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An Online Student Attended a Rooftop Party. He Was Reported to NYU and Suspended Indefinitely.

Universities are punishing kids for partying—after cashing their tuition checks, of course.

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It was a gorgeous August weekend in New York City, and Andy—a college senior at New York University (NYU)—decided to attend a rooftop social gathering with his roommates.

The party was consistent with New York City's Phase 4 COVID-19 guidelines, which allow events of up to 50 people. Many attendees went mask-less, but Andy says he didn't stand in close proximity to anyone other than his roommates—who are also students—and they left after a short while.

But unbeknownst to Andy—whose name has been changed for this article to protect his privacy—someone at the party posted a video of the event on social media. Andy never saw this video, but he knows that he was visible in it. The video was reported to NYU administrators via the university's COVID-19 compliance system. On Sunday, August 23—a day after the party—NYU Director of Student Conduct Craig Jolley sent an email to Andy accusing him of "threatening the health and safety of the NYU Community." By 5:00 p.m. on Monday, NYU had suspended him indefinitely: To return to campus in 2021, Andy will need to write a reflection paper and beg for readmission. Resuming his education might be impossible, anyway, since he relies on a full-tuition scholarship that is now threatened by his disciplinary status.

Andy thinks NYU treated him unfairly. It's hard to disagree. Importantly, he didn't actually put anyone on campus in danger, because he had no plans to set foot on NYU property: He lives off campus, and all his classes were online.

"I am not a student who will be staying at or near NYU housing, nor will I be entering Campus Grounds or NYU buildings as I am currently enrolled in all online courses," Andy wrote in his appeal of the decision.

The appeal was rejected.

***

The COVID-19 pandemic is a multifaceted disaster, casually crippling vast swaths of the U.S. economy, bringing social interaction to an unexpected and unprecedented halt, and of course, killing more than 200,000 Americans. The challenges are daunting for many people, organizations, and industries—U.S. higher education certainly among them.

Colleges and universities have adopted a wide variety of strategies. Some have decided that in-person instruction is simply impossible: In May, California State University (CSU) became the first to announce that the fall semester would be online-only. Earlier this month, CSU made the same call regarding the 2021 spring semester.

Many other universities, perhaps realizing that students will balk at paying full tuition for a series of glorified online tutorials, attempted to reopen in various stages and forms. But these reopenings were accompanied by tough restrictions on student social gatherings in dormitories, off-campus housing, and elsewhere. Evidently, administrators expected that students would be willing to come to class, learn, then hurry back to their residences—and stay there. At many campuses, near-perfect compliance with extreme social distancing requirements on the part of students was not merely a requirement, schools assumed they would comply.

"Everything we have done—the months of planning to give our students the opportunity to continue their educational pursuits in person—can be undone in the blink of an eye with just one party or event that does not follow the rules and guidelines," said Katie Sermersheim, Purdue University's dean of students, in a statement detailing the school's no-parties pledge.

Carl Bergstrom, a professor of biology at the University of Washington, likened Sermersheim's admission that non-universal compliance will destroy the strategy to "an evacuation plan that will work perfectly as long as the building isn't on fire."

"Why would anyone admit that their months of planning would collapse if students hold a single party?" he wondered on Twitter.

Universities that believe they can ban many or all social functions for students are essentially conducting an experiment that has been run many times, from the era of Prohibition to modern abstinence-only education. The results of this latest experiment are in, and they are familiar: Students will party, COVID-19 be damned.

The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, for instance, opened for in-person learning on August 10. By August 17, the school had decided to go online-only for the duration of the semester following a dramatic spike in coronavirus cases on campus. In an editorial, The Daily Tarheel, which reported numerous parties during the first weekend back at school, chided university leadership for failing to anticipate that students, "many of whom are now living on their own for the first time," would be reckless. "Reports of parties throughout the weekend come as no surprise," wrote the student editors.

The social gatherings are entirely unsurprising. But that's not because students are uniquely incautious. On the contrary, students are just like the rest of us—trying to manage risk while still living life, months beyond the point where most people expected they would be able to go back to normal. (Remember "15 days to slow the spread"?) These risks are not the same for all people—age and health status matter—and they are not equally significant in all circumstances—outdoor events are not indoor events. And people who take on some amount of risk do not always attract equal levels of moral condemnation. Assuming that virtually everyone would obey orders, not just to be more careful than usual, but to live a sad and isolated existence indefinitely—perhaps that was reckless.

Events resembling what happened at UNC have transpired on dozens of campuses, and hundreds of students have already suffered suspensions. Purdue kicked 36 kids off campus for partying without masks. St. Olaf College in Minnesota suspended 17. Syracuse University suspended 23. Northeastern University learned that a first-year student had conducted a poll asking classmates whether they intended to party, despite the school's restrictions. When more than 100 students responded in the affirmative, the pollster forwarded their names to administrators, who then threatened the students—and their parents—via email.

"You have displayed a disregard for health and safety measures, jeopardized our chances to keep our community safe, and increased the possibility that you and others—including your classmates—might not be able complete the semester," wrote the school, before demanding that they sign a pledge to improve their behavior.

Northeastern eventually suspended 11 students for partying. They will be allowed to return in the spring. Their tuition for the aborted fall semester—a whopping $36,500—will not be refunded.

***

Andy's financial hit is indirect but no less serious. His suspension is likely to result in the loss of his full-tuition scholarship, which means he would not be able to afford NYU, even if the administration lets him return. He also has a job offer with a bank that is contingent upon his successful graduation, he told Reason.

"I considered looking at legal action, though I might be out of my budget," he says. "I contacted a lawyer. She was just ball-parking some numbers and they seemed unreasonable."

Following their receipt of the social media video—emailed to covidcompliance@nyu.edu, the university's hotline for reporting noncooperation—NYU administrators accused Andy of violating three separate aspects of the student code of conduct: Policy B1, which prohibits "threatening" behavior that compromises health and safety; Policy E1, which prohibits "disorderly, disruptive, or antagonizing behavior that interferes with the safety, security, health or welfare of the community"; and Policy E3, which obligates students to follow the new COVID-19 guidelines when on campus.

"As you are likely aware, the University is responding swiftly and seriously to behaviors that threaten the health and safety of the NYU Community," wrote Jolley, the student conduct office director, in his initial email to Andy. Jolley did not respond to a request for comment on this article.

Andy was invited to plead his case on a Zoom call but was given just 24 hours to prepare for it. Jolley rendered his verdict swiftly: Immediately after the call, Andy says he was informed that he was suspended.

Andy was devastated.

"A suspension for me is more than just a semester," he says. "This adversely impacts my entire life."

The university was unmoved.

"Considering the importance of creating a safe environment during a global pandemic, the University will not tolerate conduct which intentionally and recklessly disregards the rules and threatens the health and safety of others," wrote Jolley. "Your behavior in this situation is unacceptable."

