

And Handling the Vaping Crisis.

[Eeyore]

Vaping pandemic.

[Longtobefree]

Vaping gunmen pandemic - - - - - - -

[MatthewSlyfield]

What about the lackanookie pandemic?

[Minadin]

This is the dawning of the age of aquarius.

[Chumby]

And the Trans Recognition Refusal Disorder

[swillfredo pareto]

if the CDC imposing a ban on evictions isn’t “mission creep,” then I surely do not know what is.

Their use of words like "epidemic" and "contagious" when butting in on policy discussions on shootings and smoking.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Do they? In what sence? They listed guns as a health crisis, and put out a study saying vaping causes heart attack that predate vaping. The only thing they have shown in the last 20 years is that they are a wast of time, a waste of money, and a waste of life

[Echospinner]

Because most people just know about the CDC from the controversial stuff the press covers. They don’t know about all of the really useful stuff they have been doing for the past 50 years.

For example the latest issue of MMWR contains in addition to several Covid related articles information on malaria tracking, Ebola vaccine, outbreaks of e.coli, and workers comp injuries.

[Carter Mitchell]

Or indoors for that matter. Or anywhere else.

[BDavi52]

But what if you're getting ready to rob a bank or some sort of Brinks Armored Car? Shouldn't we wear a mask then?

[Ron]

If your vaccinated you should be able to spend time with any number of people indoors or out. this small out door gathering is just saying we were wrong but we won't open up all the way so we don't have to admit to being wrong.

[Square = Circle]

won’t open up all the way so we don’t have to admit to being wrong.

^ This is the essence of it right here. People greatly underestimate the extent to which "I don't want to admit I was wrong" drives so, so much awfulness in the world.

[BYODB]

Given the extent of the damage they've done with their misguided policies, it's probably wise from a survival standpoint for them to double down on being wrong.

Both their political survival, and perhaps even their actual survival given what they've done to some people's lives so capriciously. It amounts to 'let them eat cake', with no regard to how people actually make a living and survive.

Makes one wonder what conditions could arise to make them actually do the right thing going forward. It's a serious case of conflicts of interest between their political careers and doing what's best for the actual human's they ostensibly serve.

I'd guess they're just going to slowly dial down their panic mongering over time, until they can pull a 'mission accomplished' out of their ass using whatever favorable statistics they can dredge out of a deeply biased academia.

Sadly, it's starting to look like that process of dialing down might take six months to a year. If not longer due to the unwarranted panic they drummed up in the populace.

[Ron]

the unwarranted panic they drummed up in the populace"
considering teh fear of that mother allowing her grandparents to visit in another article i must agree. certain people who seem to vote a certain way are scared

[Claptrap]

I'm hopeful it won't take that long. With a critical mass of vaccines and a couple of studies they moved pretty quickly from "MASKS UP EVERYWHERE!" to "yeah, ok, outside doesn't matter." They're still accountable to politicians after all, and Joe Biden definitely doesn't want his CDC to be the reason the DNC is dealing with an even more unfavorable map for the next decade.

Even the risk-averse are largely coming around. Well-educated professionals (i.e. the primary base of support for the restrictions) have been socialized since kindergarten that shots = safety, and they're acting accordingly on personal matters. The leisure, commercial, and professional realms will soon follow.

The last to fall in line will almost definitely be the schools, but there's institutional rot driving that moreso than any health concerns.

[BYODB]

When they're saying vaccinated people still need to wear masks anywhere, they're telling you they don't give a flying fuck about any kind of science. Real, or imaged.

So, it's theater. One can posit all kinds of reasons for the theater, of course, but it's theater none the less.

[Claptrap]

No argument here.

[Brett Bellmore]

When they say they don't know if people who've HAD Covid have any immunity, they're doubling down on it.

All their vaccine does is make the body think it has Covid, so it will mount an immune response.

Sure, vaccines are generally safer than the disease they're for, but they're not typically more effective.

[Carter Mitchell]

"Makes one wonder what conditions could arise to make them actually do the right thing going forward."
Another Nuremberg with similar endings would be motivating. Publicize the trials, publicize the hangings.

[Untermensch]

This may be the only article that has called Keith Olbermann and “intellectual defender” or anything, ever.

[NoVaNick]

I hope Olbermann decides to keep his face permanently covered, and duct tapes his mouth too

[ElvisIsReal]

The CDC once again months behind the people.

[mad.casual]

In all fairness, months behind and only taking the baby step of vaccinated+outdoors=no mask, they're in no danger of catching up anytime soon.

[BYODB]

The assumption would be that if you are vaccinated there is no reason whatsoever to wear a mask, unless you're saying the vaccination doesn't do it's one job.

Of course, we'd need some way to mark the people who have been vaccinated to avoid the minor problem of them being beaten to death in public for the thought-crime of not wearing one.

And, of course, we would all need to provide our papers upon request to any officer who requests them to prove we have dispensation from the central government to travel, work, or otherwise interact in public society.

Right? I mean, isn't that where all this leads to?

Turns out, disease is a great recipe for instituting total control over a society even though none of the disease theater really accomplishes much (if anything).

After all, one can always claim those measures prevented some greater evil. One doesn't need proof to make such a claim, nor is proof really possible.

Shutting down all roads and making driving illegal would certainly save lives, after all, thus making travel illegal is an unmitigated good. Right?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Of course, we’d need some way to mark the people who have been vaccinated to avoid the minor problem of them being beaten to death in public for the thought-crime of not wearing one.

Perhaps something on the forehead, like a triple-digit number of some kind that's easy to remember.

[BYODB]

I was thinking more along the lines of a stamp on one's license, but I've been told minorities can't get those so I suppose they just won't be allowed to interact with society period.

Still won't need one to vote, merely to do literally every other thing under the sun.

No obvious problems there, but I suppose after we move over to electronic voting it'll be moot how anyone votes anyway.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

ZOOM!

Maybe this will help decode the snark.

