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Trump's Vaccine Cheerleading Is Undermining Public Trust in the Vaccines

Polls show a country increasingly leery of a politicized COVID-19 vaccine approval process.

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President Donald Trump has suggested several times that a vaccine for COVID-19 could become available before Election Day. Polls suggest that the more the president touts the hurried arrival of a COVID-19 vaccine, the more distrustful Americans become of the vaccine approval process and the less likely they are to get inoculated once one becomes available.

On Wednesday, in light of that growing unease with the speed at which COVID-19 vaccines are being developed and tested, public health officials outlined new, higher standards for ensuring that COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective before the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approves them for emergency use. Asked about the proposed stricter guidelines later that day, Trump replied: "That has to be approved by the White House. We may or may not approve it. That sounds like a political move."

The president made the salient point that "if they delay [a vaccine] a week or two weeks or three weeks, that's a lot of lives you're talking about." The president also declared that he has "tremendous trust in these massive companies that are so brilliantly organized, in terms of what they've been doing with the tests." He specifically referenced Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson, and Moderna, the current leaders in the race to develop and deploy a COVID-19 vaccine.

However high his regard is for these companies, they are certainly worried about Americans' trust in the vaccines they are developing. Earlier this month, to allay public fears that political pressure will rush the approval of their vaccines, nine leading pharma companies issued a pledge committing themselves to "developing and testing potential vaccines for COVID-19 in accordance with high ethical standards and sound scientific principles." The companies specifically said that they would submit their vaccines only "after demonstrating safety and efficacy through a Phase 3 clinical study that is designed and conducted to meet requirements of expert regulatory authorities."

During his Wednesday press conference, the president suggested that the vaccine makers have been making great progress. "They're coming back with great numbers and statistics and tests and everything else that they have to come back with," he said. "I don't see any reason why [a vaccine] should be delayed further." But none of the data from the current Phase 3 coronavirus vaccine clinical trials have yet been reported.

In mid-September Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla said on the CBS' Face the Nation that "we have a good chance that we will know if the product works by the end of October." Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel told CNBC that his company is likely to have enough late-stage testing data to know whether its vaccine works or not in November. Johnson & Johnson's chief scientist, Paul Stoffels, told Business Insider, "We hope to see an endpoint around the end of year or early next year." In the hope that their vaccines will prove to be safe and effective, the federal government has already signed contracts worth billions of dollars with Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson to manufacture tens of millions of doses before the companies and regulators know if their vaccines will work.

In response to Bob Woodward's revelation that he deliberately downplayed the seriousness of COVID-19, Trump insisted that he did so because "The fact is I'm a cheerleader for this country….We want to show confidence. We want to show strength." But his pre-election cheerleading about COVID-19 vaccines seems to be undermining, not strengthening, Americans' confidence in them.

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  1. Lack of trust due to partisan politics says more about the person who doesn’t want the vaccine than it says about the spray-tanned loudmouth.

    1. The question of vaccine safety has been over ridden by government dictates. The lever government uses is children and gov refusal to allow them in schools without been vaccinated the force. Choice is not allowed as harm can be done one’s neighbor unconsciously. How to keep one self isolated?

      1. The question of all product, but medical more than any other, safety has been overridden by government dictates. We should be relying more on a panoply of interested and disinterested sources for evaluation of products. And requiring vaccination is just one more little facet of schooling that pales in the overall picture of mandatory funding and attendance.

        1. Homeschool then. You have the freedom of choice to avoid vaccinations. Its just that most people are too damn lazy to put in the effort.

          1. Its just that most people are too damn lazy to put in the effort…or they’re so loaded down with the taxation it takes for all the government “programs” that they can’t afford to live, without both parents in the workforce.

            1. I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I’m working online! My work didn’t exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new…WDs after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn’t be happier.

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          2. Exactly. Anti-vaxxers need to seek out an elderly person who suffers from post-polio syndrome (or someone who lost a sibling to the disease) and ask them about them about how they were scared to go swimming in the summers when they were young. They need to write an apology to the pregnant mom whose child is born deaf and blind from pre-natal exposure to rubella.

      2. If you don’t want your children to get vaccines then you are free to home school them and not get them vaccinated. Science is a thing and the efficacy of vaccines is greatly lowered if only 20% of the crowd is getting them because they’re being a bunch of pussies.

    2. “When Democrats reflexively deny that 2+2=4 because Trump said it, it’s Trump’s fault.”

        1. “Boogaloo Bois!”

        2. Is this satire? This has to be satire.
          “professors at leading American universities took to social media in order to explain that Western mathematical constructs “reek of white supremacy” and “patriarchy.””

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  2. many are more leery of Dr. Fauci claims of we will have to have a vaccine.

    there are two side here on political group wants an early vaccine for political purposes and the other group wants to delay vaccines for political purposes and everyone sees that and are leery of either choice. how about make a vaccine but let us decide if we want it just like the yearly flue vaccine which is almost alway wrong. History is not on the side of vaccines

    1. Yearly flue vaccine? What’s wrong with your chimney?

      1. My Chimneys are all crooked and stuffed up

        1. I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I’m working online! My work didn’t exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new…QAs after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn’t be happier.

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      2. You know what he meant. Get a grippe.

        1. It snot as simple as that.

        2. “Get a grippe” Love it.

          That being said, he is wrong. The announced flu (or flue) vaccines efficacy rates are not real efficacy rates. That would require waiting till after the flu season was over. It is pretty screwy statistics. But you can look back at the years when the vaccine has good or poor efficacy. With this analysis, good years show the vaccine reduces your chances of getting it by 75% and poor efficacy years reduces the probability by a respectable 50%.

    2. Third group. Those of us under 65 and not obese who aren’t worried in the first place. Namely those who understand statistics.

      1. And I suppose you never have contact with anyone who is over 65, or is obese, or comes into contact with people who are over 65 or are obese?

        Because people who understand viral contagion and care about people beyond ourselves understand that personal risk has little to do with the risk of ourselves becoming contagious to others.

        Actually, I would be all for just getting back to usual, with a few precautions. The thing that is most damaging to America right now in regards to covid is the international travel ban on Americans. It’s fucking embarrassing and costly. If you don’t care about that, then you are probably a bumpkin. Nothing wrong with that, either. But your point of view is very narrow.

        1. We get it chicken little. You found out for the first time in your life diseases exist. You can choose to panic. But stop pretending you’re a libertarian asking healthy people to be locked down

          Current IFR for covid is still lower than the annualized death rate for those over 70 shit for brains. Sorry you are too dumb to know the average death rate over 70 is 13%.

          I’m sure you took so many precautions every other time you visited the elderly. Always sanitizing, getting checked for diseases, etc.

          Youre free to remain ignorant and scared. Leave the rest of us out of your fears.

          1. You are the psychopathic cunts trying to act like only the elderly are at risk (Trump said the opposite himself, on tape, when he was admitting to lying to you about this). So now they are no more at risk than they were in normal times?

            Just masturbate to Trump in golf clothes and leave the science to normal people.

            1. “Science”

              Pretty sure that the anti-vaxxers are all on the left.

