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The UAE–Israel Agreement Is a Step Toward Peaceful Relations

Palestinians still get overlooked, but the deal offers an opportunity to ease tensions.

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In any normal year, the announcement of a deal that holds out hope of advancing the cause of peace in the Middle East would dominate headlines. But in a pandemic year that also features economic chaos, civil strife, and political polarization, eased tensions between Israel and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are all too easy to overlook for a population already overwhelmed by grim domestic stories. That's too bad, because we could all use a little good news.

"US President Donald J. Trump, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, and His Highness Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan, Crown Prince of Abu Dhabi and Deputy Supreme Commander of the UAE Armed Forces, spoke Thursday and agreed to the full normalization of relations between Israel and the UAE," begins the full statement released by the participants on August 13.

As a small but important initial step, both cell and landline telephone service began formally operating between the two countries without the need for restriction-dodging workarounds. Also, Israeli news sites became accessible without recourse to virtual private networks (VPNs). Even as the two governments began communicating, it became easier for their people to do the same without concealing their contacts.

A sign that the deal is a move in the right direction comes from the displeasure directed its way by Iran's hard-line government, which "condemned the establishment of ties with the Zionist regime" by the UAE.

By and large, though, international reaction to the deal, which was brokered by U.S. President Donald Trump, has been positive. A disparate list of countries and figures from around the world expressed at least guarded optimism about the deal.

Heiko Maas, Germany's Minister of Foreign Affairs, said this "can be the starting point for positive developments in the region & give new impetus to the Middle East peace process."

"I have followed with great interest and appreciation the tripartite joint statement between the United States of America, the sisterly United Arab Emirates and Israel regarding the agreement to stop Israel's annexation of the territories," commented Abdel Fattah el-Sisi, president of Egypt, which itself made a historic peace agreement with Israel in the Camp David Accords.

"Today's joint statement…suspends Israeli annexation plans over parts of the occupied West Bank, something the Secretary-General has consistently called for," noted a spokesman for U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres. "The Secretary-General welcomes this agreement, hoping it will create an opportunity for Israeli and Palestinian leaders to re-engage in meaningful negotiations that will realize a two state-solution in line with relevant UN resolutions, international law and bilateral agreements."

As many of the reactions make clear, much of the interest in eased relations between Israel and the UAE comes from Israel's agreement to "suspend" annexations of disputed territory inhabited primarily by Palestinians. Assessments of the importance of the deal depend largely on how big a concession observers see in Israel's stand-down on the issue.

"Israel, and specifically its embattled prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has scored a huge victory," insists Bilal Y. Saab, senior fellow and director of the Defense and Security Program at the Middle East Institute. "In suspending threats to annex parts of the West Bank in return for full normalization of relations with the UAE, he has given himself room to back away from a promise that may have been popular but never realistic."

"Netanyahu can avoid the terrible mistake of annexation while claiming he got something big for it (he did!)," comments Natan Sachs of the Center for Middle East Policy, who sees more of a win-win-win. "The UAE can claim it prevented annexation from happening—from UAE Ambassador Yousef Otaiba's Hebrew-language op-ed warning of the move, to the big carrot of diplomatic normalization. Trump gets to avoid the annexation he himself sanctioned, and all the complications it could have produced, while showing a big win for two of his favorite allies."

That's not to say that everybody is a fan. Not so happy with formalized ties between Israel and the UAE are many Palestinians, who had hoped that normalized relations between Arab states and Israel would be contingent on a better deal for themselves.

"May you never be sold out by your 'friends,'" tweeted Hanan Ashrawi, a member of the Palestinian Liberation Organization executive committee, in response to the U.S.-Israel-UAE joint statement.

"The losers, as often, are the Palestinians," Sachs of the Center for Middle East Policy muses. "The impatience in the Gulf with the Palestinians now comes to full daylight. The Gulf won't wait for them any longer, asking of Israel only to avoid declarations of a major change to the status quo."

But for a world grappling with a pandemic, economic turmoil, trade wars, and political chaos, news that two traditional foes are moving toward peaceful diplomatic and trade relations has to be taken as a measure of good news. It means that somebody, somewhere, is at least trying to get along better with the neighbors, rather than pick a new and unnecessary fight.

Whether the promise of the deal will pan out is uncertain. Israel suspended—but didn't abandon—its annexation aspirations, which could mean that annexation continues to loom as a source of conflict. Trouble could come from another source that renders this agreement irrelevant; it's not like the Middle East is short on tension. A change of heart in one capital or another could send everything back to the drawing board. And let's not forget that Palestinians still feel left out.

Among those other concerns, "the UAE-Israel deal could antagonize Iran and drive Turkey, a NATO ally, further into the embrace of anti-American forces," frets Albert B. Wolf of the American University of Central Asia in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan.

For the moment, though, the agreement between the UAE and Israel seems like a reminder of a time long-gone. It's a U.S.-brokered effort to reduce tensions between nations, ease commerce and communications, and build toward peaceful relations. That's a rare bit of encouraging news in an otherwise downbeat year.

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  3. If Iran’s not happy, it must be good news for everybody else in the world.

