Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Dead
Her death creates a vacancy on the Supreme Court just weeks before the presidential election and is likely to spark a major political fight.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died, the Supreme Court announced on Friday night.
Ginsburg, who was 87 years old and had battled cancer on and off since 1999, died surrounded by her family at her home in Washington, D.C., the Court said in a statement. Ginsburg served on the Court for more than 27 years after her 1993 appointment by President Bill Clinton. At the time, she was only the second woman in U.S. history to be named to the country's highest court.
"Our nation has lost a jurist of historic stature," Chief Justice John Roberts said in a statement.
Ginsburg rose to prominence during the women's rights movement of the 1970s while working as an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). She was appointed to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia by President Jimmy Carter in 1980.
During her time on the Supreme Court, Ginsburg was known as a liberal firebrand and a feminist icon—and even, in the final years of her life, a meme.
Her death leaves a vacancy on the nine-judge bench less than two months before a presidential election, and seems almost certain to set off a major political fight. President Donald Trump has already appointed two justices to the Supreme Court during his first term—Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh—and may now have the opportunity to appoint a third if the Republican-controlled Senate agrees to move the nomination quickly.
Just days before Ginsburg's death, NPR reports that the justice told her granddaughter that "my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."
When Justice Antonin Scalia died in the summer of 2016, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) infamously refused to consider the confirmation of a replacement until after that fall's presidential election. All eyes will now be upon McConnell to see how he handles this new vacancy.
Initial reports indicate that Trump may name a nominee in the near future, but Republicans would need significant support in the Senate for a confirmation to occur. McConnell, in a statement, said he would bring Trump's nominee to a vote on the Senate floor, but other Republican senators have reportedly cast doubt on that.*
Multiple sources close to President Trump with direct knowledge tell ABC News he is expected put forth a nominee to fill Ruth Bader Ginsburg's seat in the coming days via me & @KFaulders
— John Santucci (@Santucci) September 19, 2020
It is perhaps poetic that Ginsburg and Scalia are linked in that way, through their deaths, since they were also close friends in life despite holding deeply diverging views about politics and the law. At a time when America is deeply in need of a reminder that political disagreements need not transcend basic civility or mutual respect, their example should remain.
For more about Ginsburg's career and legacy, read Reason's Damon Root on "The Case of the Notorious RBG."
*UPDATE: This post was updated to include McConnell's statement.
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A surprise shower of salty tears tonight!
I had to bring more tear barrels from my warehouse to collect as much as I can tonight. I was just not expecting the tears to flow before Trump was reelected.
Tomorrow will bring violence and anger from the Lefties so I have to use different tear barrels for those tears.
Trump needs to ram through a good nominee. Fuck the progs.
My thoughts, exactly.
In the immortal words of the great Lightbringer:
https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1307374980389240832
My first thought was the ♫Ding-Dong♩ song from Oz, but I suppose once a person is dead, it's time to let go.
I just hope she repented for all the evil she did and that her bad karma is lessened.
Note how fast her granddaughter made her death a political statement. IF RBG said those words, bad karma was just doubled down on when politics is the last thing going through her shriveled up head. Tripled down on when just hours after her death, granddaughter has put a political spin on it. Geez, let the body hit room temperature in before setting up the bank-shot to the corner pocket.
Preview of chemjeff for anyone who doesn't want to read the whole thread:
http://twitter.com/CassandraRules/status/1307189221208330240?s=19
I'm absolutely dying. Welchie Boy's twin sister maybe?
Her salty ham tears and shrieks of impotent rage are like the elixir of life to me.
Jeff would have tears of rage and snot running.
Imagine her reaction to something important.
Tee hee hee.
I understand the reaction. I might even understand having a temper tantrum in my car. What I don't understand is videoing it, and uploading it so that it can be viewed by others for posterity. Do these people not grasp the concept of a private sphere vs public demeanor?
No wonder the national culture doesn't care about losing privacy. They never cared about it to begin with.
Right?
When did having a temper tantrum become something one wants to advertise?
I blame the left
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This did NOT happen in the original timeline. Things are FUCKED.
you're welcome
That's what happens when you come to our world, other tony!
How was I supposed to know that being sentenced to come back in time twenty years would lead to the timeline changing completely?
Because every plot of every movie, book, tv show, or even song that dealt with the subject warned specifically that it would happen. I have to know- was I successfull in the original time line?
How the hell would I know? You still posted on Reason, for what it's worth.
I dunno, maybe you invented the peanut-butter-and-banana-and-Oreo-milkshake in your world?
"You still posted on Reason, for what it’s worth." Ah, so still a loser.
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Damnit, I love the comment board here. A little less Tony, Jeffy and the trolls, but the rest of you are top notch.
Bitch I'm FABULOUS.
I think I love you!
Bo you're thinking of Yellow Tony.
So, do you have the goatee, or does regular Tony?
Neither of us has a goatee. Goatees are stupid.
This is going to make it very difficult to tell which
KirkTony is from the original timeline.RBG could have retired early this year to save from election drama with a SCOTUS. She was a horrible judge who violated her oath every day and was super selfish.
Good riddance.
She was SUPPOSED to croak in 2022.
Lol, so even her existence was partisan hackery?
Yes.
Her granddaughter made sure her death was partisan hackery. Seriously, if this is your first reaction to grans hitting the road to Hades, it doesn't speak very well of the dead. At least pause to let the rigor pass.
Meh, that's harsh. I disagreed with her about most things, but she thought she was right, and thought that her work was good for a country that she loved, and she worked hard, even until she died at 97, to do what she thought was good for the nation. The fact that she was wrong on many issues does not negate her sacrifice. RIP, Notorious RGB.
This.
Much of her work in the 70s brought about vastly superior outcomes for men as well.
I didn’t agree with her often. That does not make her evil.
Agreed, except her behavior from 2015 to today was disgraceful
No, her evil behavior made her evil.
Ironically, her refusing to resign during Obama's entire presidency so he could name her replacement--even if it was to feed her ego in her apparent desire to be listed as the longest-serving Justice--is arguably the most non-partisan act she, or any other political figure, has committed in the last 20 years.
87 actually. "Sacrifice" is an over-used word and unfortunately primarily only and wrongfully applied to those in public service. Why is that? Seriously, this is a holdover from the days when a civil service job was a pain in the ass low-paying job. Not so anymore. There are millions of private sector people who could have retired, but continue to do what they want and they get what they want out of it. We aren't all sacrificing shit and neither are those in the public sector. Leave that shit for service personnel who are deployed, wounded or killed in battle and the risks taken by police and firefighters.
Sacrifice my ass! Her life was about power over society, being revered, and leaving her legacy. That she spent the last couple of decades securing her place in history was something that she saw as an opportunity and far superior to staying home, baking cookies with the grandkids and keeping up on soaps. And making a quarter million a year and lots of glam didn't hurt, though I don't think that any of them do it for the money.
Honestly, the left should actually be a little pissed at her for not retiring about 5 years ago to ensure that Obama got his 3rd appointment. What they got was 5 years of RBG instead of potentially 30 years of a replacement in the Kagan model. Somehow she figured she'd last till the next Democrat president, which given her cancer history was not statistically likely.
They rarely say it out loud, but deep inside these lunatic sociopaths actually believe they're never going to die.
RIP indeed!
She was sincere, I am sure. I may not have agreed with her point of view often, but that doesn't make her a bad person.
But the Republic is in great danger no matter how this plays out. Civil disagreement is already badly frayed, and only true patriotism by both major parties can solve this.
Yeah, I'm scared for our future.
Her evil, tyrannical decisions made her evil. She did a lot of damage to Americans, and humanity in general as a SCTOUS Justice.
I never specifically wanted her to die, but if that’s what it took to end her unholy grasp on power, so be it. She should have just retired years years ago.
Doing that which is evil negates any "sacrifice". She was willing to sacrifice the lives of millions of the unborn. She didn't love this country-she loved her ultra-leftwing ideology. She loved power as all evildoers love it.
Totally agree, loveconstitution. She and the other leftist justices consistently voted according their own political ideals, Constitution be damned. Goodbye and good riddance.
This did NOT happen in the original timeline.
In the timeline you came here from. You're not FROM the original timeline.
Humans did not occur in the original timeline. In fact, humans won't discover the original timeline until well after the second solar re-ignition. And THAT was a learning module project undertaken by the larvae of a people who evolved outside this entire plenum. They were only going to let it run 400,000,000 revolutions, but a restoration group took it over and did a reseeding with an intersectional feminist (yes, THOSE intersectional feminists) clone population restructured to form hives.
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If the progressives advance their plans far enough, it may become necessary to acquire The Moment, and use it on them.
Perhaps a more warlike future regeneration of Jesus may become desperate enough.
I've already gotten mails that she should be replaced only after a suitable mourning period, which, depending on what happens in November, could be oh, a bit more than 5 years.
BTW, the judge who found the lockdowns unconstitutional seems like a good guy...
(up yours, Newsom!)
ACB on deck
3 days bereavement, so nominate the new justice on Tuesday?
Nomination Tuesday 8 AM, Dems get to start their questions at 8:15. Hell, I think its possible to seat this new justice in time for the October calendar, is it not?
Could even slip Breyer a mickey.... at age 82 nobody would be surprised with one foot on the banana peel.
Should be no problem Trump can nominate a conservative and Republicans control the votes with Pence as tie breaker. There are months left and Trump has already selected his next pick.
I would be extremely disappointed in both Republicans and Trump if this were not to happen.
AFAIK, McConnell is down with fast-tracking a nominee pre-Election. Which will hopefully take the winds out of D sails for voting for who appoints the new nominee.
I hope it's Amy Barett (Sp?). Alex Kozinski is too old, unfortunately.
I want it to be either Ted Cruz or Barack Obama. Both would be Ultimate Troll 1a and 1b.
Obama = how Trump could have the right burning his ass in effigy.
Cruz = how to ensure a less than certain confirmation, since as a sitting Senator, he wouldn't be allowed to vote for his own confirmation, and it would look even worse if he cast the deciding vote.
I'd be okay with Trey Gowdy though, if nothing else that for the show and the popcorn. He's unflappable. He'd completely own about a third of the Senate. Please yes, let Kamala Harris try her shit on Gowdy and he'd eat her ass in ways that Willy Brown never dreamed of.
Don't know why Eugene Volokh is never considered, he seems to me to be more than qualified.
I don't know why I thought he was 20 years older than he actually is. Guy turned 52 this year. Sure, he'd be great. I'd want some actual judicial experience from him first though.
We can’t afford anyone at all squishy that would go along with progtard bullshit like the ACA.
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Mike Lee. Strict constitutionalist, quiet, young, and a safe seat for replacement.
But can a Mormon make coffee for the rest of SCOTUS to drink, even if he's not supposed to drink it himself?
There might be one or two senators with some scruples, but I doubt it. There are a handful up for reelection in blue/purple states who won't want to piss off the voters, so I think that's the more likely obstacle.
And if they lose their election?
"And if they lose their election?"
Right...it is not clear to me that these vulnerable senators want to make this an issue. Democrats will crawl over broken glass to ensure that a liberal replaces RBG. Will the same number of democrats spend their time to punish a purple state senator for voting in a conservative?
I think this is a real close thing, and the calculus is not straight forward.
"Scruples"
Fuck off, leftist
This. From the same group that would happily expand the Court to 15 seats, "Because it's fair!" Or because all of the lower Circuits have 15 judges; why should this one be different? And so on.
Because GOp and Trump chated garland out of a seat retard!
Garland wasn't acceptable to the Senate.
That ain't cheating.
It might be ‘chating’ though. Whatever that is.
What, was it his birthright or something? Someone sell it to him for a bowl of venison stew?
he won it and a golden briefcase in a law contest with the devil
Let's burn every redneck at the stake? Only way to protect our civil liberties!
So calling for genocide of people you disagree with is protecting civil liberties. Keep proving you're a Nazi.
You do have your work cut out for you. A progtarded soyboy pussy like you needs ten people helping him to take on one redneck. Which will still only work if that redneck isn’t strapped.
However, feel free to choke our rivers with your dead.
Did you really put the words Senator and scruples in the same sentence?
Any port in a storm; every argument in the magazine.