Was it? Reasonable people can debate—and are debating, all over the country—what level of risk is acceptable, for themselves and others. Many people believe the decision to open campuses at all is reckless: Students and faculty affiliated with the University of Georgia's educators' union, for instance, held a die-in protest on the school's lawn to oppose re-opening. Many educators with union protection expect to be paid, regardless of whether schools re-open, which gives them greater reason to lobby for additional delays. University administrators, on the other hand, probably realize that distance learning hurts their bottom line since it encourages customers—students and their parents—to explore other options. College reopening strategies around the country are based on profoundly misguided assumptions about human behavior.

Andy says he didn't put the health and safety of other students at risk—he lives off campus and takes all his classes online. He also thinks the COVID-19 rules, as written, only apply to people who are actually present on campus, or in NYU buildings.

Adam Steinbaugh, an attorney with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education, says Andy has a point.

"COVID-19 is not a computer virus, so unless this event involved a number of NYU students, any interest the university has in wielding its disciplinary procedures to deter the spread of COVID-19 among NYU students is pretty attenuated," Steinbaugh tells Reason. "It's hard to blame students for being surprised that this type of policy is being applied to their off-campus conduct."

Steinbaugh reviewed Andy's case at Reason's request (and with Andy's permission). He thinks NYU is overreacting, and unless the rooftop party was itself in violation of New York City's public health orders, it would be tough to justify the suspension.

"Universities appear eager to shift blame for ballooning COVID-19 infections to students," says Steinbaugh, who notes that the reflection paper assigned to Andy in hopes of gaining readmission is supposed to "focus on the role young people have played in the transmission of COVID-19 in the United States."

***

For now, Andy is trying to enroll in a different online college so that the semester is not a total waste.

"I've got to get some credit somehow," he says.

He regrets going to the party and says that it wasn't characteristic of how he has conducted himself during the pandemic.

"While it may not appear this way, I have been attempting to stay safe as best I can," he wrote in his appeal. "My attempt to seek some feeling of normalcy was nothing more than a snap decision and I cannot emphasize how much I have learned from this process."

Indeed, going back to school during a pandemic is proving to be an educational experience for everyone, including and especially the educators. School administrators are learning that they can't quite overcome students' natural inclinations—all they can do is process their tuition payments. The faster, the better, probably.

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      2. Typical socialist. Acting in a sanctimonious authoritarian manner. That is until someone censors you then you go blm/antifa on them.

    2. There will be many, many lawsuits when the smoke from this farce settles, and universities are set to be some of the biggest lovers. The emperor has no clothes.

      1. “…and universities are set to be some of the biggest lovers. The emperor has no clothes.”

        I hope they get loved tenderly by the courts. What complete garbage they’ve subjected this student to. For a disease that is only as dangerous as the flu for his age cohort.

  3. I’m an alum. Gotta figure out how to communicate my displeasure.

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  5. I think It’s clear we should forcibly take the endowments of every university in this country and disburse it as reparations.

    1. Especially since they are all so for it, let them pay for it.

  6. someone at the party posted a video of the event on social media. Andy never saw this video, but he knows that he was visible in it. The video was reported to NYU administrators via the university’s COVID-19 compliance system. On Sunday, August 23—a day after the party—NYU Director of Student Conduct Craig Jolley sent an email to Andy accusing him of “threatening the health and safety of the NYU Community.” By 5:00 p.m. on Monday, NYU had suspended him indefinitely

    Reported by who? Whoever it was, they should be pilloried in a public square. And NYU Director of Student Conduct Craig Jolley should be given “The Boats.”

    To return to campus in 2021, Andy will need to write a reflection paper and beg for readmission.

    IOW, submit to a struggle session and maybe they’ll consider letting him back in. Fuck these assclowns up the ass with a rusty chainsaw and then feed them feet first through a woodchipper.

    1. Someone should make it their purpose in life to ruin Craig Jolley’s life. I am sure he is breaking some law. Get him arrested and charged with one of the three felonies per day he is probably committing.

  7. This is just another example of how disjointed and disconnected from reality all these measures actually are. At first it seems logical – have a system at a university where people can report folks doing something unsafe. But when you dig into it a little bit, it just falls apart. This person isn’t acting unsafe, and the fact that they are taking online classes off site means they aren’t endangering the community.

    The same thing is happening at my daughter’s high school. They are doing a Hybrid model where they are broken into small cohorts of students. Those students then stick together during the day, not meeting with any of the rest of the school. At first blush, this is sensible- you isolate the spread of the disease and possible damage to the students. Except dig one layer deeper and you realize it is horseshit. Those kids have combined sports, and they have friends they meet with outside the cohorts, rendering this expensive, inconvenient process completely useless.

    But this is the art of politics in the modern era. Do something that looks productive, and count on no one to ask a followup question.

    1. Luckily for the Ds, they KNOW no one will ask them the follow up question. Sort of like “Okay, let’s assume the mask caught a droplet with covid inside….what happens next?”

    2. Questions? There are no questions! Do as you are told! No thinking allowed!

    3. But this is the art of politics in the modern era. Do something that looks productive, and count on no one to ask a followup question.

      This is actually the perfect crisis. A recognized pandemic, no defined end point, anything they do can be justified by “saving lives”, which gives the power-crazed bullies licensed to do “do something”.

      And when (if?) the hysteria dies down and someone looks back, the medical results of the “doing somethings” will be indistinguishable from “doing nothing”. The “relatively few” bankruptcies and ruined lives are dismissed as just collateral damage.

    4. Plus kids are at almost zero risk from COVID-19. It’s the teachers who need to take the precautions.

  8. Andy likely didn’t need NYU anyway … bullet dodged.

    1. Except he probably needs the job he was offered, which is contingent on graduation.

      1. maybe. also if Andy is capable of obtaining only one job NYU might have failed him.

        1. In case you haven’t heard, jobs aren’t that easy to get these days with real unemployment rates over 25%. If I were about to graduate and had a job offer, I’d cling to that.

          1. lol. and if you and Andy were up for the same job you’d likely be chosen. Andy chose to party and did not check for overlords.

            1. Exactly. I’m smart enough to drink alone in my garage.

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  9. Looks like since college administrators can’t pillory male students for rape and sexual harassment due to the pandemic, they have to find some other way to make sure students respect their authority.

    1. I believe you are spot on there; how else will offices of diversity and inclusion and Title XIX enforcement justify their existence, unless the staff migrates to the Office of Student Compliance with Pandemic Regulations?

      1. The offices of diversity and inclusion (combine those two words, and you have “diversion”) don’t have to justify their existence because anyone who would eliminate them would be a racist, obviously.

    2. I see this as yet another reason to separate school and state, just as we separate church and state. I doubt few have imagined how this would be handled if all higher ed were private, not government funded, educations, as even Robby doesn’t.

      It’s worth thinking about: how do private schools handle this? I’m sure Northwestern’s behavior is not standard practice for private schools, and instead, private schools strive to provide a good education at a fair price, without kicking students out for not endangering other students (or the public for that matter) and who obey the law. On the other hand, I do suspect private schoos might have in their contract (I don’t remember getting one when I went to the public university) the right to expel a student who endangers others or the school itself, though I’d expect many of them would have the courtesy to at least issue a pro-rated refund.

