Donald Trump

Trump Threatens to Sink COVID-19 Relief Bill Unless Congress Cuts Wasteful Spending, Spends More on $2,000 Stimulus Checks

"It truly is a disgrace," said Trump.

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COVID-19 relief might now be in jeopardy following a late-night rant from President Donald Trump, who demanded that Congress cut wasteful spending from its $2.3 trillion spending package while also approving additional spending: $2,000 stimulus checks for all Americans.

"The bill they are now planning to send back to my desk is much different than anticipated," said Trump in his remarks Tuesday evening. "It truly is a disgrace."

The 5,000-page, $2.3 trillion legislative package passed by Congress on Monday included two different bills: a $1.4 trillion omnibus spending bill and the $900 billion dedicated to pandemic relief.

"It's called the COVID relief bill but it has almost nothing to do with COVID," said Trump, referring to the two bills interchangeably.

Of particular concern to the president were a number of admittedly dubious appropriations for foreign aid, scientific research, and federal facilities in the omnibus spending bill.

"This bill contains $85.5 million for assistance to Cambodia, $134 million to Burma, $1.3 billion for Egypt and the Egyptian military, which will go out and buy almost exclusively Russian military equipment," said Trump. "$40 million for the Kennedy Center which is not even open for business. $1 billion for the Smithsonian, and an additional $154 million for the National Gallery of Art. Likewise, these facilities are essentially not open."

In total, Trump explicitly named some $4 billion in spending he considered wasteful.

"Despite all this wasteful spending and much more, the $900 billion package provides hard-working taxpayers with only $600 each in relief payments and not enough money is given to small businesses and in particular restaurants," said Trump, possibly referencing the exclusion of the $120 billion RESTAURANTS Act from the coronavirus relief bill.

The president said Congress should get rid of a two-year sunset clause on a tax deduction for business meals included in the package, increase stimulus checks from $600 to $2,000 per person, and cut some of the aforementioned wasteful spending.

"I'm also asking Congress to immediately get rid of the wasteful and unnecessary items from this legislation, and send me a suitable bill or else the next administration will have to delivery a COVID relief package and maybe that next administration will be me," said Trump, referencing his apparent belief that he might somehow stay in office despite, you know, losing the election.

Trump's support for $2,000 stimulus checks is not new. The Washington Post reports that his advisers talked him out of that demand at the last minute, lest he endanger the entire relief package.

To be sure, the president's broadsides against a spending deal that includes lots of money for "lobbyists, foreign countries, and special interests" is certainly welcome, and, frankly, on target. The president was also right to criticize the rushed legislative process that sent this special interest-laden spending package to his desk.

The trouble is that the conditions Trump outlined for supporting relief legislation would make the bill much worse. Middle-class Americans do not need an additional $2,000 in federal support. A $900 billion relief bill that includes generous, targeted benefits—including expanded unemployment benefits, relief for renters, and boosted food stamp spending—doesn't need more spending on universal programs that will mainly benefit Americans who are currently receiving a paycheck.

The $1,200 stimulus checks included in the CARES Act cost taxpayers roughly $300 billion. Upping stimulus checks to $2,000 from the current $600 amount would tack on roughly $350 billion to the coronavirus relief bill's costs. In exchange, Trump is demanding to cut some $4 billion or so in frivolous spending.

One need not be a deficit hawk to understand that the math doesn't add up.

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  1. The irony is that if they were going to spend this much anyway and had left out all the bullshit, every man, woman, and child in the US could have gotten about $2500 each instead of $600.

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    2. “This bill contains $85.5 million for assistance to Cambodia, $134 million to Burma, $1.3 billion for Egypt and the Egyptian military, which will go out and buy almost exclusively Russian military equipment,” said Trump. “$40 million for the Kennedy Center which is not even open for business. $1 billion for the Smithsonian, and an additional $154 million for the National Gallery of Art. Likewise, these facilities are essentially not open.”

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    3. yeah, but that’s not “targeted” to those who need it….

    4. Whatever you think of Trump, when he’s right, he’s right. This isn’t a relief bill, it’s a pile of power-grabs trying to fly under the radar as a relief bill.

      -jcr

      1. That describes everything the Democrats and neocons try to pass. Just throw in some table scraps for the plebeians so we can call it a “relief” bill instead of what it really is.

        1. In fairness, it’s also what the Republicans try to pass whenever they have a majority in the house. The list of politicians who actually understand economics and have even a smidgen of fiscal discipline is so short that you probably don’t need to take your shoes off to count them.

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      2. In some sense, but spending the money on stimulus checks is just as bad. Waste it here, waste it there, it’s still waste.

      3. Is he right, though? Is the solution $2,000 checks with only limited means testing? Is Trump right about that?

        Even if MORE FREE MONEY! is the solution, is now the right time? Is it wise to continue to put money in consumers hands when the only places many of them can spend that money is at Walmart, Amazon, and Costco? Maybe we should wait until this summer when consumers can pump that money into small businesses?

        I’m not going to lie. I’m having a real hard time with this. I woke up today in a country where it’s no longer just the dirt bags and lowlifes that are crying that their government checks are too small. Seriously. What the motherfuck?

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  2. Smokeshow. Donnie dipshit has one talent and that’s distracting you with bullshit.

    He’s only saying this shit to cover up his pardons for his CRIMINAL cohorts. If there were any justice he and the rest of the lot (and quite a few more politicians) would all be in prison.

    1. Oh, just shut the fuck up. Jesus Fucking Christ, NeverTrumpers are the most annoying lot on the goddamn planet.

    2. I love the obvious flailing of this DNC talking point.
      Wonder if they’ll bother trying to come up with something better in the morning.

      1. Many of these people have already been in prison.

        I know, I know, the judicial system of the United States is all part of the deep state China conspiracy now.

        1. Not for anything to do with Trump.

          1. If a single one of you assholes were literate and read the Mueller report, you’d probably be horrified.

            It’s all right there.

            1. It’s all right there, yet it’s not.

                1. Yet it’s not. How big of fantasy world do you live in?

                  1. He’s working off a script. That’s why he sounds lost as soon as he’s challenged.

                  2. Tony’s sole purpose is to distract.

                    1. Exactly he never provides an actual point, it’s always a snarky semi smoke and mirrors comments.

            2. You know what is not there? Russian collusion. Millions upon millions of dollars. Years of investigation. Zero collusion. But the democrats knew this already. They brought in Mueller for an endless harassment campaign against Trump, who they claimed wasn't the legitimate president.

              1. Just a barely coherent puddle of sad talking points.

                My mom’s recipe for chesseballs isn’t in there either, but that doesn’t mean Trump isn’t a very, very big criminal.

                1. LOL

                2. What? Your position is it didn’t show crime, yet it shows crime?

                  1. It showed many crimes!

                    1. Such as?

                3. So what did Trump do that was “criminal”?

                  1. Only when Tony has distracted everyone from the issues at hand (Crooked Dems and Repubs sending our earnings overseas), he’ll get paid.
                    And not a moment sooner.

