Election 2020

Asked About a Peaceful Transfer of Power, Trump Says 'We're Going to Have To See What Happens'

Trump's garbled response probably wasn't a sign he's planning to subvert the election. But it was a failure of presidential competence. 

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Asked at a press conference yesterday whether he would "commit here today for a peaceful transferal of power after the November election," President Trump declined to answer in the affirmative.

Instead, he offered a non-committal response before diverting to a secondary pet peeve. "Well, we're going to have to see what happens," he said. He then complained about the voting process. "You know that I've been complaining very strongly about the ballots, and the ballots are a disaster," he continued, presumably referencing this year's expected uptick in mail-in voting, which the president has repeatedly criticized.

Once again, the reporter pressed Trump on whether he would "commit to making sure there's a peaceful transferal of power."

And once again, Trump demurred, saying, "Get rid of the ballots and you'll have a very peaceful—there won't be a transfer, frankly. There will be a continuation. The ballots are out of control. You know. And you know who knows it better than anybody else? The Democrats. The Democrats know it better than anyone else."

As if often the case when Trump speaks, his disjointed sentences leave some room for interpretation. The most alarming interpretation, and the one least likely to be true, is that Trump was refusing to commit to a peaceful post-election transferal of power, that he was signaling a willingness to interfere with the election process ("get rid of the ballots") in order to gain electoral advantage, and that he plans to be president after the election ("a continuation") no matter the outcome of the vote.

Another possibility is that Trump was not declaring his intention to make an authoritarian post-election power grab, but evading a direct response in order to focus on himself and his personal grievances. In this interpretation, he was merely saying, in his familiar haphazard way, that he doesn't expect there to be a transfer of power because he expects to win the election, and then griping about the balloting process.

Neither interpretation is flattering, but the second, more likely version is obviously less troubling since it suggests that Trump is not a dictator in the making but a narcissist who speaks in jumbled half-thoughts and frequently appears incapable of engaging with any idea except through the lens of his own resentments.

That interpretation fits with Trump's recent responses to other questions that should be easy to answer, such as "How do you think history will remember John Lewis?" to which Trump replied, "He didn't come to my inauguration"; and "What are your top priority items for a second term?" to which Trump replied with some rambling thoughts on the word "experience" and by calling John Bolton an idiot. (Fair enough.)

The less-worrying interpretation of his response still does not reflect well on Trump. One of the president's core duties is to speak clearly, partly to communicate his intentions to Americans and the rest of the world, and partly because his words can carry the force of law. Yet Trump's garbled manner of speech consistently renders his meaning unclear, raising fears about what he might have meant, and what he might be planning. We should expect presidents to be able to answer easy questions clearly and directly. And the transfer of power question was an easy, easy question.

So Trump's answer probably wasn't a warning that he's planning to subvert the election. But it was a fundamental failure of presidential coherence and competence. If you are the President of the United States, and you are asked a question that in any way resembles, "Will you commit to the peaceful transfer of political power if you lose the coming election?" the only acceptable answer is "Yes."

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  1. The second interpretation is basic politician. Saying it does not matter because I am going to win is pretty much political trope.
    The third option Suderman didn’t mention was he was referring to his winning and the very real likelihood leftist won’t be peaceful.

    1. Or that even if he loses leftist won’t be peaceful.

      1. He should’ve said he might protest a bit but it will be mostly peaceful

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        2. I’d vote for him more than once if he had said that.

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      2. I took it as this.

        Considering that, since he took office, people have been saying they were going to burn the White House down and guillotine him and, on top of that, there appears to be broad interest in large-scale civil unrest should he win. I took his statements to be rather frank and honest.

        If the election is contested and Biden’s corpse gets wheeled in to the WH by a torch-weilding mob, he absolutely shouldn’t relinquish power peacefully.

        1. How many times have the left promised to get him as soon as he leaves office? Leaving peacefully doesn’t appear to be in his interest.

          1. It’s stupid, and classless, to expect Trump to talk about what if he loses. It’s pure Enemy of the People bs.

            And let’s be honest. As things stand now, Trump has to be way up. The polls are just propaganda. Trump has thousands at rallies. Boat parades across the country. Unwavering support from his base. Biden has no base. He can’t fill a broom closet. He shuts down public appearances at 9 am every day. A D governments are waging economic and terroristic war on their constituents.
            Absent massive vote fraud, Trump won’t lose.

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              1. Does shoprite have any employees left???

            2. Why isn’t he 50 points ahead, you might ask.

              1. Leo, you deserve the socialist totalitarianism you do absolutely nothing to oppose.

            3. This has to be one of the most moronic things I’ve ever read.

              Because some thousands out of a country of 320 MILLION are cult-like devoted to a dunce means that he can’t lose?

              Get your head checked, for real.

              1. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a prima facie example of stupid.

                1. Those whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad.

                  1. Speaking of which, Yom Kippur is 3 days away. Shouldn’t Reason’s resident Talmudic scholar be telling us how the Kol Nidre means what it doesn’t mean?

                    1. lol. baiter. leave him out an Eintopf I read once they liked those

              2. This whole leftist chanting of cult is hilarious.

            4. No, it is not. It is a completely fair game question to ask an incumbent President if he will leave office peacefully if he loses.

              And he should have been able to answer it articulately.

              CACLL commenters here can point to every time Joe Biden has said something garbled or wrong in public, but overlook on a daily basis Trump’s frequent inability to speak in complete sentences.

              1. It would be a bit more fair if they ever asked his opponents the same question.

                1. His opponent (there is only one) isn’t the incumbent, and his opponent already has left office after losing, and his opponent hasn’t been sending out signals that there might be an issue.

                  1. Actually both him and his surrogates have sent signals they will not accept a loss and then backtracked and then doubled down again. Sort of like his for, against and for again stand on forced mask mandates.

                    1. That is a separate topic.

                  2. Given that his opponent was part of an administration that actually DID undermine the peaceful transition of power to a new administration, I’d say it’s pretty relevant.

                    1. Relax. Trump won’t even steal the silverware.

                    2. Idiot. ^

                    3. That is also a separate topic.

                  3. What office did he leave after losing?

              2. So you’d prefer him to say he will instead of say he will and then not do so? Do I need to bring up Gore? Or the entire Russia gambit?

                Why do idiots prefer words to actions?

                1. The point of my comment (and the blog post we are commenting on) is that Trump is inarticulate. He has trouble speaking in complete sentences.

                  I would prefer that he speak clearly and complete his thoughts.

              3. Funny how they didn’t ask Obama that.

              4. No, this was an imbecilic question.

                “Win, lose, or draw, will you commit to a peaceful transfer of power?”

                Why the hell would you ask an incumbent to commit to a peaceful transfer of power in the event they win??? There’s no transfer, and all the violence is going to be by the losing side, over which he has no influence.

                If there’s a draw, there will be recounts, court challenges, maybe go to the House, and after all that’s done, somebody is the winner. So “draw” makes no sense either. And, again, based on the last few months, it won’t be Trump’s supporters rioting, so why ask HIM to commit?

                It WOULD have been a reasonable question if the interviewer had asked your question. But he didn’t.

                “CACLL commenters here can point to every time Joe Biden has said something garbled or wrong in public, but overlook on a daily basis Trump’s frequent inability to speak in complete sentences.”

                Now, that’s a fair point, I face palm every time Trump opens his mouth. But I do see a significant difference here, in that Biden seems totally innumerate, and unaware of it. Any normal person would understand the difference between 200 thousand Americans dying of something, and 200 MILLION. Biden? Not on your life, he’ll just blurt out the latter number and not even notice that it’s implausible.

                And even Polifact has noticed that Biden has a loose connection to the facts, that he has, yes, lies, that he regularly repeats despite people pointing out to him they’re false.

            5. Anecdotal fallacy Nardz. I know Trump has taught you all that if you don’t like a fact you can just call it fake news and ignore it, but in the real world people can’t just ignore things they don’t like. Sometimes there’s gonna be bad news snowflake. Get used to it and toughen up. Polls for the most part are usually right. The fact that they underestimated Trump’s support last time means if anything they’ll over compensate and over estimate his support. Trump having thousands at “boat parades” and rallies and Biden having less attendence at his rallies doesn’t mean anything. Biden supporters are more likely to take Covid seriously and stay home. Trump supporters believe every lie that comes out of his mouth and aren’t taking Covid seriously. Even if you didn’t take Covid into account the number of people at rallies is not a good indicator of support. Look at past elections and the polls. There are famous exaples of them being wrong, but more often than not they’re right. In 2016 Hilary won the popular vote. The Senate and EC giving overrepresentation to shit kicking inbred hillbillies favors Trump, but Biden probably will win. Still a long way to go, and Trump has three opportunities to make a fool out of himself during the debates. So hopefully the lying traitor will be thrown out of office.

              1. You are incorrect, stupid, bigoted, and psychotic, with severe emotional problems.
                Your life will most likely end violently, perhaps in the near future.

                1. Please explain why I’m incorrect? Or are you just like your dear fuhrer? You can’t put together a coherent thought?

                  Goddamn the people on this website are dumb. More often than not the reply to me is just “No! You’re wrong you lefty piece of shit!” With no explanation why. Maybe I am wrong? Maybe you could convince me? However you have no chance of that if you don’t even tell me why I’m wrong or what I’m wrong about.

                  1. Don’t worry about it KAR. Just stay home and hide from covid and the inbred rednecks cuz everything is so terrible and unfair.

                    Haha.

                    1. I guess it’s unreasonable for people to explain why they think I’m a liar or I’m wrong. I guess most cons are too inbred to put together a coherent argument. I put too much pressure on old Nardz and he finally cracked. Poor guy. I didn’t realize how broken he is. I’ll go easy on him and all you inbred Conservative morons from now on.

        2. Gracefully conceding an election included:
          1. Shooting up GOP baseball games
          2. Allowing supporters to burn cities.
          3. Staging coups against democratically elected president.
          4. FBI collusion/perjury traps.
          5. Leaking classified information.

          1. Trumplican grace includes:
            1) shooting up a pizza joint.
            2) allowing armed supporters to riot.
            3) Taking over the justice department and putting your thumb on the scales of justice.
            4) Police misconduct on search warrants. Bitch about FBI, but not about Brianna Taylor’s search warrant.
            5) Collusion with Russia (or at least giving them a pass), screwing up North Korea, Iran, Syria, China, Most of Europe, Most of South/Central America (allowing the Chinese to get a foothold) and Most of Africa.

            I guess Republican shit doesn’t stink.

            1. 1) shooting up a pizza joint.
              Bullshit

              2) Allowing armed supporters to riot.
              Bullshit.

              3) Taking over the justice department and putting your thumb on the scales of justice.
              Holder and Lynch weren’t part of the Trump Administration

              4) Police misconduct on search warrants. Bitch about FBI, but not about Brianna Taylor’s search warrant.
              Feds had nothing to do with the warrant

              5) Collusion with Russia (or at least giving them a pass), screwing up North Korea, Iran, Syria, China, Most of Europe, Most of South/Central America (allowing the Chinese to get a foothold) and Most of Africa.
              Empty-headed, long discredited leftist talking points.

            2. Wow you lied about quarter of them, a quarter of them are deranged conspiracy theories , and the rest are the Democrats fault.

              Breonna Taylor died in Louisville, Kentucky. A city with a Democrat for a mayor, Democrats for city council members and a Democrat for a police chief.
              Just like Minneapolis where George Floyd was killed, just like Chicago where Miguel Vega died, just like Portland, just like Philadelphia, just like Baltimore.
              You own those deaths you lying shithead, no Republicans were involved.

              1. These leftists are embarrassing themselves. Well, they would be embarrassed if the weren’t such a horrible combination of stupidity and arrogance.

                1. That’s funny. Funny that anyone who criticizes Trump is a “leftist” and funny that the whole world outside of the minority who actually voted for this traitor see you all as a cult.

                  1. As soon as Reason lefty’s know they’ve lost their argument, they start squawking “cultist”. Just like their prog pals elsewhere who scream “racist” when they’ve got nothing else left.

                    It’s pathetic but that’s how you act when every rhetorical trick and argument you have is in bad faith.

          2. Mother’s Lament:
            1. One crazy loon shot up the baseball game. By that argument a republican/libertarian/conservative killed 168 people in Oklahoma city in 1995.
            2. Democrats have been denouncing the violence and calling for it to end. Conservatives have been claiming peaceful protesters are at fault. And hell where I live the far right loons are causing as much violence as Antifa. Cons have been setting up illegal checkpoints stopping people evacuating wildfires at gunpoint. Why do you cons need to lie?
            3. Please point me to where there’s been a coup? There was impeachment proceedings and the Republicans refused to even call witnesses during the senate trial.
            4. Collusion/ Perjury traps? Don’t know what you’re referring to. Cons believe so many conspiracy theories and lies I can’t keep them straight.
            5. Again who leaked classified information? See #4. During his 2016 campaign Trump said “I love leaks” and encouraged Russia to hack Democrats.

    2. More like it was just the leftist media trying to get him to concede the election before it even begins (again, just like in 2016), and Trump refusing to concede before a single vote was counted.

      1. Moonrocks(you must be smoking rocks): don’t recall anyone asking him to concede before the 2016 election. Athough Hilary conceded on election night despite winning the popular vote. There were Dems and Republicans who pulled their endorsements and asked him to drop out after the “Grab em by the Pussy” tape came out. Where are all those Cons now who said they couldn’t support someone like that because they have wives or daughter’s(because you have to live with women to be able to empathize with them for some reason?) Trump is trying to claim fraud and deligitamize the election before anyone has even voted? He claims vote by mail is illegitamate without any evidence. Despite him voting by mail, and encouraging absentee voting in states he knows he will safely win.

