Donald Trump

Republicans Can No Longer Deny the Reality of Donald Trump

It can be hard to see what's in front of you, especially when you're struggling not to see it.

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After watching last week's otherworldly events—a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president—I was left thinking of a quotation from "1984" and "Animal Farm" author George Orwell: "To see what is in front of one's nose needs a constant struggle." That should be the enduring slogan of the Trump era.

We've all seen what Donald Trump was about long before he entered politics—and yet large swaths of the Republican Party and public have struggled to reckon with the evidence that was right in front of their noses. You know—his habit of stiffing contractors, bankruptcies, litigiousness, myriad sexual-assault allegations, and abuse of eminent domain.

Even the president's sycophants have gone on the record in the past attesting to his demagoguery and misshapen character. "I think he's a kook. I think he's crazy. I think he's unfit for office," said U.S. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R–S.C.) before he decided to avert his eyes. I saw the same dramatic change unfold among many of my conservative allies.

I likened it to "The Invasion of the Body Snatchers," where extraterrestrials showered Earth with plant pods that grew human replicas. The pod opens and suddenly your wife looks the same, but is now an alien. I used to call a friend who complained about Trump but was softening. "Has the pod opened yet?" I'd ask. He'd laugh, but eventually declared his support for Trump.

It was one thing to jump on the Trump train during the 2016 election before his political approach was entirely clear—and given that his opponent was unlikable Hillary Clinton. After four years of his incessant lies, cruelty, conspiracy-mongering, ad hominem attacks, and various authoritarian musings, one could only not see it by deliberate choice.

Yet the vast majority of Republicans remained devoted to him. Even before 2020 voting had started, Trump claimed voter fraud and refused to commit to accepting the results. When I said, "You know, he might not abide by the election," Trump supporters insisted that we shouldn't take his words literally—or that I was suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome.

People see what they want to see—and many still cling to his baseless allegations (rejected by 59 courts, state election officials and legislatures, and now Congress) that he won a landslide victory. The following seems obvious, even if we must struggle to grasp it: Trump is trying to overturn a democratic election to keep himself in power and instigated mobs in the process.

Perhaps the edifice finally is crumbling. After the Capitol putsch, leading Senate Republicans—including Graham—had enough. They voted overwhelmingly to certify the election. Sadly, many Republicans were silent when Georgia's Republican secretary of state released that appalling tape of President Tony Soprano muscling him into finding 11,780 votes.

Even the oleaginous Vice President Mike Pence refused to singlehandedly reject the electors, as Trump had pestered him to do. Virtually everyone denounced the violence. Jesus accepted laborers in the vineyard at the first hour and the 11th hour—and paid them all the same. So who am I to criticize these politicians for waiting until the last possible moment to do the right thing?

"I think the president's conduct today was simply incredible," said Trump's longtime ally Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey. "As someone who has known him for 20 years, today breached something none of us should have to put up with by anybody who's given the honor of being an elected leader in this country."

Those are refreshing words. Yet too many people still are struggling to see what's been happening. Bitter-end Trump supporters claim that the president has no culpability in the violence that transpired at the Capitol—ignoring the long-held conservative maxim that ideas and words have consequences.

For days, the president had urged his supporters to head to Washington, D.C., on certification day. He spoke to the gathering—and riled them up with incendiary rhetoric. Even after the hordes invaded the Capitol, he released a video that repeated his unfounded election-theft claims and ended with these words: "We love you. You're very special. Go home." What an admonition.

After the attack, 138 Republican members of the House of Representatives still supported the president's challenge to the Pennsylvania electors. The newest Trumpian talking point is to blame left-wing agitators for the attack. "Evidence growing that fascist ANTIFA orchestrated Capitol attack with clever mob control tactics," tweeted U.S. Rep. Mo Brooks of Alabama.

Brooks isn't the only lawmaker to make this outrageous claim. Never mind the video evidence of the pro-Trump crowds, with their Confederate insignias, MAGA hats, and Trump flags defiling the building, or of the president's urging the DC crowd to fight the election results with "strength." It can be hard to see what's in front of you—especially when you're struggling not to see it.

This column was first published in the Orange County Register.

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    2. The fact that you won’t accept any disparagement of your Cult Leader shows just how deep in denial and devotion to Trump you are.

      Christ, do you even HAVE any free will anymore?

      1. You want to say that he’s grammatically challenged? Has bad taste in interior decorating? Lies like a rug?

        Have at it.

        You want to say he incited a riot by telling people to peacefully protest? I’m going to say that somebody has a problem with seeing what’s in front of them, but it isn’t me.

        1. I will say that he’s a terrible president who relied on being a demagogue who made “bigly” promises and appealed to the smallest common denominator by preying on people’s sense of wanting “strength” and used that to take advantage of his position for his and the GOP’s own selfish gain.

          1. Fair enough. But would you rather burn a pinch of incense at the Temple of Trump than live under an expanding administrative state that wants to dictate how you live?

            1. Neither because neither are libertarian.

              1. If you decide not to choose, you still have made a choice.

                1. Amazing how often people say that to Libertarians. We’re kinda used to it by now.

                  1. It’s almost like someone put it in a liberty-minded song, or something.

                    1. It’s amazing how ignorant the Jeff and WK socks are of the actual libertarianisming things.
                      If one is uncharitable, one could suspect that they may not be commenting here solely on their own behalf.

                    2. Wait, are you saying that hamilton is a sock now? I promise you he isn’t.

                    3. I’m not calling him a sock. I’m just saying.

                    4. @Zeb
                      No, not hamilton, ArkCelosar2.

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                2. Nah, then you’ve made a decision. If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice. I’m pretty sure the point wasn’t that you need to choose one of the two major candidates in an election.

                3. Hey old fossil. Only us old fossils know Rush lyrics. Let go and stop trying to control the next generation. This geriatric control of politics must stop. Trump lost. It doesn’t matter what you “think” or “feel.”

                4. I know, and choosing not to vote for either side is a choice I’ll continue to make.

          2. I’ve got no objection to that, most of it falls in the domain of opinion.

            Just don’t tell me he incited a pre-planned riot by asking people to protest peacefully.

            1. I’ll tell you: He incited a riot. He absolutely did. Feel better?

              1. Then prove it, in a criminal court, where you actually do have to prove charges. Not a political court where the only question being voted on is whether they like you.

              2. Trump was still speaking to people when the storming happened! He was late getting to the stage and ANTIFA/BLM did not count on that so once again they screwed up! There were at least 200 members there! Are you going to try and tell us they did that FOR Trump? Nope! They did that because they were PAID to! They are so stupid they post things on social media thinking non members will not see it! Many knew they were going to start riots and were told to dress as Trump suppirters so it would be blamed on them! Thats why Pelosi rushed to impeach before the information got out!
                You do not have to believe what I am saying and I encourage you not to. But if YOU ask questions and look for what is REALLY going on. Ask “What are they NOT telling me?” Then go to articles and sites on BOTH sides and go with what your gut tells you is true. Not what CNN, MSNBC etc.. have been saying because you KNOW they have been caught telling lies! Go read the documents that have been declassified.
                Of course if you are a Communist at heart, I am just waisting ALL of our time because there would be no hope for you to ever question AMYTHING government and Propaganda News sites tell you!
                Truly, Trump NEVER called for violence! He has been calling for Law and Order his whole presidency! You probably are not even aware of what he has done for the people in this country! Why? Because fake news never told you so it never happened! But it did! He has done more for minorities in this country than any other President in our lifetime! Check it ou!

            2. Trump telling his supporters to protest peacefully bore all the sincerity of Marc Antony describing Brutus as an honorable man.

              1. so he did not say the word “peacefully” just the way you to make you cum an extra squirt?

                1. Basically this.

          3. “I will say that he’s a terrible president who relied on being a demagogue who made ”

            I will say that describes the majority of the last 12 presidents regardless of party.

          4. Yeah the lowest black unemployment in history and the hottest economy in decades prior to the COVID hoax was just terrible. Orange Man Bad! Is he a libertarian dreamboat no but none of them are.

            1. So, um, hey, what did Orange Man do to bring about this economic “miracle”? Oh right. Nothing.

              1. Trump eliminated lots of regulations and opened up federal lands for economic activity; something Biden has said he wants to roll back.

              2. tax cuts, roll back of regulations, etc. Which far left fake news channel is saying anyone is calling it a “miracle”?

            2. Oh come on…. you know that was obummers plan to have the those economic numbers happen after he left office. Don’t you watch CNN?

        2. DJT Jr: “We are coming for you, and we are going to have fun doing it.”

          Rudy G: “Let’s have trial by combat.”

          Trump: “We won this election, and we won it by a landslide…We will stop the steal…We will never give up. We will never concede. It doesn’t happen…Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore…You will have an illegitimate president. That is what you will have, and we can’t let that happen…If you don’t fight like hell you’re not going to have a country anymore…We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them…”

          The only part of Trump’s speech that everyone of you dick lovers quote is this: “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard”

          Grow the fuck up and understand he is a con man covering his ass here.

          1. Whoa! A reality-based, sane post! I am pleased to see that such things are still allowed!

            1. You wouldn’t know reality of it but you on the ass. Picking one part of a speech to highlight while accusing others of the same thing is hypocrisy. Also, since when do libertarians condemn people for what someone else said? Because two of the quotes were not by Trump, even though they were by people close to Trump, he isn’t responsible for what they said.

              1. Trump’s LAWYER:

                Rudy G: “Let’s have trial by combat.”

                Lawyers are supposed to support civilized norms, not fighting like animals! “Birds of a feather, flock together”. WHEN is Trump going to divest himself of people like this? Don’t forget, Trump also offered to pay legal help to one who used pro-Trump political violence!

                https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-campaign-protests-20160313-story.html

                Trump’s endorsement of violence reaches new level: He may pay legal fees for assault suspect

                After a long history of this kind of things… Proud Boys, please stand back and stand by, “we may need to call you soon” possibly implied… THEN we wonder WHY trumpanzees go apeshit, trying to replace democracy with mobocracy?

                1. Well OK then… I guess Trump IS dumping the “lawyer” who calls for trial by combat! In typical Trump style, the “dumping” is… By stiffing said lawyer!!! Don’t PAY him for his services, is his “pink slip plus no-pay” for services rendered!

                  https://www.thedailybeast.com/jimmy-kimmel-roasts-rudy-giuliani-for-getting-stiffed-by-trump
                  Jimmy Kimmel Roasts Rudy Giuliani for Getting Stiffed by Trump
                  Noting that Giuliani’s day rate was $20,000, the late-night host joked that Trump “could’ve hired Gary Busey for a hundred bucks to do the same thing.”

                  1. Flag, refresh

                    1. I’m going to leave it up. It’s a retarded diversion tactics again but it’s still a break from his usual psychotic babbling and inane copypasta.

                    2. Now ***IF*** I was a whiner & crybaby, pro-Grow-and-Grow-and-GROW, Government Almighty, kinda prima donna, like WAAAAY to many of the commenters around here, I’d write…

                      “You’re CENSORING Meeee!!! THIS is why we need to TEAR DOWN Section 230, and have Government Almighty FORCE people to tolerate, if not read, ALL of my posts!”

                    3. Okay, that last bit of nonsensical jabbering got a spamflag.

                    4. Fuck off.

                2. “SQRLSY One
                  January.15.2021 at 10:10 am
                  Trump’s LAWYER:

                  Rudy G: “Let’s have trial by combat.””

