Coronavirus

The Biden Administration Will Release All Available COVID-19 Vaccine Doses Immediately

He will count on future production to provide second doses.

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The U.S. is lagging woefully in its administration of COVID-19 vaccines as the pandemic worsens. At the current national rate of about 500,000 vaccinations per day, it would take 420 days to inject just the first of two vaccine doses into the shoulders of the nation's 210 million adults. The incoming Biden administration pledged to deliver 100 million doses in its first hundred days. But that's still way too slow because the new, more transmissible COVID-19 virus variant will greatly boost the number of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths if it is left unchecked.

Currently, the Trump administration is holding back about half of the current stock of 40 million vaccine doses to deliver as second doses for those who have already received the first inoculation. Vaccine makers Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna are committed to producing 160 million doses over the next three months. Given those future supplies, American Enterprise Institute health care scholar James C. Capretta calculates that even if the pace of vaccinations jumps to 1 million per day, there would still be an excess of 86 million unused doses by the end of March. That is clearly unacceptable.

In the face of these considerations, the Biden team has decided to release all available doses for injection now. "The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans' arms now," said TJ Ducklo, a spokesman for Biden's transition. Instead of waiting nearly two more weeks for the new team to implement this plan, Trump administration officials should immediately adopt this policy rather than clinging to their inflexible plan as the pandemic grows worse.

Former Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Commissioner Scott Gottlieb points out in The Wall Street Journal that vaccine production is speedily ramping up, so more of the current stock of 40 million doses should be used to inoculate people immediately since second doses would come from those new supplies. Gottlieb also argues that if stockpiles continue to build that the complicated vaccination program rules should be loosened and vaccinations should be offered to the general public based on age, which could be lowered from 75 to 65 if supplies allow.

"A vaccine that's sitting on a shelf for weeks, waiting for its perfect recipient, doesn't help snuff out the pandemic," notes Gottlieb. The good news is that the incoming Biden administration apparently recognizes this fact.

 

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    3. By the time 10% of Americans receive a covid vaccine, herd immunity will have already protected the public from covid in thousands of communities, hundreds of counties and a dozen states.

      Many studies (including by CDC and TX Dept of Health) have found/estimated that 3 – 10 times more Americans have been infected with covid than have tested positive. And herd immunity usually occurs when two thirds of people have been infected and/or vaccinated).

      Below are the US counties with the highest rates of positively tested covid cases, which appear to be within days or weeks of achieving herd immunity, long before vaccines will have an impact. (Data as of 1/7/2021)
      Crowley, CO – 28.5%
      Dewey, SD – 22.3%
      Norton, KS – 21.8%
      Lincoln, AR – 21.5%
      Bon Homme, SD – 21.3%
      Chattahoochee, GA – 20.9%
      Bent, CO – 20.3%
      Buffalo, SD – 20.3%
      Trousdale, TN – 20.2%
      Lake, TN – 20.1%
      Buena Vista, IA – 19.3%
      Eddy, ND – 18.0%
      Ellsworth, KS – 17.6%
      Dakota, NE – 17.6%
      Jackson, AR – 17.3%
      Childress, TX – 17.3%
      Alfalfa, OK – 16.8%
      Lee, AR – 16.6%
      Foster, ND – 16.6%
      Lafayette, FL – 16.6%
      Seward, KS – 16.4%
      Nobles, MN – 16.3%
      Menominee, WI – 16.0%
      Hale, TX – 16.0%
      Big Horn, MT – 15.9%
      Lassen, CA – 15.9%
      Pawnee, KS – 15.7%
      Logan, CO – 15.6%
      Sheridan, KS – 15.6%
      Ford, KS – 15.5%
      Walsh, ND – 15.5%
      Wayne, TN – 15.3%
      Lee, KY – 15.3%
      Stutsman, ND – 15.2%
      Morton, ND – 15.1%
      Aurora, SD – 14.9%
      Nelson, ND – 14.7%
      Crocket, TX – 14.7%
      Texas, OK – 14.7%
      Potter, SD – 14.5%
      Burleigh, ND – 14.5%
      Benson, ND – 14.4%
      Dickey, ND – 14.3%
      Lyman, SD – 14.2%
      Sioux, ND – 14.2%
      Lubbock, TX – 14.2%
      McKinley, NM – 14.2%
      East Carroll, LA – 14.2%
      Lincoln, CO – 14.0%
      Toole, MT – 14.0%
      Yuma, AZ – 14.0%
      Davison, SD – 13.9%
      Chicot, AR – 13.9%
      Griggs, ND – 13.8%
      Rolette, ND – 13.8%
      Oglala Lakota, SD – 13.7%
      Plymouth, IA – 13.7%
      Faulk, SD – 13.6%
      Finney, KS – 13.5%
      Colfax, NE – 13.5%
      Nemaha, KS – 13.4%
      Beadle, SD – 13.4%
      Stark, ND – 13.3%
      Grand Forks, ND – 13.2%
      Madison, ID – 13.2%
      Douglas, SD – 13.2%
      Haywood, TN – 13.2%
      Lamb, TX – 13.2%
      Ramsey, ND – 13.1%
      Kearny, KS – 13.0%
      Potter, TX – 13.0%
      Crawford, IA – 12.9%