        Can I have whatever you’re smoking cuz goddamn it must be good. You cons are so high you don’t make a lick of sense!

        1. Anything else? Go on, don’t hold back! Haha.

          Everything is so terrible and unfair.

          1. Don’t know how you got that I think things are terrible and unfair. If you’re trying to learn to read I suggest something a little less challenging… The Art of the Deal by Trump! There’s no pictures but it was written by someone who writes at a 1st grade level so it’s probably a good place for you to start.

            (I know it was ghostwritten and the guy who wrote it hates Trump) why is it everyone who has a business relationship end up not liking him?

    3. yeah, the question 4 years ago was whether Trump would graciously concede. when really they should have been asking Clinton.

    4. The question is retarded and so is suderman for trying to propagandize Lefty nonsense.

      1. BonesConstitution1789: Why won’t Trump commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses? Biden says he’ll concede if he loses? Why is Trump trying to deligitamize the results before any votes have been cast? Why is he (incoherently btw) claiming voting by mail is fraudulent without any evidence? Why does he himself vote by mail then?

        Do you love every part of the constitution? What about the 22nd amendment? Trump doesn’t seem to know that part. What about the 18th amendment? I fucking hate the 18th amendment! Do you love the 3/5 compromise? Do you love the fugitive slave clause?

        1. I think you should get really angry about this and lose sleep over it.

          1. I think you should keep trolling me. If it gives your life purpose and a reason to get up in the morning then I’ll take your silly little insults. If it keeps you from reaching for that cocked pistol beside your bed you can make fun of me all you want!

            Eventually you should see a doctor though…

    5. Multiple leftist like Hillary are point blank say Biden should not accept defeat under any circumstance. Trump is at least saying if Democrats attempt to rig it.

      They are still finding ballots from the primaries and now military ballot thrown in the ditch.

      1. That’s not what Hilary said you liar. She said he shouldn’t concede on election night. Because we won’t know becase of mail in voting she’s right.
        Trump is the one who won’t say he’ll accept the results if he loses. Why do you cons feel the need to lie? Is it because he truth makes you look bad?

    6. The reporter’s question includes the premise that there would be a transfer of power, peaceful or otherwise, if the incumbent wins the election. It also includes the premise that there would be a transfer of power in the event of a draw. Faced with this gibberish, the incumbent declines to immediately surrender leading Suderman to accuse Trump of “jumbled half-thoughts and frequently appear[ing] incapable of engaging with any idea except through the lens of his own resentments.” Projection much?

      Suderman’s argument and many of the comments on this thread are mentally inserting the phrase “…if you lose” to the end of the question as if the reporter actually said it. He did not. And with that critical bit missing, it’s not Trump who is lacking in “coherence and competence”.

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  2. “We’re going to have to see what happens.”

    This is incredibly restrained for him. Whether he believes it or not….many people who are voting for him believe that Democrats are going to try to commit massive fraud in order to win. (Those crazy conspiracy kooks!) They wouldn’t want him to just roll over and he is playing to that

    1. Suderman has lost his mind. Does anyone really think a president could stay in the whitehouse after he lost? Especially one hated by literally every agency head and the military leadership caste and 45% approval.

      1. This is stupid beyond imagining. If after losing, he shows up at the White House on Jan 21, his own Secret Service detail could arrest him.

        This is not an issue. Anyone with half a brain knows that. The charlatans in the media (looking at you Suderman) who ask these questions are just lazy and looking for click-bait.

        1. They are laying the groundwork for mass arrests/murder of Trump supporters and conservatives.
          That is all.
          This is straight color revolution/regime change playbook.

          1. Keep believing that Nadz. If these deranged Trump haters are so dangerous you better stay inside and keep yourself safe. Don’t even leave to vote for Trump. Since you think he’s gonna win in a landslide there’s really no point in risking your safety and going out to vote.
            Trump can’t lose after all. The polls have to be rigged. I saw a HUGE Trump sign in my neighbors yard. It was one of the biggest signs I’ve ever seen. Why would someone make such a huge sign if they weren’t sure Trump was gonna win? And if you want more proof he’ll win why would someone put this giant Trump sign in their yard if they weren’t sure Trump would win in a landslide? It’s full proof!
            Just in case you already don’t believe: I talked to all my cousins/spouse, aunt’s, uncle’s, and other relatives. They all said they and their friends were voting for Trump! The only one who said they were voting for Biden was my Uncle Bob. There you have it! Undeniable proof Trump will win in a landslide. My family is as American as they come so of course the average patriot will vote for Trump. Case closed!

        2. You don’t really get it: The plan is that, if he wins, legitimately wins, they will claim Biden actually won, and that Trump is refusing to leave office after losing.

          Then they can paint defending himself against the mobs as a violent refusal to leave office.

          1. I believe this to be a significant possibility.
            I think one of the reasons the question is posed is because they are hoping the overturning of election night results by late mail in ballots in swing states is in play and they want pre-approval by the president of that, rather than to contest such a result. I think they want people to believe that contesting mail in ballots is refusing to leave office peacefully… and i dont think anyone really believes the dem run swing states are instituting mass mail in balloting – countable when mailed up to 9 days after the election – for the common good… it is for the dishonest good of dem ballot harvesters.

      2. Suderman didn’t say a word on whether Trump could pull off refusing to vacate the White House. Suderman wrote about Trump’s inability (or perhaps purposeful use of) to communicate clearly.

        1. Another possibility is that Trump was not declaring his intention to make an authoritarian post-election power grab, but evading a direct response in order to focus on himself and his personal grievances.

          Hey, WK, if you can correctly identify the logical fallacy(s) that Suderman engaged in, I will give you a pass on reflexively believing anything that confirms your continuous braying of ‘orange man bad’.

          1. Tell you what. I don’t care if you give me a pass or not.

            If you want to point out a logical fallacy in what Suderman posted, please do so.

            1. Got it, you don’t give a shit if his argument was fallacious. Critical thinking is too hard for the TDS crowd.

              1. You got nothin’

              2. The false dichotomy of the article doesn’t make all criticism of Trump wrong. You’re the one engaged in fallacies. Dismissing all criticism of Trump as “TDS” or “Orange Man bad” you simply being bootlicking stoog.

                Why do you Trump supporters bend the Truth and lie to justify your leaders wacky statement? To normal people you all look incredibly stupid.

        2. One of the president’s core duties is to speak clearly

          Of course, it’s right there in the Constitution!

          Oh, wait….

          1. Reason, common sense, logic…what are these??

      3. Does anyone really think a president could stay in the whitehouse after he lost?

        It is crazy. Of course it would never happen. Which is what Trump should have said. Of course he would leave peacefully if he loses the election and any legal recounts.

        Quite frankly the response by both sides is ridiculous; Trump’s non-answering of the question and the media response to his non-answer.

        1. Does peace include not laying investigation groundwork for your successor to limit their execution of the office? I would contend Obama did not leave peacefully.

          1. What does Obama have to do with anything that I wrote?

            Do you think I like(d) Obama or approve of his politically motivated use of the FBI?

            1. What “politically motivated use of the FBI” by Obama are you referring to? Do you approve of Trump and Barr’s political use of the FBI and DHS?

        2. I think concerns over Trump not conceding the election are perfectly valid. He has stated that he will not concede, that the “only way we lose this thing is if it is RIGGED”. These are very alarming threats coming from the most powerful man on earth. These should be taken very seriously. This kind of rhetoric would get a president impeached, if all sanity hadn’t already left the room.

          1. Hey, look, a pretend libertarian calling someone out for thoughtcrime. Guilty until he proves himself innocent…

            1. Sure, the President is just “someone”, and we shouldn’t be concerned with what he says or what he may be thinking. Got it.

      4. Do you have evidence that Suderweigel ever “had” his mind?

    2. We always vote about 50-50 there does not need to be massive fraud. Look at the whole Bush / Gore race out of million in the US 100’s determined the election all coming down to florida men counting chads and hanging chads.

  3. this is what we are pretending today huh? We have civil insurrection happening across this country, it’s open season on open Trump supporters, we are in the midst of the greatest economic shift/wealth transfer since reconstruction and this is what we are concerned about today?

    1. did you publish this bullshit when Obama was president, Bush was president or Clinton was president like the insane fringe people did in every one of those election years?

      1. Yeah I remember the right rioting across the country in 2016 and 2000. Oops never happened.

        1. I don’t remember the left rioting after the Trump election either. They had a pussy hat parade. The riots were in response to police actions. Now I think that some of that rioting is in response to Trump insofar as many on the left think he is the antiChrist and we are in the end of times; despite many on the lefts belief that religion is for hick dumbasses.

          1. They rioted on INAUGURATION day, FFS.

      2. Suderman is just fulfilling his duties as a JournoList subscriber. These columns are obligatory.
        Expect more from ENB and the rest of the B-Team.

        1. Unreason is filled with a bunch of Pravda pussies.

          1. +10000000

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      3. No we didn’t, because neither Obama, Bush, or Clinton hinted that they would stay in power if they lost. None of them claimed the election was rigged. The only significant electoral controversy during that era was a few hanging chads. But absolutely no hint anywhere that a transition would not be peaceful.

        1. They were never asked either.

        2. because neither Obama, Bush, or Clinton hinted that they would stay in power if they lost.

          Neither did Trump

          None of them claimed the election was rigged.

          That’s because nobody used a cold virus as a pretext to move to all mail-in voting after passing state laws enabling ballot harvesting and mandating the acceptance of ballots with missing or mismatched signatures. You’re also full of fucking shit, of course. Obama and Ms. Rodham-Clinton both claimed the election was rigged, that Fox News and AM radio were brainwashing people, and of course Clinton refused to concede on election night when she had clearly lost, suggested that Jill Stein had stolen the election from her, and used the Obama administration to spy on her opponent’s campaign and use an oppo dossier as a pretext for FISA warrants and spying for which several people are now being charged with crimes and sent to prison.

          So, fuck yourself with a railroad tie you lying piece of subhuman shit.

          1. Exaggerate much. We are facing an extra long period of counting ballots. No finding out who was elected before going to bed on election night. Not the end of the world.

            Trump could help, instead of fanning partisan flames, by making sure the Post Office is prepared.

            1. Maybe angry idiots shouldn’t hang on the dudes every word.

          2. Don Henley you are a lying traitor. Clinton conceded. Obama nor Clinton spied on Trump’s campaign. The FBI monitored people involved in Trump’s campaign because they felt they warranted monitoring. Seeing as how some were charged and convicted of crimes i think they were justified. Where did Clinton claim the election was rigged? Her and Obama have talked about Russia meddling on Trump’s behalf because they did. That’s not saying it was rigged. There’s a global pandemic that has killed more than 200,000 Americans and all scientists who aren’t politicizing it are encouraging people to stay at home as much as possible. Trump and his followers have produced zero evidence that mail in voting will lead to fraud. They’re claiming it’s fraudulent before anyone has voted. Now because we’ve never voted by mail on such a massive scale before it would make sense to invest as much time and resources to make it as safe and secure as possible. Trump has done the opposite. He tried to sabatoge the USPS. Nevermind it’s a global pandemic where people are encouraged to say home and avoid contact as much as possible, so fucking with the mail regardless of voting is a shitty, if not criminal thing to do.
            You people have his dick so far down your throat it’s scary. You parrot all his lies. Even when he contradicts himself you’ll do some mental gymnastics so you don’t have to admit you’ve fallen victim to a con artist. A bumbling, incoherent con artist.

        3. Obama did spy on Trump and had the national intel community work to undermine his successor. I guess that’s “peaceful” to some.

          1. How many felons were operating within the Trump campaign? Are we up to 11, or was it 14?

            Hang out with a bunch of crooks who are under surveillance, and see what happens. Break the law, get your children taken forever, right? Isn’t that what you brown shirts, excuse me, red hats always say?

            1. You’re talking about the Obama FBI’s perjury traps, right? Hold on to your hat, a lot of FBI top brass are going to be heading to jail for what they pulled.

              Chuck Colson of Watergate fame was sentenced to prison for possessing a single FBI file on a political rival.
              What’s the penalty for a President employing the Director of the FBI, the Deputy Director of the FBI, the Chief of the Counterespionage Section of the FBI, the Director of the CIA, the Director of National Intelligence, and members of the Justice Department and the State Department to gather dirt on members of the opposition political party in an effort to ensure his former Secretary of State wins the Presidency?

          2. And I’, guessing the second senate intel report has not broken through the alt right bubble you all reside in. You should check it out. Bipartisan fact finding report which concludes there was collusion, with names, dates, transcripts, the whole 9.

            It happened. And if you are on board with it, you are a traitor.

    2. What diet of alt-right news are you digesting yo support such paranoia?

  4. Considering Hillary & Biden & AOC have said they will not accept the results and AOC essentially said there will be violence, no Wonder Trump has said “We will see” this is not a one way street the other side has to be willing to legally accept the results as well but no its all up to Trump. TDS

    1. I’m so old I remember people saying this for literally every president I’ve ever been alive for. It’s fucking retarded and deranged. Trump isn’t ideological enough to care that much about this. The presidency is just an ego and life achievement thing for him.

      1. Bullshit I’ve been alive since Ford and have never seen the likes of what is going on this year in any election cycle. Show me the riots across the nation in 2000 and 2016.