                  “Arrogant_Condescension
                  January.15.2021 at 9:07 am
                  DJT Jr: “We are coming for you, and we are going to have fun doing it.”

                  Rudy G: “Let’s have trial by combat.”

                  You fucked up and outed another sock SQRLS.

                  1. Sorry, not a sock. Why are you guys so fucking paranoid? Do you still have that fear of your mom walking in on you while you jerk off to Donald Trump?

                    1. Accusing anyone who criticizes their boy, Trump, of being a sock is one of their diversionary tactics when they have no legs to stand on.

                      By the way, get this: Mother’s Lament, one of the biggest Trump worshipers here, isn’t even an American. He’s Canadian. That’s just weird as hell.

                    2. Oh no, a Canadian! The horror that must be to the POS xenophobe WK.

                      Irrelevant to anyone with an IQ above their pulse rate, but scary to WK.

                3. Well, now we are hearing Trump is going to stuff Giuliani on his lawyering fees.

                4. I remember when the Democrats declared that the Republicans were inciting violence by using bullseye symbols to show targeted districts.

                  I grow weary of the idiocy that your brand of politics bring to the discussion.

              2. Just give it up. You don’t need to defend Trump anymore.

          2. Your screen name suits you.

          3. The one sentence is called exculpatory evidence and is enough to create reasonable doubt. The quotes from his son and Rudy are irrelevant because he can’t be held accountable for other people’s speech. You also are focusing on only a part of his speech, the same thing you accuse others of. Hypocrisy much?

            1. You are grasping at straws to cling to your support of Trump. Don’t know why. Just let go, you don’t need to defend the asshole anymore.

              1. Anyone being falsely accused deserves a defense.

            2. The one sentence is called exculpatory evidence and is enough to create reasonable doubt.

              The burden of proof in a presidential impeachment trial is not established at “beyond a reasonable doubt.”

              That’s because there is no danger, in a presidential impeachment trial, to the defendant’s life, liberty, or property. The only consequence in this case (Donald Trump) would be disqualification to ever hold federal office again.

          4. Nice precedent you’re helping set.

            That the audience decides what a politician’s speech means, no matter what he/she actually says. AND the politician can be held accountable for any negative consequence of that speech.

            Sleep easy, though: such a low bar would never be held against your guy, right?

            1. It’s another White Knight sock. He uses “Arrogant_Condescension” when he’s feeling particularly bitter and cunty.
              It follows his modus of naming his socks after things he’s been accused of.

              1. LMAO. You paranoid fucktards have no fucking argument against anything that I have actually posted. I don’t give a fuck if you think I am a sock.

                1. You didn’t post an argument. Just a bunch of “Wahhh, Orange Hitler is mean and dumb!”
                  I mean what the fuck, White Knight.

                  1. LMAO, you are a giant fucktard. I posted quotes of people speaking at the Rally. How the fuck is that me complaining?

                    Did you get beaten by conservative bullies on the playground and you now have some Stockholm syndrome now and you pledge fealty to them?

                    1. I must interject: Fuck off with that shit. Trumpist fascism is done. Move on, fuckwad. And GTFO Reason, because limp, fat, stupid “strong man” Peronista style dictators have no place in the US. Let me repeat that: Fuck off with that shit. Trumpist fascism is done. Move on, fuckwad. And GTFO Reason, because limp, fat, stupid “strong man” Peronista style dictators have no place in the US. Let me repeat that: Fuck off with that shit. Trumpist fascism is done. Move on, fuckwad. And GTFO Reason, because limp, fat, stupid “strong man” Peronista style dictators have no place in the US. Let me repeat that: Fuck off with that shit. Trumpist fascism is done. Move on, fuckwad. And GTFO Reason, because limp, fat, stupid “strong man” Peronista style dictators have no place in the US.

                      You’re not a libertarian or a Libertarian, so fuck off yet again with your Trumpist bile.

                  2. LOL, I’m just looking at this comment thread for the first time right now. Rent free, your head.

                    1. Oh shit, did we just post at the same time? Hmm, either you are really good at typing on two different computers at the same time… or we are two different people?

                      Oh no, their heads are going to explode.

                    2. They don’t actually believe you are a sock. It’s just a diversionary tactic because they know deep in their hearts they are defending by Trump’s cretinous behavior.

                2. And, he’s not a sock, by the way.

              2. I seem to remember the first time you morons accused me of being a sock and I gave you a link to my LinkedIn profile cleverly disguised with the html tag of “Click here for a virus.” Apparently, you guys are too fucking stupid to see the highlighted URL when you move over it with your mouse, and would have realized that it wasn’t in fact a virus. Fucking idiots.

                1. The thing is, no one cares what you allegedly “think.”

                  Btw, my guess is that you’re so choked with fat from grotesque, excessive overeating that you haven’t seen your dick in 20 years. Prove me wrong!

                  1. The discourse here is top notch, ad hominem because people are so mad someone would say anything negative about the leader of their cult. If you love a politician, you’re blind, they’re all pieces of shit who want power and abuse it. Great changes comes through the free market and individual liberty, not sucking political dick. I say this as someone who voted for trump in 2020 (not in 2016, went Johnson then) simply because I wanted to see more liberal tears because it was funny, but after watching the shrieking and straight up inability to deal with reality by trumpers I guess I just like watching people who believe in politicians anguishing when they find their saviors are impotent and government is only good at killing people and stealing your shit, nothing else.

              3. Wow, rent free, your head.

            2. Even better is the overwhelming majority of protestors did not take his speech to mean they should break in, destroy property, or call for Mike Pence’s death.

              It’s pretty awe inspiring when you think about the shear cravenness of it all.

          5. “Grow the fuck up and understand he is a con man covering his ass here.”

            Grwo up and admit you’re a TDS-addled lefty piece of shit, attempting to read someone’s mind.
            Oh, and fuck off and die.

            1. And with language like that we wonder how we got to the Capitol riot. SMH. Yes, I may have called others fucktards, but I never told you to die.

              Nevertheless, thats an amazing defense. I can’t believe you came up with such an amazingly logically sound rebuttal. Did your mom teach you how to retort while pegging you?

              1. Sevo has issues.

              2. I absolutely wouldn’t mind if you had a massive infarct and died, just like several of your grotesquely obese “comrades in arms” when merely climbing the Capitol steps to … what exactly? Fuck off.

          6. Trump claimed “election fraud”: i) in his contest against Ted Cruz for the 2016 nomination; ii) before the 2016 election; iii) after the 2016 election; iv) before the 2020 election; v) during the 2020 election when it was obvious as soon as AZ went against him (McCain’s Revenge!); and vi) in 60 lawsuits after the 2020 elections. I’m missing some.

            Stupid ass Trumpist rubes and deplorables bought his BS. Which brings us to today.

            Fuck off, Trumpists! You’re done!

            1. I don’t like Trump. Didn’t vote for him ever, yet am forced to defend him because of idiots claiming his responsibility for a “riot”, which wasn’t a riot and wasn’t his fault.

              So tell the idiots attacking him that he’s no longer president in 3 days, so there’s no reason to continue this BS and we can all happily move to what the new administration is planing/will do.

        3. They want to pretend that’s true while calling those with free will deniers. Same old shit.

        4. Trump travels in a soup of “direction by indirection,” plausible deniability. Like a shark in its own personal tank. If Chris “Mafia” Christie is done with him, that’s saying something.
          Remember “yuge” and “bigly”? He’s not a nice, medium, compromising person. In what universe was the big crowd-missile not going to be pointed at the capitol? He wanted to see how big a boom he could get and he is not dumb enough to get himself in trouble by saying that directly. He got a large enough boom to feel satisfied. He also drew a map for the next attempt.
          He’s a master of doublethink and doublespeak, give him credit where it’s due.

        5. Trump travels in a soup of “direction by indirection,” plausible deniability. Like a shark in its own personal tank. If Chris “Mafia” Christie is done with him, that’s saying something.
          Remember “yuge” and “bigly”? He’s not a nice, medium, compromising person. In what universe was the big crowd-missile not going to be pointed at the capitol? He wanted to see how big a boom he could get and he is not dumb enough to get himself in trouble by saying that directly. He got a large enough boom to feel satisfied. He also drew a map for the next attempt.
          He’s a master of doublethink and doublespeak, give him credit where it’s due.

          1. lol – so he didn’t say anything directly inciting violence, but he still incited violence?

            Damn you’re dumb.

      2. “The fact that you won’t accept any disparagement of your Cult Leader shows just how deep in denial and devotion to Trump you are.”

        The fact that you drag that strawman around shows just how TDS-addled you are.
        Fuck off and die.

      3. Our tech overlords allow us all the free will we need.

      4. Actually we all accept Trump for who he is! We never claim that he is perfect! But he is far better for this country than anyone in congress at this point! Because you refuse to find out the truth shows how much YOU are brainwashed by the MSM who are nothing more than propagandist television! Trump could not be bought by foreign governments like many have been and that is why they want him gone! The riots in DC were not perpetrated by Trump supporters. Most were ANTIFA/BLM and even a CNN staffer has been identified now! Learn to wait for the truth to come out before assuming.

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    3. This article is a straight up democrat hit piece.

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      2. Greenhut copy and pasted it from last night’s DNC newsletter.

      3. And you’re a straight up fucking retard. Now, shut the fuck up and go deliver QShaman some nice organic food. I hear he’s getting hungry.

    4. Not liking Trump doesn’t mean they like Biden. It’s possible to dislike both of them.

      1. Well, sure, and IIRC, exit polling gives reason to believe a plurality of people voting ‘for’ Biden didn’t like him at all, they just disliked Trump more.

        Actually kind of ironic, given that’s how he beat Hillary in the first place.

    5. Here comes the snowflake crying some more.

      1. Yep, he posted at 9:22 am Eastern Time.

        1. lol

      2. Here comes the snowball (Jeff’s too fat to be a snowflake), whining about the proles thinking badthink.

    6. Enjoy the free minds and free markets brought to you by Sleepy China Joe.

      You mean, as opposed to enjoying the free minds and free markets brought by the overthrow of a duly elected president by fascist-wannabe Donald Trump?

      P.S. Of course, I voted for the best candidate running for president in 2020, Jo Jorgensen. (Just like I voted for the best candidate running for president in 2016, Gary Johnson.)

      1. “You mean, as opposed to enjoying the free minds and free markets brought by the overthrow of a duly elected president by fascist-wannabe Donald Trump?”

        TDS-addled lefty shit now wants those he finds ‘fascist-wannabes’ guilty of something or other.
        Fuck off and die.

        1. TDS-addled lefty shit now wants those he finds ‘fascist-wannabes’ guilty of something or other.

          I voted for Jo Jorgensen. In terms of small government, she beats Donald Trump (the fascist-wannabe) like the Yankees would beat a high school team. And in terms of individual liberty, she also beats Donald Trump (the fascist-wannabe) like the Yankees would beat a high school team.

          Not to mention that when she loses an election, she supports the Constitution and admits she’s lost. Unlike your loser, Donald Trump.

          P.S. And the really hilarious part is that I’ll bet in your fantasy world, you think Donald Trump actually gives a damn about you. Just ask Mike Pence whether that’s really the case!

      2. Sarcasmic, you voted straight ticket (D). Quit trying to pretend that you’re not just another bog-standard prog.

        1. “Sarcasmic, you voted straight ticket (D).”

          I’m Mark Bahner, and a straight-ticket voting Libertarian…the *only* party in the U.S. that stands for limited government and personal freedom.

