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Massage Parlor Massacre: 8 Killed in Atlanta, Media Speculate About Anti-Asian Motive

Plus: Columbus, Ohio, wants six months in jail for first-time sex customers, Texas' new social media bill is a mess, and more...

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Motive for fatal Atlanta shootings unclear. There's no indication that last night's fatal shooting spree at several Atlanta-area massage parlors was connected to conspiracy theories about sex trafficking at Asian massage businesses. Atlanta police say they showed up at one of the businesses in response to a call about a robbery in progress.

The motive for the shooting, which left eight people dead, is still unclear, despite many in the media attributing it to anti-Asian racism.

Seven women and one man were killed in the shootings; six of them were Asian and two were white, police report. One other man was injured as well.

A suspect in police custody, 21-year-old Robert Aaron Long, is thought to be behind the shootings at the two massage parlors in northeast Atlanta (Gold Massage Spa and Aromatherapy Spa) and one (Young's Asian Massage) about 30 miles northwest of the city.

Red Canary Song, a group devoted to Asian sex worker and migrant rights, notes that workers at Asian massage parlors and spas are frequent targets of violence from both customers and police. People speculating about possible motives for this horrific crime probably shouldn't overlook that fact in the rush to portray the shootings as stemming from anti-Asian racism tied to COVID-19.

But as of this morning, we simply don't know what drove the Atlanta massage parlor shooter to commit these atrocities.

The identities of the victims have also not yet been released.


FREE MINDS

Ohio city seeks six months in jail for people who pay for sex. Authorities in Columbus, Ohio, are trying to put a social justice spin on ratcheting up penalties for prostitution. City Council members say it's concern for people selling sex that is leading them to consider a new policy—but this policy would keep penalties for selling sex intact and continue to direct police resources to targeting sex work between consenting adults, increasing penalties for people who pay for sex.

"The Council's proposed amendment institutes a penalty of up to $1,500 and 180 days in jail for a first offense," notes WOSU. "The second and third offenses include mandatory minimum fines of $550 and $800 respectively, as well as 10 and 15 days in jail."

Ohio State University professor of women, gender, and sexuality studies Jennifer Suchland has been speaking out against the proposed changes. "When you add more criminalization to the sex trade, it both makes it harder to reach potential victims and worsens the conditions for those who rely on the sex trade for survival," Suchland said in a WOSU interview.


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  1. Motive for fatal Atlanta shootings unclear.

    But we can all agree that the Tea Party is no longer Suspect Number 1 in these things?

    1. Nope. Media still claiming it was trump using China flu as a term despite the fact the majority of these attacks by minorities in deep blue biden voting areas.

      1. 99% chance it was a spurned lad who had fallen in love after a happy ending, but the media has a narrative to bake.

        White Knight and chemjeff to tell us that it was MAGA insUrrEction in 3… 2… 1…

        1. Rumor has it that he had Brian Sicknick’s head in his backpack during the killing spree, as some sort of protective talisman.

          1. Well, usually the perp gets killed at the end of these shooting sprees, and he’s still alive, so it sounds like it worked.

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          2. It’s all a big joke to you. Tell us again how you consider Sicknick and Hitler to be equivalents.

            1. Someone got off on the wrong side of the fire extinguisher this morning.

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            2. HO2

            3. You are a big joke to me, just like the rest of your LMAO (“Leftist Morons Arguing Online”) skeleton crew sock puppets.

              1. Did WK coin that?

                1. Shit.

                  Good question. He’s probably on his way over to the USPTO right now. Double masked, to be sure.

                  1. You’re lucky you’re not Canadian or you wouldn’t be allowed to coin it!

                    1. Ugh, not Canadians… They’re not allowed to have opinions.

              2. Blue Anon

            4. “It’s all a big joke to you.”

              No, TDS-addled asshole, YOU are a big joke to anyone not so afflicted.
              Fuck off and die.

            5. “It’s all a big joke to you. Tell us again how you consider Sicknick and Hitler to be equivalents.”

              You know what is fucking disgusting, White Knight?
              How you used officer Sicknick’s unrelated death as an excuse to cheer on authoritarianism.

              You make me sick with disgust, and that isn’t hyperbole.

              1. In my time scouring the back-alley markets of the world, I’ve come across several peddlers claiming they were in possession of Hitler’s skull. The negotiations were always brief and terse, as I rarely spoke the local language, nor did I adhere to the proper customs of the land. But, despite these impediments, I never failed — not once — to come to a mutually acceptable arrangement. Surprisingly, the peddlers did not haggle quite so aggressively as I had expected they would. I found that simply making an offer, any offer — provided it was in American dollars — would bring the negotiations to a swift and amicable conclusion.

                The problem was never the purchase, per se, but the shipping of the skull. Over the years, I have amassed a serious collection of Hitler skulls, despite a string of unceremonious confiscations. Countless shell corporations had to be formed to accomplish the objective. Since I am, to my knowledge, the most prolific collector of these artifacts, I rest upon the assumption that I am either in possession of the genuine article at present or, alternatively, on the cusp of acquiring it.

                But I digress. Indeed, the explanation concerning my rather curious habit was provided solely to furnish a sufficient backdrop for my most recent encounter with a peddler in Nigeria. He claimed to be of royal blood and, more importantly, in possession not of Hitler’s but of Brian Sicknick’s skull. Though his story was incredible, he claimed to have acquired the skull directly from Donald Trump by way of an elaborate internet scheme. The peddler did not get into the details (nor, for that matter, did I press him) but, when I examined the skull (after negotiating an acceptable price, as is my wont) I determined it was the true thing! The skull was in shambles and shards, like a ceramic plate dropped in a spate of carelessness; but this only confirmed its authenticity!

                For this peculiar artifact I arranged for the creation of a shell corporation in Georgia. Negligently, my attorney paid no attention to the man he designated as the corporate representative that would be authorized to accept deliveries on the company’s behalf and, should the need arise, service of process. I was shocked to discover, then, that the representative had been none other than Robert Aaron Long! I had also failed to warn my attorney, in my excitement, that the skull possessed a curious power and, in the wrong hands, would drive its handlers to utter madness!

                I suppose, then, that the murders we have witnessed were, in large part, the result of my careless curiosities. Or, perhaps, it was the peddler that cursed the skull. The entire chain of events is truly bizarre, I must confess. Still, if we are to lay blame, we must lay blame where it is due. To blame my rogue corporate representative is foolhardy, at best. No man is accountable for his conduct when, pursuant to a clear chain of causality, he murders in the name of the President!

                1. This post is going on my notepad.

                2. Sometimes White Knight gets his ass kicked so hard by a post that you can actually see the bruises on the page.
                  This was one of those posts.

                  Great job, Geiger Goldstaedt.

                3. Beautiful, like a short story by Lovecraft.

                  1. Guilty as charged. I do enjoy me some Lovecraft.

                4. Make no bones about it, this is skull duggery at it’s worst.

          3. “Here I have Brian Sicknick’s head, it protects against fire extinguishers.”
            “How does it work?”
            “It doesn’t work! It’s just some guy’s head! But I don’t see any fire extinguishers around, do you?”
            “…I would like to buy that head…”

            1. HA!

              🙂

            2. careful or we’ll be paying head-tax next.

              1. Thanks for the heads up.

                1. Way ahead of you.

      2. What does the voting trend for the area have to do with anything? It’s possible for a nutter who listens to Trump to live in such a place. Of course, that explanation is stupid and absurd and in any case, Trump isn’t responsible for every idiot who interprets what he says in some stupid or evil way. As with almost all incidents like this, the primary factor is almost certainly a severely unhinged person.

        1. How dare you? Trump is responsible, just like catcher in the rye is responsible for John Lennons death

      3. Not to mention Asian and Island Pacificer’s have one of the lowest violent crime victim rates in the US. My local town had a 100% increase in murders also this year, we went from 1 to 2 and it is still in the top 10% safest locals in the US.

        Blowing smoke trying to blame those evil Trump supporters.

    2. Whatever the reason, I think we can all agree that obviously something rubbed this guy the wrong way.

      1. Ha!

      2. I love it guy. Mass murder is hilarious! Racist brainwashed Christian conservatives murdering innocent people is funny!

        1. And first to jump to conclusions let’s WK and jeff off the hook.

        2. Sarcasmic is at his best when he really leans into the sanctimony.

          Listen, twink, you better make sure you mark this transgression in your Notebook of Sin. You can then present it as proof of wickedness to the divine tribunal overseeing The Garden of the Gods.

        3. Mass murder is hilarious!

          It would sure explain the boner you get fantasizing about Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot.

          1. Never have I ever said anything remotely like this. Nardz and Lovecon1984 on the other hand have expressed support for murdering political opponents. As usual you rightwingers are complete liars. Why do you suck so bad? Was your daddy abusive?

            1. Plenty on the left like yourself have. From dreams of re-education camps to drone strikes on trump supporters. A few of you even drove into pro trump campaigners. It is normal for the left and their dreams of violence. See Mao, Pol Pot, etc.

              Fake sanctimony is fake.

            2. Cite?

            3. That’s a lot of cope just because you have no sense of humor.

            4. As usual you rightwingers are complete liars.

              Now that is hilarious! I will double your net worth if you can find anything I have ever said that would lead a reasonable person to believe I am a right winger. It won’t happen but if I chose to wear you as a hair shirt I could probably find what I need in the couch cushions.

              1. When you’re a lefty pretending to be libertarian, everyone else is right wing.

                1. Stroozle’s another White Knight sock, and for the WK Kollective everyone to the west of Pol Pot is alt-right.

            5. Why are you such a pathetic, ignorant piece of lefty shit? Did your mommy not let you screw her?

        4. It’s sure amazingly convenient to the left in this case…

      3. More like the to-remain-nameless murderer’s Father didn’t rub one out the right way and instead the murderer came into the world. The best term for the murderer is misbegotten.

        Stay classy, JerrysKids.

    3. Shooter is a “God and Guns” wingnut.

      Could be LovesTrumpsTinyMushroomDick 1789. He hasn’t been here lately.

      1. Hey look dildo is bringing up Trump’s penis again.

        1. turd thinks his erotic fantasies are widely shared; shows how stupid he is.

      2. “Shooter is a “God and Guns” wingnut”

        Why do our resident fifty-cent gaslighters always think that somehow the readers of an ostensibly libertarian site are going to get the vapors, when guns are mentioned? As if this place is full of New York Times wine moms.

        Also, the fact that this kid was frequenting Asian brothels kind of shits on Buttplug’s religious zealot hypothesis.