      1. NYU is a private school.

        1. That is dependent upon Federal cash to keep the doors open. The Feds are going to have their say in how NYU conducts itself.

    3. Yeah, my first take was “Poor ‘Andy’! He didn’t even get to rape anyone.”

      Yours is probably more tactful.

    4. That and the new Antifa/BLM push to decriminalize rape and sexual assault since so many perpetrators are found in their midst.

  10. He just learned more than he will from any classes he was taking.

    1. That’s no shit…

  11. Northeastern University learned that a first-year student had conducted a poll asking classmates whether they intended to party, despite the school’s restrictions. When more than 100 students responded in the affirmative, the pollster forwarded their names to administrators

    I’m sure that little shit weasel is the most popular kid on campus now. Fucker’s got a bright future in some HR department somewhere. Or in a government bureaucracy.

    God damn, I fucking hate people.

    1. Or the Junior Anti-sex League.

    2. Fucking Karens.

    3. Someone needs to give that kid a swirly.

      1. Someone needs to give that kid a wedgie all the easy to the top of the flagpole.

    4. She/he/xer has a bright future in the Harris/Biden administration

      1. Oh, the surveillance state has no party. Pay attention.

  12. The COVID-19 pandemic is a multifaceted disaster, casually crippling vast swaths of the U.S. economy, bringing social interaction to an unexpected and unprecedented halt, and of course, killing more than 200,000 Americans.

    The only correct part of this is the death count, and that’s only if you accept the doctored statistics which count deaths WITH covid and not just deaths FROM covid.

    Everything else is a direct result of government meddling. The lockdowns, crippled economy, the Burn Loot Murder crowd, all are caused by government, not covid.

  13. That’s what you get for going to a liberal NY school.

  14. NYU Director of Student Conduct Craig Jolley

    This guy’s name sounds awfully familiar. Has he ever graced the pages of Reason before?

    1. Not based on this search: “Craig Jolley” site:reason.com

  15. “Andy” is clearly white or Asian. Diversicrats would give a “person of color” a slap on the wrist.

    1. I have to assume he is white; like all white men they approach these issues like a rational adult. You have to approach these like a minority or female. At the first summons he should have file a title 7 or 9 complaint, does not matter the validity, which would have halted them in their tracks until the exhaustive investigation is completed. In the meantime, he should have denied the video was taken during the time period covered by these rules…to prove it they would need access to the actual video to prove time stamps etc. Thirdly he needs to find a bottom feeder contingency lawyer, who is he talking to that they are naming price, there has to be a big selection in NY. Finally, a class action lawsuit needs to be started against the University, I am sure the class action attorneys can find some reason in all this they are good at that.

      One of my favorite lines from Malcolm in the Middle is when he tells the teacher you cannot beat the system but you sure can break it.

      1. Or as BLM knows, “You can’t fight city hall, but you can burn it down”

      2. My search of Jolley found an article about an Asian male he screwed over in a she texted him for a booty call / he said it was consensual case. So I think the jury is still out on this one.

        Headline from the College Fix (Reason blocks my links but not the spammers ):
        NYU refuses to share its files in kangaroo-court lawsuit, tells student to seek gossip instead

        Highlights of Jolley’s role:
        A day after the investigators concluded their report, OSC Director Craig Jolley asked them to interview three extra witnesses, who all gave evidence contradicting Jane’s account. John’s suit argues these post-report interviews were proof of the investigators’ lack of evidence despite the prolonged period.

        Jolley nonetheless found that Jane had been incapacitated – an arbitrary decision influenced by bias, according to John, given the uniform evidence against Jane. This violated the university’s promised evidence standard of “preponderance.”

        The Aug. 22 hearing adjudicated by Jolley took place 17 months after the incident.

    2. If he were a person of color, the school probably wouldn’t have even bothered to send him a friendly reminder.

  16. DAMN! You really do have to Fight For Your Right To Party!

    1. +1 An Open Letter to NYU

    2. This comment wins the internet for today.

    3. +1 Dee Snider

      1. Your mom busted in and said, what’s that noise?
        Aw, mom you’re just jealous it’s the Beastie Boys

        1. You know Chuck, we ain’t gonna take your snark anymore. You’re so condescending and your gall is neverending. We don’t want nothing, not one thing from you. Your life is trite and jaded, boring and confiscated. If this is your best, then your best won’t do.

    4. Didn’t at least one beastie attend NYU?

  17. Who paid for the “full-tuition scholarship”? If it’s a 3rd party, Andy probably has a case. If it’s a school offer, all they’re really doing is sending him a tuition bill. They’ll admit him next semester either way, as long as he is a paying customer.

    Was anyone else suspended? This article doesn’t say. He has roommates who also attended, and surely there are many other identifiable students in the video. Don’t make this story only about Andy — unless it is, in which case, NYU is standing on incredibly thin ice.

  18. Here’s the email address for Craig Jolley, NYU director of student conduct if you’d like to express your displeasure.

    craig.jolley@nyu.edu

    1. Hire a private investigator to follow Jolley around. Maybe they can get photos of Jolley violating school policies. Get his ass fired.

    2. You can call the Covid Compliance Hot-Line. 1-800-BE-KAREN !

  19. Wait, you mean to tell me the Marxists/progressive leftists in charge of NYU are also control freaks?

    Wow, that’s a rather unsurprising combination of characteristics.

    1. “Throw BLMers in prison for being against Trump.”

      —All of you like yesterday.

      1. .00000000011/10

  20. You know, it would be a shame if that covidcompliance e-mail address (and its counterparts at other busybody institutions) got flooded with long, irrelevant videos from throwaway e-mail addresses.

    1. Porn storm spam time!

    2. Just re-route the Reason spambots.

    3. It’s not an email address; it’s a web-based form. They likely capture IP addresses, so use a VPN.

  21. It’s his own fault for not clarifying that the ‘party’ was in fact a protest fund-raiser for BLM.

    1. Or Joe Biden

      1. You mean Joe “you ain’t black if you don’t vote for me” Biden.

        1. Not every politician can live up to the standards of perfect elocution and clear-eyed wit of Donald J. Trump.

          1. God damn it has to kill you that Biden is senile and Trump isn’t.

            1. The evidence suggests the inverse of that. But you’d have to pay attention to what the politicians do and say and not what wombat-haired FOX News propagandists tell you about it.

              1. God it does, it totally kills you that Biden is senile.

                1. He wasn’t my first choice, but fortunately a majority of the citizens of this country would prefer a chunk of maggot-infested driftwood to Trump.

                  If you had some capacity for self-reflection you’d be furious at Trump for the damage he’s done to your beloved political party.

                  1. “He wasn’t my first choice, but fortunately a majority of the citizens of this country would prefer a chunk of maggot-infested driftwood to Trump.”

                    There may be enough slack-jawed, drooling lefty shits like you to vote that senile wreck into office as there was with FDR.
                    But we can hope the level of intelligence is higher now.

                    1. This isn’t going to work in the way swift boating worked, because while nobody could see Bush going AWOL on national TV, we can all see a Trump rambling like a lunatic.