Are their four? You'd need four. Tie goes to Pence. And any up for re-election won't break ranks. Doing so would lose them far more conservative voters than it would gain them in moderates/liberals I think.
Collins is likely dead anyway. I've not seen a poll where she's not down by double digits. Which is weird but, LOL Maine. Maybe they all act like sarcasmic up there?
So, if you're getting swept out anyway, why not screw Trump over, if she hates him?
Be prepared for Murkowski, Romney, and Collins to bitch out
Pence for the win?
+1000000000000
Yea, but I don't trust Miss Lindsey either
And Pence can only vote if there's a tie. If they abstain from voting, that's 50-47.
Don't know what the procedure for a 47-47 vote would be. Pence casts deciding vote, but does SC need to get 51?
No, simple majority counts.
Good.
Don’t forget Arizona.
Bittter progtard clingers will suffer greatly?
Murkowski already did.
Murkowski will probably play ball if she’s allowed to wet her beak in a significant enough way. As she is completely corrupt.
OMG!
Just when I didn't think politics could get any worse.
We ain't seen nothin' yet. 8-(
You are joking, right. How about physical assault on the floor of the Senate?
Acceptable
Good for C-Span's ratings, at least.
I accuse Representative Brooks of committing the crime in the Senate with a cane.
You really didn't think it could get worse?
Nah.
Trump can finally release the covid vaccine. The virus' purpose is done.
Well well well. What is Trump to do.
If he nominates a replacement before the election, he is throwing away a major reason for on-the-fence moderate to right-of-center people to vote for him.
But if he waits until after the election, he is transparently using SCOTUS as leverage for his own re-election, which can look really bad.
What to do, what to do.
"...he is throwing away a major reason for on-the-fence moderate to right-of-center people to vote for him."
LOL, no. There are a gazillion reasons for moderates to not want Harris.
Because as we all know, it's the Vice-President who really runs the country. That's why abortion has been banned and school prayer has been mandated thanks to the efforts of Arch-Conservative Moralist Vice President Pence in charge.
"Because as we all know, it’s the Vice-President who really runs the country..."
Given that slack-jawed, drooling empty suit, it's either her or his 'staff'.
Let's see. When Obama was president and Biden was vice-president, who was running things? Was it Biden? Or was it Obama?
When Reagan was president and HW Bush was vice-president, who was running things? Was it Reagan? Or was it Bush?
When Trump is president and Pence is vice-president, who is running things? Is it Trump? Or is it Pence?
It's the president who runs things and it's the president who sets the agenda. This idiotic idea that if Biden is elected "we'll have President Harris" is absurd on its face. There are plenty of good reasons to vote against Biden. Try to pick an honest one for once.
Was Obama a drooling mess?
Was Reagan?
no. Next question?
No.
It's the President who sets the agenda, not the Vice-President. That is the way it's been since Jefferson in 1800. This idea that Harris will "really run things" is just typical right-wing demagoguery. If you want to argue against Biden's terrible policies then do that. But you can't, so you must bring up the spectre of OMG RADICAL KAMALA WILL DESTROY AMERICA. That is the problem with the right wing of today. You just are fundamentally dishonest. You have no vision, only fear. Fear of libruls, fear of foreigners, fear of everything that isn't typical suburban America. And it shows.
are you seriously denying bidens health issues? You're entire neutrality shroud is gone.
That was never a 'shroud'; that was, and is, a steaming pile of bullshit.
Look below where he's trying to convince somebody that if Trump nominates a proggy, CA goes for Trump!
we know that. He pretends he has one.
Oh look it's another leading question from Team Red's leading fluffer.
"Are you seriously denying that Trump is suffering from narcissistic personality disorder? What kind of ignoramus are you?"
Biden is as much "suffering" from dementia as Trump is.
You okay buddy? Is tonight hard for you? Need to sit down?
And I never claimed to be neutral. That was an entire lie from you to bash me for not being something that I never was. Just more evidence that you are a garbage human being. Just die already.
you mad, bro.
Correct.
You never "claimed" to be anything at all. You hinted, you tried innuendo, you shuffled off to the left, but always seemed to hope your lefty bullshit would be seen as other than what it was and is.\
Fuck off, lefty shit.
Sevo, fuck off with your Republican bullshit.
Lying Jeffy likes to lie.
"chemjeff radical individualist
September.18.2020 at 10:55 pm
"Sevo, fuck off with your Republican bullshit."
You scummy pile if lefty shit, stuff your head up your ass so your TDS has some company.
Maybe one day you'll grow up, but it's extremely doubtful.
Pedo Jeffy, follow Hihn’s lead and die.
Forgot all about Cheney already, huh?
It is astoundingly dishonest to talk about Biden’s creeping senility without also acknowledging Trump’s inability to speak in coherent sentences.
lol 'astoundingly dishonest', dude Trump will improvise speeches and speak unprepared in front of crowds for hours. Think about that for a moment. Imagine yourself trying to do that.
Want to talk about 'astounding'? Biden fucking up answering SCRIPTED questions off of a TELEPROMPTER, forgetting what office he's running for and literally giving up on softball questions halfway through a single sentence. There is no comparison between the two.
Just because you think Trump's an idiot doesn't mean he is in cognitive decline, like Biden so obviously is, at least if you're not being 'astoundingly dishonest'.
Galloping, not creeping.
I'm not a big fan of Trump, but at least he hasn't lost the ability to express the, well, you know, the thing? C'mon man. Dog-faced pony soldier. It’s crazy. The teachers are required—I’m married to a teacher. My deceased wife is a teacher. They have every problem coming to them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4VH2JjWDnk
"It is astoundingly dishonest to talk about Biden’s creeping senility without also acknowledging Trump’s inability to speak in coherent sentences."
It is astoundingly dishonest for you to post anything without a disclaimer regarding your raging case of TDS.
I certainly hope it leads to a long and painful death.
Look, you fat, Leftist sack of shit: Biden is suffering from dementia. Now. Go listen to him in his public appearances. He sounds drunk, and that only after being medicated to his eyeballs.
Biden got the nod because Blacks wouldn't vote for another nominee. Not surprising, given Harris ended up putting as many Black men in chains as the fucking Confederacy. And apologized for none of it. Smart money is that a Biden Presidency won't last until November 2022, though they'll Chauncey Gardner him to try and get there.
She's the one who'll be publicly exercising power. Not Biden.
And I told myself I wouldn't bother responding to you. Sigh.
You cannot name a single instance where the vice-president was the one who wielded the "real power" in any administration. Maybe in the 1820's or something, but not now And I am supposed to believe that Dangerous Radical Kamala Harris will do so now? This is more fear-mongering bullshit from Team Red. That is all. Biden in 2020 is about as senile as Reagan was in 1984. That didn't seem to matter when it came to Reagan's re-election. Team Red needs to up its game and not rely on fear and demagoguery to try to win elections. Where is Team Red's affirmative vision for the future? Do they even have one? How long do you expect fear of some mythical socialist horizon to work as a motivating factor for your base?
25th amendment on Jan 21
Just like the 25th amendment was used against Trump, right? Because there were so many people predicting it was going to happen, right?
Stay grounded in reality and don't fall for the right-wing garbage around here.
Biden is suffering from dementia. The Donkeys will be justified in replacing him as soon they have enough cabinet appointed.
Sure he is. Just like Trump is suffering from dementia.
Jeff I’ve seen you die on some pretty stupid hills over the years, but this is probably one of the worst.
*Worst as in most pathetic and totally indefensible w nothing to gain / blatantly dishonest on its face.
Pedo Jeffy, Biden has had TWO very debilitating aneurysm surgeries. The second one clinically lobotomized him. Age hasn’t helped him either. He was also fairly unintelligent to begin with.
Of course, this is beyond you.
George W. Bush
Unless you are currently being played by someone born in this century, you should be able to remember how every single person on the left proclaimed that the evil Cheney was actually running things and Bush was only a stupid puppet.
In this case, there is very good reason to suspect that Biden is not generally running his own press conferences or campaign. The idea that he won't be running much of anything at the White House if he were to win is not exactly out of left field. His deterioration over the last 2 years has been rapid and rough. He is clearly not the same guy who walked out of the White House 3.5 years ago, and there's plenty of reason to speculate that he won't be able to serve 4 years.
He's getting answers handed to him for softball interviews for fucks sake. He's back to telling lies that Johnny Carson makes jokes about. Guy is done.
every single person on the left proclaimed that the evil Cheney was actually running things and Bush was only a stupid puppet.
Yeah and they were idiots, just as the idiots on Team Red are currently trying to do with Biden and Harris.
"there is very good reason"
"is not exactly out of left field"
"there’s plenty of reason"
No, there is punditry and that's all.
According to both Harris and Biden's teleprompter, that's Harris-Biden.
Sometimes just Harris.
Which is funny, because she couldn't get enough support to make it to even the first primary.
That's ludicrous.
You might disagree as to the level of impairment... but that dude ain't the same guy. He's using a teleprompter to answer planted press conference questions, for crying out loud.
His entire career, Biden prided himself on being the smartest guy in the room. Now, he wasn't actually the smartest guy in the room, but that's how he saw himself. He was prone to gaffes that took the form of grandiose statements, not time-slip senior moments where he tells people to educate their kids by putting on the record player at night.
He might indeed still be a great and glorious leader with the strength of will and mental fortitude to lead the free world. But that would be "in spite of" these indications... not because these indications don't exist.
Remember, it is not just republican detractors who have been saying these things. There has been a chorus of voices on the left saying the same thing all summer. Even Biden himself acknowledges that he will not be able to run for re-election in 4 years.
While it is plausible that he will be able to hold office for the full term should he win, I would hardly call it likely. And certainly not a scenario that can be dismissed as mere "punditry".
Yes, a "chorus of voices on the left" who would have preferred that Bernie have won instead. They are no more a fan of Biden than your typical MAGA idiots are.
Again, what is the affirmative vision for Team Red? How much mileage do you think you can really get from just demagoguery and fear?
Seriously dude- let's set aside the reasons why the press is giving him a tongue bath.
How can you look at the town hall where the speaker says "I know I am supposed to read this question off the paper but I won't", or the interview where you can see the reflection of his teleprompter that obviously shows his interview is scripted, or the many times he is obviously reading instructions (not lines) off the teleprompter or notes, or the several times he is giving instructions to whomever is running the teleprompter- How can you look at these and deny that his interviews are incredibly scripted events- especially knowing that the Democratic party was caught with their pants down getting debate questions for Hillary prior to the debates in 2016?
Now I guess you could be in such a state of denial that you think this kid gloves approach to Biden is just the media cheerleading its favored capable leader across the finish line, but I think it is pretty absurd to say that people assuming the man is incompetent are making it up out of whole cloth.
Overt, I have no idea what you are talking about here.
We know Jeffrey. Ignorance is your best quality.
It is true I don't follow politics on a minute-by-minute basis. I actually have a job unlike you who has nothing better to do than to read garbage right-wing websites all day.
"It is true I don’t follow politics on a minute-by-minute basis."
Oh, yes! Lefty shit Jeff doesn't really follow politics! Why he showed up here all of 11 minutes after the article was posted!
Don't you get even a bit embarrassed posting bullshit like that?
"chemjeff radical individualist
September.18.2020 at 10:19 pm
Overt, I have no idea what you are talking about here."
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"Overt, I have no idea what you are talking about here."
Then I really suggest you get out of the bubble. I mean, how can you insist that these guys are crazy conspiracy theorists if you haven't heard of these episodes.
It is a fact that Biden was in a town hall where a person asking a question said "I know I am supposed to read this off the paper, but I can't". It is a fact that there is an interview where Biden decides to hold up a picture of him and his son, and in the glass of the portrait, you can see a teleprompter for this "spontaneous interview". These things actually happened.
Now you can say that there are legitimate reasons for these things that don't require Biden being coddled by his staff to cover for his mental decline, but you cannot look at that evidence and call people absurd for drawing such a conclusion.
How much mileage do you think you can really get from just guilt and grievance?
Holy shit Pedo Jeffy really embarrassed himself here!
Everyone, remember Jeffy is a stupid, lying, sophist piece of shit. Expecting him to debate anything in good faith is a waste of time.
"His entire career, Biden prided himself on being the smartest guy in the room."
