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Conspiracy Theories Abound After Trump Tests Positive for Coronavirus

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President Donald Trump's Thursday night announcement that he and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for COVID-19 has kicked up a range of realistically troubling scenarios as well as a host of conspiracy theories. The most prevalent of the latter seems to be the idea that the Trumps don't really have the new coronavirus and the president's announcement is some sort of cynical election ploy.

It would be a strange one, considering the negative toll that any perception of illness can have on a candidate. What could Trump possibly gain by having people think he's sick?

Some have suggested that Trump could falsely claim to have the illness but not to get very sick from it in order to bolster his claims that COVID-19 isn't all that serious. Others call Trump's announcement a ploy to portray the president as strong and healthy when he shakes the disease.

The timing seems off for such antics, however, as a lot of Americans are already casting their ballots. If Trump was going to fake COVID-19 and then quickly "recover" as some sort of campaign strategy, this would seem an especially stupid time to do so.

"The galaxy brain take is that Trump is faking COVID to get out of the debates or distract from the tax stuff," tweeted author Mike Rothschild, who is writing a book about QAnon. "But his image depends on being a bull god street fighter Adonis who outworks men half his age. He wouldn't pretend to be sick and weak. If anything, he'd cover it up."

Considering how cavalier the Trump administration has been about masks and other measures meant to contain the coronavirus' spread, it shouldn't take a conspiracy theory to explain how we got here.

"The President's infection is the predictable outcome of the same malignant irresponsibility he has been modeling for his followers from the beginning of all this," writer Daniel Summers commented. "Regardless, I wish him the same recovery from illness I'd wish for anyone else."

Donald and Melania Trump may have caught COVID-19 from advisor Hope Hicks, who has also tested positive for the disease and was aboard Air Force One with the president on Wednesday. The situation tidily and unfortunately highlights how precarious COVID-19 test results and safety schemes based on them can be.

"Hicks tested negative for COVID-19 Wednesday morning, so she boarded AF1," according to CBS News reporter Weijia Jiang. "She developed symptoms during the day and received a second test, which came back positive. The White House knew about this Wed evening but Trump still had a fundraiser Thursday."

Vice President Mike Pence and his wife tested negative for the virus, according to Pence's press secretary:


QUICK HITS

• Congress is dragging tech leaders back for a repeat performance of Bipartisan Toughness on Big Tech.

• The House of Representatives passed the $2.2 trillion COVID-19 spending bill discussed here yesterday.

• "A federal judge in San Francisco has blocked the Trump administration from enforcing its ban against many of the biggest U.S. companies bringing in foreign workers under H-1B and other employment-based visas," reports The Wall Street Journal.

• Joe Biden is "a suggestion imbued with an infinite number of possibilities. He can be anything you want," writes David Harsanyi.

• New York's silly "pink tax" prohibition goes into effect today.

• A federal court ruled that "a national commission on policing launched earlier this year by President Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr has violated federal law by seating only people in law enforcement and failing to include members with different perspectives such as civil rights activists, defense attorneys or mental health professionals," The Washington Post reports.

• A Massachusetts woman has been freed after spending 17 years in prison for a wrongful conviction of murdering her parents. "Frances Choy was just 17 when she was charged with two counts of murder and one count of arson of a dwelling after a house fire at her Brockton, Massachusetts home killed her parents, Jimmy and Ann Trahn Choy," notes Yahoo News. "This month, her charges were vacated after the discovery of new evidence, including racist emails between the two prosecutors indicated they were 'biased against Asians.'"

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  1. President Donald Trump’s Thursday night announcement that he and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for COVID-19 has kicked up a range of realistically troubling scenarios as well as a host of conspiracy theories.

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    2. Hello.

      “Considering how cavalier the Trump administration has been about masks”

      Of course she’d write this pseudoscience bull shit.

      MASKS DO FUCK ALL. And the fact back it up. Take a break from the porn star convention and ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE the data.

      MASKS DO NOTHING.

      Cavalier. Please.

      1. Like she is immune.

        1. I looked at all states and provinces idiotic enough to have mandates. Of the 32, 19 rates went up. 8 went down but in most of those cases they were already on a down trend and 5 neutral.

          Then look at those without mandates.

          It’s a farce and a charade. No basis in science.

          1. Plus, we all know how accurate these so-called COVID tests are. I wonder how many PCR cycles did they run on the Trumps’ samples.

            I know a few people who tested “positive” only to be informed later that test was faulty for some reason. Detroit Lions QB Matt Stafford tested positive prior to the start of the season. It created a sh*tstorm in the local media with all the typical condemnations of attempting to play professional sports in the middle of a pandemic. It turned out that the test was wrong. The Lions are 1-2 and COVID has little to do with it.

            We’ll see how this plays out. Because it’s Trump, there has to be some larger agenda at work rather than a COVID test being positive.

            1. The lions are 1-2? Thought for sure they’d be 6-0 by now. Damn.

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            2. What is this COVID you mention?

      2. Yes, but you don’t understand, Rufus. Orangemanbad, and besides this is totally poetic justice for Cheeto Hitler.
        Remember how back when he was racist for closing flights from China, we said masks totally didn’t work and should be saved for medical professionals? Well after that he sometimes didn’t wear a mask!
        Karma Baby!

        1. He was right about HCQ and he’s right about the masks.

          I can’t believe how this mask thing took off. It’s amazing.

          1. Masks are worse than useless, as people who wear them think they are invincible so they no longer keep their distance from other people.

      3. Case in point how did all those doctors and nurses end up getting covid.

        1. East – exposure. Duh.

      4. If masks don’t do anything then why is the president in public at all?

        1. Campaigning because he’s not afraid of a cold dumbass.

        2. What do those two things have to do with each other?

          1. I don’t think you guys think through your desperate talking points. But in fairness, being rational is totally beside the point isn’t it?

            If masks are useless that means the disease is that much more dangerous.

            1. Um no one has nothng to do with the other idiot

            2. It does?

            3. Oh, fuck off. There are reasons to disagree here. That you won’t even acknowledge that is pathetic. There are reasons to disagree besides being stupid or dishonest.

              1. “being stupid or dishonest.”

                That’s all Tony has.

              2. Is one of those reasons protecting your feelings from the shame of being wrong? I just don’t have the time.

                1. You obviously do.
                  You constantly make comments, and then respond to others completely missing the point they’re trying to make while projecting intentions and denial onto them.

            4. Actually it means the disease is as dangerous as it always was, which is not very.

            5. desperate talking points.

              Can they be desperate when they have been correct and unchamged for months?

              Now let’s do your talking points.

              1. Mine do not come from a motive of protecting the feelings of an obvious incompetent gritting politician. If the actual science disagrees with something I say, I have no emotional stake in maintaining any particular position. I would like nothing more than for this to be a mild flu. Unfortunately a million people are dead and 20% of them are Americans.

                1. “Mine do not come from a motive of protecting the feelings”

                  We’ll agree to disagree.

                2. Tony, if the moronic leaders in blue cities and states had chosen to protect the elderly instead of requiring nursing homes to take covid-infected people, we’d have a lot lower death toll.

                  I’d also suggest you take a look at the death tolls from the 1957 and 1968 flu seasons. More than a million dead worldwide and more than 100,000 dead in the US both times. This when the world population was less than half of what it is today. No one’s saying this is a mild flu. It’s a relatively bad flu. It’s not remotely close to the Spanish flu.

            6. Masks do little to alter your fate. The shit is cumulative – but masks don’t even block the virus in the first place – at least not the type of masks that everyone in public is wearing.
              You’ve got to be within reach of someone shedding virus for a period of time. And even then, if you’re already immune, it makes no difference.
              So, going to the store and standing six feet away from someone with the virus for five minutes in line, isn’t gonna be enough exposure unless they are making out with you while blowing their nose on your shirt the whole five minutes.

              1. Trump got it because he was on a plane with someone who had it.

        3. He had good parents who taught him life has risks and not to live under his bed.

      5. There is so, so much data that indicates that masks work. Are you guys gonna make me post the meta study again? Or are we gonna have to look at the amazingly low infection rates in mask wearing societies in Asia? Are you gonna request your surgeon not wear a mask so that he doesn’t get poisoned by his own co2?

        How simple do you have to be to be debating germ theory in 2020?

        1. No there isn’t.

        2. Post it because there isnt any.

          Masks dont work like the Lefties say they do. Anything less than a N95 mask does nothing.

          The Kungflu lies of the Lefties will just push more and more Americans to distance themselves from Democrats.

            1. Meta analysis isn’t a study guy.

              1. It is a study of studies; that’s what “meta” means, you utter moron.

                1. It is a study of studies; that’s what “meta” means, you utter moron.

                  No, it doesn’t. Metamorphosis isn’t the study of the change or the change of the change, it’s the change to the adjacent or more mature form in the life cycle. Metadata isn’t the study of the data or the data of the data, it’s the data adjacent or ancillary to the primary data in the transmission or record.

                  You’re insulting him but you don’t even know what the words you’re using mean.

            2. Here is a demonstration of masks in action.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BslFT9cKZwc

              They divert breath to the sides or other weak points. They cannot change the volume of air inhaled (obviously). Vapor is much like an aerosol of virus.

              Believe your eyes, not any study.

              The question really is how much you inhale, and that depends on how close and at what direction you are situated, as well as the viral density and how long it stays suspended in the air.

            3. “the studies we included were mainly conducted in Asia, especially China, and more evidence from other countries is needed to support our views”.
              So it’s cherry-picking 21 studies from 1,410 to support the Chinese authors’ views. Plus it was an analysis of medical-grade masks, not the play-at-home version the rest of us are wearing.

              1. Plus it was an analysis of medical-grade masks, not the play-at-home version the rest of us are wearing.

                And, once again and along the same lines, the people getting/using medical grade masks are trained in asceptic technique and spend 8 hrs. every day practicing it. While even if you handed N95 masks to every Tom, Dick, and Harry, Tom is going to touch his face constantly, fidgeting with it, Dick will keep his folded in his pocket until he has to wear it, and Harry won’t shave his beard and will wear it below his nose.

                1. Good job mad casual – you’ve been right two comments in a row.

            4. Experimental data shows that the micropores of mask block dust particles or pathogens that are larger than the size of micropores [3]. For example, the micropores of N95 masks materials are only 8 μm in diameter, which can effectively prevent the penetration of virions

              As I said masks with material less effective than N95 do nothing.

              This is all under the assumption that this virus is some super deadly virus that needs to be blocked.

              We dont wear masks in the USA when its Flu/Cold season.

              You Lefties just are doubling down on this nonsense like Hillary’s coronation, Mueller’s fables, Impeachment in the House only…

              1. “We dont wear masks in the USA when its Flu/Cold season.”

                We didn’t. Now we will, probably every season for the rest of our lives.

                1. Fuck that – masks come off November 4th. We all know this.

        3. “Are you guys gonna make me post the meta study again? ”

          If you want it shredded again go ahead.

          “Or are we gonna have to look at the amazingly low infection rates in mask wearing societies in Asia?”

          Go ahead and assume correlation is causation and get laughed off the board again.

          “Are you gonna request your surgeon not wear a mask”

          An open wound is the same as mucus membranes.

          How did you get this stupid?

        4. What about Africa de oppresso limper?

      6. yeah, it isn’t the masks or lack thereof which increase your chances of catching the virus, it’s how many people you mingle with

        1. Trump should totally blame Joe Biden for giving him Wuhanvirus.

        2. It’s how much exposure to the virus and how much of it can take root in your body before your immune system naturally nips it in the bud.

    3. poor Lefties and unreason.

      Trump is asymptomatic. He gets tested on a regular basis whether he feels sick or not.

      This will help squash this ridiculousness about kungflu needing masks or anything else.

      It will burn through scared America like it has in Georgia and other states that never had lockdowns.

      1. And that right there is the reason they had to start these conspiracy theories. Facts actually get in the way of paranoia, so when faced with the former, one must double up on the latter. Must give them a reason to dismiss the facts.

    4. I’m skeptical. I think the Chink communist with Biden’s help infected our president. Democrats have shown how evil they are. It should be presumed until disproven the president was intentionally infected.

      1. Good point. Trump never had it until going around Biden at the debate.

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  2. I like starting the day on a positive note.

    1. Yes, now he will be immune.

      1. Maybe. There have been cases of re-infection.

        1. Yes, I’ve heard of 2 of them.

          1. Fat, old, ignorant, and reckless has consequences.

            Who could have guessed?

            1. Speaking from experience?

            2. Now do gay.

            3. You’re not reckless, Kirkland. I’m sure you stay in moms basement from an abundance of caution.

              1. Artie ain’t got no momma.

                He wasn’t born, he was removed.

            4. Hope Hicks doesn’t really fit any of those categories though.

        2. Have there? Was there a second illness or just a subsequent positive test?
          I think it’s really important to make the distinction between detected virus and actual illness at this point. We know the PCR tests are very sensitive and will come out positive in some cases when there is no viable virus present.

          1. Is there actually a reason to postulate on two supposed cases?

        3. Noise. And I don’t mean like “You’re speaking words that don’t mean anything.” I mean something like 20+ million Americans have had corona, millions more worldwide and something like a handful of people have “relapsed”. And that’s with everyone combing the data like they’re gonna find Wonka’s Golden Ticket. It’s statistical noise.

          Moreover, it should be noted that these people contracted COVID, survived, and (supposedly) contracted it again. If re-infection were a considerable risk of killing people, we’d be counting differently. There would be 150K dead from primary infection and 50K dead from secondary infection.

          The fact that we’re hip deep in COVID, looking for any way anybody can die of it, and only found 2 is pretty much testament that you can’t be reinfected and likely won’t die if reinfected.

  3. Others call Trump’s announcement a ploy to portray the president as strong and healthy when he shakes the disease.

    I think that of all those claiming to have it now. You’re not fooling anyone.

  4. “Regardless, I wish him the same recovery from illness I’d wish for anyone else.”

    Get those digs in first.