      1. States with the highest covid case rate (i.e. people testing positive) are
        https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/01/816707182/map-tracking-the-spread-of-the-coronavirus-in-the-u-s#curves

        ND – 12.4%
        SD – 11.5%
        IA – 9.3%
        TN – 9.3%
        UT – 9.3%
        WI – 9.3%
        RI – 9.1%
        NE – 9.0%
        ID – 8.2%
        KS – 8.2%
        IN – 8.1%
        AR – 8.1%
        IL – 8.0%
        OK – 8.0%
        WY – 8.0%
        AZ – 8.0%
        MT – 7.9%
        AL – 7.9%
        NV – 7.8%

        So far, 6.75% of Americans have tested positive for covid.

        1. The reason why herd immunity typically occurs when/after two thirds of people have been infected and/or vaccinated is because whenever three or fewer people are in the same room (which is most common for most people), the likelihood of transmitting the virus is very low (since two thirds have already been infected or vaccinated).

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  2. Could go either way on which is the better idea, but Orange Man Bad so holding back is fascism.

    1. No doubt at all. Using all as soon as available is the only intelligent process. The second dose isn’t used until two or four weeks later, depending on which vaccination. No point at all in holding back half all that time, especially when holding them back involves that expensive cold storage. Why double the storage requirements?

      1. The second dose really isn’t needed anyway. Diminishing returns from what I can tell.

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    2. Where in the article is there any sense of “orange man bad”?

      This has been an ongoing question about what is the best way to proceed. It’s true that the current administration had been holding back doses. At the time that seemed to be a good idea. It’s also true that the US is lagging.

      But now, new thinking is coming about this, so it’s time for a change. The incoming admission is going to make that change.

      Isn’t it ok to talk about that stuff without triggering your Trump auto-defense mechanism?

      1. Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

        We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!

        See The Atlantic article by using the below search-string in quotes:
        “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…

        https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/

        He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!

        All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

        Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

        Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!

        We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!

        These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!

      2. If you say something positive about Biden then you hate Trump, and if you say something negative of Trump then you love Biden.

        There’s no such thing as a principled libertarian. Either you love Trump or you’re a communist. That’s it. It’s so much easier than thinking and responding to what people actually say.

      3. Lots of the new “thinking” is the emerging adverse reaction rate is higher than the published rates combined with the knowledge that the reactions get worse the second time around.

      4. “Where in the article is there any sense of “orange man bad”?”

        Kidding or stupid.
        The headline has Biden ‘releasing’ all the vaccine, as if Trump has been hiding it under his bed.
        Seek treatment; your case may not be terminal.