              1. The ultra-orthodox Jews are very Republican.

            2. Jesus, just when we get good news about Hihn kicking the bucket the lefty scumbag Tony turns out to be still alive.
              Fuck off and die, lefty shit.

            3. Tony throws a hissy tantrum because he knows ‘tard nation figured out the corona over-reaction was a political power-grab scam months before it dawned on Tony, yet Tony goes into hysterics trying to hold on to his murderous dogmatic Politico-Scientism and hateful lockdown policies in the face of hard scientific data.

            4. No one here is getting their information from Trump. Stop arguing with caricatures in your head.

        2. While travel bands are destructive, the designation of some as non-essential and denial of opportunity to work is devastating, economically and psychologically.

        3. “And I suppose you never have contact with anyone who is over 65, or is obese, or comes into contact with people who are over 65 or are obese?”

          Fatties and old people can stay home if they’re scared.

        4. Yes some people might get sick, so fucking what.

        5. “And I suppose you never have contact with anyone who is over 65, or is obese, or comes into contact with people who are over 65 or are obese?”

          And I supposed YOU think that’s my concern? Fuck off and die, lefty shit.

        6. I have relative(s) who have been compromised for years. All family members take precautions around them. What we cant do is protect the 0.001% of population that are never satisfied

  3. ORANGEMANBAD, the new anti-vaxxers. lulz

    1. Orange Man bad?!? He BAD, all right! He SOOO BAD, He be GOOD! He be GREAT! He Make America Great Again!

      We KNOW He can Make America Great Again, because, as a bad-ass businessman, He Made Himself and His Family Great Again! He Pussy Grabber in Chief!

      See The Atlantic article by using the below search-string in quotes:
      “The Many Scandals of Donald Trump: A Cheat Sheet” or this one…

      https://reason.com/2019/09/02/republicans-choose-trumpism-over-property-rights-and-the-rule-of-law/

      He pussy-grab His creditors in 7 bankruptcies, His illegal sub-human workers ripped off of pay on His building projects, and His “students” in His fake Get-Rich-like-Me realty schools, and so on. So, He has a GREAT record of ripping others off! So SURELY He can rip off other nations, other ethnic groups, etc., in trade wars and border wars, for the benefit of ALL of us!!!

      All Hail to THE Pussy Grabber in Chief!!!

      Most of all, HAIL the Chief, for having revoked karma! What comes around, will no longer go around!!! The Donald has figured out that all of the un-Americans are SOOO stupid, that we can pussy-grab them all day, every day, and they will NEVER think of pussy-grabbing us right back!

      Orange Man Bad-Ass Pussy-Grabber all right!

      We CAN grab all the pussy, all the time, and NONE will be smart enough to EVER grab our pussies right back!

      These voters simply cannot or will not recognize the central illusion of politics… You can pussy-grab all of the people some of the time, and you can pussy-grab some of the people all of the time, but you cannot pussy-grab all of the people all of the time! Sooner or later, karma catches up, and the others will pussy-grab you right back!

      1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

      2. A careful review of US history will disabuse any thought the USA has ever been “great”, except in the ability to carry on war with someone, somewhere. Genocide our national sport.

        1. It’s hardly a contrarian position when it’s trumpeted by the DNC and the NYT.

        2. “A careful review of US history will disabuse any thought the USA has ever been “great””

          If one is an imbecile.

        3. That really is the imbecilic view of ignorant privileged Americans. You’re so far removed from poverty, oppression and actual suffering that this is what you actually believe.

        4. Go away, comrade.

        5. We’re really not that great at Genocide, compared to other, more advanced empires.

          Probably not even in the top 10.

        6. The US defeated imperial fascism and international communism. The US is why there is any freedom in the world.

          You’re welcome.

      3. The only thing better than hysterical pants shitting TDS, is *plenty* of it!

        Keep is coming, squirly!

  4. It’ll be funny to watch Democrats running around like mullahs in Pakistan, warning that vaccination will kill you.

    1. That’s not what they’re doing at all.
      “We should get a safe and effective vaccine to as many people as we can as soo as possible. However, we shouldn’t sacrifice safety to make it available faster. If it’s ready and safe before the election that’s great.”
      Trump is the one pushing for it to be ready befor the election just do he can claim some kind of credit for it.

      1. “That’s not what they’re doing at all.”
        I see you’re not familiar with Cuomo or Newsom, lefty shit.

        “Trump is the one pushing for it to be ready befor the election just do he can claim some kind of credit for it.”
        Regardless of his motives, YOU are trying to delay it, for reasons we can assume of lefty shits.
        Now tell us who has the high ground here.

        1. “I see you’re not familiar wih Cuomo or Newsom, lefty shit.”
          What are Cuomo and Newsom doing to delay the vaccine?

          “Regardless of his motives, YOU are trying to delay it”
          So his motives don’t matter? If he rushes the vaccine and it ends up making people sick or killing them I guess his motives don’t matter to the people he hurts. Although rushing it to save lives looks better than for, ya know, political gain.

          And what do you mean by “YOU?” Like I’m personally delaying the vaccine? I’d ask you to explain that, but I’ll just get something like ” Die you lefty scum!”

          I’m pretty sure Sevo’s a liberal trying to make Trump supporters look bad. I know it may seem better if I don’t point this out, but lying and deception are wrong no matter who’s doing it.

          1. Well, maybe we can just test it on Mormons first.

            Asshole.

          2. Haha. OBL and the rev and you and tony and Jeff are hellbent on creating trump voters, so I guess you know a parody when you see one.

            Asshole.

        2. All Cuomo said was he reserved the right to have his own people review the results of vaccine trials. Please educate yourself.

  5. There has never, I repeat NEVER, been a vaccine for a coronavirus. The average time to safely develop a vaccine is ten years or more. These facts alone should undermine anyone’s trust in a COVID vaccine.

    1. only way to be more this^^ is more allcaps.

      1. That’s all you got?

        1. are you fighting with me because I agreed with you or because you look for fights with everyone?

          1. Apologies. Thought you were disparaging my capitalization of “never.” Hard to tell here sometimes who is supporting and who’s not.

            1. I write in admittedly not the most direct way … “shout it from the mountaintop” is what I meant

              1. I appreciate your brevity, dill. Some people misread it.

    2. No reason to give up now Ted

    3. I’ve followed vaccine trials in the past and learned the hard way ($) that they can look awesome up until Phase 3 results are released. They can look awesome in Phase 1 (very safe and produing antibodies), then in Phase 2, producing lots of antibodies and immune response. Then Phase 3 comes where they compare it to placebo and bam, it’s a complete dud, no better than placebo. I predict this happening with just about every coronavirus vaccine currently in trials. One might pass Phase 3, but I’ll bet it won’t be that awesome.

    4. 4/20/09 – CDC began working to develop a candidate vaccine virus.
      7/22/19 – Clinical trials testing the 2009 H1N1 flu vaccine began.
      9/15/19 – The FDA announced its approval of four 2009 H1N1 influenza vaccines
      10/5/19 – First doses of H1N1 vaccine were given in the U.S.

      Not everything takes 10 years.