Revelation 13:16-17 - And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

[BYODB]

I got it, it was pretty obvious. Wasn't worth talking about myths and legends with no basis in reality though.

I'd take a snarky reply about Jews and gold stars, since that's an actual thing that has happened thus it could be expected to happen again.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

Hey no point in reinventing the wheel, amIright?

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Ignoring snark? How DARE you!

[Longtobefree]

A bar code of three six-digit numbers would do quite well.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

"Thank you! Please speak your name as it appears on your current federal vaccination card, document IRS6969!"

" I'm not sure if..."

"You have entered the name "Not Sure." Is this correct, Not Sure?"

"No, it's not correct..."

"Thank you! "Not" is correct. Is "Sure" correct?"

"No, it's not, my name is Joe..."

"You have already confirmed your first name is "Not." Please confirm your last name, "Sure."

"My last name is not "Sure!"

"Thank you, Not Sure!

"No, what I mean is my name is Joe..."

"Confirmation is complete. Please wait while I tattoo your new vaccine record on your arm!"

[Square = Circle]

Turns out, disease is a great recipe for instituting total control over a society

Which oddly enough was spelled out in one of the foundational books of "postmodern" philosophy, yet even people who claim to be fans of Foucault don't seem to see it.

The Wiki page has a pretty good summary of one of the central nuggets:

"In the 18th century, when the French (1789–1799) and the American (1775–1783) revolutions inaugurated the Modern era those events also established a meta-narrative of scientific discourse that presented scientists as sages — specifically, the medical doctors — who would abolish sickness and resolve the problems of humanity. By that cultural perception, 19th-century society replaced the scientifically discredited mediaeval clergy with medical doctors."

I had a deconstructionist professor 20 years ago who felt very strongly that "public health" would be the next guise under which totalitarianism would manifest itself. He didn't live to see ObamaCare, though, so I don't know what he thought even of it, let alone what he would think about what's going on now.

[BYODB]

A fair point, and one I think gets discussed around here from topics as wide ranging as climate change to centralized healthcare.

In essence, academics are the new clergy of the modern era and serve much the same purpose in many of the exact same ways. There is always some percentage of people that defer to the clergy, no matter their stripe.

Somewhat ironically, medical doctors are falling behind in that realm because for the most part their 'science' needs to actually check out or they straight up kill people. Not that they are immune to those forces, of course, merely that it's easier to check their work against the bodies they directly produce.

[R Mac]

Looks interesting, I’ll check it out more later, but it appears to be supported by Fauci’s response to Jim Jordon’s question about the negative effects of the lockdowns on liberty. Which was that there are none.

It would have been a great exchange for Reason to cover, but apparently they don’t like Jim Jordan so it wasn’t important to them.

[Commenter_XY]

I'd still love an answer to what Congressman Jordan asked that weasel Fauci....what are the objective criteria and objective numbers to tell us we succeeded. And that weasel had nothing. Nothing!

Fauci just ain't worth 400K per year.

[BDavi52]

"We'd need some way to mark the people".

Absolutely right.
Say what you want about the evils of the Third Reich, they had 'marking people' down to a science. Now in their case they used 'gold stars' to indicate who was NOT approved, but we could easily use those same gold stars to indicate who WAS....and maybe even print vaccination number on the inside of all of our approved arms!

Given that, maybe those so-marked and tattooed wouldn't need to carry their papers (but always wise to have them on hand, just in case those guys with the long black coats need to make sure!).

At last! A Solution!

[M. Stack Overflow]

Maybe someday they'll admit that people that have been previously infected don't need vaccines or a single dose of the microsoft vaccine is sufficient. Yea...that will never happen. IFL Sciencety!

[Echospinner]

That data is coming in and “they” are publishing it and have funded the work.

From the NIH.

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/immune-response-vaccination-after-covid-19

So if it were me and I had recovered from proven Covid I would just get one dose which confers the same level of protection as two for uninfected. Currently the recommendation is to wait three months after the infection.

[M. Stack Overflow]

That data has been in for a while. At least long enough to influence the u.k. vaccination strategy months ago. A personal friend that had covid during Christmas is still testing positive for antibodies.

[JesseAz]

Yes, but we must still rage at Tucker Carlson for some reason.

[Don't look at me!]

Because people don’t get jokes anymore.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

They don't get jokes on purpose. It's like their brains have been programmed by social media to edit any context that is not self-affirming.

When I openly criticized sarcasmic while he was pretending to stomp off in a huff, he falsely claimed I threatened to kill him. Over the course of a few hours, it hysterically escalated from 'I wanted him dead' to 'I had attempted to lure him out in public so I could murder him and dump his body in the woods'.

Gaslighting in the open is a bold move. It exposes them as people you can never trust.

[R Mac]

Eh, everyone knows we broke poor sarc.

[M. Stack Overflow]

It's more likely he just got sick of playing stupid games with stupid people like you.

[Don't look at me!]

That can happen when you keep losing.

[M. Stack Overflow]

q.e.d.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

he just got sick of playing stupid games

Bullshit. You want to continue the gaslighting when I just called out someone for it? It doesn't work, stupid.

The rest of us are trying to engage in honest discourse. I believe sarc was completely serious that he felt threatened. Feeling threatened is your stock in trade.

[buckleup]

There will be plenty of people who still do it all summer you watch. And no doubt there will be tik tok videos and twitter fights.

Because that's who we are now a nation of snitches and liars.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"...more about sending the right message than actually keeping people safe."

Fuck yeah, in all things virtue must be signaled: otherwise, how else is everyone going to know what team you're on? Are you the with the party of "SCIENCE" or are you the only other alternative, a science denying deplorable racist misogynist cis gendered white supremacist reprobate?

Those are the only viable choices, and "smart people" must let you know they are with the right program.

[Dillinger]

intellectual and Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann in the same sentence is literary malpractice.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

It's not much, but it's something.

It's not something. It's not freedom of association. You know, that natural right acknowledged in the 1A that so many supposed libertarians have conceded to the authoritarians.