                    1. You’re exactly right. Tony is the definition of a paid shitposter.

                      “Shitposts are intentionally designed to derail discussions or cause the biggest reaction with the least effort possible. Sometimes they are made as part of a coordinated flame war to make the site unusable by its regular visitors.”

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shitposting

            3. No one went to jail over the Mueller report.

              1. You’d think you’d know at least a few details of the massive crimes Trump was party to if you’re going to go on supporting him.

                https://time.com/5556331/mueller-investigation-indictments-guilty-pleas/

                1. And yet Trump wasn’t. Why do you lie so much?

                2. “massive crimes”

                  Such as?

            4. The Mueller report exonerated Trump, but Muller was too much of a swamp creature to say so in so many words. Fuck you for trying to lie about it.

              -jcr

            5. The million dollar question: will Joe Biden pardon Hunter Biden?

              1. The way the press would handle this issue if it were during the trump admin…
                Unnamed sources in the Biden camp confirm that Biden will pardon Hunter.
                They do this just to throw that crap into the media fan. To start the narrative.

                But you wont see that tactic employed for the next 4 years if Biden is sworn in.

          2. Never reply to Tony. His job is to get you to waste your time not talking about the current article.

            1. yep exactly.

    3. What are you talking about? We are probably going to have him for president in 2024. And people would prefer him over the pro drugs and prostitutes libertarian option.

    4. …If there were any justice he and the rest of the lot (and quite a few more politicians) would all be in prison.

      Jo Jorgensen for prison!

    5. Were you upset when Bubba did the same?

  3. “One need not be a deficit hawk to understand that that math doesn’t add up.“

    One need not list every fucking item that’s fucked to make a point either. Stop being such a fucking pedant.

    For all of Trump’s faults, he’s spot the fuck on with this one, even if he didn’t laboriously list every item of contention. You fucking half-wit.

    1. Spot on? One percent spot on, maybe, or one tenth of a percent spot on. The entire thing is so loaded with lard, I’m surprised anyone even spotted the pigs at the trough underneath.

    2. No he should veto it and demand the whole country go back to work.

      1. What if people don’t want to die of the disease?

        1. What if people want ponies? I WANT A PONY!

          1. Well if Vermin was president you would have your ponie.

          2. That I can’t actually tell if this is a funny joke is why it’s a funny joke and earns my trophy for threadwinner.

        2. I have good news
          That’s very very very very unlikely for people who are of typical working age.

          1. It’s just that once you start telling people they have to accept even a small elevated risk of dying and being not a living person forever until the end of infinity, who’s to say you’ll stop there?

            After all, you were the people who reacted to workers organizing to demand rights by obliterating their right to organize.

            1. Life itself is the cause of death. You can’t live without taking risks. The risks of dying from cancer or heart disease is ten times that of this virus.

              If you spend all your time worrying about an infected blister from playing tennis, you’ll die from lack of exercise.

              1. So there’s everyone in recorded history who’s ever lived through a pandemic, and then there’s you, saying do the opposite.

                1. Opposite of what? Not die?

                2. God you’re stupid.

              2. Did you convince Tony?
                No. Tony solely distracts.

                Maybe wants to distract from Trump vetoing $2,500,000 to count the number of amberjack fish (ACTUALLY IN THE BILL)

            2. Nobody forcing anybody to go back to work. If anything people are being forced to not work.

              In any case, if the nearly undetectable for people of working age risk is too great for someone, they can choose to grow their own food, stay on their own lands, and if they have any, attempt to settle their debts with creditors by some means other than money.

        3. Nobody believes that. It’s your excuse to lounge on the couch while drawing a check from the government so you can spend it on beer. Why do you think they kept the liquor stores open as “essential”?

          Typical Democrat.

        4. Then 99.8% of them will get what they want.

        5. Lock them in prisons or assisted living homes where they’re *more* likely to contract and die of the disease.

        6. Then they should shoot themselves because it is going to happen. The 99.9% of the world that doesn’t die from covid will die from heart disease, cancer, or some other disease. Harden the fuck up you pussy or kill yourself and make the world a better place.

      2. No he should veto it and demand the whole country go back to work.

        He could do this. And it would be the proper thing to do. But it would assure his "non"-reelection in 2024, and his entry into the libertarian party of the proud 1%.

        1. He’ll be 78 in 2024. He’s not running. I have doubts that he’ll even be alive in 2024.

        2. I think at this point even suburban soccer moms get the “$600 is BS” point as well as the “so much pork lets fire up the bbq” point. I think it’s riskier for him NOT to veto because he promised to not sign any more pork-laden bills. He needs to keep his promises.

  4. SleepyJoe will solve this problem.

    1. That's right. Or his handlers will. Sleepy joe is about 25% there, or less. So he needs them to write his speeches for him, "bring the teleprompter closer," and advise him on everything to do so he can do whatever they say, because he is always confused. Biden is an empty shell. He is a face. That is all. The real president is a group of people that "manage" him.

      1. You’re a one horse pony!

        1. I thought that was funny too. And “dog faced pony soldier”

      2. “Or his handlers will.”

        They are called “caretakers.”

        1. Driving a highly-medicated, low-intelligence, animal single-mindedly across the finish line in a rigged spectacle to ensure that the rich get richer? Sound like ‘Jockeys’ to me.

          1. The judges would have also accepted ‘NBA/NFL head coaches.’

        2. AKA, reptilians.

  5. Middle-class Americans do not need an additional $2,000 in federal support.
    Tell me more about my finances.

    1. I paid enough taxes to buy a brand new car - 0 miles. So.... yeah. I'll take some of my money back - sure.

  6. “… following a late night rant from President Donald Trump, who demanded that Congress cut wasteful spending… while also approving additional spending: $2000 stimulus checks for all Americans.“ Bullshit Christian. He simply asked that the checks in the bill be raised to $2,000. Not everyone qualifies for those checks.

  7. I saw the following posted elsewhere and have no idea if it remotely correct, but by my estimate it adds up at least $127B. My estimate excludes student loan bailout and direct payments to individual tax payers. I estimate a upper limit on direct $600 payout would be $200B.