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    5. “But we can all agree that the Tea Party is no longer Suspect Number 1 in these things?”

      This guy appears to have been a White, downscale, superstitious, southern gun nut. I expect to learn he is poorly educated, relatively unskilled, disaffected, and bigoted. Core clinger demographics.

      1. They had 15 shot in one incident over the weekend in Chicago. Only two killed out of the fifteen. Typical spray and pray with an extended magazine.
        The shooter appears to be a typical gangbanger. Multiple felon, Saggy pants, face tattoos, Chicago Public Schools education, unskilled to a fault, illiterate, vicious, merciless, addicted, out on parole, and astoundingly inaccurate with a handgun.
        It never made the national news. That is how we know that he “could have been Obama’s son”, just like the 52 mass shooters (4 or more shot in one incident) in Chicago last year. All shooters and victims were black. Not a single white supremacist involved in any of the 800 murders last year.

        4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/30
        4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/39
        4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/20
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        If you want to bring race into it, Rev. We can do this all day. You won’t like the stats, Brutha.

        1. I won’t like your statistics. You don’t like the progress that people like me have been shoving down the throats of right-wing bigots for a half-century.

          Open wider, clinger. And be nicer, or your betters might start positioning that progress sideways before shoving it down your whining, impotent, right-wing throat. There is no rule requiring culture war winners to be kind to culture war casualties.

          1. More homoerotic rape fantasies from the Rev.

            big·ot
            /ˈbiɡət/

            noun
            noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

            a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

        2. Not surprised or shocked at this.
          Last year 735 homicides set a record for Chiraq. The esteemed mayor blames the states of Wisconsin and Indiana for lax gun laws.
          Total number of people shot in 2020 is well over 4000.
          The trend has risen in every major city, especially cities run by liberals.

      2. A disturbing story emerged over the weekend. Two teens in Rochester, New York set a 53-year-old mentally-ill man on fire, ultimately killing him. Interestingly, unlike many past stories written in The New York Times and USA Today, the races of the involved parties were not mentioned. In 2021, that’s rare. It turns out, the two teens are black and the now-deceased mentally-ill man was white.

        https://www.outkick.com/media-ignores-two-black-teens-setting-mentally-ill-white-man-on-fire-killing-him/

        Nothing to see here.

        1. Imagine for one second that races had been reversed. The coverage would be nationwide, non-stop for at least 2 weeks.

          1. If the Asian women had been killed by a black, Biden and Harris would not be down there, it would just be an “mass killing” but this guy is white and talks about God, so yes, prime coverage. It was interesting too, about the two teens who set the guy on fire, they were black, but very hard to get info.

      3. big·ot
        /ˈbiɡət/

        noun
        noun: bigot; plural noun: bigots

        a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

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  2. There’s no indication that last night’s fatal shooting spree at several Atlanta-area massage parlors was connected to conspiracy theories about sex trafficking at Asian massage businesses.

    Newsflash: It’s not a conspiracy.

    1. Because it isn’t a thing.

      1. Ever been to Atlantic City? If not, take a trip. This is a well known joint. You can thank me later.

        https://new-osaka-spa-24hr.business.site/

        1. Pretty…ah, how shall I say…..spicy = Osaka Spa employees

          1. It is a totally legitimate business establishment. So legitimate, in fact, one guy even made it a point to tell the world that he staunchly refused anything more than a massage.

            Rick B
            2 reviews
            3 weeks ago
            So after I left Clover /Sun Spa I decided to try the Atlantic City spa /Osaka they told me what the price of the massage was so that’s what I gave them and I proceeded to tell them that that’s all I wanted was a massage well again that isn’t what they wanted to do so I apologize to them and I went to go to get my clothes back on and she decided that she would go ahead and give me a massage because she knew I was going to ask for my money back and the massage I got was only an okay massage nothing to brag about I’m sorry but that’s true

            1. This guy is hilarious. He tried to pay for pussy, at massage rates … and then wrote a review complaining about it.

              1. So, a typical New Jersey resident…

                1. You forgot the ‘People’s Republic of’ portion. 🙂

                  Yeah, Rick B sounds a lot like our governor Phailing Phil. A fool.

                  1. Fuck Phil Murphy.

                    1. I’d much rather masturbate with sandpaper.

              2. Any guy who goes to a “spa” with anything remotely Asian in the name is not there because he has a knot in his lower back. If you want a therapeutic massage, you go to a massage therapist called something like Massage Therapy Institute in an office building in the suburbs, you do not go to Happy Funtime Thailand Spa on the city outskirts. Oh yeah, and Bob Kraft was innocent.

                1. “It does not matter how slowly you go so long as you do not stop.”

                  – Confucius

                  And here I am thinking the girls at The Pink Lotus were just being all philosophical and shit.

                2. In Okinawa, they have real massages. You meet with the girl’s father, drink tea, then she goes to work. It is better than a rub and a tug.

                  1. Fuck.

                    That seems way too elaborate. Does the father at least leave the room? Or does he scowl at you from the corner of the room?

              3. Excuse me, Miss. Could you tell me where a fine gentlemen such as myself can procure a “rub and a tug”? If the service is good, I will leave a favorable review!

        2. I’m 40 minutes from Atlantic City. I make certain never to be 39 minutes from Atlantic City.

      2. It’s just an idea, really.

    2. But the media and racial activist insist on assigning a racial motive to this. Never waste a crisis, right?

  3. The motive for the shooting, which left eight people dead, is still unclear, despite many in the media attributing it to anti-Asian racism.

    I think the only people still racist against Asians these days is Asians. And college admissions boards.

    1. Tiny hands means I get to have a huge dick for about 30 seconds or so. And the massages aren’t bad either.

      1. 30 seconds…you just outed yourself, prematurely.

        1. 🙂

      2. That is why “Bridget The Midget” charges double. Scale.

    2. Asians are now white based on most CRT material. White adjacent is the term they use. So no longer racist to be against them.

      1. Incorrect.

        It is no longer racist to be racist against Asians if you are black. If you are white, all the old rules still apply.

        1. Unless you are a college admissions board. Then being white and against asians is ok, but you have to also be against other whites.

          1. Hey look who is suddenly trying to fit in after he got a dozen people to take his lame ass bet, which caused him to flee and pretend he didn’t read their acceptance.

            You got called on your bullshit fake soldier.

            1. The little bitch also ignored my simple question.

    3. Who’s going mental on the Oriental?

      1. Orient sex-press?

      2. Wasn’t that one of the Dr. Seuss books that was canceled?

        1. From his time writing anti-Japanese propaganda during WW2. Some ones I hadn’t seen before, in this blog post: https://www.openculture.com/2014/08/dr-seuss-draws-racist-anti-japanese-cartoons-during-ww-ii.html

          1. Damn. I guess the woke church was right. That cartoon depiction of Hitler really is fucking racist.

            Good riddance.

            1. It was great propaganda.

              The Niihau Incident must have really scared a bunch of decision-makers.

              1. Is the cartoon depiction of Tojo really that far off? If that cartoon is racist, then so is this photograph.

                https://i.redditmedia.com/zyHFC-ov5EMI40ZphsZnjeah2vYlh539Z9RzlLKCafU.jpg?w=216&s=478fc66bc6a72e6f5da70eba3eb79ad1

                1. The people crying about this really have no idea who these people were, or what they did:

                  http://5b0988e595225.cdn.sohucs.com/images/20181226/1f0f23a8b711472994f1fc9fb2766e4e.jpeg

                  1. If only there was a way to study those ideas….Hmmmm.

                2. Funny. The eyes behind the glasses are portrayed in all of the caricatures in the same way.
                  Nice find.

            2. I don’t like to let the personality of the artist influence my appreciation for art.
              It’s a good thing Hitler wasn’t a particularly good painter.

              1. I didn’t think he was that bad, honestly. A bit better than Churchill’s works, albeit Churchill was doing it as a hobby, not as an intended profession.

                No idea what the Vienna judges were looking for, TBH. He may really have been that bad. Certainly when you see the A. Hitler on the thing, it’s going to color your view of the work.

                1. Actually Churchill copied other famous paintings and sold them as the real ones.

            3. Just remember, you can’t buy Dr suess books, but mein kamph is still being published

              1. You had better not have it in a barracks room, General Loyd Austin will put you in the brig.

              2. And is still for sale on amazon.

                1. As is Mao’s Little Red Book and The Communist Manifesto.

          2. Not nearly as bad as what FDR did. When is he getting cancelled? Why hasn’t his memorial been defaced?

            1. I always ask why he’s not one of the FIRST people canceled.

              Never get an asnwer.

    4. I was wondering why it was not racism when Biden cancelled the lawsuit against higher ed for discriminating against Asians.

    5. You apparently haven’t heard about Oakland.

  4. Ohio city seeks six months in jail for people who pay for sex.

    The worst vice in this situation is the criminal justice system’s addiction to its own machine.

    1. Criminalizing consenting adult sex, whether paid for on not, is stupid enough, but why is it that the second and third offense is less than the first offense? See what it says here:

      “The Council’s proposed amendment institutes a penalty of up to $1,500 and 180 days in jail for a first offense,” notes WOSU. “The second and third offenses include mandatory minimum fines of $550 and $800 respectively, as well as 10 and 15 days in jail.”

      I think the people who wrote this proposal need their pipes cleaned out just to get out all the waxy build-up in their brains.

      1. The 180 days for 1st offense was the max. The days for 2nd and 3rd offenses were mandatory minimums.

      2. It’s going to be very risky for them to “get their pipes cleaned out” after this passes.

  5. The Violence Against Women Act is up for an authorization vote.

    A vote to authorize acts of violence against women?

    1. They were asking for it dressed like that.

    2. It requires that the amount of violence against women be exactly the same as violence against men.
      But the bill is unconstitutional because it uses the words “men” and “women”.

    3. That explains the massage parlor shootings.

      It’s Biden’s fault. His cultists are so stupid that they take what he says literally.

    4. The irony is that Slick Willie signed the first one of these laws.

      And Grand Paw Joe will sign the next one.