        1. Or 1988, 1980? Or 1992?

        2. I’m talking about the he won’t leave narrative.

          1. True said that of Bush and Reagan and many on teh right said that about Clinton but they never asked them if they will abide by the results.

        3. I became politically aware for Nixons Second term I don’t recall any of them ever being asked will they step aside if they loose. this is truly a trick question for trump who rightfully should say thats the stupidist question ever.

        4. Correct solider. And I’ve been alive since Truman.

        5. I remember around 2008-2011ish protests and rioting by far right conservatives who all of a sudden decided theyd had enough with government spending. It’s weird they didn’t organize a few years earlier when Bush was starting wars and cutting taxes. No they decided that during the biggest financial crisis since the great depression that government was out of control! It was just a coincidence that we elected our first African American president around that time. They called themselves the tea party. I an be obtuse and disemgenous too ya know. Since you cons lump the vast majority of protestors who aren’t being violent with the small group of troublemakers. Or ignore all the Dems, liberals, BLM supporters who are clling for violence to stop. Also ignore the Trump supporters causing violence, or the Trump supporting vigalantes who stop people escaping wildfires at gunpoint. Or 17 year old kids hanging out with vigalantes and murdering people in Kenosha. All that matters is making cities with Dem mayor’s look like crime infested shitholes so Trump can try and scare people into voting for him. Truth be damned!

          Still waiting for you to name a Mormon who was killed for being Mormon by the Nazis. You probably can because there’s most likely a few Mormons who were killed and nobody knows the exact reason so you could probaby claimit was for being Mormon. If the LDS Church is claiming Mormons were killed and persecuted by Nazis for simply being Mormon theyre lying.

      2. The presidency is just an ego and life achievement thing for him.

        And, at this point, Presidency achieved. It would be nice to negotiate peace in the ME but I don’t think Trump is single-minded, cold hearted, or humanitarian enough or whatever to go to his grave wishing he was known as the President closest to negotiating peace in the ME rather than the President who actually negotiated it. And I don’t see him getting similary bent out of shape about pretty much any other policy either.

        I think Trump would be less lame than other ducks but there’s a reason why it’s called a lame duck term.

      3. I’m so old I remember people saying this for literally every president I’ve ever been alive for.

        No, you don’t.

      4. I’m so old I remember people saying this for literally every president I’ve ever been alive for

        So you’re 20 then?

        ‘Cos W was the first time this idiocy came around (well, FDR, too–but he DIDN’T leave)

        1. you’re forgetting all the talk of an Obama third term.

    2. There is indeed heated rhetoric coming from both sides about election – process and outcome.

      When asked Trump gives an equivocal “we will see.”

      And Suderman goes apeshit.

      Boy, never saw that coming.

    3. Biden threatened continued violence if Trump wins too.

      1. If that’s true you should have no problem citing where he said that? Trump’s the one who defended a 17 year old vigalante who murdered two people in Kenosha. He’s the one who sent his DHS goons into Portland to escalate violence.
        But please show us where Biden threatened violence if Trump wins?

  5. Neither side is conceding if the election is close. Both sides will be filing court cases. Why is this Impending Fascism instead of just fucking life?

    1. Because they need an excuse to justify assassination of Trump and his supporters when they lose the election.

  6. But it was a failure of presidential competence

    Jesus, Suderman you are a giant pussy. Every word that comes out of your mouth is a failure of competence.

    1. “If I lose the election, I promise to step aside, and not transition the USA into becoming a Trumptatorshit.”

      I guess that is asking WAAAY too much, for one whose ego is as monstrously huge as Trump’s is! Suderman is clearly a GIANT pussy for even conceiving of such thoughts!

      THANK YOU for you clear insights!

      1. Hey, Suderman, at least the bat-shit craziest regular poster on Reason has your back. It says something about the quality of your story that only the barely-medicated crowd finds it valid.

        SQRLSY, if you can find out where he lives, you could start mailing him boxes of your poo.

        1. Do you recall the awesome enchanter named “Tim”, in “Monty Python and the Search for the Holy Grail”? The one who could “summon fire without flint or tinder”? Well, you remind me of Tim… You are an enchanter who can summon persuasion without facts or logic!

          So I discussed your awesome talents with some dear personal friends on the Reason staff… Accordingly…

          Reason staff has asked me to convey the following message to you:

          Hi Fantastically Talented Author:

          Obviously, you are a silver-tongued orator, and you also know how to translate your spectacular talents to the written word! We at Reason have need for writers like you, who have near-magical persuasive powers, without having to write at great, tedious length, or resorting to boring facts and citations.

          At Reason, we pay above-market-band salaries to permanent staff, or above-market-band per-word-based fees to freelancers, at your choice. To both permanent staff, and to free-lancers, we provide excellent health, dental, and vision benefits. We also provide FREE unlimited access to nubile young groupies, although we do firmly stipulate that persuasion, not coercion, MUST be applied when taking advantage of said nubile young groupies.

          Please send your resume, and another sample of your writings, along with your salary or fee demands, to ReasonNeedsBrilliantlyPersuasiveWriters@Reason.com .

          Thank You! -Reason Staff

          1. Bingo! We have a winner! This is your target audience, Suderman!

            1. Yes, Suderman is addressing me and the unfortunately rather SMALL portion of fellow commenters here, who are actually sane and benevolent. Who, for example, expect a POTUS to NOT aspire towards becoming an unelected dictator, and want a POTUS who is willing to say as much!

              Hopefully Suderman’s readership includes other sane and benevolent readers, who are simply to tired and resigned, to bother to argue with insane lusters-after-the-Trumptatorshit!

              1. I see Hihn bequeathed his shift key to you. Congratulations, Now practice typing LEFT-RIGHT=0 one thousand times.

            2. An audience of one. SQRLSY one.

              1. Chumby thinks that I’m the only sane and benevolent one here! Thanks, Chumby!

                But to tell you the truth, there are others here, besides me, who do NOT lust after a Trumptatorshit!

          2. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

            1. “Dear Abby” is a personal friend of mine. She gets some VERY strange letters! For my amusement, she forwards some of them to me from time to time. Here is a relevant one:

              Dear Abby, Dear Abby,
              My life is a mess,
              Even Bill Clinton won’t stain my dress,
              I whinny seductively for the horses,
              They tell me my picnic is short a few courses,
              My real name is Mary Stack,
              NO ONE wants my hairy crack!
              On disability, I live all alone,
              Spend desperate nights by the phone,
              I found a man named Richard Decker,
              But he won’t give me his hairy pecker!
              Decker’s pecker is reserved for farm beasts,
              I am beastly, yes! But my crack’s full of yeasts!

              So Dear Abby, that’s just a poetic summary… You can read about the Love of my Life, Richard Decker, here:
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/11/farmers-kept-refusing-let-him-have-sex-with-their-animals-so-he-sought-revenge-authorities-say/#comments-wrapper
              Farmers kept refusing to let him have sex with their animals. So he sought revenge, authorities say.
              Decker the hairy pecker told me a summary of his story as below:
              Decker: “Can I have sex with your horse?”
              Farmer: “Lemme go ask the horse.”
              Pause…
              Farmer: “My horse says ‘neigh’!”
              And THAT was straight from the horse’s mouth! I’m not horsin’ around, here, no mare!

              So Decker the hairy pecker told me that, apparently never even realizing just HOW DEEPLY it hurt me, that he was all interested in farm beasts, while totally ignoring MEEE!!

              So I thought maybe I could at least liven up my lonely-heart social life, by refining my common interests that I share with Richard Decker… I, too, like to have sex with horses!

              But Dear Abby, the horses ALL keep on saying “neigh” to my whinnying sexual advances!
              Some tell me that my whinnying is too whiny… Abby, I don’t know how to fix it!

              Dear Abby, please don’t tell me “get therapy”… I can’t afford it on my disability check!

              Now, along with my crack full of yeasts… I am developing anorexia! Some are calling me a “quarter pounder with cheese”, but they are NOT interested at ALL, in eating me!!! They will NOT snack on my crack!

              What will I DO, Dear Abby?!?!?

              -Desperately Seeking Horses, Men, or ANYTHING, in Fort Worth,
              Yours Truly,
              Mary Stack / Tulpa / Mary’s Period / “.” / Satan

              1. Right here, Suderman. Bask in the glow all that stark raving mad love!

              2. Just out of curiosity- and I know it’s somewhat rude to ask, but I can’t help myself- what’s your diagnosis?

                1. Sanity, and the ability to see through the endless bullshit of Der TrumpfenFuhrer!

          3. lol I stopped reading your comments like a month after you started posting here. Do you think any regular commenters here actually waste their life reading your garbage ? Whoever you are (I’m guessing either Sarc or Chipper, not that it really matters) I’m sorry that the events of your life have lead to such a pathetic mode of expression.

            1. And Your lusting after a Trumptatorshit is NOT pathetic?

              1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

                1. OMG! I have got the ear of THE Trumptatorshit!!! Government Almighty KNOWS that I have lusted after THIS, for a long, long, LONG time, on the off chance, the TINIEST off chance, that the Trumptatorshit might actually LISTEN for one!

                  Trumptatorshit… PLEASE study up on the value of HUMILITY!!! Even the US Army, a tool of violence to support the State, knows and recognizes the value of humility! Read and cogitate upon the following, PLEASE!!!

                  https://www.military.com/daily-news/2019/12/27/army-has-introduced-new-leadership-value-heres-why-it-matters.html#:~:text=Humility.&text=%22A%20leader%20with%20the%20right,(ADP)%206%2D22.

                  The Army Has Introduced a New Leadership Value. Here’s Why It Matters

            2. Doesn’t matter, if you’ve read one of his posts you’ve literally read them all. Mikey Hihn has literally less than 10 standard posts that he reuses in literally every thread. The sad thing is he’s so mentally fucked up that he probably isn’t copy/pasting. He most likely just types the same over and over and over again. On the bright side, he’s going to die of senile dementia in a government-provided old age facility under a Trump presidency, the unremembered shame of his family.

          4. MIKEY HIHN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

            WHAT A KNEE SLAPPER!

  7. The more the establishment left talks about “What if Trump loses and does not leave the job,” the more you know Coup V2.0 is a go.
    Step 1: Get mail-in voting approved to guarantee a non-credible election result.
    Step 2: Claim Trump’s electoral victory is not legitimate.
    Step 3: Use media brainwashing to make it “true” that Trump really lost but has become a dictator, staying in power.
    Step 4: Impeach or otherwise remove Trump by non-Constitutional means. Frame it as saving the nation.

    1. Biden could die (of natural causes – this isn’t a threat) a week before election day and if the dead guy loses they still won’t accept it.

      1. The election results or that he is dead?

        1. If everything stays virtual, they could just piece together old Biden video for his speeches and press conferences.

          1. If they were smart they’d be doing that now. The demented old piece of shit is even further gone than Mikey Hihn. He just got done fucking the pledge of allegiance the other day.

  8. The Democrats have made it clear they will not allow a peaceful transfer of power if it involves Trump’s re-election. So, Trump saying “we will see” is nothing except him telling the truth. Suderman being a liar finds that to be a sign of incompetence. In Suderman’s world, competence is measured by a person’s willingness to lie in support of the leftist cause. Trump sees that differently.

    1. I really wish those idiots would realize that armed insurrections don’t generally turn out how they want.

      They want Utopia. They’re going to get Pinocet. They have organization and money, and money gets you guns and some training, but way more people with way more guns will shoot to stop Socialism than will be willing to take a bullet fighting for it. They expect everyone to roll over when bloodshed begins because of a lifetime of them getting their way from people wanting to just get on with their lives and not get into constant loud arguments.

      That’s ending.

      1. The Tsar had his issues, Stalin killed 25 million. Be careful what you ask for.

  9. I wonder if people are deliberately mischaracterizing his answer. He’s “inelegant” to be sure (like a lot more than we’d like to admit presidents taking questions and speaking off the cuff) but this is just wishful thinking.

    As always, why do we feel the need to make all of this shit up when there’s so much actually wrong with the administration? Is it because if we only reported what was actually wrong that the Trump presidency would in actuality be rather unremarkable, and that’s counter to the narrative?

    1. yes that’s the point Trump proves we don’t need erudite or credentialed elites and that terrifies them.

      1. and that terrifies them.

        Especially the pseudo-intellectual journalists.

      2. Trump is both erudite and credentialed. Wharton econ degree, rumored 140+ IQ.

  10. I wonder, does Biden’s vow to refuse to concede if he loses also count as a failure of presidential competence?

    1. He never said that. Why do cons have to lie to make their points? He said he’d concede if he loses legitimately. Because of all the mail in voting we won’t know the winner on election night. So him saying he won’t concede on election night is not the same as “refusing to concede.”

      Trump is accusing mail in voting of being fraudulent before anyone has even voted yet! He does it despite him voting by mail himself.

  11. “No, I intend to #resist.”

  12. Except the anti-Trump so-called reporter who asked that question never qualified the situation by saying “if you lose the election”.

    Does Suderman think Trump should step aside (i.e. resign as President) if he wins the election (especially since the Dems and their news media allies will almost certainly insist that Biden won if/when disputed mail-in ballots, lawsuits by Democrats and judicial rulings delay vote tallies and the Electoral College vote) into January).

    If a left wing hack (er reporter) asks Trump if he still beats his wife, would Suderman or Reason write an article claiming that Trump refuses to promise that he’ll stop beating his wife?