      1. H1N1 virus was a massive scam, and the vaccine hurt a lot of people.

        See: “Swine Flu Cases Overestimated?” – CBS News
        And the author’s personal website:
        “The swine flu epidemic that was not as CDC advertised (PODCAST)”
        “Hundreds Claim Swine Flu Vaccine Injury From 2009 Push”

        You want to take a vaccine that takes a fraction of the time to create and test than the average vaccine? Be my guest. I’m not getting anywhere near it.

        1. H1n1 was not a scam, ffs. i had the joy of catching that crap just after my high risk parents and children got the vaccination, i and my wife were low risk and didnt rate the first round.

          It was brutal. Lying on the couch, ready to die, brutal.

          We were lucky that influenzas are relatively easy to develop vaccines for, if we hadnt had the vac, death rates would have been high

        2. I caught H1N1 too and I didn’t go to the doctor or report it and I imagine a lot of other 20 something’s didn’t either. It was pretty bad. Probably the worst “flu” I’ve ever had.
          I remember being skeptical of the vaccine, but all my friends in the healthcare field told me I was wrong… Because I was.

      2. This is true, but only because production of flu vaccine’s been routinized. They’re all basically the same, so producing one for a given year’s anticipated epidemic strain(s), by similar methods to what they’ve been using, gives predictable results. The variability in effect is just from missing the mark in the antigens prevalent that season.

        Coronavirus vaccine production is far from routine, and the ones in development are taking approaches with degrees of novelty ranging from significant to extreme. They’re all pretty speculative, and will be ground-breaking to the extent any succeed — and don’t rule out the possibility of discovering severe adverse effects in a few cases once it’s widely administered.

        1. Logically it’s worthbthe risk if fewer lives are lost with a rushed vaccine than without it. But that’s not how the law works, sans protection from Congress. You get the honor of suing for damages even if those damages were less likely than the disease you would have gotten otherwise (including your chances of getting it in the first place.)

          There are yachts yet unborn awaiting lawyers over this and other aspects of this disease.

    5. With reinfections happening after only a few months it makes me think any vaccine will be useless. Instead of the annual flu whack-a-mole style vaccines it will be what; semi-annual, 120 day, 90 day roll of the vaccine strain guessing dice?

      Hopefully some of the treatments described in a recent study may pan out.

      1. Fortunately, every proven reinfection has been weak or even asymptomatic. It doesn’t have to give full immunity, as partial immunity will still prevent deaths.

    6. There has never, I repeat NEVER, been a vaccine for a coronavirus.

      https://www.drugs.com/vet/bovilis-coronavirus.html

      1. LOL, ‘efficacy varies’ and that’s in veterinary science. Do they give placebo to animals?

        1. For testing, yes, they do.

          1. And I’m sure the interviews on how they’re feeling are very interesting, too, when compared to the control group.

            1. Viruses aren’t detected via questionnaire.

        2. ‘efficacy varies’ and that’s in veterinary science

          What are you trying to say? Maybe start with the assumptions and work up.

        3. I’ve got to come back to this. It’s blowing my mind.

          Beef is a trillion dollar industry. And you seem to think there’s two hillbilly’s cooking up potions to keep the cows healthy. Amazin’

          1. The point was rather that cows were not the subject of the coronavirus vaccines for humans. Where exactly did I mention two hillbillies cooking up potions? That would appear to be your own projection.

            I assume that noting that there are vaccines for animals is meant to indicate that there are human vaccines for coronavirus, which strains? Or did you want to belabor a tangential pet point that has no bearing on human coronavirus vaccination?

            1. I assume that noting that there are vaccines for animals is meant to indicate that there are human vaccines for coronavirus, which strains?

              1) Humans are animals

              2) Your assumption is retarded.

            2. two hillbillies cooking up potions

              Best. Band. Name. Ever.

    7. Agreed.

      There still isn’t a vaccine for SARS, for example.

    8. Sorry, but that’s not true. There are several corona virus vaccines in animals. There are also several RNA vaccine, the technology used for some of the COVID vaccines.

      This vaccine is likely going to be no more risky than other common vaccines.

    9. Never been a human vaccine. There are plenty of veterinarian vaccines for coronavirus.

    10. No there’s some good ol’ fashion Chinese/Russian Trolling

  6. “Trump’s Vaccine Cheerleading Is Undermining Public Trust in the Vaccines”

    Yeah it’s definitely not the party full of assholes who fabricated a faulty study to dunk on Trump for recommending Hydroxychloroquine!

    1. They pissed all over the drug solely because Trump thought it was cool, which created a chilling-effect on research. All for some cheap political points.
      Fuck them. They’re the enemies of humanity.

      1. They straight up killed people.

    2. “They straight up killed people?”
      What on earth are you talking about? Trump’s not a healthcare expert so why should he be recommending treatments just because he thinks of them? Theres no evidence hydroxychloroquine helps with Covid? The study that said it caused deaths was abS, but why is the president touting unproven treatments? Why does he think out loud so some people could get the idea he thinks injecting disinfectants could workm

      1. Yeah, you sure can’t trust the mounds of evidence for hydroxychloroquine’s efficacy from “rednecks” like those wacky Belgians; after all, every mindless TDS-afflicted genocidal goose-stepper like MurderEveryoneToTheRightOfStalin here just knows those Euro-trash are yuuuge Trump supporters!

        1. Or those hicks at Yale… https://medicine.yale.edu/news-article/26218/
          I guess what KAR is saying is that Trump shouldn’t mention anything medicine related. That way no one gets any wrong ideas (whether positive or negative).
          Realistically, no one was prescribed HCQ because of Trump’s endorsement. The harm done was that mentioning it made it political.

  7. Did vaccine manufacturers also pledge to be liable for the safety of these vaccines?

    1. Why should they do more than what the law requires?

    2. I believe the Federal government is assuming the liability.

    3. They did the very opposite.

      Bailey’s article is garbage. The knee-jerk contrarianism of the OrangeManBad leftards is only one of the reasons people don’t trust vaccines, as ought to be pretty obvious if you have a look at some of the other articles on the site I linked there; in fact, its proprietor is a flaky “alt-right” kind of guy, apparently convinced vaccination is a globalist plot to murder us all. Paranoid or not, (and I’m not so sure paranoia would be unwarranted, considering how murderously hateful pretty much everyone on the left has been demonstrated to be against anyone to the right of Stalin), the dude’s got a point: the vaccine makers’ disavowal of all liability means you’re on your own legally if the vaccine does something horrible to you, whether the maker deliberately designed it to do that or not.

      I’m certainly not going to trust my health to vaccines from companies run by “progressives” pandering to murderous totalitarian Climate Cultists who’ve openly stated on numerous occasions their desire to reduce Earth’s population to no more than 100 million people (which would be pretty tough luck for the other 7 billion of us, needless to say; but that’s a sacrifice they’re more than willing to make).

      1. Ehrlich would be telling us to stop vaccinating people, because disease is pretty efficient at reducing the number of alive people.

        You don’t have to murder a few billion people. Just do away with vaccination and watch nature do it for you.

        1. Yes, well, doing away with vaccines would indeed kill a great many of us who don’t support population control. The only problem with that approach (in the eyes of a genocidal population control advocate such as Ehrlich) is that nature’s not known for being very selective about who it kills; it couldn’t be counted on to exterminate only his opposition and leave only his supporters alive. You want to make sure everyone opposing you is exterminated, you have to do it by design.