          You’re a lying coward who posts under a fake name. And votes for a fascist-wannabe to boot.

          Go polish your jackboots. Maybe you can get a job working for Trump after he leaves office. (Of course, then he’ll stiff you on your wages when he declares personal bankruptcy.)

          1. He was called out above as not actually American. Ranting about U.S. politics.

            1. “He was called out above as not actually American. Ranting about U.S. politics.”

              I was going to write that there is nothing more cowardly and despicable than the cockroach who hurls lies and insults hiding behind a false name. But one who is doing all that and not even living in the country whose politics he’s commenting on is even worse than that.

        2. “Mother’s Lament,” is it true that you aren’t even a U.S. citizen?

      3. Try again! Trump has been fighting a coup by the leftist communists since before he was even inaugurated! And they don’t care who’s life they ruin to get it done! There was no reason to spy on his campaign except to try and counter what they were going to do! They used known propaganda by Clinton/DNC paid hit piece and lied to the FISC to get it done! All the info is coming out now and if you choose to overlook the corruption by the upper management of our law officials that is your choice! But when it is done to you, you have only yourself to blame! They have totally abused their power to frame American citizens for simply running for office! Not acceptable! No matter who they do it to!

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  2. Man. The media narrative has grown here quite a bit, reason can no longer deny it.

    It is sad watching a website built on “reason” not be able to separate actions from appearance.

    This entire article is about feelings and appearance. About shit that doesn’t actually matter. It is ignoring actions and policy, the things that actually affect an individual.

    This is sad to see.

    And the problem is that biden is just as bombastic, arrogant, and a shitty a person, he just has a friend media to cover for him. Biden challenged voters tonight for fucks sake. Called 74 million voters a white supremacist. Called the Hunter biden story debunked knowing it was a lie. Yet not one article from reason on Bidens faults. Problem is Biden can’t fall back on any sort of libertarian policy or action.

    So why would reason go after one while ignoring policies that are beneficial to a libertarian while ignoring the other whose policies are win direct war with libertarian principles?

    Reason tried crying “much principles” over the last year in their propping of Amash, but they are proving to be nothing more than another echo chamber of inconsequential bullshit where they believe words are more important than actions.

    1. Challenged voters to fight*

    2. The article literally put up sources and links to proof of Trump’s terrible actions, and yet still you’re neck-deep in the Trumptard Kool-Aid.

      1. How many people died because Bush II lied? How many children died because Obama bombed them with drones and lied? 6 deaths at the Capitol are a rounding error compared to previous Presidents.

        1. And, as far as we know, all of those killed at the Capitol were Trump supporters, including the USCPD officer

          1. And, as far as we know, all of those killed at the Capitol were Trump supporters, including the USCPD officer.

            Well, that makes it all right then. After all, inciting a mob to attack the Capitol isn’t the problem.

            And I guess if the mob had managed to find and kill Mike Pence after Donald Trump tweeted his anger with Pence during the siege…well, Mike Pence is a Trump supporter too. (Or was, anyway. I don’t know Pence’s current status on support of Donald Trump.)

            1. “Well, that makes it all right then. After all, inciting a mob to attack the Capitol isn’t the problem.”

              Fucking TDS-addled lefty shits lie, and when corrected, they repeat the lie.
              You.
              Are.
              Full.
              Of.
              Shit.

            2. “After all, inciting a mob to attack the Capitol isn’t the problem”

              Especially since that didn’t happen

              1. “After all, inciting a mob to attack the Capitol isn’t the problem”

                Especially since that didn’t happen

                Let’s look at some quotes from Trump’s January 6 address:

                Trump: “But it would be really great if we could be covered fairly by the media. The media is the biggest problem we have as far as I’m concerned, single biggest problem.” –> Surprise, surprise, media members who were identified by the mob near the Capitol were threatened and through threat of violence were forced to leave. Their camera equipment was damaged by knocking it out of their hands.

                Trump: “All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical-left Democrats, which is what they’re doing. And stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up, we will never concede. It doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.”

                Trump: “Our country has had enough. We will not take it anymore and that’s what this is all about. And to use a favorite term that all of you people really came up with: We will stop the steal.”

                Trump: “And Rudy, you did a great job. He’s got guts. You know what? He’s got guts, unlike a lot of people in the Republican Party. He’s got guts. He fights, he fights.” —> Giuliani had earlier said there would be “trial by battle.” (Because trial by the courts didn’t work, and trial by attempting to extort state election officials hadn’t worked.)

                Trump: “Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution. States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”

                Then Trump later tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

                —> And so, OF COURSE, when the mob got to the Capitol, the were shouting “Hang Mike Pence, hang Mike Pence!”

                https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-capitol-rioters-chanted-hang-mike-pence-video-footage/

                Trump: “Now, it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. And after this, we’re going to walk down, and I’ll be there with you, we’re going to walk down, we’re going to walk down.”

                But of course, Trump didn’t “walk down” to the Capitol. Or even ride. So he wasn’t there when the mob broke through the outer barricades, and then broke into the Capitol building itself. And even though Congress adjourned at 2:20 PM due to rioters inside the Capitol, of course he didn’t tweet or get on video telling them that they were there illegally, and that they needed to leave immediately.

                1. So Trump doesn’t say anyone or anything should be attacked, but through your wonderful mind reading tricks, that’s what he meant and exactly what his supporters heard? Even though he never said anything close to inciting violence?

                  Do I have that right idiot?

                  1. Trump: “Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election. All he has to do, all this is, this is from the number one, or certainly one of the top, Constitutional lawyers in our country. He has the absolute right to do it. We’re supposed to protect our country, support our country, support our Constitution, and protect our constitution. States want to revote. The states got defrauded, They were given false information. They voted on it. Now they want to recertify. They want it back. All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify and we become president and you are the happiest people.”

                    Then Trump later tweeted: “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

                    So Trump said, “Because if Mike Pence does the right thing, we win the election.” And, “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution,…”

                    Is it any wonder that the mob that went to the Capitol wanted to find Mike Pence and harm him?

                    Do I have that right idiot?

                    No, you don’t. And you ought not be calling anyone an “idiot,” if you support Donald Trump.

            3. “inciting a mob to attack the Capitol”

              You know sarc, I keep asking you for a quote where Trump does that I but you keep refusing to provide one. Trump’s speech is fully transcribed and the all over the internet. You’ve got no excuses unless you’re flat out lying.
              Are you flat out lying?

                1. lol – self referential links which show Trump never said anyone or anything should be attacked.

                  How’s it feel to be so wrong, stupid, yet certain at the same time?

              1. BTW, “Mother’s Lament”…are you really a *Canadian*?

                1. you don’t need the asterisks … you can just ask your irrelevant, and possibly xenophobic question without extra punctuation.

                  BTW, I live in northern Mexico, may I post an opinion about american politics? Or will you and WK screech that my thoughts are worthless because of my current GPS coordinates?

                  1. Well, let’s see. You post under a false name. You say you live in northern Mexico…so I assume you’re not a U.S. citizen.

                    That means I would feel free to address you like the the cowardly lying piece of excrement you would be if you wrote to me what “Mother’s Lament” wrote to me:

                    Sarcasmic, you voted straight ticket (D). Quit trying to pretend that you’re not just another bog-standard prog.

                    I post under my real name. And I vote straight-ticket Libertarian when a Libertarian appears on the ballot. So I don’t appreciate cowards posting under false names who lie about my politics…especially if they aren’t even U.S. citizens.

      2. The article figuratively put up sources and links to somebody holding up four fingers, and accused anybody who failed to see five of being delusional.

        If they actually believed that Trump had incited a riot, they wouldn’t be impeaching him, they’d be demanding criminal charges. They’re not, because they know that, by every legal standard, he’s innocent.

        1. You are literally the dumbest motherfucker I have ever met.

          Sitting presidents are immune from criminal prosecution outside of the process of impeachment, moron.

          https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-indictment-explainer/can-a-sitting-u-s-president-face-criminal-charges-idUSKCN1QF1D3

          1. So? Prosecute him next Wednesday. How hard is that?

            Read your own link: The Constitution says nothing about Presidents being immune from prosecution, it’s just DOJ policy, nothing more. What do you expect the DOJ to do, they work for the President!

            There is no constitutional basis AT ALL for the claim that sitting Presidents are immune from criminal prosecution. Congress gets far lesser immunity, explicitly granted by the Constitution. Anybody who says the Constitution immunizes Presidents against prosecution is pulling it out of their ass. That the DOJ does that surprises me not at all.

            1. You can’t expect a guy like White Knight, who doesn’t even know what the chemical formulae for water, to understand the difference.

              I guess his degree on Constitutional Law from the University of CNN, isn’t as useful as he hoped.

              1. Trump’s own lawyers even said that he was immune. So…now you aren’t parroting talking points from Trump and his lackeys?

                So you want to see Trump criminally prosecuted?

                Shouldn’t you be arguing the other way?

                1. They didn’t say what you seem to think that they did, and even if they had, do you expect us to believe that you’re suddenly listening to Trump’s lawyers.

                  1. Yes, I listen to a lot of different news sources. I remember this specifically from the first impeachment from Alan Dershowitz:

                    “Every public official that I know believes that his election is in the public interest,” Dershowitz said. “And mostly you’re right. Your election is in the public interest. And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment.”

                    And then his lawyers in the tax case, said he is immune from state prosecution from individual prosecutors.

                    How are these both not examples of Trump and his lawyers thinking he is immune from criminal prosecution outside of the impeachment process?

                    1. When did I ever say HE didn’t think he was immune? If he thinks that, he’s wrong, is that concept too obscure?

              2. Why are you talking about me when I’m not even here. Rent free, your head.

                By the way, H2O.

          2. So on Wed if they had a case against him the DOJ would. My guess the DOJ won’t because it will be nearly impossible to win that case.

            1. Not only that, but the propaganda coup Trump would achieve by the jury verdict of not guilty would be immense.

          3. “You are literally the dumbest motherfucker I have ever met.”

            You’re already retired the chair, you steaming pile of lefty shit.

          4. You outed this sock upthread SQRSLY

          5. Yes, a *sitting* President can’t face criminal charges, which is the point of the impeachment process.

            Trump’s ‘shoot someone on main street’ (paraphrasing) example is a perfect one. If he did that or was alleged to do that, he would need to be removed from office and then charges could be brought.

            We’ve never actually brought charges for things done while in office mostly as a form of avoiding a tit-for-tat war. I think it could be done, but it would have to have overwhelming bi-partisan support to avoid a future where no party can risk losing power or their former presidents will be prosecuted.

            1. I allege that on Jan 22, Biden will have shot someone on Main Street. Can we impeach him on allegations?

              1. Personally, I think to impeach the standard should be that you need not only the allegation but enough proof that the allegation is true for it to be even possible to convict someone of a crime. But, I also think the underlying crime needs to be a non-process one that involves either gross criminal conduct, violation of oath of office, or involved undermining our political system. I don’t think either of Trump’s impeachments (or Clinton’s) rose to that standard.

                So, if you alleged Biden shot someone and there was a video of a guy who looked like him doing it and his cell phone placed him at that location, then yes I would say he should be impeached.