Jesus Christ: how?! In a Senate with Patrick Moynihan? Or medical doctors like Frist and Paul?
So you're saying he's been deluded for awhile now.
This claim that Biden is "suffering from dementia" is right-wing garbage. It is just their usual playbook of demagoguery and fear. They cannot argue against Biden on his own merits. They have to resort to fear. Either it will be "Harris is really in charge" or "AOC is really in charge" or "Dr. Jill Biden is really in charge", it doesn't matter. It is fear-based all the way. It has been this way since 2008 at least. They could not argue against Obama on the merits either. It was always "he's a Kenyan Muslim Marxist" or some such nonsense. Team Red can only win when they scare people. They cannot win based on an affirmative message. That is one main reason why they are sick and hopeless. They are not worthy of support. Team Blue isn't worthy of support either, but it is based on their horrible policies like Green New Deal or zillions in higher taxes. If only Team Red could offer an affirmative message to counteract the nonsense of Team Blue. But they can't. Because it is not in their nature.
Finally jeff took the wig off. He's a flown blown leftist.
I'm not a leftist. I'm an anti-rightist. That is what you cannot get through your head. I am completely fed up with the fearmongering and demagoguery that stands for right-wing campaigns nowadays. I won't tolerate any more of it. It doesn't mean I support left-wing views. It does mean I reject right-wing demagoguery. Understand fully what that means.
"This claim that Biden is “suffering from dementia” is right-wing garbage...."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
You're completely psychotic, chemjeff.
"I’m not a leftist. I’m an anti-rightist."
You.
Are.
Full.
Of.
Shit.
No, Nardz, you are a disgusting fascist who would be better off getting help for his anger issues than by continuing to post here.
You're delusional. You would have to be to even pretend to believe that Biden's not senile. He can't go five minutes without forgetting where he is and what he's supposed to be saying, and we can all see it.
"You’re delusional."
See above:
" I am completely fed up with the fearmongering and demagoguery that stands for right-wing campaigns nowadays."
The left swore that if Trump was elected, there would be more violence. He was, they delivered the violence and lefty shitbags like Jeff are here to claim is was the right who did so after the elections.
"Delusional" may be too mild; fucking idiotic is closer to the truth.
chemjeff radical individualist
September.18.2020 at 10:27 pm
I’m not a leftist.
Yes you are you dishonest piece of shit.
Dr. Jill is Joe's puppeteer.
This idiotic idea that if Biden is elected “we’ll have President Harris” is absurd on its face. There are plenty of good reasons to vote against Biden. Try to pick an honest one for once.
Never mind Heels Up Harris. Read the biography of Edith Wilson. A vote for Brain Damaged Biden is really a vote for Jill Biden until Sleepy Joe croaks.
"...until Sleepy Joe croaks."
RBG hung on better!
Oh that's even better. We'll get the First Lady who is "really in charge"? This gets even more insane.
Why not, you know, ARGUE AGAINST BIDEN ON THE MERITS? Is that really so hard to do? Why must you all resort to fear and absurd rumors and demagoguery?
A big part of the merits to argue against him on are "he is LITERALLY NO LONGER A FUNCTIONING ADULT". Just because you don't like those merits doesn't mean they don't exist.
That is just ad-hominem. You thought Hillary was "bitchy" too, right?
Why not argue against his policies or his agenda? Oh no, it is about how he is "demented". How lame.
"That is just ad-hominem."
Stupid? Check.
Dishonest? Check.
Stupid enough to hope someone is as stupid as Jeff? Check.
Fuck off, lefty shit.
You thought Hillary was “bitchy” too, right?
Of course she is, but she's evil, power-hungry and incompetent, which is far more important.
-jcr
You mean his merit that every COVID death is trumps fault...how about he’ll give everyone free health insurance...or that all wildfires and hurricanes will end if he’s elected....the dude is gonzo, he’s a complete joke.....
that all wildfires and hurricanes will end if he’s elected
I'm about 99% sure he didn't say that.
That’s because you’re stupid.
chem...How about you answer the point directly?
There is no question that Slow Mo Joe has lost his fastball. Just look at the man. He has got the 'old man shuffle', his speech delivery is nothing like it was a decade ago, and his ability to extemporaneously think (let alone speak) is next to non-existent.
He spent the entirety of his statement on RBG staring down at the cards it was written on.
A 4th grader could've done better.
Biden has no merits you stupid little child rape enthusiast twat. If you were in ANY way an actual libertarian, you would know that.
It is either a demon or Satan himself who "runs" Biden. The primary reason not to vote for him is he is a Judas. He is fake Catholic who scandalizes God, mocks him, promotes murder, and using that name merely as a prop to gain support. If he is a traitor to God, he can't be trusted in anything.
You're right, Jared is the one who makes all the important decisions.
How stupid/deceitful are you>
You forgot to add fat.
I'd rather be fat than a garbage human being like you Jesse.
Please why don't you again try to complain that a sincere statement of condolences is somehow some ruse.
You are a horrible human being.
But you are garbage, chemjeff.
It's why you hate yourself so much.
I cannot wait to see you in jail for finally acting on your stated desire for attempting to kill leftists. It is what you deserve, fascist. I just hope you don't actually harm anyone.
Wait wait wait, not only are you fat and stupid, you're in jail now too?
chemjeff lore is deeper than I thought.
Lol
He is in a place where he can some of the loving he so desperately craves.
Thats so sincere of you Jeffrey.
Maybe you can join him if you join in with Nardz's fascist fantasies.
...you've started drinking, haven't you, jeff.
So you want to jail people who disagree with you and call them fascists?
I want to jail people who commit crimes that violate the NAP. Particularly ones like murder. Which Nardz continually threatens to commit against leftists. If you want to join him by committing crimes then I would not shed a tear by your own incarceration. I would only be sad for those whom you would harm.
Never have i threatened murder, which is illegal homicide, chemjeff.
You're just not intelligent enough to understand where we're at.
And you are so delusional that I do believe you are a danger to yourself and others.
Nardz
September.8.2020 at 11:18 am
Cool.
Will to power it is then, mod.
Time to wipe out leftists like yourself
I haven't threatened any crimes but you want me in jail. And you call others fascist.
Poor Jeffrey. All the costumes are off. Just an authoritarian leftist.
Jesse, if you don't want to ally yourself with the authoritarian murderous fascist rightwingers around here, the better for you.
"Wipe out" like with a cloth...
It wasn't sincere buddy. In that thread you said no more federal spending and defended lockdowns. You saying you feel bad for a jobless person who couldn't get benefits because of your preferences isnt sincerity. It is you ignoring the outcome of your preferences.
If you were sincere you'd risk the miniscule morbidity risk to you so he could get a job. But you won't. Because you're a selfish fatty.
You are a lying asshole. I NEVER DEFENDED LOCKDOWNS. Not now, not ever. You will not admit this ever because you cannot ever argue against a real human being. You can only argue against stereotypes and strawmen. And you cannot acknowledge when someone you don't like actually does something right. You must find sinister intent in anything I do even if it is a lie. That is why you are a garbage human being. You do not recognize me as a person. Only as some online troll and stereotype. Fuck off Jesse and go to hell.
Yes you did sweetie. You've also threatened people with mask laws if they didn't wear them. Sorry buddy. Stop lying. It will help.
Liar.
Okay buddy. Time for you to go to sleep. Blood pressure a bit high. You're delusional.
You are a liar.
You are a liar who cannot do anything but ATTACK in order to PWN THE LIBS. Fuck you Jesse. Go to hell.
People often get angry when they get exposed. But your choices have crushed millions of jobs. Good for you. You don't give a fuck about others. You worry you have a very small increase in your morbidity. You've cheer leaded the increased authoritarianism since day one. Under the guise good people submit by wearing masks and staying home.
Youre the evil one here.
You are a lying asshole. I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED LOCKDOWNS and I HAVE NEVER DEFENDED MASK MANDATES. I dare you to present even one quotation where I have. You cannot because you are a lying shithead. You cannot argue against me the individual. You can only argue against the stereotypes in your head. Fuck off and die. You are even worse than Tulpa around here.
Yes you have dear.
And it is funny you complain about people yelling fick the libs (Marxists really) when ul thread youre ranting about the right wong non stop.
Do you even try for consistency?
I admit I hate the left. But I don't try to disparage others for hating the right. You constantly wine about people shaming the left while condemning the right.
Youre farther left than I am right sweetie.
Produce one single quote where I have supported lockdowns or mask mandates. Just one.
You cannot because you are a filthy liar and a garbage human being.
Nah. We know the truth. Not up for your games tonight.
I've ready exposed you for the authoritarian leftist you are.
But I forgive you for wishing jail on me. Because I'm a better person than you are. I would never ask for you to be locked up for your leftist opinions.
So you cannot produce proof. You are a liar. I have never once supported lockdowns or mask mandates. You lie when you claim that I have. You are a garbage asshole. Go to hell.
"We know the truth."
The truth is, I have never once supported any lockdowns or maks mandates. That is your complete fantasy. You cannot prove it. All you can do is smear people. Because you are a garbage human being. Fuck you.
No, you never explicitly supported the lockdowns because you're a slimy little weasel. You said, in mock concern, "If you don’t take reasonable public health measures, unreasonable ones will be imposed upon you." Not because you wanted it that way of course, but just as a point of fact. Of course you never denounced mandatory lockdowns either, because you believe something must be done about disease outbreaks, and you're not particularly bothered by tyrannical solutions.
Please, please show me any example of where the Vice President "really ran things".
Look what happened when Obama was elected. The party bent to his will. The blue-dog Democrats were more or less run out of power.
Look at what happened when Trump was elected. The party bent to his will. The moderate, mainstream Republicans were more or less run out of power.
If Biden is elected, the party will be bent to his will. It will not be AOC or Bernie or Harris running things. This is not a defense of Biden, but an observation of how things actually transpire. This idea that if Biden wins, AOC will "really be in power" or Harris will "really be in power" is insane. It is just right-wing narrative fearmongering. Pence doesn't run things now, Biden didn't run things when he was vice-president, there is no reason, literally none, to think that Harris would "run things" if Biden were elected.
If you want to argue against a Biden presidency, then start by arguing against it on its merits, instead of these bullshit appeals to fear.
You jumped into the stupid pool so you could deny biden is a drooling mess. Congrats i guess.
Here is a cluebag for Team Red. If you think "Biden is a drooling mess" will be a winning argument for you in 2020, you are wrong.
It isnt an argument. It is a fact to anyone who doesn't go to Vox for their daily arguments.
I mean even left of center folks like Rogan and Pool fucking admit it. But youre such a retarded lefty you can't.
I mean even left of center folks like Rogan and Pool fucking admit it.
WHO CARES? Who the fuck cares what Joe Rogan thinks? And as far as I can tell, Tim Pool is the useful idiot for Team Red. He took the place of Alan Colmes on Fox. You know, when Hannity's show was "Hannity and Colmes" and pretended to be balanced, as opposed to now, when it is just straight propaganda. That is your problem. You cannot escape the right-wing bubble.
Joe Rogan's podcast was the second-most downloaded on iTunes in 2017 and 2018 and he recently inked a deal with Spotify worth at least 80 million dollars (estimates place it at 100 million, so even if you want to be conservative about it, that's still a pretty big deal).
So apparently a lot of people care what Joe Rogan thinks.
You have said in this xomment thread bidens health is a roght wing talking point dummy. I've proven it isnt.
Want to try again?
calling pool right wing is hilarious by the way. He laughs at leftists like you who claim he changed. He has linked his reports gling back to OWS showing he hasn't.
Hilarious that disagreeing with you makes someone right wing.
Get help dear.
Alan Colmes wasn't right-wing either. He was their right-wing stooge though. That is what Pool is now.
So apparently a lot of people care what Joe Rogan thinks.
Really. Why is that so?
And frankly I don't trust any of you to report honestly what Joe Rogan, or anyone else for that matter, correctly thinks or doesn't think about anyone.
"So apparently a lot of people care what Joe Rogan thinks." – Red Tony
"Really. Why is that so?" – chemjeff radical individualist
Joe Rogan’s podcast was the second-most downloaded on iTunes in 2017 and 2018 and he recently inked a deal with Spotify worth at least 80 million dollars (estimates place it at 100 million, so even if you want to be conservative about it, that’s still a pretty big deal).