    I don’t recall Reason criticizing Hillary Clinton for urging Joe Biden to never concede the election (even if he loses badly).

    1. Clinton only said Biden shouldn’t concede on election night. With mail in voting it’s likely the votes will take days or weeks to count. So she’s right.

      So you all are just going be really obtuse now? The reporter didn’t say “if you lose the election would you commit to a peaceful transfer of power?” Therefore Trump’s incoherent denial makes perfect sense.

      Trump has tried to claim voter fraud before people have started voting. He’s doing everything he can to justify ignoring the results of the election if he loses. Biden has said he’ll accept the results.

      Why do conservatives have to bend the truth and lie so much?

  13. I think the real danger and purpose of these kinds of statements by Trump isn’t so much about what Trump will do as it is what others will do. Trump is signaling to judges and state legislatures that he wants them to steal the election on his behalf if the opportunity presents itself.

    1. Trump is signaling

      Is that the spotlight on the roof of the White House that project a fat orange baby onto the clouds?

      Your constant whining is tedious.

      1. Your constant idiocy is tiring.

        1. Please elaborate on why all my well-reasoned arguments irritate you.

          Jeffy?

    2. More like you guys are signaling that you’re planning another coup attempt if Trump wins again, and are laying the groundwork now.

    3. some grade A projection going on here

  14. Wow I really was hoping Trump supporters would be reasonable, but who was I kidding? Biden has said he’d concede if Trump wins. Trump is the one trying to deligitamize the results before they’ve begun to vote. He sees the polls and is preparing to whip his supporters into a client frenzy. Some people protested in 2016, and even fewer caused trouble. Some of the BS on here is batty. “It’s open season on Trump supporters.” Trump supporting rednecks drove into Portland and started shooting paintballs and bear spray at random. One comment mentions “Biden, Hillary, AOC say they won’t accept the results.” Biden has said he’d accept the results. Hilary ran LAST ELECTION and conceded on election night despite winning the popular vote. AOC isn’t old enough to run and I don’t get why you conservatives are obsessed with her? TRUMP IS THE ONE SAYING HE WONT ACCEPT THE RESULTS. He’s the one claiming fraud before the election even happens. It’s scary as shit that their are so many braindead Trump supporters out there that arent living in reality. “Everyone has TDS.” Jesus Christ! By using that phrase you are essentially saying “any criticism of Trump is illegitamate. He nor any of his supporters should dignify it with a response.” That sounds a lot like something people do for dictators. Not leaders of liberal democracies. Shame on all of you.

    1. *violent frenzy. Not client.

      This is the only website where I will proofread and yet typos still show up.

      1. Fuck off and die, scum. Make the world a better place and make your family proud.

        1. Good to hear from you Sevo. Have a wonderful day!

      2. So he is doing what the Democrats have been doing since November of 2016 (actually since August of 2015)?

        1. Democrats have been undermining faith in ballots since 2016? Then why have republicans and mitch mcconnell shot down every bill that has anything to do with preventing foreign interference in our elections? https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mcconnell-blocks-bills-election-security-heels-mueller-warnings/story?id=64569009

          Why did Trump openly state that he was hobbling the post office to prevent mail in ballots from being counted? Why is the GOP trying to justify direct appointments of electors to bypass the popular vote where Trump loses?

          There is a coup right now. The right has that much right. The coup is the GOP against the constitution. This election is not really Biden v Trump, it is Trump v The Constitution.

          1. The post office has been “hobbled”? Really?

            JFC. Everything is so terrible and unfair. Haha.

        2. What have the Democrats been doing that you’re referring to? Because the Dems have been encouraging people to vote and make it easier for people to vote for years. Where I live we’ve voted by mail for 20 years and haven’t had any problems. If it does take time and resources to make sure people can vote by mail effectively and safely then shouldn’t there be an attempt to make voting by mail safe and reliable. Trump and Repubicans have been screaming “it isn’t safe or reliable they’re trying to steal the election,” since vote by mail was proposed as an option to help during covid. Instead of trying to make it more reliable and safe He’s purposefully sabatoging it and discouraging trust. He’s trying to sow confusion and doubt in the election because he knows there’s a good chance he’ll lose. Republicans have been trying to make it harder to vote and have less people vote for years. Why is encouraging people to vote bad? Why does the GOP want less people voting?

      3. This is the only website where I will proofread and yet typos still show up.

        yeah being an illiterate fucking subhuman shit stain whose parents were first cousins tends to do that.

        1. Not inbred. I know since you’re you’ll project it on others, but I’m not. For whatever reason this website doesn’t work with my phone. My phone is a POS, but every other website doesn’t mess with my typing. For some reason I will type a sentence, look at it, see that it’s correct, but when it posts it has typos and words switched or missing. It’s frustrating.

        2. I know nothing about you, but can tell by your username you suck. The Eagles fucking blow. Every Eagles fan on earth is a lame old boomer. They seriously have the lamest goddamn fans. There’s a reason the Dude says “I fuckin’ hate the Eagles!”

          1. The dude fans are fucking lame old hippie losers.

            1. Funny because that’s one of the most popular movies of all time? It’s not for everyone, but even nearly 25 years after it’s release it’s me popular than ever. Conservatives usually have no sense of humor, so it doesn’t surprise me they wouldn’t like it.

              1. *released it’s more popular than ever

            2. Rather be a fun loving hippie than an upright conservative with no sense of humor who complains about everything. That’s for goddamn sure, and most people would agree with me.

    2. Fuck off, SQRLSY. We get it. You want to have Suderman’s babies.

      1. I thought it was Hihn.

        1. Hihn never had a schtick about exterminating Mormons. SQRLSY went on a couple of weird rants about Mormons in the past, so I assume that KAR pops in for self-support of the coprophagic’s lunacy.

          1. How’s your magic underwear working for ya, Chuck? Will it fend off the possible civil war we may be facing, here, after Der TrumpfenFuhrer refuses to accept defeat? Or are you gonna use your magic underwear to strangle and defeat the opponents of Der TrumpfenFuhrer?

            I am sorry to inform you, your support of Der TrumpfenFuhrer will NOT get you any war spoils from said TrumpfenFuhrer! Look at history!

            So many of us fantasize that our support of those who we think is (or will be) the “winner” will earn us the support of the “winners” and their spoils.
            See “the night of the long knives” at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Long_Knives… Ernst Röhm (head brownshirt, street brawler, for Hitler) thought his support of Hitler would leave him sitting pretty. So sorry, Ernst Röhm, Hitler had another thing coming for you…
            Right here on Reason.com comments, we see the same thing. The “brownshirts” of the commentary (Shitsy, Nards) try to brownshirt their enemies off of the comments board, tell their enemies to commit suicide, and other “street fighting”. They, I suspect, expect payback (war spoils) from “winning” Orange Hitler, just as Ernst Röhm did from “winning” Hitler.
            They and their ilk, too, have another thing coming… Orange Hitler will throw them under the bus, the VERY first instant that Orange Hitler finds it to be convenient to Him… Just as Shitler-Hitler threw Ernst Röhm under the bus!

            1. There it is! Religious intolerance. TDS. Misattribution. It’s all one big mash-up for the budding Marxist shit-eaters of the world.

              Not that a coprophagic’s fascination with underwear is surprising in the least.

              1. And you calling me the “…bat-shit craziest regular poster…” makes you a paragon of tolerance?

                “Let he who is without sin, throw the first stone.” – Jesus
                “How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ while there is still a beam in your own eye? You hypocrite! First take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” – Jesus

                Do you know JACK SQUAT about your own religion? Or do you think that your magic underwear will PROTECT you from your self-righteousness and hypocrisy? What comes around, goes around, unlearned one!

                1. Does your mom know you’re off your meds?

                  1. Wow, what a zinger! Did your mommy help you to write that?

                    1. Not everyone is clever enough to copy and paste the same BOLD italic ALL CAPS bullshit 45 times in every thread like you, Mikey Hihn. You should really consider a career in stand up comedy. Holy fucking Christ you are FUNNY!

                2. And you calling me the “…bat-shit craziest regular poster…” makes you a paragon of tolerance?

                  You clearly don’t understand what tolerance is. There is not a church in the country that wouldn’t throw out someone who behaved in public like you do on these forums. You constantly call attention to yourself. You interrupt discussions with fallacious nonsense, an endless stream of non-sequiturs, straw man arguments, ad hominem attacks. You reinvent history. I tried to ignore you and was subsequently verbally attacked about my underwear.

                  Jesus would have cast the devils out of you and you would have sat down and listened instead of continuing to rant like a lunatic. Sure, I am a self-righteous hypocrite, but only because I lack the power to make you behave like a sane person.

                  1. “You clearly don’t understand what tolerance is.”

                    OK, then, you expect me to be a humble weedhopper, and sit at Your Feet for Lessons, while you called me the “…bat-shit craziest regular poster…” as an example of your admirable tolerance? And perhaps a sterling, shining example of nuanced, fact-driven reasoning?

                    Read and heed! M. Scott Peck, The People of the Lie, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00UC6EF62/reasonmagazinea-20/

                    1. The fact that you haven’t been killed by literally every person who has ever met you is proof of society’s tolerance, Mikey. You are a worthless subhuman piece of vile, disgusting shit that should have had his brains blown out 70 years ago. Be glad that you are suffered by your superiors with the grace and mercy shown to you for the infinitesimal time you have remaining before the senile dementia ravaging your brain finally takes you.

                    2. Don Henley, you should make a date with Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI! Or maybe Shitsy Shitler, or both! Maybe even Rob Misek too! Your lusting after the deaths of your inferiors, and your slobbering for the next Holocaust, would make you GREAT fuckbuddies! Y’all could have a GREAT orgy of mutually self-admiring self-righteous EVIL!

                    3. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

                3. Fuck off, Sqrlsy

              2. “Religious intolerance” is BS. No one is forcing mormons to believe the batshit nonsense they believe. They should be taunted and ridiculed for what they believe. Mormons are bigoted towards non Mormons, so it’s WRONG NOT TO BE BIGOTED toward them. Should we just allow them to bother everyone, then ostracize people who don’t buy into their horseshit, and allow them to breed like rabbits and take over the country? No! I’m not gonna sit back and let them destroy this country. They need to be stopped. I still don’t get why you people defend them? All you’re doing is making yourself look as dumb as them.

                1. “Should we just allow them…….”

                  Goodness, no! Any other beliefs that you just refuse to allow, fascist?

                  1. Should we allow them to force tir beliefs on everyone else? Of course not! They’re the fucking facists! Their beliefs are so fucking stupid they deserve to be ridiculed and shamed for believing such nonsense. Worst of all they try to force it on other people! They are the intolerant ones! They are intolerant of anyone who doesn’t accept their batshit beliefs.

                    Are you LDS? You certainly seem to have the intelligence and disposition of the average Mormon.

            2. MIKEY HIHN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

              WHAT A KNEE SLAPPER!

          2. Are you LDS Chuck?

    3. Re read what Biden said he said he would concede only under certain conditions in other words he wouldn’t if the light is right

      1. Trump is saying he won’t concede because there are only two outcomes in his narcissistic mind. He wins and all the ballots are legit and there was no fraud. Or he loses but only because of fraud so he won’t leave. Considering he’s down in most the polls there is a good chance he legitimately loses. He won’t say he’ll leave if he legit loses. Biden says he would. Trump lies, rambles incoherently, and gaslights so often it’s hard to know if he’s serious or not. He’s said he should get a third term because “Obama spied on him.” He’s offered zero evidence, and the 22nd amendment says he can’t. Maybe if he didn’t lie all the time or appeared so incompetent all the time we’d know if he’s joking, gaslighting, or is just genuinely ignorant of the constitution.

        1. Biden said violence will continue if Trump wins that one hell of a blackmail threat and i think some will vote for Biden justto end the violence of his brown shirt redguard antifa blm pawns but in reality the violence will only get worse

          1. Ron: Biden and the vast majority of Democrats have condemned the violence and called for it to stop. Biden said Trump formented the violence and can’t stop it. Trump is president and Biden’s not, so isn’t the violence happening on Trump’s watch? Where I live Trump and his supporters have encouraged more violence because he thinks it makes Dems look bad, but anyone with a brain can see through his lies. He sent his DHS goons to “defend federal property” but mostly to harass peaceful protestors. All that did is energize more peaceful protestors, but also the knuckleheads who cause trouble. He made the situation in Portland worse because he’s either stupid or thinks it makes Dems look bad. His far right patriot prayer supporters drive their huge trucks down from buttfuck Washington just to cause trouble. The Portland police collude with them and conservative “hero” Andy Ngo(who is a liar who edits his videos to make patriot prayer look like victims and exaggerated his injuries so he could bilk his followers). There’s always been and will always be a small group of knuckleheads causing trouble who should be punished appropriately. However, the majority of protests have been peaceful, but Trump and his followers lie to make Portland look bad. His cult like followers invade our city and cause trouble to try and make us look bad. Trump and his followers have only caused more violence and trouble where I live.

            1. Haha. A dude who wants to kill all rednecks, Mormons, and probably a lot of other people is pretending to be opposed to the violence when he’s not blaming it on people who are nowhere near it. Got it.

              Parody. Treat as such.