          6. “You are literally the dumbest motherfucker I have ever me”

            Tell us again about the chemical formulae for water, WK.
            https://reason.com/2021/01/12/antique-plate-fiestaware-school-evacuation/#comment-8695663

            1. What the fuck are you talking about?

              1. He linked to it. Are you incapable of following said link?

        2. If they actually believed that Trump had incited a riot, they wouldn’t be impeaching him, they’d be demanding criminal charges. They’re not, because they know that, by every legal standard, he’s innocent.

          Impeachment conviction resulting in barring from holding future office does not require proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

          By every legal standard, O.J. Simpson was innocent of the charge of the murder of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman the day he was acquitted. But the day he was acquitted, did you think he didn’t murder them?

          1. This will be the second impeachment proceeding where a full transcript exists exonerating the President.

            The reason why the Washington aristocracy hasn’t let criminal charges occur both in either case is because the hard evidence demonstrates irrefutably that they are false charges.

            1. This will be the second impeachment proceeding where a full transcript exists exonerating the President.

              Yeah, the mob inside the Capitol was shouting, “Kill Mike Pence! Kill Mike Pence!” because it just happened to pop into their heads. It had nothing to do with anything Donald Trump said or tweeted on January 6th.

              1. The overwhelming majority of the mob DIDN’T storm the Capitol or do anything illegal though. So did they just not get the rioting and violence memo that Trump was passing out?

                1. The overwhelming majority of the mob DIDN’T storm the Capitol or do anything illegal though. So did they just not get the rioting and violence memo that Trump was passing out?

                  If Donald Trump had actually shouted, “Go to the Capitol and kill Mike Pence!” do you really think the whole crowd would have gone to the Capitol to kill Mike Pence?

                  The simple fact that very few people followed Donald Trump’s hints that the crowd was to break the law (i.e., actually physically disrupt the Constitutionally mandated counting of electoral votes on January 6th) doesn’t mean that Donald Trump could not have known that had a good probability of happening. (Especially after he’d just applauded Rudi Giuliani, after Giuliani said the matter of the presidential election would be settled by “trial by combat.”

                  Even more importantly, the very minute that Congress adjourned due to rioters in the Capitol, Donald Trump, from his hiding place in the White House, should have tweeted an order to his followers to leave the Capitol building so the electoral vote count could continue immediately.

                  Instead, minutes after the Congress adjourned at 2:20 PM, Donald Trump tweeted at 2:24 PM:

                  @realDonaldTrump
                  “Mike Pence didn’t have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!”

                  P.S. Important note: I am relying on the Washington Post’s timeline of events:

                  https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/interactive/2021/capitol-insurrection-visual-timeline/?itid=lk_inline_manual_10

      3. “Sources” consisting of anachronistic criticisms. “Proof” consisting of editorial rants. “Terrible actions” consisting of Orange Man Bad. You are participating in the Two Months Hate. Snap out of it.

        1. I’ll “Snap out of it” when you Trumptards stop with the “Sleepy Joe” and “Hunter Biden Bad!” stories.

          At least Joe actually hasn’t been president to have his actions gone through a fine-tooth comb yet, Trump doesn’t have that excuse.

          1. Geriatric Joe is an actual geezer though…

            1. Trump is literally just 4 years younger than Biden.

              1. Four years of dementia is a lifetime.

                1. I’ve seen more proof of Trump having dementia than I’ve ever seen Biden. And that’s on top of Trump’s blatant narcissistic personality disorder.

                  1. Whatever. You lying, dog-faced pony soldier! Listen Jack! You and me, push up contest NOW!

                    1. Says the guy defending the President who claimed the Continental Army of 1776 took over all the airports.

                      Can you hold a glass of water with one or two hands? And do you throw a hissy fit and purposefully show off that you can do it with one hand? Thats exactly what a person with Alzheimers does. I experienced it with my own grandfather.

                    2. You outed this sick upthread SQRLSY

                    3. Dean, Nice rebuttal. Oh wait, there was none.

                      Sorry to say that I am not a sock for any one of your fantasies. Poor socks, having to touch your genitals. I guess thats better than you trying to push yourself on a woman who doesn’t want your attention. Is that why your mom tried to use a coat hanger on you? Its evident that you have no real cognitive abilities with your astounding logical rebuttal.

                    4. Arrogant, If you didn’t have a hate boner on right now you would have realized those were actual Biden quotes.

                  2. I’ve seen more proof of Trump having dementia than I’ve ever seen Biden.

                    Greenhut conveniently provided the correct response in this very article:

                    “To see what is in front of one’s nose needs a constant struggle.”

                  3. Then you have been watching Propaganda television!

                2. Four years of dementia is a lifetime.

                  Well, then Kamala Harris is 56. So Donald Trump has 4.25 lifetimes more of dimentia than Kamala Harris.

                  Plus, there’s the little fact that the country elected Joe Biden, not Donald Trump.

                  1. elected”

                    lol

                    1. So who did you vote for? I went for Jo Jo.

                    2. Momma is from Lesser Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistanistan, where women don’t even get to vote!

                    3. Also please note that in Lesser Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistanistan, they have nothing like Section 230, and so they have no free speech on the internet. That’s why Momma shows up HERE with Her Comments.

                      But then amazingly enough… Just like a Californicator likes to emigrate elsewhere, but take their failed policies with them… It is Momma’s Highest Ambition to emigrate to the USA, where She will bring Her failed policies from Lesser Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistanistan, to here. She will then PUNISH those with wrong-think and wrong-speech, with laws brought here from Lesser Inner Islamic Canuckistanistanistanistanistan, as Her Highest Ambition! (She will punish US by taking away OUR freedom of speech, ’cause she has this “thing” about PUNISHING-PUNISHING-PUNISHING-PUNISHING other people).

                      I’m generally an open-borders person, but NOT a masochist! So I am hoping that in the VERY special (extra “special”) case of Momma, that we can keep Her OUT!

                    4. Yeah, lol. Trump lost.

                      To Sleepy Joe Biden, a 78-year-old man who campaigned from his basement. I think Eric Cartman put it best:

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48H34ukFe8g

                  2. And that is HIGHLY disputed by over half the country!

              2. But Trump is on point all the time.

                Trump is either completely delusional or he has perfected the con job he has maintained for four years on 74 million voters.

                In either case his talking points are completely shallow. He has no expertise on any of the things he blathers about – trade, healthcare, foreign policy, etc.

                1. Trump doesn’t have thought-out positions or ideas; he intuits and acts on instinct. It’s part of his appeal.

                  If he had a lick of discipline he might have stayed President. And if he had half a lick we wouldn’t have a Democratic trifecta.

                  1. Not true, he has a deeply held belief that protectionism is good for the USA. He stated that on multiple occasions over the years and his actions as president have shown that. He’s a 1980s Democrat that didn’t really change certainly on trade and immigration.

                    1. I don’t disagree. But to say that he came to those conclusions through any kind of deliberation strikes me as fanciful. Much more of a simple “winning is good, and a higher trade surplus means we won” line of reasoning.

                      I sincerely doubt he has much to say about the effects of protectionism on the capital account surplus, what the resultant inflation might mean to standards of living, etc.

                    2. He’s a 1980s Democrat…

                      It’s curious that an alleged 1980s Democrat (Trump) would get only:

                      27 percent of the Latino vote
                      9 percent of the Black vote
                      28 percent of the Asian vote
                      53 percent of White female votes
                      59 percent of White male votes

                      Whereas Mike Dukakis (a real 1988 Democrat!) got:

                      70 percent of the Hispanic vote
                      89 percent of the Black vote
                      49 percent of White female votes
                      42 percent of White male votes.

                      Do you think that one possible difference between Trump and Dukakis with respect to, for example Latino voters, might be that Dukakis never called Mexicans rapists and murderers like Trump did? I’d also guess that Dukakis would have some critical remarks if Dukakis brought Confederate flags inside the U.S. Capitol during a riot.

                    3. D-oh! Poor proofreading. My bad. (Sorry Mike Dukakis.)

                      That sentence should have read (missing word added with emphasis:

                      I’d also guess that Dukakis would have some critical remarks if Dukakis *supporters* brought Confederate flags inside the U.S. Capitol during a riot.

                    4. “called Mexicans rapists and murderers like Trump”

                      Do you happen to have exactly what Trump said?
                      Because I seem to remember Trump saying that about a cartel-affiliated gang and not about “Mexicans”.

                      You wouldn’t just be lying to everyone again, would you?

                    5. Do you happen to have exactly what Trump said?

                      You’ve never learned how to do an Internet search? Donald Trump, June 6, 2015:

                      “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

              3. Biden has a low IQ (around 90), has had two cognitively debilitating aneurysm surgeries, and is just not aging well. Trump is a little younger and has none of those problems.

                FFS, right before the election there were days where Trump literally attended ten rallies. At the same time Biden barely came out for a few hours, barely talked, and never answered serious questions.

                On,y a progtard could ignore those things.

                1. Oh, please. yes, he’s had the aneurisms, arguably is not aging well, but if you’ve met anybody who had an IQ of 90 you wouldn’t say that.

                  Neither of them are idiots, and neither of them are geniuses. (Except maybe at social manipulation.)

          2. Right! We don’t have eight years of Biden’s tenure as VP to comb over, so we have NO WAY of knowing that he will threaten to withhold foreign aid to a country unless that country fires the prosecutor investigating a company that Biden’s son worked for. We don’t have 36 years of his record as a Senator to see that he opposed school buses to integrate schools, that he believed Blacks were super-predator criminals, and more. What a brilliant argument!

            Biden’s mental state has gotten obviously worse over the last several years. And a crack-smoking, stripper-impregnating, tax-evading, access-selling offspring IS bad. But we all know why you are a denialist about these things.

            1. The fact that you blatantly ignore everything Trump has been before, during, and currently as President shows you’re nothing more than another loyal sycophant of his.

              1. Will the projection ever stop? You flatly denied that Biden had any kind of track record we could judge from.

                1. And you’re flatly denying any wrongdoing on Trump’s part entirely.

                  1. Trump has done nothing criminal. You just hate him. He has been a decent president. Biden will destroy the country.

                    Only a progtard can’t see that.

                    1. Or some TDS-addled piece of shit.

            2. Right! We don’t have eight years of Biden’s tenure as VP to comb over, so we have NO WAY of knowing that he will threaten to withhold foreign aid to a country unless that country fires the prosecutor investigating a company that Biden’s son worked for.

              Hmmm…let’s go to the tape on this:

              https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/03/politics/gop-senators-echoed-biden-on-ukraine-reforms-kfile/index.html

              At a hearing in March 2016 on Ukrainian reforms, Tennessee Sen. Bob Corker, the Republican chair of the Committee who would one day become a top Trump critic within the GOP, raised concerns about corruption in Ukraine and said his hearing would delve into what pressure the U.S. could apply.

              At the same hearing, John E. Herbst, a former Ambassador to Ukraine in the Bush administration and now director of the Atlantic Council’s Eurasia Center, testified that there was widespread support for the removal of Sholkin and praised specifically praised Biden.

              A month earlier (i.e. February 2016), a letter signed by Senators Ron Johnson (R-WI), Chris Murphy (D-CT), Mark Kirk (R-IL), Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), and Sherrod Brown (D-OH) urged further movement on corruption in the Ukraine.

              Ukraine’s legislature voted to fire Shokin in March 2016…

          3. “I’ll “Snap out of it” when you Trumptards stop with the “Sleepy Joe” and “Hunter Biden Bad!” stories.”

            Gee, sorry to point our that Joe’s a drooling, senile piece of shit and his son’s been peddling his political influence to the highest bidder for years.
            Nope, not going to lie to protect your fantasies.
            Fuck off and die.