  6. Federal Reserve officials, who are scheduled to release their latest economic projections at 2 p.m. ET, are likely to say they expect the labor market and inflation to rebound faster than they anticipated in December…

    THANK YOU MISTER PRESIDENT

    1. Gas is up a buck in his first month. Way to go SleepyJoe!

      1. Delayed effect of four years of Trump energy policy.

      2. Oil prices crashed with the economy in 2020, moron.

        1. Thanks to your fave guys Newsom and Cuomo, turd.

        2. Wait a minute when did you start to take external factors into account when it comes to economic numbers?

          1. Seriously, what a POS. He has no sense of shame.

          2. When it made someone he wants to fellate look bad.

        3. Oil was dropping like a rock the entire Trump presidency, son.

        4. Google for a 5-year gas price chart.

      3. LP is also way up. Time to fire up the wood burner.

  7. Read a lovely report out of Loudon County where activists teamed up with the school board and local D.A. to go after, hack, and harass parents and teachers who were against or merely neutral against the neo racist teachings of anti racism.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/loudoun-teachers-target-parents-critical-race-theory-hacking

    1. Not surprised neoracists believe the ends justify any means, so no one should be shocked that their philosophy use immoral and criminal means.

    2. Intersectional theory is updated nazism.
      That’s it.

    3. Louden Co VA I gaurentee all of those parents are higher up fed employees,

      1. Of course they are. It’s the wealthiest county in the country.

      2. If you fly out of DC, you will see the massive ghetto sprawl that goes all the way to Baltimore from the air. If you turn Northwest, you will fly over miles and miles of 5 acre lots with McMansions on them. Those are the lobbyists.

    4. This is a higher-tech version of what the Klan and “White Citizen’s Councils” did against Civil Rights activists in the Jim Crow days.

      Klan and WCC would get license tags outside of Civil Rights meetings, then work with friendly local law enforcement to get names and addresses of activists whom they could harass or lynch later. Truly sinister stuff.

      Then and now, it is being used against people who think we are all individuals with equal rights who deserve equal justice before the law.

      1. The people doing it now learned how from their grandparents.

  8. “”When you add more criminalization to the sex trade, it both makes it harder to reach potential victims and worsens the conditions for those who rely on the sex trade for survival,” Suchland said in a WOSU interview.”

    I am always confounded by this. If sex work is so horrible and those that rely on it for a living are so downtrodden, exploited, and abused …. why should it be legal? I don’t care one way or the other, but it seems to me that every time advocates try to make a case for why sex work should be legal, they instead end up making an argument for why it should remain illegal.

    1. If it is still illegal, they get to remain as advocates.

    2. Elementary, Geiger. They are downtrodden, exploited, and abused precisely because their work is illegal and they cannot turn to law enforcement for protection from extortion, robbery, rape, or murder by either prospects, pimps, “protection” rackets, or serial murderers.

      If sex work were legal, their work would be as safe as concierage, maid service, butlering, or any other service profession that is legal and unenslaved.

      Libertarians only want equal rights and justice sex workers the same as for any productive endeavor.

      1. For sex workers. And for programmers who can insert “edit” functions on posts.

      2. To be fair, nobody can turn to law enforcement for protection from extortion, robbery, rape, or murder these days. And, like a sucker, I pay taxes for all the shit I’m not getting.

        1. You mean your taxes didn’t go down when the police got defunded?

    3. Because any time you make a crime out of a vice, you end up with a black market, which gets taken over by violent criminals, since they have no access to the courts for peaceful dispute resolution.

      Remember alcohol Prohibition? It led to gangland warfare. Not many shootouts between Budweiser and Coors these days. The war on drugs had the same effect, and made drugs more dangerous for users.

      1. “Because any time you make a crime out of a vice, you end up with a black market, which gets taken over by violent criminals, since they have no access to the courts for peaceful dispute resolution.”

        By why would legalization and regulation change that? Regulations do not eliminate, nor do they necessarily cause a contraction in black markets. Regulated sex work will, quite likely, create a market for unregulated sex work. I don’t want to speculate too much, but I cannot imagine that this secondary black market would any less harsh than what we see right now.

        1. The only places in Nevada where you see streetwalkers are the cities where prostitution remains against the law. Even there, you see fewer of them, because of the easy availability of rides to the nearest brothels. When the market is saturated with safe “product” at reasonable rates, most customers will avoid the risk of unknown, as hoc “vendors.”

          Guys who go to the Bunny Ranch can spend an enjoyable evening in the bar, find an appropriate partner, then an hour or so later leave with head intact, credit cards still in pocket and a clean medical record. That same assurance isn’t there if visiting the No-Tell Motel or some quiet alley.

          You’re forgetting that “regulation” can have a valid purpose. Requiring regular and frequent clean medical reports protects everyone at all levels, including the vast majority of community members (who will never be involved at any level with the sex trade).

          Aren’t you glad that the pilot of your jetliner had to comply with the regulations regarding getting a license? Would you rather make your next flight aboard a faded-paint, dented Piper Cherokee, piloted by some guy with marginal skill and dubious literacy, just to save $20? If not, then why would you go to a street corner hooker than going to a full-service men’s club? A saturated market pretty much kills a black market.

          1. If not, then why would you go to a street corner hooker than going to a full-service men’s club? A saturated market pretty much kills a black market.

            The same reason millions of people go to an unlicensed car mechanic’s shop operating out of a small garage in their neighborhood rather than a brand name shop with big signs along the boulevard. The same reason they buy cigarettes from out-of-towners that drive them across state lines. The same reason people buy “bootleg” designer clothing, sneakers, and purses in Chinatown. It’s cheaper.

            Factor in the price of regulation and pretty soon your $50 dollar blowjob behind the dumpster turns into a $500 dollar “service” in some fancy shop. If there are cheaper options that are cheaper because corners are cut, there will always be a market for them.

          2. “You’re forgetting that “regulation” can have a valid purpose. Requiring regular and frequent clean medical reports protects everyone at all levels, including the vast majority of community members (who will never be involved at any level with the sex trade). ”

            They’ve done this in New Zealand and it’s turned out well. Of course, regulation not like a legalized brothel, but legalization like a restaurant that gets a fix it citation when they are out of compliance.

            STI’s among sex workers are below the national average. Sex workers depend on their bodies to earn a living and are generally unwilling to jeopardize their income over something as stupid as unprotected sex.

            You know who we should be force testing? Fucking nasty civilians who get plastered and have unprotected sex out of loooooove.

        2. “By why would legalization and regulation change that? Regulations do not eliminate, nor do they necessarily cause a contraction in black markets.”

          That’s correct. Legalization creates a two tier system where most sex workers continue to work illegally in the black market. Numbers are hard to find, but in Nevada is predicted about 10% of sex workers work legally in the brothels and the other 90% work illegally.

          Given the propensity of cops to rape and sexually exploit all women, but especially sex workers, it’s not a great idea to leave it up to cops to decide who can and cannot work under legalization.

          That’s why most sex workers want full decriminalization. The internet has allowed most of them to work as independents. The idea of the police becoming their violent pimp under legalization is not very appealing.

    4. I think your argument only makes sense if you assume that the laws work as intended and produce the desired outcomes (i.e. no more prostitution). Which clearly isn’t the case in the real world. So I don’t think the argument is that sex work is inherently horrible, just that it can be and when it is illegal it is harder to stop the horrible side of it.

    5. The work isn’t horrible, it is the fact that it’s illegal in most places. This means that the crimes against sex workers largely go unreported, which gives a green light to the abusers.

      Thus, the workers are downtrodden, exploited and abused. They are a government-designated class of victims.

      Where it is legal, they are no more in danger than anyone else.

    6. “I am always confounded by this. If sex work is so horrible and those that rely on it for a living are so downtrodden, exploited, and abused …. why should it be legal?”

      Sex work is like any other job where you have the full range from wonderful working conditions to pretty bad conditions. You know, like any other job.

      Regardless of the conditions, however, criminalization leaves sex workers open to exploitation by violent cops and criminals who know they will not report the crime because sex work is illegal. If a sex worker with Kids is raped and robbed by a cop or criminal, she needs to consider if she is willing to have the State take her kid away when she reports that a crime was committed against her as a sex worker.

      The primary argument for decriminalization made by Amnesty International, US AIDS, The Lancet and The ACLU is that it decreases harm to sex workers by giving them legal rights they can appeal to when they are violated. New Zealand has been under Decriminalization since 2002 and violence and STI’s are down drastically. A few years ago a sex worker sued her boss for providing unsafe working conditions and won a settlement. In America, there is a pretty good chance the cop she reported this too would either ignore or rape her.

      My personal argument that people generally find unpersuasive it that it’s his/her own fucking body and it’s no one’s fucking business what she/he does with it provided he/she is an adult and there is consent. We know from experience that when the state decides what consent is against your will things do not turn out well.

      Besides, who is the State to demand that a women only have sex for free? Fucking cheap skates.

  9. Judge in Michigan rules that executive changes to the 2020 election were in fact illegal.

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/17/oh-so-now-the-courts-say-michigans-secretary-of-state-violated-the-law-with-absentee-ballot-change-n2586381

    Of course no remediation as the election is now moot. Slight chance election changes outside of the legislation will be halted in future elections.

    1. Does this suggest that Georgia’s election-law changes by the Secretary of State and Pennsylvania’s election-law changes by the courts might have been contrary to law as well?

      1. Ussc said it was moot. But trump and others have won 10 lawsuits about these changes so far.

        1. But I was assured by DOL that they lost all those cases.

          1. Jesse had a great breakdown a week or so ago, of how the 60 or cases have shaken out so far. Lots of procedural, as opposed to substantive, reasons cited for dumping the cases.

            1. To begin with our list shows that there have been seventy-five (75) lawsuits filed that are relevant to the 2020 Presidential election. (Note 1: we are counting an original filing, plus additional appeals as one single case. Note 2: other lawsuits are possibly undiscovered.)

              The results to date are:

              a) Eight cases have been withdrawn or consolidated. (These are not wins or losses to either side.)

              b) Twenty-five cases have been stopped from proceeding (dismissed) due to legal technicalities (standing, timing, jurisdiction, etc.). These have nothing to do with the merits of the case and should also not be considered wins or losses for either side. That more than a third of the lawsuits were not allowed to proceed to an evidentiary hearing is more of an indictment that many judges appear to be afraid of opening this pandora’s box. Considering the importance of election integrity to our country, it’s a shame for them to hide behind subjective legal technicalities. How is that in the interest of the citizens in our country?