    $25 Million for Pakistan gender programs
    $1.4B for Asia Reassurance Initiative Act
    $250M in Palestinian aid
    $85M to Cambodia
    $700M to Sudan
    $135M to Burma
    $130M to Nepal
    $600 for each American. [No idea how much involved here since not everyone is eligible.]
    $500 million to Israel
    $300,000,000 for Migrant and Refugee Assistance pg.. 147 DA FUQ?!
    $10,000 per person for student loan bailout [Beats me how much that yields – didn’t include in my estimate.]
    $100,000,000 to NASA, because, who knows why.
    $20,000,000,000 to the USPS, because why not
    $300,000,000 to the Endowment for the Arts – because of it
    $300,000,000 for the Endowment for the Humanities/ because no one even knew that was a thing
    $15,000,000 for Veterans Employment Training / for when the GI Bill isn’t enough
    $435,000,000 for mental health support
    $30,000,000,000 for the Department of Education stabilization fund/ because that will keep people employed (all those zeros can be confusing, that’s $30 BILLION)
    $200,000,000 to Safe Schools Emergency Response to Violence Program
    $300,000,000 to Public Broadcasting / NPR has to be bought by the Democrats
    $500,000,000 to Museums and Libraries / Who knows how we are going to use it
    $720,000,000 to Social Security Admin / but get this only 200,000,000 is to help people. The rest is for admin costs
    $25,000,000 for Cleaning supplies for the Capitol Building / I kid you not it’s on page 136
    $7,500,000 to the Smithsonian for additional salaries
    $35,000,000 to the JFK Center for Performing Arts
    $25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives
    $3,000,000,000 upgrade to the IT department at the VA
    $315,000,000 for State Department Diplomatic Programs
    $95,000,000 for the Agency of International Development
    $300,000,000 for International Disaster Assistance
    $90,000,000 for the Peace Corp pg. 148
    $13,000,000 to Howard University pg. 121
    $9,000,000 Misc. Senate Expenses pg. 134
    $100,000,000 to Essential Air carriers pg. 162. This of note because the Airlines are going to need billions in loans to keep them afloat ($100,000,000 is chump change.)
    $40,000,000,000 goes to the Take Responsibility to Workers and Families Act This sounds like it’s direct payments for workers pg. 164
    $1,000,000,000 Airlines Recycle and Save Program pg. 163
    $25,000,000 to the FAA for administrative costs pg. 165
    $492,000,000 to National Railroad Passenger Corporation (Amtrak) pg. 167
    $526,000,000 Grants to Amtrak to remain available if needed through 2021 pg. 168 (what are the odds that doesn’t go unused) Hidden on page 174 the Secretary has 7 days to allocate the funds & notify Congress
    $25,000,000,000 for Transit Infrastructure pg. 169
    $3,000,000 Maritime Administration pg. 172
    $5,000,000 Salaries and Expensive Office of the Inspector General pg. 172
    $2,500,000 Public and Indian Housing pg. 175
    $5,000,000 Community Planning and Development pg. 175
    $2,500,000 Office of Housing

    1. It shouldn’t add anything, because the bullshit pork you helpfully listed above shouldn’t be included.

    2. $25,000,000 for additional salary for House of Representatives
      $9,000,000 Misc. Senate Expenses pg. 134

      Da Fuck!?

      1. They are doing a great job.

    3. This is the omnibus part of the bill and was expected.

      1. Yes, they didn’t fail to disappoint.

      2. Shill more.

      3. and should you accept it?

    4. $25 Million for Pakistan gender programs

      Wait, what? When did Pakistan become a gender? Are medical insurance carriers going to be on the hook for female or male to Pakistan reassignment surgery?

      -jcr

    5. $35,000,000 to the JFK Center for Performing Arts

      This had damned well better come with renaming the place to “The 1960 Election-stealing, Degenerate Meth Head son of a Bootlegger Center for the Performing Arts.”

      -jcr

  8. Apparently one provision in the bill would nullify Trump’s ability to use the insurrection act. Gee, why would they add something like that?

  9. “a late night rant from President Donald Trump, who demanded that Congress cut wasteful spending from its $2.3 trillion spending package”

    There that stupid Trump goes again, RANTING about wasteful spending. God, how we hate him! /explained the “libertarian” magazine

    1. He restored a tax write-off for business lunches. Probably not even because he’s corrupt and wants to give free money to CEOs, but because he read See Spot Do Upper Management in kindergarten and thinks he’s a business genius now.

      1. So what? Can’t eat in restaurants anyway.

        1. We can. Since May.

          1. Well now we know where all the ‘rona is coming from.

              1. So you don’t want to close restaurants for a while, you just want to obliterate China?

                1. Why not open them up, AND obliterate China? Sounds like a win-win for everyone!

            1. Some say arguing with Tony is a sign he distracted successfully again.

      2. He restored a tax write-off for business lunches. Probably not even because he’s corrupt and wants to give free money to CEOs, but because he read See Spot Do Upper Management in kindergarten and thinks he’s a business genius now.

        Tony's upset that the government, who is entitled to everyone's income at any % at any whim, is providing a taxcut/writeoff. The horror...

      3. I can tell by the way you villify tax write-offs that you have never been self employed, which gives you about the same authority for discussing this as an actual kindergartner

  10. One thing about Trump, he does populism in a way the Republican party has only been pretending to do as it represents solely the interests of ten or eleven billionaires. Just give everyone more cash! See, it’s easy. Easy enough for Trump.

    Republicans are in that rare jam their endless supply of lies and bullshit can’t help with. They have to maintain that perfect balance of being just helpful enough to get a few disaster capitalism goodies in for their billionaires, but never so helpful to actual people that people start believing government can be used for good purposes too. In that case what the fuck is the point of Republicans?

    Imagine not screeching along all day with Rush Limbaugh about how government is the enemy, and Republicans are your savior because they prove you right about that at every opportunity.

    1. ‘Good purposes’

      Yeah, like the Drug War and cowboy poetry festivals. Oh and an ever increasing gulf between what the government rakes in and the money it prints to cover its expenses.

      Because current you says fuck future you and all his children.

      1. Anyone can find examples of government doing bad things, especially when Republicans are in charge being deliberately bad so nobody gets any ideas that they’re there to help you.

        1. Democrats were the slave owners, formed the KKK, lynched blacks and implemented Jim Crow.

          1. But don’t you know, magically all those Democrats turned into Republicans, and all the good Republicans turned into Democrats.

          2. I think you mean to say that many of those people were Democrats.

            Because when we’re talking about how things were 100 years ago, we’re definitely doing a great job defending our team.

            1. FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans in concentration camps.

              1. Johnson picked up dogs by the ears.
                Clinton was molesting interns with cigars.
                Kennedy was banging movie stars.

                1. Kennedy was banging Marilyn Monroe so that’s a point in their favor. Lol.

                  1. The mob didn’t think so.

                2. Donald Trump ignored a pandemic that killed 300,000 Americans and tried to have a coup.

                  Do I get points for being relevant in a space-time sense?

                  1. No

                  2. You don’t even get points for being accurate.

            2. “how things were 100 yeas ago”

              And Democrats are returning to their roots. Even today they are the party of pro-segregation and pro-slavery. We have BIPOC safe spaces thanks to Democrats. They are pro-China, which is a known slaver country. They are the party of eugenics; making decisions about benefits based on genetics and ethnicity (just ask Elizabeth Warren).

              You people are sick. What’s old is new again, and you people never learn from history.

    2. What billionaires? Name them.

  11. Fuck it. Burn it all down. 20,000 dollar checks for everyone. Let’s inflate my mortgage away!

    1. If government can’t deficit spend in the middle of a pandemic, when can it? Never? Is a balanced budget truly the most important policy goal forever at all times?

        1. So when an asteroid is on its way to wipe us out, at least our books will be in order?

          1. No.

          2. The Dems would prepare for that by trying to rush an asteroid relief bill through, fleecing the taxpayers one last time. Then they would name an asteroid czar. Then we would all die anyway but with their final breath, they’d blame Trump

            1. Did Trump disband the asteroid team at NASA right before the asteroid entered its point of no return?

              I bet he did.