  3. So… I’m doubting that Trump himself ordered these vaccines ‘held back’… I’m sure it was some consortium of officials at the FDA. Why did the FDA make the decision to hold back the vaccine? I’m sure it was all based on some kind of “science”.

    1. There is bro science and there is blu science, also called lib science. Blu science typically states that all evil will melt in the bright light of virtue signalling. Like wearing an ineffictive piece of cloth on your face.

      1. Are you suggesting a single layer of cheesecloth is NOT the same a a double layer of turkish toweling?

    2. No Trump is president. He makes all the decisions in the executive branch. His worst one was sending Chi-Na all that money earmarked for gain of function research on the ‘rona.

    3. Yes the studies were based on administration of two doses. In scare quotes or not, that is – yes – called science.

      There are some valid and some invalid ways of trying to figure out what those study results might have looked like if the study had been different and had only used one dose. But that is always risky. It is not actually scientific. And when the entire topic has been 100% politicized – personally – by the Prez who then has – personally – made sure bearers of bad news are harmed. Well it is no surprise that no one took those chances

      1. “…And when the entire topic has been 100% politicized – personally – by the Prez who then has – personally – made sure bearers of bad news are harmed…”

        JFree, tell us once again how saying the magic words will end the CA wild fires; perhaps someone might believe your further bullshit.
        Stuff your PANIC flag up your ass, stick first, then fuck off and die, you cowardly peice of lefty shit.

  4. I think this is the right call.

    It’s a tough decision, though. The second does is key to getting fully immunized and it requires a pretty set timeframe for best maximization of the benefits. So, giving out second doses as first doses will risk upsetting maximum vaccine efficacy.

    However, the countervailing argument of getting as many vaccinated as soon as possible adds the faster herd immunity situation, which I think has a good chance of outweighing the risk of failing to maximize the benefits with administration of that second dose possibly being impacted.

    1. The second dose is not “key to getting fully immunized”; it’s just the second layer. If the first dose is 80% effective (20% ineffective), two doses are 96% effective (4% ineffective), or something like that. It’s not one does sits in wait and is 0% effective until the second dose activates it. The two doses are identical.

      The time frames are just best guesses. One vaccine a two week interval, the other four weeks. Both probably work fine either way.

      1. I didn’t claim it was 0% effective until you get the other dose. Actually, my comment specifically says the opposite.

        So, well done on a moronic strawman position. But, I guess when the commenter doesn’t give you something you can refute, make something up.

        And no, the timings are based on immunological responses in the body in order to best generate the most effective immunity to the disease.

        Good lord, next time read better and learn the subject better before commenting.

        1. You just need to keep a rolling stock so you can give the second dose after the 30 days or whatever. The problem now is that we are not even giving the first dose fast enough. There is plenty of vaccine and more coming to have an effective program but the government is mucking it up as always.

          I brought up that hospital in California. Their freezer went out and they only had 2 hours to use up their stock. They gave over 500 doses in two hours. They will get more and told people when to come back. This is not rocket science.

          1. No, it’s not rocket science. Did you use that reference in regards to what I said?

            1. No
              Can I just add my thoughts to something ?

              1. Yes, can I ask a question clarifying your comment?

          2. “…This is not rocket science…”

            If you’re dealing with the likes of Cuomo and Newsom who view the distribution as a method to establish ‘woke’ cred and buy votes, it might as well be.

      2. I agree – off the top of my head it sounds like it would be better to have 2X the number of people with only 80% immunity than to have 1X people with 95% immunity.

      3. Do you happen to know if the 1 dose case was included in the trial and what the measured effectiveness was for that case?

    2. Wrong the second dose is not key. It is reported to be an incremental improvement. 80% is good enough if 150 million people get it in the winter. Combine that with the estimated 100 million or so folks who have already been exposed, then you are in the ball park for herd immunity.