              In any case, this leaves us with forty-two (42) lawsuits relevant to the 2020 Presidential election where a judge has ruled (or hopefully will rule) on the merits. The results so far are:

              c) Nineteen cases are completed (adjudicated). These are where the court heard arguments, considered evidence (where applicable), and then formally ruled on statutory issues (e.g. the legality of a state’s election process), etc. Of these:

              i) Eleven cases were WON by Trump, et al, and

              ii) Eight cases were lost by Trump, et al.

              https://redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2021/02/03/2020-presidential-election-lawsuits-the-facts-n320913

              1. Thanks, missed this earlier.

                1. It’s not only shitposting that we do here.

              2. Any idea if they’ve updated this?

                1. Was from feb. I’ve only seen 2 cases concluded since, both would be considered trump wins.

              3. Blatantly false. The withdrawn cases are losses. Why? Because the Trump legal team withdrew cases where they were given the opportunity to present evidence of fraud, but chose to withdraw instead. Also, I have not seen any other source claim that Trump campaign won any more than 1 lawsuit. Your article conveniently makes no attempt to source its claims either.

                https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/trump-cries-election-fraud-in-court-his-lawyers-dont-11605271267

                Why are you and red state so blatantly spinning the Big Lie?

                1. Shut up bitch.

                2. Lol. God you are pathetic. Withdrawn cases were removed from the total you illiterate fuck.

    2. And then everyone was rounded up and arrested, right? Right?

      1. Just shocking. I’m sure it won’t happen again though.

  10. Authorities in Columbus, Ohio, are trying to put a social justice spin on ratcheting up penalties for prostitution.

    They’re fighting racism. Why are you supporting racism, you racist.

  11. Cuomo aides circulated a letter trashing Lindsey Boylan within days of her tweets in December accusing him of harassment. The idea was for ex staffers, particularly women, to put their names on it.

    Those Dem functionaries, like the ones who did circle the wagons around Biden, could see which way the political wind was blowing.

    1. Biden thought the circle was a supporter parade like during the election season. 5 or so wagons was a good turnout.

      1. 5 or so? Biden counted hundreds!

        1. Biden rallies got hundreds of supporters because when they counted to the end of the row, they started counting back the other way.

      2. It was a brilliant campaign though, staying in a bunker and appearing by pre-recorded message for 30 minutes a day with no questions.

        He ended up with the most votes ever.

  12. The One Year Anniversary of Fifteen Days to Flatten the Curve
    http://ace.mu.nu/archives/393204.php#393204

    This is a fantastic point: The general lockdowns weren’t general lockdowns. As a friend said, we didn’t have a lockdown, we had poor people delivering shit to rich people.

    Instead of protecting the people really at risk, the Ruling Class — the “Zoom class,” the people who can work completely remotely — protected itself, and killed half a million people.

    But let’s listen to them some more!

    Martin Kulldorff @MartinKulldorff

    Rather than #FocusedProtection of high-risk older people, lockdowns protected the Zoom class while throwing low-income workers under the bus. Politicians, journalists and scientists protected themselves instead of the most vulnerable. That is not public health.

    Dr. Tannahill Glen @tannahillglen
    The ENTIRE response to COVID (‘work from home,’ lockdowns of the outdoors, school closures) has been tailor-made for middle/high SES [socio-economic status, I assume — ace] populations, who have online jobs, Peletons & takeout. It’s as if low SES group didn�t even exist.

    WHAT IF the entire response to COVID was instead tailored to vulnerable, disadvantaged lower SES populations? What would it look like? Serious questions.

    1. The Lockdowns Weren’t Worth It
      There’s a reason no government has done a cost-benefit analysis: The policy would surely fail.
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-lockdowns-werent-worth-it-11615485413

      I’ve looked at more than 100 regions and countries. None have seen exponential growth of the pandemic continue until herd immunity was reached, regardless of whether a government lockdown or other stringent measure was imposed. People eventually revert to more-relaxed behavior. When they do, the virus starts spreading again. That’s why we see the “inverted U-shape” of cases and deaths everywhere.

      Sweden was the first to learn this lesson, but many other countries have confirmed it. Initially held up as a disaster by many in the pro-lockdown crowd, Sweden has ended up with a per capita death rate indistinguishable from that of the European Union. In the U.S., Georgia’s hands-off policies were once called an “experiment in human sacrifice” by the Atlantic. But like Sweden, Georgia today has a per capita death rate that is effectively the same as the rest of the country.

      That isn’t to say that restrictions have no effect. Had Sweden adopted more-stringent restrictions, it’s likely the epidemic would have started receding a bit earlier and incidence would have fallen a bit faster. But policy may not matter as much as people assumed it did. Lockdowns can destroy the economy, but it’s starting to look as if they have minimal effect on the spread of Covid-19.

      1. Starting to? It’s been clear for six fucking months or more.

    2. WHAT IF the entire response to COVID was instead tailored to vulnerable, disadvantaged lower SES populations? What would it look like?

      Obviously the solution is to ban the use of the internet for the duration of the pandemic.

    3. Remember, we’re all in this together. Nancy Pelosi quarantining with her ice cream and the delivery guy delivering her ice cream, the worker producing her ice cream, the dairy farmer producing the milk for the ice cream, the convenience store clerk selling the delivery guy the gas for his vehicle to get to Nancy’s house – all in it together.

      1. Those guys are all essential for Nancy to get her ice cream. And a haircut.

    4. This is exactly it. Reasonably well off white liberals cried about their personal safety, while expecting some poor schmuck to risk his own health and safety, so they can have their necessities delivered to them.

      Anyone who bitched about “it’s not safe! I COULD DIE IF YOU GO SHOPPING” and ordered a bunch of shit from Amazon is a bad person.

    5. It would look a lot like Florida.

  13. The Violence Against Women Act is up for an authorization vote.

    Call me a white knight if you want, but I don’t think we should be codifying into law violence against women.

    1. I could never be such a dick as to call you WK.

    2. LOL

    3. HO2

      Sorry, Fist. I saw white knight, and just reacted.

      1. I was just about to give him a “caw caw”.

  14. Tennessee is trying (again) to limit residents’ ability to ship in wine from other states.

    I’m sure Tennessee produces all kinds of fine wines that absolutely don’t cause blindness. California can keep its swill to itself.

    1. It’s well-known that Tennessee’s illicit wine trade interferes with its meth industry.

      1. I dunno. Corn wine and meth seem to peacefully coexist in the holler.

        1. I learned a thing or two from Charlie don’t you know, you better stay away from copper head road

    2. Swill…ha. Carlo Rossi is like champagne to the proles in the Lower 49 but it is no better than Gallo jug wine

  15. Polygamy is next, then pedos. Lets all just get into one single mass marriage.

    How Polyamorists and Polygamists Are Challenging Family Norms
    From opposite sides of the culture, parallel campaigns for legal recognition may soon make multiple-partner marriages as unremarkable as same-sex marriages.
    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/03/22/how-polyamorists-and-polygamists-are-challenging-family-norms

    The Austins would like one day to enjoy the legal benefits that married couples take for granted. Brandy and Julie take heart from the success of the gay-marriage movement. “I’ve got a wedding invitation on the way from a friend who’s transitioning from female to male,” Julie said. “I’ve got classmates that came out almost twenty years ago. They’ve been lucky enough to get married. I wish people would be as accepting with us as we try to be of everyone else.”

    1. What’s the endgame to all this? The destruction of Western society so that they can build the one that they want?

      1. That, or just escalation. You can only be the woke 1% if 99% of the population thinks you’re batshit crazy.

      2. The endgame? I will tell you. When the Chinese finally amass a capable invasion force, our castrati regiments will last about a week before they are routed. The Chinese soldiers’ appetite for sex will be ravenous. Having multiple wives will be advantageous because you can then negotiate them away in exchange for the Chinese sparing your life. Maybe they will even let you keep one for yourself.

        1. How is a Chinese man going to satisfy all those American women? His life will be hell. I entered a lot of homes in the Middle East where the guy had multiple wives. At least one of them showed us where he buried the weapons. There is always an unhappy “bottom bitch” in the crew.
          Can you imagine having four American wives of any race?

          1. How is a Chinese man going to satisfy all those American women?

            By constantly competing to break the world Rubik’s cubes and cup stacking records?

    2. Polygamy is next, then pedos. Lets all just get into one single mass marriage.

      I appreciate the proposition and am totally flattered, but it’s too soon. I need to be sure you’d make a good father first.

    3. I see no reason why people shouldn’t have whatever marital arrangements they want. There’s a pretty sharp distinction between stuff like that and pedophilia. Consenting adults, and all that.

      1. It’s not allowing the adult stuff that’s the problem, it’s making your personal endorsement of the behavior mandatory.

        1. Yes, let’s get rid of that. Including for regular old marriages. An employer, land lord or whatever shouldn’t have to recognize any marriage of any kind if they don’t want to.

      2. A lot of the traditional marriage stuff passed down was meant to protect children in the midst of it.

        In a polygamous marriage where parenting is “village like”, what happens in dissolution of any of those marriages? What is the people’s burden in adjudicating it through the courts? What are the new regulations that come about to standardize and codify rulings in such cases? What is the financial burden in enforcing those regulations?

        One man, one woman, publicly married for life with children produced in that union simplifies all of that. No one really understands the purpose of marriage because we adults are a bunch of narcissistic pricks that think children are nothing more than welfare checks and Prada bags.

    4. Laws against polygamy are an anachronism in a society where there is no penalty for sex and cohabitation outside of marriage.

      Consider that a guy can shack up with any number of consenting women (and father children with each), but he only goes to jail if he says that more than one is his wife.

      If he wants to give the rest of his family the legal and moral protections of marriage, he is prohibited from doing so.

      1. Plus, if we all get to marry who we love, why does the line get drawn at gay but not poly? The left should have never stopped until they got ACTUAL equality.

        But instead they think I’m crazy for suggesting it. I don’t get it.

  16. Bear Spray, not a fire extinguisher.

    Double-Standard Justice: Two Charged With Using Bear Spray on Officer Brian Sicknick at Capitol Hill Riot
    https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/victoria-taft/2021/03/15/double-standard-justice-two-are-charged-with-using-bear-spray-on-officer-brian-sicknick-at-capitol-hill-riot-n1432571

    But nearly ten weeks after the outburst of violence at the Capitol, there’s been no other information released about the popular officer’s cause of death. Now, in its clear attempt to link the death to protesters, the FBI announced the arrests of a West Virginia business owner, George Tannios, and a Pennsylvania man, Julian Elie Khater, for using the bear spray to assault Sicknick.

    Bear spray is a regular feature of nearly every antifa and BLM riot and is used on police and others with near impunity.

    Rioters in Portland used bear spray and other weapons over the weekend.

    1. Murders And Shootings Skyrocketed in Portland After George Floyd’s Death and the Defunding of the Police
      https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/jeff-reynolds/2021/03/15/murders-and-shootings-skyrocketed-in-portland-after-george-floyds-death-and-the-defunding-of-the-police-n1432671

      Since June 2020, there has been a 255% increase in murder in Portland through February 2021;
      Shootings up 173%—by 551;
      Shootings increased 126% in 2020, and Year to Date have increased 93%.