          Don’t get me wrong: vaccines are a good thing, and much of the reason why we no longer have to live with the expectation that some 40% of our offspring won’t survive to adulthood. I’m just saying, people have lots of good reasons not to trust vaccines that are…
          A) …made by population control advocates and/or political enemies who are openly genocidal toward them.
          B) …made by people who’ve had to cut a lot of corners and have just been legally immunized (ha ha) from any liability if anything unfortunate should happen to anyone who takes those inadequately tested vaccines.
          C) …made by both of the above.

      2. Go ahead and skip it then. I hope a lot of antiscience folks like you and others catch it and die to pave way for some more science oriented voters to vote in people of merit rather than huckster reality TV stars.

  8. It’s hard to believe that Donald Trump, who spent his whole life cheating on his wives and defrauding contractors, vendors, investors, creditors, and customers would stoop to lying about a vaccine just to get re-elected.

    1. Did that sound intelligent in your head?

      1. You have no refutation, lol.

        1. Refute an opinion? How dumb are you. There were no facts dummy. Conjecture was his post.

          Youre fucking dumb.

          1. Hahahaha

    2. Lying about a vaccine? What the hell are you on about?

    3. The vaccine is being developed by private companies and tested by three FDA. Are you alleging a massive conspiracy? Because that’s what it would take.

    4. “It’s hard to believe that Donald Trump, who spent his whole life cheating on his wives and defrauding contractors, vendors, investors, creditors, and customers would stoop to lying about a vaccine just to get re-elected.”

      Harder to believe that asshole victims of TDS this advanced are still capable of typing.
      Fuck off and die, asshole TDS victim.

      1. Here’s a tip Sevo: try explaining WHY you disagree with their argument. Just quoting it and saying “You have TDS! Fuck off and die!” only makes you look like an immature, uneducated troll. I’m sure you have so much more to contribute to the discussion, so give it the old college try!

        If I was a Trump supporter I would hate people like Sevo for reinforcing the stereotype that they’re bigoted, immature, uneducated trolls. As I’m someone with common sense I love Sevo because he supports my hypothesis that conservatives are inbred bigots who can’t even put a coherent though together. Whenever he does post something that’s not trolling he usually just repeats something someone else posted that’s not very insightful or complex. My money is on Sevo being a 12 year old who hates his liberal parents.

        1. Here’s a tip for the lefty shit:
          Those aren’t “arguments”; they are collections of lies and half-truths, but lefty shits like you assume they have some merit.
          You are more than enough stupid in that way and many others to make that mistake,
          Fuck off and die.

          1. “Cheating on his wives”
            Pretty well documented. He paid off Stormy Daniels.
            “Defrauding contrators, investors, creditors, customers”
            He has a long list of people he didn’t pay. The people who built his Taj mahal Casino in AC. Trump University defrauded it customers. He owes money to banks in Europe, China, and I’m sure here too. Him and his family operated a multi level marketing firm that targeted the middle class.
            It’s rather quite easy to google all of his shady business dealings(that we know about). Every president released their tax records. Why won’t he?

            Sorry the facts conflict your image as Trump as a virtuous crusader for marginalized white men. In reality he despises you and will say anything to get your vote, and most importantly, your money.

            1. Must be a real mystery to you why no one listens to your mindless repetitions of irrelevant leftard narratives, MurderEveryoneToTheRightOfStalin.

        2. Here’s a tip for the TDS-afflicted leftard lunatic: if you want anyone to listen to a word you say, try not using a death threat as your name.

          1. lol I’m sure your insightful and meritorious comments will echo down the halls of time.

  9. No. The fact that democrats are fucking insane is undermining it. TDS is real.

    1. Pro-Trump TDS is VERY real, and JesseSPAZ is here to demonstrate and illustrate that!

      1. Youre only allowed to salivate when shit is mentioned. It wasn’t. So move on sweetie.

        1. It must be exhausting to be a super fan of a lying, cheating coward whose lies and cheats have been well documented over 30 some years.

          1. Wow. You’ve gotten more pathetic than usual. You’re fake business close down?

          2. It must be exhausting to be a super fan of a lying, cheating coward whose lies and cheats have been well documented over 30 some years

            See! You shouldn’t have wasted your vote for Hillary.

          3. You have fans?

          4. But enough about Biden.

            1. And Hussein.

          5. “It must be exhausting to be a super fan of a lying, cheating coward whose lies and cheats have been well documented over 30 some years.”

            It must be painful to be an asshole TDS victim with the disease this advanced.
            Please, make the world a better place: Fuck off and die.

            1. It must be exhausting to be such a hateful Troll in defense of a lying con artist who despises you.

              No you have to be a liberal parody account! Or you’re a 12 year old. Or a 45 year old incel.
              There’s only so many stupid stereotypes that would support Trump blindly with such lack of self awareness.

              1. It must be exhausting to be such a hateful troll trying to convince us Trump voters to stop supporting him when your entire “argument” is “It’s hateful not to hate Trump and his voters and want to murder them as much as I do!”

      2. Fuck off, Sqrlsy

    2. TDS is just a rationalization by Trump supporters to convince themselves they haven’t been duped by a bumbling con artist. They don’t have to think critically or come up with an argument when they can just say “It’s TDS! Everyone who disagrees with me has TDS.” It’s actually pretty funny.

      Obama Derangement Syndrome was real at least. Trump had it. It manifested itself as people questioning his birth certificate and religion.

      1. “…TDS is just a rationalization by Trump supporters to convince themselves they haven’t been duped by a bumbling con artist…”

        Asshole victims of TDS like this lefty shit make up all sorts of justifications for their affliction. They are full if shit, along with having TDS.

        1. Sorry thinking critically and not blindly believing every lie from a bumbling con artist fits yo definition of TDS.
          WOW over half the country has TDS. That’s amazing!

      2. Which birth certificate? Because he produced two, neither of which has been proven to be authentic.
        And why, if he really converted to Christianity, was he not despised by his former muslim co-religionists, who demand death for those who do so?

      3. Sorry thinking critically and not blindly believing every lie from Hussein the bumbling self-worshiping racist Kenyan con-artist and all his mindless rectum-suckers (like you) counts as “derangement” in your eyes, MurderEveryoneToTheRightOfStalin.

      4. Obama was the original “birther.”

  10. dude blaming mistrust of government on T is willfully forgetting the last 30 years of DC

    1. 30 years heck I think mistrust in government was written into a document over two hundred years ago but no one pays any attention to that anymore since it was written by a bunch of old white guys.

      1. lol of course you’re correct … “Read my lips” was my thrown-in-the-pool moment

        1. It was a different moment for each generation. Iraqi WMDs was my moment in the end, though it took a few years to realize it. Only in retrospect did I realize just how flimsy the evidence was.

          1. Saddam admitted that he did everything he could to convince the world that he had a stockpile of WMD’s. He admitted this to his handler, after he was caught.
            It’s hard to penetrate the truth behind such an effort.
            It was understandable that all the world’s intelligence communities believed it.
            It was only in the 20/20 view of hindsight that the evidence was “flimsy”.