              1. I’m only advocating violence in self defense. Mormons are trying to take over our country and force their backwards horseshit beliefs on everyone. What am I supposed to do? Just let them ruin the country and slowly take over? Fuck no! I’m gonna protect my fucking rights to live in a secular society, drink and smoke whatever I fucking please as long as I don’t harm others, not have religious kooks knocking on my door, and keep my tax dollars from subsidizing their pedo con artist worshipping “church.” If you care about liberty you’ll fucking thank me. I’m sure you don’t though. You’re probably one of those moronic evangical conservatives who won’t shut the fuck up about “religious liberty.” And by “religious liberty” you mean not having to pay taxes, not allowing women autonomy over their own bodies, using taxpayer money to indoctrinate your kids at some far right religious school, display your religious symbols on public property, define “protected religions” as only religions similar to yours, and to force your beliefs on everyone. When the far right christian kooks constantly bitch about “religious liberty” that’s what they actually mean.

        2. Or he loses but only because of fraud so he won’t leave

          I have asked quite a few times now, and none of you lunatics will answer the question. How does it happen that Trump ‘won’t leave’? There is no ‘hand over’ of power. The president on Jan 20, 2021 is the guy that got elected. Anyone else can only pretend to be president and has no authority to maintain himself in office.

          Explain how this magical Trumptatorship can ever occur, or admit you all and the Suderman you rode in on are a bunch of fucking idiots.

          1. There’s so many scenarios they can’t all be listed here, but a few likely ones: It could play out in court like in 2000. Say Pennsylvania’s electoral votes determine a winner, but it’s close but not close enough to trigger a recount. Biden officially receives more votes and Penn’s dem governor certifies Biden’s electors. However Trump claims there was fraud and he should be the winmer.(the vote totals are similar to another state, but Trump wins that state so theres no fraud accusations there) The state legislature declares Trump has more votes and tries to certify his electors. Something like this happened in 1876. The fight over which electors get certified goes through the courts and isn’t decided by January 20th. Would the speaker of the house become president? Would Trump act like he won and insist he be sworn in again on the 20th? Would McConnell and the gang support Trump? Would Roberts refuse to swear him in? There’s so many things we don’t know and hopefully we don’t have to find out.

            1. Unfortunately in 1876 the compromise worked out was Hayes would become President, but federal troops would leave the south ending reconstruction and dooming African Americans to nearly a century of Jim Crow and terror.

              1. Nice, you dovetailed into racism for no apparent reason. You score 1000 Proggie points.

                1. Goddamn you cons are stupid. “No apparent reason.” I was pointing out that the 1876 election as a smilar example. What was the biggest consequence of that election? Reconstruction ending. Sorry if voting the closest example our country has had and the biggest consequence of that election. Sorry if it triggered you because you’re a racist.

                  1. *for citing. not “if voting”

            2. There’s so many scenarios they can’t all be listed here

              Honestly?

              The fight over which electors get certified goes through the courts and isn’t decided by January 20th.

              Of all the shit you spewed there, this is the only bit that is remotely relevant. However, SCOTUS would never allow it and would be derelict in their duties if they did. There is precedent from 2000 when they stopped the recounts for exactly that reason.

              Would the speaker of the house become president? Would Trump act like he won and insist he be sworn in again on the 20th? Would McConnell and the gang support Trump? Would Roberts refuse to swear him in?

              Your Trumptator fan-fiction is horrible. Really, it sucks. Don’t try to make a living writing.

              1. We’ve never had a sociopath presidnt who won’t commit to a peaceful transition of power if he loses before. So we really don’t know what could happen. We’ve never had a group of braindead cult like followers of a lying, immoral, senile president who will believe all of his lies and can be whipped into a violent frenzy at the drop of a hat. I don’t know what will happen and neither do you.

                1. I don’t know what will happen and neither do you.

                  Yes I do. If Trump loses, he files in court, the SCOTUS says too bad, Harris takes office on Jan 20. If Trump wins, we get 6 more weeks of rioting, Biden files in court, SCOTUS says too bad, Biden takes off his pants in public and is never seen again.

              2. If the GOP confirms Trump’s nominee before the election over half the country may view the SCOTUS as illegitamate. Conservatives have claimed Brown vs Board and Roe vs Wade are illegitamate. If the GOP packs the court before the election there is good reason to view it as illegitamate. Especially if Trump’s illegitamate appointee doesn’t recuse themself.

                1. Filling a vacancy is not the same as “packing the court” dumbass.

                  1. Leaving the court at 8 for 14 months is the same as “packing it.” It’s manipulating the size of the court for political gain. If the Dems add seats the GOP can only blame themselves for opening the door. They also could of abided(The Dude abides) by their own fucking rules and prevented it, but no… They don’t care how spineless and hypocritical they appear as long as Roe vs Wade, Obamacare, Civil rights laws get overturned. It’s so funny they try to claim to be “originalists” or criticize “activist liberal” justices for “legislating from the bench.” Trump is picking his judges so they’ll overturn specific cases.

            3. Everything is so terrible and unfair.

              1. I’m sorry your life sucks and you feel that way. However, trolling people much smarter than you like me isn’t going to make you feel better. If anything it’ll make you feel worse because you’ll keep being reminded of what a loser you’re compared to me. I suggest you try another strategy. Try seeing a doctor.

                1. You have displayed an ignorance of history and of the political progress that is absolutely breathtaking. Taking a lap for being ‘much smarter’ is a bit premature.

              2. “Everything is so terrible and unfair.”

                When they sentence you (in your next lifetime, since you’re probably a geezer right now?), for 10,000 years in the slammer, for “rape”, for consensual sex, with you as an 18.0001-year-old, and her as a 17.9999 year-old… Or he on he, or she on she, or human on goat, as the case may be… PLUS infinity-time on the “sexual predator” list… I hope and pray that your slogan will be of IMMENSE solace to you!

  15. Wow, faced with a “Have you stopped beating your wife?”-class loaded question (quite obviously you don’t say “yes” to peacefully transferring power “win, lose, or draw” like the reporter asked, since you don’t transfer power if you win, you keep it), a guy who’s never been a particularly polished speaker said something that wasn’t polished.

    In other news, water is wet, the sky is blue, and the media, including Peter Suderman, are a bunch of condescending assholes who mistake verbal fluency for competence.

    1. I think the more apt question would be “Is your wife still beating you?”

    2. Biden was asked the same question. He said he would concede. See how easy that is? Just say you will concede if you lose. Trump has said several times that he will not, and the only way he loses is if the election is rigged. This is intolerable speach from the most powerful man on earth.

      Since when did libertarians become supporters of powerful men stating they will not respect election results? When did libertarians become fans of overt voter suppression? The answer is that we never have, and that if you find yourself rooting for Trump, you are not a libertarian.

      1. Your blatant inability to acknowledge what question Trump was actually asked is noted, De Opprimere Liberorum.

  16. “Win, lose or draw in this election, will you commit here today for a peaceful transferal of power after the election?”

    The answer may have been “inelegant”, but the question was downright idiotic. There cannot be a “draw”. And why would a sitting POTUS commit to a transfer of power in the event that he wins reelection?

    1. Yeah, were I Trump my response would have been

      “Draw?….”

      “Next question.”

    2. A draw is when no one gets an Electoral College majority and it goes to the House of Representatives, who could then pick Jorgensen.

      1. If neither candidate wins a majority of the EC then the election is not yet over, and as you note yourself progresses to resolution in the HoR. There is no “draw” in a presidential election.

  17. So Biden and his son are corrupt and got millions in foreign payments. But the media and reason want to focus on dumb questions like this.

    1. Nothing about Hunter Biden’s corruption here.

      Nothing about the revised CDC estimates of COVID’s IFR (almost two weeks old, no less.)

      This place is Pravda with buttsecks.

      1. Following the Serbia Kosovo agreement, Bahrain joining the Abraham Accords, and Trump’s two Nobel nominations, the only American foreign policy mentions here was an article here calling Trump a warmonger for being rude to Iran, and another that said the Germans didn’t like him.
        That’s it.

        1. http://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1309193794391339008?s=19

          What to call the lake that is in Kosovo and Serbia has been a serious sticking point despite the U.S. forged compromise to launch a feasibility study to create jobs and more energy for the region….so both sides have agreed to a new name: Lake Trump.

  18. The article wasn’t totally idiotic, but it was a failure of intelligence.

    1. failure of intelligence

      Just look at the commenters who are in agreement that this is an issue. Bat shit crazy and/or Marxist sympathizers.

      1. Look of the cognitive dissonance of Trump supporters. Anyone who disagrees with you has TDS or is a marxist. Yep that’s it! Over half the country are marxists!

        It must be lonely as hell for you thinking it’s still the cold war. Any criticism of our conservative president is tantamount to treason!

        Goddamm you nutcases would crack me up if Trump wasnt able to whip y’all into a violent frenzy so fast.

  19. I assume we’re asking Trump these questions because we already have the answer as to how the Democrats will treat their loss?

    1. You already know the answer, but it’s because the leftist media doesn’t want to associate the Democrat candidate with losing. The kind of questions they’ll ask of the Democrat isn’t “will you concede the election if you lose?”, but instead “what will you do if Trump refuses to concede when he loses?”

    2. Biden would concede graciously. Harris would smirk and wink to the mostly peaceful protestors to let them know she’s got the bail fund ready to go, if they’re unfortunate enough to live in a jurisdiction where the DA still presses charges against liberals.

  20. There is, of course, a third and more likely explanation: Trump saw himself being handed yet another opportunity to troll the media, and Peter took the bait.

    1. I think it’s a valid question to ask– and criticize (Trump’s response). But we’re about to head into… what I suspect to be the most chaotic election in my lifetime. A national pandemic that has resulted in continued aggressive lockdowns at the state and local level (which contradict the scientific evidence), a (probably) forced national mail-in ballot scheme which has never been tried (and to be contrasted with an absentee ballot system), continued pressing of russian conspiracy theories, a Democratic party whose leadership has expressly stated they won’t accept the results of the election, violent protest over racial divisions which are being actively stoked and encouraged by a national media, an internet tech sector profile where the main stakeholders and corporations in control are (probably) working against the re-election of the current president… I could go on.

      I don’t know what any of the answers are, but it doesn’t look pretty from where I stand.

      1. I think it’s a valid question to ask

        I don’t. Where is the validity in asking a sitting POTUS if he will commit to a transfer of power in the event that he wins reelection, or if there’s a “draw” (which can’t even happen)?

        1. Under normal circumstances, it’s a strange question to ask. No one asked Bill Clinton if he would accept the results in 1996…

          However, it’s a sign of the times. No one trusts institutions any more. So it’s a symptom of that.

          1. How is that an answer to my question?

            1. Sorry, I didn’t realize I was being deposed. My point was simply that one might argue that we’re living in times where, since no one trusts institutions any more, maybe it seems like it might be a valid question. I mean, fuck, the Democrats never accepted the 2016 results– there was what appeared to be an honest-to-god deep state coup executed against Donald Trump– with bizarre groups like the Transition Integrity Project poised to do it all over again in 2020… so yeah, when the very group that didn’t accept the results in 2016 is faced with another election, it seems likely that they’d wonder if the opposition will accept the results.

              Shorter: Projection

              1. Sorry, I didn’t realize I was being deposed.

                You’re not. You’re engaging in what I assumed to be a good-faith discussion of the topic at hand. You made a claim about the reasonableness of the question that was asked. I asked you, given my points about that question, how it was reasonable. You responded by completely ignoring my points.

                My point was simply that one might argue that we’re living in times where, since no one trusts institutions any more, maybe it seems like it might be a valid question.

                And I ask again (though given your snarky response above I have little faith that you will make any honest attempt at an answer) how it is that distrust in institutions makes reasonable a question about a POTUS relinquishing the office in the event that he either wins reelection, or something that cannot even happen (a “draw”), and would not mean that he should vacate the office even if it did?

                1. I guess if we were to slavishly focus on the ‘draw’ part of the question, sure, there’s no validity in that. I’m giving the reporter the benefit of the doubt that he’s just using it idiomatically.

                  It’s also likely that he’s looking at the ‘popular vote’ equation and has decided that in a statistically insignificant difference between vote totals– he’d consider that a ‘draw’. And in case you didn’t get the memo, a lot of people doing journalisming neither understand nor like the Electoral College.

                  So, once I remove the ‘draw’ part of the equation, then I feel I answered your question pretty well. You can feel free to disagree– if… that’s even what we have here. I’m not sure if I can be more clear. When the stage has been deliberately set to muddy the election picture by introducing fraud-laden procedures and circumstances, it’s probably a question that people are wondering. I have no insight into the inner workings of Journalism Man’s inner thoughts. I’m just looking at the question in a vacuum.

                  I’m not making any statements as to how awesome a question is, I’m merely saying that given the totality of the circustances, I’m not surprised people will ask it.

                  I have responded to your points, in detail, twice now.

                  1. So, once I remove the ‘draw’ part of the equation, then I feel I answered your question pretty well.

                    Sure…assuming you also just completely ignoring the “win” part.

                    So your argument now is that the question that actually was asked is “reasonable”, but only if one explains away 1/3 of it and completely ignores another 1/3. In other words, had the question been a substantially different one than what was actually asked.

                    And in case you didn’t get the memo

                    Relying on snot-nosed snark of the sort one would expect from a high school kid doesn’t make your argument more compelling than does repeatedly ignoring the valid points being made.

                    1. Paul isn’t one of the crazy people here. His absolute refusal to address your really simple question is baffling.

                      I’m giving the reporter the benefit of the doubt that he’s just using it idiomatically.

                      I’ve only ever heard “win, lose or draw” used literally, usually about sportsmanship. I can’t even imagine what the supposed idiom is supposed to mean.