                    2. Oh and you know it too! You actually have accepted that your guy is senile! Holy shit! You know you’re running a senile old man!

                    3. Maybe he is senile. Still better than Trump, who is clearly both senile and psychopathic.

                    4. HAAHHA oh my God you just admitted you’re going to vote for a senile person

                    5. It’s obvious how scared you are too because you and your clown show keep trying to get “no it’s Trump who is senile!” off the ground

                    6. I’m not here to shamelessly suck the cock of the guy I’m going to vote for like you are. The one I wanted doesn’t even have a cock.

                      It’s still the easiest election that ever had been or ever will be, even if a joe is senile. You people did that, not me.

                    7. AHAHAHAH HE KNOWS BIDEN IS SENILE and he’s voting for him anyway ahahahahaajaja

                      what a fat stupid fuck ahahajajaja

                    8. And you’re voting for Trump because why? Because he’s gonna make America great again?

                    9. aahahahaha TONY KNOWS HE IS VOTING FOR A SENILE OLD MAN

                      And Tomy is fat too!

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                  2. Oh my god you are so upset that Biden is senile!

              2. “The evidence suggests the inverse of that.”

                No, it doesn’t.

              3. Of course you would have a problem with Abe Vigoda. God, do I fucking fucking anti-Wombats.

                1. *fucking hate

          2. Telling people they “ain’t black” sounds more like racism than “elocution.”

            1. If you think you’re going to win on gaffes with Trump on TV every day making a cosmic embarrassment of himself and my beloved country, you… may be right. This country is full of idiots with no self awareness.

              1. That’s known as “projection”

              2. I’ve had four years of Trump gaffes and him grabbing them by the pussy to numb me to his toxic logorrhea.

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          3. VERY weak deflection.

            Even for you.

    2. In that case they could all be thrown in a cage for sedition, according to 80% of the libertarians here.

      1. Your straw man is woefully in need of stuffing. And that wasn’t even funny. And, yes, those pants do make you look fat.

        1. People who misuse Logic 10- vocab words should be thrown in prison or shot on spot.

          1. The basic structure of the argument consists of Person A making a claim, Person B creating a distorted version of the claim (the “straw man”), and then Person B attacking this distorted version in order to refute Person A’s original assertion.

            Oh, I used the correct vocab word. You sure are a vindictive little bitch, aren’t you, Person B?

            1. You may have missed the thread where 80% of the libertarians here were advocating throwing people in cages for sedition.

              1. Repetition of your straw man argument will not make it any less fallacious. Or, in your case, more fellatious.

  22. Just claim it’s an anti racist rooftop protest

    1. Unfortunately, someone at the party said “Neige.”

      1. “Snow” will be outlawed in French. It is not pronounced the same, but it does look the same.

  23. Three comments:

    1. Colleges can’t stop kids under the age of 21 from getting and drinking liquor. Colleges couldn’t stop kids from smoking weed when weed was illegal in every state in the country. What on Earth made them think they can stop kids from hanging out together?

    2. Two Saturdays ago I was bouncing from channel to channel while the morning news was on. ABC showed a video of about two dozen college kids at an outdoor party while the narrator wrung his hands and gnashed his teeth about the threat these kids posed for possibly spreading COVID and killing people. NBC showed a video of 100,000+ people crammed into the Mall in Washington and the Lincoln Memorial to demand Social Justice and Equality, while the narrator crowed on about the “impressive” turnout. Some protesters wore masks, many did not, none were practicing social distancing. Not a word was said about COVID, super-spreader events or killing Grandma. But it’s the college kids we have to worry about.

    3. NYU had better never solicit me for an alumni contribution again. Seriously, if Robbie would give us “Andy’s” real name, I would happily respond to a solicitation by saying, “Not one cent until ___ is reinstated.”

    1. Regarding 2 – It’s all about intentions. The people demanding social justice have the right intentions, so their actions can be ignored. College kids partying? Not so much.

  24. I think NYU is totally out of line here, but am wondering if they somehow might try to justify their action because “Andy” could have Covid and potentially spread it to students who do live on campus, especially if he wasn’t outdoors on the roof the whole time. Of course, it could happen just as easily any place else, but they probably need an example they can show Karen type parents that they are “doing something”.

    1. Seven people died as a result of a wedding in Maine, and none of them attended the wedding. So it’s no easy thing to determine responsibility.

      1. I’m sure we won’t have to look too far to find a very conscientious person who’s willing to point fingers, blame, shame, and suggest the appropriate fines and imprisonment for whoever didn’t wear a mask, no matter how hard it is to really know what’s going on. Actual facts are always the hard part, but that never stopped them before.

        1. I imagine the horror and shame of getting seven people killed because you needed your lame normie wedding reception to validate yourself is punishment enough.

          1. Marriage equality is a fundamental human right. You really need to check some details here.

            1. Throwing a party, *checks notes* not a fundamental human right.

              1. You have to fight for your right to party.

              2. free assembly isnt a human right?

                lol

              3. Right to peaceably assemble. Yes, that includes parties.

          2. Tony
            September.17.2020 at 1:26 pm
            So it’s no easy thing to determine responsibility.

            Tony
            September.17.2020 at 2:25 pm
            I imagine the horror and shame of getting seven people killed

            In just under an hour we went from ‘no easy thing’ to fully resolved. Either you’re lying or you’re being really fucking lazy about the contact tracing.

            1. You tell me who the NAP would hold responsible in this situation.

              1. That’s the faulty premise of the progressive mindset: all problems have a responsible person or group and can be managed or eradicated by choosing the villain and punishing them or regulating them appropriately.

                What if life is more complex than that?

                1. Are you fucking kidding, Tony can’t even read an article that debunks his sources he doeantsn’t do complex

                2. Liberals both take into account environmental harm and individual culpability in a way that conservatives ignore across the board. (All the better to let corporations off the hook for making me pay for their externalities.)

                  But the NAP is something else. Seven people died because of the actions of individuals. Just because the bride didn’t shoot them didn’t mean she is not responsible for their deaths. If you’re not going to apply at least that much imagination to the NAP then what’s the point? To let people off the hook for the harm they cause whenever convenient for your political interests?

                  1. You realize that, an hour ago, you were saying that determining responsibility is hard, and now you’re rejecting the NAP because… why exactly? It doesn’t blame the bride here, or point to a smoking gun?

                    So who is responsible? The bride for throwing the wedding? The guests for showing up? The social distancing set to 6 feet and not 12 feet? The people who didn’t wear masks? The people who showed up? The people who didn’t warn others what they were doing? The nursing home staff?

                    Should we blame the Chinese for wet markets?

                    The point of the NAP isn’t to answer these questions better than you are, it seems.

                  2. In that case, prosecute BLM for sedition and murder. Stand by Your “principles.” Or is that not politically expedient for you?

      2. First, I’d love to see a link to that nonsense. Second, 7 people died as a result of coming WILLFULLY in contact with other people who went to a wedding in Maine. The responsibility is solely with the people who were high risk and let themselves be in contact with others.