  11. We’ve become such a hysteric, contrarian society that Trump (who will have absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine) can actually dissuade people from getting vaccinated because he supports it.

    It’s also funny that there are so many more anti-vaxxers everyday, that we could honestly see the artificial continuation of lockdowns and government restrictions because enough people can’t get over themselves and actually get vaccinated.

    2020 is the year of stupid.

    1. “2020 is the year of stupid”

      Sounds like your year has finally arrived!

      “people can’t get over themselves and actually get vaccinated”

      Given that vaccines take more than 10 years to be safely developed, this is not a matter of “getting over oneself.”

      I own my body and I decide the risks I’m going to take by putting something into it. You don’t own my body. I’m not your slave. So kindly fuck off.

      1. Nah, I don’t think I’ll kindly fuck off, but thanks for asking.

        I’m glad that you are free to do what you want with your body. And I’m glad you are free to do what you want with your mind. And it appears you have allowed your mind to believe conspiracy theories and anti-scientific nonsense about vaccines. Hey, that’s your right.

        And I have no desire for you to be forced to take a vaccine. That should be your decision and your decision alone. Government should not be able to force that on you.

        That said, I also have the right to call you out on the stupidity of your decision and explain to you how your hyperbolic mindset will result in delayed herd immunity and thus lead to further unnecessary restrictions being put in place on the population.

        Cheers!

        1. “Nah, I don’t think I’ll kindly fuck off, but thanks for asking…”

          How about dying in that case; you could make the world a better place?

          1. Wow, it really pains you to hear things that you don’t like to hear. Sorry.

      2. You have no idea what it takes to develop a vaccine safely.

        1. Actually I do. But thanks for making an incorrect assertion.

          1. I’m sure you’re full of shit, but thanks for lying.

            1. I’m not, you just want me to be because I say things that you don’t like to hear. I know, differing opinions are painful, but you’ll be okay.

          2. It’s not an assertion, it’s a fact: you have demonstrated your ignorance.

            1. Whatever you need to tell yourself. While you’re over here playing doctor, I’ll go ahead and get my information from those who are medically trained.

    2. It’s also funny that there are so many more anti-vaxxers everyday, that we could honestly see the artificial continuation of lockdowns and government restrictions because enough people can’t get over themselves and actually get vaccinated.

      Here’s the thing, though–this sperging about the need for a vaccine only started up after the lockdowns were implemented and that dipshit Fauci said that they shouldn’t be removed until we had “zero deaths.” This went from “flattening the curve” to “we’re not going to let things get back to normal until Professor Snape gives us the formula for a magic potion that will make it go away forever.”

      The reality is that rushing a vaccine can have pretty serious consequences. The swine flu vaccine in the mid-70s is one example. If one gets developed, great–but I’m going to let other people be the guinea pigs before walking into the pharmacist for my anti-Chinese Lung AIDS shot.

      1. Actually no. The idea of a vaccine was always a target goal because we literally have no other way to stop the spread of a virus. So needing a vaccine was always foremost. Not sure why you are now pretending otherwise.

        And you’re right, I too believe that medicine has not evolved and gotten better in the last 50 years. I’m sure that’s an appropriate comparison.

        But good luck with your anti-vaxxer position.

        1. “…But good luck with your anti-vaxxer position.”

          Bad luck with your stawman bullshit.

          1. What’s the strawman position?

        2. But good luck with your anti-vaxxer position.

          Learn to read: “If one gets developed, great–but I’m going to let other people be the guinea pigs before walking into the pharmacist for my anti-Chinese Lung AIDS shot.”

          Waiting to see the side effects of a rushed-out vaccine before getting one myself isn’t being an anti-vaxxer, you retard. For the record, the last vaccines I got were boosters for stuff like hepatitis back in 2017, which I suspect is a lot more recent than anything you’ve gotten other than the mostly pointless flu shot.

          1. Oh, so you’re not full anti-vaxxer, you’re just kind of anti-vaxxer. Got it.

            1. Yeah! Like if someone who’s only racist occasionally, they’re just kind of an anti-racist.

        3. Well, it’s always nice to have safe vaccines. But we can resume mostly normal life without one; only particularly susceptible individuals need to take precautions.

          1. I would prefer to resume fully normal life. Mostly normal life still sees huge debt being racked up and small businesses getting strangled.

      2. The 1976 Swine Flu Vaccine probably increased the incidence of GBS significantly, but calling that “pretty serious consequences” is an exaggeration because it’s pretty rare to begin with.

  12. BREAKING NEWS: FDA IS NOW THE HERO

  13. Easier to talk about this than admit that, for people not already half-dead, the disease is no worse than the flu.

  14. We joke that if Trump cured cancer the TDS infected mob would be shrieking for justice for cancer cells.

    And then this happens–

    President Donald Trump has suggested several times that a vaccine for COVID-19 could become available before Election Day. Polls suggest that the more the president touts the hurried arrival of a COVID-19 vaccine, the more distrustful Americans become of the vaccine approval process and the less likely they are to get inoculated once one becomes available.

    We need to get Trump to advocate breathing.

    1. Get Trump to advocate voting for Biden, and watch their heads explode.

      1. +1000

      2. Haha.

        Joe’s the best. Tremendous. Anyone who’s in favor of keeping America great should vote for him. Multiple times, if possible.

    2. Yeah, a politician trying to guarantee a release date for an as yet untested vaccine should strike everyone as dubious. Jesus fucking christ.

      1. So you dont know what the word could means. Sounds right.

    3. Sorry you cons assume that everyone’s actions and thoughts must revolve around Trump but that’s not the case. A vaccine being rushed through development because of a global pandemic is going to make people wary no matter who’s in charge. Now Trump’s not helping by so blatently trying to get good news about it right before the election, but the world doesn’t revolve around him. Conservatives, liberals, moderates, apolitical people can be skeptical of a vaccine that’s rushed and have it nothing to do with politics.
      You Trump lovers think everyone’s decisions are somehow tailored to hurt Trump. Is it because you’ll are obsessed with him? No it’s because you’re obsessed with people who don’t like him and will do anything if you think it pisses them off.
      “You were critical of Trump? You must have TDS!”
      “But you didn’t even listen to what I’m critical of or why?”
      “TDS! TDS! Trump could save your life and you’d hate him because TDS!”
      Trump can do no wrong in your people’s eyes, and people criticizing him can do no right and must be biased against him.
      It’s sad and scary because Trump will say the most ridiculous patently false tripe and you’ll either take it as gospel or it must be people with TDS lying.

      1. “Sorry you cons assume that everyone’s actions and thoughts must revolve around Trump but that’s not the case…”

        As a lefty shit, it is not surprising at all that you didn’t bother to read the article; reading is HARD, right?
        Here, let me help you with the headline:
        “Trump’s Vaccine Cheerleading Is Undermining Public Trust in the Vaccines”
        Is Baily a con? Or are you just one more fucking lefty ignoramus?