                    2. I can’t even imagine what the supposed idiom is supposed to mean.

                      Neither can the person who asked it. It is a perfect example of meaningless politicized language meant to obfuscate rather than communicate.

                      Politics and the English language should be required reading before being allowed to write for Reason or even to post in the comments.

            2. And by the by, the media was asking Trump in 2015 if he’d accept the results before we were in such interesting times. From where I stand, it’s just the media being the media.

              1. And by the by, the media was asking Trump in 2015 if he’d accept the results before we were in such interesting times.

                Except that wasn’t the question that was asked in this case.

                1. That wasn’t meant to be an answer to your question. That was a followup thought. What the fucking fuck is wrong with you?

                  1. That wasn’t meant to be an answer to your question. That was a followup thought. What the fucking fuck is wrong with you?

                    I wasn’t referring to my question, nor was there any reason for you to so positively conclude that I was. I was referring to the one the reporter asked Trump. Did that not even occur to you before spouting that childish nonsense above?

                    1. you are either OCD or a bot….
                      what is your problem with this aspect of one persons answer??
                      yikes… just let it lie
                      unless you need to keep the convo going to get money per post…?

                    2. i would like to correct my comment above.. i do not think you are a bot, having read your comments further down this board. you did seem too hung up on a silly bit of language that makes you look a bit on the spectrum… but then, arent we all?

                  2. What the fuck is wrong with you. Why are you writing Ken Shultz word salads instead of addressing this dude’s simple question?

                  3. Stupid is as stupid does.

      2. We are at war.
        But only one side is fighting to this point.

        1. Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI is lusting after a WAR to impose the Trumptatorshit! What a surpise!

          Just to fully inform readers here, especially NEW readers…

          Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI is a Holocaust denier just like Rob Misek! (Another evil asshole who posts here). Two peas in a pod, Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI and Rob Misek are!

          Does Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI deny what the NAZIs did? As Misek does? Perhaps not, I do not know HOW far Nadless’s evil goes! It might strut in front of a mirror wearing NAZI gear for all I know!

          What I DO know is that Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI ignores the roots of NAZI, and other, evil, mass-murdering authoritarianism! Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI, like Hitler and the NAZIs and other evil authoritarians, starts out by assuming that Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI knows whose life is worthy, and whose is not! Then Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI moves on to sterilization and killing! It all starts out by denying the value of other human lives! And if Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI (and fellow NAZIs) can’t or won’t see and acknowledge that, Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI is a deluded and EVIL Holocaust denier, same as Rob Misek!

          Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI and and its fuckbuddy, Shitsy Shitler, also run around telling people to commit suicide! Even vaguely people don’t say things like that! Nor even THOUGHT about saying that to people! Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI is FUBAR (Fucked Up Beyond Reapir). But if YOU, Dear Reader, are much like Nadless Nardzi the Nasty NAZI , then take stock of your SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP SOUL, Evil One Junior! Start by reading this: M. Scott Peck, the Hope for Healing Human Evil, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/

          1. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

            1. So having no respect for the value of the lives of our fellow humans does NOT, in any way, lead to Holocausts? What planet did you say you were from? Where did you go to stupid-school?

              1. You make perfect sense but you knew that already.

                1. THANK YOU! Some honesty and sanity around here is refreshing!

                  1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

  21. “Trump Says ‘We’re Going to Have To See What Happens'”

    And he’s absolutely right. There might be a peaceful transfer of power, if both sides accept the results of the election. There might be another 2016, where the vote is close, and one party decides the Russians/Chinese/Iranians/ Martians interfered with the election and refuses to accept it, and this time decides to go outside legal means to overturn it. BLM/Antifa might decide that, no matter who wins, they’ll continue to be violent.

  22. Vulturing his response so you could be first to claim he concedes to Sleepy Joe?

  23. It’s worth noting that the question didn’t say “Will you commit to a peaceful transfer of power IF YOU LOSE?”, but rather “AFTER THE ELECTION”. If Trump had said Yes, people would be crowing about how they’d tricked him into agreeing to leave office even if he wins.

    1. That is a ridiculous take.

  24. Did y’all see the following news? L.P. presidential nominee Jo Jorgensen was asked if she’d concede, and NOT take the office of the POTUS, if she lost the election. Her response?

    “Well, I can’t see that happening! No way, no how! Because EVERYONE knows that I’m a stable genius! For the good of the nation, I must reserve my options to declare martial law, and a Big, Beautiful, Jorgeneous Jorgentatorship!”

    1. Trump wasn’t asked what he’d do if he lost the election. He was asked if he’d give up power no matter what the election outcome.

      Someone more verbally fluent would have answered, shortly and simply, and obviously, “Hell, no, I’m not going to transfer power ‘win, lose, or draw’. If I win, I’m staying in office. What kind of idiot question was that?”

      Trump doesn’t have that skill. It’s one of his many, many defects. But only a disingenuous asshole would pretend he was asked what he’d do if he lost.

      1. Time after time, Trump has had opportunities to give a clear answer to this issue or question, and has made noises along the lines of, “If I lose, it MUST have been because of fraud!” This does NOT bode well for him accepting his loss!

        https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/trump-casts-doubt-2020-election-integrity-421280

        The 9 most notable comments Trump has made about accepting the election results
        The president has repeatedly cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election.

  25. Where is Biden in all this? The man appears to be confined to a basement somewhere. I know what the polls say. I fully believe Biden’s base is stupid enough to vote for him despite the fact he is a phantom right now. But it’s hard to imagine much enthusiasm for the guy with his current no-show status. This has to be calculated. If Biden cannot run a campaign, can be really run a country?

    1. Bide is probably filming Take 20 (after coughing or misreading the teleprompter the first 19 attempts) on yet another television ad (extolling his virtues and Trump’s evils) to be shown here in Pittsburgh (and other swing state media markets) dozens/hundreds of times daily.

    2. its not stupidity for the base of either party to vote for their party in a time when each is so diametrically opposed to the other. even if you cant stand your party’s leader it is not logical to vote for the things that you despise and fear. also the deep state – the bureaucracy – really runs the show or at least is most of the show, AND there are VP’s etc.etc. I would not expect republicans to vote for the policies of the dem or visa versa. it doesnt make sense to me to do so… never trumpers not withstanding .

  26. People act like the White House is some sort of magic building, and thus if Trump refuses to leave he will automatically become Super Dictator. I wonder if any of these pants-wetters have ever cracked a history book, for instance looking at the details of how Hitler came to power. He didn’t just strut into the building, say a magic word, and become dictator.

    1. Hitler came to power by scapegoating Jews. Der TrumpfenFuhrer is now lusting after yet more dictatorial powers by scapegoating so-called illegal sub-humans, and our international trade partners, especially the Chinese. Gullible voters fall for the Big Lie, which is, if something is bad (or even less than perfect), it must be THEIR fault, those people over THERE! It is NEVER our fault! Not us, we are perfect! We can ALL be stable geniuses, just like The Donald!

      1. Hitler came to power by scapegoating the wealthy and promising to take their wealth and use it to pay for free healthcare/retirement/education/good jobs for average Germans.

        The Democratic party ideology is in large parts identical to the NSDAP party platform. Democrats and the NSDAP even share the racism: with Hitler, it was rich Jews oppressing poor Germans, with Democrats it’s rich white males oppressing poor brown people.

        And you, SQRLSY One, have fully bought into that ideology. A century ago, you’d have been a brownshirt.

        1. Logic and well-reasoned arguments can only persuade minds that are not already closed by prejudice.

          1. And Snarky Pig’s mind is closed off to ANY criticism, because Magic Underwear! Magic Underwear makes Snarky Pig PERFECT!

            1. Snarky Pig’s mind is closed off to ANY criticism

              You would have to actually make a sound critical argument before I could demonstrate an open mind, which I assure you, I have.

              NOYB2 expounded critically on your characterization of Hitler’s rise to power, but you failed to address that. Who is demonstrating a closed mind?

              1. NOYB2 is an ideologically blinded, unreasoning, fossilized mind, and isn’t worth arguing with.

                https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-jews-are-only-in-it-for-themselves-stick-together-2020-9

                Now Trump is trying to smear Jews! Does THAT remind you of anyone in particular?

                You DO know that your magic underwear is NOT going to protect you from “what comes around, goes around”, I hope?

                1. NOYB2 made an excellent argument. Which you continue to ignore.

                  Now Trump is trying to smear Jews!

                  If you are going to imply that anyone should believe anything that follows the statement, President Donald Trump reportedly suggested from a demonstrably biased and misnamed news source (I have never seen anything business related under that byline), you are not engaged in critical thinking. I have given you multiple opportunities in this thread to change my mind that you are a raving man-child seriously in need of a good spanking, but you continue to disappoint.

                  1. Magic Underwear Man is an ideologically blinded, unreasoning, fossilized mind, and isn’t worth arguing with.

                    1. Fallacy some more for us, SQRLSY. You clearly have no ability to engage in reasonable argument. Maybe find a new place to vomit your insanity that isn’t called Reason?

                      I would suggest a coprophagia forum on some therapy website. Definitely stay away from Reddit.

                    2. In the minds of Trumpistas, everything ANY Democrat or Libertarian says, MUST be a lie! There is NO sense reasoning with them! Only if it is Rash Limburger, Ann Coulter, Attila the Hun, Caligula, or Nero… AND then only if they like Trump! … Only THEN will the source be trusted!

                      You can NOT reason with a Trumpista!

                    3. Fuck off, Sqrlsy

                    4. You can NOT reason with a Trumpista!

                      I am definitively not a fan of Trump and you can’t reason with me, so really what you are saying is that you can’t reason with anyone. I agree. You don’t even try. Kindly go spew your nonsense elsewhere.

      2. Hitler came to power because of a lot of reasons. One of the biggest was the mobs of communists who were terrorizing the country. The biggest thing that drove Germans who were not hard core Nazi supporters to support the Nazis was fear of the communists and the thought that the fascists were the only alternative to them.

        So if you really want a Hitler, let Antifa keep it up and become a real threat.

        Beyond that, you really can’t overstate how fucking ignorant you have to be to draw any parallels between Trump and Hitler. Anyone who makes that comparison seriously would be better advised to just save time and say “I am a complete dumb fuck who knows nothing about Hitler or Trump.” Really, you can’t get more retarded than that. It is so self evidently retarded, it is unworthy of rebuttal.

        1. https://www.salon.com/2020/09/21/trumps-eugenics-obsession-he-thinks-he-has-good-german-genes-because-hes-a-fascist/

          Trump’s eugenics obsession: He thinks he has “good German genes,” because he’s a fascist
          Trump’s “racehorse theory” of genetics is profoundly racist — it’s also why he thinks he’s a natural-born genius

          1. Trump has no eugenics obsession. The only person I know in modern life who does died last week. Ginsburg supported abortion because she said in so many words “it is necessary to keep undesirable births from happening”.

            Only a complete dumb fuck like you could think Trump saying he has “good German genes” makes him comparable to Hitler. It is difficult to say what is sadder; that you think that or that you have no idea how fucking stupid thinking it makes you look.

            You are just a fucking ignorant moron.

            1. Trump’s baselessly inflated, false sense of superiority is totally harmless, then? Can NEVER lead to some serious mistakes, some serious over-reaches? Are you ready to inject bleach to fend of Covid?

              Quotes from The Donald in the “Anti Gravity” column in August 2017 “Scientific American” magazine follow:
              “I have great genes and all that stuff, which I’m a believer in”,
              “God helped me by giving me a certain brain”,
              “I have a very, very high aptitude”,
              “Maybe it’s just something you have. You know, you have the winning gene.”
              Google the quotes, they are real…

              chemjeff radical individualist
              September.17.2019 at 8:40 pm
              https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/04/17-issues-that-donald-trump-knows-better-than-anyone-else-according-to-donald-trump/
              Trump:
              “I know more about renewables than any human being on Earth.”
              “I understand social media. I understand the power of Twitter. I understand the power of Facebook maybe better than almost anybody, based on my results, right?”
              “Nobody knows more about debt. I’m like the king. I love debt.”
              “I understand money better than anybody.”
              “I think nobody knows the system better than I do.”
              “I know more about contributions than anybody.”
              “Nobody knows more about trade than me.”
              “Nobody knows jobs like I do! ”
              “Nobody in the history of this country has ever known so much about infrastructure as Donald Trump.”
              “There’s nobody bigger or better at the military than I am.”
              “I know more about ISIS [the Islamic State militant group] than the generals do. Believe me.”
              “There is nobody who understands the horror of nuclear more than me.”
              “Because nobody knows the system better than me. I know the H1B. I know the H2B. Nobody knows it better than me.”

              1. SQRLSY quoting chemjeff – scientists everywhere are astonished that the feedback loop of all that self-absorption is not enough to collapse into a black hole and devour the internet.

            2. German are one of the most genetically diverse groups in Europe. So how is saying that’s a good thing akin to promoting racial purity? Progressives are astonishingly stupid.

              1. Trump’s baselessly inflated, false sense of superiority is totally harmless, then? Can NEVER lead to some serious mistakes, some serious over-reaches? Are you ready to inject bleach to fend of Covid?

                1. If Trump was 100% Scotch-Irish like a stereotypical southern Republican, the media elite would be calling him an inbred hillbilly. But he’s not, he’s German, which is pretty much the only possibility left. (practically every white person in the US has ancestors from either the British isles or Germany) German-Americans were less clannish when selecting mates than, say, the Irish or Italians. Even progressives think that is a good thing, that’s why the inbred southern hick stereotype exists (Scotch-Irish) But not when Trump implies it’s a good thing. That is TDS in a nutshell

                  1. https://www.genetics.org/content/161/1/269

                    Larger Genetic Differences Within Africans Than Between Africans and Eurasians

                    Africans have the MOST genetic diversity! If genetic diversity is SUCH a good thing, then WHY aren’t we hearing Trump and all of His Loyal Right-Wing nut jobs calling for MORE political power for Blacks in the USA?