        I am in a high risk category, and if I catch this, it’s no one’s fault but mine. I could always stay hidden in my house and have my groceries delivered.

        It ain’t my fault when you get a cold; it ain’t my fault when you get Covid.

        1. So if you go into a gang neighborhood, you’re at fault if you get shot for not better judging the environment?

          Do you think these people wanted to die, or did they just want to attend a party?

          1. It depends: are you from out of state with an AR-15? If so, you might be asking for trouble and deserve anything that happens to you.

          2. Let’s just say I don’t go into gang neighborhoods for that reason. See how that works?

          3. I wish you would go into one of these neighborhoods – just tell them you’re a progtard – I am sure they will leaeve you alone.

            Then you can virtue signal with some real street cred!

      3. Unlike the wedding, the rooftop party he attended was compliant with New York City’s COVID-19 guidelines. He practiced social distancing while there, though others did not.

        The director of Student Conduct then suspended him for behavior threatening the health and safety of the NYU community, specifically. A student who did not live in student housing, took only online classes, and had no intention of setting foot on campus in the near future, attended an off campus event that, to reiterate, actually complied with the City’s guidelines.

        Note that NYU’s “campus” is not a discrete enclosure like Columbia’s, but instead refers to a dense cluster of buildings on ordinary city streets, roughly centered on Washington Square Park. As such, on any given day it is traversed by thousands of random individuals totally unaffiliated with the university, whose behavior is totally outside of its knowledge and beyond its authority.

        To claim, in this context, that briefly attending a compliant gathering, without even providing in his person a physical vector of transmission, endangered the health and safety of the NYU community is absurd.

        Anyone who gets on the subway takes a greater risk of contributing to the general spread of the disease.

  25. “I am not a student who will be staying at or near NYU housing, nor will I be entering Campus Grounds or NYU buildings as I am currently enrolled in all online courses,” Andy wrote in his appeal of the decision.

    The appeal was rejected.

    Oh, Andy, it’s not about COVID. It’s about the transcendant joy of exercising power over those helpless to resist you!

    1. We are the Bureaucrats. Resistance is futile.

      1. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. We call that ‘diversity’.

        1. Haha. Long time Trekkie and never made this correlation. Love it.

  26. Anyone not wearing a mask should be charged with sedition, if not shot on spot.

    Am I being a good libertarian?? Or is it only certain fascist government thugs that I get to support and still be a libertarian?

    1. You’re being a great fag.

      1. Keep up with the flattery and you might find out how true that is.

        1. God Tony you’ve been reduced to trawling a libertarian comment board for strange

          lose some weight fatty and your prospects might improve

          1. I’m only fat where it counts, daddy.

            1. Your big fat gut counts?

            2. You moobs?

              1. Fat shaming on a rightwing website. Brave. Granted, it’s not like they’re going to be able to catch you.

                1. Fatty has saddy?

                  You do don’t you fatty?

                  1. Fat people should be throw in prison for sedition or shot on sight.

                    1. Just mocked. Til they get salty. Like you are.

                      You gonna cry more ham tears fat boy?

                    2. The only thing I’m getting from this conversation is that you are definitely morbidly obese. And I don’t do fatties. Be gone, chunk.

                    3. We you’re mad and projecting cause youre super fat!

                      What happened to stupidly playing it off “only where it counts” fat boy? You got mad!

                      lololo

                    4. I have to admit, being bullied by libertarians is like extremely hot. Fifty shades of fun. I just need to make sure you’re not one of the fat ones.

                    5. I love how pissed you get being mocked for your fatness!

                    6. I think you’re pissed that you cited a source that told me I was right and you were wrong. I think it’s best for everyone that you go and take a nap.

                    7. Of course you do you’re fat and too stupid to read an article that proves your sources are still fudging upwards lolol

                2. “Fat shaming”

                  and fuck your shame shaming fat boy you ate those cheetos you pay the fucking price

                  1. Coming from someone who probably thinks Trump is as svelte as he is not senile.

                    1. Try to make sense fatty.

                    2. Tulpa, definitely not the sort of person who would deflect from his own insecurities.

                      Has TLC offered to make you an episode yet?

                    3. You have some cheeto orange shit on your face fat boy

                    4. “I have to admit, being bullied by libertarians is like extremely hot. Fifty shades of fun. I just need to make sure you’re not one of the fat ones.”

                      Poor widdle twollie wollie comes to Weason magazine just to twoll the meannie libertarians and then stomps his widdle footie wootie and cwies to hims mommy wommie when they call him mean namie names.

                    5. Do I look like I’m crying over Tulpa’s psychotic thread pollution? If I wanted comfort and validation, do you think I’d come here every day to get called a communist? Do you even ever talk to people who don’t suck Trump cock?

                    6. We can all see how upset you are fat boy!

                      Stuff a Twinkie in and take 5 while I laugh at you fatty!

                    7. “Do you even ever talk to people who don’t suck Trump cock?”

                      I’m talking to you. Are you saying you’ve sucked Trump’s cock?

                    8. “Do I look like I’m crying ”

                      Yes actually, that’s exactly what your 22 (and counting) very upset replies look like

                3. Rightwing website? Reason? LOLZ

                  It’s libertarian light, which means it’s pretty much run by libertines, not libertarians.

                  And fat shaming? You betcha. Fatties drive up my health insurance, crowd me on flights, smell bad, and are the main reason for our “excessive” COVID deaths; have you seen the obesity rates in China, Korea, and Japan as well as their COVID death rates? Those people are tiny, in shape, and generally have good diets–well, except maybe for the Chinese, who seem to eat anything that crawls or hangs from a cave ceiling.

                  1. You don’t need to convince me, but as an empiricist I’m not convinced that shaming fat people will make fewer of them. If a century of commercial advertising hasn’t done that, it probably doesn’t work.

                    1. Good point about fat shaming not working. Probably makes them have a sad and then they eat more. Maybe start with cutting off food stamps, or at least not letting the fatties buy donuts, candy bars, soda, etc. with their EBT cards.

                    2. Unfortunately, your own self interest probably nullified your opinion.

                    3. Well, they buy those foods because they are cheap on a per-calorie basis, so are we talking only food stamps for things like kale and fresh fish?

                    4. we’re talijg aboutvyou bwing too fay and stulid to understand proof that your sources are still fudging numbers

                    5. “Well, they buy those foods because they are cheap on a per-calorie basis, so are we talking only food stamps for things like kale and fresh fish?”

                      That’s not why they buy them. They buy them because their lives are miserable and these foods are used for comfort. In other words, like a drug.

                      Let’s talk about food stamps for bags of beans and rice and an assortment of fresh vegetables, all of which are cheaper in bulk and on a per-calorie basis than heavily processed, high-sugar food. That might also dissuade illegal trading of EBT cards. But it’s clear that food manufacturers would–and likely have–lobbied against this.

                    6. Ah, the refreshing taste of Reagan-era stereotypes. It almost makes you nostalgic for when they didn’t just say the quiet part out loud like they do now.

                      Libertarians for policing morality and diet choices. It’s almost like the consequences of government not sticking its nose into people’s private business are too much for you to handle.

