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Americans Reject Republicans and Democrats in Record Numbers

Plus: More Cuomo allegations, the "cult of now," the state budget apocalypse that wasn't, and more...

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Half of Americans reject both Republicans and Democrats. Recent polling from Gallup finds 50 percent of respondents identifying as independents, rather than aligning themselves with either Democrats or the GOP.

Gallup's latest political identification poll, conducted January 20 through February 2, saw just 25 percent of respondents identifying as Democrats and 25 percent identifying as Republicans. Among independents, 41 percent said they lean more Republican and 50 percent said they lean more Democrat. This is quite a change from November 2020 (when the Democrat/Republican/Independent divide was 31 percent, 30 percent, and 38 percent), and from February 2020 (when it was 26 percent, 33 percent, 39 percent). Gallup has been asking this same question myriad times per year since 2004. Party identification numbers tend to fluctuate quite a bit between surveys, but Gallup reports this is the first time the share of independents has reached 50 percent.

In addition, more poll respondents than ever before—62 percent—say that Republicans and Democrats "do such a poor job representing the American people that a third party is needed." Agreement with this statement is up from 57 percent in September 2020, and a previous record high of 61 percent in 2017.

The first time Gallup asked the question, back in October 2003, only 40 percent agreed. "In several election years—2006, 2008 and 2012—Americans were divided as to whether a third party was needed, but since 2012, Americans have consistently favored the idea," notes Gallup.

The results should give both parties and their members pause, but belonging to one of America's two ruling tribes seems to mean never having to engage in self-reflection. Why should they? In cities and states across the U.S., professional Democrats and Republicans have successfully worked the system to keep third parties off ballots and out of office,  while fighting electoral innovations—like ranked choice voting—that allow people to vote their actual preferences rather than simply pick the proverbial lesser of two evils.

And when legal machinations fail, the two parties resort to shaming: Don't third-party voters know they're destroying democracy?

That attitude is on full display in some reactions to the recent Gallup polling results. Take Lee Drutman, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation and political science lecturer at Johns Hopkins University, who shared the poll results yesterday with a warning that "this disaffiliation from the two major parties is very dangerous for democracy." 

People labeling themselves and voting according to their own preferences and beliefs instead of whatever hogwash they've been force-fed is not dangerous to democracy—many functional democracies in the world have third and fourth and fifth parties, who govern in coalitions thanks to proportional representation. But this disaffiliation trend is dangerous to establishment politicians and staid political institutions who think they're too big to fail and thus immune from having to actually act like democratic leaders. To which I say:

And according to Gallup, a whole lot of Americans feel similarly.


FOLLOWUP

A picture is worth… After two former staffers of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo accused him of sexual harassment, another woman has come forward saying that Cuomo made unwanted sexual advances:


FREE MINDS

Liberalism is not inevitable. Canadian political scientist Jacob T. Levy, author of The Multiculturalism of Fear and Rationalism, Pluralism, and Freedom, talked to The Signal's Phoebe Maltz Bovy about "the cult of now":

Phoebe Maltz Bovy: In your Vox article on the idea of moral progress, you wrote, "Before we attribute magical moral powers to the passage of the next 50 years, we should look backward in 50-year increments and ask: How many old moral errors keep coming back? How many new ones get introduced?"

I want to ask specifically about the "new ones" part. Because if I understand you correctly, you're arguing that it's not just that progress can be slow, in a two-steps-forward, one-step-backwards sense. It's also that things are not necessarily getting better, or as you quote Martin Luther King, Jr., "'time itself is neutral.'" Are there ways this moment is less enlightened than, say, ten years ago?

Jacob T. Levy: I think there's been what's referred to as liberal-democratic backsliding, compared with certainly before the 2008 financial crisis. Broadly speaking, the stability of liberal and constitutional democracy looks less clear and less entrenched. That's what comes to mind most obviously.

Bovy: Are you referring to Trump, and to Trump-like leaders worldwide?

Levy: I mean the rise of generally nationalist, populist authoritarianism, with associated challenges to the separation of powers, minority rights, and federalism. This precedes Trump. The standard exemplar from before that was Viktor Orbán, Erdoğan in Turkey, Modi in India, and Netanyahu in important ways in Israel. The time horizon for the decay of Venezuelan democracy is somewhat longer than that, but you're still seeing instances around the world in different kinds of political systems, different regions, the Philippines, Brazil, where what had looked like relatively stable, relatively entrenched, liberal, constitutional democracy, starts to look a lot less so, and in some cases, I'd argue both Hungary and Turkey, falling out of the category altogether.

Read the whole interview here.


FREE MARKETS

The state budget apocalypse that wasn't. "Throughout the debate over stimulus, one question has produced repeated deadlock in Washington: Should the states get no-strings federal aid?" notes The New York Times. Over the course of the pandemic, Democrats have continually argued yes, and still are saying as much, arguing that this is absolutely essential to keep states—and their residents—financially afloat. But evidence suggests otherwise. More from the Times:

State aid could well be a stumbling block for President Biden's $1.9 trillion federal stimulus bill, which contains $350 billion in relief for state and local governments and narrowly passed the House this past weekend. It faces a much tougher fight in the Senate.

As it turns out, new data shows that a year after the pandemic wrought economic devastation around the country, forcing states to revise their revenue forecasts and prepare for the worst, for many the worst didn't come.

[…] By some measures, the states ended up collecting nearly as much revenue in 2020 as they did in 2019. A J.P. Morgan survey called 2020 "virtually flat" with 2019, based on the 47 states that report their tax revenues every month, or all except Alaska, Oregon and Wyoming.


QUICK HITS

• The U.S. Marshals Service, a wing of the Department of Justice, "have been acting like local police—only with more violence and less accountability, according to an investigation by The Marshall Project and the USA TODAY Network." The investigation found that "on average, from 2015 to late 2020, they shot 31 people a year, killing 22 of them."

• Refugees are being turned away from the U.S. due to President Joe Biden's inaction. "Three weeks after announcing that this year's refugee cap would be modified, Biden has yet to sign the determination making it official, leaving refugees abroad in limbo," reports CNN. "Last week, 60 refugees were unbooked from their flights and this week, more than 200 refugees have had their trips postponed, according to a source with knowledge of the matter."

• A good thread out of Sweden on how the Nordic Model of criminalizing customers of sex workers but not the selling of sex—a model that some U.S. groups and celebrities have been trying to misleadingly label as the "equality model," or even simply as decriminalization—still leads to really bad outcomes for sex workers:

• Well, this is despicable:

• Instagram has a new rival.

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  1. Half of Americans reject both Republicans and Democrats.

    However, in voting against one they habitually vote for the other.

    1. The libertarian moment is right around the corner damnit.

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        1. Shikha is gone man, let her go.

          1. Was she deported?

            1. One can only dream.

              1. How could a loving God deny us access to that scene? Her loaded up on some junk departing San Francisco Bay with her box of shit from her cupboard and her KPFA sweatshirt. As she ruefully ponders her removal from Reason, a thought enters her head:

                “Did John ever know that I loved him?”

                1. Stay out of my dreams!

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    2. “Gallup’s latest political identification poll, conducted January 20 through February 2…
      In addition, more poll respondents than ever before—62 percent—say that Republicans and Democrats “do such a poor job representing the American people that a third party is needed.”

      So during the height of the Nevertrump posturing by the GOPe and rumors that Trump would start a new party.

      Golly. Wonder what that means.

      1. It means another Tea Party of girl-bullying mystical bigots cross-dressing as fiscal conservatives.

        1. But enough about Hank’s Saturday nights.

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    3. Party identification numbers tend to fluctuate quite a bit between surveys, but Gallup reports this is the first time the share of independents has reached 50 percent.

      Wrong within normal parameters.

    4. 50% identify as independents, and 62% want a third party alternative, but 99% voted D or R in the last poll that mattered, back in November.

      1. Agreed.

      2. Maybe it can’t just be any third party? Maybe the existing crop of third parties are riding on false perceptions of the general public?

        The majority of the population seems to lean socially conservative and fiscally liberal. Now there’s a fascinating little trick pony.

      3. What has never changed much is the % who register as DeRp or lean DeRp combined. 95-99%. That’s the way they vote. ‘Independent’ is merely evidence that the young are no longer joining political party as they get older. But they are still voting as if they did. Even split party voting no longer is relevant so being independent truly means nothing now.