      1. They need to do more police defunding to bring peace and justice to the streets.

        1. Quick! Somebody call a social worker!

      2. And Portland is now asking for it to end.

        For nearly nine months protesters have called for police reform and an end to systemic racism in Portland, which has become a key city in the country’s racial reckoning. While officials say many events have been peaceful, there continues to be small groups smashing windows of businesses, threatening community members and assaulting police.

        “The community is sick and tired of people engaging in criminal destruction and violence and doing it under the guise of some noble cause,” Mayor Ted Wheeler said during a news conference.

        https://globalnews.ca/news/7698870/portland-protests-9-months/

        1. Gee, maybe that small group of hoodlums should have been locked up and prosecuted and sentenced to lengthy jail terms when they first started breaking stuff and burning things down. Then they’d still be in jail and the peaceful protestors would just be standing around with signs now.

          1. So crazy it might just work!

        2. The people of Portland are getting what they deserve after voting for that soi boi Ted Wheeler. They are the ones responsible for allowing all these riots taking place to get out of control by hamstringing the police.
          Now their downtown area looks like Beirut.
          The voters in that city have themselves to blame. Not Trump, not Proud Boys, not anybody but themselves.
          They have reaped what they have sown.

      3. I think it has far more to do with the lockdowns than it does with defund the police. Shootings are up in places that didnt attempt to defund the police.

    2. Bear spray, fireworks, lasers… yet all those cases causing injury to BLM rioters dismissed with prejudice.

      1. That laser crap really angers me. I was “lasered” a few years back. I have permanent damage to both eyes. I call it “cartoon vison with sparkles”. Those lasers in Portland were much stronger than what I was hit with. They should shoot anyone with a laser, they are damaging people for life. I would not feel anything but recoil for those bastards with the lasers.

        1. Tracers work both ways.

          So do sighting lasers.

    3. I’m sure their prosecution will be a cake walk. Especially with all the BLM protests in DC in the past 4 yrs. as precedent. Too bad Johnny Cochran’s dead. It would be awesome to have some grandstanding defense attorney involved. I wouldn’t surmise that Tanninos or Khater are averse to overt political theatrics.

      1. If the molotov cocktail doesn’t fit…..you must acquit!

  17. Isn’t it wonderful to no longer have a government that engages in the racist practice of “border enforcement”?

    BREAKING: CBS News has learned that there are now over 13,000 unaccompanied minors in U.S. custody.

    With Drumpf in office, these kids would be in cages. I’m talking literal concentration camps. But Biden has warmly received them, given them food and shelter and job training, and is preparing to settle them in the US so they can go to work and contribute to our GDP.

    #KeepSendingUnaccompaniedMinors

    1. All without Covid testing. What a wonderful humanitarian.

  18. Texas’ new social media bill is a mess.

    HOT TAKE: All legislation should be first cleared by the lazy-ass courts before they can be enforced.

    1. You mean senior citizen lawmakers don’t know how the inter tubes work?

      1. Or, apparently, the Constitution.

  19. Teachers Compile List Of Parents Who Question Racial Curriculum, Plot War On Them
    “Infiltrate… shut down their websites… expose these people publicly”
    https://www.dailywire.com/news/loudoun-teachers-target-parents-critical-race-theory-hacking

    A group of current and former teachers and others in Loudoun County, Virginia compiled a lengthy list of parents suspected of disagreeing with school system actions, including its teaching of controversial racial concepts — with a stated purpose in part to “infiltrate,” to use “hackers” to silence parents’ communications, and to “expose these people publicly.”

    Members of a 624-member private Facebook group called “Anti-Racist Parents of Loudoun County” named parents and plotted fundraising and other offline work. Some used pseudonyms, but The Daily Wire has identified them as a who’s who of the affluent jurisdiction outside D.C., including schools staff and elected officials.

    The sheriff’s criminal investigations division is reviewing the matter — but the group’s activities might be no surprise to top law enforcement because the county’s prosecutor, narrowly elected with the help of $845,000 in cash from George Soros, appears to be a member of the Facebook group.

    1. “Anyone know any hackers?” she reiterated.

      Members of the “Anti-Racist” group sprang into action, listing dozens of parents, often including where they lived, their employers, or their spouses’ names.

      Durham, who posted under the name Jen Morse, works outside of education, for the American Society of Ophthalmic Administrators. But it was a former teacher, Hilary Hultman-Lee, who executed on the idea most prolifically.

      “Regarding the anti-CRT movement, we’d like to compile a document of all known actors and supporters. Please comment below with legal names of these individuals, area of residence and or school board Rep known, known accounts on social media, and any other info that you feel is relevant,” wrote Hultman-Lee, who at one point taught Latin at Potomac Falls High School and who is listed as doing business with the school district as an education consultant.

      They erred on the side of accusing the innocent. In response to one name Hultman-Lee added, another member asked, “Why is she on this list? I haven’t seen her support anti-CRT?”

      Hultman-Lee responded, “I put a question mark next to her bc I’m curious about some of her comments re the Dr. Seuss nonsense and racial equity generally. Happy to remove if I’m off the mark.”

      1. Everyone is now guilty until proven innocent.

        1. Here’s your gal, speaking out for injustice in the world.

          https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-cPRj9yzE44A/UHdBOCGtCjI/AAAAAAAACKY/B3OdcezaVyU/s1600/Hilary.JPG

          The suburbs are safe again.

    2. This is what wives of wealthy Lobbyists do with their time. They don’t have race issues in Loudoun County so those over-entitled cunts had to make an issue.
      They should make those sluts do charity work in Baltimore and DC and see how quickly they change their tunes. They have lost touch with reality because they can’t see ghetto activity from their ridiculous McMansion.

      1. Man, 62.4% white is Loudon county. Sounds like they’re pretty darned racist.

    3. The current version of the CFAA includes seven types of criminal activity. Conspiracy to commit and attempts to commit these
      crimes are also crimes. 18 U.S.C. § 1030(b).

      Obtaining National Security Information 10 (20) years
      Accessing a Computer and Obtaining Information 1 or 5 (10)
      Trespassing in a Government Computer 1 (10)
      Accessing a Computer to Defraud & Obtain Value 5 (10)
      Intentionally Damaging by Knowing Transmission 1 or 10 (20)
      Recklessly Damaging by Intentional Access 1 or 5 (20)
      Negligently Causing Damage & Loss by Intentional Access 1 (10)
      Trafficking in Passwords 1 (10)
      Extortion Involving Computers 5 (10)

      Previous versions of section 1030 did not specifically provide for the
      prosecution of conspiracies. In 2008, the Identity Theft Enforcement and
      Restitution Act amended section 1030(b) to create a new conspiracy offense.
      Title 18, United States Code, Section 1030(b) provides:
      Whoever conspires to commit or attempts to commit an offense
      under subsection (a) of this section shall be punished as provided
      in subsection (c) of this section.
      Like the drug and money laundering conspiracy statutes (21 U.S.C. § 846
      and 18 U.S.C. § 1956(h)), section 1030(b) makes no reference to an overt act. Thus, the government need not prove an overt act in order to obtain a
      conviction for a section 1030 conspiracy. See United States v. Whitfield, 543
      U.S. 209, 214 (2005); United States v. Shabani, 513 U.S. 10, 14 (1994).
      Nor must the object of the conspiracy be achievable; conspiracy to hack a
      honeypot may still violate the CFAA. United States v. Schaffer, 586 F.3d 414
      (6th Cir. 2009) (basis of a conspiracy charge is the agreement to commit the
      unlawful act, and not the unlawful act itself; further stating that the illegality
      of the agreement does not depend upon the achievement of its ends, because
      objective impossibility is irrelevant for the conspirators to commit the
      substantive offense).

  20. Trump Lobbed This Election Violation Claim…And It Just Got Vindicated in Michigan
    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/03/17/oh-so-now-the-courts-say-michigans-secretary-of-state-violated-the-law-with-absentee-ballot-change-n2586381

    It’s too late now, but vindication came to one of the Trump campaign election violation claims lobbed after Election Day. The Michigan courts ruled that Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson overstepped her authority when she issued unilateral changes for absentee ballots in the state. It all centered on voter signature verification. If she wanted to do that, she was going to have to get the state legislature’s approval. There was a reason why she didn’t pursue this route: Michigan’s state legislature is majority Republican. So, she took this for a spin, and it worked. The Trump campaign’s claim was vindicated, but the damage is done. President Dementia is in the Oval now

    1. Somehow, I don’t see the MSM reporting on this too widely. Cannot imagine why.

    2. I live in Antrim County, where one of the most contested voting inaccuracies took place. Is now being audited by several people including computer experts.
      I also live in the town being mentioned in other articles. I have to say, I’m not very surprised of all this. It’s been coming for some time as down staters, most of them liberal, move up north and change the face of politics where ever they go.

  21. https://nypost.com/2021/03/15/an-example-of-how-biased-media-shapes-opinion/

    If you’re wondering why so many distrust the media, a recent Associated Press story about Gov. Andrew Cuomo is a good place to start. In recounting the number of politicians calling on him to resign, the AP wrote:

    The escalating political crisis has spawned an impeachment inquiry in an overwhelmingly Democratic state, and threatens to cast a cloud over President Joe Biden’s early days in office. Republicans have seized on the scandal to try to distract from Biden’s success tackling the coronavirus pandemic and challenge his party’s well-established advantage with female voters.

    This isn’t an opinion piece, or even one of those disingenuously labeled “analysis” stories. This is a news story. One in which the writers inserted a biased, factually incorrect paragraph.

    1. No mention of the 100,000 people who died in one month of the SleepyJoe regime.

    2. Fuck you because that’s all you do. And Republican media is this on steroids. You mfers suck and that’s objectively true.

      1. What are you angry about?

      2. Take it easy, Pod.

      3. Calm down, sarc.

        Did you know that slamming back a few cold ones first thing in the morning completely eliminates the ill effects of a hangover? Strong drink, my friend — not coffee. You’re welcome.

      4. Woah. Don’t go full WK.

      5. I thought you disliked “Whataboutism”

      6. Lighten up, Francis.

    3. It sounds like a conspiracy theory. Legitimately.

      Those Republicans are just trying to slow Biden down and make it look like Democrats assault women.

    4. “Republicans pounce” is a time-honored factual statement, what are you complaining about?