    1. I wish him the same recovery
      Ha, ha… the hell she does.

      1. Huh, two comments from you already where you are stating what the leftists are thinking.

        1. Cry about it more Gripe

        2. Cawing early today I see, Dee.

          1. Nah, this is the usual time we all assemble for our daily whateverthisis.

            1. looks like you cawing

        3. It’s not like you guys don’t broadcast it at every opportunity.

          1. If you are talking about the left, I am not one of “you guys”.

            1. Sorry for misgendering.
              You xuys?

              1. Dee is a female bird.

          2. I even agree with Melania that Christmas sucks.

            1. I kinda thought you’d be the type to hate Christmas.

              1. Really? What type of person is that, Mother’s?! What are you saying about Melania?!

                1. The type of person like you, WK.

                  1. Really cool and good-looking. Got it.

  5. The situation tidily and unfortunately highlights how precarious COVID-19 test results and safety schemes based on them can be.

    And yet…

    1. and yet Reason pitches mass testing as a cure all. while politicians and athletes who are tested every other day still catch and still spread it to teammates

  6. Vice President Mike Pence and his wife tested negative for the virus…

    The positive outcome of Trump’s dislike of being around Bible thumpers.

    1. Hope Hicks tested negative a few hours before becoming sick.

      We may be learning how persuasive and influential Ruth Bader Ginsburg remains in the afterlife.

      1. You mean as she negotiates with the devil?

        1. Hehe. The Devil. It’s cute that grown people believe in that guy. Does he look like the guy on the sardine cans?

          1. As you got saltypants because he pointed out your boo is evil!

          2. Hehe, it’s cute that jokes go over your head dumbfuck.

          3. Fuck off Tony.

        2. You misspelled “fellates”

  7. New York’s silly “pink tax” prohibition goes into effect today.

    But we can still pay women 72 cents on the dollar, right? I don’t want to give away my sneaky plan here, but it involves hiring a bunch of women because you can pay them less and then selling their services to women because you can charge them more and make oddles of money on the arbitrage because nobody else has ever thought of this idea.

    1. I was told there would be no math here

      1. Are you female?

        1. On a [formerly] libertarian site?

        2. On the record; according to the SUpreme Court, there is no longer “male” or “female”. We are all just us.

      2. It really is sad that Jerryskids had to resort to racism this early in the morning.

    2. Admittedly, I had no idea what a “pink tax” was. So when I saw the byline in the links here I thought, ‘Oh wow, maybe New York isn’t as crazy as I though; they’re trying to prevent some form of taxation.”

      Then I googled “pink tax” and learned what it was. Yep… New York is just as retarded as ever.

      1. So a whole bunch of complaints are going to come filing in from angry Karens who are now expecting big discounts, and they’ll just start arbitrarily fining businesses.
        After the riots, exploding crime with accompanying lack of Police protection and now this, why have a business in New York City?

    3. Are people still going on about that bullshit?

    4. Keep it up and all the men will be out of work.

  8. The House of Representatives passed the $2.2 trillion COVID-19 spending bill…

    I’m sure each yea vote went over it with a fine tooth comb first.

    1. We have to pass the bill, so that you can find out what is in it.
      Just like we have to elect Biden so that we can find out what he’ll actually do as president

      1. What he will do as president is read the Amendment 25 declaration from Kween Kamala and go back the basement.

  9. What is the advantage to the voter of voting early?

    1. adding more angst articles about the process for retrieving previously cast ballots

    2. Ignoring the rest of October’s BS?

    3. Making sure your vote still gets counted even if you were to die between now and the election. As if being dead were any sort of handicap to your being able to cast a ballot. In some places, your being dead is the only way you’re ever going to cast a ballot.

    4. Beating the election day lines, I would think.

      1. Voting early means voting by mail – which has no lines regardless of the day you send in your ballot.

        1. In Texas, early voting is done in person. For 3-4 weeks prior to election day there are early voting locations in churches, libraries, or other facilities. There are fewer voting locations but you can vote at any early voting location. So on election day I would have to vote at the nearby middle school, but before that I can vote at any voting location in the county, possibly in the state. This allows a lot of flexibility of when and where to fit into your schedule.

    5. Early voting is honestly one of the smarter political policies that’s been implemented. Despite the rise in “independent” voter registrations–which are really just efforts to not get spammed by the party with emails and cold calls–very few people are actually going to change their minds between the conventions and Election Day.

      Especially in an election like this where both candidates are already well-known quantities, what’s the point in waiting?

      1. Early voting is a great way to fabricate votes.

        Is it no wonder that only democrats are concerned about voting in person? Every single democrat on board with mail in voting has sold themselves out by approving cheating. And this will come back to haunt them someday.

    6. Because no matter what, we’ll still end up with an idiot in office?

      1. The house and senate, General. Don’t forget the house and senate.

        1. Oh how could I have forgotten those hallowed halls of power, for shame, for shame.

    7. More time to vote in other precincts?

  10. Joe Biden is “a suggestion imbued with an infinite number of possibilities. He can be anything you want…”

    With a decades-long record trailing behind him, he’s not the tabula rasa his president was.

    1. He doesn’t remember, and the millennials voting for him don’t either

    2. There is a simpler answer here and that whatever Joe Biden is, he is not Trump. This election is primarily a referendum on President Trump.

      1. For one side.
        For the other side it’s fear of the lefties batshit-insane shenanigans.

        1. All lefties want is a somewhat better society. This is in contrast to whatever Trump wants, which by all appearances is to die without ever facing any hard truths about himself, and what Republicans want, which by all appearances is the destruction of democracy so their friends can loot the country. And nowhere is there more support for the destruction of democracy than a libertarian message board. So, I guess sorry we’d prefer if you weren’t rude to trans people. Insane Marxism, I know.

          1. “it’s fear of the lefties batshit-insane shenanigans.”

            “Tony
            October.2.2020 at 10:49 am”

            It’s like he knew you were talking about him.

          2. “All lefties want is a somewhat better society.”

            lol. All lefties want is to whine and complain about how someone else should make/pay for a better society. And then when that someone else objects, all lefties want to do is crush them under the boot of their triggered emotions.

            1. Anarchy is not some kind of status quo. Most participants in this want to use public money for their ends.

              1. Your side is violently revolting.

                1. Thats what happens when you try to take their right to vote away. Do you expect us to sit back and take it from the likes of propagandized idiots like you and that fat crapsack you worship? Revolutions have been fought for less.

                  1.  Thats what happens when you try to take their right to vote away.

                    Which is super weird because it started months before that ginned up nothing.

                    If you can see the future you must be upset because you know you lost again lololol

              2. Where do you think ‘public money’ comes from you moron?

                1. Same place it comes from when it pays for jackbooted government thugs to bash protestor skulls.

                  1. “……. bash protester skulls……”

                    Haha. What a drama queen. What skulls were bashed, tony? Or was it just the potential for it that has your panties in a knot?

          3. But which side is doing the actual destroying of stuff?

            I’ll grant that lefties may want a somewhat better society. They just don’t understand that their plans would make it much worse.

            1. Trump and his supporters. Every time there is a BLM or Antifa gathering, the Proud boys show up with the explicit motive of causing violence. And Trump activated them during a presidential debate. For fucks sake dude.

              1. Never go Full Tony, Tony.

              2. Wow!
                That’s huge news. Last I checked the Proud Boys had about 450 members. How are they able to make it to every BLM or antifa gathering in the US? Can they travel at the speed of light? And they’re publically stating they’re trying to start a fight with peaceful protestors?
                Please share that link, because I’d love to read about such an extraordinary organization.

              3. “Every time there is a BLM or Antifa gathering, the Proud boys show up with the explicit motive of causing violence.”

                Every single time, eh?

                Odd, Proud Boys are more multiracial than a progressive group. Any of them.

          4. Everything is so terrible and unfair.

          5. “All lefties want is a somewhat better society….”

            Well…….. that, and a lot of other people’s money.

          6. Funny how the people you support are at worst just miguided but you’ve put everyone else in the position of being evil incarnate.

            Maybe they also just want a somewhat better society but disagree on the effective methods to get there?

            Something to consider.

          7. Oh, fuck, a lot of influential extreme left-wingers have, in recent years, become quite open about their deep-seated, orgasmic lust for for death-camps, gulags, and mass death as means to to bring about their dream of a collectivist “immanentization of the eschaton.”

        2. So, do you expend this much energy following and commenting on the political parties in your own country? Actually, that’s not my real question — aside from typing stuff on the Internet do you engage in any actual political activism in Canada?

          1. Do you expend this much energy for lame gotchas nased on your own closed mindedness and bigotry?

              1. Lol you just admitted you’re a closed minded bigot

                1. Yup. I want to kill all Canadians. Except Neil Young.

                  1. I don’t care bigot.

                    1. I don’t care that you don’t care.

                    2. Protest more milady.

                  2. Especially Neil young.

                  3. I can forgive him for Cinnamon Girl. But in a just world the rest of his whiney shit should at least lead to decades in a penitentiary.

                2. What have the Canadians ever done for us, other than supplying a good percentage of our most popular comedians and musicians, and the poutine, don’t forget the poutine.

                  1. Dee just admitted she’s a Nickelback fan.

                    1. You take that back!!!

          2. Everyone is interested in US politics. It’s on the news on other countries all the time. It’s not so surprising, especially in Canada, aka America Jr.

            1. It is to Gripe. He thinks a giant gorilla living next door isn’t worth paying attention to.

              1. Yup, I’ve practically turned into, like, KillAllCanadians.

                Except Neil Young. He rules. But he’s not really a Canadian anymore.

                1. “Yup, I’ve practically turned into, like, KillAllCanadians.”

                  No, but you’ve definitely exposed your anti-Canadian bigotry, which is weird. Now shove that straw man up your ass so your head has some company.

                2. Hey man, if you know you’re being stupid like you seem to you can try something else.

                  1. Nobody else around here has turned away from their stupidity.

                    1. Hi I know language is hard but I said “you”

                3. Ugh. Old hippies are so pathetic.

            2. That’s not what I asked Mother’s about. I asked how invested he is in Canadian politics.

              1. Holy shit dude are you still going on about the Canada thing ??? LOL this is amazing, please never stop

              2. I’m more invested in US politics right now, because Canada is largely irrelevant, but the American left is on the cusp of destroying Western civilization.

          3. No. I’m here just for you WK.

            1. Awwww. You care.

              1. It’s amusing watching you squawk like a bird Dee.

          4. You are really turning into a wall building isolationist.

            1. Totally! And make those Canadians pay for it, too!

  11. New York’s silly “pink tax” prohibition goes into effect today.

    I’m sure businesses will lower prices to level out and not raise them.

    1. If, as they argue, it’s the same product, why don’t they just buy the “non-pink” version?

      Ohhh

    2. Businesses may only charge different prices to male and female customers if the variations are based on the following reasons:

      Amount of time required to produce goods and services
      Difficulty in producing goods and services
      Costs to produce goods and services
      Labor required to provide goods or services
      Materials used in providing goods and services
      Any other gender-neutral reason

      You better have a long trail of documentation with multiple witness if you want to claim any of those exceptions.

      1. Hopefully they get a judge on the right side of judicial activism the first time it’s taken to court.

  12. I always hoped Hicks was a little kinky but a pangolin fucker; that would make even Crusty blush.

    1. HAHA someone has been watching South park

  13. A federal court ruled that “a national commission on policing launched earlier this year by President Trump and Attorney General William P. Barr has violated federal law by seating only people in law enforcement and failing to include members with different perspectives such as civil rights activists, defense attorneys or mental health professionals…

    Man, there’s a federal law for everything.

    1. Did the judge actually cite the federal law this violated?

      1. Holy crap, there really is a federal law for everything:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Advisory_Committee_Act

        1. It appears to be violating this particular section of the code:

          “Any such
          legislation shall—
          (1) contain a clearly defined purpose for the advisory
          committee;
          (2) require the membership of the advisory committee to be
          fairly balanced in terms of the points of view represented and the
          functions to be performed by the advisory committee
          ;”

          https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-86/pdf/STATUTE-86-Pg770.pdf#page=1

          1. That’s quite a vague requirement. It’s a national commission on policing. It could include police from the east coast and the west coast and everything in between, from big cities and rural areas, from the federal level down to the smallest locality, from the desk jockeys to the SWAT guys, etc. and that would easily fit the requirement for balance in terms of points of view represented and functions to be performed.

            But it doesn’t include enough diversity coordinators so…

      2. The judge said he’s violated “federal law”, not “a federal law”.

        “Federal law” is whatever a federal judge wants it to be.

        1. In this case, there actually was a law cited (see above, that was the one). It’s the interpretation of the law that’s whatever the judge wants it to be.

  14. Good reporting, using Twitter and gossip and rumors and conspiracy theories to drive your narrative. ENB on a roll.

    1. You must be new here.

    2. So, if ENB quotes people the quoted people represent her own personal views?

      1. So she doesn’t advance a narrative by the quotes she chooses?

        1. Yes and no. Often she is quoting people who are advancing a narrative she agrees with. Often she is quoting people who are advancing a narrative she disagrees with.

          1. “Yes”

            Then what the fuck are you bitching about retard.

            1. I thought it was JesseAz’s specialty to quote only part of my sentences.

              1. You said yes, everything after is irrelevant.

                But you knew that.

                1. Shorter White Knight – “But what about my unrelated self serving equivocations!!!”

        2. About a month or so ago, she slipped up and admitted she’s pushing a narrative.

      2. You haven’t been around long have you?

        1. HAHHHAHAHHHHHAAAAAAA. As long as Hit & Run has been around.

        2. I was here when Chevy Chase used to do the morning roundup.

          1. Yup. Old hippie. Confirmed.

  15. “This month, her charges were vacated after the discovery of new evidence, including racist emails between the two prosecutors indicated they were ‘biased against Asians.'”

    In their defense, who knew 17 years ago that emails were discoverable.

    1. Weren’t they on punch cards back then?

      1. At the end of the 1800s Herman Hollerith invented the recording of data on a medium that could then be read by a machine,[13][14][15][16] developing punched card data processing technology for the 1890 U.S. census.

        Ray Tomlinson is credited as the inventor of email; in 1971, he developed the first system able to send mail between users on different hosts across the ARPANET, using the @ sign to link the user name with a destination server. By the mid-1970s, this was the form recognized as email.

        1. Thanks, Mr. Peabody!

  16. I heard from anonymous sources that Trump purposely contradicted the coronavirus because his superior immune system is the only way to develop a cure. Thank you, Mr. President.