        There is no room in the US for a third party at the national/topdown/mass level. Voters are very content with only having a Yes/No choice to one party.

        The only chance for third parties is non-voters on national issues and probably local elections where there can be a better opposition/minority than DeRp

    5. I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I’m working gcn online! My work didn’t exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new… after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn’t be happier.

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    6. Surely you didn’t expect them to vote for a ticket with Spike the communist anarchist on it.

    7. Nah, I for one reject them both and will not vote for either.

    8. When I first registered to vote there were 3 choices.
      Republican, Democrat, and no party affiliation.
      I remain npa.

    9. Poor commies at unreason.

      Americans rejected democrats while voting for Trump in record numbers.

      Bureaucrats and election fraudsters just wanted otherwise.

      Civil war 2.0 is on and cracking. Democrats will lose this civil war like they lost the last divil war.

  2. After two former staffers of New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo accused him of sexual harassment, another woman has come forward saying that Cuomo made unwanted sexual advances…

    He knew it was them. They broke his heart.

  3. Ruthless monster, asking permission to kiss.
    IMPEACH!

    1. Yes guess even affirmative consent isn’t enough to cover your ass.

      1. Regretful sex is rape!

  4. A third woman has accused Governor Cuomo of unwanted touching and sexual attention, saying he placed his hands on her face and asked if he could kiss her at her friend’s wedding.

    SO NOW INNOCENTLY ASKING CONSENT FIRST FROM A WOMAN WHOSE SKULL YOU ALREADY HAVE IN A VICE IS ASSAULT?

    1. The hands on the head more than the question is the assault. The question is exactly what we are supposed to ask according to the proponents of affirmative consent (Cuomo being one of them). The bigger question, did he ask permission to grab her head?

      1. It might not be harassment, but asking random young women who you don’t know to kiss you is still very creepy.

        1. Yes creepy. But maybe he goes to weddings to pick up girls. Some men do. It’s creepy but Hollywood even makes movies about it.

        2. Didn’t she work in his office? Would be harassment at that point as he had a power over her through employment.

          1. Don’t know. I’ve already reached my limit on how much attention I’m going to pay to this distraction. Unless I think of something funny to say about it.

              1. Haha, he called White Knight a bad person!

      2. Ask from at least six feet away, wearing two or more “cloth face coverings”, and request a written affirmation of vaccination while showing your own proof of vaccination.
        Nothing else is even polite, let alone “legal”.

      3. The photo is creepy AF. His face and her expression.

        1. Yes it is.

          1. My point isn’t that the whole situation may not be harassment buy that asking for a kiss isn’t harassment by itself.

            1. The whole situation may be harassment I meant, in it’s totality.

              1. The point of all activist government is harassment.

            2. The irony is that Cuomo isn’t doing things much differently here than most Italians have for centuries.

              Anglo-Saxon puritanism strikes again!

              1. Yeah, pretty much. Touching someone without permission is technically an assault, but it’s also a normal means of human interaction. If you don’t want to be touched say “don’t touch me”. If he continues after that, then it’s a problem.

                1. During college, I worked at a movie theater with a bunch of other hormone-addled high-schoolers and late-teens college kids.

                  If what Cuomo did was assault and sexual harassment, at least 75% of us, male and female, should have ended up in jail.

                  1. I’ve been reliably informed that unwanted touching from women is fine because of the power differential or something.

                    1. Fortunately, there were only a very few females at that place who I wouldn’t have wanted touching me. Most of them were smoking hot, fit, preppy white girls from all over the southeast Denver metro area. Because they also tended to be raised in better home environments, they were better-educated on the whole, and you could actually carry on an intelligent conversation with them when you weren’t feeling each other up.

                      Seriously, that place was probably only slightly less bacchanalian than your average band camp or Roman orgy. Even a few of the assistant managers got in on the act and were fucking staff members.

              2. All it would take is one Paisan on the jury for that defense to succeed.

  5. Refugees are being turned away from the U.S. due to President Joe Biden’s inaction.
    100,000 died in one month from SleepyJoe’s inaction, but you don’t hear much about that.
    IMPEACH!

  6. A friend took a series of pictures of the incident as it occurred.

    I bet that camera was manufactured in Russia.

    1. Some friend, didn’t think to stop the impending rape.

      1. The friend is probably a University of Virginia alumnus.

  7. The Levy interview was just a word salad.

    1. Because of Trump?

      1. Everything is because Trump!

    2. ENB is so intellectually challenged she doesn’t realize Levy is essentially saying the same thing as Lee Drutman:
      “Muh DEMOCRACIES”!

    3. It’s actually really funny because it’s pretty clear to me that he doesn’t know what the words/term ‘liberal democracy’ means. At least, it’s antithetically unusual to regard people choosing their own leaders as existential threats to liberal democracy relative to rising genocidal socialist dictatorships.

      Reading that excerpt, I’d rather hear Bovy’s thoughts on the matter than Levy’s. Levy’s thoughts are like getting long range moral insights and commentary on social backslide from the proprieters of The Inquisition.

      Because mean tweets, society isn’t getting presidential enough fast enough.

  8. Psychological warfare, covid style.

    Experts call Peel guidelines to place children in solitary quarantine ‘cruel punishment’
    Drastic measure not supported by science and could have long-lasting psychological effects
    https://torontosun.com/news/provincial/experts-call-peel-guidelines-to-place-children-in-solitary-quarantine-cruel-punishment

    Peel Health has issued guidelines to parents instructing them to keep any children who have been sent home because a classmate has tested positive for COVID-19 isolated in a separate room from all other family members for 14 days.

    The severe guidelines, which apply even to small children who are dismissed from child care, are being criticized by experts as harmful and not supported by science.

    1. My wife tested positive, we did little to actually isolate her and we even slept in the same bed. Nobody else came down with it. I thought it was highly transmissible but our experience seems to question that assertion.

      1. I dunno, I think I may have caught it from sleeping with her…

        1. That wasn’t Covid.

          1. My wife is a saint, she conceived immaculately every time. Don’t know why none of my kids look like me?

            1. Any of them look like a swan?

              1. Damn Greek gods

      2. Huge metastudy a few months ago showed only 1/3 of covid patients passed it on to their spouses.

    2. Apparently epidemiologists know as little about psychology as about economics (and the Constitution).

    3. That’s fucking disgusting. It is absolutely tragic what all this is doing to kids, and some assholes want to make it even worse and pretend it’s the black death.

  9. The U.S. Marshals Service, a wing of the Department of Justice, “have been acting like local police—only with more violence and less accountability…”

    Anyone who watched those two Tommy Lee Jones movies can attest.

    1. Marshals track down fugitives, is it any wonder they may use their guns often?

      1. And 32 shootings with 22 fatalities says they are better shots than the average police officer and far better than the FBI.

        1. And yet, they still need more training. 100% accuracy is the safe way to avoid collateral damage.

          1. True.

          2. And pesky lawsuits.

          3. And you still run the risk of pass through shots even with modern self defense rounds designed to limit pass through.

          4. Have you seen the price of ammo lately? Are you willing to spend the Delta/DEVGRU price? Spending millions in ammo may not even produce the best results. 22 out of 32 is very good considering that the majority of the people that they are hunting are usually armed felons that do not wish to return to prison.
            I say, “leave the lads to their good work” if they aren’t getting shot. Let’s face it, they are not hunting “angels” like Saint George Floyd. These are dangerous people.

        2. Justified was a documentary

    2. You know, Delta Force shot way more people in Iraq and Afghanistan than say, Pete Buttigeig’s unit.

  10. What do the polls of the ballot stuffers indicate?

  11. Refugees are being turned away from the U.S. due to President Joe Biden’s inaction.

    It’s his bed time.

    1. No, no, it’s still gotta be Trump.

  12. “Refugees are being turned away from the U.S. due to President Joe Biden’s inaction.”

    It’s almost as if they don’t really want this problem solved and are just playing suckers into voting for them.

    Or,

    Don’t these refugees know that they’re supposed to borrow someone’s child and sneak across the border to get what they want?

    1. Do you want more kids in cages shipping containers?

      1. Tiny homes for tiny people

        1. That’s racist!

          1. It’s not racist, but it could be sizeist.

  13. “Among independents, 41 percent said they lean more Republican and 50 percent said they lean more Democrat.”