    1. The real villains in the ME are Saudi Arabia and Israel.

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    2. Every ne0-con traitor believes the same as you

  4. Here is John, last Friday, complaining that Reason hasn’t written about this normalization agreement:

    https://reason.com/2020/08/14/georgia-gov-brian-kemp-drops-lawsuit-against-atlantas-mask-mandate/#comment-8403234

    1. They hadn’t, you passive-aggressive midwit

      1. And now they did.

        1. So perhaps John’s quite honest griping did something about the issue.
          And you could quit whining.

          1. Yes, I’m sure they saw John’s comment and held an emergency Friday afternoon meeting: “John caught us not writing about the peace deal — we need to get on that stat!”

            1. Fuck, you’re such a disingenuous piece of shit. How can you stand yourself?

              This is game changing in the Middle East and the world. It’s the biggest news this month, but the Reasonistas have deliberately ignored it for days until Tuccile finally made a post. In the mean time they posted five pieces about the fucking post office.

              Yet here you are, trying to pretend that John was wrong. You’re such dishonest garbage.

              1. He is the intern assigned to defend Reason on the comments section. It’s a thankless no pay job, but mom said he had to do something.

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              2. Not just Reason, but all of the msm ignored it, since it is a win for Trump (and Netanyahu of course). It was fascinating to see the reaction from people affected by TDS. Some of them simply stated that this ‘isn’t a big deal, there’s nothing to see here’, despite this being a historical day for the State of Israel (UAE is the third country to. Others expressed their disdain claiming that ‘well, it maybe so, but Trump has absolutely nothing to do with it’.

                And of course, we have the leftists who are seething because the deal is a step forward peace, and they don’t peace, they want to destruction of Israel along with the so called Palestinians.

    2. And I was right. They hadn’t. I am often right on here. I am usually right. Generally people only point out my mistakes. Thanks a lot of pointing out one of the many times I am right. I appreciate it.

      1. To be fair though, I am glad to see a decent and thoughtful piece, rather than some sort of hot take that doesn’t even bother to wait for the twitter narrative to arise.

        1. Palestinians still get overlooked, but the deal offers an opportunity to ease tensions.

          Whomever is writing the sub-headlines here has a magnificent habit of getting it horrifically wrong.

          Palestinians still overlooked? Really?

          How many peace deals have the Palestinians had on the table and walked away from, hoping to get a 1 state solution? Peace and sovereignty have been on the table continuously at least since Carter was president. They never wanted it. Arafat had the deal in his hand and even agreed to it, before getting back to his hotel and realizing that he would be beheaded by the militant factions before the week was out if he went through with an agreement.

          1. Palestinians still get overlooked

            Palestinians got ignored, because they have no interest in peace. Israel starts working around them and reaching peace agreements with their Arab neighbors, and Palestinians are going to have to figure out if they want to get their ass to the negotiating table before they get left behind or do they want to double down on the terrorism in order to not be ignored. My guess is on the latter. The problem with that is that the whole reason the Arab states are coming to the negotiating table is that they’re running out of money to keep funding the Palestinians to no effect. Mommy and Daddy quit sending the checks to underwrite their temper-tantrum throwing and the Palestinians are going to have to grow up and get jobs – much the same as the Portland protestors we got here.

            1. Nuck Fetenyahu.

              THey either need to give Palestine its own state, or assimilate them into Israel, which they will never do because they would never win another election. (Yeah, democracy!)

              Running an apartheid open-air prison is no solution.

              The land was stolen from the Palestinians back in 1948, so let’s stop pretending.

              1. Big chunks of Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi were stolen in much the same manner, in 1830. The people even got shuffled off to reservations.

                How far back do we need to try and wind this territorial claims clock?

                1. Well, this whole continent was stolen for that matter.

                  I’d say the Israel situation is here to stay, but acting like Israelis (not speaking of “Jews”) have some sort of right to the land, based on the edicts of the UK and USA, is just nonsense – if you were a Palestinian (and I have no use for them either), wouldn’t you be pissed off?

                  I resent the undue influence of Israel inside the Beltway. But we complain about “Russian meddling” – such hypocritical bullshit. If a nation we didn’t like was doing EXACTLY what Israel is doing. both here and to another group instead of the Palestinians, the MSM in this country would be spewing forth their propaganda non-stop.

                  1. *cough*china*cough*

                  2. It has nothing to do with the edicts of the US at all, and everything to do with the edicts issued by Moshe Dayan et al, in 1948, ’56, ’67, and ’73. The Palestinians (along with the Jordanians, Egyptians, and Syrians), should’ve fought harder.

                    It pays to be a winner. You are right about the Israeli demographic problems though. One reason they were scouring the globe looking for anyone halfway Jewish.

              2. You are an idiot. Israel doesn’t ‘need’ to do anything. Israel is not an apartheid state, in fact, it is the only free country, and the only liberal democracy within the ME. The land never belonged to the so called Palestinians, therefore, they don’t have any legitimate claim whatsoever.

          2. Precisely.

      2. It’s certainly not something that happens every day on the internet!

    3. LOL. They hadn’t written about it at that point dummy.

      1. Yet he had to make yet another knee-jerk complaint that Reason has some kind of bias against writing about it, then next a Monday — oh, gosh, they don’t.