    1. He’ll be able to donate his plasma to help Nancy when she comes down with it.

      1. I’m picturing her reacting to his plasma the way that Nazi reacted to opening the Ark of the Covenant.

        1. I’d pay to see that. Although she already looks half melted these days.

    2. That guy has so many contradictions.

    3. His immune system is HUUUGE!

  17. The galaxy brain take is that Trump is faking COVID to get out of the debates or distract from the tax stuff…

    The galaxy brain hasn’t been paying attention to the natural news cycle length in the Trump era. That stuff was already gone.

    1. There was tax stuff? I guess I took a nap or something and missed it.

      1. It was big news. Turns out Trump has good accountants, The New York Times is full of shit, and all the lefties on this site are economically ignorant.

        1. And the New York Times ended up being completely wrong. They looked solely at his declared liability, his AGI, which showed almost a complete write off, but ignored the fact that his level of income triggered the AMT. The reason he only paid 750 was it was the delta between what he had put in quarterly, as required by his income type, and what was owed after the AMT calculation. He actually paid millions in both years NYT claimed he only paid 750.

          1. Cite? I’ve been ignoring this story pretty much, but this is funny.

    2. Don’t forget impeachment 1.0

  18. The scenario I like is that Trump and his wife get retested, and test negative, and then the RNC collects all the articles and comments from Democrats and Democratic politicians rejoicing that Trump has coronavirus, and runs them as campaign ads.

    “Democrats. If you don’t agree with them, they want you to die”

    1. You figure they weren’t retested already, you half-educated goober?

      You figure it was coincidence that Trump, after being described by aides as looking “tired,” dialed in to Hannity’s program by telephone?

      Hours before White House confirmation occurred, CNN reported Trump had likely tested positive . . . because the testing procedures (and official responses to them) were readily predictable.

      1. If Trump looks “tired”, how does Biden look?

        1. Mummified?

        2. Waxy. And about as plucky as a quarter inch of makeup can make a person suffering from early stage dementia look.

          1. No he was asking about Trump not RBG.

            1. He was asking about Biden. And RBG looks a hell of a lot worse than waxy at this point.

                1. The sound of my rimless shot? Thanks buddy.
                  You know…You’re not so bad despite what the others here say about you.

                  1. No that would be “swish.”

                    God you can’t even lame dad joke well.

                  2. “The sound of my rimless shot? ”

                    JERKSTORE!!!

                    1. they’re runnin’ out of you lol

        3. About the same. They are both in their 70s. If our nation were sane, they’d both be retired from public life and we’d be struggling to make a choice between two (or more) appealing candidates.

          1. The Democrats had a dozen or so younger candidates. They chose Joe.

            1. Yes, that is true. If that was supposed to be a “gotcha” against me, I’m not a Democrat.

              1. The whole country chose these old people.

                Or are you getting on the ‘we need a commissionf to pre-vet acceptable candidates’ bandwagon with the rest of the totalitarians?

      2. I always thought that episode od Dr. Who was stupid.

      3. Love how the Rev. misses the point that Democrats cheering for Trump to die isn’t a real good look for their image as the caring party.

  19. “”The President’s infection is the predictable outcome of the same malignant irresponsibility he has been modeling for his followers from the beginning of all this,” writer Daniel Summers commented. “Regardless, I wish him the same recovery from illness I’d wish for anyone else.””

    God damnit, ENB. Stop this.

    There are millions of people who have gotten this virus. It isn’t because they are unclean. It isn’t because they are idiots. It is because this is a virus that has spent millions of years evolving to spread and infect people.

    Spreading these stupid viewpoints that Trump has been somehow reckless when he has not gotten the virus for 8 months is stupid.

    Libertarians (rightly) fought for years to combat the idea that the AIDS virus was some sort of karmic retribution for immoral behavior. The fact that the left, and libertarians today are trying to stigmatize COVID is an awful, and disgusting behavior and it needs to stop.

    And this isn’t about politics- it is about decency. I have kids in school, and the last thing I want is for someone to tell them that they caught the virus or, god forbid, someone’s grandpa died because they couldn’t wear a mask correctly or somehow acted unclean. Knock. It. Off.

    1. But since we lack a vaccine the best preventive measure is a mask and not voluntarily wearing one is “irresponsible”.

      I avoid wearing a mask just like I avoided condoms during the AIDS days but I realize the slight risk involved.

      I condemn conservatives for blaming AIDS and hurricanes on “Gawd” before I will condemn the left for an “I told you so” that is born n fact.

      1. Wearing a mask doesn’t protect you, at most it reduces your chances of transmitting the virus to others during the initial phase of an infection.

        I mean, geez, how dumb and uninformed can you be?

        1. So you’re saying that Trump would have been better served if his entire office didn’t run around without masks every day.

          1. We destroyed this weird talking point.

        2. I love how each of you trump cultists comes up with your own version of what masks really do.

          Why don’t you just read the studies on the topic, which are many and are very conclusive?

          1. I’ve seen the studies. They’re not conclusive at all.

            1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/

              This meta study, with conclusion, disagrees with you.

              1. So you still don’t understand what a meta study does and what it can actually offer up? I’ve linked to the paper describing the pitfalls of meta studies to you multiple times. Do you need a picture book?

                1. If you don’t like meta studies, then read every damn study in it and do your own meta analysis. I doubt you’d be able to refute it.

                  I could link each study individually, if reason didn’t limit links in comments. Would not change the conclusion: masks work, as evidenced by many, many studies.

                  1. “If you don’t like meta studies, then read every damn study in it and do your own meta analysis”

                    See this is exactly what I mean when I say you don’t know what you’re talking about.

                  2. The citation you posted refutes what you are saying.

                    Only masks N95 and above with particle blocking capabilities are worth anything. Most scared Americans are not wearing masks of N95 and above particle blocking.

                  3. Here is a demonstration of masks in action.
                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BslFT9cKZwc

                    They divert breath to the sides or other weak points. They cannot change the volume of air inhaled (obviously). Vapor is much like an aerosol of virus.

                    Believe your eyes, not any study.

                    The question really is how much you inhale, and that depends on how close and at what direction you are situated, as well as the viral density and how long it stays suspended in the air.

                2. Lefties are still pushing that getting Kungflu is the worst thing ever.

                  They dont understand that more and more Americans see Democrats in power as way worse than contracting Wuhanvirus.

              2. Yes, but many of the studies referenced do agree with him. Further, there is much blurring between cloth and paper masks vs N95 masks. Also, many of these studies study completely different things.

                This looks to me like this is a case of “mix a bunch of shit together, use questionable statistics and come up with some answers that really mean absolutely jack”. I guess they get citations and keep the sweet, sweet grant money flowing, but this adds little.

                Seriously, if you just look at the fact that there are a bunch of studies that conclude “no effect”, what you should really be taking from this is that the effect is small if present and it needs statistical data mining to pull out the traces. Maybe a better approach would be to deal with problems above the noise floor first ?

                1. “This looks to me like this is a case of “mix a bunch of shit together, use questionable statistics and come up with some answers that really mean absolutely jack”. I guess they get citations and keep the sweet, sweet grant money flowing, but this adds little.”

                  That’s one of the main risks of meta studies, which he is relying on, and we have told him.

          2. Well in fairness, the messaging has always been that cloth masks protect others; to the extent they have a protective effect on the wearer, it is much smaller. Of course, I am not a Trump cultist, so maybe you are referring to something else.

            1. There’s a few lefty commentators here that alway agree with Lying Jeffy, and everyone else is a Trump CULTIST!

          3. i did. They show masks dont work.

              1. Every time you post that I have flashbacks of my Research Methods prof losing her mind about people quoting meta studies.

                Please, try to understand, you keep poatong it and touting it, and all that proves is that you dont know anything about properly doing research. And it is more obvious that you don’t even understand why.

                1. Do you think the individual studies will somehow lead us to a different conclusion?

                  Reason.com allows for one link at a time. In order to illustrate how many studies come to the similar conclusion that masks work, I link the meta study. Feel free to reasd each study contained within yourself. They are all linked there. There are even more studies now outside of that meta study that further bolster the same conclusion.

                  For instance: https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/6/36/eabd3083

      2. “But since we lack a vaccine the best preventive measure is a mask”

        No, the best preventative measure is social distancing. Full stop.
        https://www.thelancet.com/infographics/coronavirus/COVID-prevention

        Note the levels of certainty. There are millions of examples of people contracting the disease while wearing their mask, because they did not social distance. In some cases it was because masks give them false senses of security, and in other cases it was because sometimes you just cannot distance.

        I don’t tend to wallow in the shit-flinging that you and the other trumpsters consider debate around here, but seriously. FUCK OFF. Stop trying to turn this disease into a scarlet letter.

        1. this guy gets it

        2. Correct.

          Here is a demonstration of masks in action.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BslFT9cKZwc

          They divert breath to the sides or other weak points. They cannot change the volume of air inhaled (obviously). Vapor is much like an aerosol of virus.

          Believe your eyes, not any study.

          The question really is how much you inhale, and that depends on how close and at what direction you are situated, as well as the viral density and how long it stays suspended in the air.

      3. Nice humble brag about condoms in the AIDS days, but I think you already know that you don’t need to be the one wearing the condom if you’re always the bottom.

        1. “Nice humble brag about condoms”

          Not really, his target age group doesn’t get pregnant.

    2. Preach on, brother!

    3. Maybe you haven’t noticed, Overt, but the most important election of our lives is upon us (again). How dare you bring up decency and principles when we all might be dead come November 4th.

    4. Well said.

    5. If hating Trump is wrong, ENB doesn’t want to be right.

      1. Sure, any criticism of Trump == hating Trump. Got it.

        1. Sure all hatred of Trump = = honest reaaonable rational criticism, got it.

          1. No, the truth lies somewhere in the middle. A bit of valid criticism here, a bit of derangement syndrome there,…

            1. “No, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.”

              So you were lying.

              The White Knight
              October.2.2020 at 11:19 am
              Sure, any criticism of Trump == hating Trump. Got it.

                1. It’s not difficult.

          1. Mr. R Mac can moo! Can you?!

    6. Masks have become the vestment of the left. He who does not wear one is the unclean infidel that brings a magical plague upon himself and his community.

      1. Masks are optional in public as they should be.

        But if you get on an a commercial flight your ass is wearing a mask as required and the airline has the private company right to ban you permanently from flying.

        1. Masks are optional in public as they should be.

          Not where Democrats are in charge.

          1. Or Republicans like my asshole governor, lockdown Larry.

            1. You mean Larry Hogan? I thought mask mandates were at the county/local level in Maryland.

              1. Yes, Larry Hogan. The mask mandate is for entire state, unless something changed just recently. Counties have some leeway for opening businesses though now, based on the phase recommendations.

                Larry’s executive decree on masks below, it goes on to list basically ever aspect of life that now requires wearing a mask:

                Requirement to Wear Face Coverings.
                i. Except as provided in paragraph IV.c, all persons in Maryland over the age of five (5) years old are required to wear a Face Covering when they are:

                1. Surprising, but I guess I was wrong.

                  1. Not really, the best that can be said about Larry is that he isn’t a Maryland Democrat*. He’s pretty soft and his best achievements are not allowing Maryland to go completely batshit crazy. But Maryland being so close to DC and all their fiscal waste makes it ripe for big government statists.

                    *My hatred for MD Dems goes back to my younger more liberal days; one party rule sucks.

        2. What good does it do on your ass?

          1. More than on your face. At least it prevents skid marks.

          2. Screeche is used to everyone covering their ass when he comes around

          3. Chin Diapers!

        3. Haha. Was just on a flight the other day. If you’re eating or drinking (and yes, they were serving snacks and drinks), you obviously don’t have to wear your mask. Makes sense, right?

          There was a guy sitting across from me that was verrrrrrry slowly eating chips and sipping a coke. Didn’t have that mask on once in 3 hours.

      2. Reminds me of flag lapels on the right. Now everyone has to wear one or they hate ‘Murca.

        1. Biden had one, too. Trump and Biden had almost identical flag pins on their lapels.

      3. And not wearing masks has become a loyalty signal of the right.

        Our country is fucked up because the Red and Blue camps are politicizing every damn thing, including science. Collectively, their stupid partisan war is making us all a bunch of idiots.

        1. People should be loyal to reality. Not wearing masks is an example of that loyalty.

          1. I know. It’s how you can tell he’s a true patriot. Obummer wouldn’t wear one in ‘08 and we knew it was a dog whistle to the left that he hates America. Rush Limbaugh said so.

            1. Tony, everyone can tell this is you.

        2. “making us all a bunch of idiots.”

          Speak for yourself, idiot.

        3. I know, letting people choose their own risk posture and freedom levels is such a Red camp type of thing.

        4. Maybe, just maybe, if people like you weren’t intent on leveraging the power of the state in order to ram through your half-baked ideas about what a ‘somewhat better society’ should be then the rest of us wouldn’t have to come around to wrestle you for control of the levers of power.

          All of this comes simply from your insistence that government solve your problem.

        5. Out country is not fucked up. Maybe it’s you?

      4. Vestment of the left, and the rest of the fucking globe you mean? You guys realize your dumb as fuck conspiracies about corona being a democrat hoax to make the president look bad fall apart when you take into account that Iran was digging mass graves, China was welding people into their apartments, basically every country in Asia made masks mandatory, India shut down all activity in their entire country for over a month….

        Is the whole globe in on this conspiracy? If so, wow! World agreement for the first time in history!

        1. Lying Jeffy loves his straw men.

          1. R Mac, a reasonable and honorable man would either take me up on my offer to prove who I am, with the consequences that I offered, or would quit slandering.

            So you are either a coward or a liar.

            1. You were having that argument with someone else, and I just point out that you lie all the time. You were caught lying in that very thread, then lied about lying. No one with any sense would make a bet where winning would require your lying ass to admit anything.

        2. Many governments and nations making the same mistakes, based on the same faulty assumptions, does not require any sort of conspiracy.

          1. So you are betting on Trump, Putin, and Bolsonaro being right, and every scientist on earth being wrong. I don’t like those odds.

            1. Try reading what I wrote. Take your time.

            2. Again, you are wrong. When are you ever right? Prior to April of this year you could hardly find a study saying masks had any preventative metric against Viruses. Even now the correlation of mask policy and covid transmission is not correlated in any statistically relevant manner.

          2. And, what government anywhere ever eschewed a great excuse to push its citizens around under the guise of ‘science’??

            What is really amazing is that these regulations have been put in place without deliberation, debate, and votes in any legislature!! Where’s your ‘democracy’ now, proggies??

