Biden Denies He Will Ban Fracking

Parsing the presidential candidate's position

"I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again. I am not banning fracking," declared Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden in a speech in Pittsburgh yesterday. "No matter how many times Donald Trump lies about me."

He sounded a somewhat different note during a debate back in March. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I–Vt.) declared that he was "talking about stopping fracking as soon as we possibly can. I'm talking about telling the fossil fuel industry that they are going to stop destroying this planet—no ifs, buts, and maybes about it." Biden responded, "So am I." He also said "no new fracking" and "No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore."

After the debate that night, Biden's campaign declared that the candidate had misspoken and had actually meant to just reiterate his policy of "banning new oil and gas permitting on public lands and waters." This would obviously stop any new fracking on those lands, as well as conventional drilling on federal lands and waters. This proposal somewhat mirrors President Barack Obama's December 2016 order banning oil and gas drilling off the Atlantic and Arctic coasts as well as selected federal onshore areas.

The vast majority of U.S. oil and natural gas production takes place on private lands, and so would not be subject to Biden's proposed leasing ban. More specifically, Biden's ban would have no effect on private leasing and production in swing electoral states like Pennsylvania and Ohio.

Production on federal lands and offshore is not insignificant, though. According to a 2018 Congressional Research Service report, about 24 percent of oil and 13 percent of natural gas production occurs on federal lands and offshore.

"Biden has promised to abolish the production of American oil, coal, shale, and natural gas," claimed President Donald Trump in his nomination acceptance speech last week.

Biden's proposed drilling ban on federal lands is clearly an incremental part of his plan to reduce fossil fuel consumption, the aim being to cut the carbon dioxide emissions that contribute to man-made climate change. According to the Democratic Party platform, the U.S. "must achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions as soon as possible, and no later than 2050." Given that 2050 deadline, we shouldn't expect him to abolish the fossil fuel industry in the next four years. But neither should we expect a President Biden to be a friend to oil, natural gas, and coal companies.

Comments

[JohannesDinkle]

He meant what you thought he meant when he said it. Pennsylvania is a swing state, so now it depends on what the meaning of "is" is. It doesn't matter all that much what he says now. If elected, things will proceed without his input.

[Dang Long]

Biden has been in politics for 40+ years. He has earned the title of professional liar.

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[Mother's lament]

Biden Denies He Will Ban Fracking

Narrarator: "Meanwhile, Biden swears he'll ban fracking."

[Shitlord of the Woodchippers]

Yep, I heard Wilkow okay a montage of Biden’s statements insisting he will ban all petroleum drilling and coal mining.

If these idiots take power an d actually do that, it will be time to deal with them. Enough is enough.

[John]

Harris said she wanted to ban it and has never claimed to have misspoke. Beyond that, banning it on public lands is in Joe's own words, "a big fucking deal" which would cost the country billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs. The government owning natural resources is bad enough. It banning anyone putting those resources to productive use makes that even worse.

[Moderation4ever]

If as the article says most fracking is on private lands why would a ban on public lands would it cost us billions and tens of thousand of jobs? How many jobs are there working on mineral extraction on public lands? By the way, there are a lot of resources on top of public lands that people enjoy for recreation, boating, hiking, skiing, hunting, etc.. That is important also.

[tgrondo]

Moderation4ever....From the article...

Production on federal lands and offshore is not insignificant, though. According to a 2018 Congressional Research Service report, about 24 percent of oil and 13 percent of natural gas production occurs on federal lands and offshore.

24% of oil, 13% of nat. gas...that sounds like a lot of jobs.
And why would the extraction of resources on public land stop recreation on said land...?

[What's that smell?]

This is important to remember b/c in the end this is mo such thing as a bote for "Biden"
He'll be put out to pasture, to an Ebstein like island where he can grope and smell pre-pubesant boys and girls until full blown dementia sets in.

[Earth Skeptic]

"Both sides" is especially fun when it refers to a politician's stance on an issue.

[John]

The other thing is that I doubt the federal government even has the power to totally ban fracking. Even if it did, it would take Congress passing a law. So, Biden is claiming not to want to do something he can't do anyway while also promising to do everything he can do to stop fracking.

If you depend on fracking for your job or think it is a good thing, you would be stupid to vote for him.

[Sometimes a Great Notion]

If you depend on fracking for

Or you like your house air conditioned during a heat wave or your lights to turn on when you flip the switch. Otherwise you could just move to Somalia or California.