        1. What part of him being right made you go search for the comment like a hurt little child?

        2. So, you’re annoyed that John isn’t clairvoyant?

          1. John, and several other conservative-leaning commented, have a pattern of whining about Reason not writing about this or that topic.

            This one happens to be a bonafide important story, but often it’s some conservative hobby horse issue.

            1. You might be new.

              Go back in the archives and read Reason magazine from 2008 or 1997. Pre-Obama it was pretty hard core libertarian. About the time Obama came along, a preponderance of left-libertarians moved in to Reason, possibly somewhat in response to Bush as president and his War on Terror that ended up with us at war in Iraq. There is a strong anti-war streak in libertarian circles.

              But with that influx/surplus of left-libertarians, a culture shift began. People who come to libertarian thought from the right have a tendency to be sympathetic to the ideas of their youth. So do people who come from the left.

              By the time Obama was finished, Reason had really dialed back coverage of many hard-core libertarian issues.

              Enter Trump.

              If you come to political thought from a left/democrat/liberal/progressive background, Trump’s odd form of rhetoric is a slap in the face. Remember, those coming to libertarian thought from other backgrounds tend to remain sympathetic to those thought patterns and biases. So the staff of Reason was not well positioned to understand Trump or his audience. (I did not either, for what it is worth). So they loudly opposed Trump.

              But many libertarians who come from the right were still sympathetic to the ideas and thought patterns of their youth. So they had a completely different understanding of Trump and his audience. Trump could say one simple thing, and the two groups heard completely different ideas being communicated.

              So the staff of Reason went all-in on attacking Trump.

              And right-libertarians (and the purest form of internet libertarians, the pedantic libertarians) defended Trump from the more unreasonable (and sometimes unhinged) attacks.

              Which made the Reason staff dig in and ossify their opinions. This is a well understood phenomenon of human psychology. Opinions that are not arrived at through logical means cannot be changed by logical arguments. Politics is inherently illogical. Even our higher form of political thought as libertarians is susceptible to this phenomenon. When your beliefs are under attack, you dig in and double down.

              This is what happened to the staff of reason. They doubled down again and again. And hence was born TDS, here and across the US. Trump has a unique ability to say (or tweet) things that have very subjective meanings. Things that can be easily misinterpreted and draw outrage from motivated opponents. Things that are not terribly controversial if interpreted more charitably.

              This is the source of your impression.

              Reason has abandoned several important lines of investigative reporting, devoting that space to empty-headed screeds against non-event Trump tweets.

              Radley Balko was perhaps the most important voice for criminal justice reform in the US. Most of his best work was done at Reason magazine. When he left, they didn’t replace that beat.

              Maggie McNeil was a unique voice on sex work. Other writers at reason have picked up that beat, perhaps with even more passion, but lacking the first person experience.

              Over the last 15 years, Reason has become much more homogeneous in their thought. It is much more centered on national politics than it once was, and much less ideological on a pure “Let’s write an NAP screed” level.

              These changes mean many important stories are not being told – even at the level of national politics. Obviously the biggest one is the rise of the surveillance state in the USA Patriot act era and the misuse of this state power by the Obama administration to attack political rivals.

              Freedom of speech in the west is under direct attack at levels we have not seen in a generation or two. This is a core principle of both liberalism and libertarianism, but it has not been aggressively covered in the pages of reason. Soave has been pounding the campus speech police beat, but he’s a voice in the wilderness. Those articles are indicative of a much larger battle that is taking place across all of the west to silence dissent. But because of the uniform left background of the important players at Reason, they are blind to the issues at play.

              There are dozens of major issues that play out like the free speech issue. Because of a monolithic ideological background in their pre-libertarian days, they are all blind to the same set of issues, the same way a right libertarian might be blind to issues that are more important to someone from a progressive background.

              But the point isn’t that everyone should agree with the conclusions reached by people from one background or another. The point is that there are important issues that only an outlet like Reason is ever going to cover. And Reason isn’t covering them because if a (hopefully temporary) lack of diversity in the staff.

              Fringe ideological publications like Reason are vital to the future of the USA. We turn to places like this and Mother Jones not only for an ideology, but for unique perspectives and stories that are not covered anywhere else. Mother Jones published a fantastic article about an undercover journalist going to work at a for-profit prison as a guard. They had progressive intentions in starting the project, but because they took on something like that, we have a unique perspective that doesn’t actually fit comfortably with any particular agenda.

              These outlets are becoming increasingly rare. Many of the voices here are passionate about Reason as a source of unique perspectives for the American culture. “Orange man bad” is not in any way a unique voice, obviously, and having the entire staff beating that drum instead of covering other perspectives is frustrating to those who are passionate about Reason as an important source of perspective to the American conversation.

        3. So you’re whining because John was right and his constructive criticism was effective?

          1. Are you saying you think Tuccille wrote this post because of John’s whining. That’s just silly.

            1. Interns are unpaid for good reason.

  5. Whether you like it or not, the days of the so-called “Palestinians” being able to count on the entire Sunni world using them as a cudgel against Israel are rapidly coming to an end. More and more governments over there have decided they’ve had enough of this stupid battle that has been going on for several decades now, and they’re finally acknowledging obvious reality: nobody is going to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. The Jews aren’t going anywhere. They’re there to stay, period.