      4. Do you really want to keep begging for “terrible actions”?

        1. It’s more of a plea for the government to do them to their enemies.

    3. Perfectly stated, “This entire article is about feelings and appearance. About shit that doesn’t actually matter. It is ignoring actions and policy, the things that actually affect an individual.”

  3. Why shouldn’t Republicans lie about the election? Was there any consequence for Bush lying about WMD in Iraq? Was there any consequence for the media lying about Russiagate? Why not promote politically convenient lies when there is no long term detriment to your political career?

    1. Do you have proof they were lying? 90% favor in a ‘swing state’ is a pretty big flag to just throw under the bus.

  4. After four years of his incessant lies, cruelty, conspiracy-mongering, ad hominem attacks, and various authoritarian musings,

    BUT WE GOT US THREE ABORTO-FREAK JSUTICES!

    1. You rape children. So please keep supporting your democrats. They are truly your people.

    2. RBG wasn’t an abortion freak justice? Or does that road only run one way with you?

  5. The main problem with Trump now is that by comparison we are even more so now giving a pass to every amoral, self-serving, egocentric, disingenuous, elitist political creature some of us vote into office. They’re no better than Trump, just more polished, even if almost always more destructive.

    The “but bad tweets” taunt may make you cringe, but how many lives have been destroyed based on the 47 years of terrible policy pushed by his replacement? There’s no comparison on that front, which is probably why no one is willing to make it.

    1. I wish we could return to the good, old days where a cool, hip Black President violated our civil liberties and war mongered in the Middle East.

      1. Lucky for you, all his people are getting their jobs back.

  6. Wow coming from Greenhut this is…

    Banal.

    1. Never thought Greenhut would catch TDS. He’s been a reliable voice speaking out against the Democrat one party rule in California for a decade or so.

      1. Then you really did not understand what he was doing.

  7. You know—his habit of stiffing contractors, bankruptcies, litigiousness, myriad sexual-assault allegations, and abuse of eminent domain.

    Yet the Fundie nutcases say he is a “fine Christian” appointed by Gawd.

    1. And Trump’s detractors say that selling access to the VP, soon to be President, is actually the very best business practices. Everyone tells them that, just ask. They will tell you that there is nothing wrong with trading on the family name and demanding $10M/year for “introductions alone”. Winnie-ing!

      1. The reason that story won’t go anyway is because it is all fake. Someone needs to tell the nutjob right that it is fake.

        Hunter Biden was a partner in a venture capital firm that invested in those overseas companies. It is like the right doesn’t understand the first thing about capitalism.

        1. The only fake stories were the Russian collusion hoax and its progeny. The newly declassified documents make it clear that the Korrupt Klinton Kampaign invented that hoax as a way to distract from Hillary’s email failures. Democrats in both Washington and in media booths fell for the fiction, and the country suffered as a result.

        2. Every bit of it is true. Only lying scum lie you denies it. You’re a child rapist.

          People like you should kill themselves, or hopefully be executed by your victims, or their families.

        3. “The reason that story won’t go anyway is because it is all fake.”

          So turd here believes slobbering Joe was lying when he had himself taped bragging about it.
          Turd sets new records for idiocy daily.

  8. Given the rising levels of censorship in this country, perhaps the article should have been titled, “Republicans Will No Longer Be Permitted To Deny Democratic Allegations”

    Because we aren’t, on an increasing number of sites.

    Hey, Reason: How much longer before you get the Parler treatment, too, for not censoring the comments here? You know it’s going to happen.

    1. The Truth has already been democratically determined on Wikipedia and Snopes. Just submit to the learned elders of Silicon Valley.

    2. If you don’t like it here, then just leave.

      1. This is one of the few news sites that still allows anonymous comments. It also calls itself libertarian while spouting solidly blue team statist propaganda in a time when the red team is being actively censored elsewhere like never before. It’s no wonder they get so much shit.

    3. They’ll remove comments before that happens. Many other digital media sites have adopted that policy, not like Reason will be alone in doing so.

      1. It’s true.

        It’s also true that a site that doesn’t allow comments is worthless.

  9. I don’t like Trump. I don’t think he should have ever won the primary, much less the election. But he did, and I don’t believe it was through any magic or cheating beyond him Not Being Clinton, which is really the worst thing I can say about Clinton.

    But I can recognize a witch-hunt when I see it. And I know from experience… especially when it’s liberals doing the hunting.. that as soon as they get a taste of empowerment they will run rampant until innocent bystanders and allies alike are roasting on the pyre.
    It’s already happening, and it’ll just get worse.

    1. Oh yeah, cause the Republicans are 100% innocent, kind, sagely never-do-wrong, chosen of God himself!

      Lemmie guess, you’re gunna claim Parler being taken down is akin to Nazism too?

      1. Parler needed to be taken down because it WAS a platform for NAZIS!

      2. “Oh yeah, cause the Republicans are 100% innocent, kind, sagely never-do-wrong, chosen of God himself!”

        If that strawman is too heavy, well, there’s plenty of TDS-addled lefty shits to help you carry it.

      3. The republicans aren’t the ones running a witch hunt at the moment. Try and keep up.

    2. Why are you defending literal Nazis?

      1. Jesus, you all deserve each other. I just wish you’d take it somewhere that I don’t live.

        1. Well, you could fuck off and die, making the world a measurably more intelligent place

        2. Psst. The Rabbi is a parody, a shitposting account. One of the better ones, IMHO. Getting mad at him is like getting mad at OBL.

          I agree that the witchhunt isn’t going to stop with overt Trump supporters. “Me today! You tomorrow!”

      2. Two reasons
        1: Because rights only matter when they apply to people that we dislike.

        No one will stop the “little old ladies who love cute dogs” or “Silly stuff on Minecraft” from posting whatever they want. Freedom of speech is unimportant for them. Freedom of speech only matters when people want something shut down. So, by definition, freedom of speech mostly applies to people that you would rather not listen to.

        2: Mission Creep. If you start with stopping literal Nazis from shouting literal hate speech, then won’t stop there. Your definition of “Nazi” will creep to “people I don’t like” and the definition of hate speech will creep to “things I don’t like to hear”. It’s happened every time, both accidental and deliberate.

        We’ve seen this in hate crimes already. “Hate Crime” used to mean murder and assault. Now, “hate crime” includes rude words said in passing and dumb kids drawing swastikas in sidewalk chalk.

        It’s also manipulated by judges. We saw last month how politicians literally changed the dictionary to make the phrase “sexual preference” into hate speech retroactively to attack Justice Barrett.

        So we need to stop infringement of free speech now, in the bud, before it affects everyone.

        1. If you start with stopping literal Nazis from shouting literal hate speech, then won’t stop there. Your definition of “Nazi” will creep to “people I don’t like” and the definition of hate speech will creep to “things I don’t like to hear”.

          Pretty sure we’re at that stage already

          1. We started at that stage, given the shortage of literal Nazis in this country.

    3. …that as soon as they get a taste of empowerment they will run rampant until innocent bystanders and allies alike are roasting on the pyre.

      Yes, because preventing Donald Trump–whom the “538” website judges as having the lowest net approval ratings since records started with Harry Truman–from running in 2024 (when he will be 78) or 2028 (when he will be 82)…is just like “roasting on the pyre.”

      1. The ones that will be roasting on the pyre are my fellow libertarians because we dare to support the second amendment or fight against idiotic “hate speech” laws.

        1. The ones that will be roasting on the pyre are my fellow libertarians because we dare to support the second amendment or fight against idiotic “hate speech” laws.

          The Internet contains a stunningly large amount of information. I’ll send you $100 if you find one instance of Democrats roasting a person on a pyre since you were born.

          1. FFS, you’re an idiot.

  10. “We’ve all seen what Donald Trump was about long before he entered politics.”

    And yet, before he entered politics, Donald Trump was a celebrity celebrated by the mainstream and entertainment media. Late night talk show hosts who now vilify him on an hourly basis were falling all over one another to get Trump onto their shows before he entered politics. Trump made cameo appearances in movies. NBC, owner of MSNBC, gave him a network television program and celebrated him as America’s business genius. Business schools actually used episodes of his television program as teaching modules.

    Donald Trump was an A-list celebrity in America for over 30 years. Nobody noticed (or cared) that he was an authoritarian, racist, sexist, aspirational fascist, crook, reality denying lunatic, or any other of the things those very same people now accuse him of being. When it comes to Trump, Republicans are hardly alone in failing to see what was in front of their faces.

      1. Ok, you got me. B+ List. Satisfied?

    1. It wasn’t the Liberals fault that 70+ million people voted for Trump. Those voters WANTED an authoritarian, racist, sexist, reality-denying lunatic for president.

      1. Ok Reddit. Enough r/politics for you today

      2. If they wanted that they would have voted biden/harris

      3. No, but we got Usurper Biden anyway.

    2. “When it comes to Trump, Republicans are hardly alone in failing to see what was in front of their faces.”

      When it comes to Trump, TDS-addled lefty shits are alone in lying about him.

    3. Nobody noticed (or cared) that he was an authoritarian, racist, sexist, aspirational fascist, crook, reality denying lunatic, or any other of the things those very same people now accuse him of being.

      Or maybe he is not any of those things – or at least no more than the average person – and only gained those labels by having the audacity to run for President on the (R) side. You know, since every single Republican is universally labelled that way since GWB.

    4. NBC, owner of MSNBC, gave him a network television program and celebrated him as America’s business genius.

      The show being “The Apprentice”?

      I would have as soon watched “The Apprentice” as watching “The Bachlorette”…but what sort of situations or statements on the program “celebrated him as America’s business genius”?

      1. Do your own research moron.

        1. Why would I research a show starring a miserable loser like Donald Trump?

          And as I’ve already written, anyone who supports Donald Trump should not be calling someone else a “moron.”

  11. All praise for Chairman Zhou Biden.

    1. You would prefer kneeling at King Trump’s feet?

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      2. I’m not really into kneeling outside church, bad knees and I’m stubborn.

        He was, so far as I’m concerned, the least worst candidate with a chance of winning. Nothing more. Apparently that makes me a cultist somehow.

        1. Because you won’t join them in their 4 years of hate!

        2. He was, so far as I’m concerned, the least worst candidate with a chance of winning.

          He revealed that he wasn’t the “least worst candidate with a chance of winning” by his actions after he lost.

          For example, as bad as Hillary Clinton was, when she lost to Trump by a very similar margin in the Electoral College–and she actually won the popular vote–she publicly conceded immediately when it was clear she had lost.

          Also, it’s foolish to vote for the “least worst candidate with a chance of winning” when you’re voting for any federal or statewide office.

      3. That’s democrat thing.

      4. I would have preferred someone else entirely, but unfortunately that person wasn’t running under any party’s banner.

      5. Why is it either or? Even if I assume all of the things you say about what he wants to be, I had enough faith in the American system, populace, and current party external and internal divisions to know there was no path to get there. Just like I had no fear that Obama would try to become President for life.

        I do have legitimate fear that a Biden administration will align the judicial branch to be a rubber stamp for the party in power and will seek (through silencing, structural changes to the country, and rule changes to the legislature) to impose a permanent one party rule – which will really come back to bite in about 4 years when AOC initiates a coup and becomes latinx Stalin.

    1. Cue TDS-addled lefty shit.

  12. Can we still deny the reality of Zhou Biden being bought off by China? 10% for the big guy.

    Fuck off, Reason.

