Libertarian Party

Libertarian Shane Hazel Is Proud To Be a Spoiler in Georgia Senate Race

Hazel tells angry partisans "Give me your tears. They are delicious." He campaigned against lockdowns and for peace, and earned nearly twice the number of votes in Georgia as L.P. presidential pick Jo Jorgensen.

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Whether the Republican Party controls the Senate during the first two years of the Biden administration depends on what happens in the Georgia Senate runoffs in January.

One of those runoffs, between Republican incumbent David Perdue and Democratic challenger Jon Ossoff, is happening because Libertarian Party (L.P.) candidate Shane Hazel, formerly of the Marine Corps and currently the host of the Radical podcast, got over 114,000 votes or 2.3 percent. The gap between leader Perdue and second-place Ossoff was about 90,000 votes, and Hazel kept either of them from getting over 50 percent, hence the runoff. (The other Georgia Senate seat will also be decided in a runoff, making the state pivotal for determining which party gets control of the Senate, and with it, whether we have divided government.)

What would Hazel say to angry Republicans who accuse him of ruining not only this election but also possibly the chance for GOP control of the Senate? "Give me your tears. They are delicious," he said in a phone interview yesterday. "I come from special ops in the Marine Corps and I am thick-skinned. I don't really care what most people think of me as long as I'm standing on principle, that on my death bed I can look my kids in the eye and say, 'I gave it everything.'"

"I can take the slings and arrows. It doesn't bother me." When it comes to Libertarians fighting against the two major parties, "I hope people understand that creating a runoff should be the primary mission until the party is much stronger."

If an outcome more consistently resistant to big government were desired, Perdue should have been the one to drop out, Hazel argues, pointing to Perdue's low 20 out of 100 ranking for this year on the New American Freedom Index, which measures the constitutionalist bona fides of elected politicians. (Perdue's career ranking by that same measure is higher, but still only 47.)

Hazel, in his first L.P. run (he made a swing in the primaries for a U.S. House seat in 2018, running as a Republican, and got 28 percent against incumbent Rob Woodall), earned a bit fewer than twice the number of votes earned by L.P. presidential candidate Jo Jorgensen in Georgia. Hazel, it seems, was pulling more than just disgruntled voters who didn't want to support either major party, who might have been likely to vote Libertarian for other spots on the ticket.

He might have stood out, Hazel says, because "I didn't pander, and I think that is a big thing we as Libertarians need to understand. We have principle on our side, we have a great understanding of economics, of peace…and when we articulate those things" firmly and with no compromise "outside our echo chamber, we can do amazing things."

Hazel thinks he's a particularly convincing presenter of the message as well. "I hate to say it, but I think being one of those guys who has been in the service," makes it so he can deliver his message "with a resonance, an ability to command a crowd."

"Having a presence where you don't have to read off notecards and can speak straight from the heart with authenticity−those are things the Libertarian Party really needs going forward."

That message delivery had to be nearly all via his podcast, since personal appearances rarely happened due to COVID-19. Hazel wasn't really able to campaign, except via podcast and social media, and indeed told people not to donate to his campaign once lockdowns set in and he realized he couldn't do much traditional campaigning.

He told them he'd prefer they "send money to neighbors that need it, [and to] local businesses—they are the ones being hurt most." He pulled in $5,200, he says, but hardly spent anything. He just encouraged his fans of the podcast or his social media presence to just "share the heck out of anything we put out."

His message, when he could get it out, made the liberty-destroying injustice of the lockdowns supported by Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, front and center. "Ending wars was my cornerstone" when he started running, he says, but he "switched gears" after seeing true domestic tyranny in lockdown orders, and even organized an armed protest "where we went out and assembled against the executive orders from Kemp" which Hazel saw as "the government revoking our rights." Being anti-lockdown, Hazel thinks, "should have been a much larger message for Libertarians in 2020. You don't get to lock down our right to travel, to do business, to operate commerce, to gather."

Beyond the special issue of the lockdowns, Hazel notes Libertarians should be able to outflank Democrats with a consistent and radical criminal justice reform message, and the Republicans with a stronger vision of free markets and restrained, peaceful foreign policy.

He got almost no local earned media, outside one virtual debate he was invited to, which Hazel attributes to the fairness of the Atlanta Press Club, which hosted it. Hazel thinks that debate appearance did some good with people who saw it, watching his opponents "arguing like children in the debates, and then see [him], a calm, reasonable person who could cite the Constitution and talk policy." Hazel thinks that once a voter did get wind of him through social media, a sense of outrage over how his campaign was generally "blackballed" by normal media might have made them more inclined to help him spread his message.

Hazel considered himself part of the Mises Caucus wing of the L.P., which roughly considers itself the most hardcore libertarian, especially resistant to what it sees as leftist identity politics heresies.

Though Jorgensen wasn't his first choice for the party's nomination, Hazel doesn't much like factionalism and thinks Libertarians "need to stop tearing each other apart. Everyone 'liberties' in different ways." He learned to appreciate zany L.P. presidential hopeful Vermin Supreme, Hazel says, by really talking to him and getting "past the schtick to the real personality. He comes to liberty from the progressive side. I come from a neocon background, and everyone's pushing liberty in their own way and we should let them do it."

He'd like Perdue and Ossoff to come on the podcast of the man who ensured neither had an easy victory, so they can talk policy in depth. He says an endorsement is not inherently out of the question, but that a long discussion would have to happen first. He sees so little difference between them in terms of moving government toward restraint in foreign policy and spending that those politicians would have to "persuade me, show me, tell me I'm wrong" in thinking that neither major-party candidate deserves a Libertarian's support.

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    2. Unreason staffers are so usy sucking their own dicks, they didnt see that Trump Georgia, AZ, PA, and WI.

      Perdue won more than 50% of the vote so only loeffler will have the runoff.

  2. “Give me your tears. They are delicious.”

    Fuck you, too!

    1. “Hazel doesn’t much like factionalism and thinks Libertarians “need to stop tearing each other apart.”

      P.S. “Give me your tears. They are delicious”.

      1. if you are crying because one of the major parties didn’t win, you are not a libertarian…..

        1. Troll, I know, but what about crying because our country is one step closer to single-party socialist rule?

          1. “You are not entitled to my vote!” they will yell as they are loaded into the cattle cars.

            1. Hazel doesn’t sound like the type to step onto a cattle car.

              1. If Hazel won’t get on the cattle car as directed, he will be summarily lined up against a wall and shot. While it is his right to run, he fails to understand that, from a Libertarian perspective, the Republican platform is much preferred to the Democrat platform. The reality is that one of them will win the Senate seat. Although I never liked Ted Kennedy’s political views, he did have a good quote, “Never let the perfect get in the way of the good”.

                1. Right on. Anyone who is truly libertarian-minded — and wields IQ pointage in the three-digits range — will ignore this shithead and vote GOP in this race. (Manifestly, the stakes are too high for a pointless “protest” vote.) Anyone who throws their vote away in this context is legit cretinous, and thus not dependable, to start with.
                  It’s thoroughly-fucking-pathetic that Reason Magazine pretends to be innocent of the ramifications of a Dem Senate.

            2. “Give me your tears. They are delicious”

              cry more man, or pick a better candidate next time to get more votes (same advice I gave to the Hillary crybabies)

              or fill some more barrels up

              1. (same advice I gave to the Hillary crybabies)

                You have no post history on this website until 3 days ago when the media decided that Biden won.

          2. They all could have voted Libertarian and then this wouldn’t be happening.

            And its more the Democrats to blame for us moving closer to a single-party socialist state – if they didn’t want that and didn’t insist on voting for candidates that want that then this wouldn’t be an issue and everyone could get back to ignoring the Libertarians.

            But no, instead of putting the blame where it belongs people want to lash out in anger at whoevers closest.

        2. “if you are crying because one of the major parties didn’t win, you are not a libertarian…..”

          If you think supporting the Libertarian Party is the definition of being a libertarian, then you’re a moron.

          1. P.S. If the Libertarian Party is actively enabling an authoritarian and socialist president to come to power, then the Libertarian Party isn’t libertarian or capitalist.

            1. You do nothing but worship the most comically tinpot banana Republican to ever exist, asshole. I’m more of a libertarian than you.

            2. Not getting in line behind MY authoritarian strongman is the same as enabling the other authoritarian strongman.

              Here’s a novel idea Republicans can try if they want to win elections: Don’t nominate serially bankrupt, scandal-ridden, New York democrat gameshow hosts and late night TV con men.

              1. Nobody running for Senate from Georgia remotely fit that description, you fbckin idiot

                1. Every Republican is Drumpf!

                1. Stop licking that windshield and eat this nice box of crayons. You and Harvey are perfect fits for the Marines, your IQ doesn’t exceed your combat boots size.

                  1. Correction Hazel. Bet he played hell with that name in Basic.

          2. not wanting people to vote for the libertarian because you blindly support one of the major parties….. makes you not a libertarian…. I’m sorry if you are too stupid to understand that, but it is the truth.

            1. So, kinda like how you shill for Biden?

              1. don’t like trump = shill for biden…… mindless follower logic.

        3. Such a dickhead, Doherty is. In a 2-party race, if you pull from both parties equally, you’re not a spoiler, just a drag on total votes going to both parties. If you do pull more from one party than the other—like the Greens do for the Democratic Party—then you are a spoiler, but only for that one party.

          The Democratic Party fought tooth and nail to kick the Greens off the ballot. Conversely, they didn’t care if Jo was there or not. Therefore, the Democratic Party must think that, if Libertarians are spoilers, they’re only spoilers for Republicans.

          So, if you’re bragging about acting as a spoiler, Doherty, it’s because you’re proud of helping stop Trump—and other Republicans, if you’re now bragging about Georgia Senate races—from getting elected. Which means you helped Biden, and every legislator he needs to help put anti-Liberty plans into practice, like gun control, the Green New Deal, and continuing public health restrictions on travel and business.

          Shame on you. Shame on this magazine.

          1. In Georgia it’s much more effective to run as a 3rd party candidate and force a run-off, than to just “spoil” the chances of Republican against a Democrat in some other state.

            The 50% threshold to prevent a run-off means that BOTH parties need to actively court the libertarian vote.

          2. “Therefore, the Democratic Party must think that, if Libertarians are spoilers, they’re only spoilers for Republicans.”

            According to the wise people who comment on this site, no libertarian would ever support a Republican since we’re all closet commies.

            So how can libertarians be liberal progressives and also be spoilers for Republicans?

            Doesn’t make any sense.

            1. Count the vote and stop the count. I rest my case.

              1. Stop the vote and count the count. In case I rest.

            2. So how can libertarians be liberal progressives and also be spoilers for Republicans?

              You’re Marxists because you support Marxism, and you’re sometimes spoilers for Republicans in local races because you mouth platitudes that appeal to old guard republicans and paleoconservaties. Fortunately the narrative is probably wrong. Libertarians don’t get enough votes from anybody besides alcoholic unemployed kooks like you to sway the election to one side or the other. It’s instructive, however, that the Libertarian candidate fancies himself a spoiler for Republicans and is proud of the fact that he may have contributed in some way to giving Joe Biden a senate majority to pass the Green New Deal, gun confiscation, the Paris climate treaty, and perpetual middle east wars.

    2. Give me your taxes! They are delicious.
      t. Democrat Senate

      1. Give me your tariffs! They are delicious.
        t. Democratic President for some reason running on the Republican ticket

        1. Now you get what you really want, good and hard.

          Your reactions to this election cement the decision I’d come to after reading Reason and libertarian commenters here to never again vote for a libertarian.
          Way to grow the brand.

        2. A 1% tariff on Scotch and French cheese is exactly the same as an 11 trillion dollar plan to federally mandate the end of fossil fuels.