    If the Palestinians are smart, they’ll recognize this and finally come to their senses too. But they have a long history of not being that shrewd. They have a lot of difficulty taking “yes” for an answer and accepting reality.

    1. The palestinians never waste the opportunity to blow it, Weigel. That has been their history for 50+ years.

    2. When the oil money flowed free things were different. Now that is a luxury no one wants to buy.

    3. BDS is the best chance of Peace in the Levant. Anyone opposed to BDS hates the people of Israel.

  6. I’d say we’ve been here before. When have the Arabs ever accepted a peace deal without their fingers crossed.

    1. Egypt, while occasionally making their pro forma complaints about the Golan Heights, have abided by their peace agreement in good faith, although things got a little hairy back several years ago when it briefly looked like the Muslim Brotherhood might take over. Thankfully their military, which wants no part of another war with Israel refused to let that happen.

      The U.A.E. will do the same, and there are going to be other countries to follow over there in the months ahead. They’ve had enough of the hostilities, they’re tired of the Palestinian intransigence, and most importantly they view Iran as a bigger personal threat.

      1. And Jordan…? Care to comment on Jordan?

        1. the free throw he made with his eyes closed was cool.

          1. Bryon Russell’s still pissed at him?

            1. That shot (and push) immortalized an otherwise good but forgettable player though

            2. Byron Russell’s still moving to his left on that head fake.

          2. LOL…nice one. What I meant was: Jordan has become increasingly hostile toward Israel and in the last 18 months, there have been several incidents where the Parliament of Jordan damn near abrogated the treaty. Jordan is no friend of Israel, despite the treaty.

            1. nobody over there is a friend of Israel. if for a couple of days some of the surrounding kingdoms want to not have war I can’t imagine it’s a bad thing

              1. Well Israel is a US nuclear armed outpost to cement our influence in the middle east.

                (Or are we their outpost? AIPAC keeps me wondering.)

        2. I’d think Jordan had their fill of Palestinians at least by 1970. They like American aid too.

          1. Black September 1972 did in the palestinians and Jordan.

            1. The expulsion was in 1970. Taking (and killing) those Israeli Olympic athletes hostage was in 1972.

      2. “Egypt, while occasionally making their pro forma complaints about the Golan Heights, have abided by their peace agreement in good faith…”

        Odd, that they would bitch about the Golan, considering it borders Syria, and is nowhere near Egypt. Arab solidarity, I guess. A big reason Egypt plays nice is that the US was (is still?) paying them a few billion USD a year in aid. Is having Bright Star every other year, that useful?

        Egypt got pretty much what they wanted in 73 and 80: the Sinai back, standing up to the Jews, both sides of the Canal, and a few oil wells too. Killed off Sadat, but oh well. It’s worked out well enough that the border between Israel and Egypt is fairly quiet, and not coincidentally, is where their all-female army units are usually stationed. Enough bribes get kicked down, and the Egypt-Gaza border is quiet too.

      3. Egypt is the 2nd largest foreign recipient of US taxpayer largess (guess who #1 is). Egypt is being bribed by the USA to not oppose Israel. They would be foolish to. The only fools are the US taxpayer.

  7. Will Barack be mailing that Nobel, or will he be delivering it in person?

    1. Trump winning a Nobel Peace Prize and Kamala Harris eventually becoming the first female US president is going to send Hillary Clinton over the edge into raving looneyland and I can’t wait to see it.

  8. Not only is the UAE – Israel deal a step towards peace, it’s an endorsement of the Trump administration’s efforts to marginalize Iran in the region.

    When the Obama administration was doing everything it could to appease Iran (and some things it couldn’t do, constitutionally), the Arab states in the region could only work covertly with Israel–and the Obama administration was all but shitting on that cooperation.

    Once Trump made it clear that Iran was the real enemy and that Israel was our ally in that struggle against Iranian hegemony in the region, and that if you didn’t want to end up like Lebanon, Syria, and Yemen, then you better get with the alliance–all sorts of public possibilities opened up that were only possible in the backrooms before.

    Is there any question but that Saudi Arabia is in the same boat Don’t be too surprised if Saudi cooperation with Israel becomes more public than it has been in the recent past, too. The Saudi regime has some of the same enemies, the same friends, and the same interests as Israel.

    Give us a little more perspective with distance, and we may come to realize that this didn’t only happen despite President Trump’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital–but partially because of it, too. When the Obama administration was unclear about who our allies were and who our friends were in the region, it was a disincentive to make nice with Israel. Strengthening our ties with Israel was in the best interests of clarifying the interests of neighboring states.

    This is how you win a Cold War.

    1. Yep. And let’s not forget that when Trump took out Somemani at the beginning of the year, Reason (like most liberal idiots) was all but proclaiming that World War III was about to start as a result.

      Not only were they completely 100% wrong, as they so often are, but it’s the exact opposite that’s happening.

      Trump wins and Welchie Boy loses. Yet again.

      1. I opposed that!

        I’m not sure I was wrong about the dangers, but I was wrong about the extent of the risk.