Get a clue, capitulators. The courts have already failed us. When someone says 'the Constitution is not a suicide pact', what they are really saying is that the Constitution is not an enforceable contract. If an agent of the state can prohibit us from doing something, it is obviously not a natural right. And once we lose one, we have effectively lost them all. The courts have the precedents set here.

We expect more from you Robbie.

[Tony]

A freedom of association isn't mentioned in the first amendment.

As to where "natural rights" are written, you'll have to explain that one.

[Dillinger]

or the right of the people peaceably to assemble

[Tony]

Which isn't the same thing.

And assembling during a pandemic, what with the increased risk of death, is arguably not peaceable activity. We could ask the Founders, if they knew what viruses were.

[MT-Man]

Terrible logic.

[JesseAz]

It's new speak to rationalize his authoritarianism.

[Zeb]

No. You don't know what "peaceable" means, apparently. And I know it's hard to believe, but there are other things that kill people other than a coronavirus. If exposing people to any amount of risk from infection with something is non-peaceable, then all assembly can always be banned.

[Tony]

I presume you are up in arms over the laws being passed granting immunity to people who run down civil rights protestors with their cars, or the various other statutes clearly intended to prevent such protests from happening. Aren't you?

Or is the extent of your concern for constitutional rights the request that you take basic hygiene precautions?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I presume you are up in arms over the laws being passed granting immunity to people who run down civil rights protestors with their cars, or the various other statutes clearly intended to prevent such protests from happening.

As long as they're white liberals, sure.

[Brett Bellmore]

Here's a clue: If you're protesting in the middle of a highway, stopping cars, you're not a protester anymore, just as if you protest by trying to set occupied buildings on fire, or breaking into stores to walk off with their merch.

Calling yourself a "protester" isn't some kind of trump card that lets you do anything you want. And everybody else isn't obligated to pay Reginald Denny in your historical reenactment.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

assembling during a pandemic, what with the increased risk of death, is arguably not peaceable

You can argue it, but you are wrong.

[Tony]

You only care what rightwing assclowns on TV tell you to care about.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Keep pretending that the people who oppose you get it from some third party and don't just legitimately think you are a raging asshole. It will help you sleep better.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Suddenly Tony is a pedant?

"The freedom of association — unlike the rights of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition — is a right not listed in the First Amendment but recognized by the courts as a fundamental right.
First Amendment protects two types of associative freedom
There are two types of freedom of association: the right to expressive association and the right to intimate association."

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1594/freedom-of-association

As to where “natural rights” are written, you’ll have to explain that one.

Wow! That is ballsy. How about the opening statement of Declaration of Independence?

"When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them"

Anything else, good sir?

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

You’re not capable of understanding that. Or much of anything else.

Kill yourself.

[Enjoy Every Sandwich]

The U.S. Supreme Court disagrees with you. Check their ruling in NAACP vs Alabama. Note that this is not some "extreme right-wing" ruling.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Pedantry does not make me wrong. SCOTUS placed free association under the 14A in that case because there was a violation of state statute involved.

[Enjoy Every Sandwich]

Er, I was disagreeing with Tony not with you. I don't see anything wrong with your argument.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Ah! Yes, the second line denotes a reply to a sub-comment. Tony's presence engenders a lack of trust in honest argumentation.

If it is any consolation, it got me to read the summary for the case. 🙂

[Dillinger]

and a lack of trust in breast augmentation.

[R Mac]

I honestly don’t think you’re smart enough to understand “natural rights”.

[Longtobefree]

Well Tony, it is clear that you went to public schools.

""We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence

[Sevo]

"...As to where “natural rights” are written, you’ll have to explain that one..."

Shitstain here seems to believe that if it isn't in the Constitution, you do not have that liberty.
Why, witness Amendment #2,849,008:
"The right to have a bee while watching a ballgame shall not be infringed"
Stuff your bullshit up your ass; your head is asking for company.

[BDavi52]

Splitting hairs are we? Counting how many angels can dance on pins?

"The United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama (1958) that freedom of association is an essential part of freedom of speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others."

"The freedom of association — unlike the rights of religion, speech, press, assembly, and petition — is a right not listed in the First Amendment but recognized by the courts as a fundamental right.
There are two types of freedom of association: the right to expressive association and the right to intimate association.
Additionally, the First Amendment protects a right to associate and a right not to associate together."

As to 'natural rights'....surely you would recognize certain truths to be self-evident: "that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

This really isn't that difficult is it?

[Quo Usque Tandem]

“Congress shall make no law . . . abridging . . . the right of the people peaceably to assemble.”

As with freedom of speech and religion, it is not a "positive" right but an area that the government may not encroach upon. That is what "natural rights" are.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

He can’t understand any of that. And if he did he wouldn’t care. Tony is a soulless thing. A creature of the prog collective.

[BYODB]

You forgot the exception clause about public health being a valid way for the government to suppress the right of assembly.

I mean, sure, there is no such thing but the government just conjured that ability and they'll be damned if they're going to give it up.

Oh, your 'protest' to get the government to redress grievances isn't' separating by six feet or wearing masks? Guess they get the tear gas and rubber bullets. You know, for their safety and well being.

[R Mac]

Now do BLM.

[BYODB]

I think BLM riots are 'allowed' precisely because local cities are terrified of them and their violence, but they aren't terribly scared of the relatively sedate protests that don't involve complete anarchy.

Thus there are at least two discreet types of protesters, and the non-violent one's don't get to participate until they too become violent.

It's a dangerous game, to be sure, and it turns the peacefully assemble bit on it's ear when only the violent get heard.

Of course, not that anyone is really listening to them even with the violence since what they want is amorphous and likely politically impossible without a government overthrow.

Might as well riot to make the Moon become cheese, unless BLM is willing to actually willing to take out people in power up to and including the White House.

Everyone knows they don't have the will, power, or numbers to make that happen so they patiently listen (as if listening to a child) and make a few superficial changes then go back to ignoring them entirely.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Interesting.