    3. he is going to be the spoiler and give Georga to the dems. I wonder how much they are paying him

    4. “Give me your tears. They are delicious.”

      I don’t love this comment and thought it was immature for the LP Chairman to say the same thing 4 years ago. But I have to say that I’m skeptical of the sincerity of those who are complaining about it today. Especially when I’ve seen plenty of liberals, conservatives, and libertarian Trump supporters (more than a couple on this site) use almost the exact same phrase to taunt each other. Not you maybe. But I can’t take the complaint seriously.

      Regarding David Perdue himself. I don’t blame libertarians who didn’t excited about Perdue. A basic google search of Perdue’s record shows that he’s just a standard issue conservative Republican (foreign policy hawk, fiscally conservative when its convenient, etc.). I’m assuming if Perdue was more of a “Rand Paul” Republican then Hazel’s support among libertarian voters might’ve gone down, assuming that most (or a significant %) of Hazel’s support came from libertarians.

      Anyway now that the race is in a runoff, libertarian voters in Georgia should now consider voting for Perdue in a two man race. Perdue is definitely not a libertarian but he’s still better than Ossoff.

  3. Biden will enjoy his tears.

    1. Uncle Joe-sama enjoys young women with hair.

      1. Seems completely normal. Do you have a bald fetish or something?

        1. Holocaust themed porn with shaved, thin women does exist in Israel. With a shaved head, Gal Gadot could be the #1 star in Israeli pornography.

          1. If she did porn she’d probably be #1 in a lot of places, hair or no.

            1. I prefer buxomy Litvaks, like Kat Dennings, to a spooky skeletons. Who needs a xylophone when Gal’s ribcage will suffice?

    2. I think these are TDS victims who for whatever reason either can’t or don’t pair the choices we make with different consequences.

      If Biden is elected, Trump’s plan to withdraw from Afghanistan is in serious doubt.

      If Biden is elected, the economy will probably be socialized under the auspices of the Green New Deal.

      If Biden is elected, he has promised to come after our gun rights.

      If Biden is elected, he is promising to introduce a “public option” like Medicare to address COVID-19.

      If Biden is elected, he is promising to bail out the states.

      If Biden is elected, people like him will be the reason why these things happen.

      There doesn’t seem to be any recognition of that at all.

      1. Your replacement will be a joy, bigot.

        Enjoy the rest of getting stomped by your betters in the culture war.

        1. Do you see anything I listed as being about the culture war?

          Are you drunk?

          1. He is not drunk. He is a leftist shit.

            1. Are you sure he’s not just a bot?

              His responses don’t seem to have any connection to what was said.

              He might just be a bot with a list of canned responses.

        2. Will America become an Afro-Islamic caliphate like Europe or an anarcho-narco-nacho state like Mexico?

          1. It depends on if the military gets involved in the civil war before or after january.

        3. Wash yourself, can’t you smell that?!

      2. Will BiDS become a thing?

        1. Are you suggesting that what I said about his looming policy goals aren’t true?

          Have you even read what he’s promised to do on his website(s)?

        2. Given the number of posts I’ve seen here promising that Biden will usher in a totalitarian USSA where all libertarians get shipped off to re-education camps, I’d say it already has.

          1. Are you being sarcastic? I haven’t seen a single post that claims that.

            I hope you’re being sarcastic, but the other likely explanation is that you’re a stupid asshole. You’d be so stupid, you ignored all the actual things I listed that Biden has promised to do and made up some bullshit!

            Do you really not believe that Biden promised to do those things?

            1. Have you not read Nardz, et al?

              It’s all over the place.

              It’s in this very thread.

          2. “Given the number of posts I’ve seen here promising that Biden will usher in a totalitarian USSA where all libertarians get shipped off to re-education camps . . .

            If you’re not being sarcastic, could you link to one of those “number of posts”?

            1. Sure thing. Here’s one from this very article.

              https://reason.com/2020/11/10/libertarian-shane-hazel-is-proud-to-be-a-spoiler-in-georgia-senate-race/#comment-8575822

              If that’s not enough for you, I’d be happy to provide more examples. Hell, I’d say any “stupid asshole” could look over the comment threads from the past few days and find plenty of similar posts.

              1. There’s this thing called hyperbole. No one is making that argument seriously. Incidentally, no one is really calling for us to put anybody through “woodchippers” either. We call ourselves things like “woodchipper nation” because idiots like Preet Bahara weren’t smart enough to tell the difference between hyperbole and violent threats.

                It’s hyperbole.

                Meanwhile, the list I made didn’t include any of that at all.

                If Biden is elected, Trump’s plan to withdraw from Afghanistan is in serious doubt.

                If Biden is elected, the economy will probably be socialized under the auspices of the Green New Deal.

                If Biden is elected, he has promised to come after our gun rights.

                If Biden is elected, he is promising to introduce a “public option” like Medicare to address COVID-19.

                If Biden is elected, he is promising to bail out the states.

                All of these things are true, not hyperbole, and If Biden is elected, voters like Hazel will be the reason why these things happened.

                1. If you haven’t read Biden’s campaign website, you really should.

                  He’s laid it all out there.

                  You can start with his assault on our gun rights here:

                  https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/

                  He’s promising to revoke the immunity of gun manufacturers so that they become liable for the crimes that are committed with their guns. He’s promising to reinstate the assault weapons ban and start tracking the assault weapons that are currently in circulation. He’s promising to ban the sale of guns and ammo online. He’s promising to start a nationwide gun confiscation program.

                  That is not Biden Derangement Syndrome. That is Biden’s campaign website.

                2. Here’s Biden promising the Green New Deal–to reorganize our economy around climate change goals and social justice.

                  “Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected.”

                  https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

                  Have you even read what Biden is promising to do?

                3. No one is making that argument seriously.
                  Says you. It’s hyperbole until you have the same posters saying the same thing over and over for days on end. If they mean it to be hyperbole, they’re doing a shit job at selling it.

                  Are you really implying that one side of the political aisle is immune from the “X” Derangement Syndromes that have existed for decades now with each new administration? Come off it.

                  1. Why don’t you address his points?
                    If you disagree with him, don’t just point at other people who are more wrong.

                    1. He doesn’t address my points because he can’t, and it’s probably either because this is the first time he’s bothered to look at what Biden has promised to do or because I have accurately described Biden’s promises.

                    2. Because that wasn’t the question. The question was whether Biden Derangement Syndrome exists, which it clearly does. Not in Ken, though I think he overestimates the amount that Biden will be able to get done. But if you think that Biden will usher in a Stalinist USA, yes, you have BDS.

                    3. “If you think Biden will do what he said he is going to do you have BDS!”

                      Hurrrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

                4. Here’s Biden on his transition team website promising to introduce the Medicare “public option”–to combat COVID-19. It’s right under the part about making mask wearing mandatory nationwide.

                  “Once we succeed in getting beyond this pandemic, we must ensure that the millions of Americans who suffer long-term side effects from COVID don’t face higher premiums or denial of health insurance because of this new pre-existing condition. The Biden-Harris Administration will work to ensure that the protections for those with pre-existing conditions that were won with Obamacare are protected. And, they will work to lower health care costs and expand access to quality, affordable health care through a Medicare-like public option.”

                  https://buildbackbetter.com/priorities/covid-19/

                  If you voted for Jo Jorgenson, this is what you effectively voted for.

                  And there isn’t anything deranged about my perspective of Biden. I’m just speaking the truth.

                  After Biden disarms us to the best of his ability, tries to reorganize our economy from Washington by way of the Green New Deal, and does his best to destroy private insurance with his “public option”, don’t get too offended if you see people making jokes about him sending us off in trains. Considering what Biden is promising to do, the hyperbole is a natural punchline.

                  1. we get it….. you can’t defend trump…. you wanted everyone to vote for him, but you can only talk about Biden.

                    1. This thread has a topic, and the topic is about Libertarians enabling this shit in the name of libertarian capitalism.

                      All of the items I listed are also about Trump. They’re in contrast to Trump.

                      Trump negotiated a withdrawal deal with the Taliban to get us out of Afghanistan completely by the end of April.

                      Trump called the Green New Deal an insane plot to destroy the American economy.

                      In the wake of the Las Vegas shooting, Trump gave a bumpstock ban. Not perfect, but far better than can be expected from any Democrat.

                      In regards to health, Trump did everything he could to get the Republicans in the Senate to sign a bill that would have cut $772 billion from Medicaid–the first president I’m aware of to publicly fight for a socialist entitlement program.

                      https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52849

                      In regards to bailing out the states, Trump single-handedly killed a $3.5 trillion stimulus bill–specifically because it bailed out California, Illinois, and New York from their out of control unfunded state pension liabilities.

                      All of these positions are far more libertarian and capitalist than Biden’s policies–many of which are downright authoritarian and socialist.

                    2. We get it. You can’t refute that Biden is a fucking fascist but you still want to suck his dick because you’re a piece of subhuman shit authoritarian bootlicker.

                      The only consolation is that you’ll actually be killed first. The purges always come for the vanguard. You’ll also be defenseless because you’re an unarmed spineless quivering fucking pussy. When Biden’s contact tracing gestapo heads out for the hillfolk they had better come heavily armed and send bachelors.

                    3. When Biden’s contact tracing gestapo heads out for the hillfolk they had better come heavily armed and send bachelors.

                      I was going to respond to this, but Ken assures me you’re just engaging in hyperbole and aren’t actually serious. Good one, man!

                  2. If you voted for Jo Jorgenson, this is what you effectively voted for.

                    I live in Texas, so you can fuck right off with that shit.

                    And there isn’t anything deranged about my perspective of Biden. I’m just speaking the truth.

                    I never said there was. I said that BDS does exist among people who think that we’re on the verge of totalitarianism, because we aren’t. Not everybody who objected to Trump’s policies had TDS, and the same goes for Biden. This really isn’t complicated.

                    After Biden disarms us to the best of his ability, tries to reorganize our economy from Washington by way of the Green New Deal, and does his best to destroy private insurance with his “public option”

                    Assuming, of course, that any of that happens. Remember when Trump was gonna build a wall? Remember when Trump, with a Republican party that controlled both houses of Congress, was gonna get rid of Obamacare?

                    Considering what Biden is promising to do, the hyperbole is a natural punchline.

                    Except when it’s not hyperbole. I ask again, do you really think that (insert President here) Derangement Syndrome only affects one side of the political aisle?

                    1. “I live in Texas, so you can fuck right off with that shit.”

                      You knew which way Texas was going before the election, did you?

                      “Assuming, of course, that any of that happens. Remember when Trump was gonna build a wall? Remember when Trump, with a Republican party that controlled both houses of Congress, was gonna get rid of Obamacare?”

                      Trump kept his promises to the best of his ability. He fought like hell for that wall–initiated the longest government shutdown in history over that wall.

                      https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/25/trump-shutdown-announcement-1125529

                      Am I supposed to feel better about Biden not keeping his promises like that?

                      In regards to ObamaCare, Trump fought like hell to get rid of that, too. I linked to bill he pushed–couldn’t get support from his own party. He took out everything he could by way of executive orders.

                      That doesn’t make me feel better about Biden not keeping his promises either.

                      Meanwhile, Trump promised to work with Putin to defeat ISIS in Syria, which he did. Trump promised to launch a trade war with China, which he did. Trump promised to renegotiate NAFTA, which he did.

                      Pointing to Trump’s record of promise keeping shouldn’t make anybody assume that Biden won’t do his best to keep his promises, too.

                    2. You knew which way Texas was going before the election, did you?

                      I had a pretty good feeling, yes. But you’re right, I didn’t know for sure, and surprising election results do happen. I suppose by that logic nobody should ever vote third party.