        3. Umm… how are you always wrong. Not every country has a mask mandate, many don’t. And many of those have better numbers than countries with mask mandates.

          Do you honestly ever have a single fact on your side Jeff?

        4. I’ve not read one thing suggesting that the whole world (or even the US) has made up a coronahoax to hurt trump. Most seem to realize that you should never assume malice where stupidity (overreaction) will suffice.

          Are you retarded?

    7. She can’t help it. She is a mindless bot.

    8. Expecting anyone to not stigmatize Covid is a losing battle because not stigmatizing it destroys the narrative. All those “mask up America” ads become weaker when you start telling people “there’s a realistic chance you’ll get sick anyways.” They literally want to create a black and white narrative because they think we’re too stupid to have an honest discussion about Coronaviruses. Any admission of the real risks creates ‘panic’ and makes people not follow the mandates, which worsens societal outcomes. They lie to you supposedly for your own good; this is textbook statism, elitism, left-wing politics, etc. The Holy Church of Political Correctness ironically requires expulsion and ridicule towards anyone who becomes infected, despite such behavior being inhumane, oppressive and anything but politically correct.

      1. No you’re totally right. The request (not the mandate, but the request) that you wear a mask in public is just another act of Political Correctness. Just like the request to brush your teeth, wear your seatbelt, or shower daily.

        1. You did not read his post at all, did you?

          1. It’s Jeff. Of course he read it, he just didn’t understand it.

            1. In his defense, several of the words had more than two syllables.

          2. You don’t brush your teeth, do you?

            1. ::slow clap::

        2. Hey everyone Jeff the dumbass thinks government mandates are requests!!!

          1. Lying Jeffy is best known for being dishonest, but he’s plenty dumb too.

        3. What request?

          This is another of your comforting illusions.

    9. “The fact that the left, and libertarians”

      Bruh, ENB is not a libertarian.

    10. Yep. Where was the article about Virginia governor Ralph Northam(D) and his wife being irresponsible when they tested positive?

  20. A Massachusetts woman has been freed after spending 17 years in prison for a wrongful conviction of murdering her parents.

    You know, this kinda makes me want to question the statistic that says you’re far more likely to be murdered by a family member or an acquaintance than you are to be murdered by a stranger. Is that statistic based on convictions? If cops and prosecutors “solve” murders simply by grabbing the nearest likely looking suspect and pinning the murder on him, doesn’t this statistic become a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy?

    1. They don’t solve crime like they do on TV.

    2. There probably is something to that selection bias, Jerryskids.

      This isn’t a good case for it. The judge here didn’t spring Ms. Choi out of jail because she thought Choi was innocent. She did it because she was butthurt by racial bias the prosecutors exhibited in office communications with each other. A better piece of evidence for thinking she didn’t do it, is that her two prior trials ended with hung juries. Her brother was acquitted in his trial, and turned around and testified against Sis in one of her trials (the sequence of who got tried for what, when, is a little unclear.) It doesn’t sound like the parents got cooked by accident.

      I’m not sure you can prove absolutely that she committed a murder. But you also can’t prove she didn’t commit one either. To the headline writers’ credit, they are at least calling it a wrongful conviction, which it may very well have been. Though bias on the part of the prosecution, absent any other wrongdoing, being enough to set a felon free nearly two decades later, is a door I’m not sure we want to open.

      She caught 17 years. More than a lot of murderers catch.

  21. The logic of mid-wits:

    Trump tested positive!
    SEE?! WEAR A MASK!

    I loathe people and their sophomoric stupidity.

    Make fun of people in the Middle-Ages. Go ahead. You exhibit the same superstitious beliefs.

    It just blows my mind. Not only does evidence-based literature basically show they’re useless, couple that with the fact asymptomatic and droplet spread is unclear and you have the misapplication of the precautionary principle.

    There are people out there we have to wear these diapers well into 2021 even if there’s a vaccine. It’s beyond the pale. It’s an authoritarian imposition. FFS Reason wake up.

    https://academic.oup.com/jlb/advance-article/doi/10.1093/jlb/lsaa064/5912724

    1. Says the Creationist idiot.

      1. Lol. Creationist? When did I ever say that? You’re a crack head.

        1. It’s all that anti-vaxxer has.

          He was having his chakra manipulated with healing crystals at the anti-GMO rally and heard someone complain about creationists.

          He’s been dying to call someone “creationist” since then.

          You’ve been owned by the #PartyOfScience, Rufus.

          1. /Hangs head down.

            /Shrugs shoulders.

            Better to be a creationist than be into little kids.

      2. Has anyone on this site ever advocated creationism?

    2. Anyone who thinks wearing a mask is protecting them from catching the virus isn’t doing Science right. If you have the virus, there is some benefit to others if you wear one

      1. Some. And by some low probability.

        For me it’s simple. You wear a mask and mock others for not being ‘sciencey’ that makes YOU the imbecile.

        Tired of this shit.

        1. I tested positive for being tired of this shit weeks ago

          1. Have you contact traced since then?

      2. That’s not true.

      3. If you have the virus, there is some benefit to others if you wear one

        Not anymore. Just like “15 days to slow the spread” became “flatten the curve” became “we can’t open up until we have a vaccine” became “we can’t trust a vaccine”, so to did masks go from ineffective to preventing infections in others to imbuing the wearer with a holy aura of defense against the miasma.

        1. Science! Settled at last.

    3. Furthermore, even the scientists claiming that masks work understand that they don’t protect the wearer. They only slightly reduce transmission to others during a brief period after infection.

      1. Total nonsense. A true n95 mask has a one way exhalation valve, they are designed to offer some protection to the wearer. Any other “cloth face covering” has no medical use at all. It even says so right on the box.

        1. And in some places N95 masks specifically do not qualify as masks under the mandate because they don’t protect others

    4. Face it. Most people, even with college degrees, are idiots. They have the same basic knowledge and reasoning power as their Middle Age ancestors. Sure, today most people would say the earth is round and not flat, but can they support that claim with evidence and reason? Remember, these are the same people who cannot explain how a toilet works.

      People will always be the same. They will “believe” what is easy and comforting, along with what is provided by preferred biased sources.

      1. Middle Age ancestors. Sure, today most people would say the earth is round and not flat

        The idea that people in the middle ages thought that the earth was flat is a modern fallacy that began in the 1870’s.
        The Greeks had calculated the earth’s circumference by 500 bc. No educated person in the West from the third century B.C. onward believed that the Earth was flat.
        This fallacy only gained currency in popular culture because of the assumption of the superiority of ‘our’ views to those of older cultures.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth

      2. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/

        There. That’s what study after study has shown: masks work to significantly reduce the risk of transmission, for both wearer and others.

        You guys really think a bunch of laymen jerking each other off is the correct way to come to conclusions about the world? Weird.

        1. Going full gay sex again today, huh?

          1. Honest question: are you retarded?

            1. Would a retarded person be able to answer that question?

              1. We’ll find out.

            2. “laymen jerking each other off”

              Honest question: why are you obsessed with gay sex?

      3. Many people also embrace lies on in some contexts that they implicitly reject in others. So affirming the reality of biological sex is totally transphobic, except for all the many contexts in which progressives affirm the reality of biological sex. Not “seeing” race is racist, except for the many contexts in which progressives will condemn anyone seeing race as racist. And so on. Can people who act this way be said to ever act from “knowledge”?

  22. “The President’s infection is the predictable outcome of the same malignant irresponsibility he has been modeling for his followers from the beginning of all this,”

    Anyone who gets the virus is an immoral idiot and we should all be forced to wear masks to protect them from consequences of their horrible stupid decisions!!!!

    1. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised by the conspiracy theories, but when I told my wife this morning that Trump had Covid, her face lit up which I suspect is how most proggies reacted.

      1. There’s probably about 60,000 gleeful comments on the WAPO article about Trump’s positive test, given that there were 27,000 at 9:00AM.

    2. The party of personal responsibility ladies and gentlemen.

      1. Tony represents the Party of slavery.

        They want to tell you what to do.

        Kungflu is no worse than the Flu/Colds each season.

    3. Probably shouldn’t have done an indoor golf club fundraiser after finding out he had been exposed to the virus. Pretty fucking irresponsible, yes.

      https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/nj-starts-contact-tracing-for-people-who-attended-trump-fundraiser-thursday/2648271/

      1. Not really, going anywhere with people exposes you.

        1. He exposed everyone else at that fundraiser.

          Amazing. You really do lack the capacity to think about anyone else.

          1. Exposed them to a 99.9% risk of surviving.

            1. Exposed them to corona virus. Over 200k deaths. He should have at least worn a mask. He knowingly placed those people at risk. You can’t see the immoral and anti social nature of that?

              And you wonder why everyone sees you as a cult?

              1. “Exposed them to corona virus”

                That is a scientific claim you are attempting to make there, with no evidence.

                “Over 200k deaths”

                “He knowingly placed those people at risk.”

                You are assuming — without any evidence — that Trump knew he was infected.

                “You can’t see the immoral and anti social nature of that?”

                When the set up to your conclusion consists of a disjointed series of non-sequiturs and unproven assumptions, I do not see anything immoral about laughing off your stupidity.

  23. The Trump campaign is doomed.

    If Trump wins, it will be in spite of everything his campaign is doing to win–not because of it.

    The voters shouldn’t blame President Trump for the virus, the economy, or think that being infected is a sign that he’s lost the mandate of heaven, but that’s the feeling in the air.

    Because we don’t want things to happen doesn’t mean we should pretend that they won’t. If Joe Biden is elected, it will be a travesty for the economy, liberty, and justice. If the Trump campaign is doomed, we’re all doomed.

    DOOOOOOOOOOOOM!

    1. So what if Biden gets it too, and both he and Trump kick the bucket before Nov 3rd? They were both screaming at each other in the same room a couple of days ago, so not beyond the realm of possibility…

      1. *Rubs hands together in a maniacal fashion*

        1. Why, are you 3rd in line for the presidency?

          1. If you only knew….

      2. Trump won’t die. Not while he’s still in the spotlight.

        Biden might die. He doesn’t have as much to live for.

        1. Pretty sure that the DNC is planning for four years of President Kamala, so Old Joe doesn’t have long either way.

      3. New conspiracy theory
        Trump knew he had covid during the debate and intended to infect Joe since it will kill Joe but not Trump.

        1. 9D chess indeed.

          1. infinite universe dimensional

      4. That’s why we have the Electoral College. And Jo Jorgensen’s only chance.

      5. Trump is asymptomatic.

    2. “The Trump campaign is doomed.”

      Only if Trump becomes very sick and/or dies before the election.

      If Trump recovers in the next week or two, which is 95% likely (per existing evidence), he’ll likely emerge as a stronger candidate.

      1. He can’t do much to improve his chances of winning while he’s quarantined for those two weeks, and there are only four weeks left.

        This is bad.

        He wouldn’t have done this to himself on purpose because it’s good for his reelection chances.

        The best to hope for may be that the Democrats are so nasty to him while he’s sick that it disgusts swing voters.

        I want to believe.

        1. Democrat voters will never be swayed by how nasty Democrats react to this, most have been wishing for this publicly and for him to die. they are all crossing their fingers that he will die

          1. This.
            Democrat voters want nasty Democrat pols, and the Democrat pols want revenge on the plebs for 2016.
            As soon as they have power they are going to never going to let it go again.

            1. It’s so tired to accuse people of projection, but come on.

              And Republicans were working so hard to maintain civility and ethical norms!

              And their only policy goal of stacking the courts with ideologues was because they hate the idea of maintaining undemocratic power!

              1. “And Republicans”

                Yeah they’re awful too, 2 things can be true fuckhole.

              2. Basically the Republicans are a gang of greedy idiots who are opposing the forces of evil.
                It’s like a choice between low-level mobsters and Eldritch abominations.

                1. You watch way too much FOX News. You have been made into a blubbering tribal moron. Grow the fuck up and fix it.

                  1. God, the projection. Do you think anyone buys your shtick?

                  2. I’ve actually never watched Fox News. It wasn’t available up here until recently.
                    Anyway, I’ve told you time and time again Tony. You and everything you stand for is evil. You’re an enemy of humanity and proud of it. Everything you advocate is repellent.
                    I think you’re a monster, Tony.

            2. “As soon as they have power they are going to never going to let it go again.”

              That. There will be a loyal opposition, and they may actually win once in awhile, but they’ll move further to the Left than, say, an 80’s Democrat.

              Immigration is going to skyrocket. There will be other measures taken,

              The mask is off now.

        2. It’s a setback, but it’s not a fatal setback. Biden doesn’t do any campaigning at all, and it doesn’t seem like Harris does much either. So it will be a wash for two weeks, or until he gets another coronavirus test and that one comes back negative.

          1. Which is a smart strategy when your biggest appeal to the voting public is that you aren’t Trump.

          2. Biden can’t risk speaking in public because he might screw up.
            Harris can’t risk speaking in public because people don’t like her. Even the Democrats didn’t like her in the primaries. Biden just went with the candidate with the best hair.

            1. That and Harris puts out.

              They will definitely go their separate ways when Trump wins reelection. Joe Biden will be done in politics and Harris was done a long time ago.

        3. I want to believe.

          Are you telling us about your FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS again, Ken? That must be hard for you to do as you spend most days cowering in fear under your bed scared of the planeloads Antifa Bogeymen coming to burn down your suburban neighborhood. Help me, Daddy Trump, save me from the scary men!

          1. Well, it’s not like they’re going to go to those neighborhoods if they think they might get Joseph Rosenbaum’d, right?

            1. Is “get Joseph Rosenbaum’d” a euphemism for being shot by a 17-year-old militia wannabe?

              1. Would you rather Michael Forest Reinoehl’d someone, WK.

              2. Who you were trying to shoot or bash with a skateboard.

                1. You mean, that threw a water bottle at you.

                  1. White knight never fails to take the side of pedophiles

              3. Still salty that your boos got capped by a 17-year-old defending himself, shithead?

                1. suuuuuuper salty lolo

                2. Still have no concern that the politics of you and people like you led a 17-year-old boy to decide to become a militia hero, and possibly ruin his life.

                  1. Still have no concern that the politics of you and people like you led a 17-year-old boy to decide to become a militia hero,

                    Why should I have concern when your liberal fucknut buddies try to beat up and kill an armed 17-year-old boy who is in retreat mode or on his butt the entire time, and end up paying the price for their aggression?