I read: sure, there is no such thing but the government

as there is no such thing as the government (lack of a comma, probably)

Present the argument as the representatives of the People restricting the People from associating with the People and the ridiculousness of what they have done is glaringly apparent.

[Longtobefree]

Commas are important.

"Let's eat Grandma".
"Let's eat, Grandma".

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Long live the Oxford comma

[Tony]

To those of us here in the real world of sanity, taking an unintrusive basic hygiene measure during a pandemic, even being overly cautious about it, is not, in fact, the next worst thing to child slavery. Anyone addicted to Tucker Carlson, of course, is absolutely convinced that it's the biggest oppression since trans people using bathrooms.

You're not on a fucking crusade of freedom. You're just participating in the latest utterly conjured wedge issue by a political faction that has no real ideas about anything because it spent half a century making people stupid in exchange for their stupidity-based votes.

It's just a fucking spittle shield. If it's your biggest problem in life, congratulations, you would be winners at live, except, of course, for the major psychological pathologies. And I'm sorry you have to deal with that.

[MP]

Look, if you want to be a Karen, be a Karen. But please don't pretend that "being overly cautious" is the same as "science".

[Quo Usque Tandem]

He's not just a "Karen," but a fucking moron. IOW, a waste of time.

[Tony]

Asking you not to cough your virus on people is not even unlibertarian. You don't have a right to kill people with negligence. If I have to explain that, your favorite political commentators aren't doing a very good job at educating you.

[MP]

Believing that coughing in open air in public in a non-crowded space during an airborne pandemic is "killing people" is sheer lunacy. Moron states like MA have outdoor mask regulations in public parks regardless of any ability to socially distance.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/fully-vaccinated-guidance.html

[JesseAz]

Asking you to not drive above 15 miles per hour is not even unlibertarian. You don't have a right to kill people with high speed motorized transport. If I have to explain that, your favorite political commentators aren't doing a very good job at educating you.

[Don't look at me!]

15mph? You speed demon maniac! No pedestrian child can survive getting hit by a car at 15 mph! Why do you hate children?

[R Mac]

5 mph it is! For the children.

[Tony]

I don't understand what's the great impediment to freedom of wearing a mask during a pandemic. Do you actually believe that it is, or are you just letting cynical Republican operatives do your thinking for you?

Yeah we make such trade-offs in society. A mask isn't a big sacrifice. It's just a piece of cloth. Like pants. Do you object to having to wear pants in public at threat of government sanction? Arguably, they are even more difficult to put on, depending on your girth.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I don’t understand what’s the great impediment to freedom of wearing a mask during a pandemic.

The mask is a talisman and completely ineffective.

A mask isn’t a big sacrifice. It’s just a piece of cloth. Like pants.

If it's just a piece of cloth, it won't stop a virus.

[Sevo]

Tony
April.27.2021 at 6:03 pm
"I don’t understand what’s the great impediment to freedom of wearing a mask during a pandemic..."

What you are too stupid to understand it that it's not your opinion that matters to me.
Put another way, it's none of your business, shitstain.

[Spiff]

I live in a certain northeastern blue state where masks are generally required wherever one goes. If you're symptomatic and coughing/sneezing (regardless of what underlying infection might be), I would agree that wearing a mask and socially distancing yourself from others (if you can't avoid public spaces and stay home) is thoughtful behavior. But the extent to which these assholes demand that healthy people with no signs of infection must "mask up" (I hate that fucking phrase, especially when accompanied with its stupid thumbs-up smiley-face emoji) is pathologizing perfectly natural, normal and safe human behavior (statistically speaking).

What makes it worse are the asinine, arbitrary rules for masks while dining indoors. I can sit down at my table and cough and wheeze without a mask all I want. Sure, I might get asked to leave, but there is no order requiring my mask to be worn once my head drops two feet in elevation (all I need is a cup of water in my hand). But if I stand up (and even hold my breath!), I am "putting lives at risk". Man, that is one particular virus. Reminds me of a sort of thinking from ages past. Hmm, what could it be? It's not science. It's not medicine. Ah yes, it's benighted, medieval religious ritualism deployed to placate the uncertainty and ignorance of the NPC masses!

Welcome to your new faith.

[justabill]

COVID is over in the US for anyone who's chosen to be vaccinated. There's no reason to force anyone to do anything for COVID-19 at this point. By now (or by the end of May at the latest) anyone in the US who has even a tiny risk of dying from COVID has had the opportunity to be fully vaccinated. Anyone in the US who has more than an infinitisimally small risk of dying from COVID is taking that risk by choosing not to be vaccinated. I shouldn't have to give up my freedoms because some people are choosing to risk catch COVID vs. choosing to risk the effects of vaccines.

[justabill]

Newsflash - as much as you hate it we have freedom in the US. The burden of proof for taking a way a freedom because of a "crisis" is ON YOU.

Can YOU PROVE that masks are needed for vaccinated people in the presence of other vaccinated people (or those too young to be vaccinated)?

Can YOU PROVE the masks are effective?

Can YOU PROVE that COVID19 is still a crisis?

If you can't prove all those things then the mask mandate is OVER.

[Square = Circle]

Asking you not to cough your virus on people is not even unlibertarian.

But that's not actually what you're talking about. What you're actually talking about is laws requiring vaccinated and otherwise completely healthy people to wear masks in contexts where even if they were sick the masks wouldn't be making any difference.

[Tony]

Or you could just stop whining and do what the CDC says, since it's a fucking global pandemic that has killed millions of people.

You could do that instead of letting cynical Republican pundits make you angry over nothing.

[Square = Circle]

Who's angry? I don't have any problem wearing a mask. I'm just pointing out how quickly you change the subject when you get called on your stupid declarations.

[Claptrap]

"SHUT UP AND DO AS YOU'RE TOLD. BECAUSE I SAID SO."

You're seriously not even trying anymore.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

If you have to wear a mask when you're already vaccinated, the vaccine is useless.