                      Am I supposed to feel better about Biden not keeping his promises like that?

                      I’m pointing out that when looking at what the future may hold for a Biden presidency, we should keep in mind both what Biden has said he wants to do and what he actually will have the political ability to do.

                      Which is all beside my original point, which is that BDS is a real thing, just like TDS was a real thing. That’s really all I was saying.

                    3. Am I supposed to feel better about Biden not keeping his promises like that?

                      Yes, that’s his entire argument. That Biden is a liar who won’t do what he says he will do, so it’s totes OK that he vocally supported him and is sucking his flaccid, wrinkled, 90 year old cock on a continuous basis.

                    4. so it’s totes OK that he vocally supported him and is sucking his flaccid, wrinkled, 90 year old cock on a continuous basis.

                      lol nope. Never supported Biden, never will.

        3. BDS was a thing as soon as it was clear he would be the nominee.

          1. Hannity, Lou Dobbs, Alex Jones, Brietbart are spewing deranged bs 24/7/365.

            1. Tell us more about the Russian collusion for which Trump was going to be charged with treason, shreek.

      3. Hazel wasn’t running against Biden. He was running against a Republican with a 20% pro-freedom ranking. And you’re complaining.

      4. Cartmantears.gif lulzlulz troll

      5. Ken,

        If a politician promised me an investment was worthless, I’d double down. Can Biden do worse than printing and pissing away $3 trillion in stimulus in a few months? Probably, but there’s also a fair chance the whole ambitious agenda fails under its own weight, a hostile judiciary, a Republican Senate, and in-fighting with progressives. It will be a slightly different shit show, but the Biden administration will log four years without getting much done.

        1. “There’s also a fair chance the whole ambitious agenda fails under its own weight, a hostile judiciary, a Republican Senate, and in-fighting with progressives.”

          One of the differences between Trump’s situation and Biden’s is that Trump was more radical in many ways than the Republicans in Congress. In regards to ObamaCare, for instance, Trump pushed like hell to get them to repeal it in its entirety. He also pushed a reform bill that would have cut $772 billion from the ObamaCare Medicaid expansion. The Republicans wouldn’t budge. Trump was more radical than they were.

          That isn’t the case with Biden. Biden’s promised policies are awful from a libertarian capitalist perspective, but as bad as they are, the Democrats in Congress are more radical than Biden. The Democrats in Congress won’t be pushing back against Biden’s demands. They’ll be demanding that Biden do more than he wants. In other words, Biden probably won’t face that kind of resistance.

          P.S. Now that the biggest issue in the Georgia senate races is control of the senate, it seems to me that the more likely outcomes are either that the Republicans win both or the Republicans lose both. We shouldn’t count those chickens before they’re hatched.

          1. Respectfully, Ken, it feels like you are having a “Princess and the Pea” moment. Even if the Democrats take the Senate (big if), there’s enough in-fighting to slow every legislative initiative to a crawl (thankfully). And the Democrats have to face the fact that there was no blue wave and midterms are two years away. If the Democrats can muster enough political will and focus to grant statehood to Puerto Rico and DC, OK. That might prompt me to furrow my brow a tiny bit. Biden is an institutionalist. Harris is an opportunist. I’m not saying some things won’t change for the worse, but neither side is a friend to individual liberty or economic freedom. The ship is slowly sinking. It doesn’t matter who’s leading the band.

            1. “And the Democrats have to face the fact that there was no blue wave and midterms are two years away.”

              Historically, the president’s party takes a beating in the House in a new president’s first midterm. Here are all those first term midterms going back to 1910.

              First column is House seats won/lost. The last column is what I see as the dominant issue(s) of that midterm.

              +9 1934 Franklin D. Roosevelt Great Depression Response
              +8 2002 George W. Bush 9/11
              -4 1962 John F. Kennedy Cuban Missile Crisis
              -8 1990 George H. W. Bush USSR Falls, Operation Desert Shield
              -9 1926 Calvin Coolidge 1st Midterm in 2nd Term (Harding Died)
              -12 1970 Richard Nixon Vietnam, Kent State
              -15 1978 Jimmy Carter Energy Crisis, Inflation
              -18 1954 Dwight D Eisenhower McCarthyism
              -22 1918 Woodrow Wilson Broken Promise not to Enter WWI
              -26 1982 Ronald Reagan Recession
              -47 1966 Lyndon B. Johnson Great Society, Civil Rights Act
              -48 1974 Gerald Ford Nixon Pardoned
              -52 1930 Herbert Hoover Smoot-Hawley Tariff, Great Depression
              -54 1946 Harry S Truman Labor Unrest, Price Controls
              -54 1994 Bill Clinton Gun Control, HillaryCare
              -57 1910 William Taft Republican/Progressives Split
              -63 2010 Barack Obama TARP, ObamaCare
              -77 1922 Warren Harding Republican/Progressive Split

              The median is -24 House seats lost.

              The average is -31`House seats lost.

              The moral of the story is that the Democrats are extremely likely to lose the House in 2022 regardless of whether there were a blue wave. The issue doesn’t even matter. The more radical the new president’s agenda, the bigger the backlash, but no matter what, the median is such that the president’s party will take a beating in the House because partisans on the other side make a point of going to the polls in a non-presidential midterm just to vote against the president.

              . . . unless they’re Libertarians, I guess.

              Meanwhile, I remain convinced (after polling people in their 70s and 80s) that Biden has no intention of crisscrossing the country in a non-pandemic election cycle in 2024 at his age. He’ll probably retire after the 2022 midterms.

              What does it say in the Bible?

              “Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

              —-Revelation 12:12

              They’re on a kamikaze mission.

              1. At the risk of sounding pedantic, kamikaze pilots knew they were committing suicide and did so out of some sense of higher purpose. What both political parties are doing looks like kamikaze mission from the outside (and honestly, the plane they are crashing is a country), but deep down they believe they will live, prevail, vanquish the evil “other” and save all of us. Put simply, they are delusional. All of them. As for Revelation, the only time I enjoyed it was when it was referenced on the short-lived television series, “Millennium.”

                1. The point was that knowing they only have a small window in which to do their worst doesn’t make them more reluctant to act. They know they”re losing the House in two years anyway. That’s a given.

                  Biden probably doesn’t anticipate facing the voters ever again.

                  That’s a guy and a party who’s not worried about surviving his mission. The party even more so now that the Democratic party is being driven by people in deep blue districts these days.

                  Did you know that Nancy Pelosi has already announced that this will be her last term as Speaker?

                  https://www.rollcall.com/2018/12/12/pelosi-agrees-to-deal-limiting-her-speakership-to-4-years/

                  Among the Democratic leadership, who’s worried about losing the next election anymore?

        2. Libertarians for faith in Top Men!

    3. he is certainly enjoying yours

      jesus you are a whiney crybaby

      1. Tell us more about Hillary won the popular vote and got the election stolen from her by the Russkies, shreek.

  4. “I don’t really care what most people think of me as long as I’m standing on principle.”

    Everything wrong with libertarians wrapped up neatly in one sentence. People that refuse to compromise on anything have no business being in politics and will continue to be nothing more than spoilers.

    1. People that refuse to compromise on anything have no business being in politics and will continue to be nothing more than spoilers.

      Did you read the article? We’re reveling in that role!

      Either embrace us or stop counting on our votes. It’s really quite simple.

      1. Revel away.

        And, enjoy Biden.

        Justin Amash wasn’t enough of a cautionary tale, was he? That is the inevitable fate of all libertarians in politics.

        1. Geiger, they’re addicted to losing. Just like a compulsive gambler. Only, they want to lose ‘with principle’.

          Trump’s been the most Libertarian President for what he’s actually accomplished, since Reagan’s first term. Ken has gone on at length about Trump’s accomplishments, in foreign policy, vetoing the worst of the bailouts, deregulating businesses, working for some badly needed reforms in the criminal justice system.

          It’s not enough for these people, and you know what? It never will be. There is zero point to appealing to the pure Libertarian chunk of the electorate, because nothing a candidate can actually do (versus merely promise, if you’re Jorgensen) will ever be enough for them to vote for you.

          LOfuckingL at the thought stated here that Trump would deschedule pot on his way out the door. Why would he ever do that for you? You wouldn’t have voted for him if he did it for you in October—because it still wouldn’t have been enough to sway you away from the LP candidate—so why would he bother to do your group a favor now?

          It’s a party addicted to losing, and feeling good about not getting involved. I’ve spent way too much time here.

        2. Amash played it the right way, until he didn’t.
          He infiltrated one of the two ancient parties, won the primary, and built up some pro-freedom leverage in Congress.
          Then he squandered it by joining a doomed attempt to impeach Trump and losing his home support in the process.

          1. This I can agree with.

            1. And yet you still continue to defend everything Amash has ever said or done in his entire career, despite his having absolutely not one single accomplishment that advanced liberty in his entire time in congress. He threw a temper tantrum because his daddy’s Chinese tool import business got dinged by Trump’s tariffs and decided to fuck off his joke of a political career for it at the 11th hour when his district was about to be obliterated. And this is literally the most accomplished libertarian politician in American history. Lmfao.

      2. Either embrace us or stop counting on our votes. It’s really quite simple.

        Are you going to shut the hell up when the only viable candidates you can muster are squish RINOs that give precisely zero shits about your libertarian principles?

        Because until the party comes up with some real principles other than “We aren’t Team R *or* Team D.” it is literally nothing besides a spoiler vote.

    2. Tell us more about how terrible libertarians are and how Biden won only because libertarians didn’t vote for the Republican like they were supposed to.

      1. I will. That is exactly what happened. Enjoy Biden, Puerile.

        1. Tell us more about how libertarians are the property of Republicans, just like blacks and gays are the property of Democrats.

          1. They are not the property of Republicans, Puerile.

            Learn to fucking read.

            1. That is exactly what you are saying, law student. You are saying that Republican own the libertarian vote, and by extension the people themselves. You consider people to be property of political parties.

              1. It is not what I am saying at all, Puerile.

                1. It is logically equivalent.

                  1. It is not.

                    1. I bet you say that all day long on the playground with the other children.

                    2. Nice comeback, Puerile.

                      Enjoy Biden.

                  2. Meanwhile you regurgitating Democratic Underground talking points 12-16 hours a day in a drunken stupor while you cash your welfare checks and eat yourself into a diabetic coma on your food stamps is, you routinely assure us, merely sarcasm and fierce independence of political thought.

      2. C’mon Sarc. You know (as Zeb pointed out yesterday) that we are simultaneously irrelevant, closet Marxists, and spoilers.

        Now get out there and do your irrelevant, Marxist duty and vote Republican!

        1. Not simultaneously.

          But all three groups, in various proportions.

          1. Again I’ll ask… if we are Marxists “in various proportions” then why do you think we should vote for Republicans? You simply can’t get out of your own way on this one.

            Anything to take away blame from Trump for losing to a senile old man. Like anything to take away blame for Hillary losing to a narcissistic old man.

            1. “Again I’ll ask… if we are Marxists “in various proportions” then why do you think we should vote for Republicans? You simply can’t get out of your own way on this one.”

              You’re a special brand of fucking stupid and dishonest.

              Go back and read what I wrote, try to comprehend it, and try again.

              1. You’re really good at holding things that are mutually incompatible as both being true simultaneously.
                Leo can’t be both stupid *and* dishonest, because he has to be intelligent to understand your argument in order to represent it dishonestly.
                A Marxist who votes Libertarian isn’t spoiling things for the Republican, because if they *didn’t* vote third party, they certainly wouldn’t be voting for the Republican. Unless you know the ‘various proportions’ you’re claiming exist, you have no idea whether libertarian voters spoiled Perdue’s victory or Ossoff’s.
                I suggest you go back, read what you wrote, and try to comprehend why Leo and Sarc are both criticizing your argument.