    1. When you are at the table with some of the top criminal profilers in the world, talking about industrial scale election fraud, you do more listening than talking. And the listening was interesting. The profilers have zero interest in U.S. elections. Two of them did not vote and had unflattering opinions about both presidential candidates. Their comments were most insightful because they saw the current questions about election fraud so differently than the American media.

      To them, 2020 election fraud was an industrial level crime. It was of such magnitude that it moved from the category of an election crime to a sovereign crime.

      Sovereign crime. It does have a ring to it.

      Sovereign crime is not something we see a lot of in America as our governmental institutions are generally not organized to commit, support or hide a crime.

      Most Americans have never seen an organized crime take place, in plain view, supported by or covered up by governmental institutions. But it happens all the time around the world, even in some countries that are quite Westernized.

      Sovereign crime means your government was a participant, active or passive, enabling vote fraud.

      Governors and secretaries of state refusing to cleanse voter rolls, refusing to check signatures for mail-in ballots – even during recounts, changing the voting rules weeks before an election, qualifies as your government messing with your vote.

      The national government refusing to investigate the most egregious examples of voter fraud like hundreds of thousands of more ballots than voters in several states, that is a pretty good indicator that they are passive participants in industrial level vote fraud.

      The refusal of the FBI to fully investigate Jesse Morgan’s truck with the hundreds of thousands of ballots going from New York to Pennsylvania – yet dispatching agents to a NASCAR location to investigate a garage pull-down they hoped was a noose – well, that’s a good indicator, too.

      1. I like this framing, ‘sovereign crime’. The structural/procedural malfeseance has always bugged me more than any fraud. I think the term, as described, adequately encapsulizes both.

        1. It’s a great phrase, I agree. Especially if you’re not going to use oldies but goodies like Treason.

          “Sovereign Crime,” rolls off the tongue easier too than the, “Red, White, and Blue Revolution,” I had been using to describe the governmental changes that culminated in last November, and January of this year.

  22. Best news of the day may be about McConnell showing his fangs.

    “Let me say this very clearly for all 99 of my colleagues: Nobody serving in this chamber can even begin, can even begin, to imagine what a completely scorched-earth Senate would look like . . . . I want our colleagues to imagine a world where every single task, every one of them, requires a physical quorum.”

    —-Mitch McConnell

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/543549-biden-says-he-supports-return-to-talking-filibuster?

    This was apparently in response to Biden voicing support for making it harder to filibuster.

    The Vice President doesn’t count when establishing a quorum. We’ve seen it happen several times in recent decades, when members of various state legislators have fled in order to deprive the legislature of a quorum. Even if McConnell wouldn’t follow through on this threat should the Democrats get rid of the filibuster, it’s nice to hear him at least make the threat. I see no reason why McConnell wouldn’t follow through on an issue like gun control, making all states no longer right to work states, federalize state election laws, or pushing through the Green New Deal.

    The Democrats don’t give a shit about the damage they’d do to the republic with their irresponsible behavior, so it’s important that they understand that even if they stick their political necks out to push through their radical agenda, they won’t necessarily get what they want. There is more to the cost/benefit analysis than just the cost. What if pushing the filibuster aside gets you all the political downside of that but few if any of your policies make it through anyway? It makes it less likely that your purple and red state Democrats will come after our guns or support the Green New Deal at the very least.

    1. “What if pushing the filibuster aside gets you all the political downside ….”

      Why would there be a political downside? If Democrats fail, their base will only demand that they try harder. The failure will be seen as rallying cry, not a white flag.

      1. They don’t just need to worry about their base. They need to worry about swing voters in swing districts and swing states deciding they’re too radical to bother to show up at the polls to support them. The Democrats lost seats in the House in 2020 for being too radical.

        1. Keep the faith, Ken.

        2. Trump lost white male voters in 2020. Why? Well, one theory is that his racialized “Platinum Plan” was off putting. It was seen by many people as pandering to BLM, just the same as Democrats. “Where’s our Platinum Plan?” asked the white male voter. If socialism and government largesse is the name of the game, then the Democrats have Republicans beat. Sufficient numbers of Republican voters are just as socialist as their Democrat counterparts — and they want to make sure they get a piece of the pie as well. Empty platitudes about responsibility and fiscal conservatism are not winning elections.

          If this theory is correct, and if there is a sufficient number of white male working class voters that have no objection to socialism provided they are not singled out for unfair treatment, then Democrats will likely win no matter how “radical” they get.

            1. The only possible way that theory is correct is if democrats are correct about a shitload of hidden racism, and Im not buying it.

          1. Bullshit. The black community generally needs more help than the white community. If we are going to throw shitloads of printed money at any social problems, changing the culture of black communities needs to be something of a higher priority.

            Im not reading the article, but your recap implies that there were enough white men that would prefer joe biden to trump if he’s going to pander to black males. Racism is thrown around way too much, but is possible fucking rationale behind what these white males were thinking? We can piss away our future on women of any color and hispanics, but black men is a step too far?

            1. Im not reading the article, but your recap implies that there were enough white men that would prefer joe biden to trump if he’s going to pander to black males. Racism is thrown around way too much, but is possible fucking rationale behind what these white males were thinking? We can piss away our future on women of any color and hispanics, but black men is a step too far?

              I think you are misreading my comment, and the article (that is, if not reading it at all can qualify as misreading).

              The point is not that white men abandoned Trump because he was pandering to blacks, but because he was not offering them, the white working class men, the same type of benefits. They perceived Trump to be talking out of both sides of his mouth — that is, denouncing socialism on the one hand and giving them the old bootstraps pep talk all the while embracing the same race oriented socialistic policies as the Democrats, but excluding whites.

              Well, if socialism is the path forward, why should white working class males be excluded? Democrats offered broader socialism so, naturally, those white men chose Biden. That is the theory and there is no racism involved at all.

              1. And, to be clear, I am not saying that this type of thinking is prevalent among white working class men. But, the theory goes, it was enough to peel away a few percentage points that Trump would otherwise have had in the bag. Losing 3-5% of white working class men may seem insignificant in terms of raw percentages but, relatively speaking, especially with the razor thin margins we saw, it was more than enough to swing the balance of the election in favor of Biden.

                1. I don’t buy it. Anyone who would have voted for Trump isn’t likely to have gotten their nose out of joint over someone else getting something that they weren’t — this is a perversion of the Left.

                  1. Dead thread, but I disagree. A decent chunk of Trump voters are blue-collar and middle class ex-Democrats, who aren’t Randians or Goldwater.

                    They aren’t philosophically opposed to getting money from .Gov. They damned sure want some if some other group is getting gibs. Like gender studies programs in Pakistan. And they’re not wrong.

        3. The swing voters in swing states will flee the Dems over the tax hikes and woke signaling.

          Most people have no idea what a filibuster or a quorum is, and don’t care.

          1. They are hiking the taxes, just so they can dispense another stimulus later. I suppose it comes down to which of the two things the voters will remember more: losing a little bit every paycheck, or getting a nice fat stimmy right before the midterms roll around. I have no faith in these “swing voters.” Swing voters are morons.

          2. I do and care. It’s a good tactic, using the quorum, if the Dems go to full press with a 51-50 reconciliation vote on everything they want.

    2. We’ll see if those fangs are real, or whether the man is a ‘Toothless Tiger’. I personally think pretty highly of Minority Leader McConnell; in terms of his political instincts, and the courage to stand alone when necessary. He is very effective in getting things done. The best ‘Log-roller’ since LBJ, I think.

      And he doesn’t normally speak unless he absolutely knows he can deliver. So let’s see.

      1. His political survival instincts are superb, and if he thinks that it’s in his best interests to make quorum a new battle every day for the next two years, that should give Democrats pause.

        I guess the TDS victims among us are still reluctant to accept the consequences of Trump losing, but the only thing separating us from some seriously god awful progressive legislation right now is Mitch McConnell and the promises of two Democrats not to support removing the filibuster. I’d love to believe that’s more than a house of cards. If McConnel’s thinks his political survival depends on following through on his threats, that’s good news.

        Hope I’m not succumbing to wishful thinking.

        1. I would say this to Senator McConnell, a phrase from our very distant past: Step Forward, Sir. Now is the time.

        2. This is why politics should not be allowed to be a career.

        3. Sinema and Manchin will do as they are told, if the price is right. And if their asking price is too high, then their homes and families will be mobbed until they settle for something more reasonable.

          1. Who told Sinema to give the curtsy thumbs down that gave Cenk Uigly a seizure?

    3. If he actually had the power to stop it, he wouldn’t have bother making a public threat to do so. I guess his private threats to do this were ignored.

      He had the power to fill en masse, all of the Obama-era judicial vacancies, so he just did it. He didn’t publicly threaten that he was going to do it.

      Like what I wrote about Manchin yesterday, this strikes me as razzle-dazzle to convince lay observers that, “He’s really fighting for you guys!” Perhaps this will lead to the Democrats waiting to pass most of the really obnoxious legislation until subsequent elections? Elections that, with HR 1 in effect, will make the question of filibustering largely irrelevant.

      1. Yup.

      2. Well, no. He’s admitting that he can’t stop it. But he can punish them for doing it.

        He can remind them, too, that the last few time they changed the rules regarding the fillibuster, they were warned that they would regret it, that they did it anyway, then later, when Republicans had the majority, they did regret it.

        Not that they’ll listen.

        I for one would love to see Congress gridlocked. I’ve never complained that Congress was slow passing some law or another…every time I’ve complained about Congress it was *because* they passed some law.

  23. The Violence Against Women Act is up for an authorization vote.

    Welcome to Gender Equality Month. Have some legislation specialized for one at the expense of the other.

  24. Nothing about what kind of weapon he used; must have been a handgun, because if it was anything even remotely close to being a “weapon of war” it would be the first thing we’d be told about it.

    1. True. Albeit ‘nine hits, eight dead’ strongly infers that a rifle, or shotgun throwing buck, was used. Maybe he was really, really thorough?

      1. Perhaps trained to kill at one of those private schools?

      2. Maybe he was really, really thorough?

        Unless the survivor was a message, 8/9 is not thorough.

        1. AFAIK, the wounded guy was someone who got shot across the street. I.e., the killer likely didn’t walk over to him to make sure he was dead. That said, unless you’re Vasilly Blokhin, 8 out of 9 dead is pretty damned thorough with a pistol.

          Assuming the pistol wasn’t an AR pistol or the like.

          1. One of the banners that keep rolling out on this is how he had “a passion for guns;” unfortunately that tells me it probably is NOT a used .38 Special. If it is an AR platform, short barrel with brace….let’s just say I will be relieved that I am not needing/ planning to rush out and add one to my collection, now.