        1. The Suleimani hit was a huge signal, and boon, to the Gulf nations.
          Don’t know that this would’ve happened without it

    2. A perfect summary.

    3. Rump puts Israel – not America – first

  9. The fact is the Arabs are tired of the Palistinians and no longer see their cause as having any use. Ironically the rise of Iran is one of the big reasons for this. Both the Suni Arab states and Israel have a common enemy in Iran. That over time has drawn them together and caused the Arabs to stop caring about the Palistinians. That combined with the fact that the Palistinians seem to be hopeless and completely unable to accept any kind of peace with Israel.

    1. How embarrassing for the Obama administration is this peace deal?!

      Everything the Obama administration was doing in the region–from his appeasement of Iran to his undermining of Israel at every turn–wasn’t only wrong in terms of American interests but also wrong from a peace perspective.

      Obama was wrong about Iran.

      Obama was wrong about Israel.

      Obama was wrong about everything.

      “Obama’s Betrayal of Israel at the UN Must Not Stand”

      —-Bloomberg, December 27, 2016

      https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2016-12-27/obama-s-betrayal-of-israel-at-the-un-must-not-stand

      1. Ken…you assume anyone involved in that administration is capable of feeling embarrassment and shame. They’re not.

        1. They have been out in force trying to take credit for this deal. “Laying the groundwork”, as they say.

          Which, to a certain extent is true. They were such a disaster at middle east policy, emboldening Iran, destroying Libya, rewarding Israeli concessions with pressure for further concessions …. everyone understood that Kushner’s deal was their best chance at getting this thing off their plate before another round of Iranian appeasement hits the US.

      2. Which is why that particular shitty policy is not coming back even if Biden should win.

        Though no doubt The Mofo will be constantly pestering him about it from his eight million dollar Kalorama bunker.

    2. John…The other thing I would add is the economic factor. The entire arab world has seen the economic success of Israel. They want the same thing, but know they need Israel to achieve it.

      As for the palestinians, the most humane solution to implement is incentivized emigration to other countries in the region. In other words, buy them out, and send them out of Israel permanently.

      1. “As for the palestinians, the most humane solution to implement is incentivized emigration to other countries in the region. In other words, buy them out, and send them out of Israel permanently.”

        In other words, follow the original UN resolution that established Israel?

        1. No. I mean voluntary payments, made entirely by Israel, to individual palestinians in order for them to leave Israel and never return.

          1. Yeah… that doesn’t work. They purchased a good chunk of the land that Palestinians dispute from Palestinian Jordanians and Syrians. There has been a lifetime of conflict over land ownership even after that.

            They don’t want the jews there, and now that it has been multiple generations, that position is never changing on either side…. at least not without another generational shift.

            1. We can agree to disagree. Martin Sherman has written extensively about this.

      2. They want the same thing, but know they need Israel to achieve it.

        Or, if not needing Israel to achieve it, can’t attain it *and* annihilate Israel. You don’t get to be a modern wealthy country and wipe Israel off the face of the Earth any more than you get to be a modern wealthy country and have legalized slavery.

        1. The Arabs will never wipe Israel off the face of the earth, because Israel will use the nukes that they supposedly don’t have, and they are not signers of any nuclear treaty AFAIK…because they supposedly don’t have them, but everyone knows that they do.

      3. Almost 20% of Israel’s citizens are Arabs, and they have been living there peacefully for years.

        The problem is that there are already ~2 – 3 Million Palestinians living in refugee camps on the other side of the borders with Israel, and another 3 Million Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip and West Bank. For all of their “Solidarity” with such oppressed people, Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan have been willing to do Fuck all to help the refugees.

        Now we are 60 years later and many of the people who even remember “Palestine” are dying off. Remaining are their children and children’s children who have no memory of what they are waiting for. For the longest time, countries like Jordan and Syria have tried to keep those people in their camps by calling for a right-of-return. But already these people are leaving. An informal UN Census in the Jordan camps showed around 2.4 Million refugees in 2017, which is down from 3.2 Million in 2009. Where did those 800k go? I’m guessing they went away- to get on with life.

        Jordan and Syria have a lot of unrest to deal with right now. Probably the last thing they need is 2 million refugees storming into their cities. But as more and more of the countries normalize with Israel, the plausibility of a Right of Return gets lower even as the number of Palestinians who want to return gets lower.

        1. This is a good analysis.

          I’ll add to it-

          The idea of “return” is getting to be similar to “reparations” in the US. Most of those people who would be returning have never been there. Their ancestors left before they were born. Many, or possibly most of them are even grandchildren of people who lived in the occupied territories or Israel.

          I get the conceptual idea of “return” and how powerful that would be. But that’s similar to people who fled the reformation to come to America to flee religious persecution talking about “returning” to their homeland in Europe. (yes, it is not a direct parallel)

          Everyone needs to acknowledge reality if they want to resolve these issues. One reality is that keeping these refugees in camps for 50 years is inexcusable. The other is that Israel exists explicitly as a refuge for Jewish people who have faced literal attempts at genocide by state actors. Obviously a “right of return” for these millions of primarily Muslim Arabs is fundamentally incompatible with the idea of maintaining Israel as a Jewish state. So that is a non-negotiable issue for the Israelis.