              That’s a metaphor for both Covid and cyberattacks, see.

              1. You’re right, the answer to the bloated bureaucracy that screwed up terribly at the beginning was that there wasn’t enough bureaucracy in place.

                1. Such a devoted little Republican poodle.

                  “Government can’t do anything right, watch us prove it!”

                  1. I just watched government screw it up. And your response to that is more government. Do you even think about what you say at this point?

                    1. Yes. You’re missing the point.

                      Republicans want you believing that government can’t do anything right and isn’t there to help people anyway.

                      Instead of asking why they want you to believe that, when it’s your government that you pay for and it can do whatever you want it to do, since it belongs to you—instead of asking that, you sit there and watch Republicans govern horribly and pat them on the back for proving YOU right.

                      It’s so sad it’s almost beautiful.

                    2. “Republicans want you believing that government can’t do anything right ”

                      Republicans are Democrats?

                    3. How is it that you think in such binary, generalizations?

                      I mean, your logic here is really Dems good, Repubs bad. The absurdity of taking such a position is almost mind boggling in its simplistic idiocy.

          3. If an asteroid is on it’s way to wipe us out, government can’t help us. Just like it can’t help us solve most problems.

      1. If government can’t cut spending when times are good, when can it? Even starting to talk about trimming the growth rate of federal spending sends Nobel Prize winning economists shrieking “oh the austerity” and tearing their hair out.

      2. The country didn’t collapse after the 1918 pandemic, which was far more deadly, and it managed to come back just fine without an additional $4 trillion in spending, most of it on pointless bullshit pork.

  12. At a minimum the bill should be chopped down to the 900 billion that is dedicated to the pandemic. Either that or rename the bill to the PORK bill because there is more spending on PORK than on the pandemic.

    There should be a law that bills passed by congress are no larger that 150 pages and cover a single topic. Omnibus bills are pure and simple PORK bills.

    1. One page. Double-spaced. I’ll allow narrow margins and headers if the bill sponsors are willing to accept a whack on the bare buttocks on C-SPAN.

      1. 10 point Times New Roman font.
        Being generous

  13. Middle-class Americans do not need an additional $2,000 in federal support.

    Says the Millennial in between whining about not being able to afford a house.

    1. $2,000 is not "federal support."
      It's my money back. I am supporting them. They are not supporting me.

      1. Except it’s not your money back. Your money has already been spent. It was spent decades ago likely before you were born. Your taxes went to pay back those debts. This new money is hot and fresh off the printing press and you and your children and your children’s children to the Nth generation will pay for it.

        1. thats actually a pretty good point.

  14. Why are we doing this? Everyone is working from home and every thing is just fine.

    1. Because Congress wants to pretend it’s our savior, and is sitting on a pile of cash to hand out in emergencies. Even though there’s no cash at all, just 27 trillion in debt we have to pay back, and their answer is to make that 28 trillion.

  15. The problem is that people are far too concerned about Trump’s intent. The only issue is whether or not his position has merit. In this case it does, regardless matter what side of the political spectrum you are on. Congress is mortgaging our futures and our children’s and grandchildren’s futures in exchange for $600 measly bucks IF your income is under their BS threshold. Anyone who is really desperate is not going to be much better off with $600. For those who aren’t desperate, $600 doesn’t make much of a difference. Why shouldn’t the taxpayers get a bit more of the money they will ultimately be on the hook for repaying? Heaven forbid they have to cut the grants for empty Amtrak trains and airplanes, or cut back on cleaning supplies at the Capital. And gender programs in Pakistan? That’s much more important than ensuring hungry Americans have food.

    1. Pennies. The only real money is in defense and the social safety net. And at least that’s all money that’s being spent.

      There’s a ton of wasted cash sitting in accounts with God knows what shelters Trump enacted or ignored. We could take 80% of the wealth from the wealthiest and they wouldn’t miss a single meal.

      1. You asked above if we could inflate the currency by endless deficit spending and now you want confiscation.

        It might be time to try stronger methods to remove liberals and leftists from power.

        1. Oh I’m sorry I was responding to someone concerned about not having enough income to pay for the outlays.

      2. You’re kidding with this idiocy, right? You are advocating for taking 80% of wealth from the wealthiest people and doing what? Just spreading that around like free money for people?

        The fact there are people like you out there that think this is actually an effective policy position is alarming.

        Tell me, is there a tax, a spend, or an expansion of an already bloated government you don’t support, other than Republican ones of course as we all know how tribal you are?

        1. I was just offering a suggestion for how to raise money during a crisis in a way that it won’t be missed. I don’t have policy positions other than do whatever we can to increase human well-being. You?

          1. Yet your positions don’t actually do that. I know progressive policies of give everyone everything they want and need sound fantastic. But reality is not so fanciful. Huge deficit spending with the plan on confiscating tons of wealth to pay for it is asinine and horribly myopic.

            1. Not if you go by literally all the evidence in the world. But sure, some day your theory will pan out, I’m sure of it. If only we can get past the stage where everyone who didn’t win the zillionaire genetic lottery is poor and miserable. Until you figure that part out, can’t we just do the only thing that’s currently known to work?

              1. You are broken.

                1. I’m going to keep saying evidence isn’t optional, and then one day you’re going to find out why I’m right.

              2. You wouldn’t be such a horrible human being if your envy and hate only led you to try and confiscate millionaire and billionaire wealth. But that’s never enough to fund everything you want, so you work your way down to those of us who are just barely managing to eek out a decent living.

                1. You’re the only one bringing emotion into this, so I suggest you check YOUR premises.

                  I am inclusive so I won’t criticize you for being a pathetic servile toad of people wealthier than you will ever be who couldn’t give a shit if your entire family died, let alone thank you for doing free PR work for bullshit tax policy that amounts to kleptocracy.

                  1. You think the guys who own Google, Twitter and Facebook give a shit if your family dies? If anything they caused it.

                    1. I don’t trust any billionaire on tax policy farther than I can throw his severed head, and you shouldn’t either.

                      Life is too short to let billionaires set tax policy. It’s so simple I don’t know why it can’t get through!

                  2. Poor tony. He really is poor.

                  3. I could care less about the people wealthier than me right now. I am working my ass off to be wealthier in the future. But again, it doesn’t just stop with the people wealthier than me, Tony. You ALWAYS start coming for my money. It’s been the strategy since the Income Tax was instituted.

                    Sorry if I don’t like assholes threatening to take my shit.

                    1. It’s not your shit if you owe it to the US Treasury. How many times does it have to be explained? Who gets to say what “your” shit is? Is it anyone but the government? Is it you? And what army?

              3. Literally all historical evidence points away from communism being a viable government structure. But keep pretending what you need to.

                1. I totally agree with that statement.

                  1. Yet you advocate for it. Kind of bizarre, don’t you think?

                    1. More like disturbing that I’ve been talking to people this whole time who can’t tell the difference between a public sector and communism.

                    2. More disturbing how you don’t have the slightest grasp on history. And even more disturbing how you keep demanding more government control over everything, yet think you’re not advocating for communism.

                      I suggest you actually learn of the ramifications of that which you advocate for.