        1. I did read the article. Your comment makes no sense. The comment I responded to quoted the article saying Americans distrust the vaccine the more they hear Trump touting it. The commenter sarcastically says Trump should advocate breathing. Implying people with TDS would stop breathing. I believe his main point was if Trump is touting something people will automaticallybe skeptical of it because “TDS.”
          My comment was pointing out people are skeptical of the vaccine because it’s being rushed. No matter what your politics are or who’s behind it it’s not crazy to be skeptical of a rushed vaccine. If you throw in Trump blatantly trying to rush it for political gain it’s even more reason to be skeptical.
          My point was you Trump lovers assume people who critize Trump only do it because they have TDS. That is just deflecting legit criticism so you don’t have to address it. It’s what dictators do.
          Goddamn I shouldn’t of just explained that to a hateful Troll like you, but whatever. Maybe someone with Trump’s Dick in their throats will read my comment and realize “hey these people criticizing Trump aren’t doing it just BECAUSE they hate Trump. They actually have legitamete reasons…”

          1. You know, MurderEveryoneToTheRightOfStalin, I can’t help wondering whether you aren’t actually a Trump operative working undercover to sabotage the Democrats, seeing as watching you mindlessly spewing your genocidal hatred against Trump and his voters is only likely to convince anyone who’s having trouble deciding which way to vote in the upcoming election that all of Trump’s “critics” are murderous and mindlessly hateful trolls with their mouths glued to the flaming far left’s collective rectum, and none of you have any legitimate criticisms of anyone or anything, let alone of Trump.

            1. This endless accusations of being a troll for the opposite side gets tiring.

  15. Easier to talk about this than Joe Biden insisting he knew nothing of Hunter’s super shady activities.

    Because turning a blind eye is totes respectable.

    1. I was kind of thinking the whole new FBI/DOJ document release that basically shows there was absolutely no basis to investigate Flynn but that Obama and Co. demanded that it be done anyway. To the point that agents were obtaining liability insurance because it was so sketchy.

      But just another blind eye to government abuse as long as the abuse is directed at or against the bad orange man.

      1. The Vice President who couldn’t be bothered to make sure his offspring were not monetizing his office.

        https://www.battleswarmblog.com/?p=45788

        If only Joe knew!

        1. How could Joe know though? It’s not like he admitted talking to Hunter about it or flying with Hunter to countries subject of Hunter’s dealings.

        2. Trump’s children work in the White House.

          1. ^^^ when your brain is so wrecked by politics that you think working in the White House is shadier than a no show job at a post Soviet energy company.

            1. Do you seriously want to debate which is more nepotistic and corrupt in his private business dealings?

              Trump is paid by Qatar for an office in San Francisco that nobody occupies. Trump took Qatar’s side when they were accused of supporting terrorism. And that’s just something I read today.

              I feel gross with you morons desperately trying to propagate the latest “But her emails!” crap. Let the people who are paid for this nonsense do it.

              1. “But her emails!”

                LMAO. The cringe 2016 memes are stuck in your tiny brain forever.

              2. “Do you seriously want to debate which is more nepotistic and corrupt in his private business dealings?”

                Yes let’s!

                “Trump is paid by Qatar for an office in San Francisco that nobody occupies. Trump took Qatar’s side when they were accused of supporting terrorism. And that’s just something I read today”

                Biden bought his son a no show no work position with govt favors and your money, then lied about it and caused rhe US to waste millions on a sham impeachment as a result.

                1. Trump has diverted millions of dollars of business to his private businesses while acting in his official capacity.

                2. The “sham impeachment trial” was because Trump tried to make aid to Ukraine contingent on investigating a political rival. If it was such a sham then why didn’t the senate have witnesses? Why did Mormon POS Romney vote to convict? Something is seriosly wrong with the GOP when a goddamn Mormon has the moral high ground.
                  The GOP and Trump only made it about Hunter Biden to distract and justify Trump’s blatant corruption.
                  Trump and his followers complaining about nepotism with no irony must be some kind of joke. What do Donald’s kids do for a living? What are Jared and Ivanka’s qualifications to serve in the white house? Hunter Biden at least served in the military. However that would make him a “sucker” and “loser” in Trump and his freeloading families eyes.
                  The hypocrisy of conservatives is so rich. Melania spent more in 3 months on travel than Michelle did in a year because she didn’t want to stay in DC with her pussy grabbing, cheating husband.

                  1. The “sham impeachment trial” was because Trump tried to make aid to Ukraine contingent on investigating a political rival.

                    Well, after watching the DNC bum-rush him to the nomination following Bernie’s thorough ass-kicking of him in Nevada, I can see why you’d think that.

              3. No, we don’t want to seriously debate that. Biden is clearly far more corrupt. That’s not debatable.

                1. You are fucking delusional.

                  1. Yes, you are, Tony.

                2. If it’s not debatable you should have no trouble explaining why?

                  1. “If it’s not debatable you should have no trouble explaining why?”

                    Hunter
                    Biden.
                    See how easy that is?

                    1. Yes that’s his name Sevo. Good job!

              4. “Do you seriously want to debate which is more nepotistic and corrupt in his private business dealings?”

                Joe never had ‘business dealings’, you pathetic piece of shit. He’s been slopping at the public trough from day one.

                1. What’s Trump doing now thn? Using taxpayer money topay for his golf trips? Melania to fly back and forth from DC and NY because she hates him and only married him for money. What are Jared and Ivanka doing at the “public trough” when they’re not qualified and there were concerns about security clearances.
                  You can repeat the far right talking points attached to vulgar insults all you want Sevo, but it doesn’t make you any less of a far right loser.

                  1. Trump is using taxpayer money no more than any other president- that’s how they’re required to travel.
                    He donates his salary and, if Ivanka and Jared are getting paid, it is because the law requires them to be.
                    What made Valerie Jarret “qualified”, any more than any of the other close confidants other presidents have had with them?
                    Your TDS is showing.

          2. You do realize this isn’t a retort, right?

      2. “I was kind of thinking…”

        From your posts so far, that seems extremely unlikely.

    2. Bah sheep. The Republican asshole investigating this couldn’t even pin anything on him. You’re fresh out of FBI directors to go in front of a camera and opine. Gonna have to win this one on Trump’s actual merits. Too bad.

      1. Nepotism and influence peddling is what the Democratic Party was built on, and Tony would rather die than deny loyal party men their spoils.

        1. Trump’s children work in the White House.

          1. Yeah, they’re sacrificing high paying private sector job in order to deal with the sh.t Obama and Biden left behind.

      2. It’s amazing how much government abuse you will tolerate as long as it fits your desired end. It’s almost like you have no principles.

  16. “But his pre-election cheerleading about COVID-19 vaccines seems to be undermining, not strengthening, Americans’ confidence in them”

    Bailey, this may be the stupidest thing you’ve ever written.

  17. By and large, nobody voting for Trump cares about a vaccine developed for a virus with a 99% survival rate.

    The only people losing confidence in the efficacy of a first generation vaccine are the same leftist lunatics that, just a few months ago, routinely advocated imprisoning anybody with the temerity to even suggest that our government should hold off on fast tracking an untested vaccine of dubious quality and distributing it to the general public.

    Welcome to Clown World.

    1. It’s amazing that when they get what they’ve been clamoring for, suddenly they pretend you’re stupid for giving it to them.

      Which, I suppose, one would be stupid for giving it to them but for a group to get pissy about getting what they want is interesting.