                1. This was the stupidest, intelligent take I’ve ever read. You are a genius, moron.

                2. There are socialists, capitalists, and pure libertarians that vote LP and identify as libertarians.

                  But, this was not my point. My point was that of the libertarians that would not have voted for Biden had they not voted for Jorgensen, they SHOULD HAVE voted for Trump.

                  I have made this point clear so many times.

                  And, now cornered, you are going to pivot it “Well, then every Republican should have voted for Jorgensen.”

                  You people are being deliberately obtuse.

                3. “Leo can’t be both stupid *and* dishonest, because he has to be intelligent to understand your argument in order to represent it dishonestly.”

                  Yes, he can.

            2. Look. If you choose to not vote, or choose to vote for someone other than the Republican or Democrat, what you are actually doing is deliberately casting a for the Democrat. If you don’t vote, or vote Libertarian, then you want the Democrat to win. You’re a fucking commie if you don’t vote for the Republican. Duh.

              1. “If you choose to not vote, or choose to vote for someone other than the Republican or Democrat, what you are actually doing is deliberately casting a for the Democrat.”

                Yes.

                1. By the same logic lowering taxes is a gift, and ending a government program is theft.

                  1. By the same logic, you’re puerile, Puerile.

                    Enjoy Biden.

                    1. The guy who is credits the Democrat win to people who didn’t vote for Democrats is calling me childish. That’s pretty funny.

                    2. Yes, Puerile.

                      Recognize the realities of politics in this country. Or don’t, and enjoy Biden.

                    3. I just want to be clear here. Sitting at home and not voting equals actively casting a vote for a Democrat, and actively casting a vote for neither the Democrat nor the Republican equals actively casting a vote for a Democrat.

                      So not only does inaction equal action, but certain actions equal the opposite of those actions.

                      So if I choose not to buy Pepsi or Coke I will find Coke in my fridge, and if I buy 7Up I will again find Coke in my fridge.

                    4. Enjoy Biden.

                    5. *looks in fridge, doesn’t see any Coke*

                  2. No, quite literally that ballot you didn’t fill out got filled out by Democrats a day or two after the election.

                    1. Riiiight. Trump lost not because people voted against him or chose not to vote for him, but because the other team cheated.

                    2. He got higher turnout than last time. You’re going to have to do better than “hurrrrrrrrrrr all the republicans stayed at home durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr” to explain away thousands of irregularities, “glitches”, “clerical errors” and “software updates” that all shifted hundreds of thousands of votes to Biden simultaneously in the dead of night on election day after the Republican poll watchers were physically ejected from the premises you stupid motherfucker.

            3. Man, Trump is prolific. He ran for senator from Georgia AND president in the same year!

    3. “I don’t really care what most people think of me as long as I’m standing on principle.”

      There isn’t anything principled about enabling a president to take power when he’s advocating authoritarianism and socialism.

      He wasn’t being principled at all. He was being partisan!

      Principled is when you stand by libertarian capitalism even when it’s hard to do so.

      Refusing to defend libertarian capitalism from a presidential candidate who is promising to be authoritarian and socialist isn’t principled. It’s selling our principles short.

      1. Standing by libertarian principles mean voting for a guy who is opposes free trade, opposes immigration, and opposes the free press?

        1. Trump is bad on all of three of those issues, but Biden is as bad or worse on all three.

          1) Trade is a wash between the two of them.

          2) Biden’s goals on immigration are better–but he wants to do it by unconstitutional means.

          3) I would argue that Trump forcing social media companies to tolerate the speech of conservatives is superior, from a libertarian perspective, to Biden forcing social media companies to censor the speech of conservatives under the guise of hate speech and conspiracy theories.

          In fact, the best libertarian case for Biden is that he’s just as bad as Trump on trade. Trump beats Biden on every other issue I can think of–not just the tree in your list.

          1. P.S. Anyone who won’t stand up for the principles of libertarian capitalism if it means voting for Trump isn’t a principled libertarian.

            Anyone who would suffer Biden’s “public option”, Biden’s war on guns, stay in Afghanistan forever, and suffer Biden’s Green New Deal–rather than vote for Trump–is not a principled libertarian capitalist.

            1. I’ll worry about Biden taking my guns as soon as Trump finishes his wall.

              1. I don’t see the connection between the two.

                Because Trump failed at one of his promises, Biden will fail at all of his awful promises, too?

                Trump promised to work with Putin to defeat ISIS in Syria. Trump promised to renegotiate NAFTA. Trump promised to launch a trade war on China.

              2. You can’t own guns because of the criminal record you admitted to having here multiple times. You probably also couldn’t pass a psych screening because of your time as a mentally ill homeless man, which you have also admitted to multiple times.

                Those of us who actually have something to lose by a gestapo authorized to murder people to take away their constitutionally protected property want more than the hope of the political ineptitude of a single-party state you bootlicking piece of shit.

            2. “Anyone who would suffer Biden’s “public option”, Biden’s war on guns, stay in Afghanistan forever, and suffer Biden’s Green New Deal–rather than vote for Trump–is not a principled libertarian capitalist.”

              Look at who you are talking to – Leo, Sarc, Squirlsy, et al.

              Nobody in the right mind thinks these people are free market libertarians. They, like the author of this piece, are varying degrees of progressive statists who want government to ‘give’ them whatever ‘freedoms’ they think their due.

              1. They’re resentful losers who define themselves by their Both Sidez faith, who lack the intellectual ability to analyze any situation beyond the most superficial take.

                1. beyond the most superficial take.

                  Like the LP votes are more than the margin; blame the libertarians!

                  1. I’ve explicitly rejected that assertion numerous times, but here you are using it as if it’s some kind of rebuttal to me.
                    This demonstrates my point.

              2. You’re arguing with the voices in your head again.

                1. No, you just rarely remember what you’ve said from one to the next because of your alcoholism. The good news is that Biden’s public option will cover your preexisting cirrhosis of the liver. The bad news is you’ll have to wait 3 years to get your medication.

      2. Technically, “principled” can be standing by any principle. And being “principled” does not require one to tilt at every windmill. One of the nice things about small “l” is that it is not necessary to fight and die on every hill, just the ones one chooses.

      3. Jesus, Ken, relax~

    4. How do you compromise on liberty? You either have it or you don’t.

      1. For libertarians there is the ideal of liberty (on which they will never compromise) and the reality of liberty (on which they will readily compromise, in practice).

        See this election

  5. He campaigned against lockdowns?

    That certainly puts him at odds with that bastion of libertarianism: REASON.

    1. Maybe, might’ve been enough to get me to vote for him if I lived in Georgia though. Most libertarian candidates were pretty good on that point, from what I saw.

    2. His message, when he could get it out, made the liberty-destroying injustice of the lockdowns supported by Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp, a Republican, front and center.

      Yikes. I can’t imagine why Republicans are losing majorities in Georgia.

      1. Republicans enjoy the taste of boot polish.

        1. I’m sure you’ll teach yourself to enjoy it as much as you imagine Rs to

        2. That’s why you showed them who’s boss by supporting a president who wants a federal lockdown rather than leaving it up to the states. Because you’re such a principled Marxist cunt.

      2. Georgia was the least locked-down state other than South Dakota or Wyoming. You cant be this stupid, it was all over the news every day how Kemp and Desantis were evil mass murderers

        1. Georgia resident here. The mayor was raising legal challenges against mayors in his state on the topic of mask mandates. The Blues here have been claiming he’s trying to get African Americans killed because he doesn’t want to force masks and lockdowns on the population. His staunch anti-lockdown stance could actually be a big part of the reason there was such huge democratic turnout in the state.

          He’s done about everything a libertarian could reasonably expect during the lockdown. He’s been a strong driver of personal responsibility-that is, he’s publicly advocated for people to wear masks but refused to pass a law.

          1. The governor, you mean.

            Kemp fought lockdowns. Democrats pushes them.

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  7. I am glad this tactical welfare queen is able to rely on the American taxpayer for his housing, educate, and healthcare while simultaneously helping create a progressive Democrat controlled Senate that will aid President Joe Biden in implementing his legislative agenda! God bless the Marines! Hoo-haaa!

    1. I don’t think you can buy crayons with food stamps, so not sure where he’ll get his preferred food from.

  8. “People that refuse to compromise on anything have no business being in politics and will continue to be nothing more than spoilers.”
    Woah. Isn’t this why much of the conservatives here hate people like McCain, Collins, Murkowski, Roberts, Romney and others they call “rinos?” We need to sort out compromising “toward more liberty” and compromising always in the direction of less liberty.
    Perhaps there is something the Georgia GOP could promise the Libertarians in exchange for their votes in the run-off?? I don’t think that repeating “Well, fuck you guys” is going to work with too many.

    1. What is the Libertarian position on NAMbLA?

      1. Reason has been running apologia for pedophiles for at least 15 years.

    2. They don’t have to promise Libertarian voters anything at least half will vote in the runoff and they’ll cast ballots for Republicans. It’s like that “ranked choice” spread over 2 elections.

      1. That’s one thing I like about runoff elections. You get the results of ranked choice, without having to explain the process to people with room temperature IQs.

    3. if people keep voting for Republican Senators with 20% pro-liberty records, they deserve the Senate they get too

  9. the lock downs were a good libertarian rally point….. too bad we let ourselves get drowned out by the morons who wanted to promote irresponsible behavior on that issue. the goal should have been everyone doing what they chose to do voluntarily, but somehow the whole thing devolved into a shit-show dominated by ridiculous claims that masks do nothing and there is no reason for anyone to do anything.

    1. irresponsible behavior = lockdowns

      1. irresponsible behavior = actively encouraging people to do stupid shit

        there is a difference between saying the government should not be able to force you to stay home and pretending 10,000 person rallies without face coverings are a good idea.

        1. stupid shit = bowing down to covid fear mongering

          Why do leftists pretend to be anything other than leftists?
          Because you know you don’t have strength of argument in your position, so you must trick people by falsely claiming that you’re coming from the same perspective.

          1. why do retards think that anything less than doing absolutely nothing is the same as illegal mandates? why is saying it is wrong to be irresponsible “bowing down?” must i pass out crack pipes at grade schools to believe the government should not punish people for using it?

        2. You were always welcome to hide in your doom bunker like the pathetic mewling pussy that you are. Nobody was ever stopping you from doing that. If your masks and hand sanitizer are the panacea you tell us they are, you had literally nothing to worry about from other people going about their lives while you hid out like a pathetic mewling pussy.

          1. you miss the point…. calling people a pussy because they do the smart thing makes you stupid and an asshole…… and that has nothing to do with whether the government mandates anything. does your anti-drug war plan include passing out crack pipes at grade schools?

    2. ridiculous claims that masks do nothing

      Supported by literally every study conducted on the topic from 1910 until June of 2020.

      1. Also supported by the numbers for this pandemic in terms of mask compliance and the progression of the outbreak. Compare the charts across various countries and US states. There is zero correlation between mask use and case numbers.

      2. except the ones that actually exist.

  10. I’m sorry, but if Perdue can’t convince enough people to vote for him, why is that Hazel’s problem?

    Some of you are beginning to sound like Democrats: “Why didn’t you people vote for my candidate? Don’t you know what’s in your best interest?”

    1. Biden is in the best interest of libertarians.

      1. I guess some people in Georgia thought that libertarians were in the best interest of libertarians. Can you explain why Perdue couldn’t convince them otherwise?

        1. And now they will enjoy Biden. Because they were not getting 100% of what they wanted, they will not get 100% of what they do not want.