So apparently a lot of people care what Joe Rogan thinks.
And frankly I don’t trust any of you to report honestly what Joe Rogan
Do something you've never done in your life. Educate yourself.
Frankly I have never listened to a Joe Rogan podcast. I've only heard of him.
We've already determined that ignorance is your strongest suit.
Why should I care what Joe Rogan thinks?
Haha Pedo Jeffy got embarrassed last night! He argued a whole thread about Joe Rogan, just to get to the end and...wait for it...ADMIT HE’S NEVER EVEN LISTENED TO HIM!
Classic Pedo Jeffy.
During the W. Bush admin, one of the more popular ideas on the left was that Darth Cheney was the true power behind the throne.
There's still plenty of weirdos who think Dick Cheney was secretly pulling the strings.
Yeah well they are mirror image of the idiots now who claim that "Harris will be pulling the strings". They cannot argue against the substance so they invent fear to motivate votes based on emotion.
So much projection.
You have nothing inside but hatred.
Unlike you, who threatens to shoot leftists on a daily basis
Better than false empathy for people whose lives are ruined by their preferred choices.
Fuck you, lying shithead. It was not false and you are a lying weasel for suggesting otherwise.
Yes it was.
Provide one citation whatsoever where I supported lockdowns or mask mandates. Just one. You cannot.
You get by with the support of the right-wing crowd around here who overlook your sins in the name of their version of the 'greater good'. But you lie about those whom you slander like myself. Just one quotation. Just one. You can't do it.
Good thing neither Trump nor Pence ever referred to it as a Pence-Trump administration, unlike both Biden and Harris
Chemjeff has been squealing for hours, but hasn't responded to this point.
Weird...
Weird, right? He said it once. Therefore it confirms every right-wing fear about OMG HARRIS THE RADICAL IS IN CHARGE, right? How many times has Trump said something awful and it has been discarded as nothing but words? You have no leg to stand on here.
Lol
Chemjeff, literally disintegrating before our eyes.
Kinda like Biden
Harris probably already has the incompetency papers typed up for Biden though. Pence was just there as an insurance policy for Trump.
You really don’t understand that Biden is one slip away from getting the Weekend at Bernie’s treatment, at best?
Stop being willfully obtuse, you know that if someone here says something like Gray did it’s because they think there’s a better than 75% chance Biden doesn’t finish his first term as president.
"Because as we all know, it’s the Vice-President who really runs the country. "
Biden and Harris have both referenced a "Harris administration".
On the other hand, I hope RBG's family can find peace. Passing is a bad thing and she was not evil by any means.
Harris has already let slip she will be the one yielding the power. Biden is a placeholder. He will die in office or step aside because of his dementia.
Give Pedo Jeffy a break. He’s really stupid.
He'll do what all of us do on a regular basis.
He'll do your mom.
My mom has standards. So that would be a no.
No she doesn't. She raised a fat kid. Bad parent.
I'd rather be fat than stupid.
Your mom lost.
...wait, hold on. We all knew you were stupid, but now you're fat, too?
chemjeff's backstory is being revealed tonight!
Obese levels.
Sure whatever. Because in your mind it doesn't matter who I actually am, only whom you project me to be.
In your mind I'm a 900-lb leftist radical screaming at my neighbors to not leave their houses and voting for Bernie and AOC. Because you cannot accept who I really am you can only argue against strawmen and caricatures.
The truth of the matter is you are just a right-wing asshole. Nothing more nothing less.
...you know that's a really specific image.
Is it now chemjeff canon that he weighs 900 pounds and wears booty shorts?
Youre actually a nothing in my mind.
Doesn't make you any less fat.
Wanna-be protected class. But even the trans-gender gimps laugh at the fatties.
External link to shady website.
If you value your sanity, please - for the love of God! - never click an other tony link!
"Like two suicide notes in a glitter bra." – Colonel Hunter Gathers, Venture Bros.
Youre both sweetie.
You’re both. Plus, you’re a child rape enthusiast.
"My mom has standards."
Verifiably false.
"So that would be a no."
I'll take "phrases chemjeff's mom has never said" for $600, Alex.
Fuck off asshole.
"Fuck
offmy asshole."I'll take "phrases chemjeff's mom uses every day" for $1000, Alex.
Oh aren't you clever.
Do you think you earn the clever award for such sophomoric insults?
Just fuck off and stop wasting electrons.
"Oh aren't you clever."
Yes.
"Do you think you earn the clever award for such sophomoric insults?"
Yes.
"Just fuck
offme and stop wastingelectronserections."Quoting your mom all over the place tonight, huh jeff?
lol.
Audible laugh announced
YOU are a waste of electrons Pedo Jeffy.
"If he nominates a replacement before the election, he is throwing away a major reason for on-the-fence moderate to right-of-center people to vote for him."
You bet, Jeff! Nominate some brain-dead proggy and CA goes Trump, right?
Cue the laugh track.
Oh give it a rest. You know as well as anyone else that fear over SCOTUS appointments is a major reason for voting. It was true in 2016 and it's true now.
"Oh give it a rest..."
Called on your bullshit, and I'm to 'give it a rest'?
Fuck off.
You know I'm right and you won't admit it.
If Trump nominates a replacement before the election he will be taking away one of his main demagogic appeals for voting for him. The fear that if Biden wins he will nominate AOC to SCOTUS or some such nonsense.
I am quite certain Trump will nominate a replacement before the election, and the replacement will be promptly confirmed by a pliant Senate which will do whatever Trump wants. Don't worry you will get your right-wing hero on SCOTUS.
chemjeff radical individualist
September.18.2020 at 8:56 pm
"You know I’m right and you won’t admit it..."
You stupid shit, Walter Olson was quoted here earlier this week admitting that he actually likes Trump's economics polices far better than any offered by the Ds, but he won't vote for Trump anyhow: T-D-S.
You think assholes like that are going to change their vote if he nominates some brain-dead proggie?
I knew you were stupid, but I did not realize *how* stupid.
He just can't admit his cream puff biden is mentally failing.
You stupid shit, Walter Olson was quoted here earlier this week admitting that he actually likes Trump’s economics polices far better than any offered by the Ds, but he won’t vote for Trump anyhow: T-D-S.
That is pretty much where I'm at, actually. I would not vote for Trump even if he had Milton Friedman's economic policies. Because he is an unfit leader. It is not "derangement", it is a recognition of the qualities that a leader ought to have. Trump is a demagogic ignoramus. He doesn't deserve to be elected dogcatcher. I am not being asked to vote for some abstract policy. I am being asked to vote for a person. And I cannot support the person Trump despite whatever policy preferences he might profess.
"...It is not “derangement”, it is a recognition of the qualities that a leader ought to have..."
IOWs, it is *exactly* "derangement". The man could cure cancer, find peace in the ME, cut the national debt to zero, and you, Olson and the other pathetic victims of T-D-S would still vote for that slack-jawed, drooling senile piece of shit since you simply do not like Trump.
You deserve to be kicked in the nuts on a regular basis, you sorry excuse for a human being.
I would never vote for Trump. Even if he cured cancer. That is correct, because he is an unfit garbage human being.
That doesn't mean I would vote for Biden. Because he isn't all that either.
Sorry not sorry if your right-wing panties got in a wad. Maybe you should think a little bit about what you value in a leader. If you think Trump is your idea of leadership, then there is something wrong with you.
A leader isn't a figurehead that you seek morals from. It is the person who decides the direction of the institutions he is on charge of.
He isnt your daddy.
You are right, he is the person who directs the institutions he is in charge of. And I don't trust his judgment. Neither should you.
you just said above:
I would never vote for Trump. Even if he cured cancer. That is correct, because he is an unfit garbage human being.
Which has nothing to do with his institutional decisions. It is a moral argument.
Care to try again?
I don't trust his judgment.
So you were lying before.
More and more Black Americans are voting for Trump.
This signals the literal end of the Democrat Party.
Just ask the Black woman Republican running in Maryland 7th district.
Good interview on The View today. Joy is furious.
So you watch The View on a daily basis?
...this thing called the Internet exists, jeff, and it includes something called "video hosting" including videos of various people getting pissed when getting called out on their bullshit.
Like this video here!
I've got to say, as evil a warmongering piece of shit as he was, LBJ was a freaking genius of a politician. Getting black voters to become his sharecroppers at a time when people were still highly aware of the Democrats' role in slavery and the vicious suppression of the civil rights movement was perhaps the slickest trick in the history of American demagoguery.
-jcr
If Trump is all these things you claim, why aren't you railing against your team for failing to nominate a decent human being to run against him, TWICE? Pretty fucking irresponsible, isn't it?
-jcr
Sort of. Note that Clarence Thomas might retire soon, so Trump can still appeal to on-the-fence moderate to right-of-center people even if he replaces RBG before the election.
I would vote for Trump just to make sure we have as few activist justices on SCOTUS as possible.
How is nominating a halfway decent scotus pick “ throwing away a major reason for on-the-fence moderate to right-of-center people to vote for him”? Doesn’t that give them some motivation to show their support?
No matter who they put up, he or she will be Borked, Kavanaughed, and barbecued.
This will become the focus of everybody.
There may be fistfights on the Senate floor. There may be fistfights in the Senate Judiciary Committee.
This is the best thing that could have happened at the worst possible time.
Agreed.
He could pick someone with absolutely no dirt, and it’ll still happen.
What I’m hoping is that he picks a woman. That’ll forestall a lot from people who don’t wrap their lives in politics, and make things like MeToo useless.
That's laugh out loud funny.
Did you miss the Clarence Thomas hearings? He was openly and publicly called an uncle Tom. He was attacked on a personal level... and they sent black faces out to disavow him.
They have zero commitment to their supposed "diversity" principles.
High tech lynching
That’s true.
So I hope he nominates a black woman.
Let’s leave the left twisting while they fly their racism flag proudly.
Personally, I think Daniel Cameron would be an apt choice.
2 conservative black guys on the court? Yeah, that’ll drive the left fucking bonkers.
POTUS Trump put out his list. There are 45 possibilities, a few of whom politely declined. Personally, I figure the replacement is a woman, not more than mid-50's in age, quite probably younger. I mean, there aren't many female circuit court judges less than 55 that POTUS Trump put on the final list. Maybe 3.
I see howling, but not fistfights.
The prediction markets already have Amy Coney Barrett as the favorite.
I would expand the predictions. There are plenty of younger (LOL, sounds sexist) women than Judge Barrett (age 48) on that list. Example: One of them is 38 years old (Allison Jones Rushing). Think of how long she would be on SCOTUS. Another is Britt Grant (age 41). There are three other women in their early 40's...all of whom are younger than Barrett.
Regardless, Judge Barrett would be a sterling addition to SCOTUS.
Left cant bash Cohen hard either as Biden is running as an open Catholic. If they bash her for her religion...
Lulz.
Young is important. Ideologically consistent is too. No more Roberts or Souters.
Agreed....consistent Originalist is a must have.
I submit that the younger they are then necessarily the less consistent over time they will be - especially if they are women. peoples views move and its harder to gauge which way they will lean over the years with younger people.
I guess the hope would be that people naturally get more conservative as they age but just check out the older moon howlers and old stars and starlets. their opinions are sclerotic dogma that if not submitted to makes you evil.
also... if a judge is successfully appointed b4 the election [i now hope one is due to the undoubtedly unhealthy post voting mess that the press and dems are queuing up that will require SC adjudication] .. it only guarantees
an expanded SC immediately after a dem is elected president - so although i think it is necessary it IS only a temporary situation if you are a dem.
the new expanded SC will undo any and everything that stands in the way of their living constitution
They just need to find a nominee who is suitably qualified and has no paper trail and no skeletons and will vote reliably to defend the Constitution.
Good luck with that.
"When Justice Antonin Scalia died in the summer of 2016, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) infamously refused to consider the confirmation of a replacement until after that fall's presidential election. All eyes will now be upon McConnell to see how he handles this new vacancy."
Why should the Republicans punish the country for their own precedents?
This isn't a game, it affects the rights, literally, of unborn generations. Are we going to tell the defenders of babies in the womb that, gosh, we'd normally stand up for you, but it wouldn't be according to the rules of the game - wouldn't be cricket, old man.