        2. I already know how contemptible you are.

    2. The people who advocate the murder of protesters are conservatives, not libertarians.

      1. People get to self-identify as they will, I feel. From where I sit, they’re more likely to purge you from their ranks than the other way around, as absurd as that may be.

        1. Libertarians are not welcome on this forum. I’m a libertarian. You do the math.

          1. There there.

          2. Ugh. Medicated sarcasmic is so tedious. Your manic phase is occasionally funny.

    3. That is nowhere near libertarian, because how could it be? Libertarians believe that we’re all responsible for our own actions.

      Are you some kind of caricature?

    4. No.

      But you are being an exceptional troll.

      As always.

  27. What a crock of shit! What a student does off campus that does not affect anything on campus is none of the university’s business!

    How did society reach the state where schools (and businesses) can dictate what students (and employees) can do off campus (at home)? Note I put business in here, because this bullshit is starting to show up there are well. Businesses forbidding employees to smoke at home and shit like that.

    Granted, employees (and students) should not be embarrassing their employers/schools or trashing their reputation in their off hours. But a rooftop party? That’s utterly normal behavior.

    1. This is one of many reasons I do not participate in social media. I don’t need to advertise what I do in my leisure time. If you do an internet search for my name, it’s pretty much all work related stuff.

      1. Yeah, I have a friend who was blackballed from his industry for what he wrote on his Facebook page. I’m still on facebook, but I keep partisan political stuff of it. I’m also in a less “politically sensitive” industry that doesn’t care who you voted for.

        1. I dumped FB 8 years ago, when I was looking for a job, and realized the BEST that FB could do for my job search was be a zero. It could never help, and would more likely hurt, and very possibly not even from something I posted, but the actions of some “friend”.

          Fuck Mark Zuckerberg. And Sundar Pichai. Data pimps.

  28. Whether talking about cops, politicians or administrators, petty tyrants will always punish non-compliance, and will do so using the most powerful tool at their disposal. COVID rules have been intended as a very blunt weapon of punishment from day one. It doesn’t matter if you are actually sick. It doesn’t matter if you never come onto a campus. Zero tolerance from the same crowd who insists on providing a safe, open, and tolerant campus. Fuck ’em all.

    1. Covid rules are meant to stop the spread of a disease that has killed more than 200,000 Americans.

      1. “that has killed more than 200,000 Americans.”

        allegedly

        1. Rules like requiring nursing homes to take covid patients. Yeah. Those rules are meant to “stop the spread of a disease”.

      2. 200,000 dead people tested positive. Doesn’t mean that was the cause of death.

        1. Exactly. I’d like to see a future tracking of standard flu using the same methodology we’re tracking COVID.

        2. You think the problem here is that the Trump administration is being biased in favor of overcounting covid deaths?

          1. I doubt another administration would act any differently. Power grabbers grab power, and they’re all power grabbers.

            1. So Trump is actually on tape admitting to downplaying the severity of the problem for the ludicrously unconvincing reason that he doesn’t want people to panic.

              If you’re skeptical of the numbers, be skeptical in a way that makes sense based on the facts on the ground. One of those facts is that Trump actually wanted to suppress death rate reporting.

              1. Here’s another fact: the CDC counts any dead body that tests positive as a COVID death, regardless of the actual cause of death. So yeah, I’m skeptical. And to be frank I don’t give a flying fuck about what Trump says or does.

                1. But you’re skeptical because of a desperate pro-Trump talking point. If deaths are being wildly overcounted in this country alone, provide some real evidence.

                  1. The CDC stats show that only 6% of those people died with only COVID listed on the death certificate. On average, nearly three causes of death were listed, including heart attacks, cancer, and being a fat fuck.

                    1. and being a fat fuck Tony

                    2. That’s not how this works. Covid doesn’t only kill those with no comorbidities. You are letting politicians and their propagandists make you stupid. Be ashamed for yourself.

                    3. Yes covid also kills people in motorcycle accidents…lol

                      Tony you’re so stupid and fat

                    4. The CDC stats show that only 6% of those people died with only COVID listed on the death certificate. On average, nearly three causes of death were listed, including heart attacks, cancer, and being a fat fuck.

                      If a skydiver’s parachute fails and they test positive, they’re counted in the COVID stats.

                      You are letting politicians and their propagandists make you stupid. Be ashamed for yourself.

                      You first.

                    5. I quit working at shoprite and now I make $65-85 per/h. How? I’m working online! My work didn’t exactly make me happy so I decided to take a chance on something new…BOp after 4 years it was so hard to quit my day job but now I couldn’t be happier.

                      Here’s what I do…>> CashApp

                  2. The head of the CDC saying that any dead body that tests positive is counted as a COVID death is all the evidence I need. C’mon. Be rational. Just because the pro-Trump people are using it as a talking point doesn’t mean it’s wrong.

                    1. It was in an interview with the state’s CDC department head that I heard on the radio. If you don’t believe me there’s this nifty tool called Google that you can use to look it up for yourself. I’m not doing your homework for you.

                    2. So all the evidence you need that suddenly medical examiners have all forgotten how to do their jobs is evidence you can’t provide.

                    3. Medical examiners follow CDC guidelines. If the CDC says “Report every positive test for COVID as a COVID related death” then that’s what they do.

                      Just like a car accident where one of the drivers tests positive for alcohol is counted as an alcohol related crash, even if the sober driver ran a red light and creamed someone who had a couple beers.

                      You’re the one turning this into a political issue, not me.

                    4. Sen. Scott Jensen, R-Minn., a physician in Minnesota… said he thinks the overall number of COVID-19 cases have been undercounted

                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3000638001

                    5. https://www.businessinsider.com/deborah-birx-cdc-comments-coronavirus-task-force-meeting-2020-5

                      Recent research has also indicated that COVID-19 deaths have been severely undercounted, both in the US and around the world, particularly in the early stages of the pandemic.

                    6. If I were you I would relentless mock you for self-owning so thoroughly, but I’m not you.

                    7. well yeah, for ine you’re fat and for two you don’t appear to understand when someone is pointing out that your source is still ruthlessly fudging numbers upward

                      you lose again fat boy!

                    8. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blZpgra3XbU&ab_channel=MakeSchumerCryAgain

                      Deborah Birx: If Someone Dies w/ COVID-19, We Are Counting That As a COVID-19 Death

              2. “be skeptical in a way that makes sense based on the facts on the ground”

                Ok.

                Neither Trump nor anyone beholden to him in any way is responsible for collecting this data.

                Now you look even more stupid. Great job!

                1. So why did you elect him if he is utterly incapable of doing anything about the deep state?

                  Trump is such a victim of the scientists.

                  1. A minute ago you accused Trump of fudging the numbers, can you try to get your talking points straight?

                    You need a snickers fatty?

                    1. I fully believe that governments have an interest in undercounting cases. We have every reason to believe China does this, but at the same time they are opening up society, so they can’t be totally lying about it.

                      Why the Trump government would tolerate overcounting means you believe them utterly feckless at best.