    Some people might be inclined to interpret this as meaning that the Democrats are winning, but if they’re fleeing the extremes for the middle, that’s not the case. If more Democrat leaning voters are refusing to call themselves Democrats because they don’t like what that means, that’s probably bad news for the Democratic party, especially considering that the Democrats’ newly elected president was supposed to be in his honeymoon phase.

    It’s not like the Democrats haven’t been getting favorable coverage. Think of it this way: this survey was conducted between January 20 and February 2, two to three weeks after the Capitol riot, and more Democrat leaning Independents would still rather flee the Democratic party than embrace it (compared to Republican leaning Independents), then what does that mean for the appeal of Joe Biden and the Democrats?

    If they can’t make themselves wildly appealing in contrast to the media’s depiction of the Capitol riot, what chance do they have of being appealing when things go badly for them or the Republicans appear to be on the right side of a big news event?

    1. Cleanest election ever.

      1. I am not surprised by accusations of stealing an election where everyone wears a mask.

    2. Some people might be inclined to interpret this as meaning that the Democrats are winning, but if they’re fleeing the extremes for the middle, that’s not the case. If more Democrat leaning voters are refusing to call themselves Democrats because they don’t like what that means, that’s probably bad news for the Democratic party, especially considering that the Democrats’ newly elected president was supposed to be in his honeymoon phase.

      It’s been like that for a while. People who call themselves “independent” but vote for Democrats or Republicans in every election aren’t really independents. They’re Democrats or Republicans who don’t want to be flooded with party mailers.

      1. “People who call themselves “independent” but vote for Democrats or Republicans in every election aren’t really independents.”

        They could also be populists, who abhor the elite in both parties. Trump won both the nomination and the general election with the help of registered Democrats in swing states.

        Everyone who assumes that because people like Donald Trump, they also like the Republican party, they need to account for the fact that much of the Republican party establishment hated Donald Trump.

      2. They’re Democrats or Republicans who don’t want to be flooded with party mailers.

        Or who’ve heard of James Damore, Brandon Eich, or similar who were dismissed from their jobs for not subscribing to the right political ideology.

        IMO, that’s behind any major shift to “independence”.

        1. Eh, it’s been going on for a while. I have several left-liberal acquaintances over the decades who call themselves “independent” but vote party-line Democrat in every election and constantly spout DNC talking points. It’s just a pretense to make themselves seem more cynical than they really are, nothing more.

          1. It’s to claim some non partisanship confers special legitimacy to their opinions.

  14. Important case at the USSC today as the DNC sued arizona over laws preventing put of precinct voting and limits on ballot harvesting as racist. The optics of the case are strange as state and ninth circuit originally found the 2 laws as valid. In an en banc hearing last year the ninth reversed along party lines. Bidens doj has asked the USSC not to take up the case not because they disagree with the law but are worried of the limits that will be placed on lower district courts to change election rules.

    https://redstate.com/shipwreckedcrew/2021/03/02/is-brnovich-v-dnc-set-for-argument-on-today-the-reason-the-supreme-court-refused-to-take-up-election-cases-2-n335658

    Some wonder if this is why the courts declined the electors clause suits from last year.

    Liimits on ballot harvesting have been suggested by every election study including the one pushed by Jimmy Carter. Out of precinct voting is to stop voters for voting for wrong districts. How both are racist is something only democrats can imagine.

    1. Everything is racist.

      1. And terrible. And unfair.

    2. You’re racist if you expect colored people people of color to be smart enough to figure out the rules for voting. Everybody knows minorities are so stupid they don’t even know how to operate a computer to get online.

      1. Also shitty wifi in the slave quarters.

      2. Hey, SleepyJoe says poor kids are just as smart as white kids.

      3. They’re also too poor and dumb to get an ID.

        1. Or use the internet per Joe.

    3. Racism is anything anyone on the left doesn’t like that isn’t more easily categorizable as misogyny or transphobia (although most of those are racist too).

      1. Lefties can annoy as many white people as they want to with their virtue signaling, and it matters not one bit.

        It’s when the sainted POC start to get a little offended by the pandering and white knighting that things could get interesting.

      2. If you live “hood adjacent” for long enough to collect data through experiences, you realize that many people labeled as racist are really just realists with actual experience.
        One trip through Progressive stronghold south Chicago on a summer night will make you a realist. You will see significant racism that will not reflect what the media is reporting, I guarantee it.

  15. It’s a good example of how the failure of client criminalisation to actually “end demand” leads police to simply increase their harassment of sex workers (who are breaking no law themselves).

    Look, we have to criminalize it somehow, so pick your poison.

    1. How much fencing and razor wire is on order now?

      1. They will erect a barricade made exclusively of Confederate general statues.

        1. *slow clap*

        2. Like a Glyph of Warding to progs

  16. Constitutional Democracy is threatened by democratically electing people who are beholden to their citizems interests, and not the IMF, WHO, EU, and UN Climate Panel. What dark times, indeed…

    1. Globalists think “democracy” = anything they like. “Anti-democratic authoritarianism” is anything the rabble choose for themselves.

  17. The Minnesota State Senate introduced a bill—has not been passed yet— that would bar any charitable organization from paying the bail of any felony bail or bail set at 2,000$ or higher.

    Sounds extremely constitutional.

    1. Kamala hardest hit.

  18. Instagram has a new rival.

    Please let it be some flavor of Gab.

    1. It’s my grandmother’s scrapbook.

  19. Trump is now saying he asked for 10k national guard units on standby for jan 6th and was denied the request from Pelosi office.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/trump-says-he-told-the-pentagon-10-000-national-guard-troops-would-be-needed-jan-6-but-was-ignored

    1. They only needed more than 5,000.

    2. What the hell does Pelosi have to do with the Guard? (then)

      1. The group who runs the D.C. police is out of Congress, not the Executive. Pelosi is one of those who has sway over the actions of the D.C. Police.

        1. Look at you bending over trying to make sense of utter bs.

          1. Right? Silly facts.

      2. The legislature (Pelosi) controls the capital police, which has jurisdiction.

        1. I disagree; the Guard trumps police.
          See Little Rock.
          (and the Army trumps the guard; what posse comitatus?)

          1. “I disagree”

            lol no one fucking cares what you disagree with clownshoes

      3. Trump is insulting your intelligence. That’s what’s happening here.

        1. R Mac laid out the reason immediately above you, but you still insist on being retarded.

          1. This is a shreek sock, just FYI. Treat it accordingly.

        2. Umm. No. It corresponds with testimony previous.

  20. “I am certain that the world and the United States will have to kneel before this great nation’s will and lift unjust sanctions,” Iranian President Hassan Rouhani said Monday, per state media.

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/policy/defense-national-security/biden-team-disappointed-iran-demands-sanctions-relief

    Why biden shouldn’t bow to foreign authoritarians.

    1. Bowing isn’t good enough. Take the knee, SleepyJoe!

      1. How will he ever get back up at his age and mental capacity?

        1. Who said anything about him getting back up off his knees?

  21. So the marshals main job is detaining fugitives, people who are desperate in other words. Desperate fugitives tend to be more violent is it any surprise they use their firearms at a higher rate. Also, based on the statistics given, they appear to be better shots than most police and federal agents.

    1. See James King (Brownback v King). The marshal who beat an innocent man up while looking for a fugitive who stole empty soda cans and some liquor from a former employee. Not saying this is representative, but not all the fugitives they are looking for are dangerous.

      1. Didn’t say they were, just commenting on the basic assumptions of the story. I would expect, because of the nature of their work, marshals to discharge their guns more often then beat cops. It seems only logical. Without more data it is difficult to ascertain if this is something abhorrent or to be expected. And I am sure there are incidents of abuse and unwarranted violence. But simple numbers don’t support that assumption.

        1. And reading the story, it’s definitely biased from an advocacy group. They have some good points but do little to counter the marshals defense except be dismissive of it. 90,000 arrests a year, 31 shootings. Their one counter was how many marshals have been shot. Not shot at but hit. This isn’t a logical comparison since it infers that lethal force should only be used after being hit by the assailant. It doesn’t state how many times a year they shot unarmed suspects or how many times gunfire was exchanged but the fugitive missed, or how many times the fugitive was threatening harm against others when shot etc…

          1. Without more data it doesn’t seem to be anything else except sensationalism and advocacy.

            1. Welcome to Reason 2021!

              1. True dat!

        2. Didn’t mean to imply you did. And thanks for the rest of your comments.

      2. The fugitive in King they were looking for, Aaron Davison, was wanted for allegedly committing a felony home invasion. See, the Sixth Circuit’s opinion in King v. U.S., 917 F. 3d 409. https://www.law.cornell.edu/rio/citation/917_F.3d_409

        Aside, the Supreme Court opinion on King’s claims, is darkly hilarious. Normally, the Supreme Court can’t wait to cite facts showing what a shithead the criminal defendant was, in an opinion where they screw him. In King’s, OTOH? Nada. Just mention the trial court dumped the case via a 12b6 motion and moved on.