          1. That seems awfully simplistic.

            Remember Democrats in 2016? No introspection, just “how could you vote for him? Can’t you see how stupid that was?”

            Republicans here in 2020: No introspection, just “how could you vote for him? Can’t you see how stupid that was?”

          2. Getting 100% of what we wanted was never on the ballot. My libertarian “spoiler” votes are about getting the Republicans to hopefully recognize that a contingent of their “would-be” voters is turned off by their authoritarian slate of candidates.

            Duverger’s Law is real. The best way for me to impact national politics is to work on changing the Republican Party to be more like Amash, Massie, and Paul than it is like Trump, McConnell, and Graham. I’m not going to accomplish that by rubber-stamping Trump, McConnell, and Graham because they might be less authoritarian than their democrat challengers. It was precisely election losses that gave us Amash, Massie, and Paul in the first place otherwise we’d be talking about voting against the party candidates who ran against them.

            Maybe the Republicans will look at LP candidates covering their margins and learn from this, rather than scapegoating their current slate of less authoritarian candidates. It’s doubtful, but possible.

            1. You got it backwards: it’s the existence of a more centrist third party candidate that causes the major candidates to become more extreme. Running less authoritarian candidates is the wrong strategy for any part of you have an LP candidate mopping up the pro liberty vote.

              1. Who’s talking about centrists? Libertarians are just a different extreme if you can think at least 2 dimensionally.

                Rubber stamping Trump moves the Overton Window of Republican Party politics in the wrong direction on trade, bailouts, government spending, and collectivist nationalism. I refuse to endorse candidates that move the Republican Party in that direction because as that window moves further and further there is no chance of getting the old GOP back. It might be too late anyway.

                1. Who’s talking about centrists? Libertarians are just a different extreme if you can think at least 2 dimensionally.

                  Policy-wise, libertarians are socially liberal and fiscally conservative, i.e., between Republicans and Democrats. It doesn’t matter how many dimensions you think in, that means that adding a libertarian candidate will push the R and D candidates to be more extreme.

                  1. David Nolan would like a word. Although I guess by this logic you could also say that Republicans and Democrats are halfway between libertarians and authoritarians.

                    1. It doesn’t matter how you choose to conceptualize the space of political ideologies; what matters is that LP voters sometimes might vote Republicans and sometimes might vote Democrat. That’s the premise of this article and it’s your premise.

                      Your hope is that “Maybe the Republicans will look at LP candidates covering their margins and learn from this”. I’m saying that, depending on the voting system, this is an unlikely outcome. In fact, the entry of a libertarian party into a political contest might well result in less libertarian outcomes, depending on the details of voter preferences, voter behavior, and voting system.

                2. Yeah why couldn’t Trump bring us back to the good ol’ days of the GOP run by neocon warmongers starting and perpetuating middle east conflicts to benefit the military industrial complex while spying on the communications of every living American?

              2. Running less authoritarian candidates is the wrong strategy for any part of you have an LP candidate mopping up the pro liberty vote.

                By the way, if Republicans had nominated Rand Paul in 2016, I suspect we wouldn’t be talking about spoiler votes at all here. While I don’t agree with everything that Paul does, that’s where I want the Republican Party to go. Trump is the wrong direction on many, many issues.

                Whether Paul could win nationally is a different question. But IF you think you need libertarian votes to win, there are options within the party to accomplish that already. You rejected them already.

                1. Is there any actual evidence the Libertarian Party would have not run a candidate in 2016 for president, if Rand was the Republican nomination?

                  1. Is it possible to have actual evidence of a completely hypothetical situation?

                    I know this libertarian would have voted for Rand Paul in 2016 regardless of who the LP put up as a candidate. I’m sure there are plenty of others. Given the LP’s obsession with Ron Paul, it’s certainly conceivable that they would have endorsed Rand.

                    1. I know this libertarian would have voted for Rand Paul in 2016

                      Do you have a libertarian in your pocket, or???

                2. By the way, if Republicans had nominated Rand Paul in 2016, I suspect we wouldn’t be talking about spoiler votes at all here.

                  Correct, because Clinton would have been president. Rand Paul may be a better candidate than Trump in terms of policy, but he didn’t and doesn’t have what it takes to stand up to withering attacks by progressives and socialists.

                  Whether Paul could win nationally is a different question.

                  No, it’s the central question.

                  But IF you think you need libertarian votes to win, there are options within the party to accomplish that already. You rejected them already.

                  Most libertarian votes are not found in the LP. In fact, I guess that the majority of the actual LP membership isn’t libertarian but socialist.

                  1. I guess that the majority of the actual LP membership isn’t libertarian but socialist.

                    So these LP votes were “spoilers” for Democrats then. Hillary would have won if not for Gary Johnson!

                    1. So these LP votes were “spoilers” for Democrats then. Hillary would have won if not for Gary Johnson!

                      Why would socialists vote for Clinton? Clinton was a favorite with oligarchs and Wall St, not socialists.

            2. My libertarian “spoiler” votes are about getting the Republicans to hopefully recognize that a contingent of their “would-be” voters is turned off by their authoritarian slate of candidates.

              Absolutely.

              The question is, when you can see that your libertarian spoiler vote might result in the utter and possibly complete rout of anything even remotely libertarian, would you still take it? Should you take it?

              I don’t think libertarian spoiler votes had much effect in this election, because I suspect that the votes that pushed Joe over the line were manufactured, but I have made this choice myself.

              Sometimes, you can send a message, and sometimes sending that message is deadly.

              1. The question is, when you can see that your libertarian spoiler vote might result in the utter and possibly complete rout of anything even remotely libertarian, would you still take it?…
                Sometimes, you can send a message, and sometimes sending that message is deadly.

                I don’t buy into election hyperbole too much. Every election I can remember has been the most important election ever. America is a center-right nation. If Democrats want to win national elections, they have to concede to that. There’s a reason they nominated Biden. He could beat Trump. Sanders, Warren, AOC… not so much.

                My perspective is still that a Trumpian Republican Party is not something I can support long-term, even if it is preferable in the short-term.

                1. America is a center-right nation.

                  I always laugh when people make this assertion. I laugh because otherwise I’d have to cry. The Overton window has shifted so far left we can’t even see the center, let alone the right, and people like you are just oblivious that anything outside the window exists.

                2. America is a center-right nation.

                  Based on what criteria?

                  Center-right nations are usually governed by Christian conservatives, with balanced budgets, government funding for churches, lower taxes on the wealthy, low property taxes, limited abortion, limited social welfare systems, and healthcare and retirement systems whose services depend strongly on what you pay in.

                  The US is quite a bit more left on all those issues. The US is a progressive nation teetering on the brink of democratic socialism.

            3. 50 years of failure can’t prove Leo wrong, nope!

              1. I see the rise of the TEA Party (at least in its brief, initial form before it was coopted by social conservatives to push their social agenda too) as a victory of small-L libertarianism. George W had just given the finger to fiscal conservatism and the Republicans selected another neo-Con to replace him. They deserved to lose in 2008, not because Obama was a better candidate, but because the Republicans had lost their way at least from a libertarian standpoint.

                Same is true in 2016. Trump signed onto $3.3T in new deficit spending for god’s sake. He’s no friend of limited government.
                Whether 2016 is effective in rejecting national populism is yet to be seen, but endorsing it is not something I’m willing to do.

                1. Trump, by the way, is the closest you’re ever going to get to what you claim to want.
                  Congratulations on your support for establishment politics and the LP’s continued grifting.

          3. Hazel got twice the votes Jorgensen did. At least half of his supporters seemed to have not wanted Biden. They also didn’t want a Republican Senator with a 20% pro-liberty record.

    2. Because under any voting system, merely the existence of a third candidate can achieve a suboptimal outcome. Both candidates and voters need to take that into account when voting. That’s why Hazel’s candidacy is a big f.u. to voters and libertarians.

      1. Oof. “Suboptimal outcome” seems subjective. What if the best outcome is the libertarian candidate and everybody else is voting for “suboptimal”?

        1. Once again ignoring the reality of the two party system in favor of a hypothetical.

          1. It’s not hypothetical if there are actually three candidates on the ballot.

            1. It is hypothetical. In no fucking circumstances were the voters of either party going to break en masse for Jorgensen. In no circumstances. Never. This was never going to happen and it is never going to happen.

              You are refusing the accept reality and you will pay the price for it.

              1. You understand this article is not about Jorgensen, right?

                It’s about Hazel for senate. That’s what we’re discussing.

        2. The term “suboptimal outcome” doesn’t refer to policies in this context, it refers to satisfying voter preferences.

          For example, in some voting systems, even if voters in aggregate tend libertarian, the entrance of a libertarian candidate can result in a more authoritarian candidate being elected, thereby making the outcome worse for everybody.

  11. It’s not like Hazel is the first LP candidate to throw a Georgia race into a run off. No one cries much about that except the party, candidates and donors who have to keep campaigning and funding until the runoff. It’s safe to assume almost every Hazel voter who votes in the runoff will cast a ballot for Perdue and Loeffler.

  12. Well it’s libertarians who will be tearing up if Ossoff the hard core socialist fanatic gets in the senate. Sorry but you’re playing their game, not yours.

    1. If you think Ossoff can win a runoff where the LP candidate got 2%+ of the vote in the general you don’t know anything about Georgia politics.

      1. It’s all about turnout on either side. Can Democrats mobilize massive turnout? Yes they can. They’ll hire personal minders and valets for every single voter if necessary. They have billionaires, unions, and public servants on their side.

        1. More importantly they have Dominion Systems counting the votes.

    2. They do not care, because far too many libertarians are raging narcissists. They do not compromise. Pragmatism is not in their vocabulary. If they do not get 100% of what they want right now, they are fine with getting 100% of what they do not want.

      See Justin Amash.

      1. It’s members of the LP who don’t compromise; the party does not represent libertarians, any more than Democrats represent democrats. Most libertarians are already found in the major parties; the LP is the dregs of libertarianism, the uncompromising fools who are left over, mostly narcissists.

      2. “There can be no compromise on basic principles. There can be no compromise on moral issues. There can be no compromise on matters of knowledge, of truth, of rational conviction.” – Ayn Rand

        1. Enjoy Biden.

          1. Yeah because that’s why Jo didn’t win.

        2. Gary Johnson endorsed forced labor and Jorgensen endorsed racist marxism.

          Are those not compromises?

          1. Who said they were libertarians?

            1. I was taking the conversation as in the context of voting for the LP prez candidate vs someone else.
              My bad if I was mistaken there.

              1. You weren’t. IceTrey is just an absolute fucking mongoloid who can only regurgitate one of 3 bumper sticker slogans about how all governments that initiate force are illegitimate, despite a monopoly on initiating force being the actual literal definition of a state.

                1. Lol. You don’t pay very good attention. The definition of government is that institution which holds a monopoly on the RETALIATORY use of force.

    3. I sure hope so. It’s all well and good to stand on principle, but when the decision is to possibly hold your nose and vote Republican or face the prospect of a socialist president backed up by a same-party House and Senate, I should hope the libertarian choice is clear, if for no other reason than to keep the government divided.

      1. Voting only mattered in 7 states.

        1. Right. Georgia being one of the top 3. Who the fuck feeds you and ties your shoelaces every day? Jesus fuck.

          1. Your mom right after I fuck her in the ass.

    4. What makes you think Ossoff will win? Incumbents tend to win runoffs.

      That said, this guy seems like a narcissistic shit.

      1. So do the purist libertarians posting here

      2. What makes you think Ossoff will win?

        Dominion Systems will be counting the votes for weeks or months after the day of the election. Same way Biden ”””””won”””””

  13. Hazel tells angry partisans “Give me your tears. They are delicious.”

    Because being a world class asshole is a great way to build support for your party.