  13. What’s really sad is that primary voters keep supporting the most odious candidates vomited up by the major parties. What a choice in 2016: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton; this is the best we could do? What a choice in 2020. Why is half the country scared shitless by the other half’s choice? Looks to me like the only shared value in America is to “stick it to the evil bastards on the other side,” with just a few libertarians willing to peacefully live and let live.

    1. Thumbs up.

    2. Well, the Democratic primary both times was manipulated by party bosses to the point of being an outright sham. Clinton brought the money into a nearly bankrupt party and essentially nominated herself. In 2020, I think they chose Biden as a “safe” and “boring” choice. The party and media had covered up and ignored Biden’s sexual assault and bribery scandals for so long that they had forgotten that Biden is essentially what they had accused Trump of being this entire time, a corrupt and perverted old man who routinely assaults women and takes large, transparent gifts from foreign powers.

      As for Trump? He won in 2016 due to being the outside candidate in a party that wanted to change things up. Look at the second and third place candidates: Cruz and Rubio. Both of them had been elected as reformers a few years prior. It’s clear we had a voter base that was fed up with the status quo of the Bushes, the religious right, and corporate promotion. They wanted someone completely different, and they went as far as they could

      1. But he commutes by train from Delaware instead of having a place in DC! At least that’s what “60 Minutes” thought was so cool about Biden. And he has really great dentures.

    3. 2016 gave us a choice between the drunk at the end of the bar (who doesn’t drink), and the last 30 minutes of Goodfellas.

      1. Now we’ll get a choice between the end of 1984 and the end of Joe Pesci in Casino.

        1. Pesci played Bernie Sanders in Goodfellas – they were both set up and killed thinking they were about to be made/nominated.

          Now Pesci is playing Trump. The republicans are his own crew beating him to death with a bat and dumping him in a grave still breathing.

    4. “What’s really sad is that primary voters keep supporting the most odious candidates vomited up by the major parties.”

      Really, go back to the primaries for both major parties in 2020 and 2016. Even at the primary level, there wasn’t a non-odious candidate available to support.

      1. Rand Paul?

        I’d throw Cruz in there too, but I understand if you wouldn’t.

        1. Sorry, I might have thought Cruz was non-odious, but I met him at a candidate forum back in 2016. Guy oozes slick.

          Kind of reminds me of my visceral reaction to Bill Clinton, actually.

          1. Fair. Albeit most women I’ve talked to about Cruz—-not that the subject ever comes up usually—-find him “Creepy.” Nearly unanimous.

            I haven’t heard that ever about Bill. Sleazy is different from creepy.

            1. What’s the difference? Beer goggles do it for one, and roofies are required for the other?

      2. Marianne Williamson wasn’t odious. Insane, maybe. But not odious.

    5. In 2016 there was literally a better choice: a successful two-term governor and businessman without a hint of corruption, with a plan to balance the budget in 8 years. And he got 3% of the vote.

      1. Maybe if his running mate didn’t endorse Hillary.

    6. How quickly we forget that the 2016 election was a race between the least popular major party presidential candidate on record versus the second least popular major party presidential candidate on record.

      We also forget that the second least popular major party candidate was supposed to waltz into the White House in 2008 but couldn’t even win her parties’ nomination, losing it to the Junior Senator from Illinois. 2016 was supposed to be her Presidential coronation but she had to struggle merely to win the nomination over a superannuated socialist who apparently joins her party only when he wants its nomination. All the signs were there that America did not really want her, and that the election of Trump was more a protest vote against her and the political establishment that foisted her on the American people against their will than it was an endorsement of Trump.

  14. Really? Watch them. They never gave a shit about Reagan and Iran Contra, etc. They’ll easily forget any of this happened and vote for the next asshole with an R next to his/her name.

    1. Your party is a bunch of idiot marxists. Every day we allow your kind to live is an exercise in misguided tolerance.

      1. You’re an ignorant dipshit who doesn’t know what a marxist is.

        Shut the fuck up and jump in a woodchipper, incel.

  15. Sure, not seeing the lunacy in the Trump-loving fringe is dangerously delusional.

    What about not seeing the lunacy in the BLM/Marxist fringe that scored 100x events over the past year? Is that what “woke” means?

    Fuck off, Greenhut.

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  16. “After watching last week’s otherworldly events—a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president . . .

    I read this and was left thinking that author is begging the question.

    The Democrats have now tried to overturn the election results of 2016 twice–both times over non-issues.

    The first was over Russian collusion that never happened and the second was over an incitement to riot speech that Trump never gave.

    1. Three times. Don’t forget when they impeached him for something Joe Biden did.

  17. Should be pretty clear to Trumpers that they will never beat the “deep state”, so they can pack up and go home.

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    2. Until enough people figure out that there are too many democrats and decide to subtract enough. Eventually reducing the number to a more manageable level.

    3. Also, trumpanzees going apeshit need to do it in some God-forsaken jungle, NOT at the Capitol! Their luck next time around does NOT look too promising!

      https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-01-14/national-guard-at-capitol-authorized-to-use-lethal-force-in-aftermath-of-mob

      National Guard at Capitol Authorized to Use Lethal Force in Aftermath of Mob
      The dramatic escalation in authorities granted to the 20,000 Guard troops stationed in D.C. is only the latest response to last week’s massive security failure.

      Hey trumpanzees! Democracy isn’t a suicide pact! We won’t have democracy replaced by mob-ocracy, without y’all getting your hair mussed up!

      1. You mean we’re not standing down anymore to rioters? Maybe the guard should kneel before the rioters? No more of that?

        No more autonomous zones where we juts evacuate law enforcement and let them burn and loot?

        Boo what changed?

      2. Democracy is Mob Rule. Which Mob will get the most votes. Probably why the founders attempted to design a Constitutionally Limited Republic. Too bad it failed.

      3. See Tianmen Square 1989

        1. Tianmen Square was indeed a tragedy. Too bad it failed, as have other uprisings against authoritarians.

          In OTHER cases, uprisings have been stoked deliberately by authoritarians, to grab and hold power! See Mao Tse Tung… He was afraid he saw his power slipping away, to be shared with more moderate politicians, who wanted more property rights, and moderation in general. Mao loosed the young “Red Guards” on them, in order to retain power for Mao. Young “Red Guards” = mobs set loose to support the dictator!

          Krystallnacht, NAZI Germany, let the mobs loose on Jews, is another clear case of the same…

          Young “Red Guards” and Krystallnacht are clear historical warnings against letting the trumpanzees go apeshit at will!

          1. Flag, refresh

            1. We’re all, already aware of Your Awesome Computer Skills, Stable Genius Junior! Now can you cut the clutter, please, clutter-shitter?

              1. Now you want to eat his shit too? Your appetite for shit is boundless!

            2. It seems to really piss it off, Sevo. We should keep doing it.

              1. You’re in league with SQRLSY. Not a good look.

                1. What? No. Flag that spastic mental patient early and often.

                  Attention is what it wants. Don’t give it to him.

      4. I would argue that if you have a problem with how our government operates or treats it’s citizens, DC is the ONLY appropriate place to “go apeshit”.

        I thought you were some kind of minarchist or anarchist? Why the fuck would you care if people go off on the government almighty?

  18. Yea!!!

    Joe announces new $1.9M money printing bill and a $15/hour minimum wage and off course a bailout of state governments who refuse to let their citizens work

    Double Yea!!!

    So much better than Trump

    1. “T”rillion. And stay tuned. More Magic Money to come…

  19. It’s always been a least worst scenario, and democrats are far worse. You’re already seeing it in action even though libertarians are ignoring all the warning signs. It’s too late to stop the damage they will cause for the next two years and possibly up to 10 years.

  20. Trump was always a joke candidate and his election proved the presidency is a farce. He pissed off the Republicans, so the Ds jumped primaries to help him get the nomination and then he pissed off Hillary, so everyone said, if SHE hates him that much, how bad can he be? Subsequently, he has proved definitively that the big wheel the president spins while wearing the captain’s hat is not connected to the rudder. The unelected bureaucrats who make the screws turn in the Executive are unaccountable to the People. And they will only serve those masters who want to increase federal power.

    I summarized it pretty well the other day.

    https://reason.com/2021/01/13/arizonas-gop-has-become-a-trump-cult/#comment-8698321

    If you scroll through that thread there is some great stuff towards the end.

  21. Maybe the single most pathetic thing to come out of Trump’s presidency, which I haven’t seen a lot of people talking about, is how badly he betrayed Pence. That was the most bitchmade thing I’ve ever seen a grown man do. It’s hard to have any respect for Trump as a man after that.

    1. I don’t know. Is it really much different than how Obama treated Biden?

      “Never underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up”

      1. I don’t know. Is it really much different than how Obama treated Biden?

        It’s hilarious how clueless some people can be. In these very comments I linked to video of the Capitol mob shouting “Kill Mike Pence! Kill Mike Pence!”…because Donald Trump decided to throw Pence to the mob, because Pence was no longer seemed useful to Trump. And you ask, “Is it really much different than how Obama treated Biden?”

        Yeah, it’s really that much different than how Obama treated Biden.

        1. The mob chanted “Kill Mike Pence” because Trump never told them to do any such thing.

          Seriously, you have the reading comprehension ability of a retard.

          Actually, scratch that. Even retards know when something was never said, as such my comparison insults them more than you.

          In any event, you truly are a POS. Congrats on that.

  22. Joe also plans on helping small business but only minority and women owned ones.

    Yea!!!!

    Not racist or sexist at all.

  23. And here we go…

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  25. If the Republicans rebuke trump’s supporters, they will never win another national election.

    If Democrats are allowed to continue with unsecure elections, then Republicans will never win.

    Enjoy your one party state with “lock up the innocent” Harris at it’s head.

    1. If the Republicans rebuke trump’s supporters, they will never win another national election.

      In 1974, the Republicans were finished, done, a relic in the dustbin of history.

      In 1984, the Democrats were finished, done, a directionless party wandering in the desert.

      In 2008, the Republican party was finished, done, a relic in the dustbin of history.

      In 2016, the Democrats were finished, done, a directionless party wandering in the desert.

      Some people have really, really, really, really short memories.

      1. And others, employed in allegedly-respectable news publications, repeatedly draw these idiotic long-term conclusions from short-term fluctuations.

        But fear not. If they keep making predictions like this endlessly, they are bound one day to be correct.

  26. “Those Bastards On The Other Side Can No Longer Deny Their Horribleness”

    I’m getting tired of reading takes like these.

    1. That’s really going to reduce the number of Reason articles you can read.

  27. “…a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president…”

    Read no further.

  28. > “Has the pod opened yet?”

    It’s the result of the stupid ass partisan bubbles we’re all in. There is only stark white and deepest black. If you were not gung-ho for Trump in 2016 then you were obviously a paid Hillary shill. There was no middle ground. No nuance. No third path.

    This is why the Evangelical Right declared him to be Chosen of God while studiously ignoring his immorality. This is why the economic liberty crowd cheered him on as he engaged in the crassest form of protectionism. This is why libertarians praised his every authoritarian moment. The only pushback, the only one at all, was when to suggested bringing troops home. Sensing that he might lose a few people from his parade, he quickly retweeted something else.

    He wasn’t Hillary and thus could do no wrong.

    Only now, at the very end, the last week, do we see any in the Republican Party wondering where the conservatism went. You raped it and ditched the body in field. That’s where it went.