        Complete garbage that those assholes got to walk away unscathed from that disaster.

        1. Not unscathed. I believe they just cleared up the jurisdictional claims and remanded it to the lower court.

          1. I read the Supreme Court decision to mean that King’s Bivens claims and his FTCA claims against the officers were barred by res judicata. Was that not the case?

            I mean, I don’t know whether the officers were disciplined or fired for their abhorrent behavior—not many firebreathing ‘real Gs’ plead with bystanders to call the cops because he’s being mugged—but it did look like King would be unable to go after the officers directly.

  22. Anti-Voter ID Activists Storm Georgia Capitol. Has Anyone Called the National Guard?
    https://pjmedia.com/columns/megan-fox/2021/03/01/anti-voter-id-activists-storm-georgia-capitol-has-anyone-called-the-national-guard-n1429115

    But the thing that stood out the most to me is the lack of hyperventilating press coverage of the protest that had elements similar to the “insurrection on the Capitol” on January 6. In the video of the Georgia “insurrection” (because that’s what we’re calling trespassers at the Capitol now, right?) protesters can be seen ignoring police orders and protesting on Georgia state capitol grounds—which might not be legal anymore. Has the president* issued any executive orders banning protests on government property yet? I’d check, but there are so many it would take me till next week to get through them all.

    Is the National Guard on the way? Will they build a razor-wire fence around the Georgia Capitol? Will the FBI visit every person in this crowd?

    1. How many feet on the speaker’s desk?? That’s how you can tell if it was bad.

      1. It will forever be known aa 3/1

    2. How many unarmed women shot in the face? Because I’ve been assured by the certified Libertarians at Reason that being summarily shot in the face is the just, equitable and proper punishment for trespassing on public property (borders excepted, of course).

  23. https://twitter.com/SaveWomensSport/status/1366437575871913984

    This is June Eastwood, a male athlete that identifies as female, winning the #NCAA Big Sky Women’s Championships. One title is too many! One young woman losing out is too many! #SaveWomensSports

    1. Women will just have to train harder if the want to compete against women with testicles.

    2. Women said they wanted equality, they got equality. Where’s the problem?

      1. Eventually any discrepancies in pay will also go away, so there’s that.

        1. As will the WNBA, which will be nice as I’ll no longer get offers of free tickets from my hockey rep.

        2. Already the case if, like men do, you compare like jobs and experience, rather than a operating room nurse (female) to a neurosurgeon (male).

    3. Hahaha, holy shit. He smoked those bitches.

      1. If you haven’t watched video of the Australian Women’s Team Handball tournament, you really should. Some six-five or so giant fucker, absolutely wrecks shop over a bunch of five-fiveish Indonesians. Hilarious. It looked like a reenactment of those, “How many fifth graders would it take to beat you up?” questions.

        1. I seriously want to see a bunch of Juwanna Manns joining women’s basketball teams like that troon at Mission Community College. The sport might finally be interesting to watch with some legitimately explosive, testosterone-fueled athletes roasting women who are on the same athletic level as men that are about two grades lower and wouldn’t have a shot at the big leagues otherwise.

          1. What would be even better is if this wrecks Title IX altogether, especially just a few short years after the simp sports media was issuing these gauzy articles about what a landmark piece of legislation it was for WIMMINZ RITES.

        2. I just looked up the person you’re referenced–there was one with him, at 220 pounds of sheer muscle mass, taking on a bunch of shrimps from the Indian team.

          There was even a team photo where he looks like a coach standing with a bunch of middle schoolers. Fucking hilarious.

    4. Until men can have all-male spaces besides prisons and battlefields, I really can’t find myself getting worked up over MTF transgenders participating in cis-women’s sports. Especially so at a time when sports is feeling more and more like the moldy-bread-and-lame-circuses of a dying empire. Meh.

      1. For real, after having to listen to women talk shit about how they are just as good as men at everything, watching them get demolished by a mentally ill twink is schadenfraudilicious.

        1. And by everything, Im talking sports wise. Pretty sure IQ-wise women are on average superior. They definitely make better worker bees.

          1. “Pretty sure IQ-wise women are on average superior. ”

            Over you, which is why you think factually incorrect shit like that.

          2. Then why do they continually fall for “Just the tip” and “I’ll call you tomorrow.”?

            1. The same way we fall for (you pick): “I’m on the Pill,” “I’m over 18,” “It’s your baby.”

    5. It isn’t fair that the government forces workers to subsidize student athletes via free tuition, board and meals where some of the stolen money earmarked for females will go to males identifying as females. Not fair.

      1. Some high school troon getting a Division I women’s scholarship would be amazing.

    6. At this point I’m wondering what grounds prevent someone from taking a 10 yr. old boy, roiding him up to beyond even exceptional male dimensions and capabilities and then unleashing him on a women’s competition.

      If you can take hormones and switch genders in order to win trophies and set records, what difference does the specific cocktail or original gender make?

      At one point, I was firmly in favor of a broad policy of ‘chemically unregulated’ vs. ‘clean’ or ‘regulated’ sports divisions but the gender mixing has me questioning even that idea.

      1. Grounds of child abuse? Reminds me of the Gary Shandling Show where they had the sports kid who was on “vitamin S”.

  24. People spending their money at the same rate of 2019 probably means their will be no pent up demand to spend in the industries that got utterly hosed in 2020.

  25. Stop quoting the New York Times except to laugh at them. Quoting them as authority, when they are so obviously wrong so many times, is the definition of cherry picking.

    1. Do you know who ENB is?

      1. A pathetic whore manque who believes in forcing nuns to pay for her abortions and doxxed somebody on Twitter for jokingly telling her to go make him a sandwich?

        1. And still yearning for her dream job at the Times, where she might get to fulfill her fantasy three-way with Paul Krugman and Charles Blow.

          1. Just puked a little in my mouth.

          2. Ha ha ha ha haha ha ha ha….

            That was good. That was very +1

        2. More of a rhetorical question but I’ll take it.

          Anything else?

      2. Matt Yglesias’ sister?

      3. Is this Godwin bait?

  26. https://twitter.com/DrewHolden360/status/1366548763838455812

    You want bad
    @NYGovCuomo
    takes? Then you’ve come to the right place.

    It’s good to see folks recognize his failure. But apologies are in order from those who built him into a pandemic hero while he played a villain

  27. It’s impossible to overstate how amazing this Biden economy is from a Koch / Reason libertarian perspective.

    In 2021 Democrats have raised the minimum wage by: $0.00 / hour

    In 2021 Reason.com benefactor Charles Koch’s net worth has increased by: $3.33 billion

    Mr. Koch earned $894,000,000 yesterday. That’s not a typo — he literally made almost a billion in a single day. All those Reason staffers who endorsed Biden must be feeling pretty good about themselves right now.

    #InDefenseOfBillionaires

  28. But which Republicans are being rejected? The Establishment/Uniparty Republicans? Or the Tea Party/Trump Republicans? Because a lot of Trump Republicans reject the Establishment Republicans and vice versa.

    (There may be a similar split on the Democrat party side, but I don’t have enough information to call that one.)

  29. In case you missed it. Sometimes cops killing people is A-OK.

    https://twitter.com/ATFHQ/status/1366040817626984450
    We remember the fallen agents: Special Agent Conway LeBleu, Special Agent Todd McKeehan, Special Agent Robert Williams, and Special Agent Steven Willis who made the ultimate sacrifice while trying to execute a search warrant.

    1. It was fine on Jan 6th too. This has been established. Ask Sarcasmic and WK. They are defending it in the other thread. Cops can kill people for trespassing apparently.

      1. “Trespassing on public property is a capital offence”

      2. And, lest we forget to add chemchafe’s particular flavor of stupid to the mix, it is also acceptable — nay, desirable — to prosecute people for posting memes.