      1. Jesus Christ! You people are fucking morons.

        Yes, it is key to MAXIMIZING the vaccine. First dose gets you in the 80% range, second dose gets you in the 95% range. That is literally maximizing the vaccine.

        1. You need to look at the tradeoffs. If we had an infinite supply of vaccines then obviously everyone should get 2 doses. Since we don’t have an infinite supply of vaccines then would it be better to have:
          1. X people get 2 doses and 95% immunity
          OR
          2. 2X people get 1 dose and 80% immunity
          I don’t think it’s a very obvious decision but just based on simple math then:
          Case 1: 0.95X people are immune
          Case 2: 1.6X people are immune
          So just using back-of-the envelope calculations it sounds like case 2 (getting 1 dose to as many people as possible) would be the better choice to more quickly reach herd immunity and minimize death count.

          1. That’s exactly why my initial comment looked at the tradeoffs and explains that I agree with getting everyone at least the first shot as soon as possible.

            I swear, do people just read into comments what they want to see than what is there?

            1. I agree with your original post in this thread in which you have a rationale list of the pros / cons of 1-dose vs. 2-dose and come up with the conclusion that the proposed 1-dose strategy is probably the right decision for now. It was a bit difficult to parse your reasonable arguments from your tendency to call anyone with the slightest misunderstanding or disagreement about your terminology a “fucking moron” but I appreciate your insight nonetheless.

              1. I apologize, but when people write things telling me I am wrong and then state exactly what I said back to me, it’s fucking frustrating.

          2. Except we don’t know how long the immunity lasts after one dose. This was not an endpoint in any trial. So if it wanes rapidly after one dose, which is likely based on what we know about other vaccines, you could have twice as many people with no immunity. I favor staying with the original plan as recommended by the FDA.

        2. To me maximizing the vaccine means getting back to normal as soon as possible, and minimizing the deaths and other health complications from COVID.

          The actual effectiveness rate of the vaccine dose is not the most important goal.

          1. No, to maximize the effectiveness of a vaccine for a person is to get two doses in that person and have as strong an immunity as possible for that person. That’s what I was talking about. Moronic semantic and context games that overlook the point are unnecessary and bizarrely irrelevant.

            1. I think the goals of the vaccine strategy should be to reach herd immunity as quickly as possible and to minimize the total hardship and deaths from COVID-19. Do you disagree with those goals?

              The efficacy rate of the vaccinations is the number which is ultimately irrelevant.

              1. Good lord, of course I agree with them. That’s why I said I agree with this approach. WTH?!

          2. “…The actual effectiveness rate of the vaccine dose is not the most important goal…”

            This has long passed from being a purely medical issue, and of all the politicos weighing in, the guy who’s leaving the oval office in a couple of weeks has probably done the best in dealing with it.
            Biden’s staff (Biden’s prolly the talking head for the staff work by now) is trying like hell to find what Trump did wrong and brag about it; so far: Nothing.
            What we need now is to reduce the probably HIGHER collateral damage.
            Fauci needs to be offered a seat over in the corner.

  5. “In the face of these considerations, the Biden team has decided to release all available doses for injection now.”

    Shouldn’t that be on January 20?

    1. Should be the Pence team releasing it now in preparation for the Biden transition on Jan 20. IMHO

      1. “Pence team”?
        Do you have any evidence at all that Trump was impeding distribution, or just a case of TDS?

    2. It is a strange sentence. The Biden team has no legal authority to make decisions now.

    3. Except we don’t know how long the immunity lasts after one dose. This was not an endpoint in any trial. So if it wanes rapidly after one dose, which is likely based on what we know about other vaccines, you could have twice as many people with no immunity. I favor staying with the original plan as recommended by the FDA.

  6. Well Biden did promise during the campaign to #ShutDownTheVirus. I’ll wear my mask for the first 100 days like he requested, but after that I bet it will no longer be necessary.