                    3. What can I say, I grew up in the post-Reagan era. My whole life has been lived in the experimental backlash to the New Deal Order, otherwise known as the Dark Ages where Everything Went to Shit by future people.

                      I think any mature person recognizes the essential role of a free market in a functioning modern state.

                      The only difference between you and me is I don’t let voices in my head tell me what I’m allowed to do with my market and my government. I can do whatever I want, subject to democratic approval. The free market is not God. If it’s useful, I’ll keep it.

                    4. ” I can do whatever I want, subject to democratic approval”

                      lolololol

                    5. Tony, the difference between you and me is you believe that the government will be able to somehow provide this utopia for you to live in whereby you will finally be a happy person. It’s a wonderful thought, and great in theory, but it lacks real world practicality. You want the government to fix all problems, pay for all things, protect you at every turn, make your life happy, and still allow you freedom and free market capitalism.

                      This, my friend, is the quintessential example of voices in one’s head leading them astray. I admire your desires, though I feel sad for your inability to be happy in reality.

              4. “Not if you go by literally all the evidence in the world”

                Every time you did it it failed.

                Every time

          2. I was under the mistaken impression that the wealthy acquired their wealth by offering services or products that increased the well being of others so much that they became wealthy. Thanks for setting me straight – government forced reallocation of wealth is the better way to increase the well being of others. Everyone should adopt that policy!

            1. I’m glad you recognize your mistake. Since money is wholly an invention of governments and wealth is wholly secured by them, you have now realized that government can legitimately “redistribute” it in any direction it pleases, because the market price for anything includes the government as both a regulator and a customer. That when you were worried about “forced reallocation” it was mostly about how eeeevil it sounds and not about any theory of government, since there literally is no theory of government not called anarchy that doesn’t permit government forcibly reallocating wealth.

              1. Ah. “You didn’t built that”.

                1. Ah the FOX News argument. if you can repeat it and put it in quotes, it stops being true.

                  1. Not true.

              2. My reading of the origins of money do not show it originating with governments. And Bitcoin wasn’t (so far as is known) invented by government.
                I can’t tell if you are an anarchist or a socialist since you employ too much sarcasm for my limited mental capacity to figure out. A pure anarchist I can see mocking libertarian concepts as much as a socialist would. What is your basic philosophy if you are willing to explain?

                1. Empiricist. I don’t care for highly unrigorous political distinctions that come from the 19th century.

                  The sort of political-economic system that lands me on is probably something like Democratic socialism, though Bernie bros annoy me too much to say so.

                  Since we live in reality, I also favor whatever is a good step in the right direction.

                  By right direction I mean a society that is increasingly just, fair, and happy. And not only because Thomas Jefferson said that’s what we should be doing, but I suppose it probably had an effect on my thinking.

                  1. I’m guessing drugs had an effect on your thinking more so than Jefferson.

                  2. Always funny to me that the unhappiest people like you are the ones demanding government be the means to provide the happiness. The irony is palpable.

                    1. Government isn’t the means. Money is the means. Government just helps it move around efficiently.

                    2. “Government just helps it move around efficiently.”

                      lolololol

                  3. Government helps it move are efficiently? Dude, what kind if illogic is that?

                    1. Without government keeping its eye on where the money goes, people might monopolize it. And that would be bad for happiness.

                    2. Just resorting to word salads now, I see.

                    3. Without government keeping its eye on where the money goes, people might monopolize it.

                      They seem to be doing a pretty good job watching where it’s going here, and it’s not really doing any real good.

          3. I was just offering a suggestion for how to raise money during a crisis in a way that it won’t be missed.

            I’m genuinely curious. Where do you think Jeff Bezos keeps his money? A giant Scrooge McDuck vault with a dollar sign on the front? Anticipating that your answer will be something on the order of “yes” allow me to educate you: Rich people (and in fact most people with more than subsistence quantities of money) do not keep their money under a mattress or even in a bank. They generally invest it. And when money is invested it doesn’t disappear into a giant stock market in the sky where people fling meaningless numbers around. That money goes into businesses, real businesses run by real people employing real people to do real work providing real goods and real services to real customers. Without the funding those companies receive from public trading you wouldn’t have Amazon or Walmart or Apple or Google or any of the nice things that you purchase or purchase from every single day. Those good things were made possible because investors saw that they had the greatest potential for profit (by doing the most good, as measured by what people are willing to pay for) and invested their money in those companies.

            You want to take 80% of Jeff Bezos’s wealth? You better start asking what is wealth then, because I’d be shocked to find out the man has more than maybe $100k in actual liquid cash to his name that he could take out of the bank and give to you. Any of the rest of his wealth which you desire and you’re going to start having to take pieces of his ownership in various businesses (and presumably sell them off to someone, for cash, which there might be few buyers of once you’ve stolen all the rich people’s money). Joe Blow can’t feed his family with Amazon stock shares.

            And even if the government did possess a magical ability to liquidate the value of all that capital without loss (it doesn’t) by what logic do you think that it is capable of turning around and allocating that money in a manner as intelligent as the free market? Has central planning of an economy ever not resulted in famine and deprivation? That money will be wasted and the average person will receive worse outcomes from how it is spent. This isn’t a question. This is basic economics and history 101.

            Confiscation is a terrible idea that simply will not die.

      3. TonyWe could take 80% of the wealth from the wealthiest and they wouldn’t miss a single meal.

        The government should use the same amount of force against those wealthy people that the wealthy used against the people from which they acquired their wealth. Right?

        1. I have spent so long trying to explain that taxes cannot be theft, since government defines what theft is. That taxes are not theft any more than paying a bill at a restaurant is theft, since you’re not leaving the premises and foregoing your time at the trough are you? Driving on those roadz all day long like you own them.

          But you know what, you can say it’s theft if you want to. It’s a moral opinion. Sure, it’s theft.

          Therefore, we can steal a shitload of money from billionaires, and there’s nothing they can do about it because we’d have an army on our side. Isn’t democracy great?

          They’re not even fucking using it. You’re going to not steal their money when you have an army and the law on your side? What, because you think it would be wrong? Wah wah wah, I’m such a nerd, and taxation is theft wah wah wah.

          Not a single billionaire respects you for volunteering free rhetorical security for the half the fucking global wealth they hoard.

          1. Wow, just wow.

          2. I do agree with you on one thing Tony. Income taxes aren’t theft. If anything, income taxes are more akin to extortion.

            Anyway you slice it though, taxing me for having the audacity to try and take care of my family and improve my situation is fucking immoral.

            1. Nobody is taxing you because of what a good person you are. You’re being taxed because you owe money for all the services you use.

              1. “You’re being taxed because you owe money”

                No one asked me. You got some kind of contract?

                Then fuck you its theft.

              2. You’re being taxed because you owe money for all the services you use.
                Last year I paid $25k in income taxes. Do you really think I used $25k worth of government services? Because if so I’d really like an itemized bill. Keep in mind as well: I live in a state with no state income tax, which means that approximately $0 of that went to the much vaunted “roads and bridges” people of the lefty persuasion typify as the most honest uses of public money. None of that income tax was spent on schools or police, or any of the public services I benefit from. No, that all comes from a separate tax on my property (to the tune of around $7k a year). So, setting aside the police and the fire department and the schools and the roads and all those nice public services which we all love and cherish exactly what was my $25k being spent on that I benefited from so greatly?