And I suppose if Republicans vote to potentially give the seat to a Democrat, maybe they'll keep their personal jobs and get a good lobbying gig after their terms are up, but they will earn nothing but contempt from the Democrats amid all the good sportsmanship.
You said it. When it comes to "saving the children", anything is justified.
Even drastic measures like a prompt nomination and vote. Horrific!
If the Democrats and Republicans are supposed to be implacable enemies, why would either of them want to give their enemy any sort of advantage?
The precedent is a congress in opposition to the president. Those names have been slow voted on many times.
They should have voted on Obama's nominee in 2016. They shouldn't make the same mistake again by slow playing things now.
Senate determines their own rules. Senate has an equal power in appointments. They should have done nothing they didn't want to.
• Clearly the matter must be decided by qualified representation.
License must not be resorted to.
No one really wants a blanket loss of any of their rights.
Any matter that requires use of force to bring resolution must be called into question. Whoever must use force to resolve the simple proposition of the matter isn't using reason.
Whoever rationally may require the most rightful force to vindicate her cause must surely intend to give birth!!
Whoever has no cause must surely be receiving the most representative force!!
The proscribed sentence for giving birth without representation would usually be death for any offspring involved. Although some children on record have been recorded as having been raised ferally, by actual animals.
So -- and necessarily -- that leaves some room for volition.
Prepare for each side side to completely disavow everything they said after Scalia died.
That the process requires both a nomination and consent of congress and each action is independent? Nope. Still believe that.
It was mostly the libs pretending the Senate had no say in shit.
So it’s all about politics. Yeah I knew that. Personally I’m very happy with Gorsuch so I’m actually hoping Trump nominates someone of that caliber...especially compared to the identity-politics-abomination that Biden will be pressured to nominate.
There's no requirement for the consent of Congress. Just the Senate.
Agreed. But the actions are distinct. And the senate determines its own procedures.
Ah another Great Ideology Swap! I love those.
Just like that, the election is now all about abortion and guns.
Which makes no sense.
This takes the court off the table. Trump will get an appointment before the inauguration even if he loses. The issue is now dead and buried. The only question is, who will get to play power broker in the senate.
If I were an enterprising Democrat who had some particular wants, I'd be approaching the White House right about now. Probably 1 vote from D completely defangs the R opposition, even if the left-republican and neverTrump republican groups unite. That 1 D vote will be the most powerful person in the senate for a short period of time.
Or he can go all-in with the party and get nothing while trump pushes through his nominee.
"The only question is, who will get to play power broker in the senate."
Watch Romney fuck everything up.
The Donkeys need to turn 4 Heffalumps to remove Pence from the equation.
Not happening.
It is 53 republicans, right?
With Murkowski and Collins being the same sort of Republican that Sanders is a democrat. And I had forgotten about Romney's burning hatred for Trump.
But that still makes it 50-50, which Pence breaks.
The only real question is how much muck raking to the republicans allow?
After Kavanaugh, were I a senator on the judiciary committee, I would vote against any (D) witness on principle.
If they turn 3, Pence is tiebreaker. If they turn 4, he can't cast a vote.
Murkowski has already stated that, "in interests of fairness", she will not vote on a nominee before the Election.
Which only means her price hasn't been met yet, plata o plomo.
She said the same thing we voted to keep ObamaCare.
Fine, we'll give Alaska independence, if Hawaii takes the same deal.
What about WV Sen Manchin? WV LOVES Trump. Didn't Manchin vote for Kavanaugh?
That's going to be one messy abortion, Ken.
Trump may not win re-election - but he'll certainly have his revenge!
"President Donald Trump has already appointed two justices to the Supreme Court during his first term—Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh ... "
One of my favorite Shikha Dalmia pieces is her October 2016 classic Trump Will Torch the Supreme Court. Like everything Ms. Dalmia writes, it has held up amazingly well. Indeed, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have been instrumental in Drumpf's efforts to literally transform this country into The Handmaid's Tale.
We cannot afford another Drumpf appointee on the Court. RBG's seat must remain vacant until President Biden names a suitable replacement.
What if our racist proletariat and the racist Russians steal the election again, this time by forging votes from Latinos and blacks so that Trump gets reelected with false votes from so-called minorities? Then who will replace the notorious RPG?
Im going to enjoy every novel legal theory demanding
judicial appointments be held off getting played by the democrats and the establishment media over the next few months. As a good friend of mine quipped that "unprecedented" will be cnn's new favorite word...
Who knew a pandemic would come in so dang handy.
I don't wish to speak ill of the death (too much), but RBG knew she was physically unfit to serve at least 6 months ago, if not earlier. She should have resigned and given the president and congress time to consider a replacement.
Should Trump should "play fair", even after impeachment was revealed as a hit job by his enemies? How many people died because of New York? If Trump did Trump things on nominating a replacement, I'm not going to be all upset by it.
It goes back further than just 6 months ago.
She was advised to retire while Obama was president, but she refused. Then she felt safe because it was T against H, and there’s no way T beats H, right? And it turns out she couldn’t beat time.
This is the bed she made for Democrats years ago. Now they’re going to have to lie in it.
A court with 6 conservative justices.
Perhaps now we might get some meaningful fun cases in, and we might even get some national retribution against governors who’ve fucked their states over during CV.
5.5
Roberts certainly isn't reliable
While you're right, 5.5 out of 9 is good enough.
5. He's totally compromised on anything that matters.
Not if it's going the other way regardless. His whole shtick is to play politics in order to try to make it look like SCOTUS isn't playing politics. If conservatives get a hard majority, I don't know what he'll do, but it'll be a different game.
He'll do whatever gets him kudos on the front page of the WaPo.
Not Heller or Macdonald.
"She was advised to retire while Obama was president, but she refused. Then she felt safe because it was T against H, and there’s no way T beats H, right?"
Just couldn't resist the idea of the photo op of holding the Bible as the first female President was sworn in. I'm glad she couldn't.
She knew she was living on borrowed time for over 10 years. She could have been replaced with a liberal justice by Obama, if she was interested in a smooth transition.
For the left, she chose to be selfish.
This is kind of where I’m at.
She could have avoided controversy, but chose instead to play really bad odds.
"After election day" is not "After inauguration day".
Without Murkowski and Collins the R still hold the day in the senate. So they have to peel of 1 more.
And there is no way they would hold a final vote before the election anyway.
I disagree.
I bet there’s a nominee confirmed in record time.
Even "end of November" would be record time.
John Roberts was confirmed in 19 days. That' s 10/6, if a candidate were offered today.
Longest confirmation was Louis Brandeis at 125 days.
S/he gets a nomination vote before the Election. No doubt. The Rs may not win it, but they'll get their vote.
And unlike McCain, who could safely torpedo things knowing a higher power was going to be grabbing him very shortly, Romney, Murkowski, Collins, and anyone else, have to live with the consequences of being intransigent here.
Bigger concern is an even number of justices before an election likely to lead to major lawsuits is a nightmare scenario waiting to happen.
Again, the new justice would have to be seated before the election litigation reaches SCOTUS to hear oral arguments and vote. That will require confirmation not long after the election at the latest. The court will have to fast track the cases or risk an actual constitutional crisis.
Interesting that everyone is playing this as "get out the vote to defeat trump and save Roe V Wade".
This takes that off the table. Trump will get a nominee approved. And that's the end of the issue, unless a Biden win actually means packing the court or assassinating the only Black jurist.
Breyer is 82. The issue of an additional SCOTUS justice is still very much on the table.
Yeah.. from that point of view... but if RvW is your issue... it is either over, or it isn't, after this nominee. Replacing Breyer might make things worse for the RvW crowd, but that would just take it from 5-4 to 6-3. Or 7-2 if Roberts follows form and goes with the majority "for the sake of the reputation of the court".
After replacing Breyer, assuming
JoeJill Biden loses in November, SCOTUS is locked for a quarter-century.Breyer will die soon too. Thomas hopefully will retire so Trump can replace him too.
Trumps legacy will be increased by a 6-3/7-2 SCOTUS non-Lefty makeup for decades.
Hopefully Thomas holds on longer than RBG, until his dying breath.
"unless a Biden win actually means packing the court or assassinating the only Black jurist."
Totalitarianism = by any means necessary
Seriously. Just look at what they've done in 2020 alone, not to mention the years preceding it.
Trump loses, liberty dies
"And that’s the end of the issue, unless a Biden win actually means packing the court"...
I think they will do just that, if they think they must.
Understand, I think we're not very far from extrajudicially killing each other. Hunting each other down in our homes, and killing all who dwell within. It is absolutely fucking terrifying.
Considerations of decorum, comity, and fair play are going right out the window. I hope we can preserve our country, our Union, our way of life and culture, and get back to arguing about trivialities.
The left has declared war on the country.
Only option is to fight back, or submit.
Fight back? From a PC in your mom’s basement. On a commentariat that largely agrees with you? Go get em tiger. Lol.
You're just really not intelligent.
Your "son" get drafted yet?
http://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330?s=19
If they even TRY to replace RBG we burn the entire fucking thing down.
Haha, that tweet got ratioed into oblivion.
Aslan better stick to his deep-blue urban havens from now on; I don't think he realizes that he just put a giant-ass target on his back. Maybe the dude will end up getting party-vanned and launched by trebuchet from Kuwait across the Iranian border.
Yea, if he was the only one.
It's pretty much the entire left saying literally the same thing.
Oh I'm fairly confident they'll pack it to thirteen. That should give them enough to ensure a majority for some time. They don't play the long game and I'm unsure the people will remember long enough which will allow them to get away with it. SCOTUS will be 50 people before we know it. Nobody cares.
"SCOTUS will be 50 people before we know it"
That's not actually a terrible idea.
NPR reports that the justice told her granddaughter that "my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."
Of *course*.
And Fox reports that the justice told her granddaughter that "my most fervent wish is that I will not be buried until a new president is installed."
Instead of the beatification the left has been working over the last half-decade, they should have been livid that she clung to power instead of resigning during an Obama administration. I guess she assumed a Clinton win would mean she got to pick her successor, but it was a huge miscalculation for those who view the Supreme Court as nothing more than a political trump card.
They are angry on the Twitter. Very angry.
Who is angry, and at what?
This is absolutely a bed entirely of RGB’s making. She had every opportunity to retire when it would be favorable. It’s anything but for the left right now. She gambled and lost.
"...She had every opportunity to retire when it would be favorable. It’s anything but for the left right now. She gambled and lost."
And she made it clear she was doing her best to hang on now in the hopes that Trump wouldn't get the nomination.
Screw her with Jeff's dick.
Get the crane out. Gonna have to lift some flabs.
Look for the spot where the urine drips.
The left is angry at her for not retiring under Obama.
They should be, EIR.
She is beyond anyone's criticism now. If it makes them feel better, I've no doubt she suffered terribly, being preserved in the hope of a Trump defeat. It must have been agonizing: all of that chemo, all of those surgeries, the radiation---at a time when she should have been pampered by her loved ones and surrounded by her loving progeny at home.
Instead, she chose to endure, at Walter Reed. I can respect that, and recognize the terrible toll her status enabled her to suffer. You or me? They'd have made hospice arrangements five years ago. Her? They'd pour everything they had into keeping her alive, and damn the cost.
I'm glad it's over.
The left thought Hillary would win. So did RGB.
"angry on the Twitter"
And this is new...how, exactly?
Normally they are angry at THE BAD OTHER PEOPLE. This time they are angry at one of their own who they spent the last few years memeing about.
Lefties hoped memes and notorious RbG fluff articles would keep her alive.
Failure!
As Lex Luthor responded, "and I wanted a pony tail. Disappointment abounds."
Cremation is always an option.
"...but Republicans would need significant support in the Senate for a confirmation to occur. Already, that seems unlikely—and that's probably for the best."
Sorry, not seeing that as being 'for the best'.
Country's already ripping itself apart. If the Repubs shove a nominee through, the country rips itself further. If they don't, and the Dems win, maybe it's calmer...although the Dems probably try to pack the court and things get shittier. My best case scenario would be Trump holding off on actually nominating someone, winning in a landslide, and then the country finally regaining its sanity.
Which didn't happen in my timeline, but hey, it's...possible? Cautious optimism I guess?