[Shitlord of the Woodchippers]

Too bad corpses of progressives aren’t a good firewood substitute. Then we might have a use for them.

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[Illocust]

So Biden's campaign is finally tacking towards the middle. The progressive wing is going to be pissed. If he'd done this earlier this summer they'd have time to come around to the Blue no matter who vote, but sideswiping them last minute isn't going to give them time to adjust. It also puts him on the defensive with his moderate base. He now has to convince them that all that shit he said wasn't his real position, and he's got barely any time to do it.

[John]

And he also has to explain why his VP, who doesn't hold a moderate view on anything, won't hold any sway.

[Mother's lament]

Not until after he dies, anyway...

What are the odds that he makes it to January 20, 2021?

[newshutz]

Pretty good, since he did not pick Hillary as his running mate.

But who knows how long after that.

[Longtobefree]

No, his campaign SAYS it is tacking to the middle.
Of course, this middle was recently vacated by Fidel Castro.

[Á àß äẞç ãþÇđ âÞ¢Đæ ǎB€Ðëf ảhf]

A. Democrats also like to say they will not ban guns.

B. Again, he's playing Trump's game. By denying leftist positions, he pulls the rug out from his supporters, making them wonder how different he is from Trump in actual policy positions, making them less eager to anoint him with their votes, even at the expense of making it likelier for Trump to win.

[John]

It is also a weak compromise position that will please no one. The people who hate fracking are going to be unhappy because he won't pledge to ban it. The people who support fracking won't be happy because he is going to ban it on federal lands and won't trust his promise not to try an ban it anyway.

Meanwhile, Trump gets to have a positive strong message of more fracking, more jobs, and cheaper energy. Sure, the greens really hate that, but they would never vote for him anyway.

[Square = Circle]

By denying leftist positions, he pulls the rug out from his supporters, making them wonder how different he is from Trump in actual policy positions, making them less eager to anoint him with their votes, even at the expense of making it likelier for Trump to win.

^ This. It's John Kerry 2.0. We can choose the incumbent or the guy who . . . won't say how he's different from the incumbent. His whole platform is "I'm not the literal same person." And something about masks.

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"as soon as possible, and no later than 2050"

Interesting phrasing. So by 2050, even if not possible.

[John]

If it is still not possible in 2049, magic unicorns will arrive to provide us endless renewable and green energy from their farts. It is SCIENCE!!

[Moderation4ever]

I noticing a lot of businesses and energy companies committing to net zero and earlier that 2050. So there are lots of smart people out there who think it can be without unicorns.

[Square = Circle]

So by 2050, even if not possible.

Sorta betrays the non-seriousness of the whole thing, dunnit?

And I thought we only had ten more years, anyway . . .

[Ken Shultz]

"Biden believes the Green New Deal is a crucial framework for meeting the climate challenges we face. It powerfully captures two basic truths, which are at the core of his plan: (1) the United States urgently needs to embrace greater ambition on an epic scale to meet the scope of this challenge, and (2) our environment and our economy are completely and totally connected."

----Joe Biden's Campaign Website

https://joebiden.com/climate-plan/

[John]

Pretty sorry effort on Bailey's part here. I think Biden's support for the Green New Deal warrants mentioning here.

[Gaear Grimsrud]

It's becoming increasingly obvious that Reason is on a mission to rehabilitate Biden and prepare readers for the inevitable "libertarian case". See it turns out Biden doesn't support rioters, even though his campaign has been bailing them out of jail, and he's not really gonna do all that shit he's been promising. Turns out he's harmless, milquetoast, and completely without guile. Bailey is on board with most of the other writers here which isn't surprising.

[Shitlord of the Woodchippers]

Coming soon to Reason: ‘The Libertarian.case for a Marxist dictatorship’.

[Ken Shultz]

Mr. Biden’s plan outlines specific and aggressive targets, including achieving an emissions-free power sector by 2035 and upgrading four million buildings over four years to meet the highest standards for energy efficiency.

----New York Times

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/14/us/politics/biden-climate-plan.html

We're not getting to an emissions free power sector by 2035 with fracking.