            1. I have a post from a week or two ago here, saying that somewhere, there’s an 16-25 year old white autist being groomed, with an 80 percent AR, a homemade suppressor, and a bunch of drum mags. Maybe homemade explosives too. Usually, if it’s an evil black rifle, that gets made clear immediately. Which makes me think there wasn’t one in this case.

              What a shithead. Judging by what he was wearing at booking, part of me wishes the cops/jailers would just let the worthless fuck kill himself already.

              1. Agreed, on all points. We are coming up on 18 hours [?] and still crickets on that aspect of it; which strongly suggests there is not much to exploit from that angle, so work the “apparent” racial motivations [they not all of his victims were Asian].

          2. An AR pistol would not be better than a 9mm, .357, or a .45 if he was using Hydra-Shok or “Glaser Safety slug” type rounds. At those distances, the larger slower, expanding bullets would produce more damage than a 5.56. Even that little 9mm has double the size bullet in grains, if it expands, it is very deadly.
            I’ve seen a lot of people live through getting shot with 5.56. The record was an Iraqi that was hit 13 times. The dumb bastard lived. You absolutely need to hit center mass with 5.56 or it causes a through and through with little damage.

            1. Do we really want to do this?

              Nobody wants to be bored to tears reading about fleet yaw, and velocity to achieve fragmentation per inch of barrel length. I mean, we can.

              Glasers are trash, BTW. Unless you absolutely, can’t have the bullet go through the bad guy. For all their considerable velocity, they dont penetrate very well, or they fail to fragment, and act like a weak FMJ. Nasty surface wounding though.

              Hydra-shok’s been superceded by HST. Which looks great in gel, and I guess works similarly on people. Not that handguns are all that good.

          3. “A 9 mm firearm was recovered during the traffic stop” of Long’s vehicle, the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office said.

            Nothing much to work with there; same shit they use in Chicago every day. So let’s play up the hate narrative, which is exactly what they are doing.

            1. So, thorough. Poor women. Worthless little shit.

              I wonder if he gave off any clues ahead of time that he’d be capable of something like this?

      3. This just from CNN: The gun: Captain Jay Baker of the Cherokee County sheriff’s office said officials found the gun in the suspect’s vehicle. He said they do not know if it was obtained legally. They also do not know how much ammunition was used or how many times the gun was fired. Baker did say it was the only weapon they found.

        I’m still guessing whatever it is, it doesn’t fit the current proposed AWB

    2. A handgun that he had just bought at a gun shop.

      Unspoken in the media is the fact that he passed the Brady background check. They will instead focus on the lack of a waiting period in Georgia.

      1. Again, this is a very tragic event.

        But I’m glad he acquired the gun through a gun store, and not a private sale. I’m also glad he used a type of weapon that even O’Rourke will find to difficult to immediately ban.

  25. https://twitter.com/DrIbram/status/1372164073073356802?s=19

    Locking arms with Asian Americans facing this lethal wave of anti-Asian terror. Their struggle is my struggle. Our struggle is against racism and White supremacist domestic terror.

    1. .. White supremacist domestic terror.
      More people are shot in Chicago on a given weekend, but this is some sort of special thing already.

      1. Yeah, but they’re not usually killed all at once, by the same guy.

        This did drop the story pretty quickly though of that party in Chicago where 15(!) people got shot.

        1. Yeah, but they’re not usually killed all at once, by the same guy.

          So how many people is it OK for one person to kill in a day?

          1. I’m just saying why this spree killing made the news—independent of the race of the perpetrators and victims—and most of the ones and twos getting killed in the ‘Hood, don’t. Kill 8 people at a hood party, and I’ll be reading about it on CNN too.

            Pick a fight with someone else.

            1. No it doesn’t. It gets dropped fast

            2. Not exactly picking a fight as much as passively replying to the passively delivered narrative.

              16 people in 2 days isn’t worth the news cycle but 8 people in 1 is.

              1. It wasn’t 16 people in two days. Here are the shootings for Chicago for just this weekend. Remember, it has been cold. It will be warm soon and these numbers will double. There were two mass shootings (4 or more shot) in two days. There were 52 last year. Every single incident was black on black.
                Denial isn’t a river in Africa, it is the current condition in the African American community.
                Friday 3/12
                12:05p 12400 S Union, West Pullman, M/19 (selfie)
                3:30p 7300 S Eberhart, Grand Crossing, M/33
                5:20p 9200 S Princeton, Roseland, M/20
                9:00p 3600 W 25th, Little Village, M/21
                11:05p 6000 W Addison, Dunning, M/33
                Saturday 3/13
                1:35a 7900 S Coles, South Chicago, M/30
                4:40a 8100 S Green, Auburn Gresham, M/27
                10:50a 6900 S State, Grand Crossing, M/32
                4:30p 12200 S Bishop, Washington Heights, M/17
                5:00p 9100 S University, Burnside, M/25
                5:15p 7600 S Kingston, South Shore, M/43
                9:45p 4100 W Potomac, Humboldt Park, F/47
                9:45p 4100 W Potomac, Humboldt Park, M/51
                9:50p 7900 S Marquette, South Chicago, M/22
                Sunday 3/14
                12:50a 7800 S State, Grand Crossing, M/41
                1:05a 7900 S Kimbark, Avalon Park, M/54
                1:15 AM 2200 S Kirkland, North Lawndale, M/18
                4:40a 8500 S Cottage Grove, Chatham, M/33
                **15 shot, two fatally, at Park Manor ‘pop-up party’**
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/30
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/39
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/20
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/21
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/24
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/30
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/33
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/35
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/42
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/44
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/?
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/?
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, F/?
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/?
                4:40a 6700 S South Chicago, Grand Crossing, M/?
                7:00a 1700 N Major, Austin, M/50
                9:00a 2600 W Gladys, Garfield Park, F/?
                2:35p 7800 S Halsted, Auburn Gresham, M/45
                2:40p 2600 E 77th, South Shore, M/13
                2:40p 2600 E 77th, South Shore, M/20
                2:40p 2600 E 77th, South Shore, F/26
                2:40p 2600 E 77th, South Shore, M/36
                5:40p 6400 S Ingleside, Woodlawn, M/22
                6:15p 200 S Lotus, Austin, M/24
                No Accountability Monday
                1:35a 2200 S Wentworth, Armour Square, M/27
                2:30a 4000 N Cicero, Portage Park, F/32
                6:00a 900 E 82nd, Chatham, M/29

                1. Glad to hear those places are just as crappy as when I lived there

                  1. I’m just waiting for HeyJackass to get the Second City Cop treatment.

  26. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1372187749332226055?s=19

    BREAKING: 2 previously-confirmed jurors in Chauvin trial dismissed this morning for admitting the city settlement for George Floyd prejudiced them that Chauvin was guilty. Others being questioned

    1. They need to move that trial. This is stupid.

  27. Is it too cynical to point out the timing of this shooting dovetails perfectly with the Dems’ control push?

    1. No, nor all of the “Stop Anti-Asian Violence,” messages I’ve seen as banner ads for the last two weeks or so.

      1. The recent violence against Asians (until this) was being committed by MAGA, middle-aged white supremacist clingers who expertly disguised themselves as young black males.

  28. https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1372167090677944323?s=19

    BREAKING: Georgia Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs was source of fake Trump quotes in call. Fuchs was appointed by Brad Raffensperger

    1. Hmm, let’s look at some of the things that Trump said in the January 2nd, 2021 phone call, for which we have had a recording and transcript all along:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html

      Trump: “And you are going to find that they are — which is totally illegal — it is more illegal for you than it is for them because, you know, what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. And that’s a big risk. But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery, and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal finds. And you can’t let it happen, and you are letting it happen. You know, I mean, I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have because we won the state.”

      Trump: “I don’t know, look, Brad. I got to get . . . I have to find 12,000 votes, and I have them times a lot. And therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now. You know, and I watched you this morning, and you said, well, there was no criminality.

      “But I mean all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff. When you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that.”

      Trump: “But your numbers aren’t right. They’re really wrong, and they’re really wrong, Brad. And I know this phone call is going nowhere other than, other than ultimately, you know — “

      1. Glen Greenwald:

        How Do Big Media Outlets So Often “Independently Confirm” Each Other’s Falsehoods?

        “The Washington Post’s media-spread error about Trump’s Georgia call shows the deceitful playbook first invented to undermine Trump and promote Russiagate.”

        There really is a “Big Lie”, from Russiagate to the stolen election to January sixth’s Reichstag Fire, and resident fifty-center and all-round gaslighter White Knight. is the lies biggest shill.

        1. Mother’s, I’m quoting from a recording of the call. There’s no way I can be gaslighting here.

          Trump really said this shit. He really tried to use intimidation to get the election results changed.

          1. Trump really said this shit.
            Can be confirmed in the transcript

            He really tried to use intimidation to get the election results changed.
            Your interpretation and opinion of what Mr. Trump was trying to accomplish with the conversation. There are other interpretations of the conversation that don’t match yours, including the speaker himself.

          2. Really now, who do you imagine that you’re fooling?

            We all are cognizant that the gaslighting isn’t the transcript, but your interpretation of what it says.

    2. Oh, and here’s Mother’s Lament demonstrating that he didn’t even realize there was more than one phone call from Trump to Georgia election officials:

      https://reason.com/2021/03/16/attack-of-the-zombie-era/#comment-8810100

      1. Meanwhile:
        https://reason.com/2021/03/16/attack-of-the-zombie-era/#comment-8810914

        Outlaw Josey Wales
        March.17.2021 at 9:33 am

        In that case I still stand by my comment. Finding votes after others were found is not an unreasonable request, nor is it illegal. The illegality would be on the part of the Georgia vote counters if it turned out Trump was correct. Since the partisan Raffensberger had no intention of helping find more votes it was clearly a wasted effort. We’ll agree to disagree on the election results being fair and just.

        White Knight – Perhaps, you could understand what you are debating before jumping in.

        Since you jumped in on my comment to oppressor your comment is a bit ironic here. Also, my original comment invoked no timeline, just responded to De Oppressors comment about finding votes. I’m sure he appreciates you coming to his rescue to educate us all.

        White Knight – “Reason’s article about the retraction talked about the January 2nd call.”

        Ra’s article did not. I posted Reason’s article in response to yours thinking we were discussing Ra’s. Apparently we were on a new topic at that point.

        Typical White Knight dishonesty.