[Tony]

I think you people have some severe masculinity issues.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I think you people have some severe logic issues.

[Sevo]

Tony
April.27.2021 at 6:04 pm
"I think..."

Liar.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Ok, I won’t cough on you.

We good?

[BDavi52]

You must write for the Onion!
Congrats. You really had me going there for a minute.

I mean the idea that breathing in the vicinity of other human beings is NEGLIGENCE is brilliant! I never would have thought of that! Very Monty Pythonesque!

But really you need to go further: what about EXISTENCE itself? I mean isn't the fact that other people exist in the exact same world as you...and that they're fully capable of doing or not doing all kinds of things that may impinge upon your own Being....isn't that the very essence of Negligence?

I mean I've seen Sally down the street back out of her driveway; she's a menace. And Bill next door is not recycling his glass. And Steve uses non-organic fertilizers on his lawn which then wash into the watershed and kill our rivers and oceans. And Old People, in general, are a hazard. They move too slow; they're kinda clumsy; and that 'old people smell' has gotta be bad for ya.

Negligence is everywhere...and it can kill ya!

I agree -- just to be Super Safe -- Breathing AND Existence should all be banned!

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

You’re the one watching Tucker Carlson. You talk about him all the time. I’ll bet you fuck your ass with a dildo while you watch, wishing it were Tucker plowing your ass.

[Tony]

My fantasies about sexually humiliating repressed right-wing rich boys are beside the point.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

No, you’re clearly a sloppy bottom. I have no doubt you crave TC’s dick in your ass.

You’re also very stupid.

[Vulgar Madman]

Masks don’t do shit.

[Tony]

What a pity, I guess we all have to refrain from being in public until the virus is gone.

[JesseAz]

Seeing as 60% of hospitalizations were from fatties, you'd do better to mandate jeff eat some brussel sprouts.

[Claptrap]

"We tried to, but the Republicans on the Supreme Court called it unconstitutional!"

[Echospinner]

Maybe they don’t but I can’t get into the grocery store without one so I’m not going to loose sleep over it.

Most people were already not wearing masks outside anyway. It really doesn’t matter what the CDC says.

This will all be over soon anyway if we get enough jabs in arms.

[Don't look at me!]

Not everyone shares your sunny optimism.

[Echospinner]

It is happening right now in Israel.

I have been skeptical of herd immunity. My mind has changed about that.

We can do this. Americans can do this. We have the resources. People just need to actually put shoulders into it.

It is like a truck stuck in the mud or a snow bank. One more big push and we can get there.

[Commenter_XY]

Well...Yes, and maybe. Yes...Israel's vaccinations are predominantly PFZs mRNA vaccine. And it is working. Restrictions are being relaxed daily, it seems (I am a regular reader of ToI, Israel Hayom, and JPost) and Israel is rapidly recovering. The maybe part...we don't know jack on how long immunity lasts (a total crapshoot).

If this is an annual thing we need vaccinations for, that brings an entirely different set of problems.

[Set Us Up The Chipper]

Considering we have roughly 40% of the population who have natural immunity getting the other 30 some odd percent vaccinated shouldn't be a problem.

Why would one be skeptical about herd immunity? If it wasn't a thing we would not have survived. No viral host could survive w/o naturally occurring immunity for the community.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Not everyone believes that states will give up this power or be forced by SCOTUS to do so.

[BYODB]

You’re just participating in the latest utterly conjured wedge issue by a political faction that has no real ideas about anything because it spent half a century making people stupid in exchange for their stupidity-based votes.

This is extra amusing since it catches up your preferred political party in the condemnation, and you don't even seem to be aware of it.

Pretty literally the pot calling the kettle black, with no self awareness of it.

[Tony]

"I know you are but what am I" --what passes for an argument on the "non-stupid" side of the aisle.

[BYODB]

Is that how you read that? Well, that's just, like, your opinion man.

I suppose I'll just be over here, continuing to notice that COVID isn't all that novel of a disease and it didn't really justify the heavy handed control-theater we've witnessed over the past year.

You know, the side of established science. Not the side of spurious political science.

The phrase "Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety" comes pretty readily to mind.

And that phrase would appear to be prescient, given that this purchased safety would appear to be entirely illusory given there isn't a marked difference between places that locked down like Riker's Island and those that did not. You know, beyond the economic damage anyway.

[Square = Circle]

You know, the side of established science. Not the side of spurious political science.

C'mon - you know the Tony rules. Science is what CNN says it is.

[BYODB]

Yeah, it just makes my head spin to see people swallow it hook, line, and sinker.

I suppose about a hundred years of science isn't good enough to overturn a year of politicalization, after all.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"Yeah, it just makes my head spin to see people swallow it hook, line, and sinker"

I call that the troll's hook

[Tony]

The problem is you are fixated on taking a basic hygiene precaution that doesn't impede your liberty in any meaningful way because FOX News told you to care about that.

Meanwhile have you uttered a peep about Republican laws granting immunity to people who murder BLM protesters?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

a basic hygiene precaution

Funny how that wasn't considered "a basic hygiene precaution" until April of 2020.

[Tony]

So the CDC has eased requirements, as this article is about. Now are you gonna whine about how your conspiracy theory failed to pan out? Whose fault is that?

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Thanks for conceding that the goalposts have continually shifted and aren't based on any actual science.

[Tony]

Oh dear god no, not the goalposts.

You're here peddling conspiracy theories about masks during a pandemic. You are what historians refer to as a "kook." Kooks get people killed, sometimes by the millions. I don't know why you think you deserve to be listened to about tax policy.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

Pointing out that "public health experts" aren't basing their recommendations on science isn't a conspiracy.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

Goddamn, you’re just a raving faggot. Take it on down to the bathhouse and leave everyone else alone.

[Minadin]

"political faction that has no real ideas about anything because it spent half a century making people stupid in exchange for their stupidity-based votes."

Who isn't 'following the science", now?