"Cautious optimism I guess?"
I'd like to smoke some of your "cautious optimism."
It's cheap-ass peppermint schnapps. Are you SURE you want to try lighting that on fire?
You must have cast-iron innards, if you can tolerate a level of schnapps which gives you such...optimism.
I just think that if Trump somehow manages to pull a popular + electoral win with a non-negligible level of support from blacks/Latinos, the Democrats will have to stop doubling down on the stupid.
Alternatively, Antifa invades a few black neighborhoods and beats the crap out of some black people for "not voting the right way, racists" and then the world goes even more stupid. But hey, I don't know anything anymore.
The way it looks, Team D has set the stage for weeks of drama. Mail in ballot madness. I don't see an electoral landslide. No, the replacement for RBG needs to be put on the bench before January 20, 2021.
The Democrats have assured us... no matter what it looks like on election night, after their legal teams are finished, it will indeed be an electoral landslide.
Trump in a landslide bringing unity? They are threatening riots.
Dems win = calmer? No way. The far left authoritarian Marxists hate the more moderate establishment Democrats. They have already said "liberals get the bullet too." If the Democrats win, the far left will still be rioting, just against the Democrats who are pandering too hard to the race baiters to actually stop the rioting. We will get violence and strife no matter what happens because the nation has been on an economically unsustainable path for several decades now. Not even Trump can stop it with "law and order" because the real problem is "debt and currency devaluation."
Yes, that's one real problem.
The main problem is psychotic leftism and the amount of power it wields
"Country’s already ripping itself apart. If the Repubs shove a nominee through, the country rips itself further. If they don’t, and the Dems win, maybe it’s calmer..."
Yeah, the left said if Trump was elected, there would be more violence.
Trump was, the left became more violent.
I don't do extortion...
"I don’t do extortion…"
Me neither.
And not peacefully splitting off, either. Europe is that way, you fucks. They'll tolerate your Marxist bullshit there. You don't get this land. Not after so much blood was spilt to win it.
Word
yeah, if you reelect Trump, he'll incite even more violence.
The ripping apart continues either way. May as well put someone reasonable on the court before the Dems take power.
Can't wait to see mcconnell and graham tie themselves into knots trying to justify rushing a nominee a few weeks before the election.
It’s literally what every senator does on a daily basis.
Yeah, they don't have to justify anything. They are just being partisans. They had the power 4 years ago. They have the power now.
Obama blew it by going all in on "elections have consequences" and refusing to work across the aisle at all. He even convinced republican lawmakers to come to the white house to discuss "healthcare" after the bill was written, then refused to actually engage at all with issues raised.
Had he even tried at all to reach across the aisle , Graham, McCain and a handful of other senate creatures would have gladly worked with him. That would have paid off with the Garland nomination.... he would have been able to call them up and make a deal on a nominee.
As it was, they stuck it up his rear end. They will have absolutely no qualms about ramming through their own choice on their way out of power - either through the next election or two, or through old age. This is a legacy builder that will last a decade or more.
"...Obama blew it by going all in on “elections have consequences” and refusing to work across the aisle at all..."
That and blowing his attempt to sabotage Trump's campaign through the FBI; naked power grab, and lost.
I am absolutely gobsmacked that Team (R) has refused to even "go there" with that. It was a naked attempt to block the peaceful transfer of power - the only such event in US history - and the best they can do is a bit of mewling from a few back benchers. Even the administration seems bent on burying the corpse and moving on as if nothing happened.
And we are looking to re-install one of the people who was in the room for the decision making process?
I want to change my answer.... I'm going with we are crazy.
"I am absolutely gobsmacked that Team (R) has refused to even “go there” with that..."
Being a firm believer that people act in their own best interest, but also not willing to accept cupidity where stupidity will suffice, I can only conclude that there were many hands in that cookie jar.
Similarly, how did the hag avoid indictment for destroying subpoenaed evidence?
And the Dems reversing themselves. Glad we have a choice between two crooked parties with no principles
Giant Douche!!
Shit sandwich!!
I can't wait to see the progressives complain about other people being insufficiently honest.
how so? what are you talking about, dullard?
If you wanted them to be virtuous, maybe it shouldn't have been called the SIN-ate.
I'm very sorry. I'll... show myself out.
A few weeks? It's 4 months until Inauguration Day. Can't leave the Court seat vacant that long.
Of course not! It was only a vacant seat for 14 months after Scalia. Imagine the horrible things that might happen if its vacant four months!
Because it's the last chance to avoid a civil war?
The "mcconnell rule" (which was apparently Biden rule at first) doesn't apply here.
2020: The Novel. I can’t wait to see what happens in chapter 10. My bet is either first contact with extraterrestrials, or volcanos erupting on the San Andreas in SoCal.
Plot twist: extra terrestrials erupt from the volcanoes... which I guess would make them sub terrestrials, though they probably came from outer space and burrowed into the magma without anyone noticing
MOLE people, people who erupt from MOLES!
Not to be confused with 'MOLE people, who hog all the guacamole dip! FUCK 'MOLE people!
You leave the goddess Tracy Wolfson out of this!
"Chthonians. The Deep Ones are terrified of them..."
If the Real Big One cracks the I-5 corridor into the sea, I wouldn't be any less surprised at that than I would be anything else that's happened this year.
And if California slides into the ocean
Like the mystics and statistics say it will
I predict this motel will be standing until I pay my bill.
Anyone have 'Cascadia lets go with a 9.0+', on their 2020 Apocalypse Bingo card? A repeat of Fort Tejon, somewhere more populated, would be about as bad.
Just like the old gypsy woman said!
Here's the New York Times announcing the death of Roger Taney in 1864. It's comparatively balanced considering the context - more balanced than the Times' forthcoming grief-a-palooza for Ginsburg is likely to be.
https://nyti.ms/3mCBh4f
The Federal government was responsible for a whole lot less then. But not for long...
I read the NYT obituary.
It was actually quite good. Certainly more approving because of her politics, but it wasn’t over the top “We heart-ed RGB!“ as one wound think.
There's a paywall if I get too far after 1864.
ABC has gone from "Ginsburg was the greatest woman ever to live" to "Republicans are cynical and evil" to "this will swing the election for Biden and sweep the senate" and just landed on "if they do this, calls for Biden to expand the court will become overwhelming, since this will be 2 seats on the court that republicans stole from them".... all in the last 15 minutes.
But I was told the media doesn’t carry their water.
The media doesn't carry the Democrats' water, they just drink their piss.
Wife is channel surfing... obsessed with this news. Every channel is swapping between "Ginsburg was the greatest woman of all time" and using words to describe Trump and the Republicans like "cynical", "extreme", "opportunistic", "exploit", "dark vision", "hypocritical", "unprecedented". One guy even said it was "unbelievable that the Republicans would seek to exploit her death when her dying wish was that she not be replaced by this president".
Every channel is sputtering about trying to find the anti-Trump narrative. They are simultaneously angry that he has not come forward to announce his plans for her replacement and angry that he has plans for her replacement. It is really bizarre.
Current coverage is probably 75% election impact and anti-Trump. Pretty nasty way to discuss the recently departed... but she was the most overtly political supreme court justice. (which is pretty tough when you have Kagan on the court)
"...They are simultaneously angry that he has not come forward to announce his plans for her replacement and angry that he has plans for her replacement. It is really bizarre..."
And if Trump wins, the election-night coverage will be worthy of several books. And YT vids.
Right after he won in 2016, there was some minimal introspection, by the press, admitting that they perhaps had focused on those in their bubble and ignored those who elected him.
Lasted about until inauguration as I recall, when "THE RUSSKIS!!!!" bullshit started. Since then, we've gotten 3+ years of "WE KNOW BEST!" And ignoring those who are holding their noses.
To be fair, this was like a Democrat nightmare scneario. There's now a very real chance that they can take the presidency and both houses and STILL not turn the US into a socialist dystopia because SCOTUS will block them.
They will pack the court.
2020 is do or die
I have been to all the networks. At least ABC, NBC, CNN, PBS and MSNBC are talking positively about packing the court. Or at least not dismissively or derisively.
We don't have an honest media in this country. We like to say "the media is biased" all the time and it's become something we just say and assume, but they really exposed themselves as hacks in the Trump era.
CNN has an anchor whose brother is a governor. A case could be made they shouldn't be involved in interviews on certain subjects. Not only does one Cuomo interview the other, but he lobs him softball questions, uses a giant Q tip as a comic prop, and doesn't grill him about stupid decisions that led 33 thousand people being killed in the state.
The media covered Charlottesville as if it was the return of Jim Crow. It lasted a few days and one lunatic not involved in the protest (the organizers obtained permits) drove a car into the crowd. To this day the media blames Trump for not denouncing white supremacists.
Meanwhile, they ignore nationwide unrest that burned parts of the cities to the ground. They position themselves right in front of burning buildings and insist the protests are peaceful. Peaceful protests. 97% of the protests were nonviolent, so it must be peaceful. Antifa literally means anti fascist, so they can't be morally condemned. Needless to say, Trump rallies, tea party demonstrations, and Charlottesville were not called "peaceful protests".
This rag right here (in serous decline, IMO) is very much a part of the problem. They ignore every bit of new revelations on the impeachment that confirm suspicions that it was indeed a soft coup attempt, a hit job. Any case built primarily on whistleblower account and a biased prosecution team is so obviously unfair to the defendant. And eventually the FBI was caught lying. "But impeachment isn't due process" is some sort of weird TDS for an organization that's supposed to be dedicated to reason.
It ain't stealing if you follow the rules.
It's not against the rules to pack the court.
Don't let this one nomination overshadow all the still open positions on all the lower courts.
One of the best reasons for voting for Trump was the judiciary.
What this WILL do is refocus the spin on the power of the judicial nominations. Basement Bunker Biden will HAVE to come out with his list of potential nominees, and let the debates begin!
That would actually be a great strategy for Biden. Nominate his replacement now.
He probably will do that. It would be a really sharp move.
Obama moved into acting like he was already the president as election day neared. It is a good form of persuasion.
If Biden doesn't announce his pick and make it a center leftist, it will cost him dearly.
"Obama moved into acting like he was already the president as election day neared. It is a good form of persuasion."
I remember, seeing and gagging, his pressers behind a lectern labeled "Office of the President Elect".
Fuck you, you lefty scumbag.
Fake it till you make it bro.
Yup. When Bush announced TARP, Obama came out and gave a press conference explaining how he had decided what to do. He completely ignored the actual sitting president and just pretended that Bush keeping him in the loop for the good of the country was identical to him being in charge. And nobody in the press said a word.
That shit was so cringe. What a dork.
I dunno. There was a Biden ad on YT last week promising cheaper medical care and meds for everyone, because stuff!
His ads are actually really good. They bear little relationship to reality... but they are good. The idea to use short clips of him making a speech is brilliant. He's not making speeches or doing appearances... but it sure looks like it with the footage they cut up.
I give the campaign full marks for their TV work.
without a functioning press to call them out on the stuff that is astonishingly counterfactual, it is probably pretty effective too.
Who watches campaign ads?
Most Americans even have cable or tv anymore.
They’re all over youtube.
I actually decided to pay the YouTube tax so I can avoid all of the BS advertisements.
I watch YouTube every bit as much as Netflix or whatever else.
Adblock is free, at least on desktop.
Doesn't work on those ads.
He gonna propose Obama
It is certainly possible that most people do not see the cut/copy/paste format of his ads, and it is certainly helpful to him that no one in the 'press' is willing to ask any questions.
I don't watch a lot of TV; they come across to me as scripted, 'posed', 'artificial', 'jerky', certainly lacking in detail. Perhaps that's not uncommon; being in CA I don't see a lot of Trump ads. Why would he waste money, regardless of Jeff's ludicrous claims up-thread?
In November, we will get an answer to whether ignoring all those fly-over folks is a better strategy than it was in 2016.
Biden's ads are terrible. His first one promised a national mask mandate.
On "relationship to reality" they are insane.
But they are quite effective. He issues Obama-style meaningless platitudes like "I will protect this country" with great passion - mustered for anywhere from a half sentence to 3 sentences. They are obama style Rorschach tests, where there are zero specifics and no real policy is articulated, but it sounds like he is in favor of something you are in favor of.