    It is known.

    1. Hazel is from Michigan. He doesn’t know hardly anyone in GA gives a shit.

    2. if they are crying because their candidate lost, they were never going to support our party….. they will only pretend to support us as they continually try to badger us into voting for their guy.

      1. Biden will be good for libertarians. I think Reason even wrote an article about it yesterday.

      2. I’m a libertarian. Of course I won’t support “your” party. Why would I? The LP isn’t about advancing libertarianism, just like liberals aren’t liberal and progressives aren’t about progress.

        1. if you supported either trump or Biden, and you claim to be a libertarian…… you are either a liar or you don’t know what libertarian means.

          1. If you supported Biden, you are definitely not a libertarian. If you supported Trump, you may very well be a libertarian that is willing to compromise, for the time being. If you are libertarian that voted for Jorgensen, I suppose you are the most libertarian of the bunch, but you have thrown the election to Biden, who is the least libertarian of the bunch.

            This is very simple to understand.

          2. So since you showed up here to shill for Biden the day the media declared the election for Biden after being AWOL for like 3 years, we can assume you’re not a libertarian even by your own retarded construction, right shreek?

          3. Is Trump less libertarian than past LP VP candidates Weld, Root, Koch…?

    3. It’s totes cool when a Libertarian candidate says things impolitic.

      OrangeManBad, on the other hand, is not.

  14. Whoa, that’s some terminal soy face, there.

  15. Moral of the comment section: If you’re not Trump or sucking Trump dick, you’re evil.

    1. Go ahead and suck Biden’s limp shrived dick if you want. Oh Jill has his balls locked away. But Kamala has Jill’s strap on. You’re just cuck enough to want it.

    2. Well you tell me how anyone can compete with his moral rectitude, love of other people’s liberty, and governing prowess.

    3. It’s more like Biden is evil, and if you effectively voted for him, then you’re an enabler of evil.

      Would you vote for Trump over Stalin? Or would you let Stalin loose on our rights and liberties under the rationalization that at least you didn’t vote for Trump?

      Is Biden as bad as Stalin? Of course not!

      The point is that there should be a point at which you will support someone you don’t like in order to keep an authoritarian socialist out of the White House–and Joe Biden is way past that point, even though Biden isn’t as bad as Stalin.

      1. If you actually believe that Joe Biden is an “authoritarian socialist,” you are a fucking moron.

        Are you a fucking moron, Ken?

        1. Everything Biden has promised is Authoritarian and Socialist. do you not understand what words mean or are you going to ignore their meaning because you like Authoritairianism and socialism. Just come out and admit it.

          1. I think you’re the one who doesn’t know what words mean.

            1. Right but you’re a retarded faggot Tony, so it doesn’t matter what you think about anything.

        2. How is he not? If the 2020 manifestation of Joe Biden ran for President in 2000, he would be seen by people as an authoritarian socialists based on his policy proposals. That you have shifted with Overton so far does not make him any less socialist.

          1. Why don’t you give me an example of this “authoritarian socialism.”

            Is it any legislation at all? Any government action? Because that’s not what authoritarianism is or socialism is.

            Just because Trump was a lazy incompetent fuck doesn’t mean anyone with half a brain and a government job is a socialist.

            1. Did you get dropped on earth, conveniently, only after two terms of the Obama administration?

            2. Nationalizing health care. Nationalizing energy production. Shutting down fossil fuel extraction. Sending agents of the state to murder people in order to confiscate their constitutionally-protected property…

              1. No matter what, you have to make sure to shill for big oil.

                The most libertarian industry of all!

        3. “If you actually believe that Joe Biden is an “authoritarian socialist,” you are a fucking moron.”

          Tony needs help with his reading comprehension.

          This is the comment to which he responded:

          Is Biden as bad as Stalin? Of course not!

          The point is that there should be a point at which you will support someone you don’t like in order to keep an authoritarian socialist out of the White House–and Joe Biden is way past that point, even though Biden isn’t as bad as Stalin.”

          —-Ken Shultz

          I was calling Stalin an authoritarian socialist. Biden’s policies are authoritarian and socialist (and my policies are libertarian and capitalist).

          “Authoritarian socialist” is like a noun, but “authoritarian” and “socialist” are also adjectives. To the extent that Joe Biden’s gun confiscation program and mandatory mask wearing policies are authoritarian, they can properly be described as “authoritarian”. To the extent that Joe Biden’s “public option” and Green New Deal are socialist, they can be properly described as “socialist”.

          Joe Biden’s policies in the real world are the way I described them.
          If the real world is too confusing to you, then maybe you should try a forum with people who are more on your grade level, Tony.

          1. Trump is trying to steal an election.

        4. THOS STORY IS NOT ABOUT TRUMP OR BIDEN. YOU FVCKIN IMBECILE.

          This is what TDS looks like, we are talking about a dumbass carpetbagger supposed libertarian giggling that he is ushering in 1 party rule thru the Senate, that will change everything about this country

    4. You fvckn retards realize that literally nothing in this story is about Trump?

  16. I’m not a Republican (yet), and I’m not crying. But if Democrats win the Senate, the country is in trouble. This isn’t even about Republicans winning, merely keeping divided government should be a libertarian goal.

    The fact that Shane thinks that his meaningless votes together with putting the country through another two months of nail biting amounts to a win for libertarianism shows that he really doesn’t care about advancing liberty.

    1. The only thing Democrats will be able to accomplish in two years with total control is—maybe—solving the pandemic and maybe keeping the economy from falling into the shitter.

      There will simply be no time to force you to not be rude to trans people.

      1. Democrats have no solutions. Their method of controlling a pandemic will be endlessly blaming others (except the Chinese communists). The economy will be fine as long as democrats stay away from it. They have a tendency to fuck things up even worse.

        1. Trump literally pranced around doing nothing but blaming China.

          Biden’s plan is out there. It is state-focused (because it has to be), and reliant on science. That was not Trump’s plan. Trump’s plan got a quarter million people dead and counting.

          You don’t even care if you believe the random string of words you are typing. All you care about is excusing Republicans for everything they do and shitting your panties over every out-of-place-hair on a Democrat. You’re sad, you’re irrelevant, and you’re an emotional infant.

          1. Biden’s plan is Trump’s plan. and shit by the time Biden insitututes anything the kungflu will have run its course. PS we don’t need a plan for something that 99.8% of the population won’t notice if they have it. thats like a government plan for people to breath air

            1. Now tell me how serious Benghazi was.

              1. Tony believes that every 95 year old dementia patient on his 3rd pacemaker who died in a New York nursing home is directly attributable to Trump and should be celebrated as a national tragedy, but that a gay US ambassador getting sodomized, mutilated, tortured, and killed as a direct result of US foreign meddling is just the cost of doing government business.

                1. But Obama didn’t murder the ambassador either.

          2. Where exactly in the Constitution does it give the POTUS the authority to deal with infectious diseases?

            1. What does that matter?

              1. You can’t place blame on a person who can’t do anything about the situation.

                1. Tony certainly can…

          3. “Trump literally pranced around doing nothing but blaming China.”

            Idiot.

            That is all there is to say.

      2. It’s cute you think the federal government could have or can do anything to “solve the pandemic”

        1. Humans working in concert have responded to pandemics all throughout history, but this is probably the first time in all of history that people have resisted basic hygiene measures for the SOLE reason that their favorite politician’s cock tastes so yummy that they can’t admit even a little bit of incompetence on his part.

          1. We have never had mandatory lockdowns for pandemics. And as far as pandemics go, this one is minor.

            1. 240K dead Americans, hospitals running out of space, and it’s not even winter yet.. no big deal.

              Because Trump’s cock is so yummy. It’s just science.

              1. 240K dead Americans, hospitals running out of space, and it’s not even winter yet.. no big deal.

                I didn’t say it wasn’t a big deal, I said that “we have never had mandatory lockdowns for pandemics”.

                It’s just science.

                Why, yes, it’s just science: mandatory lockdowns cause massive harm and have no demonstrable benefits compared to voluntary behavioral changes.

                Because Trump’s cock is so yummy.

                What does Trump have to do with this? We’re discussing policies of a Biden administration.

                1. Quarantine has been the method of dealing with every pandemic in human history. Even before there was science. That’s how fucked up you people are by partisan horseshit. You’re dumber than Medieval witch doctors who thought they could fix the black death with potpourri. At least they knew to keep the infected away from the general public.

                  My God Republicans have actually destroyed your capacity for thought. It would be a fascinating thing if only it didn’t threaten the lives of people I care about.

                  1. Yes the SICK have been been quarantined in the past never the whole population.

                    1. Well it’s not only the sick who spread this particular disease, numbnuts.

                    2. Every fucking virus gets spread the same way dickhead. There are always asymptomatic carriers. Nothing about this virus is unique. Fuck and you talk about following the science and then state something so fucking unrelated to science like what you just stated. Fuck you are dumb. Also, in every virus you are generally most contagious before you become symptomatic, so your statement is absolutely illogical and unscientific bullshit. Fuck Tony. Every time you argue about this virus you just rove how stupid you are. You don’t understand the first thing about science. Or medicine.

                  2. “Quarantine has been the method of dealing with every pandemic in human history.”

                    Not only is this wrong, it is an assertion completely undermined by the fact that we just went through a pandemic with a series of half assed “lockdowns.” Nothing we employed even remotely resembled a true quarantine.

                    This is why we cannot converse with people like you in any serious way. You just lived through it, along with the rest of us, and you are already rewriting reality.

                    1. I saw the president take the following policy approach of dealing with a pandemic:

                      Blame the Chinese
                      Politicize basic hygiene measures
                      Hold rallies
                      Get himself and everyone else around him sick, and declare the problem over once he started feeling better

                      You are not sending your best Mussolinis.

                  3. Quarantine has been the method of dealing with every pandemic in human history.

                    It has. Lockdowns aren’t quarantine.

              2. Those numbers are fake.

              3. hospitals running out of space

                This wasn’t even happening 8 months when this talking point was still fresh. You need to talk to your handlers about getting you some fresh copy.

                1. All over the news of my home city: no more ICU beds available in the entire city.

                  1. And none in any nearby cities? Or have you not heard of air ambulances? And how many of those ICU cases could be moved to acute care beds if needed? I am betting it is probably around 50%. Either they are past the point of needing ICU care but the doctor hasn’t discharged them to a lower acuity bed because the bed isn’t needed (and I bet as soon as the bed is needed, they’ll be transferred and you ICU bed count will stay at 100% but they still were able to get an ICU bed when needed)? Call me when the ICU and all acute care beds are filled and they start triaging people and refusing care to the most serious. If the hospital isn’t turning away patients, then the 100% full ICU statistic really isn’t the end of the world. It sounds scary to people who aren’t familiar with medicine or those trying to score points, but rationally it isn’t as dire as people act.

                  2. Fear mongering. Check the CDC site. ICU bed utilization across the US is 61%, which is actually a bit low. Topmost state-level utilization is 78% in Nevada. COVID deaths are up slightly, but nowhere near the levels of the first wave.

          2. So, you give Trump credit for the vaccine

            1. Trump said it would magically disappear before summer. Fuck Trump and fuck you.

              1. An Easter miracle…. why do you hate Jesus?

              2. Well flu deaths are down 98%.

      3. Democrats will do what they always do: take credit for an unavoidable recovery but sabotage it any way they can. Covid is beyond their control.

        Mostly what they’ll try to use power for is what the always do: sow racial division, hurt low income families, denigrate minorities, start wars, and hand out trillions to Wall Street, high tech, unions, and the health care sector. They’ll succeed at much of that because destruction is easier than doing something constructive.

        1. Covid may be beyond anyone’s control thanks to Trump’s maliciously incompetent total lack of attempting to control it in its early phase.