Also, you have the parties mixed up: https://reason.com/volokh/2020/01/30/trump-supporters-verbal-ability/

[Tony]

From your link:

"But the Trump era is helping Democrats to catch up: the Republican advantage dropped to insignificance in 2016, and in 2018 Democrats (6.03 correct) actually scored slightly (but insignificantly) higher than Republicans (5.98 correct)."

Also, there are plenty of surveys showing that Trump supporters don't understand how the last election turned out.

[Minadin]

So your claim now is that it took them 50 years to make their voters as dumb as Democrats, and it just became statistically tied?

I'm trying to reconcile what was quoted (from you) above with what was quoted (by you) just now.

[Minadin]

Also, that was just the section on verbal acuity. Take a look at the science section below.

[Minadin]

I didn't think so. Thanks. Your party couldn't answer a 2-option basic science question about whether the earth orbits the sun or vice versa. Even with random guessing and a few people who ever took a science class, you should do a lot better than 49.6%.

[Zeb]

Wearing a mask for a year is not fucking unintrusive you fucking retard. Some of us have to go out in the world and do shit. Having to wear a mask for large parts of every day, and not being able to see people's faces has real, serious psychological and health consequences. You are a fucking piece of shit for ignoring all of that, and all of the other disastrous consequences of covid policies in your weird, single minded focus on one and only one danger.

[BYODB]

I feel the worst for retail employees and those on the bottom rung, since they've borne pretty much the entire brunt of this whole thing.

Imagine working at a Home Depot and lugging around 50lbs of paint, up ladders, wearing a mask all day. Or being straight up fired because sales are down, or because the resort you wait tables at had to shut down for a year.

It's weird that the exact class of people Democrats claim to want to help are the exact class of people they are harming the most with these policies. And it's not even something new or different from them, just more harmful by orders of magnitude.

Go figure.

[Tony]

More harm than dying of a respiratory disease?

[pro bonobo]

I had the f'ing disease (with comorbidity ) in late December and have had a natural immunity since mid January. Didn't need hospitalization but I did lose 20 lbs and looked unhealthy as hell... an Addams family pallor.

Despite the DANMASK-19 study , I had been wearing a mask properly... no, they are not magic shields.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

Unless you’re one of his progtard masters, anything you say to the idiot is just pops and buzzes.

[ElvisIsReal]

A lot of them have already had it. And strangely enough it wasn't during the 8 months of when they were working WITHOUT masks and the virus was circulating, but when the masks were mandatory.

[Tony]

We make such sacrifices to prevent millions of human deaths.

I'm sorry you've been so burdened. But I don't understand how you have the time to worry about this one minor hygiene measure and its consequences to liberty what with the other far greater injustices in the world you must obviously devote so much more time to, like poverty, climate change, racism, police brutality, and the like.

I believe it was James Madison who said "Freedom is whatever Tucker Carlson shrieks about today."

[pro bonobo]

It isn't a basic hygiene measure, it's a useless genuflection to St. Fauci to make Karens happy.

[Tony]

You're living through the biggest mass death event in American history.

You didn't luck out and get the kind that is harmless.

[pro bonobo]

No, I think I did luck out. Over 65, hypertensive and pudgy, I got ill but never dropped below 90% pulseOx and fever didn't exceed 102. Symptoms were manageable ... made my favorite coffee taste off but still drinkable... barely. All better now.

You've got this intellectual and political bigotry going on between your ears... it doesn't become you. Mask wearing is a "we gotta do something" mania, and the New Lefties love it 'cause it's as good as requiring non-lefties wear a yellow Star of David for enemy recognition.

[Tony]

The CDC is run by New Lefties, whatever that is?

They said you don't have to wear it outside if you're vaccinated. Nothing is happening here but an attempt to manage the worst disaster in American history.

And you're choosing to spend your time bitching about the hygiene precautions.

History doesn't look kindly on the people who bitched about masks during the 1918 pandemic, and it won't look kindly on you. Millions of people are dead. What was your problem again?

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

Exaggerate some more, lefty. It still won't make your penis any bigger.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

History doesn’t look kindly on the people who bitched about masks during the 1918 pandemic, and it won’t look kindly on you.

You mean that event where gathering restrictions, social distancing, and mask rules were implemented, and 600,000 people still died?

[Sevo]

"...We make such sacrifices to prevent millions of human deaths..."

Crawl in a hole and stay there, shitstain. Your heath is your responsibility, not mine.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

If it’s your biggest problem in life, congratulations, you would be winners at live, except, of course, for the major psychological pathologies.

Hey, I'm not the one who thinks a "basic hygiene measure" that failed 100 years ago and failed this time is actually something that should be turned into a standard public health recommendation from people who are moving the goalposts around faster than a landscaper.

Not everyone has battered spouse syndrome.

[Chuck P. (The Artist formerly known as CTSP)]

To those of us here in the real world of sanity, taking an unintrusive basic hygiene measure during a pandemic, even being overly cautious about it, is not, in fact, the next worst thing to child slavery.

You are right. It is worse. There is no need to suspend the Constitution to keep child slavery illegal and immoral. They fixed that part 150 years ago.

[Don't look at me!]

Why is the mask wearing society of Japan experiencing their 3rd wave and lockdown?

[Tony]

If masks don't work then we might have to really infringe on liberty.

I bet every last one of you cheered on every Bush torture program.

[pro bonobo]

You were dropped on your head as a child, weren't you?

Wear a mask to keep others safe... if you have reason to think you're infected. With anything respiratory. And stay home.

[Sevo]

Thrown, more likely, once its parents realized what a stinking pile of lefty shit they had.

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Haha. I bet that is a bet you would lose.

What is wrong with you, dude?

[Tony]

I'm tired of being surrounded by effeminate losers who are so anxiety-ridden about their facial fashion choices that they come on the internet and call hygiene a communist plot.

It's ridiculous. It's sad.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

Well stop hanging out with communists who on,I’ve to brag about their commie plots. Maybe you would be less of a commie if you got away from them.