It is good political stuff... And it stands out from all the local "slow motion footage with movie announcer voice over" political ads.
Ditto for our state's Senate candidate. Her ads run like a dream. She epitomizes everything the democrats want to look like, IMHO. McConnell's run the same way, but only if you off the volume; they really bring out the positive attributes of the Democrat. She hits great, I mean you would want her PR crew if they could achieve like results; but she doesn't belong in the Senate IMO.
If she really wants to fight for our state and win, then why doesn't she go out and get our highways and roadways this product:
https://www.thebetterindia.com/71249/nemkumar-bhantia-iit-thondebavi-self-repair-roads/
"Well you see, I have a list. A list, of names. A lot of names. Now my first name, that's Corn Pop. He's this guy I knew way back when, when I was getting my leg hairs touched in the sun by little boys. And little girls. I didn't discriminate against the little girls when it came to my leg hairs. So if any of the children wanted to touch them they could. I actually offered to let Corn Pop touch them–this was after we became friends, not when I swung a chain at his head–but he refused. Said it wouldn't be right, touching another man's leg hairs. Not sure what he meant by that, seeing as I'd've touched his leg hairs if he wanted me to, but he never asked so I never did. Either way I think he'd be a real good nominee, since he knows–he knows what life is on the streets. My next one, I'm thinking that yellow guy on my TV. Not–not the Asian guy. You know, looks like *does stretchy eyes thing with his fingers* and he's gay and he was on that space show. As a gay robot or something. Han Sulu. Yeah, Han Sulu. He's not the nominee. The other one. The one the kids love, with the blue eyes. Spingebab or something. And uh, and uh, and my other nominee I'm thinking the black guy from the basketballs. Kwame Leonard. You know, I got this advisor, everyone's nicknamed him Weboo–don't know why, maybe he's scared of ghosts, or he likes that show about ghosts. You know the one. It had that guy with the, the neckerchief on it. He was blonde, and the lesbian with glasses constantly went off with him and the other one for threesomes? Yeah, anyway, I think this Weboo guy likes this show, and he told me Kwame means "cute" in like the native–eh, I don't know what to call it, that Africa language. I didn't know Africans had a–pardon me, they like, like to be called uh, Afro-cans, yeah, the Afro-cans, apparently they have a word for cute. Anyway that's my nominees. Let's see, let's see uh that guy. The one in the whitehouse, yeah. That uh, that Iggy Pop guy, he's gonna–he's gonna be mighty pissed, I've got the best–the best–hey, there's my daughter! She was on that show, the one with the guy, you know, the bald one, always loses, and also there's like this chick who everyone hates. Hi Kramer! He's my husband."
Your world's Biden is much more coherent than ours
Fire tonight. Straight fire.
Good. She was terrible for the country, twisting the Constitution to her will and helping to usher in the madness that exists in modern politics. All the garbage championed by the left, including the lockdowns and riots and cancel culture, all made possible by this woman’s malfeasance.
Hopefully she is replaced by Monday by a constitutionalist.
Well this development ends the whole cutsie Lincoln republican crap....this completely closes the ranks now
Starting to see a bunch of mourners already violating social distancing; too dark to see if have on the nationally mandated "vote for Harris" masks.
she disrespected the Court when she basically started her own marketing department about herself the last decade or so
IMO, there was nothing to like about the woman personally, and much to dislike in policy decisions.
RBG should have retired years ago. She hung on hoping for a new democrat president. This shows how political and unacceptable she was for the supreme court. I hope she is replaced by Amy Barrett and her liberal legacy dies with her.
Anything you hear from democrats at this point will be nonsense, so ignore it. They are irrational fools.
When the Senate Republicans invoked some imaginary "Biden Rule" in the last year of the Obama administration, I said that they would regret it. I said that they should have just admitted that, since they controlled the Senate, they were just not going to confirm before the election. Just be honest. Its politics, bot beanbag. Now, all their sanctimonious bullshit is going to be thrown right back into their faces. Of course, who really cares? If Trump doesn't nominate someone until after the election, are the press and Democrats (I know) going to give him any credit? Any at all? So why not force a third Supreme through before a very close election? Would there be any campaign value to keeping the seat open? Data suggests that the Supreme Court opening was an important factor in Trump's 2016 win.
Upon what moral ground are democrats accusing republicans of anything? They routinely ram through legislation and their model president funded a healthcare program and formed a treaty with a terrorist nation without congressional approval. This year they engineered a soft coup attempt.
The "mcconnell rule" has been standard for a while.
https://pjmedia.com/columns/tyler-o-neil/2020/09/19/3-reasons-mitch-mcconnell-is-not-a-hypocrite-for-considering-trumps-potential-rbg-replacement-n944776
McConnell did not just adopt this more nuanced position from whole cloth for 2020, either. During his first press conference on the issue in February 2016, the Senate majority leader explained, “You’d have to go back to 1888 when Grover Cleveland was in the White House to find the last time a Senate of a different party from the president confirmed a nominee for the Supreme Court in an election year.”
While President Ronald Reagan nominated Justice Anthony Kennedy and the Democratic-majority Senate confirmed him in 1988, that Supreme Court vacancy opened six months beforehand, in 1987. Reagan nominated Robert Bork and the Senate defeated that nomination. Then Reagan nominated Douglas Ginsburg and Ginsburg withdrew.
Sure she did. I am absolutely certain that in her last days she told her granddaughter that she wanted the president who succeeds Trump to appoint her replacement. Because the USSC could just sit there with a vacancy for up to 4 years.
Installed was a choice word too. Not elected. Installed.
Good eye
I will say though that, IMO, Trump should get all his ducks in a row but not actually drop a nomination until after the election.
1. He's already appointed two.
2. He's far more likely than not to win anyway. Especially since Harris-Biden is now shifting to talking like what a political analyst thinks people in the Midwest are like.
He can nominate, then the ball is in the Senate's court.
Obviously, there should be coordination.
Thinking about it some more - maybe not.
We need an odd number to prevent deadlocks in the case of election chicanery.
I think it would be right to wait.
1: It's only fair given what happened with Gorsuch
2: it gives the people a chance to decide whom they want
3: Do we really want a repeat of the Kavanaugh hearings in the middle of the election?
1. True, but fairness was thrown out the window with, at the very least, Obamagate
2. In theory - in reality, the Left's fraud and totalitarian intent doesn't do "what the people want"
3. Look around - wtf do you think has been going on?
"2: it gives the people a chance to decide whom they want"
This is (barely) a republic; mob rule is to be ignored.
No, the Democrats already established that it was wrong to put the kibosh on the Garland nomination. No games with this one, just a quick vote.
I disagree, Ben. The saying, "Strike while the iron is hot" is especially apropos. No, you need to get the Justice confirmed and seated while you have a POTUS and a Senate. Remember, that is a two-part deal.
Besides, this will be exhibit# 23,839 on how POTUS Trump will absolutely deliver on what he says. I see this as galvanizing his base. It might really suck for Team R incumbents running for re-election.
You have to replace RBG with a rock-solid Originalist.
HIlariously, if Trump gets re-elected, its not impossible that he would be replacing Breyer also.
Reagan's the last one to appoint 4 justices.
Thomas is getting up there too. He might even be responsible enough to retire before he dies. Dude seems to be the rare man of principle.
There is no reason to wait even a week. There are cases related to the election winding their way to the Supreme Court right now.
Leaving a vacancy is a violation of a presidential duty. And he could suppress criticism by pointing to the Constitution; “I have to nominate. It’s my job.”
It’s also politically stupid, because the President can use a nomination as an opportunity to further appeal to undecided voters by the person he selects.
"There are cases related to the election winding their way to the Supreme Court right now."
That is an excellent point. Further, anyone think there won't be a dozen individual state election cases a la Bush v. Gore, that are going to come out of this election mess? They need a 9th vote, just to move these cases along.
Are we sure she's dead? And why can't they just continue to prop her corpse up on the bench like they've been doing?
But all you saps claiming the Senate is going to ram through a Trump-nominated replacement are on drugs - Collins, Murkowski and Romney are automatic votes against consideration and there's at least half-a-dozen other RINO Senators up for re-election who read the NYT and WaPo and worry about what the media have to say about them and the "fairness" issue of considering a nominee this close to the election.
Those same RINOs face just as much danger opposing Trump's choice in this situation. Trump is already talking about how this court is going to determine how 2A and Roe v Wade are interpreted. He is going to hammer home just how important it is that he be the one who gets to choose the next justice.
Guns are a massive issue this time around thanks to all the rioting. Record sales, 40% of which were new buyers. Even moderate districts are going to take 2A very seriously, opposing the nomination of a justice that will defend it is politically dangerous.
Lots of virtue-signaling tears on MSNBC as I type this. Schadenfreude is beautiful.
MAGA!
My Amazing Gaping Anus!
Gross. Feels bad to share a forum with you.
Be careful man, he might come at you with his legendary "poor X" retort. Dude's always been pathetic, like lil' mikey, AS, jeff, etc.
Funny how the media if fawning all over her versus Scalia. I wonder why? Far left Jew versus a Conservative Italian..oh I get it..its the media...they need to be called out once and for all..marxists and bolsheviks the lot of them..and haters of Catholics.
Blue-light special on tin-foil hats, aisle 6!
"At a time when America is deeply in need of a reminder that political disagreements need not transcend basic civility or mutual respect, their example should remain."
Hallelujah. Amen. Preach. Yes. Please.
What is civility when you can have brutal arguments with loved ones?
+Airing of Grievances, followed by Feats of Strength
Time to get the pole out of the crawl space!
RBG was in favor of the murder and dismemberment of unborn children, expansion of government control of American lives, and reduction of individual liberty.
What civility is required, beyond allowing her family a peaceful burial?
She was in favor of the government taking your stuff, if they could turn around and give it to someone who promised the government more tax revenue. Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005),
Rest in peace, but I'm glad she's gone.
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Well I have no doubt that Trump will nominate some base-pleasing right-winger forthwith and that the nominee will be confirmed by a pliant Senate immediately, and that the people around here who most claim to stick up for liberty will be amazingly pleased.
please post an actual argument next time, you are making a fool of yourself
That ship sailed way upthread
I ship it like UPS!
He can't help it; he is a fool. And too stupid to recognize that.
Look upthread where he suggests Trump will take the CA EC votes if only he nominates some brain-dead proggy, and not long after admits he is a TDS victim such that he'd never vote for Trump.
There is effective care available for TDS victims who really want to be cured, but none for the likes of Jeff.
I have no doubt you'll post bullshit about how he might have taken CA if only he nominated some brain-dead proggy and other steaming piles of lefty shit.
You weren't talking like this when Obama nominated Kagan.
Holy crap, if anyone ever proved that the Senate does not take "advice and consent" seriously, it was Kagan. She flat failed her exam, and they passed her along without objection. She basically promised not to follow the constitution, to allow government to grow in any direction that was in line with her politics, and to always look at things from a partisan point of view. And everyone was like "sounds great!"
And then turned around and ruled on legislation she helped craft. Judicial ethics? LOL.
I'm sure whoever Trump nominates, people will still have the stones to argue they're unqualified, while saying nothing about Kagan's lack of qualifications for the job.
If McConnell hadn’t been such an ass after Scalia died refusing to hold a hearing for Merrill Garland he wouldn’t look like such a huge disparate hypocrite today. I doubt he’d pull it off but if he does manage to confirm a trump appointee, this country is headed for civil war. Rest In Peace RGB. Thank you for an inspiring life.
A Civil War sounds like a walk in the park for all the good guys (and gals) with all their evil guns.
I doubt that. If California or NY don't want to live under the rule of the federal government, at this point, I think conservatives would just let them leave peacefully.
RGB, an authoritarian at heart; someone who discarded judicial principles for political expediency; someone who will be remembered as having done massive damage to the future of the country and the future of minorities and women in this country.
New York won't leave. Yankees want to run the country.
Washington, Oregon and California will leave to form Leftopia. Conservatives in those states will flee to Idaho, Nevada and Arizona.
Yes, but they aren't the kind of people to do so by force anymore. More likely, the Acela corridor will just form its own little corner, claim that they are still the only legitimate government of the US, but their delusions of grandeur can be safely ignored.