                    Literally nothing of value was lost by Rosenbaum and Huber fucking around and finding out.

                    1. They attacked him for literally putting out a fire.
                      But opposing arson and defending oneself when in mortal danger apparently = playing militia, to the pedophile advocate white knight

                  2. Yeah, the kid cleaning graffiti and providing medical aid to anyone in the streets is the evil one. You’re really living up to your neutrality claims here.

                  3. Actually, no.

                    Kid stepped up to protect a community.

                    Why do you have no problem with police or notary but ‘militia’ bothers you so much?

            2. Actually, the planeloads of Antifa are starting forest fires in Oregon and California. Do try to keep up with the latest news!

              1. Are they? You seem quite familiar with the latest conspiracy theories, fat boy.

                1. Dear Leader Trump said so, and noted journalist Sean Hannity verified Trump’s claim, so it must be true!

                  1. Funny how the lefties and liberaltarians here all seem to be regular Fox viewers.

                    1. FoxNews pimps the same narrative they’re beholden to

              2. it only takes a few antifa nutcases to start a bunch of fires.
                why do you think Oregon started burning down?

                1. Can’t be because of hot weather, careless campers, and lots of tinder lying around in forests. Nope, it’s gotta be ANTIFA!

                  1. So nobody was arrested for starting fires?

                    1. It was ANTIFA! Of course!

                    2. chemjeff radical individualist
                      October.2.2020 at 12:34 pm

                      Can’t be because of hot weather, careless campers, and lots of tinder lying around in forests.

                      So nobody was arrested for starting fires?

                  2. You forgot to mention Gaia exacting her revenge in response to the industrial revolution.

                  3. Same way it was in Australia – oh wait, turned out it was a wave of arsonists.

          2. With the eliminationist rhetoric your pals Kirkland, Killallrednecks, Buttplug and Tony spew, who can blame him.

            Here’s former Twitter CEO Dick Costolo giving your game away: https://twitter.com/dickc/status/1311472075903647750

          3. “Are you telling us about your FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS again, Ken? ”

            Oh man he really stung you huh?

          4. “Are you telling us about your FEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELINGS again, Ken?”

            Actually, if you knew the difference between facts and feelings, you’d have seen that I was telling you what I thought despite my feelings, you idiot.

            “I want to believe”, but this is what I think . . .

            1. In Lying Jeffy’s defense, he’s a moron.

          5. lf you were capable of self-awareness and experienced an instance of it, I’d love to have a photo of the look on your face.

            1. Jesus Christ, that was aimed at Chemjeff, not Ken.

              1. Your awareness of where you’re dropping your posts is lacking. Pot, kettle……..

                Nah, just kidding, Jeff’s a douche.

            2. Self awareness represents an existential threat to chemjeff

        4. Trump can still campaign from the White House. Joe Biden has been campaigning from his basement for the past 6 months.

        5. If his quarantine is over in 14 days, he can still debate Biden. This will just give the networks a better excuse to put the candidates in isolation booths, and stop Trump from talking over Biden. Which will help Trump as Biden drifts off course.

        6. “He can’t do much to improve his chances of winning while he’s quarantined for those two weeks, and there are only four weeks left.”

          Cough—reschedule Marijuana—cough.

          I agree with you that this is shitty luck for him, and it’s very likely the Left will step on their dicks with glee, in all of their wishing him dead.

          That said, Biden hasn’t been setting the world on fire with public appearances, and his absences have actually been aiding his campaign. Yeah, yeah, incumbent vs unknown—even though this unknown’s been in the Senate literally longer than I’ve been alive.

    3. Trump’s re-election was doomed when the Dems took back the House in 2018 and Trump seemed to have not learned a thing from that defeat. More 7th grade behavior for another two years. Then the Covid 19 shutdown put the nail in his coffin. With the expected loss of the Senate, and little chance to regain it in 2022 due to the demographics, we libertarians will have little to cheer until the American voters wake up and elect adults who don’t believe in Santa Claus.

      1. I did a big analysis at the time here in comments–before the Midterm. There’s almost always a big reaction against whatever party is in the White House–when a new president faces his first midterm.

        The same thing happened to Clinton in 1994 and Obama in 2010. It would have happened to Bush Jr. if it hadn’t been for the midterm election in 2002 happening after 9/11 and before we invaded Iraq.

        There wasn’t anything to learn from the midterms of 2018–other than that there’s almost always a big reaction against whatever a new president does in his first 100 days. Terrorist attacks that unify the country behind the president being the exception that proves the rule.

        1. Here’s a link to that analysis.

          https://reason.com/2018/11/07/2018-midterm-election-results/#comment-7549923

          Some of the undecided races came in against Trump after that post, but it doesn’t change the fact that House Republicans’ performance in the 2018 midterms was more or less to be expected in light of other presidents in their first midterms–going back to the election of 1910.

          1. I don’t believe any voters look back and say “Well, historically the incumbent does worse in mid-terms, so I’m going to vote against him for that reason.” 2018 was a combination of Trump’s supporters being over-confident and staying home, the Left was fired up by Hillary’s loss and GOTV, and Trump’s behavior out of the gate (Inauguration crowd size, picking a fight with a Hollywood C-lister), and personnel decisions that were questionable. Weren’t many of the lost seats in districts that Trump actually won in 2016?

            1. I think it was a reaction to some of the things Trump did–and some of the things he didn’t do.

              And he fell within the middle of the spectrum of every other president–who didn’t have thee benefit of a national tragedy to legitimately rally the American people behind him.

              Most presidents try to make major changes within the first 100 days of their presidency, and because the House represents the population proportionately, there’s usually a big reaction to those changes in the House in the first Midterm. The more controversial the changes (see the reaction to Obama’s use of TARP and his ObamaCare as examples), the bigger the reaction against them.

              If Hillary Clinton had beaten Donald Trump, the House probably would have become even more Republican in the 2018 midterm. If Biden wins in 2020, the 2022 midterm elections will most likely put the House in Republican hands again.

              The outcome of a chess game is constrained by the number of squares on the board and the ways the pieces can move. And looking at the way this first midterm game board is shaped, you’re gonna lose a bunch of seats in the House–no matter where you stand on the issues. You can lose a hell of a lot more than the median by doing especially controversial things, but unless you get the Cuban Missile Crisis or 9/11, you’re losing a lot of seats.

              In other words, the issues don’t really matter–unless it’s an issue that’s completely out of your control like 9/11. There’s some extra risk in tackling especially controversial issues, but when you throw a right cross, your opponent will throw a jab into your ribs. Unless something dreadful and unexpected happens, you probably can’t win the presidency without taking losses in the House during your first midterm.

              1. Don’t sell Bush short. Not only could he have probably prevented 9/11 by being competent and interested in national security assessments, he got away with leveraging his failure to prevent it into a reelection he would otherwise have lost.

                If only Republicans could use their skills to actually govern effectively. But in fairness, they do campaign explicitly on not doing this.

            2. And Paul Ryan completely throwing the elections.

              Joe Biden gets a dozen people when he makes an appearance.
              Trump draws a thousand times that.

              Biden’s, and the left’s, only hope is massive vote fraud.

      2. Most of the swing state polls are within 5 percent, with Biden slightly ahead. Which means Trump is leading.

        1. Like I said, I want Trump to win.

          I just think there are too many things piling up against him. The economy tanking was bad enough, and whether it’s his fault doesn’t really matter. People vote against the president when things go bad. They don’t really understand what makes economies grow and why anyway.

          Now he’s stuck in the White House for two weeks with an illness the media, however so unfairly, paints as just deserts for not taking it seriously–and there’s only four weeks left?

          I hope I’m wrong.

          I want to be wrong, and we’re talking about probabilities here.

          I call it like I see it regardless.

          If it weren’t for the virus and the lockdowns, he’d be sailing to victory–and none of that is his fault.

    4. “The voters shouldn’t blame President Trump for the virus, the economy, or think that being infected is a sign that he’s lost the mandate of heaven, but that’s the feeling in the air.”

      That is the feeling in the Twitter bubble. Outside that alternate reality, people are perfectly capable of reasoning their way through the nonsense.

  24. Hope Hicks is extremely precious and shouldn’t be blamed for anything.

    Ever.

    1. It was predictable that such an ardent rider of the boytoy carousel would become infected.

      It’s mildly surprising it took so long.

      1. Do you treat aids victims with the same amount of contempt?

        1. Of course he does. He hates homosexuals and minorities.

          1. No. He hates homosexuals and minorities that down bow down and tow the party line. Even white males can be forgiven if only they’ll bend the knee.

          2. Kirkland took his name from a gay anime show.

            1. I thought his name came from cheap Costco private label products.

              1. It comes from this:
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetalia:_Axis_Powers#Allied_Forces

                Just like Tony and Buttplug, Kirkland’s a sexual deviant too.

      2. Does anybody understand what this is supposed to mean?

        1. She got infected because she deserves it.

          1. Naah.
            It doesn’t man anything; it’s key-board diarrhea from the asshole bigot.

      3. “It was predictable that such an ardent rider of the boytoy carousel”

        She told you no huh?

  25. Everyone talks about this RACE problem and says that this RACE problem will be over when the third-world pours into EVERY White country and ONLY into WHITE countries.
    Everyone says the final solution to this RACE problem is for EVERY White country and ONLY White countries to “assimilate,” that is, intermarry, with all those non-Whites.
    They’re pushing White Genocide!
    They claim they are “anti-racist”, what they are is anti-White.
    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    1. You might want to consider the fact that you are part of the problem.

      1. Maybe more than just a part…

    2. Well, actually, the trend of people of all different races and ethnic backgrounds intermarrying is one way of getting rid of racism (by getting rid of races). More interracial marriage is a good thing.

      1. Not if Ibram X. Kendi has his druthers.

      2. “intermarrying is one way of getting rid of racism (by getting rid of races”

        Hutus vs Tutsis laughs at your kumbayah naivete.

      3. The sorts of people who hate each other the most are the people most like each other.

        It would be delusional to think that everyone being ambiguously brown would end racism.

    3. Don’t make it about race. That’s the whole damn problem here. Assuming that one’s racial group is of primary importance. Culture is what matters. Encouraging people of all origins to embrace the culture and values that have made the US and other countries so successful. Your BS is as helpful as the idiots who try to tell us that working hard and valuing time are problematic symptoms of “whiteness”.

    4. Thank you prophet. Please tell me, what must a race traitor do for penance?

  26. Reprinting unsubstantiated conspiracy theories as news is NOT journalism.

    1. Welcome to Reason and Twitter based journalism.

    2. you’re here for the journalism?

    3. These guys aren’t journalists. I don’t think they would say they are.

      They are political commentators. Always have been.

      If you’re looking for journalism, well, that never really existed. Anywhere.

  27. My wife mentioned all the conspiracy theories flying around on Facebook and Tweeter. It would seem totally illogical for President Trump to use Covid19 for anything. All this does is point out his failures to first protect the country from Covid19 and now his failure to protect himself. I wish him a speedy recovery, a humiliating loss in November and a quite retirement in which he watches TV and never bother anyone again.

    1. I didn’t think 13 year olds could get married!

      1. In some states they still can.

        1. Do you know which states and what their real estate prices look like? Asking for Buttplug and Jeff.

      2. It’s not like her parents gave her any choice. It was the only way she was going to get out of the Moscow slums.

      3. Buttplug is his wife.

    2. The most insightful article I read this week, was about “Trump fatigue” setting in with voters:

      https://thehill.com/homenews/the-memo/519053-the-memo-trump-fatigue-spells-trouble-for-president

      Trump fatigue isn’t about seeing Trump as good or bad, but about being tired of the drama. Best line from the article: “You can see it on social media or in reputable publications,” Stipanovich said. “People saying, ‘I really want to just go for a week without thinking about the president of the United States.’”

      1. but about being tired of the drama

        Like the Russia Hoax, and the phony impeachment, and the Kavanagh insanity, and the Antifa riots, and the Covington kids and Jussie Smolett’s MAGA madmen?

        Pretty sure that was all your team’s fault.

        If the left hadn’t decided to act like psychotics for the last four years, the world would’ve been extraordinarily peaceful.

        1. You should talk to all the senate republicans who published their second report on Russia election interference. Their conclusion? It happened. All of it. Collusion galore.

          https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/512613-five-takeaways-from-final-senate-intel-russia-report

          You should also listen to McMaster, a Trump hire. He says that president trump is, “aiding and abetting Putin.”

          1. Lol, four implications of accusations that “need to still be investigated”, based on zero evidence whatsoever.

            Meanwhile, we know for a fact with ample documentation that Obama’s FBI used a bogus file of fiction bought by Hillary’s campaign and consorted with foreign agents to legitimize it to the FISA court.
            Obama’s FBI then deliberately mislead the judge so it could spy on the nominee for the other party and then pressure a probe after GOP victory, but this isn’t a scandal about the corruption of Democrats or the DOJ because shut up bot.

            1. We know, for a fact, that Trump campaign coordinated with Russian spies.

              1. OMFG THEY DID THEIR JOBS!!

                SECOND IMPEACHMENT!!!!

                Seriously you idiots derail the country and slow our response to Covid because of your stupid fucking fever dreams, and then after you get your dicks knocked in the dirt on impeachment, YOU KEEP DONG IT LOLOLOL

                1. Coordinating “campaigning” (electronic theft) with foreign spies is not their job, traitor.

                1. Just read the report. It is enlightening. Or are you willing to admit you are afraid of the truth? Or just not good at reading? Which is it?

                  1. I did.

                    It was a a big pile of innuendo and assumption and implication used to assert opportunistic outrage, without even one concrete fact.
                    It didn’t even claim its implications had a factual basis, just that they should be investigated in the future.

                    Of course you know that. You were just trying to deceive and hoped nobody would bother reading it.

                    You’re so utterly fucking dishonest.

          1. Lol some guy Trump fired?

            lololol

            1. “Some guy” who dedicated his entire working life to national security. “Some guy” who Trump hired.

              1. So some disgruntled loser Trump fired.

                Got it.

              2. ““Some guy” who dedicated his entire working life to national security.”

                So he’s even worse than Tulpa said.