          Without the acceptance and understanding of these fundamental facts, it would be extremely difficult to even begin a conversation about solving the “Palestinian issue”.

    3. Read it again.
      UAE got a suspension of settlements in exchange for their recognition. Only an imbecile concludes UAE did that because they are “tired” of the Arabs in the Levant

  10. >>how big a concession observers see in Israel’s stand-down on the issue

    pre-1947 likely falls short of true demands of “observers” … i like the peace though hope it holds.

  11. The press condemned Ronald Reagan as he won the Cold War–every step of the way.

    They’re doing the same thing to President Trump.

    This peace deal is a culmination of President Trump’s policies, and the press condemned him every step of the way.

    1. Peace doesn’t sell papers.

    2. Rump continued the ne0-con policy of re-starting the Cold War with Russia. He is moving China, Iran, and NoKo closer to War. He ordered Navy Captains to fire on Iranian ships on sight, fer Pete’s sake!
      Only an imbecile imagines someone who hires Pence, Bolton, Pompeo and Abrams is committed to Peace. Everything you know is wrong.

  12. “In any normal year, the announcement of a deal that holds out hope of advancing the cause of peace in the Middle East would dominate headlines.”

    In a normal presidency, I would agree with you.

    But we are living in the age of the DNC propaganda machine and Trump is the president.

    How do I know they would have buried this story anyway? Well, Trump did a major trade deal with Canada and Mexico. Such coverage that there was focused on downplaying it as any sort of achievement. Trump did manage to do a criminal justice reform that pushes things in the direction that groups like the ACLU, innocence project and BLM say they want it to go. Did that dominate the headlines with tons of positive coverage? No.

    Or how about record low unemployment? How was that covered?

    Or, turning from the positive to the negative, how was Russia Collusion covered? How many of those writers knew for certain that they were lying? We know that Schiff and Nunez were lying – that is now well documented.

    Which brings up the big story. Probably the biggest political story in the last 40 years. The Obama administration spied on the opposing campaign. They even set up members of the transition team for invented crimes – which has now been documented in their own handwriting. How was that covered? Did we see any front page NYT articles with 70 point font screaming “Obama Scandal!!” No, we didn’t. In fact, the NYT actually admitted to being a part of the conspiracy, with their editor explaining to the news staff that their plan to “get trump” with the Russia story had failed, but promising to find another angle to “get Trump”.

    No, it would not dominate headlines. In fact, they are tipping their hand anyway. Much of the coverage I have seen has tried to throw shade on Trump while giving credit to Obama and Biden.

    1. Boy…the historians a century from now are going to have a merry time figuring all this shit out.

      1. Heh… good point. They do say the news is the first draft of history….

    2. The MSM isn’t so much working for the DNC as they are working for TPTB. The only reason republicans stick by DJT is because of party politics – they would all rather have any other republican there.

      Look at how the democraps are all huggy with GWB – tells you all you need to know.

    3. There was nothing in the new Mexico trade agreement for fiscal conservatives. It was a Christmas list for you liberals. Christmas came early and America’s Standard of Living was reduced

  13. “In any normal year, the announcement of a deal that holds out hope of advancing the cause of peace in the Middle East would dominate headlines.”

    Not this year, because orange man bad.

  14. So basically, this pleases everyone except the Iranians, the far left, and the Palestinians, who don’t actually want a 2 state solution.

  15. This shows that Jews and Muslims can have peace without paying them billions of dollars as we did with Egypt 40 years ago. Palestinians are disappointed because they’re used to getting hundreds of millions, and this shows that’s no longer necessary. (In fact paying people for peace only instigates fights.) Soon they will be desperate enough to demand one state with freedom and equality like we enjoy in the USA. The only question is what do you call the country – Israstine?

    1. Palrealistan

    2. Israel. That is what you call it. There is no palestine.

      1. That is how Israelis think, apartheid terrorists that they are.

        1. wondered if you’d show for this. then scrolled down and watched you make a fool of yourself.

          1. Like a moth to a flame.

        2. Nazi sympathizer.

        3. By exposing Jews for what they have done, are doing, and how they think with irrefutable facts I’m making a fool of those who support them.

          Like you.

          1. Everything you say is just stupid.

            1. Maybe you don’t understand anything I say, or you disagree and are incapable of refuting it. Or you could be just another troll.

              In any case, it’s your problem.

    3. It doesn’t matter what they want. Why would it? Vae victis.

  16. Jews stole Palestine, with Allied help, by duping Americans into WW1 in exchange for the Balfour Declaration. This was considered a stab in the back by Germany who had been treating Jews better than any other European nation.

    As Germany rebuilt after the Versailles Treaty and the Great Depression the decided they weren’t going to trust Jews again so they democratically elected the Nazi party. This is when Jews globally declared war on Germany and through global boycotting intentionally forced Germany into WW2. Americans were dragged in again. Before during and after the war the Jewish population in Palestine increased dramatically.

    Then in 1947 the allied UN made resolution 181, the partition plan recognizing the promise of the Balfour Declaration. Six months later Jews declared the state of Israel, referencing the Balfour Declaration and the Middle East conflict began. All allied involvement in conflict in that region to date resulted.