                      You’re just repeating conspiracy theories to protect a politician. You are a sad psychotic worm and that’s how you will die.

                    2. Can someone please pull the cock out of Tony’s mouth and shove a snickers in there, he’s incoherent again

                    3. Stupid fat Tony is stupid and fat

                      https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3000638001

                      Fact check: Hospitals get paid more if patients listed as COVID-19, on ventilators

                      Our ruling: True

                    4. Sorry I can’t understand you with Trump’s taint in your mouth.

                    5. Ahahah you’re mad because youre fat and I mock you for it ahahahahaa

                    6. China does this, but at the same time they are opening up society, so they can’t be totally lying about it

                      Just ask ‘tank guy’. He will confirm that China does not make unflattering information disappear.

                    7. Cite. Date, June 2020

                      Why are you changing the way you identify deaths?
                      Until now, we counted all people who died that tested positive for COVID-19. This method
                      identifies people who had the virus, but fails to tell us whether COVID-19 caused their death.
                      Why did you report deaths of all people who tested positive for COVID-19?
                      Our goal from the beginning of the outbreak was to get data out in near real-time so that health
                      care providers, policy makers, and public health professionals had access to the most current
                      information. Our normal process for releasing final death data is complex, involves multiple data
                      systems, and can take up to 18 months from start to finish.

                      How are you changing the way you identify deaths caused by COVID-19?
                      At present, we count all deaths to anyone who has tested positive for COVID-19. We will change
                      the way we report COVID-19 deaths in two phases.

                    8. That accounts for seven deaths reported in one state.

                      So by extrapolation, or preferably actual evidence, how many of the 200,000 are not actual covid deaths? And are you sure they’re not offset by undercounts, which every expert believes to be happening!

                    9. Tony’s reeling! He’s fat and reeling!

                    10. “which every expert believes to be happening!

                      cite?

                    11. The joy of being me is that being proven right takes five seconds on google, but that’s what you get for being a thrall of a lame political cult.

                      https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/apr/14/candace-owens/covid-19-skeptics-say-theres-overcount-doctors-fie/

                      I do tire of having to do everyone’s homework for them, but it’s not so different from how high school was.

                    12. If they admit they were recording everyone who died and tested positive as a “COVID” death, you can guarandamn-tee it’s more than seven. What they did is take the most embarrassing cases of their lists: Suicides and homicides.

                    13. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/deborah-birx-cdc-comments-coronavirus-task-force-meeting-2020-5%3famp

                      Recent research has also indicated that COVID-19 deaths have been severely undercounted, both in the US and around the world, particularly in the early stages of the pandemic.

                    14. your article is a month older than mine Tony you fat stupid fuck, you lose!

                    15. I’m just gonna let you sit with that link and quote for a minute.

                    16. Why? I can see they’re still fudging the numbers right now BECAUSE THEY TELL US!

                      And your stupid ass believes them!

                    17. You can tell Tony knows he’s wrong/doesn’t understand when he shuts up like that.

                    18. You quoted the part about how non-CDC authorities think deaths are being severely undercounted.

                      Stay away from banana peels.

                    19. AHAHAHAH Yes you fat dumbass the being fudged part lololo

                      I debunked your source an you didn’t even understand

                      lolololol

                    20. HAAHAHA OMFG FAT TONY HAD HIS SOURCE CRUSHED AND HE IS DESPERATE LOLOLOO

                    21. Oh, all caps and lols, finally Tulpa is behaving credibly.

          2. If you consider the entire federal government to be the Trump administration, then yes. I’m not saying it is planned or intentional, but that has been the effect of various policies.

      3. That number is at least 25% high according to Dr Birx. Also I’ll remind you that in the US nearly 3 million people die each year anyway – we’ll have a better idea of the true nature of this disease once year end stats are available. The total infection rate is below 0.3% because the number of infected is at least 10x higher than tested. So your bitchy Karen attitude about “rules” is just more liberal left nonsense designed to corral and harass innocent people into accepting the coming democrat dictatorship by using the threat of disease much like RINOs and neocons used the threat of imminent war. Think on that – those same jackasses are now aligned with democrats.

        1. total fatality rate – my bad

      4. Covid rules are meant to stop the spread of a disease

        Thank you for supporting my argument. Since public health experts assured the country, correctly, that COVID couldn’t be stopped, but we could slow it down. So once that happened the rules were extended just to punish non-compliance because FYTW.

        1. Note the “party of science” are the only people who think the virus can actually be stopped forever. Because it’s been done so often and is so easy.

      5. covid rules failed.

      6. That doesn’t excuse the overreach and the lack of oversight. There’s no justification for suspending an online student for attending a party.

      7. It’s here, it ain’t going away, and depspite what the Orange buffoon says, we ain’t getting a worthwhile vaccine any time soon. Second half of 2021 at best. You don’t know shit about epidemiology or infectious disease.

        But just ignore all the people whose lives are being destroyed and other deaths around the world – are you replacing a $20 a week Reebok woorker in Malaysia’s salary out of your own money? His family hasn’t had food since March because of lockdown. If not, then STFU you virtue signalling loser.

        You’re fine sitting back letting all the “essential workers” take risks so you can shelter in place and have your shit delivered. Hypocrite.

  29. For those of you older than 35, be thankful for your past experiences untainted by social media.

    1. No kidding. I pulled the plug on social media in April after they removed op-eds by Ron Paul and after my “friends” outted themselves as COVID Nazis.

    2. I haven’t conducted any large-scale studies, but my experience with kids under 15 is that they’re similarly grateful for experiences untainted by social media. AFAICT, FB and Twitter are becoming Millennial’s “email”, the outdated and outmoded technology platforms that they try to cajole youth into using because they can’t fathom any better way to communicate.

  30. What’s the point of going to college of you can’t party?

    Seriously,

    1. Animal House was a documentary.

    2. When you are 18, at least. Older students often have other priorities.

      1. True, but non-traditional students are, what, maybe 10% of the market?

    3. dammit…

      Seriously, if learning is your motivation then today’s technology allows nearly limitless opportunity at very little cost. There’s many lucrative career opportunities that don’t require college.

      The biggest selling point for college is lifestyle/experience. They screw that up, I have a feeling that a lot of kids are just going to say, nah.

      1. I think we are finally going to see the higher education bubble burst.

        1. Higher education? Looking like education in general has gone down the crapper.

          1. Reason for optimism in the K-12 system in all this. Tuccille’s articles highlight those.

          2. Bongs.

            Putting the “higher” in higher education for decades.

        2. Yeah, could be some good come from all this. If the industry ends up reorienting and dumping massive inefficiencies,then I’d call it a win… Might be optimistic though, I’m sure there’ll be plenty of bailouts to prevent that.

    4. To gain the benefits of a higher education. It’s gone from a win-win to a win. Small price to pay to stop deaths by the millions, but it definitely must suck. Not as much as a ventilator down your throat, though.

      1. 0000000000002/10

      2. “must suck. Not as much as a ventilator down your throat, though.”

        Speaking of things down your throat, how can you type with a cock down yours?