[Sevo]

Tony
April.27.2021 at 2:29 pm
"To those of us here in the real world of sanity,..."

That would not include you under any circumstances.

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[Rich]

Walensky explicitly said that government mask mandates should be changed to comply with the CDC's new position

Who's the boss?

[Weigel's Cock Ring]

Rochelle Rochelle: A strange, erotic journey from Milan to Minsk.

[Jerry B.]

But the Democrats won’t believe this until they hear it from Dr. Fauci. Otherwise, it’s not “Science”.

[Don't look at me!]

You mean Saint Anthony.

[Tim V]

In the last week I went unmasked into 2 restaurants, a clinic and the dentist. What planet is the CDC on? I will continue to ignore them. They need to be de-funded as they do more harm than good.

[Carter Mitchell]

Illinois has had a mask mandate since last May. Except for stores that required it, I have ignored it from the beginning and will continue to do so. Orders to not gather in private homes? Fv$k off Prickster; friends and family hanging out daily for the last year. We don't feel isolated, LOL.

Also, we live close to the Wisconsin border, so bar-hopping, bowling, other fun things, can be mask-free with just a short drive. Besides Prickster being the #1 UHaul salesman of the year, he has also done more to boost southeastern Wisconsin's economy than almost any other factor. Too bad he screwed all of these Illinois shmucks who went along with the hoax.

[Quo Usque Tandem]

"Too bad he screwed all of these Illinois shmucks who went along with the hoax."

As with CA and NY [and both of those governors are doing quite well in recent polls, pandemic deaths, obfuscation and recalls notwithstanding] they deserve the government they continue to vote for

[DFG]

Wait, we were supposed to wear masks outside? Oh man, I've been doing this wrong.

[DonRS]

The GROSSLY INCOMPETENT Government Medical Establishment BUREAUCRACY simply HAS NO CLUE WHAT IT IS DOING! Hip shop after hip shot, claimed to be based on "science" has been demonstrated, REPEATEDLY to have NO SCIENCE behind them!

The CDC is just one more USELESS, HOLE in the GROUND that SUCKS UP UNTOLD AMOUNTS of our TAX MONEY - WITH NO ACCOUNTABILITY - and now, NO CREDIBILITY!

[drisco304]

For instance the CDC now admits, it is safe to take off one's mask when climbing Mt. Everest. Other mountains should be submitted to the CDC for their blessing. For instance, the committee is still discussing K2.

[B G]

CDC Finally Admits That Vaccinated People Can Do Something That Was Never Dangerous for Unvaccinated People.

Fixed that headline for you.

[BarkingSpider]

Hey gov. assholes…I haven’t worn a mask outside ever! Not going along with the populace control plan. No experimental, non FDA approved vaccine that doesn’t prevent infection or transmission and changes your DNA! Makes ya think why are they so adamant about everyone taking it???

[Number 2]

Whatever happened to impending doom? Or has that been relegated to the memory hole?

[drisco304]

The CDC also updated their guidelines on who should or should not be buried with their masks on.

[renad]

LMFAO at the memory of CDC advising on their website for years AGAINST masks during cold and flu season. Come on, people, if you're following their advice, you're a neurotic and will hang your head in shame when you finally come to your senses.

[IndependentTexan]

Uh, Rochelle, the American people can take it from here ... in fact we’ve been doing so for months. As far as I’m concerned, any further CDC pronouncements of what we can and cannot do are just y’all talking to yourselves. Rhetorical masturbation, I’d call it. Americans have figured out that you’ve been making this up as you go all along.

[Dan]

So I'm confused, one of the reasons I got vaccinated was because I didn't want to be the only one in a crowd likely to die from covid, for being in that crowd, because everyone else is vaccinated. I could still get it from them, we'd all have it, but I could die and they'd be OK. So then, when I got the first shot, the pharmacist told me I can still spread it to others, and that I should still follow Covid procedures if I start having symptoms, reinforcing my first piece of information. The new information makes it sounds like it can't be spread once you're vaccinated, when I think it just protects whoever is vaccinated, not everyone else. What gives? Are they assuming everyone is vaccinated when they make these statements? Nothing adds up I've been going with my gut from the beginning.

[Dan]

Oh also, all of the guidance talked about protecting others with masks, but all of this new information now makes it sound like everyone is wearing the mask to protect themselves. You can't tell if someone is vaccinated, so why would they say your mask isn't needed if YOU'RE vaccinated? it's completely backwards from their first set of messaging.

[Brandybuck]

Joy Reid and Keith Olbermann are NOT intellectuals. Just saying.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

They’re not even human.

[Stolid Citizen]

***The CDC Finally Admits That Vaccinated People Don't Need Masks Outdoors***
Whoa, “finally admits”! Because wearing a fucking mask during a worldwide pandemic that is actually a thing and not FAKE NEWS!!! and continues to kill with dispassionate biological abandon (see India) is such a dad-gum inconvenience and infringement on our God-given liberties as exceptional white American manly men and women libertarians who love our sainted and patriotic strongman Donald J. Trump (who's definitely still president by the way) and our AR-15s but certainly don’t care all *that* much for them blackish and brownish and yellowish people and Mexican rapists and who could forget those dad-gum screwed-up trans and nonbinary freaks and animal rights advocates who disdain delicious burgers.

[Sevo]

Fuck off and die, slaver

[Tionico]

That reporter shold get a medal. He asked THE question for that situation. And Walnesky da gummit stooge fobbed him off. As expected.

No, those silly masks CANNOT stop the virus, indoors OR out. How can a hole 30 microns in diameter stop a virus that is one three hudnredth that diameter?
Further, on a reaonably temperate day, outdoors, the virus can only survive floating in the air for maybe forty five seconds max.
We are still being fed kabuki theatre.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kirkland]

Pandemic management pointers from disaffected, anti-social right-wing malcontents are always a treat.

[buckleup]

Red states are doing better, so you should listen, Artie.