    Israelis oppression of Palestinians Is coded into Israeli law. Israelis are the terrorists in the apartheid state they stole with the lives of others in WW1 and WW2.

    What do Israelis deserve?

    1. Ah, the Holocaust denying, anti-semite is back.

      There is only one answer to people like you: Am Chai Yisrael!

      1. Go fuck your self.

        1. And the iniquitous trull ‘neath whose apron strings you passed, stormfag.

        2. Nah….all I have to do is breathe, and it pisses you off. That is fine by me. The fact is, assholes like you have been trying to kill Jews like me for thousands of years now. We’re still here. We aren’t going anywhere.

          We’ll be pissing on your grave a thousand years from now while you will die unloved and unremembered. Mainly because you are a completely insignificant piece of shit.

          1. All I have to do is share the truth to expose your lies Kol Nidre boy.

            You have to deny reality.

            1. You lost. How’s that for reality, stormfag?

              1. What an odd thing to say.

                1. I can understand how that fact would confuse you, stormfag.

            2. Here is the Kol Nidre text. The holiest Jewish prayer on the holiest Jewish day.

              “All vows, obligations, oaths, and anathemas [curses]which we may vow, or swear, or pledge, or whereby we may be bound, from this Day of Atonement until the next we do repent. May they be deemed absolved, forgiven, annulled, and void, and made of no effect: they shall not bind us nor have any power over us. The vows shall not be reckoned vows; the obligations shall not be obligations; nor the oaths be oaths.”

              I take vows, oaths and pledges very seriously. Everyone in civilization must. Faithful Jews don’t. It is probably the reason they have been persecuted for thousands of years.

              They haven’t learned.

              1. And once again, noted Talmudic scholar Sturmfagg von Misek deliberately interprets the Kol Nidre incorrectly.

                1. Just look at what Jews have done and are doing.

                  “Commenter_XY
                  August.17.2020 at 2:55 pm
                  Israel. That is what you call it. There is no palestine.”

                  1. And once again, noted Talmudic scholar Sturmfagg von Misek deliberately interprets the Kol Nidre incorrectly.

    2. Now prove all of that “scientifically”, stormfag.

      1. The sad part, Unicorn, is I knew the moment I saw the article, Misek the resident Reason anti-semite, would be attracted to it like a moth to flames. People like that cannot help themselves. It never fails. I am sure his butt-buddy Reverend Artie will be along shortly to join him.

        1. It is notable that you won’t address the facts.

          1. What…that the palestinians are four-time losers in wars of aggression? That the palestinians never disappoint, in that they reject any peace offer? That I have correctly labelled you a worthless anti-semitic piece of shit?

            You mean those facts?

            Listen, don’t bother answering. You’ll look completely asinine.

            1. You haven’t addressed the facts.

          2. Meanwhile you believe that history started in 1914.

        2. Woo oh you are forgetting Rev kirkland

          1. 🙂

    3. You’re an anti-Semitic idiot and a pathological liar.

      1. No, I’m not a jew.

        Next time, address the facts.

  17. Overlooked? Palestinians refused to be at the table.

    1. Where the future of Palestinians is concerned, there is no legitimate discussion without them.

      If Israelis want to negotiate they’ll need to start by explaining why they deserved to steal Palestine in the first place.

      1. According to you, history started in 1914, right stormfag?

      2. Same reason we “deserved” to steal North America (and to a lesser extent, Central and South America) from the people living here before us.

        We had better weapons.

        1. Israelis clearly have the advantage in weapons over the people they occupy. What they lack is the resolve to use them in exterminating the locals. Simply corralling them into open air prisons for decades on end is not doing the job.

    2. They never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

      anyway looks like the Israeli people are thrilled. They are saying that they are close to the same thing with Bahrain.

      1. Echospinner…I am watching Oman….ever since the old guy died back in January (cousin took over). The new guy is also playing his cards close to the vest. He learned from his uncle.

      2. When faced with a hostile hegemon like Iran less than 100 miles away, I would expect this alliances to continue.

        1. Israel might not have a blue water navy. They have a powerful defense force built around defending themselves. But they excel at intel of all kinds. They can tell you what Rouhani had for breakfast

          The big gain is also in trade. Both have a lot to offer there.

          1. America is once again looking juicer and juicer as a target for Palestinian terrorism, or perhaps plain old attacks on US military assets in the region where the US are sitting ducks.

          2. Trade, intel and airfields minutes away from Iran. The same reason that Israel has defense agreements with Azerbaijan.

          3. Israel has purchased a number of submarines from Germany. Their blue water navy is underwater. The military strategy Israel has doesn’t need battleships and aircraft carriers. They do not need to project power so much as apply their power to pin point objectives.

            1. “Their blue water navy is underwater.”

              They mean to finally send the Gaza strip to Davy Jones locker!

              1. No, but I can easily envision a scenario where a submarine sinks ships around Kharg Island. Or sea launched ballistic missiles launched at nuclear facilities. Again, it isn’t power projection that the Israeli’s need. It is pinpoint application.

                1. “No, but I can easily envision a scenario where a submarine sinks ships around Kharg Island.”