    1. “…There is only stark white and deepest black…”
      You.
      Are.
      Full.
      Of.
      Shit.

    2. “This is why the Evangelical Right declared him to be Chosen of God while studiously ignoring his immorality.”

      People who don’t know any theology say stuff like that.

    3. “…his every authoritarian moment…”

      Must have been at least one in four years, but I missed it. Or this TDS-addled shit heard about something on CNN.

    4. Perhaps people forgot why he did not go directly to jail. Any ideas?

  29. Didn’t vote for Trump in 2016.

    Voted for him this election.

    Maybe I’m becoming less libertarian– or maybe I never was– but it seems, to me, that Reason (or at least the writers) have become indistinguishable from the MSM.

    It’s just non-stop gaslighting / TDS riddled articles. I half expect a flood of Democratic puff pieces once Biden is sworn in and does almost nothing congruent with libertarianism.

    …except open borders, because that and ACAB seem to be the two issues Reason libertarians appear to care about the most.

    1. Actually I expect that as soon as Biden is in office the Democrats will stop pretending to care about immigrants. Let’s not forget that all the things Trump did regarding immigration that the Democrats claimed to oppose actually started during the Clinton administration and have continued nonstop ever since.

      1. Disagree. Mouthpieces like Yglesias don’t come up with books advocating 1 billion Americans, if they weren’t thinking about replacing the American populace and voter with something more malleable.

        Biden is evidently contemplating amnesty for existing illegal aliens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN87RAjDi1I

    2. Add removing all tariffs on US imported goods and raw materials (while not caring whether those trading partners impose tariffs on US exported goods), and I think you’ve about got it.

  30. Comment section contradicts and proves the article is wrong. Trump supporters? What Trump supporters? They were really just anti-Biden folks who happened to travel back in time and merely agree with Trump that elections are always rigged. Trump was just along for the ride on the crazy train.

    1. Shame you posted in the wrong thread, but lefty shits tend to get confused.

    2. We are in our third month now of article after article decrying anyone who actively resists the statist/Democrat takeover of the government as a liar, a Trump cultist, and now as traitors. After 4 years of watching the statist entrenched bureaucracy investigate and undermine anyone who resisted the takeover in 2016.

      In case you hadn’t noticed, Progressives have no forgiveness for anyone who disagrees that we all need to be saved form ourselves. Things are going to get ugly.

  31. …a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president…

    Thanks for starting your article by presenting your opinion as fact. Saves me the time of reading the rest of whatever narrative building exercise you’re participating in.

  32. “After watching last week’s otherworldly events—a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president…”

    Yeah, that’s otherworldly all right, since it didn’t happen on this world.

    1. I don’t know how people can write this shit with a straight face. A few dozen dipshit LARPers took an unsanctioned tour of the building. “Siezure” is absurd characterization.

      1. The only seizure there would have been if one of them was an epileptic.

  33. He was a bad, bad man.

  34. The Capitol is under attack for few hours and quickly repelled = Danger to Democracy
    City of Portland under siege for two months, hundreds of businesses attacked = Righteous expression of legitimate Rage.

    Trump is a scumbag, but everyone knew this and still chose him over Hillary who probably would have been even worse.

    Who’s a bigger threat? A known authoritarian jackass who’s despised by academia, the media and Hollywood? Or BLM, Antifa and Ocasio-Cortez who are adored by the same cultural forces?

    Opposing an authoritarian scumbag is good, but be careful that your allies in the fight aren’t planning something far worse.

    1. Hell, they seceded from the United States and no one cares.

    2. They aren’t planning something worse.

      You need to get a better news source. If you’re in the middle of a pandemic and insurrection, and someone is screeching at you about stuff black people did a year ago, you’re being manipulated.

      1. “…They aren’t planning something worse…”

        Tin-foil hats, blue-light special, aisle 6.

    3. The fact that they attacked the capitol at the moment they were counting the EC ballots is the difference.

      1. What was the effect? Were the ballots ignored? Did it change the count? The effect was nil.

        Compare that to the number of businesses destroyed, the number of people whose lives will never be the same. If you think that a few senators feeling fear for a few hours compares to the effects on the people of Portland, then I suggest you reconsider.

        1. The purpose of the Capitol rioters was to thwart a core principle of our democracy — the peaceful transfer of power following an election.

          1. It’s not their purpose, it’s what effect they had. If I said that the effect on constitutional government was minimal, I would be vastly overestimating it.

            We need a little perspective here.

            1. Last summer there was a lot of speculation about why federal marshals went to Portland. It felt like a dry run for something and so does this. The exact proportions of hubris and incompetence aren’t necessary; both are present enough and it makes federal power a sitting duck for a takeover. I don’t think any of them expected to get as far as they got.
              Including Trump. It feels like they almost blew the wad too soon. He’s pushed every limit he could find; the count was not interrupted this time, no legislators were kidnapped this time, but if the crowd had been more serious it would have been an epic disaster. Now they know where weaknesses are and they know it takes time to fix, time which the Capitol Police don’t have.
              They need to televise the inauguration from an undisclosed location. Not sure who will die that day but I think there’s strong odds someone will. Sometimes the pressure from the left, sometimes from the right, with authoritarian rule the goal. If we go, Europe won’t hold out more than a few decades without tanks rolling. Again it feels like a long game against a very patient adversary.

              1. The Capitol rioters lacked any organizational skills. Their primary tool was Facebook (although Zuckerberg seems unconcerned especially since his competitor was blamed and shutdown). They came with woefully inadequate weaponry, took selfies of their actions that they posted online and were led in the wrong direction by a very gutsy cop. They clearly had no idea of what they were doing. This is the Keystone cops level of action.

                Antifa apparently used Signal, an encrypted messaging system, and took great pains to remain unidentified. No selfies, no online photos, no phone use at the riot locations that might give away their identities. That requires pretty decent planning.

                Combine this with a certain reluctance of some mayors to take action against them and I believe that Antifa and BLM represent a much more serious threat to liberty. They are the Sturm-Abteilung (or Red Guard if you prefer) of the progressive movement.

          2. looks like a “mostly peaceful” transfer of power to me. Fuck off, jeff

  35. Thank you for sending me the information about itI learned a lot from it I appreciate the detail! you went into it I am grateful for the amount of time and effort you put into this helping us. Your insights and summary are beneficial.

  36. a violent seizure of the U.S. Capitol by pro-Trump mobs who were incited by the president

    Literally the first sentence of this article is a lie. That is not what happened. No matter how many times CNN says it, it doesn’t make it true that Trump incited a mob to ransack the capitol building.

    1. A coincidence then?

      1. I read every word of his address to the crowd. Did you?

        1. Yup

          Listened to and read the whole thing.

          This began before all of that. One thing Donald Trump excels at is messaging. He got it out. This is what happened.

          The buck stops there. It is called leadership. It comes when you have integrity and take responsibility. I do not see that here.

          Perhaps you do. This was an awesome job from the president. It really doesn’t matter matter much now. The Republican Party I grew up with and respected is destroyed.

          1. “…This began before all of that. One thing Donald Trump excels at is messaging. He got it out. This is what happened.
            The buck stops there. It is called leadership. It comes when you have integrity and take responsibility…”

            IOWs, you have absolutely nothing but are grasping at straws. Stuff your TDS up your ass so your head has some company.

  37. We’ve watched several months of Democrat supported and encouraged riots, but one day of violence from Republicans is suddenly beyond the pale?

    1. They didn’t feel threatened by those riots.

    2. Democrats supported no riots, nor did they try to overturn the election.

      I’m not saying they’re perfect, I’m just saying they didn’t make war on the United States.

      You’re willing to contribute to the defense fund of the 300 people and counting who are in custody.

      1. “They’re not going to stop. And they SHOULD not stop” – Kamala Harris 2020

        1. If you’re going to get so hysterical over black people protesting, you can’t turn around and whine when someone reacts to white people trying to assassinate Congress.

          1. Your back pain must require the very best in pain meds given all the damage done from moving those goalposts.


            Tony
            January.15.2021 at 2:14 pm

            Democrats supported no riots…

            Answered by:


            I, Woodchipper
            January.15.2021 at 2:28 pm

            “They’re not going to stop. And they SHOULD not stop” – Kamala Harris 2020

            Followed by you playing the race card.

            You retard POS.

  38. Trump was almost America’s Idi Amin.

    Only that Trump is dumber and crazier than an Ugandan cannibal saved us.

    “It can be hard to see what’s in front of you, especially when you’re struggling not to see it.”

    Our last two presidents have been African presidents, not American – one Kenyan by blood and the next Ugandan by brain. Their values are African tribal and spiritual ones not American individual and creedal ones; and they, sadly, found for and fooled many followers into those old and foreign values.

    1. “…Trump was almost America’s Idi Amin…”

      For those who deny TDS, I give you one of the worst cases of a TDS-addled shit.

  39. Wait, is this reason.com or cnn.com? I can’t tell the difference!

  40. “Republicans Can No Longer Deny the Reality of Donald Trump”

    As soon as I saw the headline, I thought, “Boy, will the comments prove this one wrong!” And I wasn’t disappointed.

    1. And I was certain EDS-addled shits would pile in, and I wasn’t disappointed.

      1. “TDS-addled”

  41. The people elected him. It’s not surprising that a politician would go from criticizing a candidate for office to supporting him or her after they are elected.
    And until he did something wrong why should they feel bad about their choice? I didn’t vote for him, but I’ve defended him against some of the insane hysteria (Sharpiegate anyone?) that’s been directed against him.
    That said, Trump committed the first ‘impeachable’ offense with the Ukrainian call (IMO) and I didn’t try to defend him on it.

    1. “…the Ukrainian call…”

      Heaven forbid the head of the executive branch should investigate the shady dealings of a former sitting VP!

  42. Trump certainly was not perfect, but you will find he is still light years better then Biden and the Democrats. I wonder when Reason will figure that out? When the government censors Reason for what AOC sees as fake news? Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it.

    1. Trump certainly was not perfect, but you will find he is still light years better then Biden and the Democrats.

      You wanna bet whether when the Democrats lose the next presidential election–in 2024, 2028…or 2044, if the Republicans behave as they are currently–they will be worse than Trump and the Republicans in 2020-2021?

      1. I’ll bet that no matter the outcome, you’ll still have an IQ lower than a marathon runner’s resting heart rate.

  43. The same pattern has always stayed with trump.

    Trump Casinos
    Trump Steaks
    Trump Vodka
    Trump Water
    Trump University
    Trump Charity

    He has the capital or name recognition to get something started. Rubes buy into it. The scam goes on long enough for trump to make a couple bucks before it goes down in flames and everyone sees it as a sham. Then it becomes transparent how poorly it was all managed, with 100% of the intention of getting money from said rubes or more name recognition.

    Trump presidency will be no exception, and seems to be right on track with all of his other ventures. He now likely just stained his family name beyond repair (and the GOP to boot).

    Also telling how just about everyone in his orbit that gets close, has to dirty themselves to stay close and remain in his good graces, always eventually gets burned by him and left so much worse off for their efforts.

    We told you that blindly following this clown was going to put enough of the adults in the room off and make them vote dem. Now you just solidified it probably for years to come. House probably gets more blue in 2022 and senate could get even worse.

    And you could have changed things. But you rubes insisted on screaming in all of our faces “THE EMPEROR HAS CLOTHES ON!! SEE!! IF YOU DONT SEE HIS CLOTHES YOU ARE A TRAITOR COMMIE LEFTY!!” and we are so tired of you screaming that while we see his fat ass tromping around naked, that the country decided to put you children in timeout until your tantrum is over. Or until you grow the fuck up.