    1. Yep. They will reduce the cycles on the tests, they will stop testing healthy people, and they will start counting “of covid” instead of “with covid”

      If we did that, the crisis would evaporate tomorrow. But we gotta wait until Joe can take the credit.

      1. This is true.

        The mortality data in Europe confirms that.

      2. Changing the way you count deaths will not suddenly create open beds in ICUs and hospitals.

        It’s the health-care capacity that’s important, not the statistics. When you run out of beds in hospitals, people with heart attacks, strokes and other non-COVID illnesses start dying un-necessarily.

        1. It will actually free up more beds because the process today is if tested pos with Covid, you cannot go into the part of the ICU that is non covid for fear of infecting the vulnerable. So yes, heart attack, uppp, has a pos Covid, what no Covid beds, have to find another place then.

  7. Will anyone ask if he consulted the experts on this?

  8. Well, it just a President managing a vaccine’s distribution during a pandemic rather than spend all his time whining falsely about how an election was stolen from him.

    By the way Ronald, did you see that 2020 tied 2016 for warmest year yet? And before anyone takes any solace that at least it didn’t surpass 2016, 2016 had an El Niño event, which warmed the temperatures further, while 2020 had a La Niña event which cooled temperatures a bit. So yeah, it’s getting worse.

    I don’t know, maybe it’s time to trot out another Shellenberger or Lomborg reference to tell us how it’s all not a problem.

    1. The earth is spinning faster than ever, also Trump’s fault.
      California has had 2 million doses on hand for over a week and given out about 500,000. The doses arrived at places arranged between the Feds and the state months ago, as were the number of shots. The date depended on FDA approval, but the state was notified about a day in advance even then.
      If the Feds are responsible for administering the shots, who should do it? If you say the VA, then you just have a death wish.

      1. Spinning of the earth? That’s your answer to the earth warming to the extent it has? You must be a libertarian! Have fun tonight!

        Best,
        Jack

    2. By the way Ronald, did you see that 2020 tied 2016 for warmest year yet? And before anyone takes any solace that at least it didn’t surpass 2016, 2016 had an El Niño event, which warmed the temperatures further, while 2020 had a La Niña event which cooled temperatures a bit. So yeah, it’s getting worse.

      By the way Jackoff, did you see that US emissions dropped more 2019-2020 than ever before? Of course, 2020 saw more authoritarian lockdowns, more forced unemployment, more civil unrest, and more disease than any year since this century. So probably a brilliant idea to continue the narrative about how the climate is going to kill us all in 100 yrs.

      1. CO2 measured in Hawaii did not move though.

        1. Of course. For the last two decades, China has been emitting more CO2 than any other single country/region on Earth and their increases have more than offset the US’s reduction and, potentially any reduction the US could hope to attain. For about a decade, ‘China’ and ‘The Rest of the World’ account for more emissions and more of the increase than the US, EU, India, and Russia *combined*.

          1. Ultimately I suspect Russia will be even more resistant to fighting climate change than China. Why would Russia possibly want to fight climate change? Most of Russia is bitterly cold tundra which will benefit greatly from global warming.

      2. And that record drop in emissions came predominantly from less output from autos, which of course was due to a pandemic and all those restrictions you cite. Gee, who knew you like the idea of pandemics and economic restrictions, because they lower carbon emissions! Oh, and none of the reductions so far are enough yet to stave off climate change. And since our emissions per capita are the worst in the world, much worse than China, and because historically we are the worst polluters in the world, we don’t get a pass.

        What an idiot…but of course, you’ve demonstrated that often before. Have a great evening!

        Best,
        Jack

        1. ^Hopeless.

        2. And since our emissions per capita are the worst in the world, much worse than China

          Not even close to true. Qatar, UAE, Kuwait, Australia, Canada… all worse than the US, per capita, for several years. Moreover, you’re using stupid math/morality. Disingenuousness that wouldn’t fool a teenager. What you’re saying is that one 10 mg dose of cyanide is worse than 5, 5 mg doses. Just dumb. Dumb and immoral.