                  2. No to Trump supporting Blacks! Instead, what we have is this (And I doubt that He wants to bring in BLACKS that have moved to Norway!):

                    https://www.vox.com/2018/1/11/16880750/trump-immigrants-shithole-countries-norway

                    Trump wants fewer immigrants from “shithole countries” and more from places like Norway
                    He reportedly made the racist remarks during a meeting Thursday.

        2. “One of the biggest was the mobs of communists who were terrorizing the country.”

          Here’s John, unironically repeating Nazi propaganda. It is impossible to satirize you guys; you are doing such a fine job already.

          1. You do know that Marx and Engels were German, right? Or is that propaganda as well?

            It is impossible to satirize you guys; you are doing such a fine job already.

            1. Then collectively, Germans are to be blamed for Marxism?

              Magic Underwear Man, are YOU and your fellow Mormons then responsible for these below murderous bastards?

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron#:~:text=Ervil%20Morrell%20LeBaron%20(February%2022,atonement%20to%20justify%20the%20murders.

              Ervil Morrell LeBaron (February 22, 1925 – August 15, 1981) was the leader of a polygamous Mormon fundamentalist group who ordered the killings of many of his opponents, using the religious doctrine of blood atonement to justify the murders. He was sentenced to life in prison for orchestrating the murder of an opponent, and died there in 1981.

              He had at least 13 wives in a plural marriage, several of whom he married while they were still underage, and several of whom were involved in the murders.

              1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

                1. I have to ‘fess, that one was pretty funny!

              2. Then collectively, Germans are to be blamed for Marxism?

                You simply refuse to engage in the least bit of critical thinking. I never even implied a collective blame for anything, making your comment the set up for a straw man argument.

                Ignoring that fallacy for a moment, DoL said that the existence of mobs of communists in Germany was Nazi propaganda without presenting any supporting argument, yet, as I previously pointed out, Marx and Engels were both German and wrote their manifestos in German. Who was their target audience? A logical argument is that their audience was German. Now, if anyone can show evidence that the communist movement had died out in the demoralized post-WWI Germany when it had been founded in Germany and had just caused mobs of people to rise up in revolution in the countries to the east of Germany, please demonstrate. Otherwise, the claim of mobs of communists in Germany as Hitler was rising to power is not just probable, but likely, in response to communism’s successes to the east.

                Mormons then responsible for these below murderous bastards?

                This example is blatantly fallacious. LeBaron was not even a member of the LDS church. You call him a fundamentalist, but he was clearly a member of a separatist sect as the LDS church repudiated plural marriage in 1890 as a condition of Utah statehood and again in 1904 when polygamy became an official cause for excommunication. If your argument had internal logic, then Martin Luther and his fellow Protestants would have to share responsibility for the Spanish Inquisition of the Catholic church from which they split, a claim I have never seen made anywhere.

                That is how critical thinking and logical argument works. No fallacies. No attacks. No whatever the rest of your ranting about my underwear is.

                1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

                  From there:

                  General Franz Halder stated in an affidavit that Hermann Göring had boasted about setting the fire: “On the occasion of a lunch on the Führer’s birthday in 1943, the people around the Führer turned the conversation to the Reichstag building and its artistic value. I heard with my own ears how Göring broke into the conversation and shouted: ‘The only one who really knows about the Reichstag building is I, for I set fire to it.’ And saying this he slapped his thigh”.

                  NAZIs set the fire in order to blame it on commies! Are you gonna cheer your “Dear Leader” when it gets a flunky to set fire to the Capitol, then blame it on Antifa? Hitler’s flunkies had to do this to save Germany, now Orange Hitler has to do similar?

                  Or are you like Rob Misek, and deny history and the Holocaust?

                  1. an arson attack on the Reichstag building, home of the German parliament in Berlin, on Monday 27 February 1933, precisely four weeks after Adolf Hitler was sworn in as Chancellor of Germany.

                    Explain to me how a fire set 4 weeks after Hitler was elected helped bring him to power.

                    Or did you already forget what we were talking about?

                    1. De Oppresso Liber
                      September.24.2020 at 5:49 pm
                      “One of the biggest was the mobs of communists who were terrorizing the country.”

                      Here’s John, unironically repeating Nazi propaganda.

                      End import.

                      Originally, the point was that the NAZIs exaggerated the commie threat! They put on a FALSE FLAG OPERATION to blame the commies with, and DEEPEN the power of Hitler! Dense one!

                    2. a FALSE FLAG OPERATION to blame the commies with, and DEEPEN the power of Hitler! Dense one!

                      Yes, I am dense. I should have known you would immediately shift those goalposts.

                      Hitler came to power because of a lot of reasons. One of the biggest was the mobs of communists who were terrorizing the country.

                      DoL conveniently omitted the part where John distinctly wrote ‘came to power’ and you conveniently continue to ignore it, so that your facts fit the argument you prematurely made.

                      Whatever. Nowhere did I ever hint that the Nazis were not monsters. But there were mobs of communists in post WWI Germany, just like today, and their operations in the streets did help totalitarians come into power, just like today. I don’t have to engage in fallacy or rearrange historical events to make my arguments sound.

                      Carry on, dingleberry.

                    3. Hitler was Chancellor (still beholden to democratic norms) until after the Reichstag fire, which he falsely blamed on the commies, and used as an excuse to turn himself in a Fuhrer (dictator). Were it not for Hitler and the NAZIs blatantly LYING, and blaming commies for what THEY did, Hitler would have had a MUCH harder time turning himself into a dictator! So CLEARLY, De Oppreso Liber was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT that “blame the commies” routine was vastly exaggerated propaganda, used to justify power-grabbing!

                      And today, Der TrumpfenFuher sets the USA on metaphorical fire (instead of literal fire to the Reichstag, but who knows WHAT Trumpster-dumpster-fire that The Donald will set next), by stating that any election lost by Him, will obviously HAVE to have been a STOLEN election!

                      And right-wing nut jobs deny that Hitler exaggerated the commie threat, in order to grab power! You history denier you!

                    4. De Oppreso Liber was ABSOLUTELY CORRECT that “blame the commies” routine was vastly exaggerated propaganda, used to justify power-grabbing!

                      PLUNK! Set up that next straw man! Since your fire story actually proves there were commies, now you want to change what DoL actually said to ‘vastly exaggerated propaganda’. But there were commies. That wasn’t propaganda. No matter how much you move the goalposts, what John said was historically accurate.

                      If and when the feds light the courthouse on fire, you might even have a point. Until then, you just come off as a Marxist sympathizer, because they have most definitely lit fires.

                    5. Blutmai (Bloody May) refers to several days of rioting by Communist Party of Germany (KPD) supporters in early May 1929 that led to violence between the communist demonstrators and members of the Berlin Police… with police using firearms against mostly unarmed civilians.

                      So, DoL is a lying sack of shit and John was right, ergo, I was right and you were wrong.

                      I included the bit about ‘mostly unarmed’ to show that even the commie apologists who muck up history on Wikipedia won’t deny the Marxists were rioting. ‘Mostly unarmed’ is even more dishonest than ‘mostly peaceful’. Just because your enemy has fewer guns than you doesn’t make them in any sense ‘unarmed’.

                2. “Marx and Engels were both German and wrote their manifestos in German. Who was their target audience? A logical argument is that their audience was German.”

                  Ervil Morrell LeBaron was a self-declared Mormon; this is a FACT. Ervil Morrell LeBaron and his murderous acolytes wrote their manifestos in blood shed by power-mad self-righteousness. A logical argument is that their audience was Mormon.”

                  I guess then it flows logically that our political leadership must take strong, emergency, authoritarian measures against Mormons? Even deception is OK?

                  SOME Ubermenschen were above mere pedestrian ideas of right and wrong, because they were protected by their swastikas and the ideology that stood behind their swastikas! I am starting to think, in SOME cases at least, magic underwear can serve a similar function, for SOME modern-day Ubermenschen!

                  1. I already argued against your first conclusion and you simply ignored it.

                    “If your argument had internal logic, then Martin Luther and his fellow Protestants would have to share responsibility for the Spanish Inquisition of the Catholic church from which they split, a claim I have never seen made anywhere.”

                    Ervil Morrell LeBaron was a self-declared Mormon; this is a FACT.

                    WTF does that have to do with anything? If I self-declare myself King of Pflugerville, TX, does that mean I am actually a king? Whatever church he belonged to may have been based on LDS doctrine, but was not the LDS church. We know this because he was never excommunicated.

                    Your second conclusion is completely spurious because it relies on the first.

                    Your fascination with my underwear continues to baffle me.

                    1. YOU were the one obliquely insinuating that Hitler’s power grabs were justified by the commie threat! And that, partly because Germans are uniquely susceptible to Marxism! How does it feel, when what was good for the goose-step, is now good for the gander-step?

                    2. YOU were the one obliquely insinuating that Hitler’s power grabs were justified by the commie threat!

                      Obliquely insinuating? That is a straw man. I was directly implying that DoL was full of shit that ‘mobs of commies’ prior to Hitler’s rise were propaganda. To assume the continued presence of communists in post WWI Germany, the birthplace of communism, in the aftermath of the Soviet revolution is not fallacious. The notion that I was somehow justifying Hitler’s power grab is a second straw man tacked on to the first.

                      But, then again, anyone not arguing irrationally would have understood that from the get go and would never assume I was in support of Hitler’s actions barring some evidence.

                    3. “I was directly implying that DoL was full of shit that ‘mobs of commies’ prior to Hitler’s rise were propaganda.”

                      DoL was absolutely correct, as I have shown by the history of the Reichstag fire! See my post above. Democratic Chancellor Hitler is far less “risen to power” than Dictator Hitler! Lying about one’s opponents is EVIL! Especially when one uses said lies to power-grab with! The NAZIs lied about the Reichstag fire, to grab power, and now Der TrumpfenFuhrer LIES when He says, essentially, “Any election that defeats ME, MUST have been STOLEN!” But right-wing nut-jobs can NOT see, or, more accurately, willfully REFUSE to see!

                    4. DoL was absolutely correct, as I have shown by the history of the Reichstag fire!

                      No, you haven’t. Quite the contrary, it proves there were commies. You don’t blame a political opponent that doesn’t exist for a fire. You blame an actual opponent who commands influence that you need to discredit.

                      And why do you keep trying to convince me that Nazis were bad. I have agreed multiple times that Nazis are bad. The enemies of the Nazis can be our enemies too, as commies have been proving since the idea was birthed in Germany.

                      I am not going to bite on your Trumptator fan-fiction. It is obvious to everyone except the TDS crowd that Trump has no means to hold power if he loses the election.

                      I understand that logic is hard for you. Reach for it, man…

                    5. “It is obvious to everyone except the TDS crowd that Trump has no means to hold power if he loses the election.”

                      Then WHY is Trump telling all these lies? And you think that endless crowds of stirred-up Trumpistas are NOT capable of stirring up violent troubles? How is THAT for a means of holding power, is this forbidden by any laws of physics, or some such, that you know of? Revolution by stirred-up, lied-to Trumpistas, is this somehow impossible? Many Germans thought that Hitler would be restrained by “the system” as well, you know!

                      Time after time, Trump has had opportunities to give a clear answer to this issue or question, and has made noises along the lines of, “If I lose, it MUST have been because of fraud!” This does NOT bode well for him accepting his loss!

                      https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/24/trump-casts-doubt-2020-election-integrity-421280

                      The 9 most notable comments Trump has made about accepting the election results
                      The president has repeatedly cast doubt on the integrity of the 2020 election.

                    6. We DO have recent historical evidence, even here in the USA, that lied-to, whipped-up idiots will resort to violence! Including right-wing nut jobs!

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

                      Trump’s monstrously HUGE ego IS capable of stirring up such troubles, just to protect His Precious Ego! Democratic norms? Peaceful transitions of power? Burn them DOWN to protect My Precious Ego, says our own home-grown Trumpster-Dumpster-fire!

                    7. Then WHY is Trump telling all these lies?

                      This is The Curious Tale of the Troll Who Got Trolled…

                      you think that endless crowds of stirred-up Trumpistas are NOT capable of stirring up violent troubles?

                      Yes. Again, your Trumptator fan-fiction is horrible.

                      is this forbidden by any laws of physics, or some such, that you know of?

                      No, but it is forbidden by the laws of the individual states and federal law. Trump supporters really are ‘law and order’ types. Rhetoric aside, insurrection is unlikely.

                      Many Germans thought that Hitler would be restrained by “the system” as well, you know!

                      Hitler did not come to power under the United States Constitution.

                      This does NOT bode well for him accepting his loss!

                      The Executive branch does need him to accept a loss. If he does lose, on Jan 20, 2021, he will no longer be president and someone else will. Trump can and would be arrested by the Secret Service for failure to vacate the office.

                      At the end of the day, as the Constitution intended, Trump has no say in the results of the election. The president, constrained as he is by the Constitution, is not going to convince SCOTUS to uphold his authority.

                      Why are you so frightened?

                    8. THIS is why I am so frightened!

                      We DO have recent historical evidence, even here in the USA, that lied-to, whipped-up idiots will resort to violence! Including right-wing nut jobs!