  18. Trump needs to tout the benefits of not burning yourself alive so these idiots do the opposite.

    1. Gosh….that was an incendiary comment! 🙂

    2. Trump’s advice to KillAllRednecks and Tony, among others: “Bug-chasing is a terrible idea, and nobody ought to do it, ever!”

      Also: “Drive safely!”

  19. Quite possibly one of reason’s most poorly argued article. The TDS shines through clearly, but for the science editor to not write truthful articles that reveal the true covid panic and coverup is shameful. Yeah I know the koch reason folks want to get rid of Trump, but he is likely to get reelected. Reason ignored the riots and violence so they lost much credibility reporting on current events.

    1. If no one cares about it then why does Trump talk about it being ready as soon as possible all the time? Why is he hoping it’ll be ready by the election if no one cares? Do the 200,000 people dead and their families care?

      TDS TDS TDS! If someone is critical of Trump it has to be TDS! Youd explain why, but then you’d just be encouraging TDS.

      You cons have come up with a great scheme to avoid having to think critically or explain your obsession with Trump’s critics.
      TDS. Everyone who disagrees with us has TDS!

      Too bad it makes you look ridiculous to anyone with a brain.

      1. “If no one cares about it then why does Trump talk about it being ready as soon as possible all the time?”

        Is that strawman heavy, lefty shit? Call Tony; he need help with his, too.

        1. Do you know what strawman even is? If no one cares about it why is this article about it? Why are you trolling on an article about it? Please show me that Trump hasn’t been talking about it being ready soon. He contradicted his own CDC director. He contradicts the scientists working on it.

          You were better off just insulting and rolling Sevo. Trying to sound smart just exposes how dumb you really are.

          1. Trying to sound smart just exposes how dumb you really are.

            This TDS-afflicted rectum-sucking genocidal goose-stepper’s self-awareness meter is continuing to read -100%, and the needle keeps trying to go lower.

  20. But, but, but Trump is an anti-Vaxxer !!! How could this be?!/prog head explodes

  21. The headline is correct, but misleading to imply that it’s only Trump. A better headline would simply leave out “Trump’s” and read, “Vaccine Cheerleading Is Undermining Public Trust in the Vaccines.” Or better, “Cheerleading Is Undermining Public Trust in Vaccines — as It Should!”

    1. True.
      What is the sound of one hand hand clapping?
      It produces wariness to many.

  22. We need a WALL of separation between science and state — government ruins everything touches.

  23. More evidence the Trumpenfuhrer is the all-time world champion troll.

  24. It must be deeply disturbing to the regulars here that the American people are demonstrating a capacity for critical thought that permits them to ignore Trump’s flapping orange face and pay attention to actual medical science on a subject that might seriously affect their lives. It’s almost as if even his own supporters aren’t willing to trust him on this obviously self-serving vaccine stuff. They did say he wasn’t there to be smart, just to piss the libs off, I guess, because they’re totally serious people who should be listened to about stuff.

    You have tried so, so hard to get people to swallow whatever the fat man says uncritically. Where did you go wrong?

    1. Delicious Tony tears of outrage.

    2. …says the flaming far-left fool with his lips glued to the Democrats’ rectums who’s never demonstrated any capacity for independent thought or understanding of science of any kind, let alone medical science.

      1. No I’m rubber and you’re glue.

        1. So, how does Hussein’s rectum taste, loser?

    3. “American people are demonstrating a capacity for critical thought”

      Exhibit A: “Trump’s flapping orange face.”

      You must be Canadian, right?

      1. No they won’t let me come because America is too much of a shithole and our refugees are too unskilled.

        1. Honest question, why do you stay in the US then?

        2. Tony: it’s extremely easy for Americans to work in Canada (and eventually become citizens). If you’re American and can’t move to Canada, it’s because you can get no one to hire you there, or because you have a criminal record.

  25. Coulrophobia: the fear of clowns.

    Trumpy the Clown reminds very many of Pennywise the Clown.

    What kind of moron would take a vaccine from Trumpywise?

    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/jWS_DRpirI4/maxresdefault.jpg

    1. “…Trumpywise?”

      Q: Why do asshole TDS victims make up nicknames which embarrass 1st-grade kids?
      A: They kids are smarter than they are.

      1. Q: Why do Trump bootlickers accuse everyone who citicizes Trump of having TDS?
        A: Because they’re too inbred and stupid to come up wth an argument supporting Trump.

        1. *criticizes

        2. “Q: Why do Trump bootlickers accuse everyone who citicizes Trump of having TDS?”

          Q: Why do lefty shits afflicted with TDS keep trying to justify it?

          1. Because it’s a right wing delusion used to justify their ignorance and incompetance.

        3. Q: Why do “rednecks” (i.e. anyone to the right of Stalin) support Trump instead of taking the advice of genocidal goose-steppers with names like “KillAllRednecks” to vote for treasonous totalitarian terrorist thugs who’ve openly stated (on numerous occasions) their desire to rob, rape, and murder anyone to the right of Stalin?

          A: You just answered your own question.

  26. Here come the Trump worshipping bootlickers. Trump can do no wrong and any criticism of him is TDS or Orange Man bad!

    We should lock these lefty traitors up for their treasonous criticismof Trump! Covid is no more dangerous than the flu and the media is trying to hurt Trump! Except when Trump said it was more dangerous then he took decisive action to save lives! What did Biden do? NOTHING! It’s like Biden’s not even president and Trump is. Except for when 200,00 people died. The numbers aren’t accurate either. What would doctor’s and scientists know? Nothing! Trump knows more than the general’s he’s so smart!
    Trump’s gonna win in a landslide. I just know it. The polls are all wrong. They have to be. Ive seen so many MAGA hats and Trump signs there’s no way he can lose! But also us Trump supporters are under attack by Antifa and libs. You never see Trump signs or MAGA hats because we’ll be attacked by Antifa and Biden supporters! Joe Biden supports violence! He never said that but we can say he did because it makes him look bad. Biden has destroyed the cities and wants to abolish the suburbs. Biden stood around while small parts of cities burned and did nothing! It’s not like Trump’s president and he’s not! This violence happened on his watch if you really twist logic around and lie!

    Dems are trying to steal the election with vote by mail WE HAVE PROOF!
    No votes have been cast yet.
    WE WILL HAVE PROOF WHEN THE VOTES ARE CAST. Unless Trump wins. Then everything is on the up and up and it was Trump’s idea to encourage voting by mail all along. He even voted by mail him self!

    1. “Here come the Trump worshipping bootlickers.”

      Here are the asshole victims of TDS!

      1. Sevo I think you’re actually a liberal. You’re a parody account to make the Trump sycophants look ridiculous.
        Bravo sir!
        It’s either that or you genuinely believe the insults you post and the simple arguments you copied from other posters every ten or so posts.
        I’m going with the former.

        1. Lefty shit, I’m sure you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus. Make the world a better place and die.

          1. You’re life must really suck if all you do is come on here to troll, insult, and repeat the same old right wing talking points.
            If I helped you lose your virginity would you be more civil? I know you’re never going to do anything but troll people… You’re simply too uneducated, backwards, and inbred. However, maybe you stop telling people to die? Unless they’re Mormons. You should be as mean as possible to Mormons.