                  Israel’s main security threat comes from the Palestinians they occupy. That’s no Kharg Island.

    3. What did you offer the Arabs in exchange for recognition of Israel that they did not have before the Nakba?

  18. There was a man named Leon Klinghoffer. He paid the ultimate price – he was shot and dumped into the ocean, his wheel chair not shot only dumped. That was the last time the Americans and Israel tried to negotiate international agreements over the heads of the Palestinians.

    1. bullshit

      1. Why would a terrorist shoot a wheelchair?

        1. That’s not the part that’s bullshit.

          1. Are you sure about that?

            1. Unless you intend to prove causation, yes.

              1. Appeasing terrorism doesn’t work that way. Plausible deniability is the order of the day.

                Plausible deniability is the ability of people, typically senior officials in a formal or informal chain of command, to deny knowledge of or responsibility for any damnable actions committed by others in an organizational hierarchy because of a lack or absence of evidence that can confirm their participation, even if they were personally involved in or at least willfully ignorant of the actions. If illegal or otherwise-disreputable and unpopular activities become public, high-ranking officials may deny any awareness of such acts to insulate themselves and shift the blame onto the agents who carried out the acts, as they are confident that their doubters will be unable to prove otherwise.

                1. Dude…get real. You telling Readership that palestinian terrorists murdered an elderly, wheelchair bound Jewish passenger of a cruise ship…because they were pissed about being left out of peace talks? Um, ok. That is a new one.

                  Now mtrueman…I don’t suppose inbred and nutured Jew hatred on the part of palestinians played any part of that. Nah.

                  1. “because they were pissed about being left out of peace talks?”

                    Palestinians were/are pissed off about a lot of things. Being left out of peace talks is just one thing. You may not appreciate how important it is to America’s adversaries that they be given a seat at the table.

                    1. Now prove causation.

                    2. They were and have always been offered at a place the peace table.

                      Let us leave Gaza Hamas out of of it. We know their answer. Rockets yesterday.

                      Abbas has never been willing to negotiate. Like Arafat he has money and power enough.

                      This has been going on for 70 years. Enough already.

                      Time to move on.

                    3. “Time to move on.”

                      Problem is the Palestinians aren’t moving on. They continue to resist Israeli occupation, and phony peace deals with corrupt Arab monarchies aren’t likely to change that.

  19. Congrats for resisting the urge to add an Orange Man Bad sentence.

  20. Clearly a pestilent virus killing thousands, protests and rioting in the streets, highest unemployment rates in 100 years, trade wars with China, vast swaths of the country languishing without power due to storms, heat waves and vulnerable infrastructure aren’t enough. We need some military disasters and poking at the Palestinian problem like this is just the ticket.

  21. “Commenter_XY
    August.17.2020 at 2:55 pm
    Israel. That is what you call it. There is no palestine.”

    Fucking lying jew.

    1. Uneducated nazi stormfag.

  22. I don’t know, this seems kind of easy. The good points about the UAE are that they have money, and they’ve acted to diversify their economy before their oil runs out. Not so redeeming features would be they’re militarily and politically weak, they haven’t exactly won in Yemen, and only 15% of the residents are actually Emirati citizens. It doesn’t take a lot of calculus to decide that maybe some extra protection is what’s needed.

    Bonus: if you’re not familiar, take a gander at tagthesponsor dot com

    1. “…militarily and politically weak?!?” WTF?!?
      You mean they aren’t as stupid as you are and don’t outspend the next 15 countries on guns?
      You mean they don’t bribe US politicians to secure their UNSC veto so they can get away with crimes against humanity like you do?

  23. Here is the Balfour Declaration, the illegitimate contract between global Jews and the British government promising a place to live in Palestine to Jews in exchange for bringing the unwitting US into WW1.

    But we all see how lying Kol Nidre jews disregard contracts.

    “Commenter_XY
    August.17.2020 at 2:55 pm
    Israel. That is what you call it. There is no palestine.”

    Foreign Office
    November 2nd, 1917
    Dear Lord Rothschild,
    I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.
    His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
    I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
    Yours sincerely,
    Arthur James Balfour

    1. The fifth paragraph of the declaration of the theft of Palestine includes,

      “…recognized in the Balfour Declaration of the 2nd November, 1917, …”

    2. A promise between global Zionists and the British government to bring the US into the war in exchange for Palestine via the Balfour declaration.

      This was clearly spelled out by the solicitor and secretary to the UK Zionist organization Samuel Landman in his published 1936 paper Great Britain, the Jews and Palestine.

      http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22380583-great-britain-the-jews-and-palestine

      1. This document is the smoking gun that proves that ALL other reasons for US entry into WW1 are bullshit.

  24. The problem lies in the acceptance or rejection of this idea by some groups in society.

  25. “A sign that the deal is a move in the right direction comes from the displeasure directed its way by Iran’s hard-line government…”

    Only ne0-con traitors assert that everything Iran approves of is bad and everything they oppose is good.

    “Today’s joint statement…suspends Israeli annexation plans…”

    Suspends, not cancels. Sounds like both sides can back out of the agreement with no consequences either way…not much of an accomplishment in reality

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