                1. Well, in all fairness, some of that $25,000 did go to roads and bridges in your state. That is, first it went to feed the giant federal bureaucracy that vacuums up that money and then has to pay for its own existence. Then, that federal agency allocates that money back to the states in a subjective, proportional allotment. Then, your state receives that money through the state bureaucracy that is charged with funneling money from the federal government back to the state. That state agency also has to pay for its own existence. Then that state agency sends that money to the people who actually build the roads and bridges.

                  So, you do see some of that money come back after you pay off a lot of middlemen first.

          3. I have spent so long trying to explain that taxes cannot be theft,

            If you call a donkey’s tail a leg, How many legs does it have?

            FOUR, YOU ASSHOLE. CALLING A TAIL A LEG DOESN’T MAKE IT A LEG.

            When you take someone else’s money by force or the threat of force, it’s theft.

            -jcr

          4. “since government defines what theft is. ”

            No it passes laws. It doesn’t define anything.

          5. I have spent so long trying to explain that taxes cannot be theft, since government defines what theft is.

            Taxes are absolutely theft, and government does NOT determine what words in our language mean. The % taxes you pay is the % slave you are. The founders saw them as a "necessary evil" but an evil nonetheless. You can't have a government at all, unless you have taxes. Because you have to levy taxes to pay for the expense of governance. That said, the flip side is, if 50% of all your income goes to the government, you are 50% a slave. Absolutely. Actual slaves in the south worked and 100% of their efforts went to their master. In return, the master gave them food, water, shelter, security, governance, and the necessities. There is ZERO difference between that and the tax payer / government relationship. If you stop paying your taxes - what is the government going to do with you. The same thing they would do with an escaped slave - punish them. So the solution is the government to tax as little as necessary, and govern as little as necessary.

            That taxes are not theft any more than paying a bill at a restaurant is theft..

            This is disingenuous, because you don't have to eat the restaurant right? Eating at the restaurant is voluntary. Paying taxes is not. And that is all the difference. There are plenty of government services that I don't use that I have to pay for. And it's not voluntary.

            …since you’re not leaving the premises and foregoing your time at the trough are you? Driving on those roadz all day long like you own them.

            And this is the problem with government. Everyone has to pay, and not everyone actually uses. At least a road, most people will use. There are many services created solely for the sake of "equality" that a very few people will benefit from, which is implemented, ironically, unequally. Even some roads don't need to be owned/managed by the government. And some people would prefer it that way. But government is the embodiment of "force." It is the opposite of volunteerism. It is the opposite of freedom. Freedom is having many options, and government is the reduction of options.

      4. If it’s immoral for me to put a gun to your head and take your money why do you think it’s ok for a government employee to do it?

        1. The only things you think government should do are shoot and imprison people..

          I fail to see how a threat to shoot is worse than actually shooting. Which, again, you think government should do, explicitly, to keep people off your lawn.

          And you gotta tax someone to pay for all the shooting and imprisoning you explicitly think government should do and only do.

          1. SleepyJoe will fix your problems.

          2. Now answer the question

            1. Yes, the government employee can legally do what it can legally do, and I can’t legally do what I can’t legally do.

              If you want to defend anarchism, I’d probably enjoy that discussion, but you’re not doing that are you?

      5. We could take 80% of the wealth from the wealthiest and they wouldn’t miss a single meal.

        Pinko much?

        I think we should vote to take 80% of your stuff, show up at your house with guns, and take it. Dumbass.

        1. All he has is shopping cart full of old rags and broken radios.

        2. If you did that I’d respect you more than someone who refrains from using the power they have to take what they need before they die. That’s not being a man, that’s being a moron. The billionaires don’t think that way, not one bit. They take what they want. They buy politicians for the purpose.

          And they have you convinced you’re doing yourself a favor by shilling for their luxury interests instead of your basic ones. It’s unreal.

          1. ☑ Hates Billionaires.
            ☑ Implies Tax-cuts are subsidization.
            ☑ Wants a progressive tax plan.
            ☑ Thinks you should be taxed for government services not used.
            ☑ Thinks Billionaires are "hoarding" wealth, implying wealth is a zero sum game.
            ☑ Advocates for taking rich people's money, "they aren't using it anyways."
            ☑ Thinks government "moves money around efficiently."
            ☑ Thinks wealth is wholly secured by governments.
            ☑ Refers to communism as "the public sector."
            ☑ Truly believes he will never be wealthy, thus, no one else should be either.
            ☑ Perceives himself as a loser seeking fairness, justice, and happiness, in lieu of a winner taking the helm and embodying the archetypal hero.

            Yep. Definitely a commie pinko.

      6. They already do that, it’s called inflation. But news flash Tony, they’re not taking it from the wealthiest because those are the ones that pay the bribes. They are taking it from all the little guys who can’t fight back.

        That’s you, Tony. That’s your Democrats.

    2. cancel the whole bill. cut spending by 10% next fiscal year, at least.

  16. “The trouble is that the conditions Trump outlined for supporting relief legislation would make the bill much worse. Middle-class Americans do not need an additional $2,000 in federal support. A $900 billion relief bill that includes generous, targeted benefits—including expanded unemployment benefits, relief for renters, and boosted food stamp spending—doesn’t need more spending on universal programs that will mainly benefit Americans who are currently receiving a paycheck.”

    —-Christian Britschgi

    What a bunch of socialist wealth redistribution bullshit!

    This is supposed to be a libertarian publication, and they’re telling me I don’t really need to get some of the money I earned back–because I already earn a paycheck?

    Fuck you.

    Hunger is the nature’s way of telling us not to procreate.

    Those of us who earn a living don’t really need to get our tax money back–at least not until Britschgi says it’s okay–and that’s what libertarian capitalism is all about?!

    The only people who should be getting money from the government are people who are earning a paycheck and paying taxes.

    I’m not here for your benefit, you blood-sucking parasite.

    1. It’s not a tax cut, it’s a check. You people are the ones constantly fixated on that distinction. TDS has really thrown your brain for a loop. It’s government literally printing checks for people. It’s the last thing any libertarian should ever support. It’s above torture in that regard.

      1. Do you work for the government, Tony?

        1. Tony? Work? Who would hire him?

        2. Yeah I’m Trump’s hair and makeup guy. Have never once been allowed to so much as pluck an eyebush. What can I say, he likes to do his own slathering.

          1. So you’re half assing your job? Like a typical Democrat.

        3. Tony’s sole purpose is to distract.

      2. It’s not a tax cut, it’s a check.

        LOL Depends on how much tax you paid! For you... sure, probably just a check.

    2. The U.S. government owes me a lot more than $2,000!

      Fucking thieves.

      And when somebody wants to give me some of my money back, this asshole says I don’t really need my money anyway–because I earn a paycheck?!

      Did Jacobin steal Reason’s URL or something?