            1. You’re [sic] life must really suck if all you do is come on here to troll, insult, and repeat the same old right wing talking points.

              The self-awareness meter is reading in the negative numbers for the TDS-afflicted self-proclaimed wannabe murderer of all “rednecks” (people to the right of Stalin) who only comes on here to troll, insult, and repeat the same old delusional leftard narrative.

    2. The reincarnation of Hihn.

      1. Don’t know who that is, but if he pissed off you inbred, Trump cock sucking rednecks then he sounds like great.

        1. Lefty shit, I’m sure you’re a fucking lefty ignoramus. Make the world a better place and die.

        2. I do not think you understand Trump’s base of support. A large number of physicians and surgeons will vote for him, because he has defended us against the hyper-regulation of the Democrats.

          Many Leftists don’t really understand the Trump base, because all you listen to is Leftist Media.

          You get it wrong because you are in an echo chamber.

          Sanjosemike (no longer in CA)
          Retired surgeon

          1. Old coots like you don’t understand “leftists” because anyone right of Pat Buchanan is a “leftist” to you. Have fun dying before me Mike in San Jose but doesn’t live in CA anymore.

            1. Well, whoever you are, you make it clear that you hate homosexuals and hate poor people.

              That’s pretty typical among people who hate Trump, whatever political leanings you identify with.

        3. Note: using homosexuality and low socioeconomic status as insults. That’s typical for the left. They are people who pretend to have our interests at heart but really hate our guts.

  27. Haven’t vaccinated in 40 years and I sure ain’t gonna start now. RNA altering vaccines that haven’t been tested? I’ll pass. After the way this fake pandemic has been handled by government and the fake medical authorities, I trust no one.

    1. RNA vaccines have been successful in animals, and they are really just a cleaner and safer version of a traditional killed virus vaccine.

      Having said that, unless you’re in a high risk group for COVID, there is really little reason to get vaccinated.

      Hysteria on both sides around this issue is just astounding.

      Personally, I’m not worried about COVID and don’t intend to get vaccinated, but I also don’t think vaccination is dangerous.

  28. There are a number of vaccines that a percentage of the population still do not take, even though Democrats were in power when they originated. An example of this is Shingrex, which is the vaccine for Shingles (H. zoster). It requires two separate dosages and is known to have specific side effects for some individuals.

    People who get shingles will all tell you shingles was a horrible experience. Some never completely recover from the post herpetic neuralgia. But, in the final analysis, it is up to you.

    There are a percentage of people who severely detest Donald Trump. I’ve never been quite certain why this is the case, but that is another subject. Perhaps his comments as an entertainer bear into this. I never particularly liked him, but he is a terrific president.

    That aside, I will probably wait about 1-1.5 months before getting it. I want to see how many cases (if any of Gillian Barre disease) occur, and find out the percentage of the population who get it.

    But there may not be any. I want to travel again, so eventually I will get the vaccine. I am not naïve. I know that animal proteins are used to develop them and there are small amounts remaining.

    Nothing in life is pure or perfect. Our own DNA is mixed with a vast variety of other human DNA from an eternity of the past.

    Try to get over your TDS. A good, safe vaccine will help us return to normal.

    Sanjosemike (No longer in CA)
    Retired surgeon

    1. I realize there are plenty of smart, reasonable people who support Trump. We can disagree and get along still.
      Do you really not see why “leftists” have a problem with terms like “TDS?” If you’re right and the “leftists” are wrong why not address the criticism of Trump and show the “leftists” that they’re wrong? No! The “leftists” are so wrong we must not acknowledge their grievances. They must only be told they’re wrong, but not why. They have Trump Derangement Syndrome.
      If you cannot see why people would have a problem with that then who cares if you’re a “retired surgeon” you’re still stupid. I’m a biologist, and it may make me more familiar with vaccines and infectious diseases than some people, but it doesn’t make me any kind of authority. I certainly won’t end my comments with it as a title. I especially wouldn’t if my comment was a dumb as all the other right wingers.

      1. I would agree that the term is overused. However, I’ve seen behavior bordering on insanity. I am serious that if Trump said the sky is blue, some people would demand that it is purple.

        Reason itself ran a long series on the months of riots in Portland, but as soon as Trump deployed federal police to defend a courthouse after it had already been broken into and set on fire, even Reason was horrified that they were … arresting people identified as rioters? Deploying border patrol onto guard duty?

        As soon as Trump got involved, people rush to oppose Trump no matter what. That is Trump Derangement Syndrome.

    2. No one gives a shit if you’re from San Jose but no longer live there. Judging by yur comment and that you’re retired you’re just a right wing old coot. I take comfort that you’ll be dead soon
      You ca be a “retired surgeon” and have shit opinions about politics.

      1. Sorry for the typos. I have fun, young people activities to do and don’t have time to proofread. The kind of stuff you may have done 60 years ago, or probably didn’t because you’re a right wing square.
        Have fun dying before Mike the retired surgeon in San Jose but no longer lives in CA.(that’s vital info right there. Glad you included it in your comment)

        1. I have fun, young people activities to do […] The kind of stuff you may have done 60 years ago, or probably didn’t because you’re a right wing square.

          Right wing squares who spend their youth building careers and families live long, healthy, fulfilling, prosperous lives.

    3. And the surgical or medical treatment for TDS is what.

      Please define it for me. I cannot find it anywhere in the medical literature.

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  32. My lack of trust lies with the politicians who are still obscenely sticking to a March script to continue imposing draconian anti-science and anti-human restrictions and measures.

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    May as well do the same for the flu now, no? If it’s all about cases that is.

    They’re clueless. And dangerous.

  33. Sigh. Either the vaccine is cleared by science and ready to go, or it isn’t. Whether Trump rooted for it is irrelevant unless you can prove he forced anyone to unduly rush the process.

  34. Trump is undermining trust because he is defining the medical science community in his own political terms. That is obvious.

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    This was the first published result from the mRNA vaccine still under clinical trials by Moderna. There are others. If an mRNA vaccine can be ready for clinical use it would be a breakthrough technology.

  35. People who decide about the efficacy of a potential vaccine or treatment based on politics are not simple ignorant, the are stupid or worse sinister. They are guilty of not following the science as they like accuse people of doing.

    People really should not be basing their beliefs on either agreeing with Donald Trump or being in opposition of Donald Trump. Donald Trump is flawed just like any other human including Joe Biden. There are going to be things that each of us do correctly and things that we will do incorrectly.

    The last that I checked Donald Trump was not a doctor, nor is Joe Biden. Trump does get briefed by doctors and forms his opinions on these conversations.

    I’m pretty sure that Trump didn’t decide that hydroxychloroquine might be effective on his own. It is very likely that a person of science such as a doctor informed him of the possibility. Likewise regarding a potential vaccine, Trump is being informed of the research.

    Trump is in a position where regardless what action he takes he will be criticized for it. He could do EXACTLY what the media and Democrats ask for and would still be soundly criticized.

    Don’t misunderstand this a support for Trump, because I didn’t and will not vote for him, nor will I vote for the Swamp Creature Joe Biden. I simply wanted to point out the hypocrisy and stupidity of a large number of complaints against Donald Trump.

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