                1. I forgot, experts are all commies. Kill anyone who wears glasses, amiright komrad?

            2. The message from those who served the Trump administration seems pretty consistent. This is not a one off.

      2. The media has had a pretty good strategy covering him. If you can’t beat him, beat people over the head with him until they disenfranchise themselves.

      3. “People saying, ‘I really want to just go for a week without thinking about the president of the United States.’”

        That is a bold take. It assumes people are too stupid to know who is beating them over the head with the drama bat.

        Hint: they aren’t.

        On my way to work, NPR was 100% Trump. Trump has virus, Trump won’t denounce white supremacy, Trump was horrible in debates.

        Trump is inevitable.

      4. Guilt and grievance fatigue had a big head start on trump. Riots didn’t help.

        It would be charitable to call it a wash. Keep dividing! Maybe the math will work for you. Haha.

    3. You poor Lefties. Trump is asymptomatic. There is nothing to recover from.

      It will be fun when Trump wins reelection.

      1. And the Democrat Party continues down its road to splitting into factions so the Party of slavery never bothers anyone again.

    4. “All this does is point out his failures to first protect the country from Covid19”

      If you think a government official can protect the country from a virus, you are in the wrong place.

      North Korea may be more suitable for your tastes.

      1. Well a number of other governments are doing significantly better.

        1. Haha. “….other governments”, eh? Not people?

          You’re so dependent. Pathetic.

  28. CA’s government has declared the economy will remain under government control until there is ‘equity’ in infection rates among all races; no, that is not Babylon Bee. So, now:

    “Bay Area leaders wrestle with state’s new health equity measures”
    […]
    “Some Bay Area public health leaders said Thursday that they remain unclear on how they will adhere to the state’s new “health equity” metric, intended to protect disadvantaged areas hardest hit by the coronavirus pandemic.
    One official said the new metric — which counties must meet in order to move forward with economic reopening — is inadequate and unfair. But others said that even if it’s not a perfect solution, they understood the value in tracking the disparate impact of the pandemic on some communities, and especially people of color.
    The health equity metric, which takes effect Tuesday, primarily relies on the positive test rate — the percent of coronavirus tests that come back positive, a statistic that is widely used as an indicator for when it’s safe to ease restrictions and reopen a local economy. Higher positive test rates indicate the virus is spreading more quickly….”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-health-leaders-wrestle-with-state-s-15614244.php?cmpid=gsa-sfgate-result

    Pretty sure there’s a very simple solution here: Start infecting whites until we reach equality, starting with Newsom, and working through any and all government officials. By the time we get to local school boards, we should be good to go!

    1. Experience says they will just stop testing minorities.

    2. Equality mandates are for the peasants, not the moneyed nobility.

    3. the economy will remain under government control

      The reason is irrelevant. This was always the goal. CA is fucked, and I pray to all that is holy that the feds don’t bail them out. Let the Dems reap the whirlwind for those bloated pensions they bribed the PEUs with.

  29. No, it’s not for the reason you would think:

    “Ethnic studies requirement for California high school graduation is vetoed by Newsom”
    […]
    “Newsom said he has directed state education officials to ensure that the next draft curriculum “achieves balance, fairness and is inclusive of all communities.”
    Assemblyman Jose Medina, the Riverside Democrat who carried the bill, called Newsom’s veto “a failure to push back against the racial rhetoric and bullying of Donald Trump.”…”
    https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Ethnic-studies-requirement-for-California-high-15611143.php

    Turns out Mexicans with an Asian grandfather and a German uncle weren’t included. The HORROR!
    Oh, and for the 13-year-old above: TRUMP!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. They are bringing money to pay for the wall.

    2. Never let it be said that you got yourself distracted from the primary policy goal of the right: protecting the white gene pool.

      1. And let no one forget, shitstain posts nothing but lies and bullshit.

        1. You afraid if the migrants get here you’ll be priced out of a job picking strawberries for a couple cents an hour? Aim higher. You have that privilege.

          1. And let no one forget, shitstain posts nothing but lies and bullshit.

            1. How much longer do you expect the country to bend over backward so you don’t have to face any difficult truths about yourself? Why shouldn’t I think of rightwingers as sad fearful manchildren who manifest their anxieties in desperate exercises of schoolyard bullying? I realize such a state of constant paranoia precludes any serious policy discussion, but being a cunt to everyone who’s not in your narrow, anxiety-ridden racial resentment cohort does tend to backfire.

              1. “but being a cunt to everyone who’s not in your narrow, anxiety-ridden racial resentment cohort does tend to backfire.”

                Tony speaks from experience.

              2. Why shouldn’t I think of rightwingers as sad fearful manchildren who manifest their anxieties in desperate exercises of schoolyard bullying?

                The projection in this post is off the charts.

                1. You beat me to it.

                2. It is the entirety of leftist thought

                  1. Yup. It’s ugly.

              3. More lies, bullshit, projection and whining.
                Stuff it up your ass, shitstain; the adults here find it tiresome.

              4. who’s not in your narrow, anxiety-ridden racial resentment

                Imagine a race-baiting bigot like Tony, insinuating other people are racially resentful. This is just like when Misek starts calling people close-mind for not agreeing when he calls the holocaust a hoax.

              5. “Why shouldn’t I think of rightwingers as sad fearful manchildren”

                Because the reality is they run and own everything you leech off of.

              6. “Why shouldn’t I think of rightwingers as sad fearful manchildren who manifest their anxieties in desperate exercises of schoolyard bullying?”

                Since no one gives a shit what you think, knock yourself out.

          2. See the enlightened anti-racist leftist claim that brown people are only good for picking crops and nothing else. I’d call this irony, but we’ve all seen enough blatant racism from leftists to know it’s a core part of their ideology.

      2. Downthread you’re whining about Trump’s lack of quarantine procedures and how it resulted in America being destroyed by COVID.

        Do you think these refugees are following CDC guidance about COVID on their trek to the US?

        1. Well, that would qualify as a lie and bullshit, so it’s likely.

        2. I think a normal person would have empathy for desperate people instead of scraping the barrel for excuses to continue treating them as undesirables.

          1. You yourself advocated for quarantines, I’m asking you why they don’t apply here. Is COVID a problem or not?

            Keep deflecting though, it is pretty entertaining.

            1. And you advocated for opening up society, right?

              1. And let no one forget, shitstain posts nothing but lies and bullshit.

              2. Answer the question and I’ll answer yours.

                1. If people risk their health and safety to get here, apart from going back in time and implementing the rational, compassionate, and effective progressive policy on this issue (I have details if you want them), I suppose the alternative you’re offering is to put them in concentration camps? That can’t be good for containment. What do you want me to do with desperate people? How much cruelty do you suppose will protect us from a virus you think is no big deal?

                  1. “I suppose the alternative you’re offering is to put them in concentration camps?”

                    No that was your guy FDR.

                  2. Ah, so quarantines are concentration camps. Glad to see you were advocating for throwing Americans into them on their return from China.

                    In this thread you have simultaneously advocated for throwing Americans into concentration camps because they wanted to come home from China, while also saying undocumented immigrants from South America should be free to enter the country. Does that not seem inconsistent to you?

                    I don’t think the virus is a big deal, you do. I’d never have locked us down to begin with. I also wouldn’t let the caravan in because my thoughts on immigration extend beyond “REEEEEEEEE COVID!!!!”

                    1. Free to enter… as opposed to what? I’ve laid out a lot here, now it’s your turn. How violently do you propose to treat refugees and migrant workers?

                    2. T, if missing the point were an Olympic sport, you’d have the gold metal.

                  3. I suppose the alternative you’re offering is to put them in concentration camps?

                    There is a much simpler and cheaper way to insure they stay 6 feet away form the rest of the populace and insures they pose no danger as a vector of infection. Their continuous ignoring of US sovereignty seems to be begging for such a reaction.

                    How stupid do you have to be, if you don’t want to be put in a concentration camp, to travel to the place with the concentration camps and demand entry. Maybe it is all theater?

                    1. I suppose the children cages, as awful as they are, are still better than the uh… lovely… countries they’re fleeing.

      3. If that’s true, it’s merely a reaction to the primary policy goal of the left: divide the populace by nonsensical unscientific “races” based on immutable characteristics , make that into the their most important trait that determines everything they are supposed to do and think, call it identity and then destroy the “white” gene pool.

        1. 1) Guatemalan isn’t a race to begin with.

          2) Ever notice that even the Tonys of the world never call them Americans or even North Americans even though that is the continent they live on. That is because he doesn’t really give a fuck about humanizing them, he would actually prefer they bash your head in and live in your house. Diversity in action!

          3) Tony is just trolling like a little bitch. He isn’t here to ‘answer questions’.

          4) My family were migrant workers going back 4 generations, so if you want to single me out as an elitist, you can fuck right off.

    3. Watch as the same people complaining that Trump isn’t doing enough to lock the country down start complaining that Trump is doing too much to lock the country down, at the same time.

    4. I am starting to wonder why anyone would want to come here.

    5. OH MY GOD THE ILLEGALS ARE COMING!

      1. Gee, Jeff, why not try to, oh, be honest once? Just once, so people here might not think you’re a pile of dishonest lefty shit.

        1. Hey, take it up with Ken. He’s the one clutching his pearls because the “migrant caravan” is supposedly coming.

          1. Gee, lefty shit, why not try to, oh, be honest once? Just once, so people here might not think you’re a pile of dishonest lefty shit.

            1. Being a dishonest piece of shit is part of his core. He can’t be anything else.

          2. “He’s the one clutching his pearls”

            You’re saying Ken spoofed your screen name?

            chemjeff radical individualist
            October.2.2020 at 11:18 am
            OH MY GOD THE ILLEGALS ARE COMING!

    6. “There’s another migrant caravan heading towards the U.S. border.”

      Tony considers this statement racist because he’s an idiot in the truest sense.

      The reason I brought it up is because this may develop into a campaign issue. They may end up at the border around the end of October.

      1. Regardless of how we feel about immigration, it seems to me that Joe Biden hasn’t made an issue of immigration at all–probably because he thinks it’s a losing issue.

        I suspect thousands of asylum seekers parking on our border in the midst of a pandemic would play well for Biden in the upcoming–against, regardless of how any of us feels about issue.

        Things are likely to work in Biden’s favor or against him regardless of whether we want them to and regardless of how we feel about those issues.

        1. “I suspect thousands of asylum seekers parking on our border in the midst of a pandemic would [NOT] play well for Biden in the upcoming–against, regardless of how any of us feels about issue.”

          —-Ken Shultz

          Fixed!

      2. The reason I brought it up is because I want it to become a campaign issue, to stoke fear and drive votes towards Dear Leader Trump.

        There, fixed it for ya Ken

        1. So, are you contending that a migrant caravan arriving on the U.S. border at the end of October isn’t likely to become a campaign issue–or are you just being a fucking moron for no reason again?

          1. I think that the right-wing hysteria over OMG MIGRANT CARAVANS is demagogic bullshit. I think that fear of the swarthy brown hordes can drive voters into Trump’s arms and I think that you are more than happy to play along with the demagoguery as long as it helps Dear Leader Trump, while pretending to make the case for a “rational” reason to vote for him.

            1. “I think that the right-wing hysteria over OMG MIGRANT CARAVANS is demagogic bullshit.”

              That’s a feeling, you idiot.

              The only thing resembling a fact there is the suggestion that a caravan at the border in late October probably doesn’t play in Biden’s favor during a pandemic in the days before the election.

              “The reason I brought it up is because this may develop into a campaign issue. They may end up at the border around the end of October.”

              —-Ken Shultz

              It’s a fact or not because it’s true or not regardless of how you feel about it or me, you idiot.

              1. Making up bullshit about what he thinks others think is one of Lying Jeffy’s favorite ways to lie.

        2. Please respond to Ken’s words rather than his secret motives, Mr. mind-reader.

      3. “They may end up at the border around the end of October.”

        You don’t say…. Probably has nothing at all to do with that Telemundo poll that suggested Hispanics are not as enamored with Biden as he needs.

        I’ll bet they’re here 3rd week of October.

  30. The craziest conspiracy of all is still how TDSers believe Trump downplayed and lied about Covid and its risks. We have him on audio and also have his actions: he was aware of it in mid January, did not trust the lies peddled by the CCP/WHO, and began travel restrictions by the end of the month. TDSers used these restrictions to attack him and call him a racist. His public actions were too ‘harsh’ and banning travel from China will magically cause millions of Americans, who harbor little to no animosity towards Chinese Americans, to genocide them instantaneously as a result. Within literally a day, we have grandstanding health commissioners from all our major cities claiming Trump’s statements about Covid are “misinformation” and that you should go out in public to Lunar New Year and Gay Pride parades and gather en masse. Politicians can delete their tweets, but everything is permanent on the internet. We have Pelosi on video, DeBlasio on Twitter, etc.

    Trump banned most European travel to the US in early March. Within 2 months of Trump’s initial travel ban, Pelosi and the House formally open an investigation into his “mishandling” of the pandemic response.

    TDSers and leftists are subversives. Make sure to archive incriminating links and create timelines as much as possible. The media is their weapon and the truth is ours.

    1. His China ban probably made things worse since it caused people to rush home to America before proper quarantine procedures were in place. His attempt to assign the Chinese nationality to a virus is indeed racist.

      1. And let no one forget, shitstain posts nothing but lies and bullshit.

        1. It’s not exactly a dog whistle dude.

          1. And let no one forget, shitstain posts nothing but lies and bullshit.

            1. You’re record’s stuc… your record’s stuc… your record’s stuc..

              1. So’s Tony’s; same song, different key. Lies and bullshit.

          2. Tony’s good with dog whistles. He always hears them.

      2. Is that your scientific analysis?

        1. It’s the analysis of the guy who predicted all this before it happened vs. that of a charlatan who never met a self-serving racist narrative he didn’t like.

            1. Bill Gates famously made the case for why the China ban actually made things worse. It’s a logical argument, and we should not let any desperate need to give Trump undue credit cloud that.

              This crisis has been handled in the most godawfully incompetent way possible. If we don’t get anything else out of this, maybe we’ll reacquire the notion that intelligent people doing serious work is better than demagogues flailing around like insane people. Trump eviscerated the very contagion procedures that could have helped in the name of Black Man Bad.

              1. Lies and bullshit but once more.

              2. Dr. Fauci supported the travel restrictions.

                Who should I believe? Our primary health authorities as endorsed by Brad Pitt, or an internet troll whining about his favorite megacorp ex-CEO?