          Because he was so fucking lazy and stupid, he settled on the strategy (and this is documented) of lying to you about how serious it was, then basically giving up. Just because he gave up doesn’t mean someone more competent will have no other option. Stop sucking Trump cock.

          You know what, keep sucking Trump cock. Who gives a fuck. Anyone declaring that millions of Americans have to die so you don’t have to admit that your favorite politician is a failure deserves whatever comes to him.

          1. Because he was so fucking lazy and stupid, he settled on the strategy (and this is documented) of lying to you about how serious it was, then basically giving up.

            The correct strategy as far as the federal government is concerned. A strategy that has resulted in exceptionally low infection rates in most of the country.

            Just because he gave up doesn’t mean someone more competent will have no other option.

            More than a hundred national governments have dealt with this. You know who’s done a lot better than the US? Sweden with no lockdowns and with much better economic outcomes too. You know who has done worse? The UK, with their draconian measures.

            Biden doesn’t know what to do; all he is doing is assemble a task force because he doesn’t know what to do.

            You know what, keep sucking Trump cock.

            Never did. But you sure love Biden’s cock, don’t you?

            1. If Vietnam can keep this under control, why can’t the US? How much extra death does the US have to endure so that you don’t have to take a hygiene measure that doesn’t affect your freedom by any measurable quantum?

              We don’t have the hospital capacity for what’s happening now, let alone what’s coming in winter. The US has the most deaths in the world. That’s Trump’s legacy. And his breathtaking incompetence is proportional to the level of absurdity of your defense of it.

              It comes down to the fact that your pandemic response policy is to do nothing and let God sort out the dead. It’s not my place to tell you not to be a psychopath, but surely you can appreciate that other people will have other ideas.

              1. AIDS kills more people in a month than Covid-19 has in a year. Perhaps we should just round you and your faggot buddies up and put you in safety camps, removed from society. You know, for your own good. We wouldn’t want you spreading a viral disease with a high fatality rate.

                1. The Republican approach to AIDS was to ignore it or make a culture war panic about it. Same shit different decade.

                  Why do you support people who are so cosmically bad at everything?

                  1. The Republican approach to AIDS was to ignore it or make a culture war panic about it. Same shit different decade.

                    The Republican response to AIDS was to tell gay men to be less promiscuous or abstain from sex. Good advice. Democrats eventually came around to the same viewpoint, including closing bathhouses.

                    Meanwhile, US pharma companies developed good treatments because under the US system they could reap substantial rewards, while the Europeans sat on their thumbs with their socialized medicine. Another win for Republicans.

              2. If Vietnam can keep this under control, why can’t the US?

                We don’t know why COVID is worse in some countries than others; it’s clear that government policy has little to no effect on outcomes. We also know that at the state level in the US.

                We don’t have the hospital capacity for what’s happening now,

                According to the CDC, ICU utilization is 61% right now, which is actually low. Yes, we do have the capacity to deal with COVID.

                It comes down to the fact that your pandemic response policy

                I have stated no policy preference at all. All I have said is that this is a state matter, not a federal matter.

    2. According to the article, in 2020, Perdue scored a 20 out of 100 in New American Freedom Index ranking.

      It doesn’t seem like Perdue was too interested in advance liberty either.

      1. And the LP scores a 0…

        1. In that case, it should have been easy for Perdue.

          1. You’d think so, but (a portion of) libertarians are far more committed to virtue signaling their own inadequate egos, and losing so they can keep up the masturbatory bitching, than their claimed values.

            1. Nah, they’re just Marxists and doing their part to advance Marxism.

    3. if the republicans do a little nail biting over an election they are almost certain to win…….. maybe they will stop ignoring the principles libertarians agree with them on. if we can’t win, this is the most effective way to advance liberty. rolling over and letting the fucks have our votes without any effort is not.

      1. “The only way to teach those authoritarian Republicans a lesson is to put ourselves in concentration camps”

        We get it shreek. You love the feel of Biden’s wrinkled, flaccid foreskin gently massaging your uvula.

      2. What principles? Gun rights? Freedom of religion, capitalism? Or do you mean abortion, open borders and marijuana?

        1. bump stock ban, muslim ban, tariffs, border walls and kids in cages…… where was your argument again?

  17. Being anti-lockdown, Hazel thinks, “should have been a much larger message for Libertarians in 2020. You don’t get to lock down our right to travel, to do business, to operate commerce, to gather.”

    Bingo.

    1. If you’re a walking vector, we sure as shit do.

      Stop being babies. I’m sorry your political philosophy can’t handle a natural disaster. But I’ve been telling you that for years. Get a new philosophy before it kills another quarter million people.

      1. Nope but feel free to hide out in your basement like Biden and cower away the days, Tony.

        1. There are no ICU beds left in my home city, and the cases from the Trump superspreader rallies have surely only begun.

          If libertarianism cannot permit quarantining to control a once-in-a-century global pandemic, then libertarianism is shit, full stop, and you’re shit, and there is no point in discussing anything else about it.

          What on fuck’s green earth gave you people permission to impose a political philosophy on the rest of us that can’t handle anything about the real world?

          1. Biden is the new superspreader in town.

            1. I’m fully aware that you’ll be 100% capable of the cognitive dissonance required to shit on progressives for their rallies while also claiming that the way to deal with the virus is to change nothing about normal life.

              1. What “cognitive dissonance”? I’m simply applying your terminology to Biden’s rallies, that’s all.

                It’s you who wants to outlaw such events, not me. I have no problem with Biden supporters partying in the street if they want to.

                1. Would you feel the same if it were Ebola? Genuinely curious.

                  1. Yeah. Most people would avoid an event with Ebola because it is actually a dangerous disease with a high fatality rate. You don’t really need to tell people not to risk their lives, they’re pretty good at evaluating that for themselves. You’re more than free to hide in your doom bunker like the mewling pussy you are if you so desire. If masks and hiding like a pussy actually work then you have nothing to worry about if everybody else fails to hide like a mewling pussy along with you. The joke’s on them.

                    1. You’re just flailing. This is what a failed ideology looks like. It’s sad.

                      Now stop trying to kill people because you can’t handle being wrong.

                  2. Would you feel the same if it were Ebola? Genuinely curious.

                    Ebola virus disease is not transmitted through the air and does not spread through casual contact, such as being near an infected person.

                    I have yet to see an example where widespread quarantines or lockdowns have ever helped contain an epidemic, compared to simply informing the population and letting people make their own choices. There is zero evidence that lockdowns or mask mandates have helped at all with COVID.

          2. So what they’re full of 80 year olds.

          3. There are no ICU beds left in my home city

            Yes, there are, Tony, you lying sack of shit. Tulsa is rerouting ICU patients to numerous county hospitals. There is also plenty of overflow capacity that can be spun up in existing facilities. Just like the 6 million dollar 200 bed facility that was built and then dismantled in Houston that treated exactly zero patients.

          4. Lack of beds is a profitability problem, resulting from Certificate of Need regulation and insurance reimbursement. Lack of beds is directly the result of bad government oversight.

            What makes you think more government will solve the problems caused by government?

      2. But Tony, I thought you were a “follow the science” guy?
        The WHO has clearly and urgently declared that all lockdowns must end as they cause more harm than good.

        You wouldn’t defy the council of experts at the WHO would you?

        1. Do you people ever think to Google anything before you regurgitate it? Are you actually unaware that Trump’s twitter feed is not the same as science?

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/10/13/who-warning-about-covid-19-coronavirus-lockdowns-is-taken-out-of-context/?sh=531c9578158c

          1. Lmfao

            As you can see, Nabarro said, “We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus.” Note the word “primary” here. He did not say, “do not advocate lockdowns as a means of control of this virus.” Nabarro continued by saying, “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.” Note the words “rather not do it” as opposed to “should not do it” or “will not do it.”

            “He didn’t really mean what he said!”

            1. I’m not paid to teach you literacy.

      3. A walking vector? You mean it’s okay to quarantine people and shut down their businesses, even if they have no infection, no symptoms, and are at close to zero risk anway, because some people are scared?

        1. The answer is “yes,” because he is a leftist shit.

        2. All I’m asking for is that you incomprehensible morons not actively make the problem worse.

          Masks and social distancing won’t solve the problem, but they may save a few thousand lives.

          Just stop. Trump isn’t worth it.

      4. our philosophy can handle pandemics just fine…… what we are having a problem with is the morons who don’t get the “personal responsibility” part of that philosophy…… saying the government should not force things does not mean nobody should do anything.

        1. Personal responsibility means genuflecting to the government and panic mongering, shreek.

        2. Why does “personal responsibility” always seem to equate to “I take no personal responsibility for anything”?

          1. it doesn’t…… that is why i used the word “morons.”

    2. What role has the United States Senate played in any lockdowns?

      1. adding a few trillion to the national debt for bailouts needed because of the lockdowns?

  18. The truth is america will continue to descend slowly into socialism and woke stalinism. There’s no stopping it. They have seized controls of the young minds that will be the future and won’t let go. It’s over, America. We had a 4 year reprieve from woke stalinism at least. I wouldn’t say Trump was great at stopping the tide of socialism but he didn’t light a fire under it. Regardless, the country is doomed.

    Whether or not we would have had another four year slight reprieve and reduced acceleration from Trump, the trend is clear.

  19. If he campaigned against lockdowns, he’s an alt-right conservative, not a libertarian.

  20. And now you may have Dr. Death Ezekiel Emmanuel as health czar.

    A LITERAL NAZI monster will preside over your health.

    Cap your lives to 75 years old.

    1. Luckily, I’m younger than him, and he’s only a decade away from his own deadline.

      1. Yeh like he’s gonna off himself.

        Ezekiel and Rahm. Nice family.

        1. He’s not going to off himself, he said so. He just said that most people are useless after age 75; but creative geniuses like him, of course, are exempt from that general rule.

    2. hey, if it helps make Medicare for All affordable…

  21. If you don’t like the way people are voting, put forward policies that appeal to them.

    1. With more than two candidates and many issues, that strategy simply doesn’t work mathematically. Meaning, you can be the candidate that represents the best compromise among all voters, yet you lose.

      1. with forced runoffs in Georgia when no candidate exceeds 50% of the vote, it sure does work mathematically. both major party candidates can scramble to appease the 2% who kept them from winning on the first pass.

        1. Or just print out ballots and make sure their poll workers know that anything goes if their cause is righteous

  22. Pretty much sums up the Libertarian Party, demonize Republicans/Conservatives not pure enough while handing Democrat/Socialists the reigns of power.

    1. What does that mean? Republicans who are pure conservatives are a huge part of the problem, even more so than Democrats who are socialists since there are only like two of those. Libertarianism will never be compatible with conservatism any more than it will ever be compatible with socialism.

      1. even more so than Democrats who are socialists since there are only like two of those.

        One of them is the vice president. Which is the other one? AOC? Ilhan Omar? Bernie Sanders?

        And they sure do have a big influence on their party, those two. They got to write the entire DNC party platform and somehow they hijacked Biden’s website and put all of their policies on it.

        1. Kamala Harris? A socialist? Oh man. I’ll ignore that comment.

          I am more interested in a citation on “they got to write the entire DNC party platform” idea.

    2. 20% pro-liberty is a long ways beyond “not pure enough”

  23. So Hazel wont say where he stands on the actual runoff unless the candidates agree to give him attention?

    Yeah, that’s a classic capital L move, and a prime example of why they are inevitable losers.

    1. Looks like where he stands is that neither candidate is worth considering from a libertarian perspective. If being a winner means not being a libertarian then I’ll keep being a loser.