        1. He also said elites should be able to overrule citizens when they are wrong on voting.

          1. Stop misrepresenting his positions!

            Chemflake clearly explained that elites should be to overrule citizens on all matters, great and small, but only in the interests of liberty — and, indeed, that is exactly and unequivocally what the Constitution explicitly lays out in clear language.

            1. No that was his point after being called out for what Jesse just posted. As he was replying to me, I remember the discussion quite well. My original comment was on how the party elite shouldn’t try to determine the party nominee if that is the nominee the voters want. He then proceeded to answer that the voters aren’t always right and that is why they elites are needed. After several commentators, myself included, called him out he made your argument and your false argument that the Constitution allows elites to overturn the will of the voters to protect liberty. It does no such thing. It tries to insure liberty by drawing distinct boundaries between the people and elected and appointed officials (appointed and approved by elected officials) and by creating conflict that is meant to check any one side from gaining to much power. In fact, it tries to insure that we don’t create elites.

              1. Read the room, and maybe some of my other comments. You should know better.

                I abuse chemdouche on the regular for his infantile perspectives on — well, on basically everything. The guy is insufferable and manages to outdo himself all the time. One level of stupid always paves the way to another.

                1. Know better than what actually occurred. Read the room and my comments. I call it like I see it rather it supports my beliefs or not.

                  1. Your comment made no sense. It made no sense because you actually thought I was endorsing chemtwat’s perspective ….

      3. “Cops can kill people for trespassing apparently.”

        Not an argument I ever made, but go ahead and lie.

        1. Right.

          Because we are talking about an insurrectionist that was hunting politicians, pre-marked for death, after beating an office to death with a fire extinguisher. Right?

        2. So why’d Ashli have to die then?

        3. Yes you did.

    2. We will never know the names of whoever fired the shots that killed those worthless pieces of cowardly, pathetic, scumsucking shit, but they are without any question heroes along with Kevin Harris who successfully repelled the illegal trespass, assault, murder, and attempted-murder by the equally worthless piece of cowardly, pathetic, scumsucking shit William Francis Degan. Fuck each and every one of them individually and collectively, may their children and wives be raped and killed, and their graves desecrated in the most disgusting manner possible.

    3. “They had us in the first half, I’m not gonna’ lie.”

  30. “People labeling themselves and voting according to their own preferences and beliefs instead of whatever hogwash they’ve been force-fed is not dangerous to democracy”

    So what if they are. The goal is not democracy. The goal is minimal functional government and tolerant MYOB society that abide by the Constitution. Too many people champion democracy as means to promote more authoritarian and intolerant systems.

    1. “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others.” -Winston Churchill

      1. England never ran a pure democracy. Non biden cultists would know that.

        1. sarcasmic wasn’t too bothered by democracy when he was shitting his pants for 4 consecutive years while Trump held democratically-elected office and sprung his microchode to half-mast every time one of his policies was blocked or rescinded by unelected bureaucrats.

          1. I just find it funny that he blandly screams the narratives the left pushes daily. The cries of ending the democracy have been used since November to kill the state representation of the senate and the electoral College.

            I honestly don’t think sarcasmic understands what he is doing, but is simply broken at this point.

            1. I honestly don’t think sarcasmic understands what he is doing

              Being piss drunk by 8 AM every day will do that to you.

            2. I’m pretty sure you don’t understand what he’s doing either.

              1. I think we’ve known for some time that he’s one of your sockpuppets.

                And that you’re cunting up the place on purpose.

        2. When people say “democracy” they generally mean a democratic republic.

          1. “When people say “democracy” they generally mean”

            And here we see Zebcasmic stupidly asserting what other people mean because his sock is taking a beating and he likes to pretend to such knowledge.

            1. Ooh, that’s a new one. And rich from the guy who changes handles every day so he can continue to be an anonymous asshole.
              I have never sock-puppeted or spoofed anyone else, FWIW.

      2. Its not like we have any other choices, right?

      3. Plato disagrees. So did this country before the 17th Amendment.

        1. I love how people think the Founders didn’t know about pure democracy and the problems that come with it.

    2. Just wait until there are enough States [34, about half way there] to call a Constitutional convention; that will truly be SHTF time.

      1. It would be entertaining. Still, I see this having the same chance as the Popular Vote Compact does.

      2. I seriously doubt people of today can create a better Constitution that we already live under. The problem is we’ve allowed our constitutionally protected liberties and the checks and balances meant to protect them to dissipate into politically meaningless emotion & feelz.

        Not sure how to fix it, but creating a new one seems fraught with problems I don’t think many are considering.

  31. When the Left Attacked the Capitol
    Fifty years ago, extremists bombed the seat of American democracy to end a war and start a revolution. It did neither, but it may have helped bring down a president.
    https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2021/02/28/when-the-left-attacked-the-capitol-471270

    Shortly before 1 a.m. on March 1, the phone call came into the Capitol switchboard. The overnight operator remembered it as a man’s voice, low and hard: “This is real. Evacuate the building immediately.”

    It exploded at 1:32 a.m. No one was hurt, but damage was extensive. The blast tore the bathroom wall apart, shattering sinks into shrapnel. Shock waves blew the swinging doors off the entrance to the Senate barbershop. The doors crashed through a window and sailed into a courtyard. Along the corridor, light fixtures, plaster and tile cracked. In the Senate dining room, panes fell from a stained-glass window depicting George Washington greeting two Revolutionary War heroes, the Marquis de Lafayette and Baron von Steuben. Both Europeans lost their heads.

    …The Weather Underground continued to stage nonlethal bombings in the 1970s, notably a blast inside a Pentagon bathroom and at the State Department. (They called ahead on those, too.) When the Vietnam War finally ended, the group lost its center of gravity. By 1980, Weather had effectively disbanded. Dohrn, along with her husband and fellow member, Bill Ayers, came out of hiding. They didn’t go to prison. The government had dropped most charges against them for the same reason they couldn’t prosecute Leslie Bacon, and also because agents on a desperate hunt for clues had been caught conducting illegal break-ins at homes of the fugitives’ friends and relatives. The FBI’s overreach had backfired, but the era of left-wing extremism imploded on its own.

    1. They must have filled the capitol with troops and barbed wire for years afterwards. I bet White Knight’s grandpa was very concerned.

      “When the Left Attacked the Capitol”

      Oops, never mind.

    2. Days of Rage by Bryan Burrough is a neat catalog of left wing terrorism from the 1960s to the 1980s. By the time they bombed the capitol and the pentagon, Weather was in its waning days and its effete leadership who’d been sunning themselves on California beaches for 10 years were getting bored with their college hijinks. The seemingly forgotten Puerto Rican nationalist shooting in 1954 was much more substantial. I wonder why one became a cause celebre while the other is more or less banished from contemporary history…

      1. I’ve recommended that book on this board several times. It’s really important to keep in mind that left-wing terrorism was worse back then by orders of magnitude, but nobody remembers this stuff because the only ones who weren’t baked off their ass back then are dead, and other than the FBI conducting illegal search and seizures, the government reaction to all of it was actually quite measured compared to the last 20 years.

  32. “A good thread out of Sweden on how the Nordic Model of criminalizing customers of sex workers but not the selling of sex—a model that some U.S. groups and celebrities have been trying to misleadingly label as the “equality model,” or even simply as decriminalization—still leads to really bad outcomes for sex workers”

    Equality will never be achieved until we recognize getting laid as a fundamental human right, and demand government sex. And once all sex workers are government employees with a powerful union, we will all be happy with our non-gendered sex ration.

    1. All the fun of a visit to the license branch.

    2. Imagine Tulsi’s waiting list.

      1. Imagine getting reassigned to Hillary Clinton.

    3. As long as I get to top…

    4. What I don’t get about the “Nordic Model” is this: How the Hell can prostitutes sell if customers cannot pay? Don’t Free Market Capitalist transactions require a willing buyer and a willing seller, both unrestrained?

      The “Nordic Model” sounds like some Orwellian cock-blocking blue-balling torture done by The Junior Anti-Sex League.

      1. It’s like legalized marijuana. Here in MT we just approved it and it is technically legal but they won’t license distributors until next year. You can grow your own plants but no one can legally sell you the seeds. Buying from the black market is still a crime, so it’s legal but not available, yet.