        3. “…And since our emissions per capita are the worst in the world, much worse than China, and because historically we are the worst polluters in the world, we don’t get a pass…”

          Ken S. posited earlier today in one of the other “orange man bad” threads that certain commenters are assumed to be dishonest, but that grants them far too much credit: Dishonesty requires a mind acute enough to recognize and reject fact.
          There are Tony, turd, M4e, jackass and others here who qualify as incapable of that. I propose this be called the “KS Line”; and those under it might be due some sympathy for their condition. It’s not easy getting along in a world full of information and data with a brain simply not equipped to really “think”.
          Regardless, they still need to be called on their idiocy; perhaps one or more might even become capable of critical thought, doubtful though that seems.

    3. “Well, it just a President managing a vaccine’s distribution during a pandemic rather than spend all his time whining falsely about how an election was stolen from him…”

      Yeah, jackass, Trump is personally controlling who gets the stab in the arm!
      Is it possible for you to show more abysmal ignorance than you have? Pretty doubtful.

  9. In the light of an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure, I think we should blow the three gorges dam and wipe out what’s left of Wuhan.

    1. I thought this long article that was linked here was really good. It talks about a lot of stuff I didn’t know was going on in Wuhan. Woo boy is what I say.

      https://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/article/coronavirus-lab-escape-theory.html

  10. Except that you can’t release them all since there is not enough public storage space for them or even facilities for dispersing. they will go to waste but thats ok Biden will order more and waste more and order more and waste more until the end of time.

  11. The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible.

    Will he put Cuomo in charge of deciding which Americans need it most?

    1. The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible.
      I look forward to many years of SleepyJoe wisdom. I bet nobody else thought if this.

  12. “The President-elect believes we must accelerate distribution of the vaccine while continuing to ensure the Americans who need it most get it as soon as possible. He supports releasing available doses immediately, and believes the government should stop holding back vaccine supply so we can get more shots in Americans’ arms now,”

    When did Joe Biden become an epidemiologist? Nobody gives a fuck what he thinks, we’re listening to the scientists and the scientists apparently believe in the two-dose first regimen.

    1. I think the idea is that the stock will be replenished in time to do the normal 2 dose regimen. Otherwise, you have huge numbers of dose sitting in the freezer for 21 days helping no one.

  13. I am happy to see reason promoting a government monopoly on distribution of medicine. Medicare for all is your next project. :/

    1. That is not the problem. The problem is that it is our government doing it.

      1. “That is not the problem. The problem is that it is our government doing it.”

        Woosh!
        Approaching the KS line right there, as you’ve done in the past.

  14. California has had over 2 million doses for about a week and have vaccinated about 500,000 people. It is not the fault of the Feds or even Trump that the doses arrived at prearranged places at a scheduled time and have mostly just sat there.
    If the Feds are responsible for giving the shots, who should do it? The FBI? The Army? The Post Office? No real presence in my end of California for the first two and we just got our Happy Thanksgiving card from the PO.

    1. Anybody can give a shot. We have plenty of people qualified. Part of the plan is to have CVS and Walgreens involved. Pharmacists and assistants are qualified.

      The problem is it chaotic and disorganized. There was no real plan in place. I mentioned Israel below. They have a highly efficient medical system. Information campaigns to the public went out before it even started. Everyone was contacted as to where in line they were and where to go by email. When you are always prepared to be attacked you have systems in place and a population who will come together.

      We are a shithole country on this by comparison.

      1. Anybody can give a shot. We have plenty of people qualified. Part of the plan is to have CVS and Walgreens involved. Pharmacists and assistants are qualified.

        Slow down, spinach chin, no one’s giving a shot until they pass the required diversity and sexual harassment training.

        1. That is just a part of it. The layers of red tape are thicker than that.

        2. You kid, I know, but in the UK retired doctors who were offering to administer the vaccine were told that they would have to wade through a 21-point checklist to qualify as Covid vaccine volunteers, including training in ‘conflict resolution’ and ‘equality and diversity’.