                1. Fine, take it as a win, if that’s what you need.

                  1. Isn’t this the part where we say “Science!” and one of us is an inbred hick?

                    Dr. Fauci has “Dr” there, so that means I’m safe. Whew!

                    1. You seem to be motivated in an unseemly way to defend a politician everyone knows is an incompetent fraud. If that’s what you need to get through the morning, who am I to take that away?

                    2. Why are you sharing your self-affrimation Mr Smalley?

                    3. It’s really not my fault that you guys attack a horrible president for mostly bullshit.

                      He closed the border during a pandemic? Something multiple nations are doing right now? Really, that’s why he’s the worst president in the world?

                      You can find a happy medium of criticizing the president while not destroying your own credibility. You can do it. I believe in you.

                  2. Take it as a ‘loss’, shitstain. You’ve been busted for bullshit one more time.

      3. So that caravan of migrants needs to be quarantined for Americans’ safety, right?

    2. By March it was too late. The disease was already endemic. The time to catch it would have been within a few weeks of the initial outbreak.

      1. And yet, USA is doing about as badly as possible, occupying the bottom of the stats with countries like Brazil for company. Pretty sad for the most powerful nation on earth.

        1. “And yet, USA is doing about as badly as possible, occupying the bottom of the stats with countries like Brazil for company. Pretty sad for the most powerful nation on earth.”

          States run by lefty shits like you doing the worst; might be a lesson there, lefty shit.

          1. Look at the stats, back out New York and New Jersey and the United States looks a Hell of a lot better compared to the rest of the world.

            Mostly due to Governor Cuomo deciding to turn nursing homes into abattoirs. Not that Reason sees a problem with that.

            1. If every country got to back out their most densely populated cities, they would all be doing much better.

              1. How about we let every country back out areas where nursing homes were forced to accept Covid patients, you lefty piece of shit.

                1. Lol.

                  Getting mad? Don’t have logical points to back up your deeply held beliefs?

                  Maybe politics just isn’t you thing.

                  Sports are back on. Just go with that.

                  1. Are you disagreeing with my “deeply held belief” that it was a bad idea to force nursing homes to take Covid patients or ignoring it?

                    And no, realizing you’re a lefty piece of shit doesn’t make me mad.

        2. Why do you insist on comparing yourself to others as though that were a useful metric?

    3. TDSers and leftists are subversives.

      And what’s the proper way to deal with “subversives”? C’mon, folks, do you really need someone to connect the dots for you?

      1. “And what’s the proper way to deal with “subversives”? C’mon, folks, do you really need someone to connect the dots for you?”

        Lefties toss them in camps, starve or shoot them, lefty shit.

        1. And what do righties do with “subversives”? Let them go with a pat on the back?

          1. Scared your lefty boos might not be welcomed with open arms, fat boy?

            1. It’s still funny to me he admitted he’s fat.

          2. “And what do righties do with “subversives”? Let them go with a pat on the back?”

            Dunno. Why don’t you try doing something rather than posting bullshit here?

          3. If this website is any judge, they converse with you

      2. That’s the whole point of trying to talk things through now.

        The KKK, alt-right and many militia groups are subversives as well. The reason we can laugh about them is because their ideas are not legitimized by government.

    4. It is called “doublethink.”

      Believing two contradictory things, simultaneously.

      Idiots do it all the time and do not even know they are doing it.

  31. When asked on MSNBC if the White House had reached out to her regarding the continuity of government, Pelosi, D-Calif., said, “No, they haven’t. “But that is an ongoing, not with the White House but with the military, quite frankly, in terms of the — some officials in the government,” she said.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/10/02/pelosi-continuity-of-government-in-place-after-trump-tests-positive-for-covid.html

    1. She’s calling for a coup openly? DNC internal polling must really suck.

  32. > “But his image depends on being a bull god street fighter Adonis who outworks men half his age.”

    Sorry, but you’re just not thinking like a good conspiracist. Not QAnon, they have a vested interest in the President not actually testing positive. But other conspiratards would say this: “The president has feigned coronavirus to get him out of the debates because he knows he’s going to lose the election, so this is his exit strategy. It’s actually his Plan B. Plan A is to come back in early November saying that is now well, and cancel the election because the debates were not held. Riots will erupt, and he will then declare martial law. Follow the ego.”

    1. no, that’s a lame conspiracy.

      a good conspiracy is that the Trump campaign learned that Biden tested positive this week but was going to keep it quiet. So Trump and team are faking their own infection where they will quarantine, but appear in great health and continue to campaign virtually, while Biden’s team struggles to do anything. If they admit Biden has it, then health is compared. If they don’t admit it, then they’ll look bad while Biden doesn’t do much campaigning while Trump is going a mile a minute.

  33. See, if he had only attended BLM protest/riots he wouldn’t have caught the virus.

    1. Sure because the fires sterilize the air

  34. At least Melania got away with bashing Christmas on tape. That news cycle sure got buried.

    1. “First Lady Melania Trump is heard complaining about Christmas decorations on a tape secretly recorded by Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a former friend and senior adviser to the first lady.”
      https://www.messenger-inquirer.com/news/national/melania-trump-complains-about-christmas-stuff-on-secret-tapes/video_d364de0c-944d-5907-92dc-a53024c922a6.html

      More lies and bullshit; how…..
      Pathetic

      1. Well we wouldn’t want to overreact to the unguarded moments of a politician or his wife. Your eight years of forgiving deference to the Obamas is paying dividends with your credibility no doubt.

        1. God damn Eric do you cry about literally everything?

          It’s been 4 years let your butthurt go.

          1. The only crying that’s gonna happen is by everyone who chose to cast their lot with the world’s most obvious con man, possible world’s poorest person, and definitely world’s worst businessman.

            All of the shit talk from you uneducated hillbilly rubes will come home to roost. You will never be taken seriously again. You will die shouting into the wind, but not before you will be cucked by a veritable conga line of black Marxists.

          2. Gay men take decorations very seriously.

    2. It’s the media’s constant bowing to Donald Trump which is the most unfair and unequal.

    3. For a guy who was screaming last year about how he hated Christmas and how the Rockefeller Center Christmas Tree was an evil Christianist symbol, it’s incredibly hypocritical of you to try and use that as a gotcha.

      1. lol. you guys are on constant defense on all fronts. Hilarious. Just accept reality and this will all be so much easier for you.

        Trump is, and always has been, a conman. He has had judgements of fraud against him in court many times. Basically every person who has ever known him who is not currently accepting pay from him says that he is a total fraud, a child, a moron, a racist, and a traitor.

        I know, I know. He tells you what you want to hear. But we all must grow up out of fairy tales one day.

        1. we all must grow up out of fairy tales one day.

          Like these?
          Hands up, don’t shoot.
          Trump’s a Russian spy.
          Kavanaugh ran a secret gang rape cartel.
          Covington kids assaulted a vet.
          Trump said neo-Nazis were “fine people”
          MAGA madmen lynched Smollet
          Trump told Cohen to lie to Congress
          Mostly peaceful
          Breonna Taylor

          1. Antifa is just an idea

          2. Mother, you are about the worst at over-use of the Kremlin disinformation tactic of “Nah uh, you are.” It’s funny that Trump and Russia have used this against you so many times that you have internalized it, and seem to think this is how rational people debate. It is not.

            I don’t subscribe to any of your strawman points, so what do they have to do with me, and more germane, what do they have to do with believing in a fantasy in which a man who has been well known to be a conman since the early 80’s is actually a die hard patriot who is dismantling a conspiracy of power hungry GS employees and …every scientist on earth, apparently?

            1. “…It’s funny that Trump and Russia have used this against you so many times that you have internalized it, and seem to think this is how rational people debate. It is not….”

              Trump and the russkis? Oh, are you scared?
              Pathetic piece of lefty shit…

            2. the Kremlin disinformation tactic of “Nah uh, you are.”

              1. You really are. You’re mindbogglingly dishonest and lie in virtually every post you make.

              2. “Because shut up, bot” isn’t really the stinging riposte you imagine it is, and stems from your penchant for McCarthyist fairy tales.

              3. “every scientist on earth”. Hey anti-vaxxer, is that what they told you when they were healing your Chakra?

        2. >>judgements of fraud

          fraud is a lack of diligence.

          1. That’s your defense?! LOL

            1. no it’s my assertion.

              1. You think this somehow is a refutation that Trump is a con, correct?

                1. I’m not keyboard warring with you it’s a global comment. got defrauded? should have done homework.

                  1. And yet you thought it was worthwhile to type it out.

                    So now you’ve pivoted to, “Buyer beware.” So it is everyone else’s fault that Trump is a con?

                    I’m having a hard time with this gymnastics routine.

                    1. “…I’m having a hard time with this gymnastics routine.”

                      Lefty shits find thinking hard.

                    2. >>And yet you thought it was worthwhile to type it out.

                      dispelling “fraud!” when I see it is worthwhile yes.

                      >>So it is everyone else’s fault that Trump is a con?

                      I don’t do everyone else. I’m sorry T hurts you so hard.

                      >I’m having a hard time with this gymnastics routine.

                      yoga and calisthenics?

        3. “Trump is, and always has been, a conman.”

          That term has a specific meaning and nothing he’s done qualifies, which doesn’t stop lefty shits with TDS like you from lying about it constantly.
          Fuck off and die; your family will thank you.

        4. Lol, add DOL to the list of gay men that take decorations very seriously. Weird flex, but you do you.

  35. Did you hear the latest?

    Biden sent out this fundraising email asking people to join the “Biden Army” to fight against “the right-wing hate mob”. It even came with a fundraising gimmick that the Biden would send the donor a camo-style campaign hat. Sounds vaguely fascist to me, using these military metaphors, believing that one’s own supporters are a part of some “Army”, sending out military-themed gear to “fight” against one’s presumed opponents (viewed as enemies, of course) – isn’t that straight from the Nazi Brownshirt concept? Figures that the left-wing would devolve into a bunch of fascist assholes. Thank heavens we have Trump who is fighting against such wicked fascism.

    https://www.mediapost.com/publications/article/352324/trump-email-invites-supporters-to-join-army-rep.html?edition=118693

    1. poor chemjeff….did you get triggered by the scary language?

      1. Oh I’m not triggered. It’s mildly amusing to see 500-lb guys in scooters rolling around wearing camo hats. What battle do they think they are going to fight?

        But don’t for one minute think that if any Democrat had done what Trump did, that you wouldn’t have every single right-winger around here denouncing it as “reminiscent of Nazi fascist brownshirt tactics”.

        1. “…It’s mildly amusing to see 500-lb guys in scooters rolling around wearing camo hats. What battle do they think they are going to fight?..”

          Not nearly as amusing as watching lefty shits drag strawmmen around.

        2. But don’t for one minute think that if any Democrat had done what Trump did, that you wouldn’t have every single right-winger around here denouncing it as “reminiscent of Nazi fascist brownshirt tactics”.

          Yep. And their lack of self awareness is staggering.

          1. their lack of self awareness is staggering

            Project much? Did it ever occur to you that the tactics are effective because many of the same conditions exist today as existed in Germany in the 1920s? In particular, the Marxists rioting in the streets?

            Fuck, you guys can’t see the forest for the root you just stubbed you toe on.

            1. Did it ever occur to you that the tactics are effective because many of the same conditions exist today as existed in Germany in the 1920s?

              Good point. I mean, just like Germany we’ve got a shortage of workers thanks to millions being killed in the War, an economy hobbled by the aftermath of the War, hyperinflation, reparations, lost territory….

              Yeah. So similar.

              1. If everything isn’t similar, you should never make comparisons!

                1. Yeah. Great point. I mean, forget hungry people and worthless money. That’s not at all important.

                  1. “Yeah. Great point.”

                    Thanks!

              2. “Good point. I mean, just like Germany we’ve got a shortage of workers thanks to millions being killed in the War, an economy hobbled by the aftermath of the War, hyperinflation, reparations, lost territory….”

                You should try to educate yourself from something other than Parade magazine.
                There was no lack of workers; there was a lack of jobs, the reparations were never paid, and so forth.
                You are a blithering idiot.

                1. The economy was completely shattered due to outside forces, people were hungry, and the currency was worthless. They were ready for any kind of change.

                  When Americans are hungry then you can get back to me about this idiotic comparison.

                  You’re just doing a feeble Godwin trying to compare these BLM idiots to organized fascists.

                  1. “…You’re just doing a feeble Godwin trying to compare these BLM idiots to organized fascists.”

                    I did nothing of the sort; I pointed out that you shouldn’t post regarding subjects of which you are ignorant.
                    You should try being honest at least once, lefty shit.

                    1. Wait a minute. Am I ignorant or dishonest? Obviously you are a historian, so please, educate me about Germany in the 20s. Tell me about the full bellies, the stable currency and the robust economy. Tell me about how the country wasn’t shattered as a result of the war and its aftermath. And tell me how the situation in this country is so similar. C’mon, oh wise History Man. Enlighten me.

                    2. “Am I ignorant or dishonest?”

                      Both. Although the dishonesty seems to be a new symptom of your anger after you were broken.

                      You should really just go back to the bad jokes, you’ll be happier.

                    3. You should try talking about the subject instead of making arguments against the person. Just once. Give it a go.

                  2. You’re just doing a feeble Godwin trying to compare these BLM idiots to organized fascists.

                    feeble Godwin? You like to sound smart, don’t you? Try actually using that giant brain to do some critical thinking. I was comparing Marxist rioters fighting with police today to the Marxist rioters fighting with police in 1929.

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blutmai

                    1. I know what you were referring to. I’m saying that when you take into account everything else that was going on, the comparison starts to unravel. The Marxists weren’t the only people marching in the streets, were they? It’s almost as if you’re saying that those who oppose the Marxists should get their act together and march in response. With camo MAGA hats.

                    2. Close. I wasn’t saying they should. I was saying it is the reaction to expect based on history.

                      Marxism rises, and reactionary fascism to meet it.

              3. Good point. I mean, just like Germany we’ve got a shortage of workers thanks to millions being killed in the War millions being locked down for COVID-19, an economy hobbled by the aftermath of the War lockdowns for COVID-19, hyperinflation, reparations, lost territory massive unemployment, hyperpartisanship, race-baiting….

                Yeah. So similar.