        1. That would be the equivalent of scoping the “red light” district from your apartment window, cranking one out, and saving your money. It’s just not the same!…hypothetically speaking, of course.

  33. I mean the rise of generally nationalist, populist authoritarianism, with associated challenges to the separation of powers, minority rights, and federalism. This precedes Trump. The standard exemplar from before that was Viktor Orbán, Erdoğan in Turkey, Modi in India, and Netanyahu in important ways in Israel.

    a) It never occurs to these clowns (or ENB) that this is in response to the globalist, elitist oligarchism that has subsumed democracy and free markets over the last twenty years.

    b) Modi, Trump and Netanyahu aren’t remotely authoritarian. Neither was Sarkozy or Berlusconi. Just because they weren’t beholding to the Davos oligarchs doesn’t make them Franco.

    1. Only challenges to global oligarchy are evil, comrade.

    2. Notice we dont include the catalonians, nepalese or irish in this discussion of nationalist fervor.

  34. “Elizabeth Warren unveils proposal for wealth tax on “ultra-millionaires” as richest Americans see gains during pandemic”
    […]
    “The proposal, called the Ultra-Millionaire Tax Act and released with Congresswoman Pramila Jayapal of Washington and Congressman Brendan Boyle of Pennsylvania, would put a 2% annual tax on households and trusts between $50 million and $1 billion. It would also put a 1% annual surtax on households and trusts over $1 billion…”
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sen-elizabeth-warren-introduces-ultra-millionaire-tax-act/

    Pretty sure she is stupid enough to imagine that, oh, Warren Buffet knows how wealthy he is at any given moment.

    1. Don’t forget the Scrooge McDuck pile of money in the basement he can dip into to pay the tax.

      1. I keep my gold coins in the pool where I can go for a refreshing swim after the butler clears the table!

        1. He doesnt keep gold in his pool, he swims in his vault.

  35. https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1366724526487330816?s=19

    Six Dr. Seuss books will no longer be published because of their racist and insensitive imagery.

    “These books portray people in ways that are hurtful and wrong,” said Dr. Seuss Enterprises, the company that looks after the late author’s works.

    1. Dr. Seuss was a vocal and unabashed communist and he’s too right wing for today’s American left. Let that sink in.

    2. “It’s a beautiful thing, the destruction of words”

    3. When do we start the book burning?

      1. About a month ago.

    4. New Seuss titles I would like to see:

      The Cunt Gets a Punt
      Mean Words are Scary, Said the Drag Queen Fairy
      How the Grinch Stole the Election
      Green Eggs and Ham and Cars and Planes and Powerplants and …

      1. OK, well maybe no the ham – – – – – –

      2. Please tell me you have a newsletter

    5. I don’t know about the books, but some of his WWII anti-Japanese and pro-New Deal cartoons were pretty racist.

      1. Well, then they must be removed from his(her)story.

    6. Horton Hatches The Egg on Looney Tunes was “Art Imitating Life.”

      That vain-ass bird Maisey was the Lefty Democratic bitch suckering Republican elephant Horton into sitting on her egg while she went vacationing and slutting around. And Horton,, like a damn fool, goes along with it. He says like some hen-pecked cuck;

      “I meant what I said,
      And I said what I meant.
      An elephant’s faithful,
      One hundred percent!”

      The only good part of the story was that Horton got full custody of the elephant-bird mutant baby begat (somehow) by this trickery and they both went singing into the Sunset: “Et Cetera! Et Ceter-etera! And a so-on-so-on-so-forth! Et Cetera! Et Ceter-etera! And a so-on-so-on-so-on!…”

  36. Recent polling from Gallup finds 50 percent of respondents identifying as independents

    “Independent” like you, you Democrat-cocksucking mindless cunt?

  37. ENB is so intellectually challenged she doesn’t realize Levy is essentially saying the same thing as Lee Drutman:
    “Muh DEMOCRACIES”!

  38. Seems to me that, more than any other political party, Americans overwhelmingly rejected Libertarians.

    1. We should start proposing more laws.

      1. With a special focus on laws designed to crackdown on anybody engaging in, or perceived to have been engaging in, an “insurrection.”

        1. All protesters on public property will be shot.

          1. Survivors will be shot again …

            1. Why waste ammunition? Bayonet them.

      2. This is literally m4e’s position.

  39. Were’s White Knight this morning?

    He promised to be my lolcow again today: https://reason.com/2021/03/01/cuomo-asks-america-to-hold-off-on-believing-women-this-time/#comment-8786940

    1. He’s on the War Zone thread, now claiming that pepper spray causes strokes.

      1. Does he realized the Capitol Police used far more pepper spray and in doors that day? Despite regulations saying no spray in doors?

  40. “Three weeks after announcing that this year’s refugee cap would be modified, Biden has yet to sign the determination making it official, leaving refugees abroad in limbo,”

    You know who else was well-known for announcing shit he was going to do and then never following through on his promises?

    1. Every politician in my lifetime

  41. I mean, fuck Cuomo, but this latest accusation seems pretty weak. Hitting on someone at a wedding is pretty different from doing it to a subordinate employee at work.

    1. At least he didn’t have one hand up her skirt like someone else

      1. Yeah, pretty amazing how thoroughly that was swept under the carpet.

      2. I do think it once again proves the point of what trump was actually saying in that trailer.

    2. Your privilege prevents you from seeing the sexual oppression of the patriarchy right in front of your eyes.

    3. Any unwanted advance that could be dealt with by saying “Don’t touch me” should be dealt with in the most public forum possible.

  42. “WASHINGTON—The Biden administration is imposing sanctions against Russia for actions against Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny, who was detained by the Kremlin after surviving a near-fatal poisoning attack last year.

    The U.S. joined with the European Union in sanctioning Russian officials and entities in connection with the poisoning, saying Mr. Navalny was targeted for uncovering “uncomfortable truths” about the Russian government.

    “With today’s action we’re sending a clear signal to Russia that there are clear consequences for the use of chemical weapons,” a U.S. official told reporters, calling for the release of Mr. Navalny and allies who have been detained.

    —-Wall Street Journal

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-sanctions-russia-over-moves-against-nalvany-11614693850?

    We’re clearly back in the era of Obama level double-speak.

    On the one hand, the Biden administration and the Europeans are pushing to lift sanctions against Iran, eventually let them enrich their own uranium again, and this despite the fact that the Iranians are openly flouting the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, the horrific way the Iranian government treats its people, and the horrifying things they’re doing in countries around them, both with their own army and with their terrorist proxy, Hezbollah.

    On the other hand, the Biden administration is sanctioning the Russians for the use of “chemical weapons” because Putin poisoned somebody?!

    Has there ever been a time before that our government has used the rhetoric of WMD violations to justify going after someone for poisoning one single person? This is ridiculous. This is the rhetoric the Bush administration used to justify the Iraq War. This is the rhetoric the Obama administration used in their attempt to justify an invasion of Syria–when Assad’s forces really did use chemical weapons against civilians. Somebody seriously needs to call out the Biden administration’s bullshit on this, quick!

    Poisoning a dissident is not using WMD against your own people, and if the Biden administration wants to torture that situation into being the case, then maybe we really should be prepared to go to war with Russia over this. Is the Biden administration planning to go to war with Russia over Georgia and the Ukraine?

    1. Has there ever been a time before that our government has used the rhetoric of WMD violations to justify going after someone for poisoning one single person? This is ridiculous. This is the rhetoric the Bush administration used to justify the Iraq War. This is the rhetoric the Obama administration used in their attempt to justify an invasion of Syria–when Assad’s forces really did use chemical weapons against civilians. Somebody seriously needs to call out the Biden administration’s bullshit on this, quick!

      Poisoning a dissident is not using WMD against your own people, and if the Biden administration wants to torture that situation into being the case, then maybe we really should be prepared to go to war with Russia over this.”

      The US was kind of pissed over Kim Jong-Un using VX to whack his brother at an airport in, IIRC, Malaysia. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/vx-nerve-agent-kim-jong-nam-half-brother-kim-jong-un-malaysia-assassination/

      Still didn’t go to war with them. Too late now.

    2. Is the Biden administration planning to go to war with Russia over Georgia and the Ukraine?

      At least we won’t be repeating the mistakes of WWII while being led by literally Hitler.