      1. I’m glad we never have to play this game where a tax cut is any different from cutting a check. Never ever again. What a waste of time that was.

        1. I’m glad we never have to play this game where a tax cut is any different from cutting a check. Never ever again. What a waste of time that was.

          Tony, for you it's just a check, because you received a net gain FROM the government. To us, its a tax cut, because the government received a net gain FROM us.

      2. I’d settle for them to just stop racking up trillions of more in debt for me to repay later.

        1. So maybe fewer tax cuts during boom times so there’s money leftover for pandemics?

          1. GovLovers: Times are good, we need to spend more
            GovLovers: Times are bad, we need to spend more

            1. Not really the Keynesian method, but there’s no telling Republicans what to do. They can’t help but spend public money at all times without paying for it. What can I say, they suck.

              1. “Not really the Keynesian method, ”

                Right it’s your method.

          2. So maybe fewer tax cuts during boom times so there’s money leftover for pandemics?

            LOL. Tony wants more taxation! Need to add that to commie pinko checklist. The solution is less spending and let people take care of themselves. Tony, get off the gov teat. When are you ever going to grow up and be your own nanny?

        2. “I’d settle for them to just stop racking up trillions of more in debt for me to repay later.”

          How ’bout a libertarian writer who doesn’t think taxpayers don’t really need their money if they’re already earning a paycheck?

      3. “Did Jacobin steal Reason’s URL or something?”

        Same fucking hiring pool.

  17. YES! SINK IT! Permanently; We are NOT a communist Country!

    1. Communism is the state controlling the means of economic production. This bill is not that.

      1. Expropriating the products of production from the many to enact and enable the will of the very very few.

        Pure communism, no, but definitely close kin.

      2. “Communism is ”

        Fuck you there is no all encompassing defintion you lying sack.

        1. There is a definition of communism. But the right now believes that communism means “Any policy that I don’t like.”

          1. One minute, socialism is everything the government does.

            Another minute, socialism has never been tried.

            It’s hard to keep up with weasel definitions.

      3. “Communism is the state controlling the means of economic production.” — AS IN the “state controlled” distribution of those items produced.

        This bill is EXACTLY that!

  18. Why does everyone forget that this was not just a covid bill, it was aslo an omnibus spending bill that was in the works. They just put both bills together. So ya, of course there will be lots of other stuff in the bill. This is expected.

    1. And yes, this was mentioned in the post, but the commentators seem to forget it.

      1. The fact that you don’t see the problem here is why leftists shouldn’t be put in charge of a fucking lemonade stand, much less a complex society.

        1. I am not saying that I do not have a problem with it, but it is wrong to believe that Pakistan is getting money in a covid bill.

          1. Funny how what you think the real problem is never gets talked about.

    2. lol… Just say, “It’s from D.C.; The Corruption should be expected by now.”

    3. No idea how that fact makes anything better.

      1. It doesn’t.

    4. Of course they put it together

      You voted against “the bill” you HATE HATE HATE Americans and want them to DIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      You vetoed “the bill” you HATE HATE HATE Americans and want them to DIEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    5. Also, it is almost certain that if a vote were taken to approve each and every expenditure in this monstrosity, most of them would fail because most of them are absolute BS that US taxpayers have no damned business paying for.

      They are intentionally crammed together into one bill to ensure their passage.

    6. All the people struggling to get by see all the wasted spending and compare that to the pittance of table scraps that have been thrown to them. They naturally think, “I’ll bet that money could be better spent on people struggling here, in our country.”

      Who gives a shit what they call it Omnibus or not, nobody cares.

      1. Instead of fuzzing about their share of STOLEN money; They should be fuzzing about the very concept of STOLEN money.

        And that right there is a prominent difference between [R] and [D].

    7. that was by design. everything was crammed into a must pass bill, had the word “covid” attached…… and was treated like a spending spree….. they used to situation to pack every wet dream piece of pork they could think of into it.

      1. No. The took the normal DC end of year spending spree and put it with the covid bill to save time.

        1. lmao!!! “save time” as if D.C. was even delegated the power (job) of 90% of what they do. It’s like having a OCD nanny on crack.

    8. if it gets passed in one vote it IS effectively the kung-flu bill. Otherwise you could just split each issue into its own justifying bill.

  19. I don’t know whether you people realize or not just how radical and unorthodox your political beliefs are in the grand scheme of things, but even in the best of circumstances you should be asking yourself what are the implications if you’re wrong.

    If you’ve spent your entire adulthood advocating for tax cuts that are perfectly describable as legalized theft, which do nothing to help any part of society except the yacht sector, and are no more legitimately owed to people than any other handout.

    What would be the implications for your personal ethical self-worth, if you were wrong about how wealth is the same as virtue and that’s why we shouldn’t tax it?

    What if wealth wasn’t the same as virtue? Wouldn’t you feel like an asshole. Sheesh.

    1. I can’t believe I stayed up late reading this stuff.

    2. If you’ve spent your entire adulthood advocating for tax cuts that are perfectly describable as legalized theft
      You got that backwards

      The taxes are the theft
      Reducing the theft is merely mitigating the reckoning the bastards ought to face.

      1. Yeah but what if you’re wrong about that.

        Wouldn’t you feel like a right cunt?

        1. How could I be wrong?

          I know as an absolute fact that I made X and that X belongs to me. I also know that Y was taken under threat of violence from me and that it used to be Z (which is greater than Y)

          I’ve done a heck of a lot more good with Z-Y than anybody in Washington possibly could have.

          I used Z-Y to procure needful goods, to encourage productive activity, and to assist people who have legitimate short term needs that were being unmet.
          Government would have used Z-Y to promote sloth, or to procure goods for the purposes of destruction (war).

          In all probability, I did more measurable good with Z-Y than Government did with Y even though Y is considerably greater than Z-Y.

          1. Tony’s entire purpose is to distract.
            He’s not listening to you, he’s goading you.

            1. I will have to admit I thought of Tony and people like him this morning as I pulled out 3 different keys to unlock 3 different doors to in my building to protect against people spreading the virus, while doing that I forgot I had this piece of cloth with elastic on it which got caught and ripped, unfortunately I needed this cloth to enter said building as it was the 4 magic key. Anyways this lead me to think of the nature of Tony and his ilk to always add more rules government has helped not one bit in this case and basically sums up his perverted life views.

        2. No, not really.

        3. I’m pretty sure I’ll feel exactly as much of a cunt as you will if you’re wrong.

    3. Why do you keep talking about “the yacht sector” and “helping billionaires”?

      Seems to me most of the rich celebrities, tech billionaires, etc. all support Democrats.

    4. “just how radical and unorthodox your political beliefs are”

      Spend less than you bring in is radical to Tony.

    5. The yacht sector doesn’t pay taxes. The yacht is owned by a shell corporation which writes it off in depreciation.

    6. There’s also a risk to society from legalized theft and widespread systemic violence which supports everything the government does. Just saying.

      A person who thinks state sponsored violence should be used to solve all complex social problems is worried that someone might value property rights too much? It’s as predictable a notion as it is absurd.