I'd say Biden is lying about his unwillingness to ban fracking, but I think he's lying about everything. At this point, he's just saying whatever he wants with the understanding that most of the news media isn't likely to call him on anything he says anyway. Meanwhile, his Green New Deal is probably more frightening than the fracking ban--because it encompasses a ban on fracking in addition to everything else. Banning fracking and getting rid of fossil fuels is more or less the same thing within the context of his Green New Deal. Why pretend otherwise?

[John]

You can't claim to want no emissions by 2035 and also not to want to ban fracking. So which claim is Biden lying about? I think given his party, he is lying about not banning fracking.

[Ken Shultz]

I'd like to think he's lying about his support for the Green New Deal, but I'm not sure it matters whether he's against banning fracking or even the Green New Deal per se. It matters whether he'll veto the legislation. It's unrealistic to assume that Biden will veto the Green New Deal or a fracking ban if the Democrats, at some point, take control of the Senate. If the Democrats pass it, he'll sign it.

If we don't want the president to make the Green New Deal or a fracking ban the law, we need to vote for President Trump and keep Biden out of the White House.

"The White House in a statement on [The Green New Deal] last month said that Trump “has vowed that America would never be socialist, and this administration will fight this central planning disaster,” and called the plan a “roadmap to destroy the American Economy.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/435263-trump-green-new-deal-is-the-most-preposterous-thing-and-easy-to-beat

I can't imagine President Biden releasing a statement like that.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Easy allow fracking then send all the natural gas to Mexico and Canada then buy electricity from other nations. Hence the US would have no greenhouse Gass emmissions

[Illocust]

...you joke, but this is exactly the sort of bullshit that would actually happen.

[Square = Circle]

I'm pretty sure that's basically how my local "green power provider" works in CA, but with NV in the place of Mexico.

CA also counts trash incineration as "green" because "renewable."

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

Yep CA and Germany learned this trick

[Sevo]

BMW moved a good bit of its aluminum casting work to China; my guess is that when they open the plant in the morning, they'd prefer the lights to go on when they flip the switch.

[Mickey Rat]

It is entirely possible that Biden has no idea what "emissions free energy" means nor has he
thought about what the implications of those buzzwords are. It is less lying than completely talking out of his nether regions. Politicians are the ultimate pointy haired bosses.

[Moonrocks]

This. Biden's contradicting his own campaign platform.

[Brian]

Biden endorses the Green New Deal, which makes him crazy.

[Moderation4ever]

Hardly. You know the world moves on, it doesn't stay static. I can just see your comment at the turn of the last century. "Why would you drill for oil out of the ground when it out there and easy to get in whales."

[Terry Anne Lieber (Don't Feed Tony)]

So when was he lying? When he said that he would ban fracking, or now when he's saying that he would NOT ban fracking?

Luckily, the answer really doesn't matter since he will never become the President of the United States.

[Ken Shultz]

To really understand progressives and the politicians they love, you need to learn how to give up on all these distracting facts and outdated concepts like truthiness.

Just feel it.

When you really feel it, you'll know it's true.

[Longtobefree]

He was lying both times, and is lying now.
Of course, what Joe says he will do, even what he would want to do, doesn't matter; "What would Kamala do?" is the real question.

[Crumbcake]

sayitaintjoe denies he's wearing pants ...

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[Apollonius]

This would be considered a good thing, because those would just be extra-late-term abortions.

[Rev. Arthur L. Kuckland]

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[Ben_]

If you like your fracking, you can keep your fracking. Period.

[Matt Buckalew]

Cmon folks if you like fracking then when I was a kid I used to get jelly donuts from Jerry’s donuts. Wait until closing and you could get two for a nickel. Jerry’s real name was Stravos something Greek so you know me do I look like a guy that supports the Green New Deal.

[Dillinger]

nice

[Apollonius]

The big advantage that Biden has in his campaigning is that he can completely reverse his earlier promises, while being completely sincere about it, because he doesn't remember ever having said anything about it in the first place.

[Fats of Fury]

It's not a lie if you can't remember it.

[Moderation4ever]

Yes, but he has not had a stroke. Oh, sorry I meant an ischemic attack. Trump doesn't care about climate change because he will be dead long before it happens and he doesn't really care once he is gone.

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[Dillinger]

I was against fracking ... before I was for it

[Longtobefree]

How is the fact that a democratic politician is lying even news?
Or worthy of comment if this is an editorial?
The truth is in the Democratic party platform.