  43. I have thought for a while that I would simply unregister to vote because, fuck it! I am tired of being forced to choose between the woke SJW party and the Trump cult. But at least I could vote for an LP candidate, hoping that enough people also would and maybe we’d get noticed, but it’s really not worth the effort I’ve decided. So now I’m off to my local board of elections office to finally do it.

    1. “…the Trump cult…”

      Maybe if you weren’t a TDS-addled shit, you might have voted for someone who was about the best POTUS since Silent Cal.

      1. best POTUS since silent Cal

        -rolls eyes

        1. Sevo isn’t really wrong there. Which is more an indictment of the clowns we’ve had in that seat, instead of an endorsement of Trump, but there you go.

          He’s easily the best guy since Reagan.

        2. -rolls eyes

          Yep, TDS-addled shit.

        3. Why are you rolling your eyes? He’s absolutely right you know.

    2. I haven’t voted since 2004. Just before the 2016 Election, I went to the Board of Elections to see if my registration was still valid. The Registrar verified that it had expired and I thanked him profusely. I told him: “Thank you! I want no blame in whatever comes next!” I think I detected a slight smile too.

    3. It does cut down on the junk mail and phone calls around election time.

  44. Mother’s Lament recently said that Trump’s December 2nd speech “laid exactly what kinds of fraud occurred” during the 2020 presidential election:

    https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-speech-on-election-fraud-claims-transcript-december-2

    Furthermore, Mother’s says that he stands behind everything Trump said in the speech. In Mother’s own words: ” For all intents and purposes, yes, yes I am, you demonic mouthpiece of fascists.”

    Most of the speech’s content consists of vague insinuations that are not falsifiable, but I’m combing through the speech for claims that can be verified.

    Today, let’s look at another one of Trump’s claims from the speech: [Speaking about Dominion Voting Systems:] “Frankly, when you look at who’s running the company, who’s in charge, who owns it, which we don’t know, where are the votes counted? Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States, Dominion is a disaster.”

    1. Of course we know who’s running the company and who owns it:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Voting_Systems

      “Poulos, President and CEO of Dominion, has a BS in electrical engineering from the University of Toronto and an MBA from INSEAD.[24] Hoover, Vice President, has an MS in mechanical engineering from the University of Alberta.[25]”

      1. https://marketrealist.com/p/who-owns-dominion-voting-systems/

        “Founded in 2002, Dominion is privately held and backed by private equity. The company was acquired by Staple Street Capital (as well as its own management team) in July 2018.”

    2. “Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States”

      Chris Krebs, former Director of Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security (until Trump tweet-fired him): “So all the votes — all votes in the United States of America are counted in the United States of America,” Krebs said. “I don’t — I don’t understand this claim. All votes in the United States of America are counted in the United States of America. Period.”

      1. So, WTF is Trump talking about. There’s just no there there.

        Sidney Powell made vague, hand wavey claims about foreign countries being involved with Dominion.

        There were weird (false) stories of the military seizing servers in Germany:
        https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-election-syctl-military/fact-check-the-u-s-military-has-not-seized-election-servers-in-germany-idUSKBN27W1UW

        1. There you are, you little retarded rascal.

          Didn’t you see me calling for you upthread earlier?
          https://reason.com/2021/03/02/americans-reject-republicans-and-democrats-in-record-numbers/#comment-8787438

          “Most of the speech’s content consists of vague insinuations that are not falsifiable”
          Oh lol. You lied and I schooled you the last three days because none of the statements were falsifiable… probably because Trump was telling the truth.

          You’ve got to stop relying on Vox and PoliTruk for your received wisdom. That’s why you end up telling idiocies like “Nate Silver’s polling company verified the election results” like you did yesterday.

          But if you did that you wouldn’t be our favorite lolcow (sorry sarc), so let’s get milking.

          1. First, your “military seizing servers in Germany” story doesn’t even come from Powell, Trump or even America.
            It’s from an Indian Journal and bears zero relation to Trump’s speech that you’re trying to discredit.

            Interestingly, The Thomson Corporation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters who owns Reuters, your go to on Dominion’s innocence, used to be headquartered in the same building as Dominion, 333 Bay Street, Toronto, and shared Directors. What a coincidence.

            1. OK, so what DOES bear relation to Trump’s speech? He said, “Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States”. What was he talking about?

              Remember, you said, “For all intents and purposes, yes, yes I am [standing behind everything Trump said in his speech]”

              1. “who’s in charge, who owns it, which we don’t know, where are the votes counted? Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States, Dominion is a disaster.”

                Seems like a series of questions to me. You’re trying to cherrypick and rework inquiry into statements, which really isn’t tricking anyone here.

                How the hell did you get this job when you’re so crap at it?

                1. That’s what you are going to go with? Trying to twist his words into, “He was only asking a question!” Pathetic.

                  1. Okay Wormtongue. Explain to all of us how that was a statement of fact.

                    1. Pathetic. The plain, literal reading of what he wrote is that he was making a statement of what he believes is a fact.

                    2. Do you think by some miracle nobody can read something that is plain as day?

                      ““who’s in charge, who owns it, which we don’t know, where are the votes counted? Which we think are counted in foreign countries, not in the United States”

                      Go fuck your hat, Wormtongue. You’re not fooling anyone.

                    3. He really isn’t. Disgraceful fifty-center. The fear of fire extinguishers gives it away.

            2. Secondly… well it seems like there are no seconds.
              You link to Wikipedia, give a little history, quote a guy who got shitcanned for fucking up, and then what?
              You don’t actually get back to the speech that you’re supposedly fisking.

              The kids internet is over there, WK ===>
              Ask sarc to take you. He knows the way.

          2. “You lied and I schooled you”

            LOL, Mother’s Lament is declaring content-free victory laps. Well, at least Ken Shultz is buying your lies.

          3. >>“Nate Silver’s polling company verified the election results”

            somebody posted that out loud?

            1. Mother’s posted a claim that a “drop” of 250,000 votes came in, mysteriously all for Biden. The source of the data that was misinterpreted to make that claim — Nate Silver’s company.

              So, Mother’s is arguing the invalidity of his own source of data. Not the first time today he has defeated his own argument.

    3. Who’s Mother’s Lament?

      1. Me.
        I farm idiots and White Knight is my most valuable producer.

      2. The guy in the comment directly above yours.

      3. And directly below.

    4. “Most of the speech’s content consists of vague insinuations that are not falsifiable, but I’m combing through the speech for claims that can be verified.”

      Gillespie once said something to the effect that where Trump’s supporters take him seriously without taking him literally, Trump’s critics tend to take him literally without taking him seriously.

      I suspect you’ve fallen prey to this.

      And there’s an open question about why you’re so interested in this. Are you trying to say that someone was wrong about something? Did Mother’s Lament claim to never be wrong about anything?

      IF IF IF he’s wrong about this, why does that matter? What are we supposed to learn from this–that Mother’s Lament is a an insurrectionist? That unarmed protesters should be shot for trespassing on public property? That Trump incited a riot?

      What point are you trying to make? Why does any of this matter?

      1. Mother’s Lament, as recently as this last weekend, was still out there promoting the lies that the election was stolen. Mother’s Lament swears that Trump’s December 2nd speech laid out the case for a stolen election, and Mother’s Lament says he stands by everything Trump said in the speech.

        https://reason.com/2021/02/28/trump-biden-cpac-speech-schools-reopening-teachers/#comment-8785730

        “He did win the election Robby, and we know it, you know it, the press knows it, White Knight knows it and even the Democratic Party knows it.”

        1. “Mother’s Lament, as recently as this last weekend, was still out there promoting the lies that the election was stolen.”

          So what?

          1. What? Am I being too mean to Mother’s?

            1. Hardly. Your embarrassment and rage are my joy. You’re my top lolcow.

              1. Ken is very worried about your feelings.

                1. Ken’s kind and knows it can be frustrating for caring folk when dealing with evil little retards.
                  I however, don’t give a fuck about you, and get a kick out of watching you fuck up each day.

            2. So what–why does it matter if people think the election was stolen?

              1. The left, and their White (Red) Knight, see 1984 as a how-to manual.

                “You are a slow learner, Winston,” said O’Brien gently.

                “How can I help it?” he blubbered. “How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”

                “Sometimes, Winston. Sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

                This is why they can’t allow anyone to believe the election was anything but perfection.

      2. “Gillespie once said something to the effect that where Trump’s supporters take him seriously without taking him literally, Trump’s critics tend to take him literally without taking him seriously.”