          Allright, I know, Daily Fail and all. But, remember, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.:)

          1. Apparently, some complied but in proper British fashion (the kind of pluck that won at Agincourt and Waterloo) many said “stuff it”.

      2. Anybody can give a shot. We have plenty of people qualified. Part of the plan is to have CVS and Walgreens involved. Pharmacists and assistants are qualified.

        I would argue that anyone over the age of 12 is capable. There are hundreds of thousands of junkies that can find a vein stoned out of their gordes and that’s way harder than what it takes to deliver this vaccine. Between birth control, cholesterol, diabetes, and allergies, there have to be tens of millions of “qualified” sub-q injectors and that’s before you get into their friends, relatives, and caretakers who know how to do the job.

        Just showing that, once again, this virus is not an existential threat but an exercise in top down stupidity.

  15. *COUGH**COUGH*SUPPLY-CHAIN CZAR SETUP*COUGH**COUGH*

    FFS Liz Wolfe ran an article yesterday about how Cuomo is fining hospitals for failing to use up all their doses in accordance with the FDA/CDC’s logistical idiocy.

    1. I bet if they double the fine, it will work better. That’s the SleepyJoe way!

  16. Unless the states get their act together on vaccinating their citizens, it doesn’t matter how fast the Feds and the manufacturers ship the vaccine, it’ll just sit around waiting for state governments to get their thumb out.

  17. It is basically what Israel is doing and they are by far the world leader in this with 15-20% already vaccinated. They have ordered more and are planning a second dose with everyone over 16 vaccinated by the end of March.

    At the rate we are going this is a total disaster. We had plenty of time to plan for this. The lockdowns, economic hardship, and suffering could go on for a very long time. 70% of the doses we have are still in the freezer.

    Yes it is the fault of our government. A public health crisis like this is like a military attack. It is exactly what you need a limited government for.

    1. US Population 308,401,808 (2010 Census)
      • Estimate 330,052,960 (2020)
      The US area is 9,833,517 km2 (3,796,742.23 sq mi)

      The State of Israel has a population of approximately 9,227,700 inhabitants as of July 2020.
      Israel’s area is approximately 20,770 km2 (8,019 sq mi),

      Any chance at all the logistics are different?

      1. Any chance at all the logistics are different?

        I’ll ask my Israeli co-worker when he gets back from seeing his daughter off to her conscribed military service.

        1. I wish her well. I know three young women I watched grow up who served there. Well, plus Wonder Woman did.

          It is a small country with many dangerous enemies. A conscript army is not at all libertarian. Yet what choice do they have?

          1. I’m not saying they shouldn’t have a standing army or defend themselves. Just agreeing with LTBF that the logistics are *completely* different.

            1. They are but Amazon can get me a package in a few days. Fed ex can get my documents delivered anywhere in 24 hrs. After this happened my grocery chain figured out how get my online order set up to be curbside or delivered in a day or two. I can get a pizza in 30 minutes.

              We are masters in logistics. That is what these companies do and it is amazing.

              The government effort was disorganized and haphazard. They did get orders in to the leading suppliers. That was good. They failed to get the doses where they needed to be. Too much red tape. Too much politics. You are fighting a war here and as the general said it is all about logistics.

              So now they have CVS and Walgreens. Good idea.

      2. Being a small country has its advantages but they are still doing far better that others of similar size.

    2. Perhaps the three hospitals in Israel are just better suited to vaccinate the entire country more quickly and efficiently.

      1. In the end of 2014, there were 85 hospitals in Israel: 44 general hospitals, 12 mental health hospitals, 29 specialized hospitals (geriatric and rehabilitation centers), as well as 278 residential long-term facilities.