[Lord of Strazele]

But neither should we expect a President Biden to be a friend to oil, natural gas, and coal companies

If drilling is restricted then prices could go up and oil companies would like that result. The way to "hurt" oil companies is to reduce demand for oil.

[Square = Circle]

If drilling is restricted then prices could go up and oil companies would like that result.

No. When drilling is restricted in a certain region costs for the oil companies operating in that region go up. Restricting drilling on its own does nothing to raise the market price of oil.

The way to “hurt” oil companies is to reduce demand for oil.

Or you could increase their costs.

[JesseAz]

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[Unicorn Abattoir]

"I am not banning fracking. Let me say that again. I am not banning fracking,"

"There was a time when I couldn't do any fracking. Then I got this stuff off of the internet and now I'm fracking anything I can."

[MikeP2]

Joe will say whatever he thinks at the moment, or on good days, whatevet the teleprompter is telling him to say.

He cannot speak off the cuff anymore and we have seen clearly what happens when he does. This is some bizarre shite the dnc is trying to shovel on the american publi, hoisting a senile old man to be potus.

And the only way it works is with a fully particpating media. "Enemies of the people" is one of the most appropriate things Trump has said.

[JD Daily]

He can't even deliver a speech written for him to deliver wo/making a flub. At one point in his PA prompter speech denouncing criminal acts by "Protestors" he had one of his campaign senior moments. I think the sentence was to long for him to follow the scrolling text. What came out of his mouth was incoherent. Must have lost his place and left out essential text which resulted in something like his "you know the thing" senior moment.

[ElvisIsReal]

Yep. He clearly doesn't understand what he's saying anymore, he just knows he's supposed to read it. That might work except that he ALSO can't read it without becoming lost.

[Kreel Sarloo]

Has anyone else noticed that Joe Biden is a senile geezer who has been on the wrong side of just about every issue for the last fifty years or so?

He's an upper middle class child of privilege who went to an elite private school who has gone so far as to try to create a fictitious working class background, going so far as plagiarizing the speeches of a foreign socialist politician (who actually does have a working class background) and while that derailed his 1988 presidential bid it was merely a blip in his career. And that's just one of many sins.

He got to go onto inflicting his incompetence on us for many more years after that. Thankfully in his last gig as Obama's VP he got to do very little harm.

He is so transparently phony that it is hard to believe that human beings with seemingly function brains actually think he would be a good president.

[creech]

His supporters don't think he'd be a good president. They think Harris will be.

[Kreel Sarloo]

🙂

[Jerryskids]

Wait, I thought Biden was a little black girl who got bussed to school and whose father was a mailman and whose mother was a Cherokee Indian.

[Kreel Sarloo]

All of that is about as accurate as the autobiography of Joe Biden as we have received it.

And speaking of "little black girl[s] who got bussed to school", does anyone believe that Kamala Harris' parents (one a Stanford University professor, the other a medical doctor and researcher) did not have a choice of any school anywhere for their child.

So, we have on the Democrat team two children of upper middle class privilege who have both contrived a narrative of disadvantaged childhoods.

God, who is fooled by this shit?

[Kreel Sarloo]

Also, by the way who looks at Kamala Harris on the TV and thinks "wow look at that n*****?

Am I the only one who is sick and tired of mixed race celebrities who absolutely no one thinks of as black screaming "racism" every time someone points out some error or fault?

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[Fist of Etiquette]

The vast majority of U.S. oil and natural gas production takes place on private lands, and so would not be subject to Biden's proposed leasing ban.

Proposed. He's already lied, likely multiple times, on the topic.

[Fats of Fury]

"I'm Frackin' Crazy" -Joe Biden.

[Liberty Lover]

Biden denies everything. Biden blames Trump for everything. I think that is standard Democratic strategy.

[Moderation4ever]

The differences is that Biden not the President. President Trump blames Biden for everything even though he is the President. He shows you tape of Biden America, but it filmed when its Trump's America.

[Jerry B.]

"After the debate that night, Biden's campaign declared that the candidate had misspoken..."

Any bets on how many times we'll see some version of this statement before November?

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[Liberty Lover]

Biden denies everything he has in his political ads. Nothing new for a politician, the only difference is Joe doesn't even realize he is doing that.

[CFC]

So much for energy independence. I’m so old I can remember when people thought that was a good thing. But, hey, let’s empower our enemies (Russia, Venezuela) because ... “Trump!” or something. Effin morons.