        We’re talking about a lie, WK says it’s true and then when we challenge the dishonest fuck, WK say’s “Oh, but I was talking about Y, not X”.
        Now he runs around squealing that he won some sort of rhetorical victory when he just changed the subject.

        It’s wearying , but that’s probably why White Knight does it. What a dishonest clown.

        1. “WK say’s “Oh, but I was talking about Y, not X”.

          I see. It’s my fault you didn’t know the basic timeline of events, and were not aware that there were two distinct phone calls.

          You f’d up. Admit it.

          1. It’s YOUR fault Mothers that I changed the topic and nobody caught on.

            1. They didn’t just “not catch on”. They said things that clearly indicate they didn’t really read Reason’s article about the retraction, were not familiar with the content of Trump’s two phone calls, and didn’t read what I wrote in my comment.

              1. That’s a lot of your thinking that seems to have transpired in our brains.

          2. I was aware.
            As I did above, I’ll just quote Outlaw Josey Wales again:

            “Finding votes after others were found is not an unreasonable request, nor is it illegal. The illegality would be on the part of the Georgia vote counters if it turned out Trump was correct.”

            1. You were clearly not aware. You accused me of using the same article with the discredited quote, when I linked to the transcript of the January 2nd call.

              You are also copping out on addressing Trump’s use of intimidation. Admit that he tried to use intimidation.

              1. No. Because he didn’t, you duplicitous fuck.

        2. It’s the old motte and bailey fallacy. We have explained to him multiple times why it is disingenuous, but, like his lefty buddies, he just doesn’t give a shit about logical consistency.

          1. Precisely what here is motte and bailey?

            I quote exclusively from Trump’s January 2nd, 2021 call with Raffensperger. I provided a link to the transcript I’m quoting from. I never claimed to be quoting from anything but that source.

            1. I’m not sure why you are dragging this mess into this comment section. Didn’t you win your crusade in the other thread already?

              Yes, we didn’t catch on to you link to the new timeline because we were discussing the subject of the WAPO lies that had been outed via a link posted by Ra’s AlGore. You jumped onto my response to De Oppressor and posted a link with a summary. Like many in these threads, I didn’t click your link but read your summary, assuming, wrongly, that you were posting the link we were all discussing in the thread and summarizing a point from that article. I responded to that point, again thinking we were discussing the WAPO argument by posting the previous REASON article that also referenced that WAPO article as being filled with lies. You know, the one we were discussing in the thread. ML had the same reaction. You threw a couple more ‘You’re wrongs’ at me and ML, revealed your link was actually the second call, showed me where the second call was referenced in the REASON article and proceeded to declare your Bazinga that we were a couple of dummies who didn’t get the timeline.

              Now you’re in this thread trying to do the same thing.
              What’s your point?

  29. https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1372000278166274049?s=19

    i don’t think it’s a coincidence that Trump spent the better part of a year using a virus as a slur against Chinese people while hate crimes against Asian Americans spiked by 150 percent

    1. How many of those hate crimes were committed by Trump supporters?

      1. All of them! If not more!

    2. Trump sure is a powerful man.
      We should make him president.

      1. Nah, he just continues to live in a lot of heads, rent free.

    3. Does the 150% spike in hat crimes mean hate incidences, or hate crimes? Does the spike also count if Asian business had their windows smashed by BLM rioters?

      1. Chicago has a hate crime locator on a website. It is hilarious. They only count one side. Clearly, having your business burned and looted by an angry mob is a hate crime, and yet, it is not recorded as such.
        The Austin neighborhood alone had 100 murders, This is not the concern of the progressives, only the 9 claimed hate crimes.
        There is nothing more hateful than murder.

    4. How much did Biden deciding that a suit against Asian discrimination was not worth pursuing caused this?

      I bet more than Trump did.

    5. Why do you believe that calling a virus that came from China the “China virus” is a slur?

      And I’m amazed that Trump had such an influence on young black men in Biden territory . . .

  30. https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1372195916598370312?s=19

    New: Atlanta shooting suspect told police he had “sexual addiction”, “indicators now may not be” racially motivated, says Cherokee Cty Sheriff Frank Reynolds.

    1. Sad faces on Twitter.

      1. No, not sad – complete, psychotic denial

    2. Might as well face it your addicted love.

    3. The comments by some of the people still crying “racism” on the thread are priceless. They actually believe that massage parlors are racially diverse workplaces.

    4. A sexual addiction? Me too. But I never bring a gun, I just beat my girl’s ass with a sack of nuts.

  31. https://twitter.com/larryelder/status/1372173671498870786?s=19

    Columbia U, in addition to its regular graduation ceremony, will hold 6 additional ceremonies for black, LGBTQ, Native, Latinx, low-income, and Asian graduates. The left does not want a color blind society. They want a color coordinated one, provided they do the coordinating.

    1. They want a divided society. So far, they’re getting one.

    2. Segregation is back, baby!

      1. Can you believe Bill Burr is parading his black sex slave around as his “wife”?

        https://thepostmillennial.com/progressive-blogger-suggests-bill-burrs-wife-may-be-a-minority-sex-servant

        1. While I’m not suggesting Bill Burr is a racist, a white man having a non-white wife can sometimes be a sign of racism. So you shouldn’t assume someone isn’t racist just because they own a minority sex servant. They may very well have one because they’re racist.

          Reads pretty straight up “I’m not a racist, but I don’t think white men should be married to black women.” to me.

          1. To me, it reads like an insanely racist screed from a deranged dingbat that cannot comprehend the existence of any relationship between a white and black person that is not some form of slavery. Not all that uncommon of an attitude among “anti-racist” progressives. These people are fucking nuts.

          2. The ultra racist Robert Deniro hardest hit.

        2. On the bright side, that’s another leftist who will no longer be on Twit-ter.

    3. “The left does not want a color blind society. They want a color coordinated one, provided they do the coordinating.:

      Excellent; fucking excellent!

      1. They want a color coordinated one

        That explains their hatred of straight white men.

        1. Flannel goes with everything!

    4. I really hope the Asian students don’t go along with this nonsense. Given that they take actual academic courses and not those from the grievance studies departments, I think there is a good chance they will not.

    5. Columbia U…will hold 6 additional ceremonies for black, LGBTQ, Native, Latinx, low-income, and Asian graduates.

      With 6 additional sets of water fountains.

      1. Latinx only…

    6. The Left now disagrees with Brown v Board of Education.

      1. They disagreed with it in the 50s when it happened also. So really they haven’t changed

  32. Has anyone heard from LovesTrumpsTinyMushroomDick1789?

    He is a Georgia resident and fits the God and Guns profile of the massage parlor shooter.

    slight concern here….

    1. Fuck off and die, turd.

    2. Has anyone heard from the small, provocatively-dressed child that was last seen with you?

      1. Depending on how the kid was dressed, it might be his fault.

        1. With a conversation like this.

          Small child – ‘Gee Mr. Buttplug, why are we going into these dark woods? I’m scared.’

          SP’sBP2 – ‘You’re scared? I’m the one who has to walk back alone.’

          1. Nice screen name

    3. He is a Georgia resident and fits the God and Guns profile of the massage parlor shooter.

      Hint: It would probably be easier to compile the list of men in GA who don’t fit your profile before trotting off to the FBI.

      1. But I am here commenting and not locked up.

        1. You made bail again huh.

  33. “…Cuomo aides circulated a letter trashing Lindsey Boylan within days of her tweets in December accusing him of harassment. The idea was for ex staffers, particularly women, to put their names on it. No one would…”

    Up yours, boss!

  34. Im very confused by that series of shootings in georgia. So the guy shoots up one place and then drives 30 miles away and shoots again?

    The media has been pushing racial animus against asians hard, but mostly seems urban violence. BOOM, white guy, slam dunk. And don’t forget gun control.

    Just seems fishy.

  35. Aren’t Asians honorary whites now?

  36. The Violence Against Women Act is up for an authorization vote. (Read more about the trouble with this Biden-driven legislation here.)

    It’s the 90s all over again.

  37. >>anti-Asian racism

    can’t be racism Asians are the new Blancas.

  38. “A 9 mm firearm was recovered during the traffic stop” of Long’s vehicle, the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office said.

    So, no easily maligned “weapon of war” was used; play of the hate aspect.

    It is not that I am unsympathetic to victims or to the senseless nature of another horny guy going on a shooting spree because in he is an incel, but given the nature of the world and the freaking politicians and media piling on as much agenda as they possibly can…well, there you have it.

  39. It’s Biden’s America.

  40. “Good news on the economic front….low rates are a good thing” I’ve come to the conclusion that ENB has low to no economic intelligence. Inflation is a good thing? What planet are you on?
    Here is the situation..all this deficit spending via the Fed’s printing press is catching up…rates will go up and implode the Federal interest payments as that $3T a year in principal comes up. The Fed can’t raise rates…to soak up the money only the Govt can via Tax increases..but that lowers actual economic growth…we have put ourselves in quite a box haven’t we? And ENB thinks this is good news..wtf..hey call your buddy Jennifer Rubin and whine about abortion

  41. I always thought that these places had bouncers for unruly customers. It’s hard to believe he could go to three different places and no one stopped him.

  42. The other thing is that this story is overshadowing the equally bad story about the guy shooting his girlfriend and her family because he wanted her stimulus check.

  43. If he’s smart, he’s going to lawyer up and keep his mouth shut. But he doesn’t strike me as very bright, so I think he’s going to spill his guts.

  44. I doubt this has anything to do with race. Seems to me to be more of a guy who can’t get laid, so he turned to prostitution for his sexual pleasure. That’s not really a big deal, but in this case something got into his head. I can’t be sure, but it was probably his faith in christianity that put him over the edge. He could not stand the fact that he is a sinner and it drove him to commit murder.

    So with that being the case, maybe we should ban religion. Religion terrifies people to do things they normally wouldn’t do. Like wars for instance. Many were started over religious beliefs. So let’s just ban it. All of it. I’m sure the world would be a much better place. Hell, people where I live want to ban things I enjoy, like vaping and other drugs. So let’s just ban everything. Nicotine, marijuana, religion, guns, alcohol, meth etc…

    Maybe I’ll run for congress next election. My platform will be “Fuck God”. Although I’ll probably have a bunch of nut cases from both the left and the right tryin to kill me over their precious little god. ;D

  45. Oh and then ohio city wants to dole out mandatory 6 months jail time for those caught paying for sex? What the fuck is that all about? Is that total freedom or religious freedom. Probably the latter so, Fuck God again. That’s some stupid shit if I ever heard it. And I guess the actual spas are seen as w worse crime than shooting those who work in the spa. Now that’s really sick.

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