                FTFY.

                1. You do realize that the current economic hardships are 100% self imposed, right? That makes it a lot different. They responded to a strong man who would lift them out and bring back the glory days. That’s quite a bit different.

                  And you completely ignore hyperinflation and hunger, as if worthless money and empty pantries are not a big deal.

                  I don’t know which talk radio host started this “Just like Germany in the 20s!” meme. Probably Beck. Sounds like his shtick. But it’s stupid. Really, really stupid.

                  1. LOL! I have an actual understanding of history from research and discussions. I don’t get talking points from anyone. Try it, you seem like you could benefit.

                2. “They responded to a strong man who would lift them out and bring back the glory days. That’s quite a bit different.” -me

                  On second thought, that’s exactly what the Trumpsters are doing. My bad.

                  1. So broken, you just went with Trump is Hitler.

                    1. Um, no dingy. Those advocating for a fascist response to antifa are the ones doing that.

              4. So what you’re saying is, when they said Trump was literally Hitler and was going to put people in cattle cars, they were being hyperbolic?

                Damn. If only somebody, or a lot of sombodies, had said that he’s not really that bad.

        3. What battle do they think they are going to fight?

          “The Battle for Jeffy’s Basement was decisively settled today when a 500 lb guy on a scooter ate the cookies that jeffy’s mom had left for him at the top of the stairs. Jeffy quickly surrendered in tears when he realized the cookies were lost.”

          1. Oh look, it’s Chucky, “advocating for other people’s liberty is socialism”, the one true libertarian.

            1. Oh look its Jeff, the guy who loved Cuties.

              1. dammit I had already forgotten that creepy shit existed.

            2. Ever met an argument you didn’t twist into nonsense?
              Libertarianism is me being responsible for me and you being responsible for you.

              If you think I should have to fight some redneck who wants to eat your cookies for you, it’s not going to happen.

              1. No, that is not libertarianism. That is self-absorbed narcissism.

                Libertarianism is advocacy for liberty for its own sake. Not just my own liberty, but everyone’s liberty. Because human beings are better off when they are free to make their own decisions instead of being directed by a coercive authority to obey. THAT is libertarianism. Take your self-absorbed bullshit elsewhere.

                1. “Libertarianism is advocacy for liberty for its own sake.”

                  Which is pretty much what he posted and you clearly do not understand.
                  Lefty shits find thinking hard.

                  1. What he posted was the “Every man is an island” caricature that leftists use to mock libertarians.

                    1. “What he posted was the “Every man is an island” caricature that leftists use to mock libertarians.”

                      And every individual isn’t? To whom do you owe allegiance? The country? ‘Society’?

                    2. No I didn’t. If I meant that, I would have said that. Jeff is referring back to a conversation about lockdowns when I said I wasn’t responsible for his health.

                    3. “And every individual isn’t? To whom do you owe allegiance? The country? ‘Society’?”

                      Leftists use that caricature because it rules out voluntary cooperation. They feel that cooperation only happens under government duress. When you promote the “every man is an island” idea then you just give them fuel for the fire.

                      Liberty means being responsible for yourself, but it also means being free to cooperate with others without asking permission or obeying orders. The latter is just as important as the former.

                    4. “Leftists use that caricature because it rules out voluntary cooperation.”

                      Why are you changing the subject? Because you got busted for bullshitting again?

                    5. Jeff is referring back to a conversation about lockdowns when I said I wasn’t responsible for his health.

                      Without going back and reading the conversation, I will just say that in my observations the people who refuse to wear masks and continue to gather in large groups aren’t freedom fighters. They’re assholes.

                    6. Why are you changing the subject? Because you got busted for bullshitting again?

                      That whooshing sound was my point sailing over your head.

                    7. You really should try being honest just once, lefty shit.

                    8. Oh, look. The child is scoring points again instead of attempting a conversation. So cute!

                    9. Hey look – emotionally and intellectually crippled sarcasmic is again blaming others for him being an asshole.

                2. Jeff, I am completely serious here. I would love to agree with your description of Libertarianism, but it is child-like and inadequate to deal with reality of human interaction. Do you realize that your creed justifies the invasion of Iraq 100%. Is Iraq a free country today?

                  Freedom is not something given to you and certainly not something inflicted on others, which is really paternalism that wears the trappings of freedom. Paternalism is easily rescinded as we can see today with the emergency mandates. Freedom is something you fight for yourself and it means you are responsible for yourself. Jefferson understood this when he wrote the DOI, maybe you read that document again with a critical eye.

                  1. Good luck with your insurrection.

                    1. You really should try being honest just once, lefty shit.

                  2. Do you realize that your creed justifies the invasion of Iraq 100%.

                    No. My definition of libertarianism justifies advocating for the liberation of all people everywhere, including Iraq It does NOT justify the TACTIC of murdering people in order to “set them free”. You are conflating a philosophy with a tactic.

                    Freedom is something you fight for yourself and it means you are responsible for yourself.

                    So those who are too weak to stand up to an authoritarian oppressive state, they can never be free and never should be?

                    Your philosophy is that liberty must be earned. That is 100% wrong. My philosophy is that liberty is the birthright of every human being everywhere.

                    From the Declaration of Independence:

                    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

                    See that? All “men” (really, people) are “endowed” with liberty. Liberty is not a privilege that must be earned through force of arms. We all have it just by being born. Maybe YOU should read some liberty-affirming literature for a change.

                    You are not a libertarian. You are a cynical narcissist. Go back to your bunker and polish your guns.

                3. “Not just my own liberty, but everyone’s liberty.”

                  Except for Chinese citizens, bigot.

                4. Chuck: “Libertarianism is me being responsible for me and you being responsible for you.”
                  Chemjeff: “No, that is not libertarianism. That is self-absorbed narcissism.”

                  I’m just gonna leave this here…

        4. “Oh I’m not triggered”

          100 percent proof you’re triggered lolol

          1. He’s definitely triggered.

    2. I don’t love the militarism of it either. But it just so happens that there are currently left-wing mobs burning shit down in many cities.

      1. Yeah but they do it because it lets them play out their tough guy fantasies and that applies to both sides. This is fun for both of them.

      2. So the correct response for the president of the most powerful nation on earth is to start his own hate mob?

        1. Two wrongs make a right (winger).

          1. Oh shit sarc is drunk again.

            1. Well in his defense, it is after noon, and he’s broken.

      3. there are currently left-wing mobs burning shit down in many cities

        Zeb can see why the militarism is effective, why can’t the lefty shills? Oh, yeah, because they support the mobs.

        1. “Antifa made Trump act like a fascist idiot!”

          1. You really should try being honest just once, lefty shit.

          2. That’s kind of funny. Especially with the Trumpsters comparing Antifa to the Communists marching in Germany in the 20s, and in response actually promoting the idea of forming their own brown shirts (fascist) army to combat the communist threat. Do they even know what they’re saying?

            1. Yes, I know exactly what I am saying. Fascism rises in response to communism. The lefties are begging for this reaction. The fact that you won’t acknowledge it makes me more certain I am on the right track.

              The difference between today and the 1920s is that we have the US Constitution. If we can manage not to abandon it.

              1. If you want to have an honest conversation with me you’ve got to drop this idea that I’m a leftist. Same with jeff for that matter. We’re libertarians, but we’re not conservatives. That doesn’t mean leftist. Ever heard of the Nolan chart? Politics isn’t a two dimensional line with everything right of Trump being leftist.

                1. … everything right left of Trump…

                  Oh for an edit button.

                2. If you want to have an honest conversation with me you’ve got to drop this idea that I’m a leftist. Same with jeff for that matter.

                  1) Jeff is a man-child. Read what he wrote above. You agreed that he has no idea what libertarianism means. He thinks not only that government can make peoples lives better (it can’t), but that we as individuals have a duty to participate. He thinks you can force people to be free.

                  2) If you don’t want to be lumped in with leftists, quit defending them. I don’t give a shit if you stomp Trump for being a fascist or corporatist whore. But when by doing reflexively you advocate far inferior Democrat/socialist positions, you do us all a disfavor. Think it out. If the other side’s position is worse, you have to say that or else you are being obtuse.

        2. States rights until they don’t sufficiently smash the skulls of their protesters!

          1. You really should try being honest just once, lefty shit.

            1. Like you every time you advocated for local control?

    3. Are you sure he didn’t originally send this out in about mid-May? That would explain a couple of things.

    1. Big deal, that’s to be expected.

      1. At least they’re being honest, unlike ENB.

    2. Yeah, this about the only way Democrats can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on this: make themselves seem so nasty and obnoxious to swing voting women in the Midwest, that they’d rather not vote for anybody.

      When kids are playing in the sandbox, and the boys start throwing mud at each other, the girls don’t usually pick a side and join in. They just get out of the sandbox.

      1. Where I grew up the girls would probably just start kicking you.

      2. Yeah, this about the only way Democrats can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory on this: make themselves seem so nasty and obnoxious to swing voting women in the Midwest, that they’d rather not vote for anybody.

        Just outside our little ‘burb there’s a ‘T’ intersection. On the one corner, is a Jesuit retreat. On the other corner is an elementary school. Behind that is a Presbyterian church. The property owner at the top of the ‘T’ put up 2 large (3’x6′) Trump/Pence signs. Somebody spraypainted “Fuck Trump” over them. They probably would’ve helped Biden more by tearing down the 3’x6′ signs and putting up 4’x8′ signs. Instead, every Sunday school mom and parent of a K-5th grader that rides the bus gets to reconcile any incremental support they may have for Biden with explaining “Fuck Trump” to their gradeschooler/Sunday school kids.

        1. It means “insert your penis into his rectum” dear. Now don’t forget you have soccer practice after Sunday school. I’ll pick you up and bring you lunch.

          Kids gotta grow up sometime.

    3. Did you expect anything else? If Pelosi gets it tomorrow do you think right wing Twitter won’t be saying the exact same things? I couldn’t be more over people treating the Twitterati as if they should be taken seriously.

      1. I didnt wish RBG to die.

        I knew she would while Trump was Prez and she was a selfish bitch.

        Same with Pelosi. I want that bitch to be alive to watch Trump win reelection and the Democrat party fall apart.

          1. Projection at its finest.

          2. Cite me Tony. You cant because I never said I wished she would die.

            1. I did say that she was a selfish bitch who would die where Trump could replace her.

              I bet you cried for days after RBG croaked.

              I have another prediction for you Tony: Trump will be reelected.

              Trump will get to replace Breyer and Thomas. At least, I hope Thomas retires soon.

  36. Trump is winning the voter registration battle against Biden in key states

    As deadlines approach, new data from the past few months shows Republicans have swamped Democrats in adding new voters to the rolls, a dramatic GOP improvement over 2016, even if new registrations have lagged 2016 rates across the board. It’s a sign that in a pandemic, Democrats are struggling to seize traditional opportunities to pad their margins, such as the return of students to college campuses.

    Of the six states Trump won by less than 5 points in 2016, four — Arizona, Florida, North Carolina and Pennsylvania — permit voters to register by party. In all four states, voter registration trends are more robust for the GOP than four years ago.

  37. >>The galaxy brain take is that Trump is faking COVID to get out of the debates or distract from the tax stuff,” tweeted author Mike Rothschild

    “galaxy brain take” short for “I’m retarded and I’m taking you with me”

  38. This is what Biden was hoping for. I don’t know if masks work but basement dwelling works for sure. Now Biden can attribute has lack of infection to masks, without any proof, and run with it.

    1. If the biggest tyranny you face is simple hygiene measures, one wonders what you’re bitching about the rest of the time.

      You people are behaving very strangely with this mask stuff. Nobody likes wearing a mask, but it’s not a goddamn straightjacket, much as many of you may need that.

      1. Lefty cowards can crawl in a hole and stay there.
        Your health is YOUR concern, not mine.

        1. Okay then you can whine about your tax rate to someone else I guess.

      2. >>but it’s not a goddamn straightjacket

        worse. arms unnecessary for human interaction. faces required.

        1. This not being able to see facial expressions really sucks. Especially for children. That’s kinda necessary for social interaction and reading people. Also doesn’t help when you meet a lady with pretty eyes and a nice ass, and when you get alone and she takes off the mask you discover she’s a snaggletooth.

          1. lol butterface. sometimes the snaggletooth is a benefit but everyone’s pain tolerance differs

            I haven’t spoken to a particular co-worker since May because she treated me like a leper for not having a mask on *in the kitchen* … but yesterday I instinctively said “howdy” to her in the hall because she was masked and hatted and I couldn’t tell it was her until it was too late … newman

            1. I was recently being doted on by a nurse with Anna Kendrick’s eyes and legs that won’t quit, and was really enjoying it until I saw her name tag. Yikes! Get her to the dentist! Stat!

      3. Masks are about as effective as the TSA. Sure, groping grandma isn’t a straight jacket, so it’s ok right?

      4. If the biggest tyranny you face is simple hygiene measures,

        You know who else was a fan of mandatory hygiene?

  39. Trump was infected by a Russian engineered Corona virus added to McDonalds special Big Mac sauce placed by a Soros funded Antifa supporter.

  40. In addition to masks, the press believes in the eye of newt, and toe of frog, … double, double, toil and trouble. The NY Times now has a big cauldron in their lobby. Chuckie Schumer is tending it today.

  41. Joe Biden is “a suggestion imbued with an infinite number of possibilities. He can be anything you want,” writes David Harsanyi.

    Harsanyl nails it again. Meanwhile Reason writers make a big mess regurgitating DNC taliking points all over themselves.

  42. Please. Couldn’t be more obvious – he got royally spanked in the first round of debates & wants out. No “conspiracy theory” involved. Covid infection my fat Irish keister. ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Not that Biden’s any better of a choice…

  43. Personally, I’m considering writing in “Extinction Level Comet Impact”, running on the “it was good enough for the dinosaurs” platform. Out of our entire population, THIS is the best we can do??????????? These two idiots? Seriously? SMGDH…

  44. I have read somewhere that this is another political tactic to gain sympathy and ultimately votes. i dont know to how extent, it could be true but still….. what do you think about it?

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  45. It is very simple. Trump has been incredibly irresponsible as a person and a President for the entire COVID situation. His irresponsibility finally caught up with him. The sad–and infuriating-thing is that he has placed so many other people, including his own family, at risk with his reckless and ignorant approach and behavior.

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