  20. Et tu, Britches?

    Fuckin’ cosmotarianism 101 says IF the government is going to throw money around to stimulate the economy the only free and fair way is to give everyone an equal amount w/o means testing and let them do what they will with the cheese. Rims for the beater, hookers and blow, get current on bills, tithe to the church of their choosing, invest, rainy day fund, put it all on black, lottery tickets, binge drink, ammo, take a vaycay, start a business, start a cult, set it on fire…

    Spread that schmear around and let the market work it’s magic.

    NO CENTRAL PLANNING

    Proles and serfs take care of their own shit and everybody prospers because it ends up somewhere else…

    Do you even read your own magazine?

    1. Really should be an embarrassment – the number of progressive statists that write for Reason – but we all know leftists are immune to shame.

  21. Fried chicken, menthols and malt liquor, motherfuckers
    Throw the change in the collection plate Sunday morning
    Hard earned or windfall the people know where that cash needs to be. Now we have a pseudo-libertarian website telling us that only expert central-planners know where the money should go?

    Fuck all of y’all

    OUT!

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  23. “Middle-class Americans do not need an additional $2,000 in federal support.” As someone who falls into the lower middle class, I could certainly use an additional $2000. My spouse is an independent contractor that has been out of work due to the pandemic. In Florida, as an independent contractor, he is not entitled to receive regular UI but is able to receive $113/week in PUA which is helpful. I have been fortunate that I have continued to work throughout this ordeal, however, my income is now the primary support of our household and I would certainly appreciate the monetary assistance.

    1. I think we all knew you were always going to be a fucking welfare case.

    2. Sorry to hear about your difficulties. I like to see help direct very focused on those in need and I certainly support helping people like you. I like to see your spouse to get more in unemployment through these times and not a direct check. I don’t need the check and the last check my wife and I donated to charities.

      1. And you *earned* it by doing WHAT-EXACTLY that bettered other’s life???

        OH RIGHT; You didn’t *earn* a damn thing – The Gov-Gods STOLE it; thus the net benefit to society is NEGATIVE (legalizing theft).

  24. How about a bill that just requires all Americans to pay themselves $2000. Simple.

  25. It would be fitting to do a State of the Union address and start reading all of the pork items along with who put them into the bill.

    1. Better options:
      1. Leave the SOTU to Basement Bunker Biden.
      2. Skip the speech, and tweet “The state of the union is quite good at this time. It will degrade significantly in the near future”

    2. Question: Do you start by reading your own pork projects, like the wall, or do you start with other peoples pork projects?

      Remember every politician like pork. Not the other person’s pork but their own pork, which is of course essential.

  26. this bill is too wasteful…… it should waste more!!!

  27. This is just Trump throw a wrench in the works at the last minute to get attention. This process has been going on for month and he never cared. He has been AWOL since the election. And who is going to suffer Republicans. They were holding the line and Trump just sided with Senator Sanders and Rep. Ocasio-Cortez.

    Wake up Republicans Trump is an albatross around your neck. You are going to feel so much better when he is gone in January.

    1. i really think many of them are just biting their tongues until after the runoff in Georgia….. and i am not so certain that is the smart thing to do.

    2. Everything Trump is doing now BIDEN is promising to do MORE of. Your personal attacks with complete ignorance of the policy of politician is amazing.

  28. “It’s called the COVID relief but it has almost nothing to do with COVID,” said Trump, referring to the two bills interchangeably.

    That’s because, before they were voted on by the two chambers, the bills were combined into one monster 5,000+ page bill, which will be presented to the president for signature (or veto). Trump won’t have the option off vetoing the Covid relief bill and signing the continuing resolution into law.

  29. If only there were a political movement and party that advocated for smaller government and less spending…oh wait. There is one I heard of.

  30. Trump’s not wrong here. The real disgrace is the DC status quo, and that the media can’t see that is also disgraceful.

    1. He is wrong. He is wrong about giving people a lot of money. Help people in trouble but don’t just give away a lot of money. He is wrong in his timing. To wait until the bill is passed to complain about spending is way to late. He could have been talking about this for six month.

      I am guessing that if I asked AOC or Bernie Sanders if there was excessive spending in the bill they would also say yes, just for different things. So AOC, Sanders and Trump are all not wrong.

      1. He’s wrong but he’s not wrong. Interesting.

  31. It is official Trump is the most socialist President, and maybe elected official in American history. Even without this latest insane increase for which lifelong Democrat Donnie from Queens is screeching; this record breaking Trumpulus, in just one year, insanely dwarfs the multiyear socialist stimulus spending of the two previously worst anti-American debacles ObaMao’s ARRA and Franklini Delano RooStalin’s New Deal; and Trump did not have any plan much less a five year plan.

    “The record-breaking stimulus

    Before this year, America’s largest-ever spending program was Barack Obama’s American Recovery and Reinvestment Act — which clocked in at just over $1 trillion, in today’s money.

    On a per-capita basis, or as a percentage of GDP, the record was held by Franklin Delano Roosevelt’s New Deal of 1933-35, which spent about $6,680 of today’s dollars for every living American. That amounted to 12.6% of GDP at the time.

    Both records could be smashed this year, with stimulus so far totaling some $8,845 per American.”

    https://www.axios.com/the-record-breaking-stimulus-66482b2f-3a43-43a5-83ce-31f167240d32.html

    Trumpism is your fertilizer if Progressivism, Fascism, and Socialism just do not grow government fast enough for you.

    1. I’m sure the most socialist president EVER would cut corporate income tax, regularly rail against China, and cut various red tape, including gender identity studies or some other nonsense.

      Trump is a big spending populist. Reagan was a big spender. But like Reagan Trump favored some pro growth policies, so America was in full recovery mode and saw record unemployment for minorities. Black employment would inevitably inch up with a “restrictionist” president since so many manual labor and even desk jobs are taken by bilingual Latinos.

      America fucked up. Badly. The Clinton years and the early Trump years will be the last time blacks enjoyed hints of growth. Biden says he’ll increase refugee influx threefold in a time of pandemic. Someone tell me how we’re supposed to find stability for disadvantaged people when retail, leisure, and other physical locations that hire he lower class are being continuously shut down.

  32. The “math doesn’t add up” only if you crunch them in a vacuum.

    If the government took away the homes of 100 million America via eminent domain, they better pay them. It would hardly matter if the total amount exceeds foreign aid. Any stimulus check is in response to direct government shutdown, not bad policy like lax lending standards.

    Some Americans might not deserve stimulus checks. But that remains a fluid situation. If your income was untouched by the pandemic, you may still have to spend additional money to send your kids to private school. The delivery charges and other pandemic related costs add up. Whatever investment you had might be losing value.

    When big businesses flee CA and NY, do they all take their workforce with them? I don’t know. Even if they do, other local jobs that were created would be impacted. If your situation is better than most, you still might be approaching an abyss. Smart people will set aside parts of that stimulus check somewhere to prep for the future. I put parts of the last stimulus money in a paypal account and it’s not being touched at the moment.

  33. Arguing that the government cannot afford to give me my money back is not libertarian.

  34. Fake news.
    Rump made no threat against the bill

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