      1. Genius.

        A choice is going to be made. It will be made with or without your input. Same goes for Hazel. He has an opportunity to affect the outcome, but like you, chooses to be a proud ‘loser.’

        1. I do not understand your comment. Hazel had his input. He was on the ballot and ran an election campaign. Not only did he have an opportunity to affect the outcome, he literally affected the outcome.

          1. You do understand there is to be a runoff in that election now?

            Do you know what that means? It means he’s no longer on the ballot, he lost. But the other two remain, and one of those two will eventually be declared the winner.

            Hazel can still express an opinion about that decision, and he can also actually vote for one or the other of them.

            Or he can just keep being a ‘proud loser,’ like you.

            1. Yes, to both questions.

              That does not explain why Hazel should commit himself to one of the two remaining options, thereby undermining his campaign’s reason of existence for the past election, unless one of the candidates do exactly as he says, reach out to him in an attempt to address the concerns of those who voted for him.

              You seem to be suggesting that instead of attempting to gain concessions from one of the remaining candidate, he should arbitrarily pick a side and give up on representing libertarianism.

              1. The past election is in the past. The runoff will decide the future. Hazel could affect that future. There is nothing arbitrary about what he has done so far – trying to hold out for personal attention. It is futile and juvenile, yes; but not arbitrary.

                Are you really this dense?

        2. so go after the millions of people who didn’t vote the first time around and get them to the polls.

  24. No end to Republican bad faith:

    The presidential election is certainly over, and the result was not particularly close. President-elect Joe Biden won a decisive majority of the popular vote and likely a considerable electoral college victory. Claims of widespread electoral fraud would be spurious even if they weren’t made by a prating fool in front of a Philadelphia landscaping firm. The 2020 election is done. Concluded. Finished.

    What has not ended — what seems endless — is Republican bad faith and poltroonery.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-election-is-over-but-theres-no-end-to-republican-bad-faith/2020/11/09/56101008-22c7-11eb-a688-5298ad5d580a_story.html

    1. But we have to let them succeed in their coup, otherwise the authoritarians might get in charge.

      1. You’re a leftist — so why are you complaining about authoritarianism? You want this.

    2. I would read the WaPo but it happens that I am out of toilet paper

    3. Actually the election is on Dec 15. Have you heard of the Electoral College?

      1. The election is over. Yet no votes have even been certified.

        1. The media called it, after all.

    4. You’re bad at this shreek. Like really bad. You should consider killing yourself. I wonder how much we’ll hear from you when the voter fraud in the 2 states Trump needs to flip gets shoved up your ass and he keeps being the president of the united states despite the media having called the election.

      While you’re on a roll, why don’t you explain to us how Hillary won the popular vote again, you haven’t beat that drum in at least 5 hours.

    5. The presidential election is certainly over, and the result was not particularly close.

      The president is determined by the electors sent to the electoral college by state legislatures, or Congress.

      Regardless of the vote, state legislatures could decide to allocate their electors differently, or Congress could override the outcome altogether.

      This might happen, for example, if it is clear that Democrats deliberately misused mail-in voting to their advantage, that there were a large (but unknown) number of fabricated ballots, or that the voting software in key districts was compromised.

  25. And that’s the crux: Perdue should drop out. Any candidate with liberty in mind should bow out and endorse the better person. But most Republicans aren’t that, sadly. (The Democrats are worse, though.)

  26. Libtardarians finally show their true colors. They are not for liberty. They are more than happy to see socialism rise as long as that old meanie Trump is gone. He wanted a wall! What a nazi.

    You all lie. Trump has tried to tear down the entrenched statists you all claim to be against. He resisted the military industrial complex. He cut regulations. He installed constitutionalist judges and justices.

    But, oh, yeah that wall. You ‘tards. Congrats on your, “victory.”

    1. “He resisted the military industrial complex” is the most Orwellian thing I’ve read on these comments in awhile.

      1. Did he increase military budget? Yep. Thank God because of the immediate threat from Chinaland. But, you understand the reason (if you will pardon the profanity) the Pentagon hates him is his refusal to bend to their incessant cries for foreign adventures which would necessitate drastically higher increases than he’d already pushed for. Plus the loss of American lives, plus the intervention in other states. The forces in the Pentagon want us as the policing power of the “new world order’ which he fought.

        But, hey; you go on believing the lefty loons at reason (again, sorry for cursing) who sell the fiction that Trump is evil.

        I freed myself from libtardarianism; you can, too.

        Goodnight, Irene.

        1. I don’t really care to say whether Trump is evil, only that he has no libertarian tendencies in his politics. I am not sure how a president who not only increased the military budget but increased military involvement in multiple countries, increased belligerence toward many new countries, and consciously rejected attempts to reduce overseas military involvement can be represented as resisting the military-industrial complex.

          Though I’m sure it sounds good in your Two Minutes Hate.

          1. I am not sure how a president who not only increased the military budget but increased military involvement in multiple countries, increased belligerence toward many new countries, and consciously rejected attempts to reduce overseas military involvement can be represented as resisting the military-industrial complex.

            Oh, I see the problem. You’re a lying piece of shit. Trump in point of fact has negotiated a dozen peace treaties, including normalizing relations between 4 Islamic Arab states and Israel, struck a peace deal with the Taliban, is removing troops from Afghanistan, got us out of Obama’s debacle in Syria, and has not started any new wars or ground conflicts in any part of the world.

            1. And you believe that because the Trump press office told you it, right?

        2. Blargrifth is a leftist, like foo_dd, pretending to libertarianism to sway weak minds with spurious arguments, thereby aiding the left in seizing power.

          1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

            GFY. stupid worshiper of a stupid idol. leftist? STFU.

  27. Libertarians as spoilers, so what? Somehow in a country where a fairly significant slice of voters really don’t like partisan Democrats or Republicans, libertarians have convinced a whopping one out of every hundred voters that they are viable alternative.

  28. I seriously doubt Ossoff will win. Purdue still had a pretty good lead, and without Orange Satan to kick around anymore, the progs will have a hard time motivating their base.

  29. Americans could bask in the knowledge that President Donald Trump was likely on his way out without yet confronting the reality that former Vice President Joe Biden was on his way in. But with the election called on Saturday for Biden and his running mate, Sen. Kamala Harris D–Calif .by follow detailsHere═❥❥  Read More  

  30. Free Investment Advice

    Toilet paper – there is a lot of pant shitting going on.

    Georgia TV stations – lots of ads for Senate runoff.

    Vaseline – you know it’s coming. “have a plan”.

  31. David Perdue seems to be a standard conservative Republican though he has come along on supporting criminal justice reform (in part thanks to Trump). He’s also seems to be a standard issue Hawk on foreign policy though not a doctrinaire Necon like Liz Cheney.

    Overall despite his deficiencies he’s still better than his Democratic opponent on most issues. I would love it if we had more Rand Paul Republicans in the Senate, but unfortunately that’s not always gonna be the case. Since its coming down to an actual two man race, libertarians in Georgia should consider voting for Perdue.

    1. The GA republican party is shit. Run by swamp and wannabe swamp establishment trash.
      Very disappointing.

      1. Are there any truly small government conservative/libertarian-leaning state Republican Parties out there? I remember hearing about the Nevada and Alaska Republican Parties briefly being taken over by libertarians/Ron Paul Republicans a little over a decade ago, but I haven’t heard much since then. I’m assuming the Kentucky GOP is isn’t too bad.

      2. If they’re old they used to be Democrats.

        It’s a shame Gurtler didn’t beat Clyde.

  32. “What would Hazel say to angry Republicans who accuse him of ruining not only this election but also possibly the chance for GOP control of the Senate?”

    This has happened before in Georgia and it worked out fine for Republicans. In 1992, Sen Wyche Fowler was the incumbent Democrat and beat the late Paul Coverdell by 30,000 votes. However, because Libertarian Jim Hudson got 3% of the vote, denying Fowler a majority, a runoff election was held and Coverdell won. Hudson endorsed him over Fowler. Ralph Nader was very upset.

  33. Be careful before you get too excited. While I have no desire to prop up the GOP, if this spoiler role turns in to the Democrats controlling the Senate, then this could be one of the biggest screw ups in modern times. I get being excited about a Libertarian doing well. Heck, I wish more Libertarians would win races. But THE AUTHORITARIANS ARE AT THE DOOR!!!! Today’s Democrats aren’t the innocent hippies of the 60s and 70s. They aren’t the ones that chained themselves to the gates of the nuclear power plant (the climate hating dumb asses). The Democrats of today are authoritarian leftists. Wake up Libertarians.

  34. Thanks for giving the Dems a fighting chance.

  35. The thing is, that if I wouldn’t have voted for Hazel, I wouldn’t have voted at all. Unless it was for team chaos. I might vote republican in the runoff only to try and force deadlock, despite even THAT not being enough of a libertarian ideal. Government that doesn’t is preferable to government that does.

    1. Your fallacy is that the status quo is not a platonic ideal of existence. Government is governing during a gridlock, just extremely poorly. Things set in motion in the past continue, or degrade. Roads that aren’t maintained fall apart. Injustices that exist aren’t rectified. Your entire worldview is stupid because it relies on the retarded principle that simple = true. And by retarded and stupid I mean you like it because it doesn’t require any thinking, and for that reason alone.

  36. You shouldn’t sweat voting third party in a runoff election system. Not only will you be able to rectify it in the runoff, you’ll be able to see exactly how much of a spoiler the third-party candidate would have been if it were a regular election.

  37. If this f*ckwad had been in my unit, I’d have shipped his butt to Alaska so fast it would melt snow when it got there. Clearly, he is the perfect libertarian.

    This comment not approved by Silicon Valley brain slugs.

  38. Obviously libertarians are going to be anti-lockdowns. But when it comes to governors, Brian Kemp has been about as anti-lockdown as any governor in the country, so it’s weird to actually mention him in this article. He was among the last to cave to federal pressure to lockdown and one of the first to reopen, when even Trump was telling him to keep shit locked down.

    There’s plenty of reasons that libertarians wouldn’t be interested in Perdue but none of those reasons are Brian Kemp. Kemp has done quite a bit to actually sway libertarian voters this year.

  39. “I don’t really care what most people think of me as long as I’m standing on principle…”

    This guy really gets it. Principles are far more important than their results. If you believe something is right, you stand behind it no matter what the consequences to yourself and everyone else. That’s what makes it a principle instead of just a personal preference. The most important question to ask about any decision is not, “Will this work?” or “Will this be beneficial?” but rather, “Is this the right thing to do?” I may oppose someone but if I am convinced they believe what they’re doing is morally right then I’ll respect them for it even while opposing them. For that reason it’s been hard for me to respect hardly anyone in politics for a long, long time. I’d much rather support a sincere loser than a corrupt winner who tries to buy my vote by pretending to agree with me.

    1. If the right thing to do doesn’t work, more often than not, it isn’t the right thing to do.

      Anyone who risks getting more Democrats elected is not principled. If you want more libertarian policies, primary the Republicans. Don’t try to make them lose and then pretend you’re the principled libertarian increasing the chance of actual statists being elected.

  40. “Give me your tears. They are delicious.” You’re still a loser.

  41. So Wallace Dixiecrat southerners weren’t even motivated enough to elect this woman-bullying libertarian impersonator. All this does is give Wallace Dixiecrat fanatics hope the the LP will switch-hit for the Prohibition Party and replace the Tea-totalitarians in their efforts to bring back coathanger elections. The 1972 plank became the Roe v Wade decision. The cowardly straddle, and now this, make it likely 9 out of 10 women will avoid the LP in Georgia.

  42. I agree with him in principle, but in real life, what he did could be devastating. He could be responsible for Chuck Schumer being Senate Majority leader, and giving power to the dems, which will certainly not help libertarian principles.

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