        That’s total bullshit excuse making for Trump. Besides, Mother’s Lament said that the content of Trump’s December 2nd speech is all literally true.

        1. Actually I thought that assessment by The Jacket was fairly prescient.

          1. When Gillespie said it he was simply observing, not advocating. If you know Gillepsie’s demeanor he was almost certainly being sarcastic about both of the camps he described.

            When Shultz just quoted Gillespie, he was advocating that it is a good idea to give Trump a free pass on being factually incorrect.

            1. Fair point but my comment was about the accuracy of Jacket’s assessment (sarcastic nature notwithstanding), not how it was being used in the ongoing commentary.

            2. “When Shultz just quoted Gillespie, he was advocating that it is a good idea to give Trump a free pass on being factually incorrect.”

              That’s just plain stupid.

              I was suggesting that your assessment is probably tainted by your apparent disorder.

      3. “why you’re so interested in this”

        A violent mob stormed the Capitol and tried to stop the peaceful transition of power from one administration to another BECAUSE they believed in a big lie about a stolen election.

        1. And you were traumatized by this?

          It really didn’t matter. It didn’t matter then, and it doesn’t matter now.

          There were riots all over the country during the pandemic. Our economy has never fallen so far, so fast, and civil unrest is to be expected under those circumstances. People rationalize it in various ways–the left differently than the right. That you were traumatized by civil unrest on the right, specifically, isn’t terribly interesting. You should probably get some counseling to deal with your anxiety.

          1. Anxiety about that would be a good reason to explain why you went around telling people that shooting unarmed protesters is justified if they’re trespassing on public property. A highly emotional reaction to anxiety would make sense–better sense than the bullshit morally bankrupt arguments you made at the time.

            Yeah, you were just having a hissy fit, weren’t you? And now you want Mother’s Lament to pay for their crimes.

          2. “And you were traumatized by this?”

            Traumatized is not the right world. Sad for the deterioration of the wonderful country I was fortunate to be born in.

            But, hey, I guess you are just honky dory with Trump’s undermining of civil society and democracy.

            1. No more sad about it than the left doing it for years now, decades in fact. Actually if we count the turn of the century communist and anarchist for over a century.

            2. There may be no better sign of the deterioration of this country than people like you publicly proclaiming that shooting unarmed protesters is justified if they’re trespassing on public property–as if that were normal.

              Talk about collapsing baselines!

              1. Except I didn’t say that. JesseAz says I said that.

          3. The ku-kluxers are still pointing the finger at “the wrong” rioters and elections rigged in all blew states. They do NOT mention that women voted for Dem looters and against God’s Own Prohibitionist looters. But it’s no secret. The Greene-teeth harridan and Linseed Green-teeth Graham openly brag about bringing back Prohibition-era birth control, and the godless looter press is publishing the gender gap vote count with whoops of joy. But there’s always Indonesia for mystical conservatives, and Islam welcomes girl-bulliers.

            1. Meth or opioids?

            2. Democrats are horrible slavers and starters of the kkk.

          4. “And you were traumatized by this?”

            WK reaaallllly needs to be lead in the worst way. He’s pathetic.

        2. “A violent mob”

          You still haven’t satisfactorily explained how the mob was violent, Wormtongue. All your other lies fell apart and now were down to a single fat fuck trying to scratch an officer’s eyes out.

          1. “how the mob was violent”
            “trying to scratch an officer’s eyes out”

            Your contradicting yourself in your own comment.

            1. One person is a mob?

              Your desperation is showing HO2. Someone should spray you with a fire extinguisher to help you calm down.

            2. “One guy is a mob”

              Forget HO2, White Knight can’t even count.

      4. When you are wrong on literally everything, and lie about everything, you have to hone in on little insignificant details you can cherrypick for some sort of bogus win to allegedly even the score.

    5. “Mother’s Lament”

      rent free

  45. > Refugees are being turned away from the U.S.

    Trumpistas everywhere cheer!

    > …due to President Joe Biden’s inaction.

    …but quickly turn to howls of outrage.

    1. The worst kind of bigots!

    2. fuck off SQRLSY

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  47. 3rd Parties are like throwing a random crowd into a championship game. The 3rd Party didn’t win the Regional game but insist on playing the Championship game so instead of being a part of the game they’re just their to run interference.

    This isn’t rocket science people. In Democratic election system’s the process of elimination from primaries to presidential election is part of the system itself. If 3rd parties want to play in the Championship game they have to win in the Primaries FIRST.

    1. Third parties can’t really win by themselves because of single member districts.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law

      That doesn’t mean they can’t win; it just means that the path of least resistance is to colonize one of the two major parties and take it over from the inside. I suggest we focus on the one that isn’t fundamentally opposed to capitalism and apparently don’t have any members who proudly market themselves as socialists.

      1. Readers will observe that Republican mystical bigots still struggle to cover up and deflect attention away from the law-changing clout of small-party spoiler votes. This is clout H.L. Mencken reported on in 1922!

        1. Wouldn’t be a hank post without a blurry reference to the 1920s.

          Haha. You whack, bro!

    2. To bad the Paul supporters are all racist, otherwise libertarian leaning Rand would be worthy of support by a libertarian publication.

  48. Interesting that MLK came up in a discussion of looking backward for moral issues that keep coming up and new ones that are introduced.

    MLK is quickly being erased by the left…. a colorblind society is no longer a goal or even desirable, it is actively racist.

    1. it is.

  49. Recent polling from Gallup finds 50 percent of respondents identifying as independents, rather than aligning themselves with either Democrats or the GOP.

    Gallup’s latest political identification poll, conducted January 20 through February 2,

    Did they just post the Feb. 3-16 results in the past few hours? Because that’s the latest as of now, and it shows the percentage identifying as independents went back down to 41.

    1. People are more independent in the wee hours, and more tribalistic as the day grows long.

    2. It’s ENB. Which poll fits her narrative? That’s the one she’s going with.

  50. Just for the record, no one tells a pollster the truth.

  51. Half of Americans reject both Republicans and Democrats. Recent polling from Gallup finds 50 percent of respondents identifying as independents, rather than aligning themselves with either Democrats or the GOP.

    Who gives a fuck? 99% of them will reliably get in line and vote for the guy with an R or a D next to his name.

  52. if 170 million people voted, how can the title be true?

    1. Welcome to reason.

      But then, you have been here long enough to know that.
      Next you will want the picture to actually relate to the article – – – – – – –

      1. they could just post redheads

        1. Lobster girl. What happened to lobster girl?

    2. There were 170 million ballots, but 170 million didnt vote….

  53. What did the Anarchists/Voluntaryists identify as? I suspect that there are way less than 25% identifying as a dem or repub.

    1. I imagine the really low-key ones never identify to to pollsters, assuming the pollsters find them at all.

  54. Noted above but worth repeating. Americans voted for MORE republicans and democrats, and far FEWER libertarians.

    Reason is insane.

    1. Half the population voted Kleptocracy. The other half comprises those legally barred from voting and those who prefer ex-post-facto whining as an instrument of change.

  55. The LP lost 2.6 million votes thanks to Tokyo Rose and Mises freaks albatrossing Jo with a communist anarchist running meat. The Greens lost a million votes for insisting gasoline be declared a controlled substance scheduled like heroin. The Dems gained by copying old LP verbiage about drug decriminalization and keeping our 1972 plank the Supreme Court copied as Roe v Wade. The GOP lost for offering to rob and shoot us over plant leaves and to bring back Comstock coathanger abortions. No mystery.

    1. Have you ever thought of setting your rants to music? They’d be popular on YouTube I bet.

      1. I think “communist anarchist running meat” was a punk band back in the day.

  56. Let’s see, we have a lot of new McCarthyites (including the entire staff of Reason) asking “Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Republican Party”, and advocating for government punishment, either directly or through “private” business proxies, of anyone who says Yes.

    I can’t think of a single “reason” why people would “leave” the Republican Party. /sarc

  57. Trump 2023! Not since Grover cleveland has a president served two nonconsecutive terms.

    2023…yup. Were in the middle of civil war 2.0 and it will take a few years to deport all the commies to communist china and hold fair elections again.

    El presidente biden wont be counted as a president of the united states sonce Trump was the best and last president america had before civil war2.0 went hot.

  58. It’s hard to make of this poll as people are currently experiencing all sort of emotional distress. But apparently the independents are not so independent after all.

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