McConnell warned the Democrats that they would come to regret breaking senate rules to change the rules on court approvals. He warned them that it might be sooner than they think.
They should just play that on a loop.
This is the Democrat vision for the Senate, not the McConnell vision. He warned them not to go down this road, and they did it anyway, sneering at him as they did so.
And now, it will be like an ice-pick to the brain for Team D. I am convinced that history is going to look back at McConnell as the most influential Senate Majority Leader of the 21st century, maybe even of the last century. This guy is scary smart.
Nah, this won't kill them. It'll just stun em for a bit. Think of it like the old Star Trek, Next Generation shows, when they hit a Borg with a phaser. It shook them for a second until they adjusted.
The Court gets packed when the Democrats gain the Presidency and Senate. That may not happen in 2020. It likely will by 2028. Demographics is destiny, and the increasing cohort in this country votes D 2 to 1.
I do not know, and I strongly doubt, that we can solve our differences with voting for much longer. I hope I'm wrong.
The left doesn't believe in personal responsibility or facing consequences.
They resort to violence, and threats of violence, because they expect the rest of us to just take it and cower in fear.
They literally cannot conceive of people fighting back.
They are full psychotic, and they will ultimately force our hand.
Kill or be killed.
any justice that allows a hollywood movie be made about herself while still sitting on the Court deserves no respect
Some of that Democrat good will:
“If they even TRY to replace RBG we burn the entire fucking thing down.”
https://twitter.com/rezaaslan/status/1307107507131875330
You've been there, done that. All you ever seem to accomplish is hurt yourself. So knock yourself out.
Trump was way more gracious and respectful toward her than Barry was toward Scalia..all Barry could do was that stupid smirk on his face
Because Barry had him killed.
Like Scalia was in great health. The guy croaked of a heart attack when he was damned near 80, and fat. Yeah, the inquest was a little shady, or shoddy, but that's far more likely because he died out in Bumfuck, West Texas, rather than because Barack had him whacked.
Unfiltered..
Watch how "literally Hitler" reacts as he is hit with the announcement of the death of RBG.
Notice how nakedly partisan his response is. Notice how he lacks in empathy. Notice how he immediately can think of nothing but his chance to pack the court.
Listen to the sensitive and respectful questions shouted from the press.
Watching psychological projection play out in real time is one of the only benefits of this alternate reality I have been trapped in.
No way I'm wading and waddling through over 300 comments.
Don't any of you work?
What's the gist?
Bro, it's nighttime. Everybody with day jobs is off now.
He's Canadian - its night there for 9 months out of the year so he doesn't understand.
Jeff is claiming that if Trump nominates a proggy, CA will vote for him.
Most everyone else id curious regarding who will get nominated.
Tony, trueman and associated lefty shits seem to be waiting for their marching orders.
I'm cheering.
Best Case Fantasy:
1) T nominates proggy
2) T wins CA!
Both utterly stupid to actually think, but it’s a fantasy.
3) McConnell has delayed the vote until after the election.
4) Senate rejects the nominee.
5) T nominates someone worthy.
6) Senate confirms.
Lots of pockets were torn off shirts.
Judging by that pic she doesn't seem to be aware she's dead.
so does her estate sell her Marketing Dept and Movie Division together or separately?
Get more if you break both departments up and sell them off piecemeal.
Speaking to an Egyptian TV interviewer, the Supreme Court justice caused jaws to drop when claimed that she would not recommend the U.S. Constitution as a model for Egypt’s new government.
The problem, you see, is that the U.S. Constitution is “a rather old constitution.” Ginsburg suggested that Egyptians should look instead to the Constitution of South Africa or perhaps the European Convention on Human Rights. All these are “much more recent than the U.S. Constitution.”
“I would not look to the US constitution, if I were drafting a constitution…” Justice Ginsberg said. “I might look at the constitution of South Africa. That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary… It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done.”
Oh
Em
Gee!
Fuck that hag with Jeff's dick.
She couldn't have participated in the drafting of the US Constitution because that would have required moral and personal qualities that she lacked.
Then as now, she would have been a Democrat, standing up for the power of government to oppress people, standing up for slavery.
She should have retired from her office when she knew that she was seriously ill. It was selfish and irresponsible of her to hang on to power until her death, just like McCain was.
“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.” –
Barry 0bama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor (January 23, 2009).
Would be funny if Trump quoted him at his second inauguration.
Only if it was immediately prior to Barr announcing the indictments that we all know will never come.
Save some tears for the next 3.
Whatever else you want to say about her she was a warrior. She fought for her convictions to the end. Never accepting or giving in. The Notorious RBG earned that. A brilliant legal mind with strength of spirit, dignity, and honor.
Z”L.
Not only that, but was a close friend of Justice Alito, who couldn't be more different than her opinion-wise.
so she was a Borg drone?....what made her brilliant legal mind?...provide a specific...what dignity?...she utterly lacked it...she started marketing herself as a cartoon character while on the Court
She also lived for 8 decades previous to her late life nonsense. Try reading about it.
still nothing there
And that dump I took this morning started out as a cow.
he was a warrior. She fought for her convictions to the end.
That's not admirable when she's on the wrong side. Bitch had utter contempt for my right to property and self-defense. You sound like the idiots who praise Rommel.
-jcr
The wrong side.
I am a libertarian. 99% of voters and most posters here oppose me. I do not think in left-right Republican-Democrat terms.
It does not make everyone else evil nor a Nazi. If I thought that way my life would be full of misery and hatred. There is evil and I am far from indifferent to it.
She was not Rommel. I do not agree with much of what she stood for but to say that is a falsehood. So far as property rights I have yet to see Democrats or Republicans do anything but erode those.
Self defense. Do you mean guns? Nobody has taken mine away. Not yet anyway.
Privacy and communications. Please. Those are not existent and from Bush on it has only become worse. Tik-Tok banning apps whatever. You see what is happening here. The government is taking away our choices.
Always focus on the individual.
Something she shares with Che, Stalin, Hitler, Castro, Mussolini, and many other famous leftists!
Exactly.
E seems impressed with stubbornness; there's more than enough of that around, too often attached to desires to cause harm to others.
Screw her with Jeff's dick.
And you.
I agree Echospinner.
Baruch Dayan Ha'Emet, Joan Ruth Bader-Ginsberg, t'hay nafshah tzrurah b'tzror hachaim.
I did not agree much with her political outlook or her judicial philosophy. Nonetheless, she accomplished a lot in her life. She was an amazing woman, and served this country with distinction.
Echospinner....L'Shanah Tovah. May 5781 be sweet and happy for you and your family.
Ruth Bader Ginsburg Is Dead
No, no, she's outside looking in
I had to laugh at that. Not many here will get the reference.
We are about to find out what spineless cunts Murkowski, Capito and Collins are. A libertarian who's anti voice is a libertarian.
Anti choice! I always proofread but reason changes it
Sure you do, genocider. Sure you do. That "anti-voice" thing wasn't a Freudian slip. Nope. Not at all. Not at all.
Sure ya inbred redneck. You're all fo freedom except what woen do with their bodies
Ok to kill mormons! They aren't people
Is it really a death when the lizzard body rejects the skin suit?
Her betrayal of Suzette Kelo is enough for me to say to hell with that goddamned egomaniac. Good fucking riddance.
-jcr
Don't expect a new justice to be confirmed before the election. Even after the election, it will be one hell of a fight, regardless of who wins the election for President.
The Republicans have the votes, and if Trump nominates that pro-life Catholic woman, the Democrats wouldn't dare try their standard bullshit sexual harassment lie to scuttle her.
-jcr
There will be a nuclear war in the Senate over POTUS Trump's nominee, regardless of who it is.
Oh, they'll try I'm sure, but the eleventh-hour sex scandal gambit has already failed them twice. If Trump nominates any female candidate, they're going to have a hell of a time coming up with a plausible objection to confirming her.
-jcr
There's nothing they can do but squawk.
Expect assassination attempts.
They already went to McConnell's house last night.
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"When Justice Antonin Scalia died in the summer of 2016, however, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.) infamously refused to consider the confirmation of a replacement until after that fall's presidential election."
Somewhat different this time, as that was an outgoing president, and there is a possibility that Trump will serve another term.
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She died surrounded by her family huh? I guess she was a leftist elite she gets the dignity to go surrounded by loved ones unlike the rest of the unwashed disease ridden masses.
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You just know that every single regular Reason staff writer was up all night long bawling their eyes out.
Eat a ginormous bag of dicks, bitches!!!
You just described Tony's supper plans.
Unfiltered..
https://mobile.twitter.com/yahoonews/status/1307127173644537857?s=10
Watch how “literally Hitler” reacts as he is hit with the announcement of the death of RBG.
Notice how nakedly partisan his response is. Notice how he lacks in empathy. Notice how he immediately can think of nothing but his chance to pack the court.
Listen to the sensitive and respectful questions shouted from the press.
Watching psychological projection play out in real time is one of the only benefits of this alternate reality I have been trapped in.
The comments. Oof. He can't win.
Oh, he's winning.
The left is already lost.
yes, he was far better than Barry when Scalia died
He showed a lot of class, particularly considering how snotty she always was to him.
-jcr
Send all the mormons to the gas chambers!
Let me be the first to humbly suggest Justice Don Willett as the nominee to replace. It would be like night followed by a bright new day!
That would be hilarious, but it's not happening. Doubt it'll happen either when Thomas retires. A pity. His opinions are usually concise and tightly reasoned.
It's going to be a woman
I agree, it will probably be Barrett.
And good luck to the scum on the left in trying to gin up a sexual assault accusation against her!
IIRC Barrett upheld gun ownership rights for nonviolent felons.
If she's nominated, expect that to get brought up in the usual nuanced and thoughtful way.
Collins will not vote for any Trump nominee, whether she some how manages to win re-election or not.
Murkowski said she will not vote not. Romney will be in same boat. What will Lady Graham do? He is on record saying no appointments during election cycle and he is in a dead heat for re-election. He can be a liar and Trump toady (again) or stand up for what he said before.
Are any Republican senators that lose re-election likely to do anything Trump wants between November and final recess? Lol.
It ain't happening Trumpkins
this actually helps others like McSally whose problem is the GOP base in AZ....sorry, intellectual dilettante...it is
Stilgar is just praying for someone to put him out of his misery
the Obama statement this morning...typical vacuous word salad...lol
Just days before Ginsburg's death, NPR reports that the justice told her granddaughter that "my most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed."
She was already dead.
Yeah, that sure doesn't sound like the way someone talks to their own family. "My most fervent wish is that.." is speechifying for the press, not what you say to your loved ones on your deathbed.
Either her granddaughter's a liar, or some NPC at NPR made it up.
-jcr
Who runs to the press to do an interview within minutes of learning of grandma's death? And every chanel had it within minutes.
Nah.... Seems a little bit much. The whole thing is very contrived.
Who talks like that on their deathbed except characters in a bad movie?
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the Left is freaking because once another conservative is on the court new commerce clause and new deal cases will be brought up...additionally the grand ling term Left project of finally writing welfare rights into the Constitution will have ended for 40 years
Actually, no, those cases won't be 'brought up'.
Courts don't dig up old decisions looking to overturn them. It would take a decade for an applicable case to wend its way through the lower courts before the SCOTUS took a look at it.
It doesn't matter if you filled the SCOTUS with televangelists - they can't rule on cases not before them. Without a case before them, they can't overturn precedent.
Without a case before them, they can’t overturn precedent.
IDK, plenty of conversations around these parts have been routed back to abortion by logic and means less torturous that 'penaltax'.
Sadly, I doubt she will be resting in peace. Her public approval of murdering innocent human beings in the womb is an abomination and a direct attack on God and His Commandment "Thou shall not kill." She, like all of us, will have to account for the decisions she made before Jesus Christ.
But its not actually a sin.
Also, she's Jewish.
Murdering babies isn't a sin?
Are you sure your nick isn't actually Abaddon or Asmodeus?
Also, she’s Jewish
Pretty sure she actually worshiped Moloch.
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ITT, Pedo Jeffy, aka Lying Jeffy (because he lies all the time), aka Fat Jeff (because he admitted he’s fat), argued down an entire thread about Joe Rogan, only to admit at the end he’s never even listened to him!
At least he’s an amusing liar.