      3. “To gain the benefits…”

        That’s my point though, those benefits are subjective to the consumer. Far as I can tell, “the college experience” is the most sought after benefit. There are alternative and cheaper means of acquiring knowledge or fulfilling careers.

        An appeal to the collective good might not be enough to overcome these schools’ shooting themselves in the foot.

        1. So college is necessary for partying, not necessary for an education.

          Can I just cut out the middle man, throw my own parties, and charge you a quarter million to attend?

          1. You can do what you want and charge what you want.

            God bless the free market.

          2. At least then you’d have an excuse for why no one showed up.

      4. Another stat that smells like shit.

        Oh yeah, because you pulled it out of your ass.

    5. >>What’s the point of going to college of you can’t party?

      I miss Auntie Mae’s

      1. Oh hell yeah. Loved that smokey death trap. Though not as good as The Lou (Aggie Lounge).

  31. “My attempt to seek some feeling of normalcy was nothing more than a snap decision and I cannot emphasize how much I have learned from this process.”

    Andy says he has learned.

    Unlike conservative-controlled schools (whose purposes focus on dogma-driven indoctrination and the teaching of nonsense), NYU and other strong liberal-libertarian schools strive to educate students. In this case, Andy indicates that NYU may have succeeded.

    Clingers seem to dislike this.

    1. At least now we know who’s foot is in the ‘boot stomping on a human face forever’ that Orwell referenced.

    2. What he learned is that you have to kiss the ass of petty tyrants.

    3. It’s posts like this that cause me to suspect that the Rev. is a parody, albeit one of low quality.

      1. Probably. If he really believed what he posts, he probably would be overjoyed if Andy committed suicide.

    4. My brother went to NYU – it’s indoctrination as much as anywhere else.

      That’s all colleges are any more.

      You just happen to agree with one brand over another.

      Hypocrisy, anyone?

    5. Could you give an example of one those conservative controlled schools you’re alluding to? I’m not sure which sort of dogmatic indoctrination you might have in mind

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  36. Our universities teach White students that they are immoral and contemptible if they don’t support the White Genocide that is being carried out by massive 3rd world immigration and forced diversity in Every and Only White countries.

    Their professors never tell them, “White self-hatred is SICK!!!“

    Those professors claim to be anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a code word for anti-White.

    1. Having a higher birth rate is very different, in the most significant ways, from genocide. That’s like telling someone of the opposite sex who won’t have sex with you that they’re killing your children. Get real.

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  38. If the student had appeared in a video of him participating in an outdoor BLM protest at the same time and in the same general location, would he have been indefinitely suspended from school? If the one and only reason for such rules is the allegedly extreme public health risk created by violators of the rule, then all events that create a similar risk should be treated the same. Don’t get me wrong. I am not suggesting that (peaceful) protests should be banned. I am suggesting that the party that this student attended should not have triggered his suspension, especially in light of his status as an online student who was able to completely refrain from being on campus at any time.

    It seems that if any action was justified on the part of the school, it could have been limited to advising the student that he was prohibited from being on campus and would be suspended if he violated that prohibition. All evidence suggests that college-age students do not need to be protected from either the virus or each other. The reason for any concern about them possibly being infected is the possibility that they may infect somebody who is in a risk group (for example, an older person or someone with a chronic illness who works for the college rather than voluntarily chooses to be there as a student). It certainly seems that no such risk was evident and that there were more limited measures that could mitigate any possibility of there being one.

    1. It seems that if any action was justified on the part of the school, it could have been limited to advising the student that he was prohibited from being on campus and would be suspended if he violated that prohibition.
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      And even that is only reasonable for two weeks after the supposed “incident”. Of course, any logical look at the facts will reveal he’s no more of a risk to the campus than anybody else who goes there.

  39. All of this collateral damage is a small price to pay to get someone who will play ball elected to the White House.

  40. It’s a little too soon to review accurate data – but how many college kids are actually getting sick with COVID-19? Positive cases don’t tell us much – I want to know how many kids are visiting emergency rooms, getting admitted to hospitals, getting seriously ill. Older staff on campus need to be more careful – the young healthy students (not the young unhealthy students) have little to fear.

    1. This is the exact opposite of what Trump said when he admitted to lying about it on tape.

      1. He admitted to not wanting to panic the American people. That’s not lying.

        That aside – it doesn’t matter. The fact is young people don’t die from this. Don’t bother pointing to the 1 in a million exception to the rule and expect anyone with a working brain cell to fall for that line.

        1. He was lying when he said that too.You’d an tell by the text that his every campaign move is 1) Intended to cause people to panic and 2) A reflection of his own cosmically pathological narcissism.

          Trump does not care if you panic, he only cares about getting re-elected. That’s why he downplayed it. That’s the only reason.

          1. If trump doesn’t care if you panic, why would he make a text for that purpose?

    2. The 26,000 cases from colleges a couple weeks ago had 0 hospitalizations.

      Now there are 26,000 more people who can’t pass along the virus. Herd immunity in action.

      Almost like we should be encouraging the high-risk to isolate while the low-risk to contract the disease, instead of allowing it to burn randomly through the population by telling everybody to stay home.

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  41. Assuming that the term “on line student” means what it reads as meaning, that the student is not physically present at the university, university administration deserves a one way trip to the woodshed.

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  43. Ohio State had narcs cruising the off campus living areas and reporting addresses of parties. Then students associated with those addresses were suspended. Students caught up in the suspensions included former tenants that no longer lived at those addresses, people that lived in the other half of a partying duplex and students who were out of town because classes hadn’t yet started. All of them guilty until proven innocent.

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  46. I am glad I did not go to NYU to get my LL.M. in Taxation. This is administration run amok. I hope Andy gets his life together. I had an older brother who was suspended in high school from a program; he committed suicide. So, I have great anger when I see stories like this.

  47. Someone needs to start tracking Craig Jolley, NYU’s Director of Student Conduct who took this action against Andy. Find him violating some policy. Get him fired. Ruin his life; drive him to the point of suicide. Make him feel the way Andy feels.

  48. How did an online student attend a real life party? If classes are online who the hell would pay a thousand bucks a month for half a closet?

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  51. Andy could always join the Army. They’d let him in under a Morals Waiver (Arlo Guthrie’s Group W).
    Bet they’d invite him to Officer Candidate School in a twinkling, too.
    Shoddy deals abound. They’re everywhere.

  52. “College student” is not defined as someone who likes to party. It’s defined as someone who is supposed to be intelligent enough to attend an institution of higher learning.
    It’s not just college students whose lives are disrupted. It’s all of us. But college and other students are unique circumstances that make them more apt to catch and transmit the virus. So they have to have unique rules to keep them from doing so. If they’re not smart enough to understand and adhere to those rules, they aren’t smart enough to be in college anyway.

    1. “But college and other students are unique circumstances that make them more apt to catch and transmit the virus.”

      Wow, you might have a point there, and might just be the awesome and wise person you apparently believe you are, had you not totally just made that shit up.

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  56. Close proximity is redundant. Department of redundancy department.

  57. That’s what you get for going to a liberal NY school.

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