    Either way, enjoy the dems you might as well have voted in yourselves. You earned them!

    1. You people just dont get it. Trump is just a face to the movement to shrink the corrupt and bloated government that feeds of the taxpayer.

      Civil war 2.0 has been declared against the middle class americans and they are fighting back. Democrats wont win just like they lost civil war 1.0

      1. Democrats have the presidency, both houses of congress, will pack the supreme court, and have the press, tech tyrants and the educational system to boot.

        I don’t expect a full civil war or holocaust.

        But we’re not winning.

    2. And your proof of this beyond you saying so is what exactly?

  44. Why is this headline? What’s the point of the article? Did you do any “research” or fact-finding for this? Seemingly not.

    An accurate statement would be fraud was identified, but not at scale. The courts did not select to further investigate it, which could reasonably be seen as problematic. Nonetheless, it’s not likely to have altered the election.

    Why aren’t you focusing on investigating the incoming administration and Congress? We’re observing unprecedented free speech and commerce challenges. China is rising in authoritarian ways. What is Reason doing about these things? What can you constructively inform us about?

    You’re a 0, Eric. A zero. You should be fired, go join the NYT and be a nothing.

    1. Too many of Reason’s writers are in NYC or LA. The anti-Trump stench of these cities’ liberal establishments conceals the stink of Biden-Harris-AOC. No one at Reason seems to see Portland, Kenosha and Wash DC as problems comparable to Trump.

      Trump is finished. There may be acolytes pretending that the emperor still has clothes, but his recent psychological ecdysiasm has secured political oblivion for him.

      People have seen the “real” Trump. The question is will they ever be allowed to see the real Biden? If Reason won’t do it, who will? Twitter? Facebook? CNN?

      1. The real trump is exposing the commies in america. The commies outed themselves and thank god. They are the censurers , the kungflu hysterics who advocate lockdowns, the masks mandaters, the tyrants who hate freedom.

        Now that the commies openly declared civil war 2.0 on americans, they will lose like the democrats lost civil war 1.0

  45. Trump is nothing but a chump in my book. He says whatever he wants to say if he thinks it would make his chances better for keeping the presidency. He does it all the time. And he does it saying he is taking care of you when he’s really just using you. He’s full of shit. We have no more freedoms today than we had four years ago. We have no more money than we had 4 years ago, we have nothing more than we had 4 years ago. Although there was one time I’ve had more freedom. That was right after covid hit and the lockdown started. I drive a lot and the freeways and roads were empty. It sure felt like freedom to fly down the highway at 100 + miles per hour with no idiots on the road. Now that’s freedom. Although Trump had nothing to do with that. In fact he thought the lockdowns were an infringement on our freedoms. But I dunno about that. I was more free than I was in a long time. 😀

    Oh and let’s not forget how many of his protesters were chanting “Hang Pence”. What kind of man provokes his base to chant something like that about his own vice president? A coward, that’s who.

    I remember a while back he made that stupid meme. “In reality they’re not after me, they’re after you. I’m just in the way.” Remember that? What he really meant was. “In Reality, they’re not after you, they’re after me. Your just in the way.” After he totally used you all last week and maybe next week when Biden is sworn in. That’s what he does. He uses people to his advantage. Now you gotta deal with that.

    1. Poor commies. Trump really exposed you and the communist movement in america.

      Americans thought communism was dead but its alive in aemrica and is still sekking to destroy america.

      1. Ummmm, no. There are no commies here. But there are many cult followers like you here. Good luck in 2024. I’m sure it will be comical.

    2. Do you and your spouse have the same grandma?
      What is your motive for revealing to an uncaring audience your driving habits? Public safety is not your concern is it, yet you are pointing out that in ‘your book’ Trump doesn’t care about anyone, which is right after you say don’t care about anyone. And then you give us an economics lesson, a lesson about “freedom” or not (you are unsure about that from what you wrote).
      Did you read the article? Did you write it? It is kind of your style especially when after 4 years of your democrats spewing allegations Trump alleges something and the author actually writes it was “baseless allegations”. I call that “irony”. Do you know what “irony” is.

      1. No no no. I didn’t say that trump cares about no one. I said he cares a lot. A lot about himself. He cares nothing about you and your so called freedoms. Just look at what he did a little over a week ago. And now he got his good buddy Rudy Giuliani to come out and say it was Antifa who started the break in to the capitol.

        The funny part about all of this is that you and others like you believe this stuff. You all don’t even see that he is using you for his own gain. Your just a dancing monkey for him. Even Giuliani is a dancing monkey now. He put his reputation on the line for Trump and now he is seen as little more that a fool. Now, where’s my damn music box. 😀

        Oh and by the way. Trump did really really great in the election. He won bigly. 😉

    3. Trump is nothing but a chump in my book.

      So says the anonymous internet poster with no credits to their name like the US Presidency.

      1. Well look. The good news is that Trump is out. All of his crazy lies and conspiracy theories did nothing for him.

        And who are you? Just another random posting like the rest of us. No important position for you, so. And don’t forget, Trump lost bigly

  46. Demagogic article complaining Trump is demagogic.

    Lots of people who supported him believed his rhetoric was vulgar, over the top, and reckless at times, but saw the same thing in his opponents. For example, politicians like Obama and Biden claiming black people were being “hunted down by police” and they “can’t even go outside without worrying about being shot by a cop,” who by their own standards, would be responsible for a lot of the violence that went on at the BLM protests.

    Part of Biden’s demagoguery was also trying to portray Trump as a wannabe dictator who was going to overthrow democracy, an idea that the author of this editorial seems to buy into when referring to the event at the Capitol as a genuine “putsch” and then at the end of the article claims the President incited that “putsch” by arguing to “show strength.”

    There are also obviously other threads of demagoguery in the opposition, like claiming Trump is responsible for 400,000 people dying, and that if he only wore a mask, zero people would have died.

    Anti-Trump Republicans and libertarians, too, have been no better in restraining their impulse to be demagogues. They claimed Trump was going to have us in 10 world wars right now and portrayed Trump equally as a threat to democracy. Never mind the libertarians who have casually engaged in the same extreme, dishonest BLM rhetoric that the far-left does.

    So, what it comes down to for a lot of people is this… if this were a rational world, everyone would sit down at a table and agree that all politicians use extreme rhetoric at times, this is a problem, because we’re a very divided nation, it can inflame tension and cause violence. Trump is responsible, so are the Bidens of the world, so are the Romneys. Instead, people just want to scapegoat Trump and avoid their own personal responsibility.

  47. The reality of Donald Trump is that he exposed the fact that the swamp creatures will not allow the swamp to be drained.

  48. “It can be hard to see what’s in front of you”

    Sure, like how utterly corrupt it is in Washington DC. The dishonesty, fecklessness, duplicity, and the totalitarian bent that is the beltway establishment. The two party system (that has become the uniparty), the bureaucracy, the lobbyists, the corporations, the media all working to their own benefit and to the detriment of the rest of the country. They are finally in the position of crushing the only things standing in their way, the little people and the Constitution. Pack the courts, make states out of Washington DC, and Puerto Rico, attack the First, Second, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, and any dreams of freedom, liberty, and independence. Yeah, it can be hard to see what’s in front of you.

  49. Oh, they can and they will. Most of them are ignorant sheep, and the rest are lying grifters.

    They’ll keep up the lies for a long, long time.

    Which is why Biden needs to not listen to the idiots in his own party babbling about looking ahead and pushing their agenda. He needs to drag all the fetid Trump corruption out into the sunlight.

    1. Lefties are idiots all right. Its why we call them useful idiots.

      Thanks to lefties, we know who the commies are in the USA. Most of the staff at unreason are commies.

  50. The reality of Trump is he’s on his way out of office and the less attention we pay to him the better for all of us.

    1. Trump is the best president in us history.

      No other president had to endure so many traitors working inside the usa to destroy america.

  51. Reason ignores the standing President’s military school background.

    Obviously President Trump was being serious and taking a position of leadership. Every other President gets to be babied over developing their own shade of history, but not President Trump?

    Yes, the mob escaped from whatever leash it may had been wearing, and I think the charges began mounting when alleged orders were given but ignored. And there were casualties — fatalities.

    Who knew that this poor rally of people had no civics training and should not had been led by the President of all people to attend a Congressional meeting? Shouldn’t any keen leader at least be certain that a qualified, “responsible adult” accompanies the group?

    Hey, if the President tells you to go in there and “do the right thing,” then you have the ONE concert ticket you need to enter Congress, right?

    Not at all. So they evidently did not obey a request by the guards or Congressional police authority and as such went in “disorderly. ” And how did the Kavenaugh protesters go in previously during the judge-to-be vetting?

    Clearly no one seems to comprehend that Reason has been flunking the President lately from pursuing a second term in 2024, which were fine since that leaves room for another prime Libertàrian prospect. Nonetheless, the President did not lead the mob to crash the barricades. Nevertheless, I think the omission has been nailed!

    1. After Trump told the mob to “be wild”, everyone knew that violent extremists were all over social media planning to storm the Capitol. Yet Trump told them to go there and fight, lied about planning to accompany them, and did not counter Rudy who told them to engage in “trial by combat”. Anyone who had access to the intelligence about these people and saw Trump’s speech knew that it would be violent.

      1. lol – you should write comedic fiction stories because that is hilarious.

  52. Poor commies at unreason.

    Trump is the best president in us history thanks to lefties.

    Lefties hate him so much so trump is clearing doing something right.

  53. Trump is a Democrat who was sent as a mole to destroy the Republican party. He is a longtime friend of the Clinton’s and big donor to the Clinton Foundation. The duopoly is destroyed and now we have a monopoly.

  54. Only four short days left until you Block Yomommatards have to check yourselves into Trumpaholics Anonymous!

  55. To those who whine about Biden, I have one thing to say. At least Biden won’t incite violence if he loses in 2024.

    1. He probably won’t even live to see 2024.

    2. Biden has incited violence many times in his speeches.

      Joe Biden Threatens Normal Americans with More Violence
      thenewantifederalist – by Defender Of Liberty | Sep 2, 2020
      Joe Biden Threatens Normal Americans with More Violence

      Trump Threatens Biden During Unhinged Afternoon Speech
      bipartisanreport – By Caleb Newton – January 12, 2021

    3. Neither did Trump, but that doesn’t stop you from lying about it.

  56. Just got a BBC flash on this one.

    Talented but flawed producer Phil Spector dies aged 81
    .www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55697979

    [Died in prison. Good.] TAP ON HERE USA JOB INFO

  57. Except in places like LA where the incoming DA has decided to end cash bail in many circumstances, completely ignoring the rule of law and the recent vote…… TAP ON HERE USA JOB INFO

  58. Some few Republicans are not now, nor ever have denied the reality of Donald Trump. Too few, but some.

    “Don’t coddle this sedition. Endure short-term agony for the sake of a brighter, calmer future. Teach the whole country a lesson: We are a nation of laws, and you don’t get to overturn an election and intimidate our lawmakers with violence.” ~ Jay Nordlinger

  59. ishtweasel nazis unite
    red hats dotting an ocean of white

    the mayo insurrection they’ll call it
    or the great white hate

    or this is the start of darker days and the 6th will be the day democracydied.

    it’s up to you and I to decide… WELCOME TO MY JOB

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