                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

                      Trump’s monstrously HUGE ego IS capable of stirring up such troubles, just to protect His Precious Ego! Democratic norms? Peaceful transitions of power? Burn them DOWN to protect My Precious Ego, says our own home-grown Trumpster-Dumpster-fire!

    2. I clearly remember after the 2000 election that there were some saying on HuffPo or another prog forum the Bill Clinton should have been made president for life.

    3. People act like the White House is some sort of magic building

      People are acting like the Secret Service is not an actual police force that would arrest someone stupid enough not to vacate the building on Jan 20th after losing the election. They report to the Executive branch, not an individual.

      1. Indeed. Trump is one fucking guy, and an old one at that. He couldn’t take over a hot dog kiosk without some help. The only way this thing turns out the way these drama queens are hyperventilating would be if Biden won but the military/law enforcement/intel apparatus backed a Trump coup. I call that highly unlikely.

      2. ironicly Al gore refused to leave for another 30 days and would not consult with the incoming staff. thus Bush then made an executive order that all administrations leaving office would immediately start leaving and consult with the incoming administration.

  27. Yes, Trump is not a skilled or competent politician. He doesn’t give the kind of slick propagandistic answers people like Hillary give.

    In part, that’s why he got elected.

    1. Yep, and this is classic Trump fucking with the press and prog elite. Like when he told the NC rally about going to check if their mail in ballots were received by going to vote in person and they took it as “vote twice”. If they haven’t learned by now they are being trolled, it’s on them…

      1. If you haven’t figured out that the Prog elite are dumb as posts and about the easiest people to manipulate on earth by now, it is on you. As annoying and dishonest someone like Suderman can be, more than anything he is just stupid. These people have been told their entire lives how smart they are but in reality they are dumb as posts all of them.

      2. He may be trolling but I don’t think it’s funny.

          1. It’s really not funny.

            The left is outright telling us that they will take totalitarian power or burn it all down.
            Between lockdowns and gov endorsed riots, they are waging war against the rest of us.

            And they frame “racism” as a public health issue, a virus for which their is no vaccine.
            That is the road to gulags and death camps.

            Don’t let normality bias blind you to how close we are here.
            None of the above is figurative or hyperbole. It is literally the situation we are in. This country and We The People have never faced a greater threat than we do at this moment.

            1. “That is the road to gulags and death camps.”

              Hey Nadless Nardzi the NAZI… YOU are showing us the way to gulags and death camps!!! By disrespecting ALL human life that does NOT suck YOUR butt, and that of Der TrumpfenFuhrer!

              Hey Nadless Nardzi the NAZI… You are a Holocaust denier just like Rob Misek! Two peas in a pod, you and Rob Misek are!
              Do you deny what the NAZIs did? Perhaps not, I do not know HOW far your evil goes! You strut in front of a mirror wearing NAZI gear for all I know!

              What I DO know is that you ignore the roots of NAZI, and other, evil, mass-murdering authoritarianism! You, like Hitler and the NAZIs and other evil authoritarians, start out by assuming that YOU know whose life is worthy, and whose is not! Then you move on to sterilization and killing! It all starts out by denying the value of other human lives! And if you can’t or won’t see and acknowledge that, you’re a deluded and EVIL Holocaust denier, same as Rob Misek!

              You and and your fuckbuddy, Shitsy Shitler, also run around telling people to commit suicide! I have NEVER been THAT evil! Nor even THOUGHT about saying that to people! Take stock of your SERIOUSLY FUCKED UP SOUL, Evil One Junior! Start by reading this: M. Scott Peck, the Hope for Healing Human Evil, https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0684848597/reasonmagazinea-20/

              1. Fuck off, Sqrlsy.

            2. They are not. That’s some paranoid vision you have absorbed from too much alt-right propaganda.

              1. That’s a pathetic attempt at rebuttal.

  28. Right – just like he got when he won the election. It’s not like the outgoing administration spied on his transition team, forcing many of his appointments to be charged with crimes based upon a phony FISA court document and leading up to a drastically stupid impeachment trial…

  29. Donald Trump swore an oath to uphold the Constitution when he became President. With that oath is an implied agreement to a peaceful transition to his successor in 2021 or 2025. His failure to acknowledge that he will over see a peaceful transition of power is a failure to live up to the oath he took. Nothing new for Trump, but still disturbing.

    1. Can you point to us where in the Constitution a sitting POTUS is required to hand over power to anyone in the event that he wins reelection, or in the event of a not-even-possible “draw”?

      1. There isn’t. He just can’t run for re-election in 2024, which he won’t assuming he wins re-election, which it is looking like he will.

      2. Our Constitution states and outlines the steps for a President to be be elected. It is therefore implied that the old President hands the office to his elected successor in a peaceful and democratic way.

        1. What part of “in the event that he wins reelection, or in the event of a not-even-possible “draw”” did you have the most difficult time understanding?

        2. It is therefore implied that the old President hands the office to his elected successor

          You are fucking delusional, like the rest of the tards in this thread. The Constitution of the United States doesn’t imply anything. It states its purposes outright.

          Nobody has to ‘hand the office’ of the presidency over, peacefully, democratically, or any other way. According to the Constitution, on Jan 20, 2021 the office belongs to the person who won the preceding election. The Secret Service is an actual police force that will arrest any pretender. The reporters asking that stupid question know this. Trump knows this. It is all a fucking game. Quit playing along.

        3. “Our Constitution states and outlines the steps for a President to be be elected. It is therefore implied that the old President hands the office to his elected successor in a peaceful and democratic way.”

          How about having your intel community abuse courts to spy on the new President? Is what the Constitution had in mind?

          Leftists really have zero leg to stand on in whining about transfers of power.

          1. Our Constitution does have the Foreign Emoluments Clause provision in Article I, Section 9. That would prohibit taking things of value from a foreign power, like election help. You can read about this in the Mueller Report and in the Senate Report on Russian interference.

  30. The results of the very first election for POTUS resulted in the loser bitching about the results and then refusing to behave.

    Glad to see nothing has changed.

  31. It would sure be nice to have a president who knew when to keep his mouth shut.

    1. It sure would be nice if suderman wasn’t a progressive shill and orange man bad cocksucker.

    2. Good luck trying to find that. Calvin Coolidge is long gone.

      1. Good one. There were not many like “cool Cal”

  32. Reading some of the comments here I seriously doubt you can call yourself a Libertarian if you are defending a Leader of a Country from SPECIFICALLY saying he doesn’t want to have a peaceful transfer of power. He had multiple opportunities to clarify and didn’t. You know Libertarians LOVE Autocratic Dictators it seems!

    1. Serious question. What possibility actually exists for a failure to transfer power, let alone one that is not peaceful. We have a Constitution. Thousands upon thousands of people who have sworn to uphold the Constitution would have to capitulate to Trump for there to be even an attempt at a coup. Nobody, not the military, nor the cops, nor the bureaucrats, have to accept an unconstitutional order as lawful. If he loses the election, on January 21, 2021, Trump can be arrested just like anybody else.

      So what is all this behaving like a little bitch really about? Maybe, just maybe, you are engaged in Trumptator fan-fiction like Suderman and not behaving very libertariabish at all.

  33. Well thank goodness then, that Joe Biden is such a powerful and clear communicator….

  34. You’re willfully blind, Suderman. He’s TELLING you what he’s going to do. He’s either getting actual ballots discarded for any tally, or he’s going to declare the election is fraudulent because he lost. Period. That’s it.

    The fact you think it’s just garbled English tells you how naive you are.

    Let me tell you something he will never do…concede. No matter what. If Obama said those things your head would be on fire.

    Libertarians. Not real fans of actual liberty.

    1. So is Suderman CHEERING ON the malfeasance of Trump?

      Trump IS malignant in this regard! I, for one, as a libertarian, say that firmly!

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/isabeltogoh/2020/09/03/trump-encourages-north-carolina-residents-to-illegally-vote-twice-as-he-continues-to-attack-mail-in-ballots/#757c6ed34cc8

      Trump Encourages North Carolina Residents To Illegally Vote Twice As He Continues To Attack Mail-In Ballots

      Our Dear Leader, encouraging crime… Imagine that!

      1. Trump Encourages North Carolina Residents To Illegally Vote Twice As He Continues To Attack Mail-In Ballots

        That’s even more stupid than the “He invited the Russian’s to hack Hillary’s e-mail server” claim.

        1. “Trump Encourages North Carolina Residents To Illegally Vote Twice” is a documented FACT! Do you also believe that the Earth is flat? 99.999% of the people out there are trying to TRICK you? Paranoia is a serious mental handicap, you know! Work on it!

  35. I think it is just expert level trolling considering the Democrats haven’t accepted the results of the last election and will not accept losing this election. Seems the only elections the left accepts are the ones they win.

    1. Really? Which candidate hasn’t conceded? Hillary? Gore? Try again.

      1. Hillary has claimed, for four years, that the election was stolen. That isn’t conceding, son.

        1. But did she threaten to NOT leave the White House? THAT is a legitimate fear, with respect to the utterly egotistic, narcissistic maniac known as Der TrumpfenFuhrer! And His incoherent mumblings are NOT helping!

      2. Her Thighness, Queen Hillary of Payoffs conceded, reluctantly, but to this day still thinks she won. Additionally, the Democrat Party has been acting, over the last almost four years, as if a Trump administration is illegitimate. So, yes, there are those who have not accepted the results.

        1. What matters is the President conceding or accepting the results. Did Hillary and Gore concede hotly contested elections? You bet. Did those concessions pave the way for the winners to seamlessly become office holders? You bet. Heck, did Obama welcome President elect Trump and transition with him? You bet.

          Trump is telling you he isn’t going to do that. He claims he knows, by divine providence I guess, that if he loses it would have to be a fraudulent election.

          He isn’t conceding. Ever. He’s telling you that directly. Suderman is deciding to be ignorant. You shouldn’t be.

        2. Her Thighness? I have an important question:

          If Her Thighness met the Starship EnterThighs, would She board said Starship EnterThighs? Or would said Starship EnterThighs board Her?

          Inquiring minds want to KNOW, dammit!

  36. TDS rant no.2789

  37. Um, why should Trump promise to accept the election results when the Democrats won’t.

  38. https://twitter.com/jimsciutto/status/1309205662942089216?s=21

    Hmm, my previous comment was lost. To be fair, other Republicans have stepped up to assure us of a peaceful transition if Trump loses, and the Senate apparently passed a resolution saying the same.

  39. Yet another example of Trump’s serial cowardice. This latest example of Trump’s cowardice to stand and lose in a free, fair, and peaceful election joins his hedging on and maybe duck debates via his nonsense about candidate drug tests. No one should be surprised, since #DuckingDonald was a ubiquitous hashtag of 2016 because he cowardly ducked debates with Cruz, Sanders, and Clinton throughout bot the primary and the general elections. The coward, Trump, has also always cowered and hid from all dissent from his no-shows at some early rallies to his recent #BunkerBoy incident.

    I guess #CadetBoneSpurs, finds his lifelong habit of cowardice hard to break.

  40. http://twitter.com/tracybeanz/status/1309231294816178183?s=19

    New exculpatory information in Gen Flynn case – FBI Agents KNEW the Crossfire Hurricane investigation was way outside of any normal bounds – and told each other.

  41. http://twitter.com/CBS_Herridge/status/1309266622104862721?s=19

    #Durham BREAKING: The primary sub-source for the Steele dossier was deemed a possible “national security threat” + the subject of 2009 FBI counter-intel probe. According to new records, those facts were known to Crossfire Hurricane team in December 2016.

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  43. http://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1309190623707246595?s=19

    #BREAKING: FBI finds mail-in ballots discarded in Pennsylvania. All of them were cast for President Trump.

  44. http://twitter.com/KimStrassel/status/1309272844661002241?s=19

    1) BREAKING, per @CBS_Herridge and extraordinary.
    So Christopher Steele’s main source for the dossier? He was the subject of a nearly two-year long FBI counter-intel investigation (2009-2011), under suspicion of being a Russian spy and a “threat to national security.”

  45. http://twitter.com/AmyKremer/status/1308606213161181184?s=19

    The tale of 2 campaign events in Pennsylvania within the last couple of days

    One of these things is not like the other one

  46. What the ever living fuck you leftist moron. Trump is asked if he’ll agree to a peaceful transfer of power including under conditions where he wins and you’re bitching about “we shall see” as an answer? Holy hell you’re stupid if you think that question deserved a polite demuring as opposed to complete scorn.

    Nice editing of the question to frame it so your TDS wasn’t so apparent, but maybe don’t include the NBC tweet outing your partisan hackery.

  47. The President is doing what any good ring master does, he controls the ‘ring’; what the next performance is and the performers. Or as Mom said, he’s stirring the pot.

  48. Considering most Ameicans already have doubts about the election results because of the controversy created by the Democrats why would they expect the President to accept the election? Most Americans expect a contested election with the Supreme Court making the final decision on who is President. If the Democrats had just allowed the election play out as usual we would not have this controversy. Who would have ever thought the Democrats would have states freely sending ballots out without anyone even requesting them?
    If the example of what happens with mail in voting is New York and New Jersey primaries we can expect arguments and court cases up to the last minute when the Supreme Court decides.
    One thing is very apparent. The Democrats know they are going to lose and are trying to do all they can to confuse the election because it is their only chance. They also know that although Joe Biden is not stupid he does have early dementia and they know that anyone willing to vote for him is stupid because of it.

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