      2. You do also know that it does not take a hospital to vaccinate people right?

  18. He should release the bulk to New York. Then Cuomo’s policies will ensure the vaccines end up in the trash.

  19. I’ve seen a number of reports castigating the US vaccine rollout, but they never seem to include a comparison metric – some real world standard by which to judge how the US has done. The data as compiled by the Oxford Martin school (part of Oxford University) suggest the US is doing relatively well on the vaccine rollout compared to other countries. https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

  20. My wife is getting the second dose tonight. My daughter should be getting the second dose in two weeks. Me? I have no idea when I even get the first dose. But I did get $400 round trip tickets to Honolulu ( out of local airport, not Chicago) to visit my son in February. Hopefully, I can get vaccinated by then so I don’t have to take a test to get in and out of Hawaii.

    1. Step aside, teenager, I’m officially old enough to be in the B1 group.

    2. Hopefully you can get your vaccination by then. I think they still have the 10 day lockdown there. I’d like to go too. All of my family is still there except for me and my sister. It would be nice to see them again.

  21. By the time he has the authority to release the remaining dose’s many of those who have already gotten the first dose will have already received the second dose and those who have not will have the dose’s needed for the second one.

    The only thing that concerns me is that talk of some older people not getting even the first shot. I thought they were supposed to be protected first. They need it more than anyone. If there are some elders that don’t want it, that’s fine. And if they want to claim that it’s something other than covid that has put them on life support, that’s fine too. But those who do want it should get it ASAP.

    1. No, it’s teachers and firemen before old folks.

  22. Quite ballsy of Reason to assume all American adults want a vaccine rushed to market using brand new technology for a virus that won’t provide ill effects for most of them much less prove fatal. What news way will Reason worship the state today?

  23. And the Cosmotarian sucking of Biden’s cock commences.

    Don’t worry, though, Reason, I’m sure he’ll keep that promise not to cum in your mouth.

  24. All this will not be interesting to the media soon. the virus will have been slained by “smart woke lvy league NYC liberal art majors” running the Biden admin..the NYT will do one glowing article after another how smart and capable these diverse Biden folks are..

    I’m in NY State…we have been shut down since April..everyone wears masks in public places (inside) and yet with the “science” the “rate” is skyrocketing.why?

    1. Because the virus is winning.

    2. I live in New York State. And you’re an idiot if you think you’ve been locked down since April. You’ve locked yourself down. Masks don’t now or ever equal a lockdown. But then, you’re an idiot.

      1. Explain the rising case rate.

        1. I did that.

          The protective measures only slow down the transmission rate. Also people don’t observe all of them.

          The virus keeps replicating. At a certain point there is so much of it around that you see rising rates even if you do all of that. It doesn’t mean you are doing nothing. It means the virus is winning the race.

          If you get infected it is always a race to see if the virus can reproduce faster than your defenses can make enough clones and antibodies to fight it.

  25. So Biden will ignore the medical experts? Funny how ‘science’ can be followed or ignored depending on the Democrat who is talking at the time.

  26. And no-one finds it baffling that the Union of States government dictates when or when not to man-handle the health market?

    The immunity to dictation is what’s making me sick.

  27. Thanks, Trump!

    1. You’re welcome, TDS-afflicted shit!

  28. Won’t it be something if Biden’s FDA winds up more reasonable than Trump’s?

    1. I wouldn’t hold my breath; but we can always *hope*.

    2. “Won’t it be something if Biden’s FDA winds up more reasonable than Trump’s?”

      Care to tell us about your fantasy regarding “Trump’s FDA”? Or just admit to being under the “KS line”

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  31. That is IF he ever takes office, which is doubtful

    1. Yeah he will take office no doubt, then President Harris in 2023

  32. It’s not a terrible idea.

    Especially when you consider just how many people will likely never get around to getting the second dose.

    Medication compliance being generally bad to begin with.

    The problem with the idea is that a bigger first dose supply does not automatically translate to a wider pipeline for administration.

    1. Was there a point in there? Try again.

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