[Sevo]

Assholish lefty bigot whines; always amusing.
Fuck of and die; your dog will piss on your grave.

[Longtobefree]

Rochelle Walensky: "There are many situations where fully vaccinated people do not need to wear masks."

At least two; when they are awake, and when they are asleep.

[imppress]

Until everyone who wants a vaccine gets one, it'd be reasonable to mask up indoors.

Vaccinated people cannot infect anyone, but there's plenty of thoughtless a-holes who aren't vaccinated, never been infected who'll be passing it on to the parent of a newborn at the grocery store just cuz he can.

We're almost there. Everyone I know who wants one has had their first dose. End of may. Masks off for everyone. Indoors and out. Get everyone infected quick. Parents of newborns will be able to bring their young'uns out in public about a month after that.

It's not too much to ask.

[Set Us Up The Chipper]

The risk of vaccinated getting reinfected by unvaccinated is less than 1 in 100000, so that is not a real issue either. Anybody who thinks that is too much risk probably shouldn't drive their car anymore.

[IndependentTexan]

And since when does anyone think Keith Olbermann is an intellectual? Geez!

[Sevo]

"...It’s not too much to ask."

That is not *your* decision to make, slaver.

[Sevo]

"...Rochelle Walensky: "There are many situations where fully vaccinated people do not need to wear masks."..."

Try again; tell us which situations *need* a mask.
I'm not asking some US gov't bureaucrat for permission to remove my mask; I'm asking for a point made where I'm convinced a mask *is* required.

[Tony]

Sevo, I do not have a problem wearing a mask. It is hardly a burden. As long as everyone else is doing it, it's not even weird. Far from infringing on my liberty, it barely affects my mood at all. What are you gonna do? It's a pandemic.

So the point is that if you, by contrast, can't handle this minor burden for the sake of public safety, that's makes you a fragile emotional bitch compared to me, doesn't it? Is there something wrong with my logic?

[EISTAU Gree-Vance]

Yes. You’re the fragile little bitch. Life is fraught with peril. Best to stay home. There are covid nazis on every corner relishing the chance to cough on you. It’s really scary!

Haha.

[Tony]

Life is fraught with peril. Among the historically most destructive perils to human life are viruses. Facewear, not so much.

I'm glad we agree that the only relevant difference between you and me on this particular issue is that you're a giant pussy and I'm a grownup.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

I’m glad we agree that the only relevant difference between you and me on this particular issue is that you’re a giant pussy and I’m a grownup.

A giant pussy wouldn't need to wear an ineffective piece of cloth over their face in fear that they'll get a virus with at least a 98.5% survival rate, and that's assuming the numbers (dying with the virus versus dying from the virus) haven't been cooked harder than one of Trump's steak dinners.

[Tony]

Your conspiracy theories are like a year stale.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

You should just kill yourself. Then you definitely won’t get KungFlu.

[Red Rocks White Privilege]

It's not a conspiracy that masks failed to stop coof deaths. It's right there in the fucking charts.

[rbike]

I have noticed that the worldometer that cites the Covid statistics for Sweden states that 32 people have died in Sweden. This number of deaths (counted for that day) has not changed since February ( I check Sweden Covid results as a check on their results with their open nation plan) . Today it still lists 32 deaths in Sweden. However, there has not been 32 or more deaths since February. Anyone who looks at Sweden's numbers might think that cases are rising, (32> than actual 20 avg since Feb) but they have been steadily declining since February.

Why???

Worldometers-Sweden.

[PeteRR]

A one day spike like that could easily be earlier cases that are just being tallied now. Always best to look at the 7 day average.

[rbike]

Unless the 32 deaths are being add to the list before February, then the math would move the average to 32 eventually. It is not. The moving 7 day average is half that, ~ 17 per day since February. I do agree that spikes show up that are past cases being backfilled in the data.- I see this in the reporting in my own state. I see reports of a spike in my states data but when you look at the actual data from the state, not the worldometer, it is from earlier cases that are being added in.

[Squire Al]

Or just maybe, teh situation changed?

The Constitution is not a suicide pact. Hyperbolic notions of freedom to be stupid and put others at risk are no solution.

Wearing a mask denies your God given rights. Please.

[Mark Thrust, Sexus Ranger]

Wearing a mask doesn’t stop viruses. Are you too stupid to understand that?

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[BDavi52]

In other late-breaking news...

The head of the CDC ALSO declared most landlocked Americans need not wear Life Jackets when going about their daily routines in all but the coastal states. Those who live in Michigan, of course, as per Dim Whitmer, will still need both the Life Jackets and Life Rings (optic orange required).

Rochelle also indicated that she anticipates that within the next month or two, none of us (save those in mountainous areas) will need to carry lightning rods (just in case) or Bear Spray (unless you're planning on overthrowing the U.S. government).

"Shark Repellant, though, takes up very little room," Ms. Walensky noted, adding that "It's really not asking too much for all Americans to put a little plastic bottle of the stuff in their purses or back pockets. It helps keep EVERYONE safe in the event of an attack by a school of those blood-thirsty buggers!"

As far as helmets and kneepads, Dr. Walensky assured us that such commonsense precautions would continue indefinitely. "More people die from falls than from anything else," she said. "For adults 65 and older the lack of kneepads and helmets is worse than a whiff of WuhanV!"

And, as per WHO Guidelines, all newborns will continue to be wrapped in bubble-wrap and masked, as soon as they exit the womb. "It's in their own best interest!", the new head of the CDC proclaimed. "And, needless to say, no child will meet or be held by their germy, filthy parents until their immune system is fully developed and such contact is CDC approved!"

"Thank goodness!", all of us should say, "that the Experts have told us how to live!" Can I get a Right On!

[justabill]

Seriously is there a more seriously OCD hypochondriac germophobe in the entire country than Dr. Fauci? Howie Mandell maybe?

[justabill]

Is there a more seriously OCD hypochondriac germophobe in the entire country than Dr. Fauci? Howie Mandell maybe?